Speaker 1: Also media Chosen by God, perfected by Science. My name
Speaker 1: is said Zeitron. You're listening to Better Offline. This is
Speaker 1: day one technically, but really day two of the Better
Speaker 1: Offline CES Saga, the Consumer Electronics Show. Here from beautiful
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada. My home, I my van helsing like curse,
Speaker 1: but also my job. I must be in Vegas. Our
Speaker 1: beautiful slot machines must be filled with beautiful dollars. I
Speaker 1: am joined today by a remarkable coterie of people. Edon
Speaker 1: Graiso Junior, of course, joins me for another episode. ED
Speaker 1: lovely to see you. It's really great to be back.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me again. So just before we go
Speaker 1: any further, as people think, why did I say that
Speaker 1: at the beginning, other than the fact it's true, where
Speaker 1: did you hear? The phrase Chosen by God, perfected by Science.
Speaker 1: Today was on a.
Speaker 2: Giant a giant banner above CES on the Venetian Expo floor.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: It was advertisement for germ Pass, which is this automatic
Speaker 2: ultraviolent light technology that automatically kills ninety nine point ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent of germs on any high touch surface.
Speaker 1: Right, so to my right sets Philip Broughton, who is
Speaker 1: going to tell you what he does.
Speaker 3: So Hi, I'm Phil Broddon. I am a health physicist,
Speaker 3: which means radiation safety and laser safety officer, which means
Speaker 3: I deal with the entire electromagnetic spectrum from gamma rays
Speaker 3: all the way down to radio.
Speaker 1: And Phil is also the bartender for the Sweet So
Speaker 1: if you somehow came to episode two of the Cees Saga,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would do this. This isn't
Speaker 1: like a there's not like a chroninal, there's not a
Speaker 1: plot to follow. I guess you could jump anyway, but
Speaker 1: like you probably start episode one anyway. We're in the
Speaker 1: bu Venetians suite. We're in a recessed area, separate room.
Speaker 1: On the side. We are running a suite with Boost
Speaker 1: for journalists all weeks. Tons of places to sit down
Speaker 1: and me, which is why no one's toning up. But nevertheless,
Speaker 1: we are also recording a podcast and Phil, Phil and
Speaker 1: I have been doing this eight it's eight times now.
Speaker 3: This is the eighth time been doing it since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: And we love doing it. It's a Phil takes vacation
Speaker 1: time from his job elsewhere, and yeah, it's great. And
Speaker 1: also Phil's other thing he likes to do is a
Speaker 1: suffer torment. He likes to suffer pain at all times.
Speaker 1: Because Phil is a safety man and is well aware
Speaker 1: of things like codes and laws and stuff and regulations,
Speaker 1: and so, Phil, you may make a record this year.
Speaker 1: It's every year by Wednesday, someone has brought you something
Speaker 1: that required you to call the fire marshal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 3: Because sometimes people lie on their applications. They lie when they're.
Speaker 1: That applications will walk by.
Speaker 3: Oh, so everyone who has a booth at CES is
Speaker 3: required to submit how many square feet they're gonna have,
Speaker 3: what utilities they're gonna need, and any hazardous things they
Speaker 3: might bring to the floor to the people who run
Speaker 3: the show, who then are required to tell the fire marshal.
Speaker 3: And the fire marshal then comes back and goes, oh,
Speaker 3: you've added rabid, flaming, radioactive gerbils to the show. That
Speaker 3: changes the occupancy we're allowed to have in this building.
Speaker 3: So please don't do them well.
Speaker 1: And then they lie, and so what do you usually
Speaker 1: tell the fire marshal.
Speaker 3: So what comes to me is a journalist will say, Hey, Phil,
Speaker 3: one could I get to drink?
Speaker 1: Two?
Speaker 3: I saw a thing and I don't think it was
Speaker 3: okay or m that seemed dangerous and I'm worried. No, okay,
Speaker 3: so what do you have? Where did you see this? Roughly?
Speaker 3: Let me go ahead and pull up the CES map
Speaker 3: of all the vendors. Oh, you're on that corner of
Speaker 3: that aisle. Cool. Let me go make a call.
Speaker 1: So has anyone been like arrested for this if they've
Speaker 1: been like taken off the floor, Like, what are the
Speaker 1: consequences of.
Speaker 3: The far removed from the floor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fun arrested.
Speaker 3: No, but you end up forfeiting your fees and you
Speaker 3: don't get to present anymore for the rest of that show,
Speaker 3: or they take the dangerous thing away.
Speaker 1: I think that maybe, based on what Ed will be
Speaker 1: telling us about in a little bit, I think we
Speaker 1: should maybe remove all of the booths from CS.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: It sounds like that might be a good idea. But
Speaker 1: before we get to that, we're also joined by a
Speaker 1: man of the clergy. So for some reason, and I
Speaker 1: really mean this, I do not fucking know, we have
Speaker 1: a priest that joins us, father Gabriel Mosher, who joins
Speaker 1: me I left and weirdly connected with the tech media
Speaker 1: as well. But you just kind of show up in
Speaker 1: the robes, not complaining. Just I really do not remember why.
Speaker 5: I have no idea how this all got started. But
Speaker 5: it was also ten years ago?
Speaker 1: Was it ten years ago? Not fucking hell? Anyway, I
Speaker 1: age every day. But like, do you know how he
Speaker 1: got here?
Speaker 3: Yes? I paid for his flight.
Speaker 1: I'm know where buddy.
Speaker 5: Hell, you know, I think part of it was I,
Speaker 5: especially back then, I was connected to quite a few
Speaker 5: sort of like tech people and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and we figured might as well. Yes, so,
Speaker 1: And just to be clear, you have no worldly possessions
Speaker 1: other than those which are given to you.
Speaker 4: Correct, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Would you describe cs as sinful or
Speaker 1: not sinful? Depends depends on which party you go to.
Speaker 1: I mean the convention, I mean that exactly. Enough about Yo, No,
Speaker 1: this is a scobullless zone.
Speaker 5: No, I think it's great unless you you think that,
Speaker 5: you know, technology going to save you from everything.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 5: I find, you know, the whole idea of these various
Speaker 5: people trying to develop innovations to make life a little
Speaker 5: bit better, a little bit more convenient, to be a
Speaker 5: good thing. I mean, it's that's just that's just human nature.
Speaker 5: It's great unless they are a bunch of liars, which
Speaker 5: they are half the time.
Speaker 1: And talking of liars, so the there is an article
Speaker 1: in the New York Times at the moment about priests
Speaker 1: that using chat GPTM to make sermons. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about that? So?
Speaker 4: I think that's pretty lame.
Speaker 1: Do you think is it sacrilegious?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: But why not?
Speaker 5: Well, it's just like if you're going to use chatgybt,
Speaker 5: for instance, to create sort of the outline of a
Speaker 5: book or something like that, I think that's fine. But
Speaker 5: if you're if you're using if you're using chatgybt to
Speaker 5: like write your sermon as a whole, then you've failed.
Speaker 4: It's just like writing your term paper.
Speaker 1: Okay, So very specific question though, So if it hallucinated
Speaker 1: a verse of the Bible? M hm, would that be
Speaker 1: like a false idol situation? Would that actually be a sin? No?
Speaker 5: I mean I mean not from the chatgybt because it's
Speaker 5: not like no, no for the person publishing person. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, that would be that would be pretty lame.
Speaker 5: I mean you would you would definitely be trying to
Speaker 5: like lead people into like weird places, and yeah, this.
Speaker 1: Is this is how I imagine that's also bad.
Speaker 4: Who knows? I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I means this is why the show is happening. We
Speaker 1: need to Yeah, it's just the and that article was
Speaker 1: I don't know why it had to. It's one of
Speaker 1: those things you read and you're like.
Speaker 4: I've got to read this article.
Speaker 1: It's not great. It's weirdly well reported, like it's the
Speaker 1: guy went out and like really reported the ship out
Speaker 1: of it. But it was just like, Okay, a bunch
Speaker 1: of people who believe in something that not everyone believes in,
Speaker 1: believe in another thing that let even less people believe
Speaker 1: it lots of people spend more money on.
Speaker 5: But I can tell you, like most preaching is pretty terrible,
Speaker 5: so this might actually be a notch up. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 5: you think, I mean preaching is pretty bad these days, is.
Speaker 1: Not that fucking point? Looking at that, you would think
Speaker 1: it's why I can't go into churches other than the
Speaker 1: burning so terrible. Yeah, mister W. Gwisner, Junia, tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about what you've seen today on the floor.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, you know, I scanned a bit for
Speaker 2: a while because I was trying to find something that
Speaker 2: spoke to me.
Speaker 1: First.
Speaker 2: I went for these healthcare management devices for two reasons.
Speaker 1: I won. You know, my coach Jaythan on This Machine
Speaker 1: Kills podcastant on This Machine Kills podcast not introduce you.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, totally fine.
Speaker 2: You know, listen to the first episode, everybody, and then
Speaker 2: the second one and.
Speaker 3: Then the other podcast.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Jaythan writes a lot about network devices
Speaker 2: and mythologies behind them, and that was one of the
Speaker 2: courts subjects of his first book, and so I pulled
Speaker 2: into that for that reason. Also because you know, my
Speaker 2: partner uses medical devices to monitor glue close levels since
Speaker 2: they're diabetics, so I'm always interested. I've been increasingly interested
Speaker 2: in them because you know, these devices don't really work,
Speaker 2: and so when I see innovative offerings or well.
Speaker 3: You know, actual devices are qualified and do work with
Speaker 3: but health management aids aren't real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what I or what I what I
Speaker 2: should say, is that their devices work, but there are
Speaker 2: a malfunction regularly at a rate that surprises me considering
Speaker 2: they're supposed to be and are necessary, you know, for
Speaker 2: staying within a healthy range for blood sugar. But the
Speaker 2: health management aids, you know, they offer. They present themselves
Speaker 2: as more aggressive solves, as preventative healthcare mechanisms, right as
Speaker 2: ways to.
Speaker 1: Overhaul your entire lifestyle.
Speaker 2: So I was on the lookout for a lot of
Speaker 2: these because I've been interested in them increasingly, in writing
Speaker 2: about the ways in which they, you know, people are
Speaker 2: encouraged to be healthier or to empower wellness or to
Speaker 2: reward it, and in the ways this data gets you know,
Speaker 2: accumulated sent back to insurance companies. So the first first
Speaker 2: one I went to was biopop, which is this sorry,
Speaker 2: it's this device that is interesting because obstensively it's it's
Speaker 2: it is promising, and it's a non invasive UH device
Speaker 2: healthcare management device that would allow you to get access
Speaker 2: to some biometric, metabolic, you know data. But it uses
Speaker 2: uh it uses ultra Sorry, it uses an n I
Speaker 2: R spectra spectruc spectroscopy.
Speaker 1: Spect truck spect truck. I couldn't say it, reader.
Speaker 3: You're infrared spectroscopy what N I R, yes, M spectrum
Speaker 3: spe speculum.
Speaker 4: Yes, it activates speak speech.
Speaker 1: Just be staring at the abyss the whole time, trying.
Speaker 2: To say And so I came into the booth, you know,
Speaker 2: listening to them, you know, listening to them talk to
Speaker 2: other people about it. One of the use cases that
Speaker 2: was offered was, you know, imagine you have a c GM.
Speaker 2: There's no expensive, hard to maintain. You can use this
Speaker 2: to monitor your blood glucose because that the only hike
Speaker 2: and monitor right now, you know, implying it to a
Speaker 2: medical device. So I go in and I say, he
Speaker 2: is this a medical device? And he goes, oh, no,
Speaker 2: it's so.
Speaker 1: Cool that they have that. They have to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually the healthcare management device that doesn't work if
Speaker 2: you have a lot of melanin in your skin because.
Speaker 1: Interesting only tested it on Asians and light.
Speaker 2: Skinned people and so it's not in market yet because
Speaker 2: they need to test it out on people from India
Speaker 2: and Africa.
Speaker 1: And so thankfully there's not that many people.
Speaker 3: Just a few billions.
Speaker 1: That's It's like way less than Montana.
Speaker 2: So biopop is very interested in helping you improve your
Speaker 2: healthcare management uh and empowering you to be a healthier person.
Speaker 1: They also want to reward you for doing so.
Speaker 2: So they are both on the blockchain and they will
Speaker 2: share information.
Speaker 1: All right, companies understand which blockchain it's is crazy. They
Speaker 1: did not specify. I was listening the whole time, but
Speaker 1: my brain is just like, this is the same shit
Speaker 1: you hear blockchain, Yeah, didn't specify one. No, to what end?
Speaker 1: This is the stuff. I will be screaming at them
Speaker 1: and say they.
Speaker 2: Want to encourage users to meet certain to meet certain
Speaker 2: goals and to stay within certain ranges. If you're on
Speaker 2: the blockchain, you might be able to get a reward. Great,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a coin in the ecosystem they might create,
Speaker 2: maybe it's from somebody at talking, maybe it's more established blockchain.
Speaker 2: They also, again are sending the information.
Speaker 4: To the.
Speaker 1: UH, to the insurance, the.
Speaker 2: Insurers, because this is how they're going to be able
Speaker 2: to you know, kind of they're they're they're trying to avoid.
Speaker 3: Certification.
Speaker 2: No sorry, step back, they're trying to achieve it, and
Speaker 2: they're trying to get an insurance coverage. And they're also
Speaker 2: trying to forgure out a way that they can work
Speaker 2: with or you know, participate in some of these wellness
Speaker 2: programs that are popping up where your insurance coverage is
Speaker 2: modulated based on your own personal behavior to kind of
Speaker 2: ensure or regulate or govern govern and how you behave.
Speaker 1: Outside so that you just become a healthier person. I
Speaker 1: think it's fucking sick that everything is becoming metro mile now.
Speaker 1: Everything is just like and what this kind of sounds like,
Speaker 1: and I hate to go a little far, it does
Speaker 1: sound a little eugenics, Jace. It's just like, if we
Speaker 1: all optimize our health, insurance will be cheaper, if we
Speaker 1: have the right numbers, we're the right kind of person.
Speaker 1: And there's only one way all that stuff goes. And
Speaker 1: they'll claim that it's an efficiency thing. But I've yet
Speaker 1: all of this. I have a fucking Aura ring on.
Speaker 1: I occasionally have an Apple Watch on. Sometimes it even
Speaker 1: reads my heart rate. I have all of this data
Speaker 1: and it's useless. And occasionally United Healthcare will be like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you you want to connect your Apple watch to
Speaker 1: us for some reason? Yeah, it's not useless.
Speaker 2: You're creating a profile that if you know, they have
Speaker 2: got their hands on it, and we're just rich.
Speaker 1: You want to connect that, you want to connect men
Speaker 1: can watch let me see how what you lift? You
Speaker 1: lift enough?
Speaker 3: So the real customer is the insurance company, not Yeah.
Speaker 2: The real customers who are interested in the data, I mean,
Speaker 2: And that's really also the thing that you'll see with
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: I saw a.
Speaker 2: Lot of healthcare ecosystems and apps and smart tech that
Speaker 2: were purportedly about rewarding you for getting better sleep, rewarding
Speaker 2: you for eating better, rewarding you for meeting certain goals.
Speaker 2: But then when you think about what the reward actually
Speaker 2: is or how it's being distributed, what it is is
Speaker 2: that they are going to cut some sort of deal
Speaker 2: with someone who actually wants that data on you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll use that to extract a little bit more profit
Speaker 2: out of you, and then they're also going to give
Speaker 2: you a little bit of that the crumbs of that
Speaker 2: value that's being created.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, this is great. This is also and there
Speaker 1: were lots of companies doing this. Yes, I would say.
Speaker 2: Almost every take called health company I saw that was
Speaker 2: using artificial intelligence or was using some sort of rewards
Speaker 2: as them for empowering wellness seems to have a model
Speaker 2: that is premised on regulating and governing your behavior so
Speaker 2: that they can generate data about you that would generate
Speaker 2: profits about you and other people that then they could
Speaker 2: give you a small piece of you know, that's or
Speaker 2: you know, another company I actually use the data to
Speaker 2: offer you discounts to other devices and other products that
Speaker 2: you could use. So this is we give you a
Speaker 2: AI sleep mask and realize you're not sleeping properly because
Speaker 2: of your pillow, so we give you thirty dollars off
Speaker 2: the pillow.
Speaker 1: Honestly, at this point, my seventh pillow, I actually want
Speaker 1: the computer to try and wat this one out for me.
Speaker 1: Don't you want a computer in your pillow? And I
Speaker 1: don't know what this AI sleep musk is because I
Speaker 1: sleep with I sleep in an insane way. I have
Speaker 1: like a skull cap on and I have a giant
Speaker 1: eye mask. I must sleep in complete darkness. I also
Speaker 1: like I grab the covers, and I like c into
Speaker 1: a ball at the edge of the bed. My therapist says,
Speaker 1: this is good. Yeah, anyway, an AI sleep mask? What
Speaker 1: the fuck would that do?
Speaker 2: Every time one of these things said AI, it's an
Speaker 2: app and an algorithm that collects the data, presents it
Speaker 2: to you on a colorful graph, right, maybe gleans or
Speaker 2: infers insights about other elements of how you're sleeping eating.
Speaker 1: Did they explain any of how this would work?
Speaker 2: No, you know, for example, one place you know? For example,
Speaker 2: they said they can offer a way for you to
Speaker 2: reduce mental stress. And I asked how they measure mental
Speaker 2: stress and they say, well, if you got enough of
Speaker 2: our devices in the ecosystem, we can measure.
Speaker 1: We can measure physiological.
Speaker 2: Things like your heartbeat, we can and how much you sweat, right,
Speaker 2: and we can say, oh, this is not in the
Speaker 2: usual range for you.
Speaker 1: What that is true with me? You're being anxious? You
Speaker 1: know that's yeah? I also I can see it, but
Speaker 1: also I should A person can do this.
Speaker 5: Work booze to make that happen is like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I don't know how this works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like these rewards, what are they so other than
Speaker 1: discounts off of other members of the scam.
Speaker 2: Discounts an unnamed crypto payouts.
Speaker 1: This is so sick. This is I would love us
Speaker 1: to dig into the history of these people. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would love to learn what their previous job was.
Speaker 3: I'm hurting over here. You're not stress enough that the
Speaker 3: single one of these things is an fty A certified product.
Speaker 1: If Costa Rica, I am going to fucking lose it. Listen.
Speaker 2: I would like to know too, because I didn't think
Speaker 2: I was going to see crypto. I think we talked
Speaker 2: about it the other day, and you guys are like,
Speaker 2: it's not here, And then what's the first.
Speaker 1: Thing I go blocked? We're on the blockchain that reward.
Speaker 4: This is the thing, like, it's insane.
Speaker 1: It feels like the one place you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Well they were they were kind of saying that by
Speaker 2: being on the blockchain, your data is secure.
Speaker 1: That's not. It's entirely open. Yes, I know less they
Speaker 1: do a private blockchain. Those do exist, at which point
Speaker 1: you can ask the question of why don't I use
Speaker 1: any number of other databases that would be more efficient. Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh it's immutable. Who cares, No one gives a fuck,
Speaker 1: So the databases can be like that too.
Speaker 4: It's just a trendy word that they can use.
Speaker 1: It's not even trendy anymore.
Speaker 4: But like ten years ago, right now the people.
Speaker 1: Still saying new phone, who dis it's learn and you
Speaker 1: meme and also do another thing. Why is the crew?
Speaker 1: I love that that's still legal.
Speaker 3: I'm scared it's going to be super leg It's.
Speaker 1: Going to be super legal. And the FDI super.
Speaker 4: Is in like above legal, it's above.
Speaker 2: It's encouraged, it's sanctioned by the sanctioned by the Department
Speaker 2: of governmental efficiency.
Speaker 3: I'm so scared to check Kaiser when I get home
Speaker 3: to see if they're thinking about this.
Speaker 4: They what new alert Kaiser private blockchain.
Speaker 1: That's a good question though. Did any of these companies
Speaker 1: have any contracts with insurance companies? No?
Speaker 2: Actually, every single one that would talk about this either
Speaker 2: didn't have the product that was offering out in the
Speaker 2: market yet or didn't have a single insured that was
Speaker 2: approval to even work with insurance.
Speaker 1: I just feel like insurance would build these things themselves.
Speaker 1: You would think that, and probably they will.
Speaker 2: Well they just i mean not with the blockchain bullshit,
Speaker 2: but they are already building like you know, well established
Speaker 2: data pipelines to get in insights.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 2: One example of this is like cars and car insurance. Right,
Speaker 2: your car is a computer, right, and car insurance have
Speaker 2: a relatively easy time of using your driving behavior to modulate,
Speaker 2: you know, what they're going to charge you on a
Speaker 2: basic level, of course, if you do accidents and such,
Speaker 2: but you know, getting to the point where it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, how are you breaking, how are you how
Speaker 2: fast you're actually going?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: But another thing is that this this already exists for
Speaker 5: the insurance companies.
Speaker 4: It might be. Is a thing what semi it's the
Speaker 4: Medical Information Bureau.
Speaker 5: It's it's a housing for all of the medical data
Speaker 5: of everybody that is involved in any medical stuff in
Speaker 5: the United States, and it's all housed University of Michigan.
Speaker 5: I think, okay, so who can access this? This is
Speaker 5: it's effectively supposed to be like metadata for actuaries. And
Speaker 5: so this is why actuarial data for insurance companies is
Speaker 5: so precise and accurate, because they can see all of
Speaker 5: this data and then use it to rate policies.
Speaker 1: So we create like a little surveillance site just so
Speaker 1: the health insurance could continue.
Speaker 5: And this has existed since like the seventies, like sixties
Speaker 5: or seventies.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, well, no, this is people.
Speaker 1: Are piste off about insurance companies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and have been for decades.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's like this isn't new, it's just now
Speaker 5: it's being monetized. I mean it was already being monetized,
Speaker 5: but just in a different way.
Speaker 2: But a different way by a different group of people
Speaker 2: who are trying it. It's unclear if they're trying to
Speaker 2: replicate the thing or build their own infrastructure and products
Speaker 2: around it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, because MiB is the whole point of
Speaker 5: it is and why it's at an academic institution is
Speaker 5: that it's it's a used to be you know, outside
Speaker 5: of outside of industry, right, that's kind of.
Speaker 3: The idea available to everyone, right.
Speaker 5: And so whereas this is now, this is now something
Speaker 5: you can put a patent on, this is something that
Speaker 5: you can Yeah, this is this is shady.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to say the least, To say the least,
Speaker 1: was there anything other than this kind of ship that in.
Speaker 2: The healthcare space, a lot of it was like you
Speaker 2: know what, you know, what's called like, you know, luxury surveillance,
Speaker 2: whor's just like we are gonna pay you know, you're
Speaker 2: gonna pay us for the privilege of giving us a
Speaker 2: continuous stream of your behavioral data so that we can
Speaker 2: figure out a way to give you more cool products
Speaker 2: or you.
Speaker 1: Know, generate some money off of it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, It's beautiful. I love it.
Speaker 2: I think it's a you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 2: it's a genuine value chain.
Speaker 1: That you had me for a second that I was
Speaker 1: I was about to get concerned. Obviously, No, I'm actually
Speaker 1: a gobless. So what else did you see out on
Speaker 1: the on the health flow.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know what else we
Speaker 2: saw we saw, I saw a lot. There's a there's
Speaker 2: an AI baby monitor. Okay, right, yeah, this is this
Speaker 2: for my AI baby or no, it's actually uh for
Speaker 2: your real baby.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the pamphlet that I had, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I actually still have it anymore, but it opens up
Speaker 2: with saying, did you know that you know how many
Speaker 2: kids die from a sudden infanitet syndrome.
Speaker 1: That could be one of your kids.
Speaker 2: The way to prevent that is to use our devices
Speaker 2: so that you can monitor your child if they start
Speaker 2: moving forward.
Speaker 1: And these have existed for so long, like nan it
Speaker 1: is like over a decade, all like the ones for
Speaker 1: like the actual like the feet are very valuable. But
Speaker 1: that's also solved problem. Yes, it is a solved problem, right,
Speaker 1: but they found a new way to solve it because
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Here, it seems, is build an ecosystem.
Speaker 7: Where it's always an ecosystem. Ecosystem we are in Savannah.
Speaker 7: The catalog of products that your baby can have. That product, right,
Speaker 7: Babies love product. Babies are consumers, go.
Speaker 4: For it, you know, well they have eyeballs.
Speaker 2: I mean, so you know, stuff for their eyes, for
Speaker 2: their nose, for the ears, for their breathing.
Speaker 3: Fully online, but these.
Speaker 2: Products just being all separate products, replacement toaste, just.
Speaker 1: Care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's stuff for the ears, AI powder, nails trimmers.
Speaker 1: Oh you found a slop company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have the spine that goes in the base
Speaker 3: of the skull for the matrix and caliber.
Speaker 1: This is an important CEES history things. So there are
Speaker 1: some fascinating companies. The most honest part of CES is
Speaker 1: the crust on the outside. So you go to the
Speaker 1: very ends of CES and it's just like black text
Speaker 1: on white background Chinese companies and it's just like that
Speaker 1: something something electronic corporation and they sell CCTV gear, battery packs,
Speaker 1: miscellaneous plugs and dildos and it is just that you
Speaker 1: can find these every cs and they are the most
Speaker 1: fun to talk today and.
Speaker 4: Give us shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But what Eddie is referring to as a slop
Speaker 1: company where the ones that are not honest enough to
Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, we sell everything, just we're here
Speaker 1: to money launder. I guess not saying the people literally
Speaker 1: at the fine companies that I've kind of named money
Speaker 1: laundered just for the legal purposes. But I feel like
Speaker 1: this one is like trying to pretend they're like doing
Speaker 1: good for the world versus being a wholesaler of baby safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they opened with terror for your baby is going.
Speaker 1: To exactly they sell them fair and also outlet exists.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is the AI part? What's that?
Speaker 2: So that one was literally just monitoring if your child
Speaker 2: is moving and if it doesn't move a loading you
Speaker 2: and that this really has been Yeah, that's been sold
Speaker 2: for a long time, like you said, right, but what's
Speaker 2: they Well that's a great question.
Speaker 1: What is the AI part of that? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: there is actual very like computer vision. Like to be
Speaker 1: clear that official intelligence has been around for a while
Speaker 1: long has actually been working.
Speaker 2: When they say AI, they're implying there is a novel
Speaker 2: thing that is artificial intelligence on top of this and
Speaker 2: an obscurring.
Speaker 1: Versus on top of the actual AI.
Speaker 5: There's already around for a while, like some sort of
Speaker 5: generative is what's going on.
Speaker 1: There's nothing new. They just want they just hope that
Speaker 1: you'll think.
Speaker 3: It's generating a baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this manual, if you look at the back, it
Speaker 1: says twenty seventeen on the.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden you have a new baby. Like,
Speaker 4: it's just like.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's soothing your anxiety. So you can generate
Speaker 2: that m grades.
Speaker 1: You know, that would be a really great way for
Speaker 1: one of these people to sell something, just being like
Speaker 1: you're anxious, you're not able to have sex. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: you need this baby monitoring a surveillance state in your house,
Speaker 1: or of course the wonderful the AI cat litter thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh my god, five G connected. Fuck yeah,
Speaker 1: that means there's an app, isn't that five G's whole
Speaker 1: point that it's like home broad bank connection. But what
Speaker 1: are you streaming? So most other than cat piss Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the thing.
Speaker 2: Almost all of these devices are like, hey, so we
Speaker 2: will give you a nap and in the app you
Speaker 2: can see when your guy gets on and off, how
Speaker 2: much it ships or pisses, and if there's any differences
Speaker 2: in it, and it will give you a mediate alerts,
Speaker 2: right because it's.
Speaker 1: Your cat has ship. Yeah, honestly, what do you You're
Speaker 1: more anxious?
Speaker 4: Pops up like your cat has pooped.
Speaker 1: You're on like a fucking like on a date. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: my cat's not shitting right.
Speaker 3: The weird thing is my partner and I were looking
Speaker 3: at a new cat litter box, and of course they
Speaker 3: all do have that five G integration, and the app
Speaker 3: associate the answer why, And it's a niche cases. Every
Speaker 3: time we have taken the cats to the vet, they've asked,
Speaker 3: do you have a stool sample? How can I tell
Speaker 3: the difference the different turds? Yeah, oh, because I know
Speaker 3: a fresh one has just dropped. Let me go get
Speaker 3: that in the medium so I hear.
Speaker 1: So this is I'm describing this cat litter box.
Speaker 3: How the AI knows which is and.
Speaker 1: Apparently it has multi cat facial recognition.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A friend of the show Hunter Washington Post brought this
Speaker 1: to me yesterday. It was this, Apparently it can tell
Speaker 1: the different cats, so that if you have one sickly
Speaker 1: horrible cat and one beautiful sweet cat, you know which
Speaker 1: one to take to the bed for the last time? No, right,
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 5: Or like if it commits a crime, yeah, ye, so
Speaker 5: that you're the cat stealing.
Speaker 1: All the fucking food outside. But my question as well,
Speaker 1: is this cat litter thing, which is eight hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety nine dollars, by the way, which fucking rocks.
Speaker 3: I assume it has proprietary litter that goes into it
Speaker 3: as well, because that's the consumable.
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't you use it?
Speaker 3: All about I.
Speaker 1: Need a subscription. I assume there's a subscription fee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would be surprised that there was. If there's not,
Speaker 1: I will absolutely fucking lose it. Like why am I
Speaker 1: if I can't pay an extra five dollars a month
Speaker 1: to catgenie dot biz.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well then I don't trust them after that because
Speaker 5: I ever thought through this process clearly, and.
Speaker 2: For some time I was looking at an automatic feeder
Speaker 2: because I had this, I had a schedule and most
Speaker 2: of my roommates are out and friends weren't in town
Speaker 2: where I wasn't able to get someone to watch the
Speaker 2: cat I was like, okay, well, like I can get
Speaker 2: someone to watch them sometimes, maybe I'll get an auto
Speaker 2: non automatic feeder, automatic litter box. And then every single
Speaker 2: one I tried to get there's a fucking app. And
Speaker 2: then when you compare it to the ones that don't
Speaker 2: have the app, it's like a three hundred dollars addition
Speaker 2: to the price for nothing other than like we've been
Speaker 2: talking about, no cat shit, gradual.
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining being like in court and you've you've
Speaker 1: silenced your phone and your judge is turning to me.
Speaker 1: He's about sentence. You're not meant to have your apple watching.
Speaker 1: It's like being catship, just like is it? Is it
Speaker 1: like nest where you get the alert it does and
Speaker 1: show you the video and you drag it down.
Speaker 3: It's just like a big I don't want a video
Speaker 3: of cat ship a.
Speaker 4: Big I'm sorry your honor, but my cat just ship.
Speaker 1: Yelled up your hand. It's wild, mister Tinkling, you know which.
Speaker 2: And it's also so funny because it's like the price
Speaker 2: the price jump.
Speaker 1: Also, it's like a regular litter bar. It's not special.
Speaker 2: Two dollars, three dollars. I mean, it doesn't cost that much,
Speaker 2: but it's just a little special.
Speaker 1: Yes, not thing is not like it's a new kind
Speaker 1: of litter box other than the stuff they've stabled to it.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you're sophisticated buyer, this is not gonna work.
Speaker 3: You love your cats, right, and you love your.
Speaker 1: Cat Your cats must be fancy cats. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: have to be. And they need five g We're throwing
Speaker 1: five dollars off fancy feast. Okay, Now, something just fucking
Speaker 1: occurred to me about this. It's even weirder. They're talking
Speaker 1: about five G. That's a cellular wireless standard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Chinese, which means.
Speaker 1: The cat let the company very well, it's u dirty tech.
Speaker 4: Sovereign citizens are going to come to your house and take.
Speaker 1: Your They're already very unhappy with me. But also it's
Speaker 1: five G. Before the end of the show, can you
Speaker 1: try and get back there just to ask them if
Speaker 1: they mean five G WiFi because that is an egregious
Speaker 1: overstatement because they are people are just like the guys
Speaker 1: here that don't know how anything works. Go, it's got
Speaker 1: five G in it, which they think is like the
Speaker 1: cell phone standard versus this is the show though, this
Speaker 1: is ces we're just describing. Like I know, Casey Kagawa,
Speaker 1: friend of the show as well, was saying to me earlier. Oh, ed,
Speaker 1: the hardware stuff's really cool. It is faster computer now,
Speaker 1: it's great. AI stetis god great? Actually cool is that?
Speaker 4: Actually it's not a happy heartbeats.
Speaker 1: But you can go to a legacy media outlet and
Speaker 1: hear about all the computer stuff that actually matters, because
Speaker 1: that's not really the story of CS. That's the stuff
Speaker 1: that happens kind of outside, and what you have in
Speaker 1: there is people making series of a series of promises
Speaker 1: that have gone through a law firm to make sure
Speaker 1: they're not going to get them in actual trouble hopefully.
Speaker 1: Did you see any Wi Fi grills though?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: Oh buddy, I saw a TV with a chat bot why.
Speaker 3: To help you choose channels?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I saw.
Speaker 2: I saw sex toys that used video games for a
Speaker 2: long distance connection with groups sinking for multiple orgasms.
Speaker 1: They did not promise that ties to the verst that
Speaker 1: I went to they, so I.
Speaker 4: Was I'll never forget this.
Speaker 5: I was at the Indiegog party the first CS and
Speaker 5: I was talking to this folks and they were telling
Speaker 5: me about their technology. Technology was about trying to have
Speaker 5: some sort of tactile response, uh, in a virtual environment.
Speaker 3: Keep in mind talking to a priest in full white.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right, that's right.
Speaker 5: And so this is Chinese folks, right, and so we're
Speaker 5: Chinese company and we're talking about it.
Speaker 4: Was like, man, that's really amazing.
Speaker 5: Technology like that would be great for for like the
Speaker 5: medical industry, Like that would really revolutionize a lot of
Speaker 5: stuff for surgeries and like yeah, yeah, no, but we're
Speaker 5: going into porn because that's where all the money is.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, ten years later, same, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: not taken off thing. Yeah though, I mean it's not scaling.
Speaker 2: There are toys that allow you to have group players
Speaker 2: to see them.
Speaker 1: That's existed for a bit.
Speaker 2: The that I was trying to figure out, the AI element,
Speaker 2: the metas, Yeah, the extended reality part of Wow, of
Speaker 2: the super duper you know, turbero charged flesh lights, Yes,
Speaker 2: the suction dil dos of the uh pro massagers lodged.
Speaker 1: You said, all for the you're going to Caribbean.
Speaker 4: Yea, this is where we need Father Bellasar like the.
Speaker 1: Other member of the clergy that for some reason shows
Speaker 1: up here. But so other than dildos and other than
Speaker 1: health things, any other weird shit, anything loathsome pig.
Speaker 2: Like anything like, oh, there there was a there's an
Speaker 2: app it's called an AI Public Transportation Bell and it's
Speaker 2: and it rings a bell when you're about to get
Speaker 2: to your stop on the bus or train.
Speaker 1: Freaking. There was no one at that booth that I
Speaker 1: was like, this is what you're talking me about.
Speaker 2: The alleged section of the conference where it's just this
Speaker 2: is a front.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, sorry, we're just we're using this for that.
Speaker 1: The serbian gentleman behind you, one that smells of cigarettes.
Speaker 1: That man, that's who we're talking to him. That's our
Speaker 1: one meeting the things that we're here for four days
Speaker 1: to kind of just cover for this. He will kill you.
Speaker 4: Cigarettes and slim of it.
Speaker 1: It's it's so strange that we have a show full
Speaker 1: of this because you kind of see articles about cs
Speaker 1: and it's like fastest computer. There's the three thousand dollars
Speaker 1: AI machine that I should have some of rotters coming
Speaker 1: in to talk about tomorrow. Hell yeah, but in video
Speaker 1: also who knows what they're doing at some point.
Speaker 3: And the eternal Hall of TVs all.
Speaker 1: Of televisions, which are fine, I don't we love the
Speaker 1: big screens and but really it's just so weird how
Speaker 1: much of this stuff is just like fake fake or
Speaker 1: like real, but customer base of like one hundred people
Speaker 1: like the cat. How much do you think that cat
Speaker 1: thing costs to make? Because I bet it's accidentally really expensive.
Speaker 2: I mean it depends because it's is it also one
Speaker 2: of those ones with the motor that rotates it automatically sifts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: then those things break. Yeah, they break easily. We go
Speaker 2: one because they're not doing They are easy to installed,
Speaker 2: but I feel like they're not. They don't tell you
Speaker 2: how to install it, and so you're probably gonna.
Speaker 1: Break it in installation. The app is probably not gonna
Speaker 1: work the time, you know. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: They're probably accidentally expensive because of how much they wear
Speaker 2: down and how much they end up getting returned versus like,
Speaker 2: how do.
Speaker 1: You really like load test those things? You get a
Speaker 1: really big.
Speaker 4: Like you'll make it in garfield.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is how they get the training
Speaker 1: data to find out about the TETs. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that listen chosen by perfected by signs to be fair.
Speaker 1: This is how I describe my cat Babu. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and also myself. I do use the litther box, but
Speaker 1: he just won't use these fancy ones. We've tried fancy
Speaker 1: ones and he just will not go. Only one of
Speaker 1: my cats uses the fancy one custody I do. I really,
Speaker 1: that's the most cat thing to do. As well, our
Speaker 1: gods can throw it away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, our cast will only use the robot litter
Speaker 3: box for pooping. Altho other we have two other little boxes.
Speaker 3: Those are the piss boxes, only the robot gets turts.
Speaker 1: Which one do you use? Ah?
Speaker 3: I I am a discerning individual. I prefer to go
Speaker 3: use an actual toilet.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're good for this show. Now, you did
Speaker 1: see a speech from the incredible Linda Yakarina, CEO of
Speaker 1: X the Everything app, where I currently do my banking,
Speaker 1: my taxes, my dating, and my professional work. I have
Speaker 1: a DM I need to see you too, admnute from
Speaker 1: a fourteen words groper. That's my doctor.
Speaker 3: And the medical care on acts as well.
Speaker 1: My credit card was just charged eleven thousand dollars from it.
Speaker 1: Everything's going great there. But she is the CEO of
Speaker 1: this company, and you said it was kind of bad.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't that far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't really know. A movie could have been
Speaker 2: an email, could have been a press release. Yeah. She
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the global collective unconscious, unconscious.
Speaker 1: Oh god, the fuck does that mean? Uh? That's X
Speaker 1: the Everything saying. You know, did she say unconscious?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the collective.
Speaker 1: I believe, we believe. I have it in my notes.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, if she said conscious, it's still stupid.
Speaker 1: But if she said unconscious, I would believe that because
Speaker 1: that's like a yak Areino classic. Yeah, just like a
Speaker 1: complete because the thing she says sound like the kind
Speaker 1: of thing you say immediately after walking out of a
Speaker 1: car wreck.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the notes since, yes.
Speaker 1: But it's us.
Speaker 5: But it's also like what an undergrad like philosophy student.
Speaker 2: Right, she talks about how it's self regulating, but you know,
Speaker 2: the first yeah, the first question was about comparing Meta
Speaker 2: to X and talking about how it got rid of
Speaker 2: fact checkers, and she was like, they're trying to copy
Speaker 2: community notes basically, you know, they're realizing.
Speaker 5: All websites sucks shit copying Like, Buddy, I'm on community notes,
Speaker 5: so I see all this stuff and it is a
Speaker 5: ship show.
Speaker 1: It's a ship show. I mean, if you've seen the
Speaker 1: fucking facts that people post on Facebook, Yeah, you really
Speaker 1: want that community anyway?
Speaker 4: Yes, and now that.
Speaker 1: Great idea has been copied, and so.
Speaker 2: The idea there is like you know, she's trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, talk about how Meta is going to emulate
Speaker 2: X's innovative system that inspires great behavior, which is that
Speaker 2: noted post or dramatically shared less.
Speaker 1: Like suicide bump.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to die like anything.
Speaker 2: The cyber truck guy got his inspiration that and chat
Speaker 2: gpt apparently where which helped them.
Speaker 1: Build they explosive. The police department recently reported.
Speaker 4: That didn't quite work.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's chat GPT.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as I described it, it's effectively just the anarchist cookbook.
Speaker 3: And you're going to get similar respect results.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'll try and so so you know.
Speaker 2: Her rating of the meta abandoning.
Speaker 1: Third party fact I team great victory for free speech.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 2: She talked about how the greatest product innovation, talked about
Speaker 2: how there have been like two hundred and fifty product
Speaker 2: innovations during your tenure. Extort of the fun what Yeah,
Speaker 2: but the biggest one is trend genius, which is when
Speaker 2: a trend kicks up on X and it hits a
Speaker 2: certain altitude. Advertisers they have agreements with are they're they're
Speaker 2: able to take advantage of those trends and they get
Speaker 2: matched with them. And as in your ad campaign, kicks
Speaker 2: in the high drive when there's a trend connected to
Speaker 2: what you're looking to target, goes in the high drive.
Speaker 1: Almost some kind of like word you could advertise against,
Speaker 1: like some ad words right.
Speaker 5: Right, you know all of the ads I get, Yeah,
Speaker 5: they're all everything is Temu.
Speaker 1: I get Tamu, indie sci fi.
Speaker 2: Books about how Donald Trump is going to save America,
Speaker 2: sig crypto that doesn't that that's happening right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Only get Timu. What are you like looking.
Speaker 1: At blocking so many ads? At one point I just
Speaker 1: started getting the weirdest ship. I got like the most
Speaker 1: expensive coat ever, and it was like a seventy dollars coat.
Speaker 1: I actually think it's a great bed, but it was
Speaker 1: the worst looking outfit. It looked like something that bas
Speaker 1: Leman would have in his romeo and do you do
Speaker 1: you buy your Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So what you're telling me is they've created an automated
Speaker 3: system to guarantee that the advertisers won't miss an opportunity
Speaker 3: to be next to an incredibly popular racist post, right
Speaker 3: and all these don't want to miss it.
Speaker 1: All these trends are the ones that grok comes up with.
Speaker 2: Oh lord, yeah, rock in the in the in the
Speaker 2: center of the racism computer.
Speaker 4: They changed the image recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the logo for grok is really bad.
Speaker 4: It's super It looks like like a jpeg.
Speaker 2: Effects so bad one of the examples I really also loved.
Speaker 2: She was kind of like, you know, talking about how
Speaker 2: access to everything plays. It's real time, so many trends.
Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes me and my husband we fight
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: We fight all the time.
Speaker 8: Oh really, imagine my husband my piece of ship, and
Speaker 8: so we fight all the time about what to watch,
Speaker 8: and we're fighting over the remote.
Speaker 2: He thinks football is consequential. I want to know what's
Speaker 2: happening on the red carpet. We don't have to fight
Speaker 2: anymore because now I have X on my phone and
Speaker 2: I get real time updates and he gets the TV
Speaker 2: to white football.
Speaker 1: Was she talking about the Golden Globes? What football game
Speaker 1: is on Golden Globes?
Speaker 4: Happened? Now? This is also garbage.
Speaker 5: I was trying to I was trying to check news
Speaker 5: the other day on Twitter X whatever they call it nowadays. Okay,
Speaker 5: I guess, And I was just like, this is a
Speaker 5: really bad place to get news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, pm pst. Was she really that attacked? Was
Speaker 1: he really that attached to Monday late night football? Maybe
Speaker 1: he does hate her, he might have been.
Speaker 2: He's just like, h so, you know, that's the that's
Speaker 2: like first ten minutes or so, you know, she's talking.
Speaker 2: She talked talking about safety ad products and how there's
Speaker 2: no surrogate for X. This is the most important place.
Speaker 2: Talks about the NFL portal, which you know is an
Speaker 2: example of how we are expanding the town square and
Speaker 2: building a model that will bring to other areas of society.
Speaker 2: They want to make us a global sports league portal
Speaker 2: and I don't even know what that means nobody. It's provocative.
Speaker 2: It gets the people going, you know, thirty six billion impressions,
Speaker 2: four billion views, that's for what for the NFL portal?
Speaker 1: That thirty six billion view the impressions, impressions, that's not
Speaker 1: even I mean that that doesn't feel like as much
Speaker 1: as it should like it. It feels like they had
Speaker 1: higher numbers like that than the pospit. Also, the views
Speaker 1: numbers are completely cracked on that.
Speaker 2: Now, well she's saying that are the best numbers, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna get even better.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go to global sports leagues.
Speaker 2: Uh. The interviewer tried to be like, do you want
Speaker 2: to do a news or journalism portal? She was very
Speaker 2: you know, she's like, look, look, we're not we're not.
Speaker 2: She didn't say we're not interested in that, but she
Speaker 2: basically was like, legacy media has.
Speaker 1: Their own thing. We're post trusted in, yeah, telling the
Speaker 1: truth or providing information.
Speaker 2: We want to distinguish ourselves from legacy media because.
Speaker 1: That legacy media, it's one way filtered.
Speaker 2: That's a psio to control your mind and influence as
Speaker 2: opposed to as opposed to Twitter, which is global, collective, unconscious,
Speaker 2: right and free of influence campaigns.
Speaker 1: Right, just.
Speaker 2: Influence campaign right that she just mentioned when that her
Speaker 2: boss is doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also the wasn't there a Paris Hilton one
Speaker 1: Paris on Saudi's I mean we could list all the
Speaker 1: influence campaigns that.
Speaker 4: People still care about parasol. I know.
Speaker 1: That's what's so good about it, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: like behind crypto on a trend.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Like I think the last time anyone cared
Speaker 5: about her was when she was like eating hamburgers for
Speaker 5: Carls Junior.
Speaker 4: Like that, I'm not familiar with. That's pretty bad. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't been following.
Speaker 4: The j J Abrams move fair enough.
Speaker 2: She also talked a bit about the power of acts,
Speaker 2: and she got really excited about the fact that one
Speaker 2: time she was like I was scrolling through my feet,
Speaker 2: leaned in, very excited and animated about Musk and Sundar
Speaker 2: talking about computing the brain, the brain. Where else can
Speaker 2: you get to executives you don't really understand?
Speaker 1: And it's definitely them. It's what. There's no literally every executive.
Speaker 1: You know. Here's the thing.
Speaker 5: I refuse, I still to this day refuse to use
Speaker 5: the term X like I will dead name.
Speaker 1: I'm only using it here. It's just it's right, it's terrible.
Speaker 1: It feels like petting a cat's hair the wrong way. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm on ex What the fuck are you talking about? Man?
Speaker 1: Everything it's everything, the everything app that has right a
Speaker 1: lack of utility with almost every day the racism generator
Speaker 1: terrible grows somehow the least racist racism generation.
Speaker 4: Like, look, I didn't, I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't join the full exodus when you know, when
Speaker 5: things so I stayed there even though I joined all
Speaker 5: the other stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's just.
Speaker 5: Like like the level of narcissism is just.
Speaker 1: To open up. As we are talking, I have not
Speaker 1: spared today.
Speaker 4: The world a world in an event like it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna Yeah, I wonder what's uh, what's what's on X everything?
Speaker 4: We start the count for you? Oh we did.
Speaker 1: There's the thing about Samuelman's sister. Very very bad for
Speaker 1: mister Rotman.
Speaker 2: Oh I got some betting ads. Oh that's a bat
Speaker 2: mgm man. Do you guys want to get up to
Speaker 2: two hundred fifty dollars back in bonus bets if your
Speaker 2: first wager loses?
Speaker 4: I want that to do anything. That's why.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he is quote it's a quote post Elon
Speaker 1: Musk is posting where someone said Bill Gates is donated
Speaker 1: of three. This is just a conspiracy theory thing just
Speaker 1: and it's Elon Musk has quoted it, and he he
Speaker 1: has used what appears to be an emoji of a
Speaker 1: pregnant man. What so this is the richest man in life.
Speaker 1: He could do anything. And he's like, what if what
Speaker 1: if her? What if her Bill Gates was was a
Speaker 1: pregnant man. Wouldn't that be funny? Great grinds, grab scramps.
Speaker 1: It's just being in the house for years, just talking
Speaker 1: to another person. Yeah, this I love you, don't you?
Speaker 5: I mean I opened up the app and the first
Speaker 5: thing I get is a nice little person from a
Speaker 5: friend of mine who I know, and then.
Speaker 1: It's literally post me long mask. If protecting children makes
Speaker 1: one a fascist, then so be it. I think that, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's you know, perfect Segway.
Speaker 2: Also because the next things that she talked about were
Speaker 2: the grooming gangs that he went on sweek long tiradeer
Speaker 2: bom and she and they were like, is this a
Speaker 2: red line? Because now you've got diplomats saying we're going
Speaker 2: to change in the relationship with you. Ask and she
Speaker 2: was saying, if not for X, where would the conversation
Speaker 2: be about saving thousands of girls, bringing people to justice
Speaker 2: who must be brought to justice. So I say, more
Speaker 2: than did.
Speaker 1: That happen as a result of anything that happened on X.
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Great, that's she said, there is going to be an inquiry.
Speaker 1: Wow, and well there's going to be an investigation. I
Speaker 1: have now retracted my statement. I feel like as we
Speaker 1: as we approach the end here, I want to really
Speaker 1: talk about something that I read about today that I
Speaker 1: will be doing an episode on. You know, you know
Speaker 1: that I can't help myself doing content, but we'll talk
Speaker 1: about it today. So Mark Zuckerberg of Meta has now
Speaker 1: basically he's fired all the fact checkers, and he's moving
Speaker 1: the Trust and Safety people to Texas from California. Some
Speaker 1: people saying, oh, it's because of some sort of that
Speaker 1: one They're like, oh, it's because of labor laws. Sure,
Speaker 1: But what that's actually about is the judges from what
Speaker 1: I understand. But anyway, if you have not read the news,
Speaker 1: they have fired all the fact checkers and they're saying that,
Speaker 1: but they basically made a statement that was, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've done too much of that. And now if anyone
Speaker 1: listening to this has opened up Facebook in the last year,
Speaker 1: they probably did not think this could use less work,
Speaker 1: and they definitely didn't think I am getting the good
Speaker 1: stuff here. But on top of that, this feels to
Speaker 1: me like the beginning of the end for META. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are understandably it should be scared. This
Speaker 1: is a fucking horrible thing to do. I think it's
Speaker 1: the end of meta. I think we're actually coming toward it.
Speaker 1: They can hope, so I hope so too. But I
Speaker 1: think that this is that companies only do this when
Speaker 1: they're very upset.
Speaker 2: I mean there's also like these moves also of trying
Speaker 2: to placate Trump. I mean, do there are a few questions, right,
Speaker 2: because other friends are doing them, are they gonna make
Speaker 2: the antitrust trials go away?
Speaker 1: I don't think this.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's related, but I'm interested in that
Speaker 2: also as a knockdown effect, right.
Speaker 1: I think what people need to realize is, sure, there's
Speaker 1: some kissing up to Trump. Sure, but Meta has been
Speaker 1: helping conservatives for decades now. Yeah, you know, and they
Speaker 1: write calculation on the Meanwok plandemic. The thing that talked
Speaker 1: about the people killing Facebook episode, it's they were Joel Caplan.
Speaker 1: It's not Jeff Caplan. That's the Blizzard guy. Sorry, Jeff
Speaker 1: Jeff Caplan from a Blizzard. By the way, look up
Speaker 1: what the name of his his character was in EverQuest
Speaker 1: It was tag old Bitties. That's the guy who runs
Speaker 1: sick Activity. I want to slander him. Well. Also that
Speaker 1: is actually a truthful statement in Activision Blizzard a lot
Speaker 1: of weird lawsuits around anyway. Now back to Joel Kaplan,
Speaker 1: who is the former head of public policy who is
Speaker 1: now like their chief policy officer replaced Nick Klegg scam.
Speaker 1: But Joe Kaplan is a former GW Bush guy who
Speaker 1: specifically intervened to make sure that the COVID conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: movie Plandemic was not removed by the Health Department, which
Speaker 1: I now assume is just shut down. Yes, just to
Speaker 1: be clear, when Meta was restrained, when they were restrained
Speaker 1: by the boundaries, the vagaries of such ugly things as
Speaker 1: morals and policies, they still fucking pushed this shit. They're
Speaker 1: gonna do anything now and it's gonna turn it in
Speaker 1: to X but worse because Meta has already fucked Facebook
Speaker 1: for hear and back. The question is what it does
Speaker 1: to Instagram. I think this kills Facebook. I know it's
Speaker 1: gonna make Facebook even worse for a while, but it's
Speaker 1: gonna kill it. The content already fucking sucks.
Speaker 5: Wait, we already call it boomer Book. Like, so you know,
Speaker 5: I work with students. I mean I work with students, right,
Speaker 5: so I'm always I'm always in the midst.
Speaker 4: Of a bunch of young twenty year olds.
Speaker 5: Same and it's just like, yeah, as boomer Book, and
Speaker 5: no one goes there because it's the most toxic place
Speaker 5: that you can go.
Speaker 4: Like, it's worse than Twitter.
Speaker 1: Oh, you need to look for the toxicity. It's usually
Speaker 1: just confusing to me, but just to be clear, the
Speaker 1: current state of Facebook that everyone has been used to.
Speaker 1: This was the one with fact checkers. Yes, now it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like lunatic, but it's gonna be actually insane.
Speaker 1: But I think this might this may be the poison
Speaker 1: in the veins. And I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: understandably are very scared of this because of the right
Speaker 1: wing side and the fact that this is aiding the
Speaker 1: right wing. The only thing I can say to calm
Speaker 1: you down is they've already been doing that in great volumes.
Speaker 1: They already did this, and it's like that was this
Speaker 1: plus that anyway, And it's frustrating because I wish that
Speaker 1: was being reported alongside this part of the story. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: now Facebook's going to help all the right wing people.
Speaker 1: They took down crowd tangle, which was a data reporting
Speaker 1: service that reported what the most popular pages were because sorry,
Speaker 1: most popular, I think it was basically, and Kevin Druce
Speaker 1: of the was he at the Times it's good work
Speaker 1: in ros Yeah, he reported this, and then they responded
Speaker 1: by taking down crowd Tangle. Now, the reason they did
Speaker 1: that was because all of the top like eight out
Speaker 1: of ten were always conservatives about him. Trying to analyze
Speaker 1: the political track of a neighbor or no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this was just what was most popular on Facebook. And
Speaker 1: it was like Ben Shapiro's show or that ship. That's
Speaker 1: what was happening when they gave a ship is they
Speaker 1: don't give a shit. They don't give a ship now.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it's like, if I were Facebook, it's
Speaker 2: in your interest to at work at minimum allow for
Speaker 2: or try to ensure that you know, maybe right wing
Speaker 2: stuff is pretty popular, you know, because they'll give you
Speaker 2: less trouble or gluatorially. And you know, if I'm actually
Speaker 2: putting my foot on the pedal, you know, if I'm
Speaker 2: actually putting my hand on the on the on the
Speaker 2: tiltier or trying to you know, shift the balance, you know,
Speaker 2: to rev it up right. So it makes sense, right,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a payoff, you know, it's a payoff
Speaker 2: for them.
Speaker 1: And I think you know that.
Speaker 2: I think to come back to your earlier point, I
Speaker 2: think that's like a fair point to say, which is
Speaker 2: that like, yeah, you know, kissing up to Trump.
Speaker 1: Misses it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you're saying that there's there's a deep for
Speaker 2: there's a deeper some biosis or a deeper interest there.
Speaker 1: That's people overlooked David. He'd be davely if Bloomberg did
Speaker 1: a great opinion piece to that. Lincoln the in the notes,
Speaker 1: he did the thing where he just says it gave
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg permission to give up on the thing that he
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit about. Yeah, somewhat paraphrasing his words there, obviously,
Speaker 1: because I don't think Bluembo would report that. But it's
Speaker 1: a great piece because it basically says, look, Zuckerberg has
Speaker 1: never really liked keeping care of his garden. He's never
Speaker 1: really taken care of his shit, So now he doesn't have.
Speaker 1: Now he can be like, oh, yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: political thing. This is why I'm doing it, which is
Speaker 1: sure it doesn't hurt its cover. It's cover for him,
Speaker 1: just like poor like knocking the toilet into the kitchen.
Speaker 1: He knows Facebook is effectively a monopoly on social media,
Speaker 1: so he can just fucking turn it into a ran
Speaker 1: successpot and thinks that people will stay. And I think
Speaker 1: that I was talking to Ed about this last night.
Speaker 1: If he was connected with the AI profiles thing. Lot
Speaker 1: people are understandably freaked out about But I think it
Speaker 1: comes down to one word contempt. It's just they don't
Speaker 1: fucking care. It's not about these people don't have a
Speaker 1: big strategy. They just I want to say evil, but
Speaker 1: I don't even think then that motivated. It's just growth
Speaker 1: all cost thinking of One of.
Speaker 3: The benefits for benefit relative to them is it's they
Speaker 3: don't have monopoly, but they do have a walled garden,
Speaker 3: so they can do whatever they want inside of their garden.
Speaker 3: And if you want to bury toxic waste in your garden,
Speaker 3: well there are regulations about that, but we're.
Speaker 1: Going to stop them from doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: I mean like I mean, if Facebook started as a
Speaker 5: place for a work to get a date, you know,
Speaker 5: and so I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: You don't like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like that point misses the problem again because yes,
Speaker 1: technically that was like the whole horny Harvard guy thing.
Speaker 1: The thing is is that that wasn't where that was
Speaker 1: an evil thing that a college student did. Where it
Speaker 1: became an evil thing that an adult started doing. Was
Speaker 1: the idea of Facebook, was the idea of growing Facebook.
Speaker 1: And what growing Facebook? Men, if we start with that,
Speaker 1: if we reduce him to this horny in cell. Kid,
Speaker 1: we miss the thing that this guy is, like Zuckerberg,
Speaker 1: is something so much worse than that. He is someone
Speaker 1: who truly does not care. I'm not gonna say sociopath
Speaker 1: because I actually really don't know the exact definition. I
Speaker 1: think just describing it in blunt terms is does someone
Speaker 1: who give a shit about anything do this? Yeah? Because
Speaker 1: it doesn't even feel like a political move. He's just like, great,
Speaker 1: I don't have to. It feels like a regulation being removed,
Speaker 1: he doesn't think, because there really isn't regulations.
Speaker 3: Kid, Yeah, there wasn't one.
Speaker 1: It's it's really good looking out of the window with
Speaker 1: the tech industry right now. I feel very positive.
Speaker 2: That's just how it felt to be drinking the water
Speaker 2: downstream of the chip fabs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Great, except it's fantastic except that hurt lesbian.
Speaker 3: Thanks for getting.
Speaker 5: But no, there's a cynicism, right right, there's a cynicism
Speaker 5: about the whole thing. And so it's like, you know, people,
Speaker 5: people just out there in the world sort of use
Speaker 5: these things, you know, to stay connected to their families,
Speaker 5: you know, like, for instance, the only reason why I
Speaker 5: still have a Facebook, you know, account, is because you like,
Speaker 5: my mom takes photos, right, and I see that.
Speaker 1: And I use Instagram because there are some people who
Speaker 1: don't use anything else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly the same thing.
Speaker 5: And uh and so that's I think that so many
Speaker 5: people like that's that's sort of their general sort of
Speaker 5: use case, that that these more sort of problematic aspects.
Speaker 5: They have a hard time seeing what the problem is.
Speaker 5: But but the problem really is just this, this this cynicism,
Speaker 5: the lack of care, the I think I think you
Speaker 5: think you hit to right on the head.
Speaker 1: You ain't seen nothing yet. I'm deadly serious like Facebook.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Jeff Howitz. The Wall Street Journals
Speaker 1: taught me a lot, a lot about what I know
Speaker 1: about Facebook. I have yet to hear from Jeff if
Speaker 1: he was at CS to be so happy. There's no
Speaker 1: one I want more on the chat just going fucking
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that they've always been this bad.
Speaker 1: And as we write history right now, we're like, well, now,
Speaker 1: Facebook book, this is the day that meta became evil
Speaker 1: and it's like always but if you do, if you
Speaker 1: failed to actually counch it in time, imagine what they'll
Speaker 1: do next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, hey, like you know, what where
Speaker 2: do you go from? You know, facilitating a genocida you.
Speaker 4: Know, where do you go? You know?
Speaker 1: You all things are justified in growth. A terrorist attack
Speaker 1: plan on Facebook was justified in growth. I'm quoting Andrew
Speaker 1: Bossworth in the Ugly Letter. He is now the CTO
Speaker 1: of Meta. Very cool, very good stuff. So as we
Speaker 1: come towards the end of the this part of the episode,
Speaker 1: we're shortly going to be updated with Gara Davis and
Speaker 1: Robert Evans of course as a wrap.
Speaker 3: Up, especially because I'm almost out of cocktail.
Speaker 5: He's almost out of and I'm thinking about the Facebook
Speaker 5: leaks at the moment.
Speaker 1: But yes, well, I think, as we come to the
Speaker 1: end of this day, and did you like anything? Was
Speaker 1: there a single thing that you saw? And there is
Speaker 1: no wrong answer here. If you saw something you liked,
Speaker 1: what was it? And don't say the exit the sex
Speaker 1: toys seemed neat cool, So it's just fun.
Speaker 4: I think every ces this is what I've heard, and
Speaker 4: that's it. Horrified by that.
Speaker 1: Woke up, just cracking up, all right.
Speaker 2: You know the I saw some screens that looked crazy,
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't game like that, I don't
Speaker 2: goon like that, Like I just I couldn't you know
Speaker 2: those are really for me. Every episode you know, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I would have liked a sphere
Speaker 2: you know whatever doing.
Speaker 1: No Lenny Kravitz is there tonight. Oh I forgot to
Speaker 1: mention an important part of the things. So I found
Speaker 1: out a competing podcast called The Verge. I hear they
Speaker 1: are currently doing. Heard of them, haven't either, but I
Speaker 1: just the ridge the French you doing like a little
Speaker 1: German over had a hairball.
Speaker 4: Somewhere right, and here we go.
Speaker 1: I try not to be a catty bitch other than
Speaker 1: everyone this show. And I must say that I was seeing.
Speaker 1: I definitely saw this, and there was a moment I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, another podcast recording out of here,
Speaker 1: big one too. I should go and check out what
Speaker 1: they're doing before the Verge podcast. And by the way,
Speaker 1: you can only see the Verge cast live if you
Speaker 1: have a Delta sky Miles membership, and it features a
Speaker 1: pre podcast panel discussion about the future of travel between
Speaker 1: the Virgin Delta's Dwhite James SVP customer engagement and loyalty
Speaker 1: in CEO Delta Voi Vacations probably could have not fucked
Speaker 1: up with the words there if I wanted to make
Speaker 1: fun of it. But I just want to say I
Speaker 1: get a lot of ship on my ads for this show.
Speaker 1: I didn't do a single ad break as well, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna be really pissed with me. I will never
Speaker 1: interview someone from Delta Airlines unless it's the CEO and
Speaker 1: I'm screaming at them that And also what the fuck
Speaker 1: does that have to do with tech? But also I
Speaker 1: understand we've got to get money, honey, but like Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: that's your big the.
Speaker 2: Future of travel unless it's no more Boeing planes, cigarettes
Speaker 2: on the plane and bigger seats, I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear it.
Speaker 4: But also.
Speaker 1: Because what is it going to be?
Speaker 2: We we we calibrated the formula for sky Miles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we changed the app. You have made it
Speaker 1: harder to get sky Miles status.
Speaker 3: Smart planes smart.
Speaker 4: All all the planes are on the blockchain.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I think you have had a much better experience
Speaker 1: with a health physicist and a priest, So I think
Speaker 1: that that's my choice. So more members of the clergy
Speaker 1: and more safety professionals. I think that's what makes up.
Speaker 3: Generally more safety professionals is not what anyone wants to see,
Speaker 3: because we apparently ruin fun.
Speaker 5: Sometimes apparently, so we as we close out of this
Speaker 5: part of the episode and will of course be back
Speaker 5: shortly after this.
Speaker 1: Phil Where can people find you?
Speaker 3: You can find me at Blue Sky at at Fundranium,
Speaker 3: and you can find my blog Funderanium Labs dot com.
Speaker 1: Yes, and he makes a special kind of coffee. And
Speaker 1: if you look on Blue Sky, because I cannot advertise
Speaker 1: things on here, I will have a link for you
Speaker 1: at some point that we'll do something. I'm not even
Speaker 1: going to say what it is. Ed m Graso Junior.
Speaker 1: Now that I cut you off at the beginning of
Speaker 1: that saying what you did? What do you do?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a tech writer, a finance writer, a labor writer,
Speaker 2: an editor, a ship poster, a sign.
Speaker 1: As the son of a mother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a son of a mother and the father
Speaker 2: of cats were baby monitored.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have yet to give a link. That's true.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say to my cats,
Speaker 2: and I was like, they're they're on my profiles, Big
Speaker 2: Black Jacobin on Blue Sky and uh Twitter.
Speaker 1: Thanks to everything that too. And this Maschione Kills is
Speaker 1: the podcast where we yap about the political economy of
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Speaker 4: Yeah, mosha.
Speaker 5: I mean these days, these days, just on all the
Speaker 5: social media's in the same Okay, they do not fucking.
Speaker 1: Mm every None of these people know their links. Your
Speaker 1: name is like luky something like if they type in
Speaker 1: your name, it doesn't come up. Sometimes.
Speaker 4: Oh uk e I four six y five.
Speaker 5: That's on everything except for blue Sky, Blue Sky it's
Speaker 5: eighth way.
Speaker 1: Well thank god you specified that before I said anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, or you can just put in like if
Speaker 4: you just search Gabriel.
Speaker 1: Moser's like priest into Google.
Speaker 4: Then I'm there.
Speaker 1: Well when will be right back? After these amazing products.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear about these products. They're so beautiful. I
Speaker 1: personally love them all. They're definitely not going to immediately
Speaker 1: embarrass me in a way that every week I get
Speaker 1: one email from one guy who's like, this does not
Speaker 1: match up with the things you were saying.
Speaker 3: We're here to embarrass you.
Speaker 1: Did you know that there is a commercial a commercial
Speaker 1: that came on that was not in line with your beliefs.
Speaker 1: What do you think? No noster around and every time
Speaker 1: I respond with the same thing, which is, I bet
Speaker 1: you'd love it if I died, and then I hit send. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the next thing that comes up maybe by it. And
Speaker 1: we're back and we've replaced some of the people. We've
Speaker 1: got Gare Davis and of course Robert Evans from It
Speaker 1: could happen here, and they are just glowing from the
Speaker 1: time on the floor.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm happy to be here. I'm kind of concerned
Speaker 9: that the former panelists you took out and forced into
Speaker 9: a goolag outside of nov garad like that. That seems
Speaker 9: a little extreme.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to question. That is your show business.
Speaker 1: This is your show. That's show business. That's I'm glad
Speaker 1: you made the cut, you know. Yeah, we have to
Speaker 1: have two ads, at least one of the chosen.
Speaker 4: Always to.
Speaker 1: Want to crave the mind. Oh god, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be thinking about that all evening now. That's great. So
Speaker 1: we were previously talking about the Linda Yakarino speech. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, and I did not know that Gare was
Speaker 1: also that gay. What was your experience of the uh,
Speaker 1: the matriarch of social media.
Speaker 6: It's the first time there was applause was when she
Speaker 6: mentioned Doge. The second time was the rape gigs. So
Speaker 6: incredible vibes happening.
Speaker 9: Audiences love Dojian rape gangs.
Speaker 1: You know. But what's so, what specifically was this rape
Speaker 1: gang thing? I should know about things that happened in England,
Speaker 1: but I've been running from England my whole life.
Speaker 9: Well, there was like a kind of a bit of
Speaker 9: a bit of a program over the earlier last year,
Speaker 9: over over the idea that there were like migrants were
Speaker 9: running rape gangs, and so people started like we were
Speaker 9: like right wing riots in several cities, including like.
Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, this is the thing that actually fucking caused that.
Speaker 9: Well this was no, no, this didn't cause that, but
Speaker 9: causes an extension. This was trying to keep it going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, sorry, I meant it. Yeah, that right
Speaker 1: wing ship storm was what caused the riots. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: because I knew the riots were happening. And then we've
Speaker 1: got very upset with the amount of racis in the
Speaker 1: England that newly created, considering it's England and has quite
Speaker 1: a lot already. Yeah, oh god, anyway, So that was
Speaker 1: that got applause.
Speaker 6: Yeah, talking about that and and how how important it
Speaker 6: is on X to protect children and as a mother,
Speaker 6: it's very it is especially important. So and we need
Speaker 6: we need more more posting to save the children.
Speaker 1: I mean that I agree with just the posting part.
Speaker 1: All things are possible posting.
Speaker 9: I mean, one of the last times I was on
Speaker 9: X the everything app, I saw a deep fake porn
Speaker 9: of an eighteen year old. So yeah, I only I can.
Speaker 9: I really do feel what she says that very is
Speaker 9: deeply committed.
Speaker 6: The last time, the last time I spent a decent
Speaker 6: amount of time on X, it was after a teenager
Speaker 6: did a mass shooting and I had to talk to
Speaker 6: all of their other teen friend nazis who are on
Speaker 6: X and they everything app everything, they communications, and that's
Speaker 6: where you find them, a whole bunch of teenage Nazis
Speaker 6: who had all just like talked, like talk to each
Speaker 6: other there and share phrenology memes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's that girl's name like that? There's like some.
Speaker 2: Rad fam Hitler the name on the one of my
Speaker 2: favorite podcasts.
Speaker 9: We're having her on the show very very soon to
Speaker 9: talk about the other Hitler yeah, I'm calling it the
Speaker 9: two Hitlers.
Speaker 1: When seeing that name, I was like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: this exists. Of course this exists. Well I love talking
Speaker 1: about technology. Yeah, so that was but that What was
Speaker 1: the context for the doge thing as well? Was it
Speaker 1: just the idea of firing people? Know?
Speaker 6: It was was talking about like how important X will
Speaker 6: be as Elon and and focuses on doge in the
Speaker 6: next year for a government program, so you like, you know,
Speaker 6: well it's a fake a fake government, like a consultancy
Speaker 6: service that pretends to be a government but like it.
Speaker 6: It was basically a quick question about like like how
Speaker 6: much will Elon be using like X to like, you know,
Speaker 6: get like people, Like how much will he be getting
Speaker 6: like users to give suggestions for things to cut you know?
Speaker 1: Oh god? Open source government regulation? Sure, I mean open
Speaker 1: source works. Yeah, yes, but.
Speaker 9: Yes, look think about Linux, right stable operating system run
Speaker 9: by a guy who's only committed.
Speaker 1: A few sex crimes.
Speaker 9: We all love Linux. Why shouldn't the government be that way?
Speaker 9: It's already run by guys who commit sex crimes. Right
Speaker 9: match made in Heaven. It was much like I'm not
Speaker 9: trying to.
Speaker 1: Oh, I am much like Linux it's way more complicated
Speaker 1: than they describe as. Oh yeah, and and and in
Speaker 1: the end, it only works for a few people and
Speaker 1: they can barely explain.
Speaker 9: Why, but their computers are unhackable because honestly, if you're
Speaker 9: if you're hacking ship, nobody, nobody needs that.
Speaker 1: That's really good. I'm glad you end that bit because
Speaker 1: we've now said several things that Linux fans are going
Speaker 1: to email me about.
Speaker 9: It's the most secure to way to do things, the
Speaker 9: same way that invent your own language and losing the
Speaker 9: ability to communicate with the rest of the world is
Speaker 9: the most efficient way to avoid getting spied on.
Speaker 1: Right, kind of like trying to use another Apple Linux. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I said something about Linux, like I wrote this newsletter
Speaker 1: and turned into a script as well where I talked
Speaker 1: about and I've talked about all sorts of things and
Speaker 1: rotten with intech and I quote tweeted it quote post
Speaker 1: of them blue Sky, I should say, and I said,
Speaker 1: just to be clear, stop recommending me Linux. Normal people
Speaker 1: don't use Linux. And it was like fifty percent hardcore
Speaker 1: Linux people being like, you're completely right, man, like this
Speaker 1: shit's this shit's because being like I will fucking kill you.
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 9: Actually it is, there's no Linux guys are exactly the
Speaker 9: same as like Norse pagans in the modern world, where
Speaker 9: half of them are like the chillest like like and
Speaker 9: violently anti racist, will literally fucking die to like fight
Speaker 9: a Nazi, and half of them are just the absolute fact,
Speaker 9: just diesel apple like like the bioless.
Speaker 1: So we're also calling them back.
Speaker 9: Linux people are either will let the drop of the hat,
Speaker 9: like like put down everything in order to like help
Speaker 9: you secure your phone to stop the FBI from getting in,
Speaker 9: and half people whose primary goal in life is to
Speaker 9: reform the age of consent to be lower, just to.
Speaker 1: Be close to thing Linux fans, I please. That was
Speaker 1: like two fucking weeks.
Speaker 9: I see all the people listening to this are the
Speaker 9: first kind of Linux.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They all are, mm hmm
Speaker 1: yeah great, still going to get one hundred emails. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: But otherwise, so there was no applause at all during this.
Speaker 6: Otherwise it was just for the mention of doge and
Speaker 6: then for the rape gains.
Speaker 1: Otherwise you just kind of they.
Speaker 6: Were just talking for thirty minutes and like the biggest
Speaker 6: point of this discussion was basically laying out how in
Speaker 6: tendem X and the everything appen and and the new
Speaker 6: Trump administration are going to function out.
Speaker 1: It's basically like trying to view.
Speaker 6: These things as like symbiotic tools.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's kind of like a dear Sturmer type deal, right.
Speaker 9: Like the nice thing about it being a dere Stirmer
Speaker 9: deal is we we all know what happened to the
Speaker 9: guy who ran dere Sturmer.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 9: Oh he got hung by a drunk hangman that the
Speaker 9: US appointed because we didn't care who did the job.
Speaker 9: Made extra shared that it took a long time. Julia
Speaker 9: Striker was kicking up there for a minute. We got
Speaker 9: something to look forward to.
Speaker 1: That one of the funniest things. I thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing that.
Speaker 4: Smile.
Speaker 6: Oh good, did you talk about the Zuckerberg fact checking thing.
Speaker 1: We can talk about it again, because, as I was
Speaker 1: saying to it earlier, it is just Facebook slopping up
Speaker 1: like this is the ship they've always done. This is
Speaker 1: just them fucking instead of flushing the toilet, just pushing
Speaker 1: it into the kitchen. Like I said, Everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so Donald. Try no, he just does an excuse
Speaker 1: now he knows laws won't or like morals will no
Speaker 1: longer be enforced, and Facebook already fucking sucked. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see how much worse again.
Speaker 9: My Facebook feed right now as fully thirty forty percent
Speaker 9: of it is. Yeah, like there's like half a number
Speaker 9: of people that I used to know that The only
Speaker 9: way I have of like checking in with him is Facebook.
Speaker 9: I don't use it regularly, but every time I log in,
Speaker 9: a full third of my feed is war re enactors
Speaker 9: who are dressed as always dressed as members of the
Speaker 9: waffen SS and Aijen pushers of the waffen SS, And
Speaker 9: all of the comments are those brave boys, those poor boys,
Speaker 9: they were just trying to defend hundreds of them, hundreds
Speaker 9: of them, hundreds of them.
Speaker 1: It's bleak. I get like pitching and lifting things and
Speaker 1: like boxing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe this tells us more just about Robert, like
Speaker 6: your own interests.
Speaker 9: Mine is just like, oh, I can't even read more
Speaker 9: than like seven or eight books about the Imperial German
Speaker 9: Army last year, so like it kind of like I'm
Speaker 9: that into the German German military history.
Speaker 4: Garris.
Speaker 6: This might just be the Facebook tracking is coming to
Speaker 6: be is coming to bite you all of it?
Speaker 9: How do you have the reading habits that are like
Speaker 9: the only other people with my reading habits are very problematic?
Speaker 1: Yes, magician versus slow mo camera. Ooh, that that one
Speaker 1: sounds Actually, this one's really good. It's kind of just
Speaker 1: free photo editing group. And it's just from December thirty one,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and it is like a week later,
Speaker 1: and it's just like a very graty picture of a
Speaker 1: woman saying, is it possible to make this fuzzy photo shop?
Speaker 1: It is now with the power of AI in hants yeah,
Speaker 1: or like an the legacy of nerd Hulk Hoganmerton's w
Speaker 1: W A.
Speaker 9: Crude AI cartoon of a soldier with neither of both
Speaker 9: of his legs kind of melting off into a puddle
Speaker 9: that says, why don't pictures like this ever trend?
Speaker 1: I don't get any of the AI slop. I got
Speaker 1: boomer slap so much boomer slash slap.
Speaker 2: I don't get only women can understand not married yet.
Speaker 2: And it's a picture of a tomato then got married,
Speaker 2: and it's a picture of a watermelon.
Speaker 6: A lot of pictures of like kids crying and it's
Speaker 6: with like with like sad captions about how Kamala Harris
Speaker 6: is making kids cry if you agree, and.
Speaker 9: Like like literally every like fifth post is some sort
Speaker 9: of picture with why don't photos like this ever trend?
Speaker 1: Oh my other things, I've subscribed to a lot of
Speaker 1: Joker related that makes kind of unsettling. But yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you are the smiling man. No no, no, to explain the
Speaker 1: Joker mein thing, it's not because I believe in their views.
Speaker 1: It's that I had a brief two year long anthropological
Speaker 1: thing I was working on where I found the most
Speaker 1: insane typos in Joker memes and found this entire part
Speaker 1: of the global South there is guys who have clearly
Speaker 1: never watched a single thing with the Joker putting the
Speaker 1: most insane And my favorite was a picture of Phoenix
Speaker 1: and it said would you like to know which wyt
Speaker 1: h of them? We're liars? And to be clear that
Speaker 1: it is a Heath Ledger joker quote. Oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: And that one was just like I really didn't need
Speaker 1: much more. I'd found it's some of the Olympus at
Speaker 1: that point, but nevertheless, free Dan, Free Dan, get him
Speaker 1: out the thing that you get now on here is
Speaker 1: just apparently luxury hotels and now like some Google Maps grew.
Speaker 1: What is this fucking experience? What is Facebook for anymore?
Speaker 1: What is this app? It's it's all I mean, the
Speaker 1: everything app. No, it actually is the everything appen this
Speaker 1: is actually it actually does have everything. Actually this might
Speaker 1: really piss off Elon Musk if everything No, if Mark
Speaker 1: Sockerbo just says you have with the everything app, he
Speaker 1: should do that just to see what happened.
Speaker 6: If he gets banking working on Facebook before Twitter, that
Speaker 6: would be payments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I guess.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, who would you rather trust with your money
Speaker 9: than Facebook?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I thought we all agree.
Speaker 6: I went to so many panels today and half of
Speaker 6: them sounded like the stand up solutions comedy sketch.
Speaker 1: Please tell tell me some of these wonderful things.
Speaker 9: You're gonna have to explain that joke to Garrison.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutions is just a is a comedy stand up routine
Speaker 6: released I think earlier this year by a really good
Speaker 6: comedian who I cannot connor O'Malley.
Speaker 1: Okay, you should all watch it because it's very insane
Speaker 1: and it's also exactly the vibe. It's just half of
Speaker 1: half of it's a PowerPoint presentation of completely made up
Speaker 1: in the same ship by it's.
Speaker 6: How it it's how you can make an A it's
Speaker 6: how you can buy an AI that does stand up comedy.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this is what the things are like and
Speaker 1: this is what everything is.
Speaker 6: I mean the first the first panel I went to today,
Speaker 6: I heard the phrase like augmentation not replacement, probably about
Speaker 6: ten times a lot a lot about keeping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what the plastic surgeon.
Speaker 6: There was a lot of fear in the AI panels
Speaker 6: from people scared of how much like backlash there is
Speaker 6: two AI tools and trying like trying to like find
Speaker 6: wayte like trick audiences into enjoying or like consuming AI slop.
Speaker 6: Like a lot of it was about that I don't
Speaker 6: like like like a phrase one of the panelists used
Speaker 6: was trying to solve the AI ick problem.
Speaker 1: Like like there's like there's like an ick around AI.
Speaker 1: We have this problem that fucking sucks. Nobody wants to use. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks bad.
Speaker 6: And they they had someone from Meta at this panel
Speaker 6: and they talked about how a few days ago Instagram
Speaker 6: announced they would be having like a AI generated like
Speaker 6: fake profiles, right, people that don't exist. And there was
Speaker 6: so much backlash like based on this that they that
Speaker 6: they took it away, but they explained it by saying, actually,
Speaker 6: the market just isn't ready yet.
Speaker 1: This isn't back to the future, isn't. It's not that
Speaker 1: it's not that this is a terrible idea. I said,
Speaker 1: the market's not ready yet.
Speaker 9: There are certain issues where like we haven't been a
Speaker 9: specifically hear it from like a queer woman of color
Speaker 9: who's a mother in New York City. Right, there's a
Speaker 9: number of issues, yes, but an actual one.
Speaker 1: But but a.
Speaker 9: Person yeah, I don't I don't need an AI that
Speaker 9: admits it was coded by some white ladies in the
Speaker 9: bay pretending to be this person.
Speaker 1: No, it's then like the pigs. The pigs have not
Speaker 1: being suppressed enough. We've not we've not sedated.
Speaker 6: Yeah, get the ready for the And it really is
Speaker 6: another phrase that it is just like like AI, like
Speaker 6: like improvements will all be based around consumer acceptance. It's
Speaker 6: like we have all the text having but we have
Speaker 6: to trick people into actually like what they're looking for
Speaker 6: is consent.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of attitude, there's a lot a vibe
Speaker 9: from them that is very much like a like a
Speaker 9: like a dude who's trying to pressure someone into sex
Speaker 9: and is like, and I can like massage this into
Speaker 9: like them being okay enough with it, right.
Speaker 1: I can get him to agree to this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's this very We're in a very interesting
Speaker 9: position with this fight where it's still recent enough. Every
Speaker 9: like everyone who is trying to push the the AI
Speaker 9: line remembers n f t S and the Metaverse going
Speaker 9: down in flames and how unified and effective the backlash
Speaker 9: against them was. Now neither of those ever had any
Speaker 9: actual technology on your life, if you.
Speaker 1: Can call Metaverse any consumer adoption as well.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there was no real technology that was in any
Speaker 9: way impressive, and there was no real user hunger. There's
Speaker 9: user hunger for some of the things AI does, and
Speaker 9: there's real technology there, but there's also a backlash that's
Speaker 9: very similar to the backlash for those two things. And
Speaker 9: they see that and they're very they're scared of it
Speaker 9: because they know it is a threat to because of
Speaker 9: how much how they have to keep up momentum if
Speaker 9: momentum drops at any point. A lot of these companies,
Speaker 9: like obviously the tech won't go away. But a lot
Speaker 9: of these companies say, like yeah, exactly, and so they're
Speaker 9: scared of that. And and that's a really interesting position
Speaker 9: to be in because it shows that number one, that
Speaker 9: the fight is still winnable.
Speaker 1: Talking about it, I can be.
Speaker 6: Saying, like, the same way that we were able to
Speaker 6: beat NFTs and beat the metaverse to some degree, like
Speaker 6: that is this is going to be a longer battle
Speaker 6: than that, but like it is having an impact. You
Speaker 6: can like even look at like a like a Chapel
Speaker 6: Rome posted something about like AI generated images that received
Speaker 6: a lot of backlash, and like people and like ad
Speaker 6: agencies are like looking at this and they're trying to
Speaker 6: figure out a few ways to kind of navigate it.
Speaker 6: A few of the other panels I went to specifically
Speaker 6: about like how to market stuff to gen Z was
Speaker 6: like talking about like the importance of like like authentic brands.
Speaker 1: Like saying on fleek gen Z.
Speaker 6: Is so vest is so vested in like authenticity, and
Speaker 6: if you're gonna partner with influencers who you is AI,
Speaker 6: it has to have that authentic angle.
Speaker 1: So what's funny about the influencer thing that I don't
Speaker 1: think companies realize is they think every influencer is this
Speaker 1: pliant brain who will do anything for vacation, and there
Speaker 1: are an alarming amount of them that will. What they
Speaker 1: don't realize is that there are many of them that,
Speaker 1: once they reach a certain scale, go, wait fucking minute,
Speaker 1: I don't have to go to the LG pain Maze.
Speaker 1: I don't have to to ride a horse to the
Speaker 1: LG compound to see the secret fridge. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: they become angry and they crush them. Stephen from Gamers
Speaker 1: Nexus is my favorite. He's never done access he does. Stephen,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this police, come on my fucking show.
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 4: I don't know who you are.
Speaker 1: Steven Games Next is probably the single most YouTube important,
Speaker 1: the single most YouTube, jesus, the most important YouTube in
Speaker 1: pretty much processes and chips. There are some others as well,
Speaker 1: but like, Steven's done this scredible thing and it's mostly
Speaker 1: just him standing looking exhausted over a table, just ripping
Speaker 1: these fucking companies to shreds, or going to their offices
Speaker 1: and be like hey, hey, Steven Games, like hey, what
Speaker 1: you're doing? Like British politician style. I don't think they
Speaker 1: realize that there are so many influences just like that
Speaker 1: out there. Coffee's either mm hm, He's a fucking.
Speaker 9: Beast, yeah, especially considered that. What I think is so
Speaker 9: interesting about him is that he is he is into
Speaker 9: and speaking to this group of people who are profoundly
Speaker 9: anti media and like kind of chetty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's a lot.
Speaker 9: But he's also he does very good journalism, yeah, within
Speaker 9: that space, like and really has done more than almost
Speaker 9: anyone to kill specific kinds of conn.
Speaker 1: Did a podcast with me Rabbit reporting No big deal.
Speaker 1: But it's funny as well because they're definitely thinking that, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get these stupid fucking gen Z kids and these
Speaker 1: idiot influences and gen Z as you all Knoweah, your
Speaker 1: gen Z yes thirty eight years old and I sound
Speaker 1: a hot. What's the age for? I do not know.
Speaker 1: It's at this point.
Speaker 6: It's like if they can't yah seven or twenty eight,
Speaker 6: it depends.
Speaker 9: Usually born twenty seven are are cusps, they're cuspers.
Speaker 6: If you're born between nineteen ninety seven and around twenty
Speaker 6: twelve is usually the gen Z racket.
Speaker 1: You like you are a young millennial.
Speaker 9: Yeah, if if your knees make a sound when you
Speaker 9: stand up your Every.
Speaker 1: Time older I do yeah, yeah, every time I do yoga,
Speaker 1: my knee makes a noise like a pinball machine breaking.
Speaker 1: That doctor said, it's great, but it's funny because what
Speaker 1: they don't realize is as legacy media dies, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a bunch of insane influences. Those insane influences
Speaker 1: will be the ones that actually have a genuine animus
Speaker 1: with the LG Fridge. The fridge guy is eventually going
Speaker 1: to turn on the fridge manufacturers, and the fridge guy
Speaker 1: will bring them great pain as he reviews the fridge
Speaker 1: with alarming accuracy. And I think that that they don't
Speaker 1: realize that that is what will come to replace some
Speaker 1: of legacy media. It's going to be posters.
Speaker 9: It's going to be people have no vested interest in
Speaker 9: the politests that they can expect from like legacy media. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 9: there's no there's no space in like YouTube review guys
Speaker 9: or TikTok guys for Walt Mossburg. Nobody wants a dude
Speaker 9: like that. You want somebody who's snarky and got an
Speaker 9: angle and funny, and it's just easier to rip up
Speaker 9: a lot of these shitty AI products to like than
Speaker 9: it is to fucking pup them up.
Speaker 1: And I will tell you something, running a PR firm,
Speaker 1: not a single fucking PR person for the most part,
Speaker 1: can prepare you for that. The only thing that can
Speaker 1: prepare you is well, actually that position training. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get a lawyer to train you, that will do you
Speaker 1: fomo good.
Speaker 2: With media training, having you know, growing up roasting people,
Speaker 2: that might help you a little bit bit.
Speaker 1: But you also have to realize that the truth is
Speaker 1: generally useful and if you're trying to hide that an influence.
Speaker 1: So we really get around that.
Speaker 9: What I think is so important to get back on
Speaker 9: the topic of like how do we win this fight
Speaker 9: against AI slopification of everything beautiful in the human spirit.
Speaker 9: This is not a political fight. And that's like you
Speaker 9: guys like coffee Zilla on it, right, Like this is
Speaker 9: a lot of people when they look at this shit
Speaker 9: and when they consider like the art and the actors
Speaker 9: and musicians being replaced so that like some fucking Bay
Speaker 9: Area assholes like can hoover up even more money and
Speaker 9: like destroy the ability of like the human mind to
Speaker 9: represent itself. That's not a political issue, and there is
Speaker 9: I think an immense amount of potential still to get
Speaker 9: a lot of people together and to fucking strangle this
Speaker 9: thing and it's cradle because we all, we all have
Speaker 9: this kind of visceral feeling that it's reulption. Yeah, this revulsion.
Speaker 9: That revulsion is what we need to lean into.
Speaker 6: The aiic like the AI they simply don't have. The
Speaker 6: thing that matters most was that like, which is its
Speaker 6: ability to make like good compelling stuff and this is
Speaker 6: something that's that this is something like they actually know.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna read something about something one of the guys
Speaker 6: on the panel from Adobe was talking about. He was
Speaker 6: talking about how when you're making AI content specifically like
Speaker 6: targeted towards specific people, like a personalized content is always
Speaker 6: like the most like impactful. And there's three parts that
Speaker 6: are needed to create a personalized content pipeline. You need data,
Speaker 6: you need you need like a journey to take the
Speaker 6: person on, and you need the content itself. And we
Speaker 6: need content at scale that is highly personalized. And he
Speaker 6: said that we're good at the first two parts, the
Speaker 6: data and the journeys, and I would I would argue
Speaker 6: about the journey's part, but he said, now we just
Speaker 6: have to improve the actual content. It's like they know,
Speaker 6: they know the content's bad, Like, yeah, that's the thing
Speaker 6: we have to still actually like figure out. It's like
Speaker 6: how to like turn data into like a good content
Speaker 6: And that's that's still the thing that they're really struggling.
Speaker 1: And it also looks the same as it did, like
Speaker 1: he does look the name as did a year ago.
Speaker 9: There's so much talk and finally on what because I
Speaker 9: listened to him, Like the first two Tech and Holly
Speaker 9: AI and Hollywood panels I listened to, there were a
Speaker 9: lot of talk about like we just need to be
Speaker 9: able to like if we can read people's brains while
Speaker 9: they're watching stuff, we can see how they're reacting, and
Speaker 9: then we can alter like yeah, yeah, the content that
Speaker 9: they're taking. That meta was talking about the ending or
Speaker 9: whatever to to really make it more engaging. And it
Speaker 9: was finally somebody in that in the fourth panel when
Speaker 9: it was actually like people who write and stuff on
Speaker 9: it was like people don't want that. People don't people
Speaker 9: like we consistently see and if you look at the
Speaker 9: ship that went huge last year, the most profitable movies
Speaker 9: last year was the result of two movies that were
Speaker 9: the result of huge amounts of human effort. The Barbie
Speaker 9: movie and the Oppenheimer movie. Say what you will about
Speaker 9: both of those or so. I mean, I'm sure that
Speaker 9: one made some money, but.
Speaker 1: It still extremely hard work from three das however you
Speaker 1: feel about those disgusting creatures, dominions.
Speaker 9: And more than anything like the Barbenheimer thing was like
Speaker 9: certainly the most significant single movie trick last year, and
Speaker 9: that was the result of people wanting a shared.
Speaker 1: Experience and a very specific aesthetic in those cases, not
Speaker 1: something that changes every frame.
Speaker 9: Not wanting to, not wanting to, like go, hey, did
Speaker 9: you see that movie last night? Well, I saw the
Speaker 9: version that was made for me.
Speaker 1: Was like people people.
Speaker 6: Who actually want personalized content. I don't want to be
Speaker 6: music generated for me. I want music that I can share,
Speaker 6: and that's in some kind of cultural conversation with other
Speaker 6: people who also enjoy music, who I can talk to
Speaker 6: like that about and compare it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, what do you think of that speech at the
Speaker 9: end of The Great Dictator? Well, when I watched The
Speaker 9: Great Dictator, Charlie just turned to the screen and said,
Speaker 9: everything's good.
Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing, right. Nick Fury woke down
Speaker 1: as this is this is literally the future that these
Speaker 1: people want.
Speaker 9: Travis Kelsey, Yeah, told me I look like Iron Man.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Someone from Meta who works in like their hyper reality division,
Speaker 6: was talking about how they can start using AI and
Speaker 6: the metaverse.
Speaker 1: That's the hyper reality.
Speaker 6: Let's say that you're watching an immersive live concert, something
Speaker 6: that me and all my friends do.
Speaker 10: By the way, right away, you want to go to
Speaker 10: a real using using m R mixed reality and and
Speaker 10: the AI can sense your excitement and it can personalize
Speaker 10: your experience based on your favorite song or artist.
Speaker 6: So in AI, Taylor Swift near the end of the
Speaker 6: song can like come down in the stage and like
Speaker 6: and like dance with you. That would freak me the
Speaker 6: fun out or like that would not depend where they
Speaker 6: can change the song based on what your favorite songs are.
Speaker 6: So it's using AI and the metaverse you de crede
Speaker 6: ultra personalized experiences.
Speaker 1: I have never done worse than we But can you
Speaker 1: even imagine this while stone that would be horrifying. It's
Speaker 1: following it does like a good time. The idea of
Speaker 1: like stoned brain being like, well, this is what this
Speaker 1: is what me and Atticus Rocks are gonna get down In.
Speaker 2: The metaverse, Yeah, we're gonna Candy Flip and the Man
Speaker 2: and the metaverse.
Speaker 1: You get it. I don't know what this is. I
Speaker 1: don't listen to.
Speaker 9: I would rather play We're gonna show you at the
Speaker 9: Taylor Swift the Necessity of war.
Speaker 1: Your Taylor Swift the whole time, shot that Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: I want to watch a you made me.
Speaker 9: Willie peaked on a school in Northern can't save you.
Speaker 1: You gotta shoot those kids. You gotta shoot those kids.
Speaker 1: They're gonna turn it, just like Taylor.
Speaker 9: No one else, nobody else was in that fucking bunker
Speaker 9: with us. No one else can understand what we had
Speaker 9: to do. And then you light your AI cigarette, your
Speaker 9: little hit of AI nicotine.
Speaker 1: Thank fun. There's not a more crazed fan base than Linux.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get killed. Doesn't everybody want to go to metaverse?
Speaker 2: Fallujah Meta Fallujah, that's meta fallujahjah Verse.
Speaker 1: Cinematicise.
Speaker 6: As I was sitting through all these AI panels, I
Speaker 6: get a text from both Ed and Robert iBOT some
Speaker 6: breaking news regarding the Tesla truck bombing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that he used to planet sick.
Speaker 9: First off, green Beret training is not what it used
Speaker 9: to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're taking us for a ride with whatever we're
Speaker 2: paying if they have to use this.
Speaker 1: G had to use chet GPT to make a bombe.
Speaker 9: My uncle was a Green Beret, and I'll tell you
Speaker 9: one thing, he did not need chat GPT to make
Speaker 9: an explosive device.
Speaker 1: Every time I have you on, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: like texting my lawyer, just I'm sorry.
Speaker 9: Well, what's interesting is he was specifically looking up as
Speaker 9: a detonator he was trying to use at some point tannerite,
Speaker 9: and he must have if he either got a detonator
Speaker 9: to detonate the tanner but he was looking initially at
Speaker 9: trying to shoot the tannerite to detonate it, which would.
Speaker 1: Not have allowed him to shoot himself. Well, that's that's
Speaker 1: the problem. That's why he went else.
Speaker 6: Chat GVT couldn't figure that one out.
Speaker 1: I I love doing a show on the podcast about
Speaker 1: the future, and every fucking conversation I've had, without fail
Speaker 1: has been like everything I've seen is either fake or bad.
Speaker 1: And I don't even mean this. We get the occasional.
Speaker 1: You're a pessimist, motherfucker. Bring me some las. Robert should
Speaker 1: be one good thing to please please something. Oh shit,
Speaker 1: what was it? That's so good? Oh?
Speaker 9: The suicide helicopter. There's a helicopter that'll kill everybody. Imagine
Speaker 9: if you had a helicopter. But it's two thirds the
Speaker 9: size of a smart car, and it can drive on
Speaker 9: city streets, but it has no side or rear view mirrors.
Speaker 9: All of that's all of that's a lot of cameras
Speaker 9: immers in this cramped little and then when you're ready
Speaker 9: to fly, it's a quad copter and you can fly
Speaker 9: up to two hundred meters in the air. Because if
Speaker 9: you're under that, you don't need a pilot's liice. Do
Speaker 9: we have a emphasize to me under ten grand? Wow,
Speaker 9: so little portable helicopters that you can fly for up
Speaker 9: to twenty minutes in the air.
Speaker 1: That's what you get.
Speaker 9: Yeah, what happens if you run out of that ay Again,
Speaker 9: Let's let's say you a former Green Beret, decide to
Speaker 9: rint the suicide helicopter. Then you just fill that motherfucker
Speaker 9: up with fuel. All you need is ten minutes. As
Speaker 9: long as you like you you toe it up in
Speaker 9: your truck outside of whatever buildings you haven't.
Speaker 1: You can't see that this is never got to be
Speaker 1: a real problem. This is this is I do love
Speaker 1: they made like a comic cozy simulator, like that is
Speaker 1: what it is, right, Yeah, I swear and be your own.
Speaker 1: I was like I do genuinely ask the question of
Speaker 1: did you see something you like? In good faith every time,
Speaker 1: and every time it's just someone being like, no, I
Speaker 1: mean you don't want to street. I don't. I love
Speaker 1: committing no crime.
Speaker 2: I'm we're calling it the Tora to Torah.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I've got to wrap this up before I
Speaker 1: get in any more legal trouble.
Speaker 6: Okay, even the solar powered pell tours are not but
Speaker 6: I don't that. I don't think they're the military like
Speaker 6: gunshot safe ones.
Speaker 1: No, No, they are. I saw them. What is that?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 9: The tours are high grade uh, like adaptive headphones, so
Speaker 9: like the ones I saw had like a mic output too.
Speaker 6: Didn't have a mic just like I think they didn't.
Speaker 6: They didn't have like the indent to wear under a helmet.
Speaker 6: I think these were like workplace peltors, because the Peltores
Speaker 6: make a lot of different models of noise canceling headphones
Speaker 6: and only certain what only certain ones are used for,
Speaker 6: like military or like law enforcement or like gunshots suppressing.
Speaker 9: But it looked to me like they were actually the
Speaker 9: the pel tours that you get where they're not attached
Speaker 9: to a band so that you can attach them directly
Speaker 9: to a helmet, and they had instead attached them to
Speaker 9: a solar band. Maybe maybe I need to go check
Speaker 9: on it.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow to me, but those were and I talked.
Speaker 9: Them specifically about using it for hunting.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. So we found one thing.
Speaker 9: It was pretty cool, like like headphones that can suppress
Speaker 9: loud noises but allow you to continue to converse while shooting.
Speaker 9: That charged themselves so you never need to worry about
Speaker 9: battery photovoltaic band.
Speaker 1: It also can be charged.
Speaker 9: By lights on the inside.
Speaker 1: That's very cool. Yeah, yeah, that's that's me. We've found
Speaker 1: with one product everyone, we can wrap the show up. Then, okay,
Speaker 1: Robert Web can people find you?
Speaker 9: People can find me at I write okay on Blue
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Speaker 9: have a podcast called It Could Happen. Here we'll be
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Speaker 1: Very good place. Yeah, where can People Find You?
Speaker 6: Also on It Could happen here with Robert Evans and
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Speaker 1: And Ed Wick can we find you Big Black Jacobin
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