WEBVTT - Miss Spelling meets Mr. Charlie Sheen

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<v Speaker 1>Misspelling with Tory spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Okay, So the

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<v Speaker 1>new documentary aka Charlie Sheen, which is the two parter

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<v Speaker 1>it's on Netflix right now, just came out. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>say I went into it watching and aiming. My friend

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<v Speaker 1>and producer and co host at Oomg is here with

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<v Speaker 1>me today.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched this documentary too, and yeah, and I watched

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<v Speaker 2>it right away, like I you did, and the shows

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<v Speaker 2>on my list I want to watch, and this one

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, nope, I'm gonna watch this right away.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know it came out to you said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching it right now, and I'm like, it's out.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about it? And there's a reason we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>it because you're mentioned in the book, which we'll get to,

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<v Speaker 2>so everybody, we're gonna we're gonna dig into why toy

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<v Speaker 2>was mentioned. But what did you think of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Doc Okay, So it came up for us both to

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<v Speaker 1>watch because it did come out in the press quote

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<v Speaker 1>from him from his book, which I didn't really understand.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought maybe it was from the documentary from an interview, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I was sort of hoping you were going to get

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned in the doc but the book is there's some juicy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's short, but it's juicy. So we'll talk about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but overall, what are your feelings on.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I wanted to see the documentary kind of

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<v Speaker 1>being like, Okay, we all know, we all know the

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<v Speaker 1>story here. How is this going to be anything different?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know he's been sober eight years, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's different about this? And I got to

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<v Speaker 1>say I left that documentary having a new like love

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Sheen like say I'm back, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I felt the same. I felt like whoa, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sort of I don't want to say team Charlie,

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<v Speaker 2>but like almost like I want this guy, I get

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<v Speaker 2>it right, yes, and to like have a good life.

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<v Speaker 1>It was I'm getting chills and I'm not, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to bring it back to me because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I want to hear how you feel about it.

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<v Speaker 1>When I felt very connected to him on a certain level,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when John Cryer kind of became the through line

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<v Speaker 1>of this documentary. And I don't know if they intended that,

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<v Speaker 1>but from his first interview you start, he started to

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<v Speaker 1>see it in that he realized that Charlie didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>his worth, he didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>How you really feel for John Cryer in the documentary,

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<v Speaker 2>I do you're like for John Cryer because he's such

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<v Speaker 2>a nice guy who really, really, I believe wants the

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<v Speaker 2>best for Charlie, but he's totally nervous, right, like concern

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<v Speaker 2>that he's that this it could happen again. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you also realize a little bit just how screwed John

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<v Speaker 2>Cryer got in the situation. Yeah, because he's so steady

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<v Speaker 2>and at work and doing a good job and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to support and then Charlie gets all this money which

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<v Speaker 2>John Cryer doesn't get, and you're sort of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>oh wow. But then you have so much respect that

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<v Speaker 2>John Cras showed up to do the documentary. He really

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<v Speaker 2>does right by everybody always he does. But Charlie, she

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<v Speaker 2>needs to reach out to John Crier in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh do you think they haven't talked? Well, Charlie sort

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<v Speaker 2>of says in the now. I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 2>have now, but Charlie sort of says in the documentary

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<v Speaker 2>that somebody else asked John to do it, that Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>owed him a text, but doesn't know if he has

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<v Speaker 2>the number kind of a vibe and you're like, Charlie,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to reach out to John Crier almost you

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<v Speaker 2>need to say you're sorry again. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I felt like John Cryer like almost narrated

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<v Speaker 1>this the whole documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>And what did you think about the fact that Emilio

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<v Speaker 2>Stevez and Stevez I don't want to say it wrong

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<v Speaker 2>and Martin don't participate in the documentary. But yet Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>totally acknowledges how important his dad is and how the

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<v Speaker 2>love from his dad also saves.

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<v Speaker 1>Him right and he I think he says at one point,

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<v Speaker 1>this is almost like a love letter to his Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wondered because Martin Sheen's always been so outspoken, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and they show so much of that. How he totally

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<v Speaker 1>thought publicly for him. Yeah, I wonder why the switch

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<v Speaker 1>of just the hold of private now and not comment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't know my hot take on the whole

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<v Speaker 2>documentary though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course Denise and.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie should get back together. Am I nuts thinking that now?

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<v Speaker 1>I felt it too.

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<v Speaker 2>It really felt like those two people, it's so so messy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Oh, and keep in mind when they

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<v Speaker 1>met and they went on their first date, and she says,

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<v Speaker 1>I came to his building, his condo in Westwood, like

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<v Speaker 1>I lived there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought, wait, wait, wait, wait, I did not

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<v Speaker 2>know that part. You lived in the building where Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>lived yet, Oh yes, which is this is different than

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<v Speaker 2>even what's talked about in the book, which we'll get to.

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<v Speaker 2>I lived through it all. Oh my god. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, okay, so let's go backwards to what he

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<v Speaker 2>talks about. Let's go backwards to how you're connected. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to read to you, you know, a little

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<v Speaker 2>paraphrase of what is in the book about you. So

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie says, and this is in his book. At his book,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a buddy named Kevin who lived a few

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<v Speaker 2>floors above us with his high profile roommate Tory spelling. So,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, who's Kevin?

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<v Speaker 1>So, Kevin is my best friend since we were fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a dentist. He's been on misspelling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know he's your dentist.

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<v Speaker 1>He did nineteen yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, my gift for

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<v Speaker 1>my fiftieth birthday and then took me a year and

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<v Speaker 1>a half to get him. But yeah, he was my

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<v Speaker 1>roommate and at the time Kevin now has been sober

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<v Speaker 1>for like, I don't know, twenty five years, a gazillion years,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the time he was not sober and friends

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<v Speaker 1>with Charlie and they were partying together.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, got it? And do you know what year about

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<v Speaker 2>this is? Is this post nine O two one zero?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this in the nineties? So this is like you're

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<v Speaker 2>at your.

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<v Speaker 1>Height, this is yes, I'm going to say ninety six ish.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that line up? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>That feels about right. So then Charlie continues, I pointed

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<v Speaker 2>at a ceiling and didn't make it past the K

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<v Speaker 2>and his name, so that's Kevin obviously. When Zip shook

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<v Speaker 2>his head, So who's Zip his bodyguard? Okay, and it

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<v Speaker 2>says Zip, Zip telling me he'd already asked them. Zip

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<v Speaker 2>explained that Tory felt bad for me but viewed my

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<v Speaker 2>situation as radioactive and didn't want to go anywhere near it.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, they've asked to you, guys, if Charlie can

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<v Speaker 2>move in with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not gonna get the memory exactly right, but

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind, at this point in the program, I

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<v Speaker 1>recall and I've talked about this in my book that

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie was always having parties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Where was this building is? Was this one of

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<v Speaker 2>these fancy high rises in Westwood.

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<v Speaker 1>Called the Wilshire?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Westwood. Yes, it's like fancy Dorman type of vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, be Tina on the outside Dorman yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like Kendall Jenner lived there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's like so random in LA because you always

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<v Speaker 2>think of people with these like sprawling mansions, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people love these like very very very expensive condos,

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<v Speaker 2>high rise buildings on Wilshire.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, then I moved in. It was like me, Charlie, Sheen, Rodney, Dangerfield,

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<v Speaker 1>fair Enough, Opposit, all living in the same building. Good night,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yeah, whoa, it was a little wild. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me set the stage. I remember I went

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<v Speaker 1>to a Playboy mansion party because that's when all the

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<v Speaker 1>Playboy mansions like Summer, Midsummer Night's Dream all that. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very in to go. Kevin, my roommate, and I

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<v Speaker 1>went with some friends. We came back and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like relatively early, it was like midnight. I was upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>because Charlie lived below, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I right below.

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<v Speaker 1>Or like a few below, so there were the way

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<v Speaker 1>it was separated. There's two sets of elevators in the building,

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<v Speaker 1>with two elevators that went to the north side or

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<v Speaker 1>the south side on each side.

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<v Speaker 2>And are these like fancy elevators that open up into

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<v Speaker 2>your place. It's not like some long hallway of apartments.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, there comes to your floor.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're like, this is not my apartments, elevators zeros, okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Got It opens up.

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<v Speaker 1>Into your what we would call vestibule.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, which also gives me a claustrophobic panic

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<v Speaker 2>attack if they could go into the vestibule and the

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<v Speaker 2>elevator doors closed and you can't get into the door,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And the doors open. But okay, so the phone rings,

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<v Speaker 1>the phone rings, and it's one of the dormen cause

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<v Speaker 1>you can connect. They can call you saying Kevin's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to reach you from Charlie's Can I patch you through?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh?

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<v Speaker 1>And I like yeah, sure, so and then Kevin's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, You've got to get down here. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to come to this party. I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're done, and like we're going to bed. I was

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<v Speaker 1>with my friend Eileen. We're not coming, okay, my hair

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<v Speaker 1>stylas on nine on two and oh, we're not coming,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, please please please, like you would aways

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<v Speaker 1>do like T T please go.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you think Charlie was hot at that time? Like Charlie,

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie sort of in his prime. He's still very hot

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties, right, like meaning handsome hot, sexy hot,

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<v Speaker 2>but also like pretty movie star ish hot, or had

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<v Speaker 2>he sort of had a downturn. We didn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>look at the timeline, but anyway, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you like I don't know, but there there was

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<v Speaker 1>during his the living the living situation that we lived

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<v Speaker 1>both at the Wilshire. There was a time that Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>was friends with him when they were both sober trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be sober, and Kevin said, Charlie wants to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you on a date, okay, and I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, that's like the cool, like you kind of want

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<v Speaker 2>to go, but then you're also like nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go alone. So he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going out to dinner with my parents, and Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>and I both do his parents. So it was Kevin's parents,

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<v Speaker 1>stop it, stop it, stop it. Kevin and Charlie and

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<v Speaker 1>we went out to dinner. Stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>You went on a day with Charlie Sheen with your

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<v Speaker 2>friend Kevin and his parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, Can you remember where you went? I'm trying to think.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in Beverly Hills. It was like an Italian restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you trying to like flirt with Charlie or were

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<v Speaker 2>you like what was happening?

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<v Speaker 1>No, we were just like gay to know each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't a quote unquote date, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like they were sort of they were trying to set

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<v Speaker 1>us up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I learned that night was how unimaginably intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can totally tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>And his humor was just so I was like this

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<v Speaker 1>talk about charming, smart, funny, witty, like this guy was it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember I was nervous and they were. I was

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<v Speaker 1>with a two addicts and I was like, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to have wine, So I'm nervous, but they were both

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<v Speaker 1>having tokes and I was like to fit in anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>So how does.

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<v Speaker 2>This turn into him wanting to live with you guys?

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<v Speaker 2>And still there's a little more from the passage I

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<v Speaker 2>want to read, but first I'm being on the back history.

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<v Speaker 1>That was like the good moments, and then the bad

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<v Speaker 1>moment is when I get the call come downstairs. Charlie's

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<v Speaker 1>having this party. You have to come here please. So

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<v Speaker 1>my friend and I go and I'm like, one second,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll come by for one second. So we get off

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<v Speaker 1>our elevator, walk across the lobby, get into the other elevator,

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<v Speaker 1>go up to Charlie's apartment. The door's open. We walk

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<v Speaker 1>into the vestibule, the door is shut. I knock on

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<v Speaker 1>the door and the door opens, and Charlie is standing

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<v Speaker 1>there and he's setting an apparatus. And he says, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>he's what an apparatus? Holding some apparatus that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, and he said hot crack pipe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh no business.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, a buddy, You're like no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this in the Heidi Flices era for him?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what era? What Charlie Sheen era?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this? I can't do the timeline it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was gnarly in this condo. The lights were all off,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so you're at his condo. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>similar layout. I would assume I knew nothing yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like shabby chic and his was not shabby chic.

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<v Speaker 1>It was dark and there was just like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>there was bodies everywhere. There were were you like scared? Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, and I said no thanks, And he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what would you like? We have every drug? And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god. And he's like, okay, no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, would you And.

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<v Speaker 2>We can say this because he acknowledges this in the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary and in the book. It's not like we're like

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<v Speaker 2>telling something.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no no. And he then took me to

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen and he asked if I wanted to drink. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I was terrified because I was like, are there.

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<v Speaker 2>Even then You're like, uh no, I go upstairs?

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<v Speaker 1>No, and so yeah, I And then I think he

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<v Speaker 1>lost interest in went off.

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<v Speaker 2>And did the building. I feel like in those fancy buildings,

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<v Speaker 2>like wouldn't people complain like isn't you know farah faucet

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<v Speaker 2>like it's real loud in number six oh two or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I never heard any complaints.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet, Yeah, they're just voted.

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<v Speaker 1>In fondo and not a goo for days. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Are Kevin and Charlie still friends?

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<v Speaker 1>They are still friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow. You know who seemed really lovely in that

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<v Speaker 2>documentary is Charlie's like bestie, the guy that's been the

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<v Speaker 2>bestie since like Tony childhood, who has his life like

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<v Speaker 2>totally together but just was still very loyal and like,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta like respect Sean Penn for doing the documentary

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<v Speaker 2>and like of course Denise and Brooke, like bless them all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's messy, but it's also like you want this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, especially like you want this guy to get

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<v Speaker 2>it together. And the kids, I mean, I actually thought,

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<v Speaker 2>even though they're a little crass, the sticky notes that

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<v Speaker 2>he leaves for the sun for Bob are hilarious, hilarious,

0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.840
<v Speaker 2>a little grass but yet and then hearing how the

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<v Speaker 2>daughter and that's not Sammy, right, that's the other daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>So Denise and Charlie have two daughters together. Sammy's the

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<v Speaker 1>older onely.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the other one talks about how they go

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<v Speaker 2>to pedicures.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it was really cute and the name something.

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<v Speaker 2>It was cute, like you see, and I think like

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<v Speaker 2>some of the kids live with Charlie anyway, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have look when Denise, nothing made you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of really realize how what a good person Denise is.

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<v Speaker 2>Then when she took in the other kids, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like that was she can sort of do no wrong

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<v Speaker 2>in my eyes, because that was so.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that time.

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<v Speaker 2>That was so wow. All right, so so tell me

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<v Speaker 2>so then you just say, no, wh why does Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>need to live with you? That's what I don't understand,

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<v Speaker 2>is you like down on his luck.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is when the US Marshals had warrant.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess for his arrest because of Heidi flies.

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<v Speaker 1>No. This is later. This is when his dad was

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<v Speaker 1>like going public on TV and saying, please if anyone sees,

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh and find him. He had escaped, right, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, I don't want to tell tales out of school.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Just do your best, do your best, read the book

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<v Speaker 2>and watch the documentary. People will be happy. This is

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<v Speaker 2>around the time where he was arrested in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six for what Yes, ninety six, this is it for

0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.840
<v Speaker 2>this seems not good for I'm just going to read this.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't seem good. He was arrested in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six for attacking a girlfriend at his California home. He

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<v Speaker 2>was placed on probation after pleading no contest to a

0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.520
<v Speaker 2>misdemeanor battery charge. He was then arrested again in two

0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.200
<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine, so that's much later. So maybe this

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<v Speaker 2>was that thing. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was drug related and he left like

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<v Speaker 1>the rehab they put him in. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you get a rested for that. All I know

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<v Speaker 1>is that I was standing in my laundry room because okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm stand in my laundry room and Kevin comes in

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<v Speaker 1>and says, Tea, I need to ask you a favor.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, yeah, of course anything. And he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>can we hide charge?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean absolutely, yeah, this is the question. And I

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<v Speaker 1>had seen that. I knew what was happening in the

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<v Speaker 1>news and this was bad news. That sounds like a crime,

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<v Speaker 1>and ampless. Yeah, I am hiding him. They're actively searching

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<v Speaker 1>for him, like helicopters. What if I were to hide

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<v Speaker 1>him first of all? Yeah, no, So I said, are

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<v Speaker 1>you kidding me? I was like, no, I'm not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, Tea, you're a stand like they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>arrest him, You're gonna take him away. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I think he's a really great guy. I

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<v Speaker 1>like him. I couldn't know, and he's like, well, no

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<v Speaker 1>one will know because the way he wanted to sneak

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<v Speaker 1>him in is that every laundry room in these four

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<v Speaker 1>condos on every floor is connected to a back hallway

0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.520
<v Speaker 1>that leads to a service elevator. Oh okay, he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to sneak up the service elevator through the back hallway

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<v Speaker 1>into my laundry room. So my voice was to hide

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<v Speaker 1>him in like a laundry bin. It was like so.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard, No, it was, Yeah, I think you would be

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<v Speaker 2>committing a crime if you did that. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if we have all the details right on

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<v Speaker 2>all the things, like the helicopters seem a bit like maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>The helicopters and I just remember the helicopter knew they

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<v Speaker 1>arrested him in the building and took him away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kevin at the time was like, great tea, they

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<v Speaker 1>took Charlie away and like he needs help like that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like I understand, Like you guys aren't thinking

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<v Speaker 1>straight right now. This is like crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So the little bit of the funnier part and quotes

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<v Speaker 2>that is also in this passage, after he says zip

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<v Speaker 2>explained that Tory felt bad for me but viewed my

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<v Speaker 2>sitchuation is radioactive and didn't want to go anywhere near it.

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<v Speaker 2>Good job, Tory, But then he writes, couldn't blame her,

0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I suppose, But bleep man, who knows what story I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be banging out right now if the heir to Daddy's

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<v Speaker 2>throne that said. Yes, First of all, I bet the

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<v Speaker 2>book is funny. We're gonna need to read the book

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<v Speaker 2>because Charlie writes funny, right, So first of all, can

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine Aaron Spelling? First of all, can you imagine

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<v Speaker 2>if you were dating Charlie Sheen? I feel like your

0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.760
<v Speaker 2>dad would be like no. But second of all, what

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like an accomplice to a crime? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like your dad would be like no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been some crazy press to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Virgin Donna. Virgin Donna who was still a virgin

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<v Speaker 2>at ninety six, because you don't become not a virgin

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<v Speaker 2>until ninety seven or eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Sheen found in hiding in and no one knew

0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.800
<v Speaker 1>we lived in the same building and Tory Spelling's house

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<v Speaker 1>like it just.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't a no. Oh, my gosh, So have you seen

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>I have, I have. So the next time I interfaced

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<v Speaker 1>with him was I you know, he was clean at

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<v Speaker 1>this point and I ran into Denise, who I knew Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah from nine us, from now and everything, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was dating him, so she was stopping by and then

0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.080
<v Speaker 1>they were married.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounded like a good Charlie Sheen era. That seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like two and a half men. He was doing great,

0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Denise was like doing awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was really good to him. And you know,

0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.560
<v Speaker 1>they were living in the condo. She moved in there,

0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.200
<v Speaker 1>he moved to the condo. So I don't know when

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<v Speaker 1>they moved out. I think maybe when she was pregnant

0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:51.440
<v Speaker 1>with Sammy they moved to a house. But yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you know that I've been good friends with Denise

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<v Speaker 1>forever and so I've seen her through these periods. Yeah, yeah, surely,

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<v Speaker 1>and I see how caring she is.

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<v Speaker 2>And for sure you see it in the documentary. You

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<v Speaker 2>feel it. She's so open in the documentary and vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 2>and like I cried because.

0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, OK, we're talking about making those sandwiches. Oh,

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the sandwiches, I know, the sandwiches film and he had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, prostitutes, and she's like, well, what, I'm not

0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.360
<v Speaker 1>going to make them a sandwich. Everyone has to eat.

0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:30.240
<v Speaker 2>The sandwich story is like unbelievable. She's just literally trying

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<v Speaker 2>to help and make turkey sandwiches and then like she's

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<v Speaker 2>like these weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like gourmets sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just making I mean, you can just see that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh my gosh, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been there and seen her do that. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I've been at her house with her kids for Fourth

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<v Speaker 1>of July one year, and she was making all this food.

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.920
<v Speaker 1>She loves to cook and nurture everybody, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and she was putting some aside and I'm like, what

0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 1>is that and she's like, oh, well, Charlie's going to

0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.760
<v Speaker 1>stop by later and I want him to be fed

0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 1>and have all this food, like yeah, And I remember

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.960
<v Speaker 1>him coming and we all watched the fire works together

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.639
<v Speaker 1>and I remember thinking, like I didn't ask her, but

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's not over. And that was the

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.160
<v Speaker 1>night I can see bo actually whoa, whoa, whoa.

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.119
<v Speaker 2>How do you know that? Oh my gosh, all right.

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that much sex at the end of our marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like you feel like Denise loves him, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's also a bit of a mothering role so that

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's not quite right. I really feel like

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Charlie's got it this time, but who knows. Tough that's

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 2>a tough disease.

0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Turn out to be like a Matthew Perry thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh horrible.

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:51.000
<v Speaker 1>You're like, yes, championing them, Yeah, go wrong. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>Denise saying, and I hope this isn't a spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 1>like I still love him. I felt that, and I

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:56.560
<v Speaker 1>know me too.

0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:01.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was like, especially like Denise's situation, You're like,

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe the timing is right.

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 2>And it was interesting how Charlie says he has no

0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 2>interest in dating. He's like, no yet, no, just after

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 2>all the things that y'all have been through. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, she seems mad, a little bit still a

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 2>little bit mad.

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:27.679
<v Speaker 1>She called him for CS bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>She seems a little mad at him.

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised she did it.

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 2>But also yeah, because I might be speaking out of school,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think you get paid to be in

0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 2>a documentary. I think you do it out of like

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.679
<v Speaker 2>the kindness of your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Oh, it's like, well if it's a

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>news one, but this one isn't.

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but yeah, I don't know. But she

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 2>seems a little mad that he outed her. And there's

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 2>some story as to why that happened. I don't remember.

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean according to this and I didn't know these facts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I know it was the travelers check, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's that's not he didn't have They found it.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, his name would never have come for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they correct, that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's mad that they caught her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they caught her somehow, and then they found this

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<v Speaker 2>travelers check. So that's why Charlie then testified because he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be in big trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, she's saying, well, he didn't have to testify against me,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's.

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<v Speaker 2>But he would have been, and he's already.

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<v Speaker 1>Looting that it was pandering something, yeah, because he was

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<v Speaker 1>head also shout out to the travelers check, like I

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<v Speaker 1>sort of remember those.

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't people have those? They wouldn't accept like checks?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know. It was like kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>weird thing, so psyched.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time I got to write a Traveler's Check.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I ever read a travelers Check, but

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<v Speaker 2>I vaguely remember like my parents having my dad having

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<v Speaker 2>like travelers Check. Oh boy, well all right, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lot, it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah story, I know. I ended up really liking him,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was cringey to watch the whole winning and

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<v Speaker 1>Tiger's Blood and that you really watch.

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<v Speaker 2>How ridiculous that all was and that he even knows

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<v Speaker 2>it was ridiculous. And then he goes on this tour,

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<v Speaker 2>the Live Nation Tour or whatever, the whole thing. You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>that was nuts. And also people were leaning into it

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<v Speaker 2>when they really should have been getting.

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<v Speaker 1>Him, but that was not He sold out Radio City

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<v Speaker 1>Music Hall.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the people were like, we couldn't understand a

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<v Speaker 1>word he was saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So funny. How now when people say winning, you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a cool that's not cool winning and you're like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>the tiger blood, yeah no, not good.

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<v Speaker 1>And good on Chuck doing this and like because that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally like but you also know, like you feel for

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<v Speaker 2>all those people because they just are like this wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>but this wasn't good.

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<v Speaker 1>But he owns it. He owns everything he said, he did.

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<v Speaker 1>All these past.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, but I love that you got dragged into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I wish Charlie would come on the pod.