1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Yep, it's the one more dangerous, wanting to show the 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club Charlamagne the God just hilarious, envyous out. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 2: But Lauren la Rossa is in and. 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: As promised, her mama called up here and said, you 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: better have my baby up there to talk about that book. 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Bria Baki is here. 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me, and thank you 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 3: mommy for making sure. 9 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 4: That's why I said, it's mommy the manager. Mommy needs 10 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 4: to be the manager. 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: Your mama. 12 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Fine, and I mean that respect, I mean that respectfully, 13 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: beautiful woman. Okay, no disrespect. Okay, yes, yes, yes, I'm 14 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: just saying. I'm just saying. Now Rooted, Sim is your 15 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: best friend. Sim works here at the Breakfast Club. 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: How do you how to fall? You and Sim go back? 17 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 3: We went to middle school together and like from then on, 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: we've just been locked in. We thought we were both 19 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: going to be in medicine, and now she's obviously up 20 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: here doing this and I'm writing books. So it worked 21 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: out exactly as supposed to be. But yeah, we've been 22 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: locked in for years. 23 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: She's the one who gave me a copy of Rooted. Yes, 24 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: that was a while ago. How long ago? I don't even. 25 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: Remember, and she said he was pretending like you didn't 26 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: read it. I did read it, I know, but he 27 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: was playing with her, you know, because. 28 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: I'm always playing with them. 29 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: And because she didn't, she only gave it to me 30 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: wanted she It was two books she gave me, and 31 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: she kept asking me, did I read them? 32 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: Did I read them? 33 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: I read this one, yeah, because it was interested in 34 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: me because I'm from South Carolina. This happens a lot 35 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: in the low Country, and. 36 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 3: Our families land is in North Carolina. So I was 37 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: peeping that. 38 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 4: That's amazing. 39 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 5: I didn't read it, but I'm just captivated by the title. 40 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 4: What is it about? 41 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: Thank you? 42 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: Okay? So, in general, the book is about black. 43 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: Land ownership, the fact that we owned more land one 44 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: hundred years ago than we do now. And I'm sure 45 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: the people in this room and people listening to know 46 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: land is where you really build wealth, like property, real estate, 47 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: that's where it goes. So the fact that we've been 48 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 3: losing land while White America has been continuing to get 49 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: these gains means that this racial wealth gap we keep 50 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: talking about is because of this land laws. So I 51 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: started writing this book because my family has land in 52 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: North Carolina. My grandfather passed away in twenty nineteen, and 53 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: on his deathbed, he was like, don't sell the land, 54 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: because that happens a lot of times. An older black 55 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: person passes on and they'd are sure if someone in 56 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: the next generation values it enough to keep it in 57 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: the family. And so it's just really important to us, Like, no, 58 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 3: we're not letting this go anywhere. That land means everything 59 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: to us. There's no price that we will accept for it. 60 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: But what we have now is still a fraction of 61 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: what we used to have, even like my great grandfather 62 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: owned and like, I'm a sixth generation Black landowner. So 63 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 3: the first person in my family to own land was 64 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: my great great great grandfather Louis Baker. He bought land 65 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: like ten years after the Emancipation Proclamation was signed. And 66 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: so to go from that legacy to now, it's like, 67 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: how could I not value this? And unfortunately in this country, 68 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: black is kind of like they equate it with urban 69 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: so they think we only live in cities. But most 70 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: Black people live in the South, and most Black people 71 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: come from grandparents who lived in these rural areas but 72 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: were disconnected just around the time when we could have 73 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: made some money from it. So that's really what I 74 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: wanted the book to be, is like we need to 75 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 3: be champion in Black landownership, whether you're getting it on 76 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: your own, whether we fighting for reparations. But that needs 77 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: to be a conversation in our community because that's where 78 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: real equity comes from. 79 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 6: I was gonna ask you, with all that history, how 80 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 6: do you feel about like landbanks and what they do today? 81 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 4: Because there's like the pros of it. 82 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 6: I think people are inclusion and people and get the 83 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 6: land easier, but then there's conds of like people feeling 84 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 6: like the landbanks only sell and like work with different people. 85 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 6: Certain people, certain developers like you kind of get closed 86 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 6: out if youn't have a certain amount of money. 87 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 4: So how do you feel about Labanik? Yeah, I think 88 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 4: some of I love that you brought that up. 89 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: I feel like some of the landbanks are really good 90 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: and they're trying to get land in the hand of 91 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 3: black and Indigenous and like people who don't historically get 92 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 3: a chance. But in anything in this country, there's always 93 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 3: going to be people who are doing it and it's 94 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: like their way to get cheaper stuff to people who 95 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: really don't need the cheapest stuff, like they're already good. 96 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: But I do think that some people are doing it 97 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: in a really good way, where like like climate justice 98 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: conservation groups will give land to black and indigenous people 99 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: because like, you'll treat the lamb better than this company will, right, 100 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: you'll treat this lamb better than this private developer will. 101 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: But it's kind of rare to find these landbanks that 102 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: will do it in that way. But again, that's why 103 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: I'm a big champ in reparations, because landbanks could be 104 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: a form of reparations if you dictate that it has 105 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: to be going to black people and black families. 106 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 4: Who come from this history. 107 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: But if we all got to save up the money, 108 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: scrounge up the money to buy al it, I mean 109 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: it'll take forever for us to all become landowners in 110 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: that way because not everybody has the down payment money, 111 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: especially when you're talking acres that's not just a house, right, Like, 112 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: that's not just a condo. That's that's really going to 113 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: cost like ten k plus per acre that you want. 114 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 3: So if you want a lot and to have buildings 115 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: on it, it gets expensive. So I think the landbanks 116 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: are just a good way of making it more accessible 117 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: to people. They just got to make sure it's accessible 118 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: to the right people. 119 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: You know, in the book, you talk about how reparations 120 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: is a racial and economic justice policy as well as 121 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: a climate imperative. So how do you outline the bunk 122 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: common myths about the difficulty of enacting reparations? 123 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: But also too, I wonder why we got away from 124 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: wanting the. 125 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: Forty acres right exactly, because that's where reparations came from, 126 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: was right after the Civil Wars, Like we want our 127 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: forty eights and a mute, and we still talk about that. 128 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: You know, Spike Lee has the production company, but it's 129 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: almost like we talk about forty acres and a mule 130 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: or reparations as pigs flying, Like, oh, that's never going 131 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: to happen. They never going to do that for us. 132 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: It's like, why are we defeating ourselves? We have to 133 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: demand it. To me, anyone in this country who believes 134 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: that slavery should not have happened should support reparations. It 135 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: should be that simple, because how you don't believe in slavery, 136 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: but you won't actually do anything to change it for 137 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: the people who are the descendants of not having benefited 138 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: from it. So to me, it's just that's one of 139 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: the biggest myths is it's just like, oh, it'll just 140 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: never happen, and it's like they give out money like 141 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: it's nothing all the time. Ukraine got the money that 142 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: should have been our reparations. Israel got the money that 143 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: should have been our reparations, like the Pentagon. So the 144 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: money is out there, they're just not given it to us, 145 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: and we have to start demanding our fair share of it, 146 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: especially because every election cycle they're coming around begging for 147 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: our votes. 148 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 4: What are you offering in exchange? And why is reparation 149 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: such a bad word. 150 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: And then the other thing that gets to used is 151 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: black celebrities actually are used as an excuse. Oh you 152 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 3: don't need reparations. You got to Oprah, you got Michael Jordan. 153 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: Black people are already making money. The fact that you 154 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: can name them means it's not widespread enough, right, Like 155 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: if I was saying, oh, white America has money, like 156 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: I think Chris Tucker or Chris Rock, one of them 157 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: has this like stand up where he's like, yeah, in 158 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: my neighborhood, it's like me and a bunch of black 159 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: comedians and then like. 160 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 4: That crazy. 161 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: So how come we have to be superstars to live 162 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: next door to a dentist and accountant or whatever. Like, 163 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: any black person should be able to access it the 164 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: same way that white people can. And the fact that 165 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: you have to be exceptional to get your fair share 166 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: in this country is ridiculous. 167 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: I want you to speak to the land thing for 168 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: reparations a little bit more, because you know, Aaron Magrude 169 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: had created this show called Black America and it was 170 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: an all history drama that black Americans had received the 171 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: southern states of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama has reparations for 172 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: slavery and with that land they were able to shape 173 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: their freedom. And the show never came out, but it 174 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: was an idea that he had. How do you think 175 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: that would have played up? 176 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it would have been major because those states 177 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: that you're talking about had predominantly black majority like populations, 178 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: so that's where black people were. So if you actually 179 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: like think, especially at that time, agriculture was the economy. Now, 180 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: you can make your money in a lot of different ways, 181 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: but back then you needed land to be able to 182 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 3: compete in any way. So if you didn't own the land, 183 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: you was a sharecropper, like, you're not making no money 184 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: that way, you barely make an even So I really 185 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: I think if those things had happened in the timeline 186 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: when it should have, it would have been monumental because 187 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: that's where most of us was. 188 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: And there are some places where we saw that. There 189 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 4: was examples of. 190 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: Former plantations that after the Civil War had been burned 191 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: to the ground. Confederate widows were like, I can't afford 192 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: to rebuild this. I'll just sell it for pennies on 193 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: the dollar to this Black people thinking I'm getting over 194 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: on them, But we always make a dollar out of 195 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: fifteen cents. And so you had these formerly enslaved people 196 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: turning their plantations into communities that were so vibrant, and 197 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: then when they see us doing well, they're like, way, 198 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: let me get that back from you actually, And that's 199 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: what happens in places like Tulsa, Wilmington, even Atlanta. Like 200 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: you had these predominant black communities that somehow, without having 201 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: their forty ecres and the mule, were able to figure 202 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: it out. And it's like even when we pick ourselves 203 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: up by our broup straps, they still waiting to take 204 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: that like wait, you wasn't supposed to do that. Well, 205 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: I didn't expect exact black wall streets. 206 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: People don't talk about women's in North Carolina at all 207 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: at all. 208 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: They when they talk about when they have those conversations 209 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: about things that they took from us. 210 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it needs to be talked about because actually, 211 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: and this is like something I talk about in the book, 212 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: there is like on paper. 213 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 4: Proof of this. 214 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: The folks in Tulsa went to the people in women 215 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: to because the Wilmington massacre happened in eighteen ninety eight 216 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: and Tulsa massa happened in nineteen twenty one. They literally 217 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 3: were like, teach us how you did that and learned it. 218 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: They did that too in Atlanta in nineteen oh six. 219 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: There was a massacre in Atlanta where they were like, hey, 220 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: black people are getting into positions of power here. We 221 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: got black politicians, black entrepreneurs, this is crazy. Oh, but 222 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: in Wilmington, they just figured out how to how to 223 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 3: get them out teach us. And so it was like 224 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: they were it was like a think tank for how 225 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: to be a white supremacist, Like, okay, teach us how 226 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 3: to get black. 227 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: People out of here. 228 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: And Tulsa became this like big example of it, and 229 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 3: it deserves to be because you still have survivors who 230 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: are going into court at like one hundred and five, 231 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 3: one hundred and six years old, trying to get there. 232 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: Just do We're not even just talking about descendants, right right, and. 233 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: They and they got museums. 234 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: And if you go through Tulsa in the in the 235 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: in the sidewalks, it'll tell you there used to be 236 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: a barber shop here and it was burned down in 237 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: nineteen twenty one. It used to be a dry cleaners here, 238 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: it was burned down in nineteen twenty So you know 239 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: exactly which businesses worth where. Why are you not giving 240 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: reparations to those direct like these were people who were 241 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: kids running for their lives when it was happening. But yeah, 242 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: Wilmington was definitely the blueprint. And I think people ignore 243 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: that because they don't want to be accountable, especially in 244 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: like the Carolinas. They don't want to be accountable to 245 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: the fact that, like, we did that here, and what 246 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: would it mean to have to give it back? What 247 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: would it mean to have to say sorry, I. 248 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: Read, I read, I read your book and I hear 249 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: you talking. You're so passionate about this, Like where did 250 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: that passion come from? Like it's one thing to know 251 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: about something, but to be passionate about it and wanted 252 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: to be your life's working. 253 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 4: A way, and you're like a historian too. I appreciate 254 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: you and. 255 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 5: I want to know how She like, yeah, well, I 256 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 5: will say, like I've always been very studious, so I 257 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 5: think I do have that memory for stuff like that. 258 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: But my mom used to joke like, oh, we sent 259 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 3: you to Yale to be a doctor, you came back 260 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: a black panther. 261 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 4: But it was it was horrible. I did not like it. 262 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think so growing up where Samantha 263 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: and I grew up in Long Island, but we're in 264 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 3: this like black and brown bubble. Everybody's kind of on 265 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: the same footing, Like I'm the lightest person in the 266 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: room in Long in that part of Long Island that 267 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: I'm in, going from that to Yale where I was, Like, 268 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: I remember growing up and thinking because by the time 269 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: I was conscious of it, I got a black president. 270 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 4: Obama became president when I was in. 271 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: Middle school, and so I'm thinking, like minority, that's an 272 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: out dirty term. I'm not a minority, like all I 273 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: see when I look around is black people. And then 274 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: I got to Yale and I said, oh, this is 275 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: where y'all were, Like there is this white majority and 276 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: the amount of wealth, Like you can't even wrap your 277 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: mind around how much money some. 278 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 4: Of these people have. The institution. 279 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: When I was at Yale, they had a twenty billion 280 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: dollar endowment, which is their investment portfolio sitting in a 281 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: bank account somewhere making money. 282 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 4: Now, eight years. 283 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: After I graduated, that is a forty five billion dollar endowment. Like, 284 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: it's so much money there, but you still try so anyway, 285 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: it was a very like radicalizing experience when you realize 286 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: there's people with enough money to completely change the lives 287 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: of people you grew up with, but they would never 288 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: open up their bank accounts to do it because their 289 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: job is to just keep collecting, collecting, collecting, and never 290 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 3: make it in service of anybody. So I would say 291 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: that was a big moment for me. And also, I'm 292 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: going to college at Yale when the Black Lives Matter 293 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: movement is popping off, when Occupy Wall Street is popping off, 294 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: So there's just a lot of conversations. Bernie Sanders is 295 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 3: talking about this top one percent, and it just has 296 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: you really thinking like I'm going to school with them though, 297 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 3: like that they're here and what. 298 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 4: Do I want to do? 299 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: So yeah, I just remember thinking I cannot sit in 300 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: nobody's lab for the next ten. 301 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 4: Years while we're getting being killed in the streets. 302 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: And then as I got older, because my grandparents are 303 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: from North Carolina, I felt like to me, activism was 304 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: the Black Panthers, was Angela Davis, was being in a 305 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: city with the bullhorn. But I had to realize growing 306 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: up that I had been kind of like downplaying the 307 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: activism of the South, that there are people who their 308 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 3: activism was buying land, holding onto it, employing people, giving. 309 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: People a job, feeding themselves. 310 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 3: Even now during the pandemic was the first time a 311 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: lot of people realize how dependent they are on somebody 312 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 3: else to eat. If the grocery store shelves are empty, 313 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 3: what are you going to do for your family? You 314 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 3: don't know how to grow nothing. 315 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: That's what all the activism was. That's what the civil 316 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: rights you know, the movement was in the. 317 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: South, right, it was all on the South, but it 318 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: was in southern cities though it was in Selma's, in 319 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: Birmingham's and Atlanta's but black people were as far as 320 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: like working class black people were in the Moonies, like 321 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: where my family is is still very rule. 322 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 4: When we were kids going there, they didn't have no WiFi, 323 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 4: and I was like, I want to go home. I 324 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 4: don't want to be here. 325 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 3: But you grow to appreciate it when you're like, but 326 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: they're breathing fresh air, they're drinking clean water, and it 327 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: just sounds so theoretical to an extent until eggs is 328 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: the price of eggs is going up, until they doing 329 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: recalls on chicken, and then all of a sudden people 330 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: want to talk about where's the farmers at? And then 331 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: you realize, like, oh, they've been fighting by themselves for 332 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: a really long time. So I really have to credit 333 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: my grandparents because it was after my grandfather died that 334 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I wish i'd asked you more 335 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 3: questions while you were alive. And my grandmother was like, 336 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: I'm here, and I just sat there, asked her question 337 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: after question after questions. She's my research partner for the book. 338 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: She would take me around. You got to talk to 339 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 3: Uncle Ed and we gonna ask him these questions because 340 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 3: he remembers this better than me. And then I would 341 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: corroborate it by going into these different places to like, okay, 342 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: but where on paper can I find that that really happened? 343 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: And there are records out there, So I would say 344 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: to anyone who's thinking, like that's so cool that she 345 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: did that, talk to your elders, talk to your grandparents, 346 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 3: your great aunts and uncles like they're still if they're 347 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: still alive, talk to them. There's stuff that they've survived 348 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: and if through and things that they're probably like, yeah, 349 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: that got taken from us too. 350 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: That's our story too. 351 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: And with this reparations woman going, the more proof you 352 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: have of that, the more you can actually try and 353 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: get your land back. There are black families getting their 354 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 3: land back, and like it's happening in little pieces here 355 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: and there, but we can be that movement that brings 356 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: it together. 357 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 5: And to your point, like you said, you know, you 358 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 5: don't even know. It takes like a pandemic or something 359 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 5: to happen where you'll be like, damn, like I don't 360 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 5: know how to I'm I can't go to the market. 361 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 5: How am I going to feed? And you know, how 362 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 5: am I going to buy food? And everything like that. 363 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 5: And it wasn't until I met my fiance. He was 364 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 5: told I used to cray jokes on all the time. 365 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 5: He was talking about farming. You know, we got this land, 366 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 5: let's grow this on. I'm like, grow, but he do 367 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 5: all of that. 368 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, that's why you got to bring that up. 369 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 5: Yes, but he is, yes, but well but yes, he's 370 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 5: still he's saying that, like, YO, got all this land, 371 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 5: less less, less, grow everything, what are we gonna do? 372 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 4: And I'm like, dang, you's not like the movie. 373 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 5: Let's not leave the world, but it's the real it's 374 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 5: rain and you have to. 375 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: You have to do that, and if you wait until 376 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: you need it, it's too late. You have to learn 377 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: the skill before you need it. And I'm actually glad 378 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: that you did bring it up because I will say, 379 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: like black people, historically, we are the ones who were 380 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: forced to work this land. So the fact that we're 381 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: so far removed from what it means to work this 382 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: land is like systematic. It's intentional because when we were 383 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: working the land, we were doing it forcibly, with no pain. 384 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: The moment we could start making money for it is 385 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: like actually we we could find somebody else to do. 386 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: It's like wait a second, now, we don't know how 387 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: to do it. But I really think that like Mexican Americans, 388 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: Chicanos in California, like they're they're in a similar boat. 389 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: They're the ones picking strawberries out in California with the 390 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: will fires. It's crazy, well what you want to call it, 391 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: in the same situation where it's like they want us 392 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: to work the land when they can profit off of it. 393 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: And then the moment that we start to be entrepreneurial 394 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: and get our own arms off the ground, all of 395 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: a sudden, it's like, actually, I got a machine that 396 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: can do that. Actually I got some like I could 397 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: take advantage of an immigrant community and they can do 398 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: it because I don't want to pay you your fair share. 399 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: So we got to be able to own our own 400 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: land to decide what actually happens on it. 401 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 4: How do you go ahead? 402 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 6: How do you feel like what's happening right now with 403 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 6: Trump and like DEI and the mass deportation, Like do 404 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 6: you feel like that's going to remove us as black 405 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 6: people or just people of color from things or do 406 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 6: you feel like it's going to make us trying to 407 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 6: figure out the roots and the land like all that more, 408 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 6: Like what do you think is of O do you predict? 409 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: Honestly, I feel like it's gonna be a little bit 410 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: of both. He's definitely eliminating our ability to do this 411 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: through the federal government, Like people who are working for 412 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: the USDA trying to make change in this agency that 413 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 3: has historically discriminated against us are now not being able 414 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: to do that work. Anything that's in the guise of 415 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: equity or justice for us is oh, we don't need 416 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: that program actually anymore. 417 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 5: So. 418 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: I think though, that that's going to make us turn 419 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: and do other things to bring back the Black panthers. 420 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: They were the main ones saying, listen, they're not feeding 421 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: our people. We gonna feed our people. They're not educating us, 422 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: we'll educate us. They're not providing us healthcare. We gonna 423 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: open the clinic. And I think sometimes it's not like. 424 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 4: You're wishing for the situation. 425 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: We don't want a Trump administration, but sometimes it's like 426 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: the juxtaposition, the contrast of him, that orange man in 427 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 3: the office doing this makes us more creative and innovatively 428 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: say I'm not gonna wait around because I don't got 429 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: four years. We don't got four years to wait, And 430 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 3: we see in this literally in our family group chat, 431 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: They're like, I'm only shopping and breeze backyard from now 432 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: on until they get this land thing together. But it's 433 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: like for real, though, Like what if we were all 434 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: growing something and we could just afford to say, let's 435 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 3: share what we're growing. You growing potatoes and tomatoes and cumbers, 436 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 3: so I'm gonna come to you for that. I got 437 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: the chicken, so we provide the eggs. So and so 438 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: got this so they can provide. Like what if that 439 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: was the thing, or for those who don't live in 440 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 3: a place where they have the land to do it, 441 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 3: if you find the black farmers because in New York State, 442 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: we're downstate, but there's. 443 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: So many farms upstate. 444 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, like what does it mean to find the black 445 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 3: farmers upstate and shop from them because they're still growing, 446 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 3: they still got their land. So I think it's gonna 447 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 3: make us remember that we can be autonomous, we can 448 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 3: be doing things for ourselves. And a lot of those 449 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: programs at the Black Panthers started, the federal government was. 450 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 4: Like, oh, we're gonna do that too. Y'all doing a 451 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 4: free breakfast program. 452 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: We're gonna do that, y'all doing educating your young people 453 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 3: will do a head start, Like the government learns that 454 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 3: what black people do will benefit everybody, and so they 455 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 3: will pick it up later. 456 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: But we can't wait around for them. 457 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: So I want us to learn that what we do 458 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: will benefit us. You know, when you talk about the 459 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: black pants is you got to talk about the Nation 460 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: of Islam. You gotta talk about Marcus Goarvey movement. They've 461 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: been teaching us to do for self whatever. Yeah, that 462 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: should have never not been our model. 463 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 3: But I mean talk about the moment that we're in now. 464 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: Marcus Garvey's movement was killed because they deported him. He 465 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 3: was Jamaican and they said, let's find him in anything 466 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 3: we can catch him in. They got him on mail 467 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: fraud or something like that, something like what harm is 468 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 3: he doing? 469 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 4: But we're seeing that now. 470 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 3: It's like in the name of we're deporting criminals. No, 471 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: you're deporting people who are working, who are keeping food 472 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: on our table. And so we have to be really 473 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: vigilant too, Like we got to build stuff out and 474 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: we got to defend the programs are building and make 475 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: sure that it can't be dismantled so easily. 476 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 4: And sometimes I feel like social. 477 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 3: Media makes it very easy for us to bite away 478 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: our own Like you see black people building a movement, 479 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: and there's more critique in the common section than offers 480 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 3: of help, and we got to be willing to actually 481 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 3: from us too, you know, Like I saw that would 482 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: blms more people. 483 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 4: I'm mad at the end. I'm like, wait, but what 484 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 4: if we like we can do more together? Yeah, we 485 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 4: do more together. 486 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about Yale, right, because were 487 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: you always a political science major or was everything that 488 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: was going on in the world at the time did 489 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: that make you? 490 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: That made me political science? 491 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 3: I actually entered yellow physics major and pre med and 492 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 3: then I switched sophomore year and like never looked back 493 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: and was political science. 494 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 495 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 3: It's just like I mean, especially at Yale, like you 496 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: see now a lot of the people doing this stuff 497 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: Jade Vance Yale grad Like, so I'm looking around, like 498 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: which one of y'all is going to be I'm protesting 499 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: one day, like because I know it's gonna be one 500 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 3: of y'all, but like that's where it is. So it's like, 501 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: in essence, it's like my job as a Yell alum 502 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: is to be a traitor to what the other alum 503 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 3: is about to do and to resist them full force 504 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: because they're built. These institutions are built to consolidate power, 505 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: and they only want people who are going to keep 506 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: power in the same places. And I'm really all about like, No, 507 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 3: I want the power, the information that I've gotten from Yale. 508 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: I want to siphon it away and bring it to us, 509 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: like for more of. 510 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 4: Us to know this. And I love that through the book, like. 511 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: People will say, oh, yeah, like my grandparents did have 512 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: this land, or maybe I don't come from a family 513 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: that had land in this country, but I want to. 514 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: I want to be the generation that starts that. And 515 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: what's the path to it? Oh, I got to put 516 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: my land in a trust so that it doesn't ever 517 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: get taken after I pass away. 518 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 4: Like that. 519 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: It takes information to get there, and we got to 520 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: get into those rooms and bring the information back out 521 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 3: with us and not get stuck in the room thinking 522 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: I'll be the only one in there. Like No, it 523 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: probably would have been easier to graduate Yale and try 524 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: and just be a doctor who did it on her 525 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: own and whatever the case may be. But and not 526 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 3: to shape I mean, we also need black doctors. 527 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 4: We need all of that. 528 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also was just like, we need people 529 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: to like speak truth to power, and I wanted. 530 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 4: To be one of those people. 531 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: I just got two more questions because you know, just 532 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: she got to prove Around ten forty five in the book, 533 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: you talk about returning equity to dispossess people can heal 534 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: both the land and our nation soul. What are some 535 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: things we can do to make that happen? And why 536 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: do you feel that way? 537 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 538 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: So I feel that way because America is obsessed with 539 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: getting up. We want to be postracial. We want to 540 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 3: be post racial. You cannot do that without addressing the problem. 541 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 3: And one thing that I've noticed is like, I think 542 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people in America who don't understand 543 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: black anger. And to me, it's like, but if you 544 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 3: address the issue, I might have nothing to be angry about. 545 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 3: But when I was in Detroit for the book tour, 546 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: I was talking about this and eminent domain especially, and 547 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 3: there was an older black woman in the audience who 548 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: was like, Yeah, when I was a kid in the sixties, 549 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: they came through our middle class community and took the 550 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: whole community. It was like a hundred families. There so 551 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 3: many black owned businesses took the whole community through eminent domain, 552 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: didn't build anything in. 553 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 4: Its place for fifty years. It was just vacant. And 554 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: what that does to a person? 555 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: She said, her uncle owned three properties in that neighborhood, 556 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: and she was like, what it did to my uncle. 557 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: When you spend your whole life savings building this out 558 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 3: and watch the government take it? Why would that make 559 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 3: me want to be an upstanding citizen? How can I 560 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: go from that and want to be like I can't 561 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: even be around it, Like it would make my skin 562 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: crawl to be around people thinking like you did this 563 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: to me and like it, you know, and as a 564 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: man as a provider, thinking like wow, like I did 565 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: everything the way they told me I'm supposed to do, 566 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 3: and they still took it, and they said it's one 567 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 3: hundred percent legal, and there's nothing I can do about 568 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 3: it that will make you angry for a lifetime. So 569 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 3: if y'all tired of black people being angry, do the 570 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: thing to make its not angry. 571 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 4: I promise you. 572 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: If they started giving out reparations, legalizem like there's I 573 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: ain't got nothing to I'm. 574 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 4: Gonna be on my land doing my own thing. 575 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: I don't got no beef, go and do what you 576 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: gotta do and like, but if you don't address the problem, 577 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: it's always going to be there. 578 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: So how we get there? There are only I believe 579 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 4: New York. 580 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: State is the third state to have established a commission 581 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 3: and a task force for actually exploring what reparations would 582 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: look like. California already already has one, Illinois has one. 583 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 3: There's some cities, like there's a city in North Carolina 584 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: that is also building it out. But it's very locally 585 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: happening right now, and we have to support those things. 586 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: So for those who are in New York, you can 587 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: support that and why the number four reparations dot org 588 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: New York for Reparations dot org, and you can learn 589 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: more about how to support that movement, because I think 590 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: we have to. We have to stop acting as if 591 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: it's never gonna happen, and we have to make it happen. 592 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: There's a global movement right now for reparations. It's not 593 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: just us in America. You got African nations saying I 594 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 3: want my stuff back and I don't want to be 595 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 3: a part of the Commonwealth no more. You got places 596 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: in the Caribbean saying yeah, actually, I don't acknowledge the 597 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 3: British crown no more, and we want to be there's 598 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 3: this movement happening. Give us our stuff back from the Museians, 599 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: give us our art back, give us our jewels back. 600 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: We got to get our wealth back too, and we 601 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 3: can't wait for I hope it happens. No, we got 602 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 3: to work for it to happen, and in the meantime 603 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 3: be doing everything you can to get you a little 604 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: piece of land. 605 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 4: So that's really where I'm at. 606 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 3: I think there's also another organization, where is my land 607 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: dot org. They had a successful campaign. If people are 608 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: familiar with the Bruce's Beach in California, oh yeah, yeah, So 609 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 3: there was like a the Bruce family had built a 610 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: hotel and a resort on the beachfront in it in 611 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 3: like the thirties, and their land was taken through eminent domain. 612 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: The city did absolutely nothing with it, and in twenty twenty, 613 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: a brilliant organizer named Kavan Ward was like, I'm tired 614 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: of Californians acting like they're better than the rest of 615 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 3: the country, and y'all have racism right in your backyard 616 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: and until y'all give this black family their land back, 617 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: like you have no moral authority to be telling nobody 618 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 3: else from anywhere else anything. And that family got their 619 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: land back, twenty million dollars worth of land back, so like, 620 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: it is possible, but we have to support it. So 621 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 3: I would say some of the easiest ways are eminent 622 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: domain reversals because you don't need a President Trump to 623 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: sign off on nothing. All she had to do was 624 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 3: go to Los Angeles County and say, hey, this happened 625 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 3: in this county. Y'all signed off on that. Now y'all 626 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: can sign off to give it back. They have dozens 627 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 3: of campaigns going around, so you can sign their petitions, 628 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: you can donate to support them. There's a lot of 629 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: people trying to do this work and they're kind of 630 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: doing it by themselves or they're building these coalitions and 631 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: they don't have a lot of visibility. 632 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 4: So for people who are. 633 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: Saying, wow, I've never even heard of this stuff, like, yeah, 634 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 3: just look it up New York for reparations, see what 635 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 3: the California Task Force is doing. And if you're listening 636 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 3: from another state and they don't have that, y'all should 637 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: and you don't have to. It's not like you're starting 638 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: it from scratch. The blueprint is already elsewhere. Say, how 639 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 3: did New York do it? Can we learn from them? 640 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: How did California do it? Can we learn from them? 641 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: And how can we start getting landbad for you? 642 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: Have you been paying attention to what's going on in 643 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: places like Chicago? Like you know, we had a ma 644 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: homegirl zo up here and she's been talking about how 645 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: the Chicago Housing Authority has stolen so much land, including 646 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: her mother's property. 647 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: Have you paid attention to that. 648 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: I didn't specifically hear about her campaign, but I have 649 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: heard about this happening in Chicago because yeah, in urban 650 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 3: community just happens too, whether it's through eminent domain or 651 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 3: they'll take a blighted property. 652 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 4: But it's a difference. 653 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: If a home own it is abandoned, the land under 654 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: it should still belong to whoever owned that. They should 655 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 3: never be taking the land from someone, even if they say, hey, 656 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 3: we got to tear down this house and build something up, 657 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 3: better cool, do that on my land for me, right, 658 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: like if you shouldn't be taking my land. And also 659 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 3: in Chicago, I think they were doing pretty good work 660 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: about the fact that homeowners, like if a black homeowner 661 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 3: is saying, oh, I'm trying to sell my house, how 662 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: much is it worth? Their houses are being appraised for 663 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 3: like six figures less than what a white family is. 664 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: Like if you took down all the pictures of your 665 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,239 Speaker 3: black family your house and then try to sell it, 666 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: they would value it more. So they are people trying 667 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 3: to shift that policy, shift tax codes. 668 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 4: Why are we paying more taxes in. 669 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 3: Communities that have worse schools, worse roads, no infrastructure. So 670 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people trying to attack us from 671 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 3: different areas. And I think it's all important, Like not 672 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: everybody needs to move to a farm and grow something, 673 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 3: but everybody deserves a piece of land with at least 674 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: the backyard in the back there's enough to go around. 675 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: If Bill Gates didn't have all of it, could we 676 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 3: could all afford to have a nice piece of something. 677 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: And this scarcity mindset they try to teach us is 678 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: we have to push back against like this idea that 679 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 3: even sometimes what I see is they try to pit 680 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 3: our groups together against one another, where when I start 681 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: talking about reparations, someone's like, well, actually it's all indigenous land. 682 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 4: Well there's enough. 683 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: For us all to have some Indigenous folks should have 684 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: their land back too. Black people should have some land, Latinos, 685 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: whether they are coming as workers on, Like, there's enough 686 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: for all of us to have something. And in this 687 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: richest country in the world, why are we accepting, Oh, 688 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: there's not enough to go around. I just don't believe that. 689 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: I don't believe that, and I'm not going to ever 690 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 3: believe that. And so, actually, to the point of New 691 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 3: Yorker's for reparations, there's a collective. I'm a part of 692 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 3: Bliss Black liberation, Indigenous sovereignty, and we're trying to be 693 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 3: in solidarity with one another and say, hey, they can. 694 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 4: Never pit me against you. 695 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: I want you to have land too, and I want 696 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: me to have lant to and both of our answers acknowledge, 697 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 3: like there's enough for us to get this, get to 698 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 3: it together. We don't got to fight over it, because 699 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 3: while we're fighting over it, they vacationing on their Wyoming ranch. 700 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 4: They in Hawaii with it. 701 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: They everywhere own the land, and we're fighting for two 702 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 3: acres over here. 703 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 4: I'm not here for that. There's enough for all of 704 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 4: us to go around. 705 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: I got one. Well, I think we can do it. 706 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: That I did have one last question that was good. 707 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: I appreciate you. 708 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: Bria Baker rooted the American legacy of land theft and 709 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: the modern movement for black land ownership is out right now. 710 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: We can they get at you, Bria. 711 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 4: Listen. 712 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 3: You can follow me at Freckled while Black on social media. 713 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 3: I also have a website Bria Baker dot com and 714 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 3: the book is in stores everywhere. Don't buy it from 715 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: Amazon though we boycotting them too. Just about to ask you, 716 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 3: what is your book on Amazon? It is on Amazon, 717 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: is on Target, but we boycotting both of those places 718 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: right now. 719 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 1: Your Instagram name right so you can find it there. 720 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 4: I might be off of them too, so that's why 721 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 4: I said the website breaker dot com. That's want to 722 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 4: use it listen, you know, just. 723 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: But there's black bookstores everywhere. Get it from a black bookstore. 724 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 3: If you're like I don't want to go in person, 725 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 3: bookshop dot org will let you buy it from a 726 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 3: local bookstore and make sure that your money is going 727 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: to someone who also wants to see us win. Because 728 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: buying a book about black land from a company that 729 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 3: don't want to see you own no land is a 730 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 3: little crazy. 731 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: But listen. 732 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: You gotta get it. Get it where you gotta get it. 733 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: You gotta get it. 734 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: It's in Target too and Walmart. Right the Breakfast Club