1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, a mail delivery woman. A 2 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: mother is a gunned down by some freak who shoots 3 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: her in the chest because she stops delivering to his 4 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: house because of his vicious dog. This young mom, Angela Summers, 5 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: killed by a single shot to the chest. A couple 6 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: of weeks before her fatal shooting, she'd reported quote several 7 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: issues with the suspects vicious dog, and mail delivery was halted. 8 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: Then this guy, Tony Cushionberry Maze. All he has to 9 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: say is quote, I didn't mean to kill her. That 10 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: is total b S technical legal term. It's like Jackie, 11 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: I take a gun and pointing at you and pull 12 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: the trigger and go oops. I didn't mean to kill her. 13 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: I only mean to scare her. N Oh, And I'll 14 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: tell you why. The black and white letter of the 15 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: law says, the law assumes you intend the natural consequence 16 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: of your act. Now here's an example I would always 17 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: give to juries. Take a piece of fine china, the 18 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: beautiful china your mom or grandma kept and a big 19 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: out on display because it's so beautiful. You take that 20 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: piece of fine china, you can practically see through it. 21 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: You can see the shadow of your hand and you 22 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: throw it down to the cement floor and then say, oh, 23 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to break it. No, And oh, how 24 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: dare he say he didn't mean to kill this mom 25 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: just doing her job delivering the mail. How dare he 26 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: say that? I am so irritated with him even saying 27 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: that I didn't mean to kill her. You know what? 28 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: In the last hours a development in the case of 29 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: this Indiana man who shoots down a female poster worker 30 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: dead after she stops delivering mail to his house because 31 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: of his vicious dog. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 32 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 33 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: and Serious x one eleven that poc technical legal term. 34 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: Tony Cushionberry May's charged with second degree murder assaulting a 35 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: federal employee discharging a firearm after he guns down Angela's 36 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: Summers with a single shot to the chest. But in 37 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: the last hours he takes a guilty plea. Summer's beloved 38 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: by everybody at her usps in Wood, Indianapolis Post office. 39 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: She died in the hospital fighting for her life. Szakie 40 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: hammerd Crime Online. What's the latest? Tony Cushingberry Mays has 41 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to second degree murder and is now facing 42 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: life in prison. The twenty three year old admitted to 43 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: police that he shot Angela Summers after confronting her when 44 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: she walked past his home without delivering the mail. As 45 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: you said, Nancy, delivery to his residence had been stopped 46 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: because of repeated issue with Cushingberry Mayze dog and aggressive chihuahua. 47 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: When Summers walked past his home, Cushionberry confronted her on 48 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: a neighbor's porch, repeatedly asking for his mail. As things became, 49 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: heated Summer's sprayed Cushingberry Mayze with mace, and then he 50 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: pulled a gun from his waistband and shot the forty 51 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: five year old mom in the chest. Summers died at 52 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: the hospital. Now, remember everybody, Three warning letters were sent 53 00:03:54,680 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: to his home telling him to contain his wild, vicious dog. 54 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: But that didn't seem to work, did it. The only 55 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: thing that would work for him is a bullet. I 56 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our friends at 57 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: Fox at fifty nine Courtney Crown. Paul Thom's a longtime 58 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: mail carrier now union rep for the local branch of 59 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: the National Association of Letter carriers told us about what 60 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: he called ongoing issues at the house involving a small, 61 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: vicious dog. Yes, there was a history on this for 62 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: quite a while. The way I understand that dog letters 63 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: had been sent. That's a form to the patron when 64 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: the dog is a nuisance or a danger vicious. The 65 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: Union rep confirms Summers gave the people living at the 66 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: home several warnings, which is the formal procedure before the 67 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: USPS stops mail service. I had no idea. It was 68 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: just complicated, and I had no idea that there's actually 69 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: a method, a series of steps you take when the 70 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: post I guess I'm gonna call it the post person, 71 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: the postman or postwoman delivers them out and they have problems, 72 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: constant problems with one particular home. Out to you, Leavi Page, 73 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Crime online dot Com. What were the problems 74 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: she was having, Angela Summers with this one person, Tony 75 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: cushing Berry, what's the problem. So, Nancy Angela Summers is 76 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: a postal worker and there's this one home where there 77 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: is an aggressive dog there that is very aggressive towards her. 78 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a pit bull or a Doberman. 79 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm talking about a Chwahwa. I got to tell you something. 80 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: I go round and round with animal act advocate and 81 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: lawyer Penny Douglas fur about this because I'm always focusing 82 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: on pitbulls, rottwa olers, a couple of other types of 83 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: dogs that are always eating people, and she's constantly sending 84 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: me studies about which dogs bite them most. Did you 85 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: know chouahwas are right up there? And I know it 86 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: may sound silly to a lot of people. When a dog, 87 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: even a chouahwa, sinks its teeth into your legs, you 88 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: can't shake them off. This is a lady mail carrier. 89 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: And from what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, Levi, 90 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: because you know the facts better than me. But every 91 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: time she would go there, the dog would try to 92 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: attack her. It would bart incessantly growl at her, try 93 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: to bite her. Sometimes the owner, the adults would be 94 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: in the yard, they just let it happen. Sometimes there 95 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: would be children in the yard, and they allegedly would 96 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: not only let it happen, they seem to egg it on, like, 97 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, provoke it almost What was happening with her, Yes, 98 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: this dog was barking at her biting at her, nipping 99 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: at her, and it happened multiple times. The owners of 100 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: this property got multiple warnings to put their dog up, 101 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: they refused. It got so bad Nancy that she actually 102 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: had to take out her mace and sprayed the dog 103 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: with mace, and the owners got even more angry with her. 104 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: A woman started yelling at her, calling her the B word. 105 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: You know this reminds me. Okay, doctor Bethany, do not 106 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: judge my father. Don't do it, because I'm gonna tell 107 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: his story. Never told you this story before. You know, 108 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: my dad, Matt Walter Malcolm Gray Senior, was a yes, 109 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: she did, and he was just a dream good looking, smart, 110 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: could dance best, dab anyway. He was a freight agent 111 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: with Norfolk Southern Railroad and he had to do a 112 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: lot of different but one of them was he scared 113 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: me to death when I was a little girl and 114 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: we would go see him at work. Trains would be 115 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: going by, and sometimes he stood in between two trains 116 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: going different ways or same way, very close and he 117 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: would have their instructions like on a telegraph typed out 118 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: on the top of a really long pole with a 119 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: metal catch at the end, and he would stand between 120 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: the trains and hold the pole up and the trains 121 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: would be going by, and believe it or not, the 122 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: engineer would grab the instructions and that would be which 123 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: track they were supposed to switch to. My dad also 124 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: would manually switch tracks with these giant levers in the depot. 125 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: Long story short, There was trouble at an intersection and 126 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: he went out on foot, went to this intersection where 127 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: cars cross to feed. You're out well, because if the 128 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: train bar didn't come down and the red lights did, 129 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: it can when somebody could get killed. So my dad 130 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: is out there and the car A car came up 131 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: while he was out on the track at the intersection 132 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's wrong. And the car started 133 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: blowing the horn at him to move, and you know, 134 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: he's trying to safe people's lives, and then the car 135 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: started edging up on him. Well, he had that stick 136 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: and he turned around and he whacked that car like 137 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times Hancey got the name 138 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: Mac the Maniac. Believe me. The car turned around and 139 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: went the other way. But you know how much do 140 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: you have to push somebody who's just trying to do 141 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: their job? Are you hearing this, can't they just bring 142 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: this chihuahua in when the male person comes. Okay, Nancy, 143 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: you are bringing up something so important. I'm glad you 144 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: brought up your dad because I want to make a 145 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: similar point. You better Judge and Bethany Marshall both charming 146 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: and handsome. I met him at your book signing years ago. 147 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: Such a lovely man. But anyway, so what we need 148 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: to know about our foote postal workers is that they 149 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: have become first responders, just like our healthcare workers. They 150 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: have become first responders without the training that first responders get. 151 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: And when you look at the literature on training first 152 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: responders people who go out in the middle of a hurricane, 153 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: a pandemic, after an earthquake, usually what you see is 154 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: that normal protocols, the normal protocols no longer hold systems 155 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: are overwhelmed and they needed to be allowed or freed 156 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: up to protect their own safety instead of being mired 157 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: in bureaucracy. First responders get trained to do this. But 158 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: she's a postal worker and she's on the front lines. 159 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: She's one of these people that cannot afford just to 160 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: stay home in the middle of a pandemic. She is 161 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: supporting herself and her fourteen year old daughter. She's engaged, 162 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: so she's doing unsung hero's work and this chihuahua comes out. 163 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: Now people may laugh because they're an angry chihuahua, but 164 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: chihuahuas can be quite aggressive. Now, remember everybody. Three warning 165 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: letters were sent to his home, Tony Cushionberry mays, telling 166 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: him to contain his wild, vicious dog. But that didn't 167 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: seem to work, did it? Take a Listen to crime 168 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac, postal worker Angela 169 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: Summers and resident Tony Cushionberry have had multiple run ins 170 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: over an aggressive chihuahua. In fact, in early April, a 171 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: curtailment of mail letter was sent to the family. According 172 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: to the National Association of Letter Carriers Branch thirty nine, 173 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: President Paul Thoms Tom says, when a dog is a 174 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: nuisance or a danger to the mail handler, residents are 175 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: informed through three letters. The first is a warning, then 176 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: a second warning is sent out after that is the 177 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: curtailment of mail letter. On this day, Cushionberry was waiting 178 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: for the delivery of his stimulus check. When Summers didn't 179 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: deliver it, the twenty one year old confronted the postal 180 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: carrier on a neighbor's porch, repeatedly asking for his mail. 181 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: As a confrontation escalated, Summers then sprayed him with mace. 182 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: This woman can't catch a break with Tony Cushingberry mays. 183 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: He's just twenty one years old and in her mine. 184 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: She probably thought he was a young guy and he 185 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking to her that way, confronting her. And 186 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: it all goes to a stimulus check because of COVID 187 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: nineteen that he's been waiting on every single day. But 188 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: we can't blame it on the stimulus check or COVID 189 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: because this situation had been going on for a long 190 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: time and then it blows up. Take a less In 191 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: five to fifty nine, Courtney Crown Summer's Facebook page reveals 192 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: her concerns over the dog at this house. A post 193 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: she made details threats from the house. She also states 194 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: she had a stimulus check for the person living there. 195 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: In the Union Rep thinks that led to this tragedy. 196 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: We weren't something like this to never never happen again. 197 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: It shouldn't happen. Summers did not request a route change, 198 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: but she would not have been contractually eligible to move 199 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: because she is a non career carrier, so she was 200 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: filling in. So there's no way she could have moved 201 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: routes even if she had wanted to. And again, to 202 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: go back to my dad, I remember when the railroad 203 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: at one joint when I was a little girl, they 204 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: were laying people off and my dad was just so 205 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: worried he wouldn't have a job, and he took what 206 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: they called a mobile route, which means one day he'd 207 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: drive a hundred miles to work in the morning, one 208 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: day he'd drive forty miles. One day he'd drive all 209 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: the way to Savannah to work, which is, you know, 210 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: like a five hour drive one way to keep the job. 211 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: I can just imagine her. She needs this job, she 212 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: need the benefits. She's got a fourteen year old daughter 213 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: to raise, so she put up with this idiot and 214 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: his dog. Take a listen to a little bit more 215 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: from Fox fifty nine. Courtney Crown police say they found 216 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: a woman suffering from a gunshot wound. Police report the 217 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: mail carrier was then taken to a local hospital. They're 218 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: spending time talking with those witnesses to try to get 219 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: an idea exactly what led up to this. Now, the 220 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: good thing here is police say that the witnesses that 221 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: they're talking with, and as you guys can imagine, happened 222 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: around four o'clock in the afternoon. A lot of people 223 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: were out on their front porches. All of these homes 224 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: have nice front porches out here. The good thing is 225 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: those witnesses have been cooperative with police. But because we 226 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: still have a suspect on the run, we're still looking 227 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: for more information. I am PD is asking you if 228 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: you know anything, please call the homicide Department or you 229 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: can always leave an anonymous tip by calling crime stoppers. Well, 230 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: she's talking about the good thing out of all this. Yeah, 231 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: that's digging deep to find a silver lining on this one. 232 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: So to you climb online dot com invest to get 233 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: a reporter levi page. What do we think happened? So Nancy, 234 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: she suspended mail delivery to his home. They owners of 235 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: that residence refused to sign a waiver that they were 236 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: going to keep their chihuahua up, so they were angry 237 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: that they weren't getting mail. And twenty one year old 238 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: Tony Cushingberry Maze was wanting his stimulus check and when 239 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: he saw that she had passed by his home and 240 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: went to the neighbors and was dropping off a package 241 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: on their front door. He confronted her. He was very aggressive. 242 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: So Angela Summers, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, back it up 243 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: for me place. What did you say he saw? What 244 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: about the neighbor? He actually witnessed her passed by his home. 245 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: She was dropping off a package on on his neighbor's 246 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: front doorstep, and that is when he confronted her about 247 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: wanting her stimulus check. He was let me just write 248 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: this down real quickly. By they're saying, she Angela Summers, 249 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: the postal delivery carrier with a fourteen year old daughter. 250 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: And I'm keeps saying that for a reason, she had 251 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: passed his house and she was at the neighbor's house. 252 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: Do I have that correct? Correct? Okay? So he then 253 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: Tony Cushionberry at May's twenty one years old, goes to 254 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: the neighbors and confronts her there, yes, and is so 255 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: aggressive that she has to take out mas and spring 256 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: it hold on. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer, certainly 257 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: a courtroom veteran. Find at NC Domestic Law dot com. 258 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: These human relations, that they just get all tangled up 259 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: and then it goes hey wire over nothing. How hard 260 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: is it to put your dog inside till after the 261 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: male person comes. But, Kathleen Murphy, you see where I'm 262 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: going with this. That he saw her go to the 263 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: neighbor's house, left his home armed, I assume, and goes 264 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: over to the neighbor. Why is that a very critical 265 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: legal point? When he goes over there, he is intentionally 266 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: chasing her down. He is intentionally confronting her. He is 267 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: intentionally enraged at her, and he intentionally has a gun 268 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: with him, which leads to that very clear murder charge. 269 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Whether federal or state, he will clearly be charged not 270 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: with second degree, not with voluntary, not with self defense, 271 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: but intentional murder. She's right, she read my mind. Because 272 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: let's just say that Jackie and I get into a 273 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: big hair fight here in the studio, so chared of 274 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: her or telling w to cut together to commercial break, 275 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and I just go crazy and I 276 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: get my imaginary gun to just shoot her. Sorry, jack 277 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: You're dead again. The fact that I would have to 278 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: get up from this desk, get my gun, walk over 279 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: to her and shoot her under the law is premeditation. 280 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: It's not like they were having an argument over the dog, 281 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: even any argument, and then the heat of the moment 282 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: he pulls the gun and fires. It could arguably be 283 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter in that situation, although the law says, and 284 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: the time it takes to lift a gun to pull 285 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: a trigger, you've got time for premeditation. It does not 286 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: have to be a long drawn out plan such as 287 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: poisoning someone over a period of weeks or months, or 288 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: lying in wait and attacking them dressed in black ninja style. 289 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: It can be just like that time to form intent. 290 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: But in this case, as Kathleen Murphy North Carolina trial 291 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: lawyer accurately points out, he pursues her. He leaves his home, 292 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: walks to the neighbors, and starts up with her. All right, 293 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: right there, Levipaye, jump back in. What happens then? So 294 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: she sprays him with mace and he says that he 295 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: has asthma, and his asthma flared up, and he took 296 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: out a gun and shot her in the chess. Nancy, 297 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: his asthma flared up? Okay, go ahead, and Nancy, what 298 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: is so said? He took off running and what is 299 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: so said, is she was on this front porch she 300 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: had been shot in the chest, and people there ran 301 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: out to check on her and stay with her until 302 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: the ambulance arrive. And apparently she was still talking to people, 303 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: talking to emergency workers and police officers when her lung 304 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: collapsed and the neighbors were worried about her, and as 305 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: she was being stretched away into the end ulance, she 306 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: gave them a thumbs up, hoping to survive. But she 307 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: did not survive. She later died in the hospital. Time 308 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, for those of you just 309 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: joining us, we're talking about a forty five year old 310 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: mom of a fourteen year old girl. That means she 311 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: had her daughter when she's thirty one, and she's gotten 312 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: down on her postal route over a dog a chawahwa. 313 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanlan's joining me out of Beverly Hills. 314 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: It's often these tiny details that just break my heart, 315 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: like her giving the thumbs up as they were taking 316 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: her in the ambulance and then all of a sudden, 317 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: the lung collasses, she dies. But that moment where she's 318 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: talking to everybody going I'm gonna be okay, you know, 319 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: probably telling them to call her daughter, gives the thumbs up. 320 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: There's just something about that moment that's just so twist 321 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: your heart, Nancy. It's like the sublime and the vial. 322 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: The sublime is her giving the thumbs up, her thinking 323 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: about her daughter, her not knowing that she's going to 324 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: bleed out and die. And there's the vial. There's this 325 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: young man who already had a gun in his belt, 326 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: lying and wait for her. I mean, there's a lightness 327 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: and then there's the dark. And it's such a world 328 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 1: of contrast, Nancy. You know, when we're like in an 329 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: accident or somebody gets shot or stabbed, I don't. I 330 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: don't know the medical aspect like Joe Scott Morgan does, 331 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: but I do know the psychological that the person goes 332 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 1: into a shock. She probably did not even completely know 333 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: what had happened to her. She did not know the 334 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: severity of her wounds. There's no way for the mind 335 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: to take in that there's been a catastrophic wound to 336 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: one's body. I was once in Las Vegas at a convention. 337 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: Somebody was walking across the street. A car hit him. 338 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: He rolled over the top laid on the ground for 339 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: a second, popped up and just kept on walking for 340 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: three more blocks and then collapsed. He did not know 341 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: what had happened to him, and so obviously people came 342 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: to his aid and an ambulance came. But she gave 343 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: the thumbs up. She wanted to reassure other people that 344 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: she was okay. She was full of hope even in 345 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: the face of hate. You know, I'm going to circle 346 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: back Cloyd Steiger to you and the ridiculous things that 347 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: can trigger a murder. But I want to go to 348 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan Professor Forensics, Jacksonal State University and author J. 349 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: Scott help me prove this murder case. What can you 350 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: tell me about the scene? Well, the scene is going 351 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: to be obviously an outdoor area, and what will need 352 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: to happen is when they're processing the scene. The first 353 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: thing they need to do is if this is a 354 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 1: semi automatic weapon, which means it ejects the spent casing 355 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: out to the side. Since they're going to be absent 356 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: a weapon, potentially in this case, they need to recover 357 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: that spent casing. Most people that fire weapons in the 358 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: heat of a moment particularly when it is a crime 359 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: like this, where pressures are up and everything else. They 360 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 1: don't think to go and collect that brass. But that 361 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: piece of spent brass that's at the scene is going 362 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: to be a tie back, a specific tie back to 363 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: that scene and to that weapon. And that's important. You're 364 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: telling me. Not only will the bullet have identifiable's triation 365 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: marks on it from a hurling down the back the barrel, 366 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: but the spent shell casing will also have those markings 367 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: on it as well. Those are called those are called 368 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: extractor marks, Nancy, because it's almost if people at home 369 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: will just imagine it's like a tiny, tiny little metal 370 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: claw inside of the weapon that grabs that spent casing 371 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: and ejects at out of the side. And because these 372 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: casings are typically brass, it leaves very distinctive markings that 373 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: can be matched back to that weapon. That's why we 374 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: have That's why when you see us out on scenes 375 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: and we're down on our hands and in our knees 376 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: and we're photographing and all that stuff, we have to 377 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: be very careful because every little tiny element plays a 378 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: huge part. You know. What's what's interesting is that people 379 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: know I guess from TV that bullets can match up 380 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: like a fingerprint to a particular gun, and we know 381 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: about the data bank. Much like the DNA data bank 382 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: and the fingerprint data bank APHOS, there's also a fire 383 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: arms a data bank. A lot of people don't know 384 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: that a shield casing can also be matched up to 385 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: a particular weapon. I believe it's harder to do that 386 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: than it is with the bullet, but it can absolutely 387 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: be done. I'm just listening to what you're saying. Another 388 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: thing I'm thinking about is this guy claims that he 389 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: has asthma, and therefore he had to fire his weapon. 390 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: If you have asthma, seriously have asthma, you're really not 391 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: even supposed to have a dog. You're not. And that's 392 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: the deal because I have as I have a dog, 393 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: a cat, and two guinea pigs. But my asthma's not serious. 394 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: So if his asthma's so serious, he's got to kill 395 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: over it. But he has a dog. That's a whole 396 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: nother line of argument for the prosecution. Guys talking about 397 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: the death of a mom Angela Summers on her route, 398 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: take a listen to Fox fifty nine Aaron can Shrell, 399 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,239 Speaker 1: The United States Postal Service confirms Summers was working at 400 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: the time of the shooting. It just doesn't make sense, 401 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: you know. Ribbins have been showing up all around this 402 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: East Side community to honor Summers. In her life, she 403 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: loved people. She loved her the people on her route. 404 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: She worried about the older people on her route during 405 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: this time. She always carried treats and she would, you know, 406 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: give the dogs treats on her route. Melissa wants people 407 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: to remember mail carriers are human and says they should 408 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: be treated with respect. Nobody deserves this, you know, but 409 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: she definitely didn't deserve this. Did you hear that she 410 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: would carry treats for dogs on her route and would 411 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: check on, how's your mother or how's your grandmother? Who's 412 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: that jumping in? Is that doctor Bethany or Kathleen, Kathleen Japan, Kathleene. 413 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: I have thank you. I just wanted to let everybody 414 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: know that I was looking at Angela's Summer's family and 415 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: I was looking at her gofund to me page and 416 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: she has that daughter who's fourteen, and we have young 417 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: teens together, you and I, and it is sad to 418 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: me that this child will not have a supporting parent, 419 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: a dual income household, and I just wanted to let 420 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: everybody know that there is a way to help this family. 421 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: You know what to you leave my page. I want 422 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: to get that gofund me exactly what it is, what 423 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: it says it is. I'm just thinking about the dichotomy 424 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: of what happened to her to Cloyd Steiker thirty six years, 425 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: SEATTLEPD twenty two years, homicide and author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, 426 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: Gary Jean Grant at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Cloyd, you 427 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: know you've seen it all. What do you have to 428 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: make of this shooting down a lady mail deliverer honor 429 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: job because you won't put your dog away? Well, yeah, 430 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: that's a the naineness of these kinds of murders. I mean, 431 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: there were several options. He could have put his dog away. 432 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: He could have put a mail box up by the street, 433 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: just one of those routes where she has to actually 434 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: go up and put the mail to the slot. So 435 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: he could have gone to the post office and got 436 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: his mail or got a peel box. But he couldn't 437 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: be bothered with that because he just wanted, you know, 438 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: you have to act my way. He was in such 439 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: a rage that he actually, like you said before, when 440 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: he went over to the neighbor's house, he brought a 441 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: gun with him, right, what was the attention to that gun? 442 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: And then his excuse says, well, my ads left player 443 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: up and the time it takes to get sprayed to 444 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: pull out a gun and shoot somebody year ASWAD doesn't 445 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: have time to flare up. That's just a simple excuse. 446 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: He's just looking for confrontation. He found it. He was mad, 447 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: he had no impulse control, and a terrible tragedy happened. 448 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys that we're talking about 449 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: a guy named Tony cushing Berry who allegedly guns down 450 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: a lady mail deliverer because she wouldn't give him a 451 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: stimulus check after numerous compliance that his dog would try 452 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: to attack her. Now, isn't it just tell me what 453 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: the charges are right now? LEVI? So, Nancy, he is 454 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: charged with second degree murder. He is charged with assault 455 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: on a federal employee. You know, here's the deal. I'm 456 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: not saying that a federal employee's life is worth more 457 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: than anybody else's life, but when you shoot a cop 458 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: or you shoot the president, or you shoot opposed to worker. 459 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: You're not just killing somebody, you are attacking a symbol 460 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: of the United States. That's the deal. And there, yeah, 461 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: there's an enhanced penalty on that. He can get life 462 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: behind bars. The reality is that we can easily prove 463 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: he knee she was a federal postal worker because they'd 464 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: have been having so many arguments about delivering the mail. 465 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: Was that Kathleen jumping in or beth Bethany jump in? 466 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. I understanding is he had ten weapons a 467 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: young man in his early twenties. And it's important for 468 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: the public to know that there are risk factors for violence, 469 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: and one is owning numerous firearms, a history of violence, 470 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: substance abuse, impulse control. And this young man, I think 471 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: was living with his family. And you know, you have 472 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: a mother to a boy. A very important part of 473 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: parenting young people, especially men, is to unlink violence from 474 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: social interaction, because some boys do have greater amounts of aggression. 475 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: They like to like kick rocks or maybe punch hit 476 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: and there's so many socializing experiences where the mother teaches 477 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: the young man to tame the aggression and instead to 478 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: love and be kind and to be grateful. And I 479 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: just wonder what was going on in this household that 480 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: violence overran any sense of human decency. It's like again, 481 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: like I was talking about an earlier segment, like an 482 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: animal somebody. Now you're familiar with Sigmund Freud. Doesn't he 483 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: say that by age four, your personality is set. It's 484 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: it's over. You know what. Actually it's true. By age three, 485 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: all of our defenses are coping styles. What we do 486 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: to respond to stress and anxiety is set by thinking. 487 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm setting you up, Bethany. I'm setting you up because 488 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: here's the clint. This guy's twenty one. However, he's not 489 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: a boy, he's a grown man. It's too late for mommy, 490 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: for mama to come in and train him. That's over with. 491 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: According to Freud, I say for you say three, it's done. 492 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: This is who he is. Don't start dragging the mother, doctor, 493 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: Bethany is her Faulken. A child's later socialization experiences in 494 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: the family can at least ameliorate or override certain tendencies 495 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: like aggression. And I do again, wonder what was happening 496 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: in that home. I mean, where did he hold these 497 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: ten firearms. What did his family think? Why did they 498 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: think he needed those? Take a listen to a tiny 499 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: bit of what this woman, Angela Summers, went through. Take 500 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at WISH TV eight. This 501 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: is Sierra Hickneity. Just days before Summers was killed, she 502 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: took to Facebook to voice some of her concerns she 503 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: was having along her route. She talks about a house 504 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: that has an aggressive dog. The people living in the 505 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: home were upset because their mail had been withhelp because 506 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: they had not signed and returned the dog warning card 507 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: that had been delivered, which is standard protocol. In the post, 508 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: just a couple of days before her death, she says 509 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: there was a large group of people gathered on a 510 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: One woman yelled to her, making multiple threats, including one 511 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: to mace her, physically harm her, and letting a dog 512 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: loose to attack her. According to the post, the woman 513 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: demanded that Summers deliver her mail. It's not clear yet 514 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: if the same home that Summers is referring to in 515 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: her post is the home on North Denny Street where 516 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: shots were fired on Monday, threatening to mace her, to 517 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: attack her, or let the dog loose and bite her 518 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: if she did not deliver the mail. And this is 519 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: not just driving by in your car where they the 520 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: post postman is on the wrong side of the car 521 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: so that he she can put the letter in your mailbox. 522 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: As Joe Scott or Leavi Page accurately pointed out, this 523 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: was a home where you had to walk up the yard, 524 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: up the steps and put the mail in a box 525 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: beside the door. Is our understanding. And then all these 526 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: people corgregated on the porch, yelling at her and threatening her. 527 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: Of course she didn't go deliver the mail. Take a 528 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: listen to fifty nine Jesse Wells. While doing her job 529 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: delivering mail in this East Side neighborhood, on Monday, forty 530 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: five year old Angela Summers was shot in the chest 531 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: and died at the hospital. It's real hard, of course, 532 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: It's never happened to us before. Reverend Michael Davis, pastor 533 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: Unity of Indianapolis, says Angelas served as a board member 534 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: for the church and remembers her outgoing and outspoken personality. 535 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: Angela was quick with a laugh. Also she was quick 536 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 1: with her opinion. You never you never questioned what Angela 537 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: was thinking, because she would let you know. And now too, 538 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: Jesse Wells again Fox fifty nine, What do we know 539 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: about Cushingberry? The agency confirmed on Wednesday that twenty one 540 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: year old Tony cushing Berry is accused of the murder. 541 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't stop the tears. It actually brought on some 542 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: more today, just because because of relief of knowing that 543 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: this isn't going to have to go on and on 544 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: and on and on. There there can be some closure. 545 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: Angela leads behind a teenage daughter and a community trying 546 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: to make sense of the violence of everything. Her daughter 547 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: was first, and that's why she worked hard. To have 548 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: somebody so integral in your community to have their life 549 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: taken so quickly and so violently. Um, it's hard to 550 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: take that end. It's hard to understand that. Finally, the 551 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office is reviewing the case because killing a 552 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: federal employee on duty is a federal offense that could 553 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: carry a life sentence. A life sentence. Why should this 554 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: guy get anything but a life sentence. We see it 555 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: over and over again, how small things in daily living 556 00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: end up in murder. Why couldn't they just showed this 557 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: woman a tiny bit of kindness. I don't understand it. 558 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, 559 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State. You've been on so many death scenes. They're 560 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: very rarely some long planned event, meticulously carefully orchestrated. They're 561 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: more often just like this, Joe Scott. Yeah, they are, 562 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: and that's you know, the long orchestrated thing is the 563 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: stuff of Hollywood, Nancy, and I can just say it 564 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: most people, most of these events are reactionary. In this 565 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: particular case, we've got an ongoing history with this. But 566 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: it's not like this guy planned out. You know, he 567 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: just he showed up with violence in his heart and 568 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: in his mind, and he wrecked this woman's life and 569 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: wrecked her child's life. And let me tell you a 570 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: little bit about what she went through. You know, they 571 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: talked about how she gave the thumbs up. You know, 572 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: we're going back then, and you know, when she's been 573 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: carried away on by the ambulance crew, she took a round. 574 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: She took this bullet through her lungs, and at the 575 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: moment that that occurred, she probably doesn't have an awareness 576 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: of how serious this is. But all the while, and 577 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: this goes to the horror of this, all the while, 578 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: her plural cavity, which is the area actually where the 579 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: lung is seated. There's a space in there. That lung 580 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: has got a hole in it, and out of that 581 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: hole is pumping blood and it's filling up in that 582 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: plural space. And as that plural space gets filled with blood, 583 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: she is slowly, slowly literally suffocating on her own blood. 584 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: That means that her lung can no longer expand she 585 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: can't take air in. And when she does, I would 586 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: suspect that she was probably spitting up blood at some 587 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: point in time, and it's almost like she's drowning, drowning 588 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: for what a stupid dog, a dog, mind you that 589 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: had this person had been asked to clear this up. No, 590 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: he lives in the house with mommy. He's got ten weapons. 591 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: I was looking at a photo oven. He's got enough 592 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: time to get ink splashed all over his neck with 593 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: these detailed tattoos, tattoo on his face, you know, and 594 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: you're waiting on a check. He's just a little prince 595 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: atney and this woman who's trying to do her job, 596 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: which is a very hard job, literally drowns death on 597 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: her own blood. And it's just absolutely horrific. Listen to this. 598 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: The woman Alana Salazar, who lived next door, says she 599 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: heard a loud noise followed by a knock on the door. 600 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: When she opened it, she found Miss Summers on the ports, 601 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: surrounded by blood, undelivered mail, a can of pepper spray. 602 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: She tried to confort Miss Summers, who says she was 603 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: hyperventilating while they waited for paramedics. The reality is she 604 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: was dying. I just think about this daughter and this 605 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: mother who kept this route full of problems because based 606 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: on her position with Postal, she couldn't transfer routes, so 607 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: she was stuck with it to make a living. In 608 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: the last hours, a development, A guilty play in a case, 609 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: Jackie Howard, what's the sentence? Well, Nancy, we don't know yet. Again, 610 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: Cushionberry Mays did plead guilty to second degree murder after 611 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,720 Speaker 1: killing Angela Summers. He now faces a maximum of life 612 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: in federal prison. He is scheduled to be sentenced by 613 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 1: US District Court Judge Jane Magnus Stenson later this year. 614 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfals Nancy Grace crime story, signing 615 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: off goodbye that