WEBVTT - Better Offline CES 2025: Day 2 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:06.600 Also media Chosen by God, perfected by Science. My name 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:20.560 is said Zeitron. You're listening to Better Offline. This is 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.840 day one technically, but really day two of the Better 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.240 Offline CES Saga, the Consumer Electronics Show. Here from beautiful 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:32.760 Las Vegas, Nevada. My home, I my van helsing like curse, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.400 but also my job. I must be in Vegas. Our 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.440 beautiful slot machines must be filled with beautiful dollars. I 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.000 am joined today by a remarkable coterie of people. Edon 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.440 Graiso Junior, of course, joins me for another episode. ED 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.240 lovely to see you. It's really great to be back. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.159 Thanks for having me again. So just before we go 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.680 any further, as people think, why did I say that 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.160 at the beginning, other than the fact it's true, where 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.880 did you hear? The phrase Chosen by God, perfected by Science. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:00.320 Today was on a. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:06.440 Giant a giant banner above CES on the Venetian Expo floor. 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:07.160 Nice. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:12.600 It was advertisement for germ Pass, which is this automatic 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:19.960 ultraviolent light technology that automatically kills ninety nine point ninety 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.240 nine percent of germs on any high touch surface. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:27.679 Right, so to my right sets Philip Broughton, who is 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:29.560 going to tell you what he does. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.320 So Hi, I'm Phil Broddon. I am a health physicist, 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:39.280 which means radiation safety and laser safety officer, which means 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.800 I deal with the entire electromagnetic spectrum from gamma rays 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.039 all the way down to radio. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.319 And Phil is also the bartender for the Sweet So 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.520 if you somehow came to episode two of the Cees Saga, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.240 I don't know why you would do this. This isn't 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.440 like a there's not like a chroninal, there's not a 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.480 plot to follow. I guess you could jump anyway, but 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.760 like you probably start episode one anyway. We're in the 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.720 bu Venetians suite. We're in a recessed area, separate room. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.920 On the side. We are running a suite with Boost 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.000 for journalists all weeks. Tons of places to sit down 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:12.040 and me, which is why no one's toning up. But nevertheless, 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.440 we are also recording a podcast and Phil, Phil and 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.880 I have been doing this eight it's eight times now. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.160 This is the eighth time been doing it since twenty fifteen. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.360 And we love doing it. It's a Phil takes vacation 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.640 time from his job elsewhere, and yeah, it's great. And 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.800 also Phil's other thing he likes to do is a 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:36.280 suffer torment. He likes to suffer pain at all times. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.280 Because Phil is a safety man and is well aware 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.320 of things like codes and laws and stuff and regulations, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.519 and so, Phil, you may make a record this year. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.000 It's every year by Wednesday, someone has brought you something 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.920 that required you to call the fire marshal. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.560 Yeah, that's why. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:55.840 Is that? 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:02.840 Because sometimes people lie on their applications. They lie when they're. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.120 That applications will walk by. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.960 Oh, so everyone who has a booth at CES is 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.960 required to submit how many square feet they're gonna have, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:16.280 what utilities they're gonna need, and any hazardous things they 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.240 might bring to the floor to the people who run 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:24.040 the show, who then are required to tell the fire marshal. 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.079 And the fire marshal then comes back and goes, oh, 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:31.640 you've added rabid, flaming, radioactive gerbils to the show. That 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.360 changes the occupancy we're allowed to have in this building. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.320 So please don't do them well. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.880 And then they lie, and so what do you usually 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.160 tell the fire marshal. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:49.320 So what comes to me is a journalist will say, Hey, Phil, 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:50.520 one could I get to drink? 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:51.200 Two? 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.080 I saw a thing and I don't think it was 0:03:55.160 --> 0:04:00.920 okay or m that seemed dangerous and I'm worried. No, okay, 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.760 so what do you have? Where did you see this? Roughly? 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.000 Let me go ahead and pull up the CES map 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.520 of all the vendors. Oh, you're on that corner of 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.240 that aisle. Cool. Let me go make a call. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.600 So has anyone been like arrested for this if they've 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.359 been like taken off the floor, Like, what are the 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:22.480 consequences of. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:23.840 The far removed from the floor. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.440 Yeah, that's fun arrested. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.520 No, but you end up forfeiting your fees and you 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.920 don't get to present anymore for the rest of that show, 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.080 or they take the dangerous thing away. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.400 I think that maybe, based on what Ed will be 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.840 telling us about in a little bit, I think we 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.760 should maybe remove all of the booths from CS. 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:44.920 Like. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.279 It sounds like that might be a good idea. But 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.360 before we get to that, we're also joined by a 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.240 man of the clergy. So for some reason, and I 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.080 really mean this, I do not fucking know, we have 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.719 a priest that joins us, father Gabriel Mosher, who joins 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.880 me I left and weirdly connected with the tech media 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:05.440 as well. But you just kind of show up in 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.560 the robes, not complaining. Just I really do not remember why. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.839 I have no idea how this all got started. But 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:13.200 it was also ten years ago? 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.640 Was it ten years ago? Not fucking hell? Anyway, I 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.520 age every day. But like, do you know how he 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:19.920 got here? 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:21.360 Yes? I paid for his flight. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.599 I'm know where buddy. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.000 Hell, you know, I think part of it was I, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.640 especially back then, I was connected to quite a few 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.640 sort of like tech people and whatnot. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.159 Right, Yeah, and we figured might as well. Yes, so, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.919 And just to be clear, you have no worldly possessions 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:40.359 other than those which are given to you. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:41.280 Correct, pretty much. 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.719 Yeah, that's great. Would you describe cs as sinful or 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.160 not sinful? Depends depends on which party you go to. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:54.400 I mean the convention, I mean that exactly. Enough about Yo, No, 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.000 this is a scobullless zone. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.640 No, I think it's great unless you you think that, 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.200 you know, technology going to save you from everything. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.160 But yeah, no, it's it's interesting. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:07.480 I find, you know, the whole idea of these various 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.479 people trying to develop innovations to make life a little 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.479 bit better, a little bit more convenient, to be a 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.559 good thing. I mean, it's that's just that's just human nature. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.039 It's great unless they are a bunch of liars, which 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:18.800 they are half the time. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:24.000 And talking of liars, so the there is an article 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.520 in the New York Times at the moment about priests 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.279 that using chat GPTM to make sermons. How do you 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:31.200 feel about that? So? 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:32.680 I think that's pretty lame. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:34.560 Do you think is it sacrilegious? 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:34.760 No? 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:35.839 But why not? 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.360 Well, it's just like if you're going to use chatgybt, 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.000 for instance, to create sort of the outline of a 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:42.599 book or something like that, I think that's fine. But 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.000 if you're if you're using if you're using chatgybt to 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.320 like write your sermon as a whole, then you've failed. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:50.799 It's just like writing your term paper. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.680 Okay, So very specific question though, So if it hallucinated 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.839 a verse of the Bible? M hm, would that be 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.039 like a false idol situation? Would that actually be a sin? No? 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.400 I mean I mean not from the chatgybt because it's 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.200 not like no, no for the person publishing person. Yeah, sure, 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.320 I mean yeah, that would be that would be pretty lame. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.560 I mean you would you would definitely be trying to 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.480 like lead people into like weird places, and yeah, this. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.120 Is this is how I imagine that's also bad. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.320 Who knows? I mean, I don't know. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.480 I means this is why the show is happening. We 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.640 need to Yeah, it's just the and that article was 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.080 I don't know why it had to. It's one of 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:28.200 those things you read and you're like. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:29.760 I've got to read this article. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.520 It's not great. It's weirdly well reported, like it's the 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.840 guy went out and like really reported the ship out 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.680 of it. But it was just like, Okay, a bunch 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.160 of people who believe in something that not everyone believes in, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.840 believe in another thing that let even less people believe 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:45.480 it lots of people spend more money on. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.880 But I can tell you, like most preaching is pretty terrible, 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.000 so this might actually be a notch up. So anyway, yeah, 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.920 you think, I mean preaching is pretty bad these days, is. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.800 Not that fucking point? Looking at that, you would think 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.560 it's why I can't go into churches other than the 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:04.000 burning so terrible. Yeah, mister W. Gwisner, Junia, tell us 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.560 a little bit about what you've seen today on the floor. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.720 All right, Well, you know, I scanned a bit for 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.480 a while because I was trying to find something that 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:10.960 spoke to me. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:11.320 First. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.120 I went for these healthcare management devices for two reasons. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.440 I won. You know, my coach Jaythan on This Machine 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.560 Kills podcastant on This Machine Kills podcast not introduce you. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.280 I'm so sorry, totally fine. 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.040 You know, listen to the first episode, everybody, and then 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:29.960 the second one and. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:30.920 Then the other podcast. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:31.200 Right. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:36.800 Yeah, you know, Jaythan writes a lot about network devices 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.320 and mythologies behind them, and that was one of the 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.960 courts subjects of his first book, and so I pulled 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.760 into that for that reason. Also because you know, my 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:49.040 partner uses medical devices to monitor glue close levels since 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.199 they're diabetics, so I'm always interested. I've been increasingly interested 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.480 in them because you know, these devices don't really work, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.240 and so when I see innovative offerings or well. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.160 You know, actual devices are qualified and do work with 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.920 but health management aids aren't real. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:08.920 Yeah, this is what I or what I what I 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.360 should say, is that their devices work, but there are 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.480 a malfunction regularly at a rate that surprises me considering 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.920 they're supposed to be and are necessary, you know, for 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:25.360 staying within a healthy range for blood sugar. But the 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.319 health management aids, you know, they offer. They present themselves 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:35.600 as more aggressive solves, as preventative healthcare mechanisms, right as 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:36.240 ways to. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.319 Overhaul your entire lifestyle. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.559 So I was on the lookout for a lot of 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.800 these because I've been interested in them increasingly, in writing 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.640 about the ways in which they, you know, people are 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.760 encouraged to be healthier or to empower wellness or to 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.560 reward it, and in the ways this data gets you know, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.560 accumulated sent back to insurance companies. So the first first 0:09:55.600 --> 0:10:00.440 one I went to was biopop, which is this sorry, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.640 it's this device that is interesting because obstensively it's it's 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:10.040 it is promising, and it's a non invasive UH device 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.080 healthcare management device that would allow you to get access 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.200 to some biometric, metabolic, you know data. But it uses 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:22.280 uh it uses ultra Sorry, it uses an n I 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:27.079 R spectra spectruc spectroscopy. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:31.320 Spect truck spect truck. I couldn't say it, reader. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:38.400 You're infrared spectroscopy what N I R, yes, M spectrum 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:39.960 spe speculum. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.720 Yes, it activates speak speech. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.840 Just be staring at the abyss the whole time, trying. 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.040 To say And so I came into the booth, you know, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.400 listening to them, you know, listening to them talk to 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.720 other people about it. One of the use cases that 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.000 was offered was, you know, imagine you have a c GM. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.040 There's no expensive, hard to maintain. You can use this 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.439 to monitor your blood glucose because that the only hike 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.599 and monitor right now, you know, implying it to a 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.079 medical device. So I go in and I say, he 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.280 is this a medical device? And he goes, oh, no, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:08.800 it's so. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.280 Cool that they have that. They have to do that. 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.160 Yeah, Actually the healthcare management device that doesn't work if 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.920 you have a lot of melanin in your skin because. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.800 Interesting only tested it on Asians and light. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.720 Skinned people and so it's not in market yet because 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.760 they need to test it out on people from India 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:27.320 and Africa. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.840 And so thankfully there's not that many people. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:33.520 Just a few billions. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:35.920 That's It's like way less than Montana. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.400 So biopop is very interested in helping you improve your 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:43.920 healthcare management uh and empowering you to be a healthier person. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.400 They also want to reward you for doing so. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.920 So they are both on the blockchain and they will 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:49.720 share information. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:55.880 All right, companies understand which blockchain it's is crazy. They 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.360 did not specify. I was listening the whole time, but 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.440 my brain is just like, this is the same shit 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:06.839 you hear blockchain, Yeah, didn't specify one. No, to what end? 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.240 This is the stuff. I will be screaming at them 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:10.160 and say they. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:14.679 Want to encourage users to meet certain to meet certain 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.160 goals and to stay within certain ranges. If you're on 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.880 the blockchain, you might be able to get a reward. Great, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.360 maybe it's a coin in the ecosystem they might create, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.840 maybe it's from somebody at talking, maybe it's more established blockchain. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.240 They also, again are sending the information. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:30.040 To the. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.000 UH, to the insurance, the. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.680 Insurers, because this is how they're going to be able 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:46.479 to you know, kind of they're they're they're trying to avoid. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:46.800 Certification. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.200 No sorry, step back, they're trying to achieve it, and 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.320 they're trying to get an insurance coverage. And they're also 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.640 trying to forgure out a way that they can work 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.120 with or you know, participate in some of these wellness 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.560 programs that are popping up where your insurance coverage is 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:03.960 modulated based on your own personal behavior to kind of 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.920 ensure or regulate or govern govern and how you behave. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.520 Outside so that you just become a healthier person. I 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.880 think it's fucking sick that everything is becoming metro mile now. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.280 Everything is just like and what this kind of sounds like, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.920 and I hate to go a little far, it does 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.000 sound a little eugenics, Jace. It's just like, if we 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.480 all optimize our health, insurance will be cheaper, if we 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.840 have the right numbers, we're the right kind of person. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.760 And there's only one way all that stuff goes. And 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.680 they'll claim that it's an efficiency thing. But I've yet 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.800 all of this. I have a fucking Aura ring on. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.560 I occasionally have an Apple Watch on. Sometimes it even 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.319 reads my heart rate. I have all of this data 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.960 and it's useless. And occasionally United Healthcare will be like, hey, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.960 can you you want to connect your Apple watch to 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.640 us for some reason? Yeah, it's not useless. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.480 You're creating a profile that if you know, they have 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.320 got their hands on it, and we're just rich. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.679 You want to connect that, you want to connect men 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.360 can watch let me see how what you lift? You 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:04.080 lift enough? 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.200 So the real customer is the insurance company, not Yeah. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.920 The real customers who are interested in the data, I mean, 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.000 And that's really also the thing that you'll see with 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:14.319 a lot. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:15.880 I saw a. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:20.400 Lot of healthcare ecosystems and apps and smart tech that 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.880 were purportedly about rewarding you for getting better sleep, rewarding 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.640 you for eating better, rewarding you for meeting certain goals. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.400 But then when you think about what the reward actually 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.400 is or how it's being distributed, what it is is 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.040 that they are going to cut some sort of deal 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.480 with someone who actually wants that data on you. Yeah, 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.280 we'll use that to extract a little bit more profit 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.320 out of you, and then they're also going to give 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.640 you a little bit of that the crumbs of that 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:47.360 value that's being created. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.080 Right, Yeah, this is great. This is also and there 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.000 were lots of companies doing this. Yes, I would say. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.080 Almost every take called health company I saw that was 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.800 using artificial intelligence or was using some sort of rewards 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.920 as them for empowering wellness seems to have a model 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:08.280 that is premised on regulating and governing your behavior so 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.040 that they can generate data about you that would generate 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.840 profits about you and other people that then they could 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.680 give you a small piece of you know, that's or 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.640 you know, another company I actually use the data to 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.480 offer you discounts to other devices and other products that 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:31.560 you could use. So this is we give you a 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:36.320 AI sleep mask and realize you're not sleeping properly because 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.560 of your pillow, so we give you thirty dollars off 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:39.000 the pillow. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.080 Honestly, at this point, my seventh pillow, I actually want 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.680 the computer to try and wat this one out for me. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:45.760 Don't you want a computer in your pillow? And I 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.040 don't know what this AI sleep musk is because I 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.120 sleep with I sleep in an insane way. I have 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.320 like a skull cap on and I have a giant 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.960 eye mask. I must sleep in complete darkness. I also 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.640 like I grab the covers, and I like c into 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.720 a ball at the edge of the bed. My therapist says, 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.680 this is good. Yeah, anyway, an AI sleep mask? What 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:08.640 the fuck would that do? 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.160 Every time one of these things said AI, it's an 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:16.440 app and an algorithm that collects the data, presents it 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.040 to you on a colorful graph, right, maybe gleans or 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:24.520 infers insights about other elements of how you're sleeping eating. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.080 Did they explain any of how this would work? 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.640 No, you know, for example, one place you know? For example, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.080 they said they can offer a way for you to 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.600 reduce mental stress. And I asked how they measure mental 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.160 stress and they say, well, if you got enough of 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.760 our devices in the ecosystem, we can measure. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.200 We can measure physiological. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.360 Things like your heartbeat, we can and how much you sweat, right, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:48.880 and we can say, oh, this is not in the 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.000 usual range for you. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.360 What that is true with me? You're being anxious? You 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.960 know that's yeah? I also I can see it, but 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.600 also I should A person can do this. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.560 Work booze to make that happen is like, I don't know, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:03.640 I don't know how this works. 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.160 Yeah, Like these rewards, what are they so other than 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.840 discounts off of other members of the scam. 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.800 Discounts an unnamed crypto payouts. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.679 This is so sick. This is I would love us 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.760 to dig into the history of these people. Yeah, I 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.040 would love to learn what their previous job was. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.399 I'm hurting over here. You're not stress enough that the 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.000 single one of these things is an fty A certified product. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.000 If Costa Rica, I am going to fucking lose it. Listen. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.360 I would like to know too, because I didn't think 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:37.760 I was going to see crypto. I think we talked 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.000 about it the other day, and you guys are like, 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.280 it's not here, And then what's the first. 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.119 Thing I go blocked? We're on the blockchain that reward. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:46.720 This is the thing, like, it's insane. 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.960 It feels like the one place you wouldn't. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.120 Well they were they were kind of saying that by 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.440 being on the blockchain, your data is secure. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.800 That's not. It's entirely open. Yes, I know less they 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.800 do a private blockchain. Those do exist, at which point 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:02.960 you can ask the question of why don't I use 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.880 any number of other databases that would be more efficient. Yes, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.680 Oh it's immutable. Who cares, No one gives a fuck, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:11.960 So the databases can be like that too. 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:13.640 It's just a trendy word that they can use. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.520 It's not even trendy anymore. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.760 But like ten years ago, right now the people. 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:22.840 Still saying new phone, who dis it's learn and you 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.200 meme and also do another thing. Why is the crew? 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:27.520 I love that that's still legal. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.920 I'm scared it's going to be super leg It's. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:36.040 Going to be super legal. And the FDI super. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.800 Is in like above legal, it's above. 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:43.520 It's encouraged, it's sanctioned by the sanctioned by the Department 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:44.920 of governmental efficiency. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.680 I'm so scared to check Kaiser when I get home 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.639 to see if they're thinking about this. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.600 They what new alert Kaiser private blockchain. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.800 That's a good question though. Did any of these companies 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.240 have any contracts with insurance companies? No? 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.400 Actually, every single one that would talk about this either 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.080 didn't have the product that was offering out in the 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.720 market yet or didn't have a single insured that was 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.640 approval to even work with insurance. 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.360 I just feel like insurance would build these things themselves. 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.359 You would think that, and probably they will. 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.680 Well they just i mean not with the blockchain bullshit, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.280 but they are already building like you know, well established 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.320 data pipelines to get in insights. 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:24.520 I mean. 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.280 One example of this is like cars and car insurance. Right, 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.680 your car is a computer, right, and car insurance have 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.800 a relatively easy time of using your driving behavior to modulate, 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:37.760 you know, what they're going to charge you on a 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.120 basic level, of course, if you do accidents and such, 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.000 but you know, getting to the point where it's like, 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.119 you know, how are you breaking, how are you how 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:45.359 fast you're actually going? 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:45.639 You know. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.600 But another thing is that this this already exists for 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:49.680