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Speaker 2: Everybody?

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Speaker 3: Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory. I'm chandeler

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Speaker 3: roam with Tyler Stafford and Tyler. Are you panicking yet?

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Speaker 3: The Astros have three extra base hits in four games.

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Speaker 3: They have scored eight runs in four games. Jordan Hicks

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Speaker 3: absolutely carved them up last night at Dyke And Park

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Speaker 3: and what was otherwise a City Connect Jersey infomercial on

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Speaker 3: the Space City Home Network.

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Speaker 2: Are you concerned at all?

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Speaker 1: Season's over? Wrap it up? Four games in? Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna live and die with every game this year. They

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Speaker 1: still look fine. There's the voice you were wondering if

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Speaker 1: if it was gonna sound bad. But Jordan's probably not

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Speaker 1: gonna hit one hundred for the year. I'd imagine Brady's

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Speaker 1: is good, man. He keeps ripping it. He's almost accidentally

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Speaker 1: hit like three home runs that have died at the

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Speaker 1: Crawford boxes, and so maybe everybody was right about his

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Speaker 1: swing being exactly tailored for the Crawford boxes. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not fun. I sure would like to see some

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Speaker 1: more offense, but I'm not panicking yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Joseel Tuove has six hits this season. No other

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Speaker 3: member of the Astros has more than two, oh thank you,

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Speaker 3: and then all six of Joseel two Ba's hits are singles.

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Speaker 3: It would it would behoove the Astros to hit the

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Speaker 3: ball in the gap to get some extra base hits.

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Speaker 3: We say that as they will face Logan Web tonight

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Speaker 3: the Giants Ace who if you would like to have

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Speaker 3: a comp he is basically from Berveldez in the National League.

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Speaker 3: A lot of sinkers, a lot of ground balls. Tonight

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Speaker 3: may not be the night that the Astros break out

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Speaker 3: of their offensive doldrums.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do him.

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Speaker 3: This is a mailbag episode, so we're going to answer

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Speaker 3: some questions from some listeners that we got some good questions.

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Speaker 3: We will cover the torpedo bats. That will be discussed

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Speaker 3: in a couple of minutes, but before we get to

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Speaker 3: the questions, Tyler Justin Verlander was.

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Speaker 2: Back at Diyke and Park yesterday.

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Speaker 3: He held court with the local media, with the Houston

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Speaker 3: media for about five minutes outside the dugout.

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Speaker 2: He said he literally loves jose Al Tuve, which.

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Speaker 1: That was great. I saw that.

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Speaker 3: I think that is something that a lot of fans

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Speaker 3: can relate to. But something else interesting came up. Justin

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Speaker 3: Verlanders said he made no bones about it, that he

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Speaker 3: and Jim Crane were really talking this offseason and there

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Speaker 3: was mutual interest for Justin Verlander to return. What I

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Speaker 3: thought was interesting. And let's preface this by this is

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Speaker 3: second hand relaying of this information. But Justin Verlander said

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Speaker 3: that he and Jim Crane talked throughout the Winner, and

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Speaker 3: then when the Giants kind of put up or shut up,

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Speaker 3: when the Giants really came with a strong offer, I died,

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Speaker 3: like Verlander called Jim Crane back, and Jim Crane, according

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Speaker 3: to Verlander, told him, we are not even in position

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Speaker 3: to make an offer right now. Now, let's remember when

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Speaker 3: this all happened. Justin Verlander's contract with the Giants became

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Speaker 3: official in January eleventh. By that point, the Ashers had

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Speaker 3: acquired Estock Paradus and Hayden was Ansky and Cam Smith.

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Speaker 3: They had Alex Bregman was still a free agent. They

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Speaker 3: had not yet traded Ryan Presley to the Cubs. So

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Speaker 3: you surprised at all that that was Jim Crane's reply

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Speaker 3: to Justin Verlander, a guy that he is very close

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Speaker 3: with and a guy that, let's be frank here, if

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Speaker 3: it were up to Jim Crane, I think Justin Verland

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Speaker 3: he'd have Justin Verlander as an Astro for as long

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Speaker 1: Is it not up to Jim Crane? I mean I

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Speaker 1: mean we talked about this that there's just not a

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Speaker 1: Max Schurz are exited, what an inning into his debut

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Speaker 1: happen for JV. But look, he might have three starts

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Speaker 1: and where they're going to slot in, and it just

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Speaker 1: You know, if there's a if there's a clear spot

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Speaker 1: like right now. Meanwhile, apparently what the Asters should have

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Speaker 1: been doing is converting all of their relievers to starters.

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Speaker 1: Asters are getting the the brunt of that from from

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Speaker 1: the league right now, from Clay Holmes and Jordan Hicks.

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Speaker 1: I saw most of the game here. I'm in El

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Speaker 3: For some reason, I didn't want you to buy Space

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Speaker 3: City City Connect here.

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Speaker 1: They had I don't know, some direct TV thing here

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Speaker 1: and I can only find the Giants broadcast. You know

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Speaker 1: who's good at calling a baseball game is John Miller.

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Speaker 1: Oh it is so fun, Yeah, listen to I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they mentioned this on the Asher's broadcast, but

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Speaker 1: John Miller said that there were ninety family and friends

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Speaker 3: Jordan Hicks a Houston native who actually pitched at the

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Speaker 3: downtown Houston ballpark for the first time ever. That was

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Speaker 3: He went to Cycreek High School. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: so you're from here, like cy Creek, Cypress Creek? For

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Speaker 3: which ones do we shorten it to sigh? Which ones

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Speaker 1: Like? I don't know he got your cy Fair? You know,

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Speaker 1: I played tennis in high school, so anytime he had

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Speaker 3: Speaking of absolutely destroyed, Jordan Hicks did that to the

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Speaker 2: That was incredible.

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Speaker 1: He was never understood why he's not good. He throws

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Speaker 1: always seemed like a guy that should be really, really good,

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Speaker 1: and it's insane that making him a starter made him good.

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Speaker 2: The way he was pitching, that.

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Speaker 3: Was he sat ninety eight with a sinker that was

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Speaker 2: And some nights you just have to tip your hats.

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Speaker 3: As much as ashers fans don't want to do that,

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Speaker 3: torpedo bets. We will discuss that and many more questions

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Speaker 3: right after we hear from our friends at foul Territory.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to hit on the Phillies because

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Speaker 3: All right, so as promised, we are going to start

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Speaker 3: answering some mailbag questions that were solicited via X, which

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Speaker 3: Thompson as future MVP, not alprin Shangoon. But they asked

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Speaker 3: thoughts on the astros using the torpedo bats, who might

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Speaker 3: need them or who should use them? Or is anyone

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Speaker 3: Joe Spotta was asked yesterday whether about the torpedo bats

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Speaker 3: he's never touched one, and because of that, he really

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of things here, and this is kind

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Speaker 3: And that's what Zach Dezenzo did. Like he had a

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Speaker 3: something you said is pretty prudent. You know, we're four

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Speaker 3: games in, Like, it's gonna take two or three weeks

435
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Speaker 3: for the Astros to really figure out how this roster works,

436
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: to figure out the best machinations to get guys in

437
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: grooves things like that. So while yes, Zach Decenzo's played

438
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: once in four games, I think it's a little early

439
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: to be just automatically saying there's no room for every

440
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 3: day at bat and there's no possibility for him to

441
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 3: get them. It's gonna take a little bit for everyone

442
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: to get used to this new roster construction kind of

443
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: how the Astros do things.

444
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Speaker 2: So I'm not.

445
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 3: Necessarily yet in the camp of you know, they got

446
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 3: to send Dezenzo down to get every day at that,

447
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: It's like not there yet. And also, Tyler, this is

448
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 3: a more kind of a you know, Zach Deznzo is

449
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: not Cam Smith, like Cam Smith is an elite like

450
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 3: aircraft carrier, like franchise changing kind of prospect.

451
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Speaker 2: Zach Deznzo is a good player.

452
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Speaker 3: He is not I mean, he is not some transformative,

453
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: transcendent talent that's going to, you know, alter the trajectory

454
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Speaker 3: of this franchise. And I don't mean that to disparage

455
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Speaker 3: Zach Dezenzo by any stretch of the imagination. But you're

456
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Speaker 3: talking about two different types of players here, and I

457
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: think when you start to look at that, Cam Smith's

458
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: always going to get the nod as the guy that

459
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Speaker 3: they need to prioritize his development, maybe over Zach Dezenzo.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

461
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Speaker 3: All right, Let's let's go to a third mailbag question.

462
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Speaker 3: This one is going to be from Andy and if

463
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 3: we can get it pulled up, Andy asks, is it

464
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Speaker 3: too early to be thinking about a Hunter Brown extension?

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Speaker 2: Big year?

466
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Speaker 1: Last year?

467
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Speaker 3: Stuff played up in his first start on Friday, and

468
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: we all know Valdez is gone next year. Feels like

469
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 3: they tried need to lock him up as the ace

470
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: of the future. Andy, I have bad news for you.

471
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Speaker 3: It is too late for a Hunter Brown extension. That

472
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: ship sailed last spring training when Hunter Brown was coming

473
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Speaker 3: off a very iffy rookie season up and down should flashes.

474
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Speaker 3: There was interest. Believe me, there was interest from Hunter

475
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: Brown in an extension last spring training. It did not

476
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Speaker 3: get done for whatever reason, Hunter Brown went out, had

477
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: a breakout year, was the second best pitcher in baseball

478
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Speaker 3: for the last four months of the season. He hired

479
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: Scott Boris this offseason. Very very very very very rarely

480
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 3: did Scott Boris do pre orb extensions, pre free agency extensions.

481
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Speaker 3: The time to extend Hunter Brown was last spring or even.

482
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Speaker 2: Two springs ago.

483
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Speaker 3: I have a very very hard time seeing Hunter Brown

484
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Speaker 3: signing an extension with the Astros.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good and he's about to hit. Arbitrations

486
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: is gone now. I mean, that's that's one of the

487
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: risks that you take with signing those extensions before somebody

488
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: has shown that they can do it. Who's the Red

489
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Sox guy that came up and had like a hit

490
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: in his first game and they immediately started talking extensions.

491
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Speaker 2: Did you see that, Christian Campbell?

492
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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. So I mean, if you want to extend

493
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: somebody is Cam Smith. Yeah, that's that's it. Like that's

494
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: the only one on the team that that you can extend.

495
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: And it's going to be you know, eight years, one

496
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars where you buy out like one year

497
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: free agency and you guarantee you know, I mean it's

498
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: it's the jord On extension, right, It's which I mean,

499
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say Robert, I'm not gonna say

500
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: poor yord On, but uh, he could make a whole

501
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: lot more money out there. And I mean it's a

502
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: personal preference too. Like Hunter Brown up until this year,

503
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: really was a fifth round pick out of.

504
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: Wayne State State.

505
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, he's not a guy that came

506
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: into the draft going like I'm gonna make two hundred

507
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars. I'm sure he was happy to

508
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: just not have to have a job after his playing

509
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: career was done. But he's past that point now. I mean, look,

510
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks is a really good example of somebody who

511
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: had a lot of talent never really put it together.

512
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: That dude is gonna make one hundred plus million dollars

513
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: in his career and he's not at near the level

514
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: of what Hunter Brown has put up so far. So

515
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: even if Hunter Brown doesn't have anything that resembles last

516
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: year over the next three years, someone is going to

517
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Speaker 1: give him six years, one hundred and fifty million dollars

518
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: when he has free agency. He's set for life. His

519
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: great grandchildren are set for life. At this point, he's

520
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: not signing an extension.

521
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: No, And let's also know, like you noted like they

522
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: have him for three more years after this one. It's

523
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: not as if he's about up and walk away. But

524
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: you hit on something there that I think is instructive

525
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: when we start talking about extensions Frombervell, does is not

526
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: who this team needs to be targeting for an extension.

527
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: Hunter Brown is even not who this team needs to

528
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: be targeting for an extension. Like you need to look

529
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: at Cam Smith.

530
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Speaker 1: You need to I mean guys like that, like Spencer.

531
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Speaker 3: Arraghetti like y, like those are the guys like you

532
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: need to lock these guys up young And I know

533
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: there are fans that are just pulling their hair out,

534
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: like you want to give a hundred million or a

535
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million dollars to Cam Smith when he's taking.

536
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: The sure bads.

537
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, that's how this is done now,

538
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: Like that is how this is done.

539
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: Now, Spencer's gonna.

540
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: Keep him for seven years anyway, Like you know, like

541
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: just lock it up now you know that that guy's

542
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: going to be there. Yeah, that those are the people

543
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: that you do whether it's Righetty, I mean Blanco even

544
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: something like that. But yeah, it's it's not Hunter Brown.

545
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: Brown's not signing an extension and he shouldn't. It would

546
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: be it would be malpractice for his agent to suggest

547
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: it unless Hunter Brown just said, look, I would like

548
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: to have one hundred million dollars guaranteed because that's what

549
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: I want in life, which you can't fault him for

550
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: doing that. I sure would like to have a hundred

551
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed. If Foul Territory comes to me with

552
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: an extension for a hundred million dollars, I'll probably sign

553
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: it if we can get that over to them. But

554
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: he's he's not going to sign it, especially not with

555
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: with Boris as his agent. And I know people get

556
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: fussy about Boris. Boris is doing his job to maximize

557
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: the amount of money that his clients make. And the

558
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: way that you maximize it is you bet on yourself

559
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: and you hit free agency.

560
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: Now you never say never, which is why we have

561
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: to bring this up. And this is a complete, complete outlier.

562
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: Scott Borris Is Josel two v's agent, Joseel two eight

563
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: signed an extension to stay with the Astros and avoided

564
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: free agency.

565
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: Jose L two VA.

566
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: Told Scott Boris, I am not playing anywhere else, asked

567
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 3: Scott Borris's boss.

568
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: It's not the other way.

569
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: Around, correct, So he told Scott Morris, I don't want

570
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: to play anywhere else. I want to stay here, and

571
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: they got it done. You know, maybe Hunter Brown fall

572
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: in love with Houston and is like, I don't want

573
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: to go anywhere else, and he does the same thing.

574
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: So that would be the only reality in where I

575
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: think there's legitimate interest in something. But again, you know,

576
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: you never say never. But I find it very, very,

577
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: very difficult to believe that Hunter Brown would sign a

578
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: long term extension just because, like you said, I mean,

579
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: he is three years away from being on the Trek

580
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: Schooble trajectory. Like if he if he puts a full

581
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: season together like we saw last year, Like this is

582
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: a guy that could get almost two hundred million dollars

583
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: in free agency, like it would it would be malpractice

584
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: right now. I mean, unless it is, unless it is

585
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: the sort of offer that you can't say no to

586
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: and it acts.

587
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: You would you would throw up if you saw the

588
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: extension it would take to sign Hunter Brown. I mean

589
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: it it would literally be like six years, two hundred

590
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: plus million dollars where you're buying three years of his

591
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: free agency. You're paying him his arbitration already, and it's

592
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: just that's not happening.

593
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: I mean, Garrett Crochet just agreed to a one hundred

594
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: and seventy million dollar extension after his first full big

595
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: league season where he basically had his innings tapered off

596
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: in the second half. Like, Hunter Brown was a better

597
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: pitcher than Garrett Crochet for a lot of last season.

598
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: And Hunter Brown's got a little bit bigger of a

599
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: track record, like, and Garrett or just got one hundred

600
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: and seventy million dollars, So like it's going to be

601
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: in that ballpark and yeah, the ash like again, the

602
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: only way this would work is if the Ashers make

603
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: the Godfather offer, the one that like you just simply

604
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: can't refuse, and they don't do that, and that's not

605
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: going I have a hard time believing that that's going

606
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: to happen. So let's go to our penultimate male bad question.

607
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: I love that word, penultimate, big fan, big fan. I

608
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: can't pronounce this handle. I think it's Teakkenzalas wants to know,

609
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: after two off seasons, how would you guys rate Dana

610
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: Brown's tenure as the Astros GM one of the positives

611
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: and negatives that you've seen from him so far. Tyler,

612
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: do you want to start with the you want to

613
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: start this one? How would you rate Dana Brown?

614
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: Uh?

615
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: Actually, three off seasons and this is that was this

616
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: past off season? Is this third off season? How would

617
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: you rate Dana Brown?

618
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: The Kyle Tucker trade looks pretty good. Even though Kyle

619
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: Tucker is hitting home run every day. You got you

620
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: got three guys that are on your major league roster.

621
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. I mean, so much of being a

622
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: GM is the things that you don't do, which is

623
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: hard to quantify. You know, we saw Ralph Alman Montero

624
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: come in last night twenty million dollars or whatever he's

625
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: making and give up two runs. So a lot of

626
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the decisions you make are just the

627
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: ones that don't handicap your team. But I mean, I

628
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: think overall, he's done. He's done a good job. I

629
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: can't point to anything that that I would say, like

630
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: what are you thinking? Or you know, this doesn't make

631
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: any sense. It's it's not like we've seen a Luca

632
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: trade or anything. From from Dana Brown. Nobody's yelling at

633
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: at things that he's done. And really, Dana Brown's value

634
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: is in stuff that we haven't even been able to

635
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: see yet, because it's hisfting that that we haven't really

636
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: seen come to fruition yet. So the the real answer

637
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: to that is going to be in a couple of

638
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: years when we see the guys that he's drafted and

639
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: how they turn out.

640
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I think it's I think it's a

641
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: big incomplete right now. I don't think you can give

642
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 3: a letter grade at this point. I think it's also

643
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: worth noting that, you know, you can't evaluate a GM

644
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: with also without also like talking about maybe some of

645
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: the constraints or maybe some of what he has to

646
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: deal with from above. You know, Jim Crane is not

647
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: the easiest owner to work for, But Jim Crane does

648
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: appear to have let Dana Brown really run things autonomously,

649
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: which is not something that went on when James Click

650
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: was here. Let's face it, you know, you look at

651
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: their moves this winter. They dumped Ryan Presley's salary, They

652
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Speaker 3: traded Kyle Tucker because they knew that they were never

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Speaker 3: going to have a prayer of extending him. It's pretty

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Speaker 3: clear that they're being mindful of the like tree tax

655
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Speaker 3: and where they are positioned with the tax. Jim Crane

656
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Speaker 3: was asked about this on opening day and said basically, like,

657
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Speaker 3: we don't really consider that a determining factor, but actions

658
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: sometimes speak louder than words. So you kind of wonder too,

659
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Speaker 3: like how much freedoms Dana Brown had to really go

660
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Speaker 3: out and you know, spend lavishly. Not that this team

661
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Speaker 3: has ever spent in free agency lavishly, but I mean,

662
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Speaker 3: I think the one thing you can say about Dana

663
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: is he has really made his mark in being aggressive,

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Speaker 3: Like Nolan Arnatto like turned down and two days later

665
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: they'd signed Christian Walker. They I mean, I mean, he

666
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 3: forecasted at the winter meetings that Kyle Tucker and Fromer

667
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: Valdez were available, and two days later Kyle Tucker was traded.

668
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Speaker 3: He kind of zeros in on what he wants done

669
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Speaker 3: and it gets done like that. And I think there

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Speaker 3: is something to be said that during Dana's tenure, they

671
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: have given the longest and most lucrative free agent deal

672
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: of Jim Crane's ownership tenure. They have traded Kyle Tucker

673
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: the sort of move that has not been done here

674
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Speaker 3: since Ed Wade basically twenty eleven. They've done some things

675
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Speaker 3: that are that are unprecedented in the Crane era, which

676
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Speaker 3: means that you know, Jim Crane probably put a lot

677
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Speaker 3: of trust in him, and that Dana Brown has found

678
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: a way or Dana Brown has found a way to

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Speaker 3: explain this stuff to Jim Crane that allows him to

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00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: give him the Okay, So we can debate about whether

681
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: that long lucrative free agent deal to Josh Hater was

682
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: a wise investment, you know, not great to tie up

683
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Speaker 3: ninety five million dollars into a closer unless he is

684
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Speaker 3: the sort of just knock down, automatic, shut the door,

685
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Speaker 3: three outs. We have not seen that from Josh Hater

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Speaker 3: in the life of this tame.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but what would they actuals look like if they

688
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Speaker 1: did not have Josh Hater on their team? How terrified

689
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Speaker 1: would you be going into this season if all you

690
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: had in the back end of the bullpen was Brian Abray,

691
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Speaker 1: you and maybe the ghost of Ryan Presley.

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Speaker 2: I guess sometimes you have to pay.

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Speaker 1: People money that are really good at baseball.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'd counter with I would trust the Astros

695
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: pitching development in infrastructure to find someone that they can

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Speaker 3: turn into an elite, an elite back end reliever. Because look,

697
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Speaker 3: that's how smart teams operate, like the Mariners, the Guardians, Like,

698
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Speaker 3: they don't go out and spend one hundred million dollars

699
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: on a closer like the Mets did. But the Mets

700
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: have Steve Cohen, like the Guardians and the Mariners, and

701
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: these teams with good pitching development infrastructures, like, they get

702
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: these random guys that no one's really ever heard of,

703
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: and they become unbelievable weapons out of the back end

704
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Speaker 3: of the bullpen. And more importantly, they're cost controlled. They're

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Speaker 3: under team control for a while, and you don't have

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Speaker 3: to go out and tie up ninety five to one

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Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. So I guess that would be my

708
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: counter is that, but you run that risk. But if

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Speaker 3: you don't have Josh, Josh Hater is a more definitive,

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Speaker 3: like standout name in the back.

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Speaker 1: So they're doing though. I mean, Hunter Brown again is

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Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. You know, Renel Blanco came out

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00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: of nowhere, Ron Berveldez came out of you know, the

714
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Speaker 1: Astros are still doing that it's not like they've had

715
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Speaker 1: to fill the entire team with that. The Christian Walker

716
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: signing already looks so good. I mean, that would be

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Speaker 1: a black hole on the Astros roster without him at

718
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Speaker 1: first base. That one looks good. You know, the team

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Speaker 1: is constructed well despite the kind of roster constraints that

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Speaker 1: that they were under coming into this year, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that there's still this competitive having lost Bregman, Tucker

722
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Speaker 1: and Presley, I think really speaks to Dana Brown.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's not forget that Dana Brown inherited almost

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Speaker 3: forty million dollars of dead money and jose O braw

725
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Speaker 3: and Rafael Montero. When he took the job, it wasn't

726
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Speaker 3: dead money yet, but we learned very quickly right to

727
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: the job that it would be dead money. So again,

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Speaker 3: I think we have to take that into consideration too,

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Speaker 3: that he's been operating with some constraints that are that

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Speaker 3: are that are out of his control. I mean, he

731
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Speaker 3: can't control that the owner gave two bad contracts and

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Speaker 3: doesn't like going over the CBT and because of that,

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Speaker 3: they're they're strained there. He's got to sit on his

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Speaker 3: hands on a couple of things. So I think when

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Speaker 3: we when you talk about evaluating a GM like that,

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Speaker 3: you have to take all of that into account. But

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Speaker 3: like you said, I think what you said is spot

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Speaker 3: on that we won't know really until three four years

739
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: down the road, when we see Walker Yannick, when we

740
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: see Bryce Matthews, when we see maybe how the Kakuchi

741
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: trade ages. How does Jake Bloss do in Toronto? How

742
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 3: does Will Wagner end up in Toronto? Like we'll see

743
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: maybe three four years down theread. So the cop out

744
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 3: answer to that question is ask me in four years

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00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: and if Dana Brown is still employed.

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Speaker 2: We can talk about it. All right.

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Speaker 3: One last mail bag question before we get out of here.

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Speaker 3: The appropriately named Force Whitley Cy Young on X the

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Speaker 3: Everything app. What do you guys think happens to the

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Speaker 3: staff and MC and Whitley come back? Sounds ridiculous as

751
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: I say it, but still yeah. So I think Force

752
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: Whitley is far closer to returning to this team than

753
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Speaker 3: Lance mccullors. Mccullor's made his first rehabs start with Sugarland

754
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 3: on Sunday. Through two innings, struck out the side and

755
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Speaker 3: the first inning, second inning command was all over the place,

756
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Speaker 3: but he's about.

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00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: A month away.

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Speaker 3: As far as Whitley, there's two guys in the major

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Speaker 3: league bullpen that have options right now, and it's Ryan

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Speaker 3: Gusto and Louis Contreras. I would imagine both of those

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Speaker 3: guys get sent out when Force Whitley and Caleb ort

762
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Speaker 3: are ready to return. Now, we don't know what the

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Speaker 3: complexion of the team's going to look like at the

764
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Speaker 3: time when they're ready to return. Maybe they need a

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Speaker 3: long man and they keep Ryan Gusto around. Maybe Louise

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Speaker 3: Contrara's like, look, they've given Luis Contraras some leverage style innings,

767
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Speaker 3: like he hasn't been the mop up guy, so maybe

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Speaker 3: he's pitching well enough that you know, he keeps the spot.

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Speaker 3: And you know you mentioned Rafael Montero earlier, Tyler. The

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Speaker 3: fact that the Astros played a three game series against

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Speaker 3: the Mets where the aggregate score was six to five

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Speaker 3: and every reliever but Gusto, the long guy, didn't pitch,

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Speaker 3: and the only other guy that didn't pitch was Montero.

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Speaker 3: That shows you where he is and their circle of trust.

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Speaker 3: He's not in it. I mean, Joe Spot had tried

776
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Speaker 3: to get three outs from him last night, trailing by

777
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Speaker 3: three in the eighth inning, they ended up trailing by

778
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Speaker 3: five going into the ninth inning. He's he's not adding

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Speaker 3: a ton of value. I would not be stunned if

780
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: you know, they defeated him once already. I wouldn't be

781
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: stunned if they get I think the most the easiest

782
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Speaker 3: route from when Whitley comes back is sending out one

783
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Speaker 3: of Gusto or Contrera's.

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Speaker 2: But if they're in.

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Speaker 3: A position where they need bulk, they need innings, or

786
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Speaker 3: Luis Contras is pitching well, like Raphael, Montero's the odd

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Speaker 3: man out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, it's funny that he said. It feels

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Speaker 1: weird saying it, because I feel like every year we say, hey,

790
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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen when fors Whitland Lands mccullors start pitching.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's get to that point first. Let's let's

792
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: see him pitch and uh, and see what happens from there.

793
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, they've got they've got a little flexibility. But

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Speaker 1: like you said, my color is still a ways away.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I don't think Montero is long

796
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Speaker 1: for the Astros here unless something changes quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one. So one thing to amend to what I

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Speaker 3: just said. Brian King has options too, But Brian King

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Speaker 3: is their seventh in a guy right now, so he's

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Speaker 3: not going anywhere, right He asked about mccullors. For when

801
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: mccullors comes back again, we're about a month away from that.

802
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: I don't want to start looking at when I could

803
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 3: go to a six man when they couldn't, because again

804
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: with mccullors, you don't want to start putting timelines and

805
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: specific dates because again I think they're just going one

806
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: day at a time with him. But Tyler, my overall

807
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: thought is that like by the time he's ready to

808
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: come back, and again knock on what I hope this

809
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 3: doesn't happen, But by the time he's ready to come back,

810
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: someone will have woken up with elbow or shoulder soreness,

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Speaker 3: someone will have fatigue of some sort of need a break,

812
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Speaker 3: or someone won't be pitching well and they'll be able

813
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Speaker 3: to just you know, whether it's Renal Blanco or Hayden

814
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Speaker 3: was Nescy, those look like the top two candidates. Like

815
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: was Neski has substantial bullpen experience. You can put him

816
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: in the bullpen as a swingman or now Blanco was

817
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 3: pitched out of the bullpen before, so there are ways

818
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: they can do it, but I think we're ways away

819
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Speaker 3: from thinking about what this rotation looks like with Lance

820
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Speaker 3: mccollors in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd like to see two doubles in a game

822
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Speaker 1: first before we start worrying about where Lance mccolors it's

823
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: going to be in the rotation. Let's fix that part first.

824
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Speaker 3: And who knows, maybe we'll see that tonight at Dyke

825
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: in Park when Logan web faces Hayden. Hayden was Neskey

826
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Speaker 3: making his Dike in Park regular season debut.

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Speaker 2: It'll be a cool moment for him.

828
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Speaker 3: A guy that from Houston went to Sam Houston State,

829
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 3: you know, a guy that is really happy to beat

830
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: him up. He's really happy to be here, happy to

831
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: be back in Houston. Speaking of size, he went to

832
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Speaker 3: cy Fair, not Cyprus Fair, Syfair, Okay, different one. So

833
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I don't know if he'll have ninety people

834
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: in the stands like Jordan Hicks did, but I think

835
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: he'll have a substantial showing tonight as he faces Logan

836
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: Webb to see if maybe he can get some run support.

837
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: Maybe the Astros breakout against Logan Web, but gonna be

838
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 3: a tough challenge for them. Torpedo bats or no torpedo bats,

839
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Speaker 3: but we will see what happens tonight. We will be

840
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: back with you on Friday with Josh Reddick from Minnesota

841
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: after the Astros play the Twins and their home opener

842
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: on Thursday, off day Friday and Minnesota will come back

843
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: then talk to Josh about torpedo bats. We'll talk about

844
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: the start to the season and see where he kind

845
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: of sits with this team early in the season. So

846
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 3: appreciate all the mailbad questions today guys, and they were great.

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