Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Okay, So the
Speaker 1: new documentary aka Charlie Sheen, which is the two parter
Speaker 1: it's on Netflix right now, just came out. I gotta
Speaker 1: say I went into it watching and aiming. My friend
Speaker 1: and producer and co host at Oomg is here with
Speaker 1: me today.
Speaker 2: I watched this documentary too, and yeah, and I watched
Speaker 2: it right away, like I you did, and the shows
Speaker 2: on my list I want to watch, and this one
Speaker 2: I was like, nope, I'm gonna watch this right away.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know it came out to you said,
Speaker 1: I'm watching it right now, and I'm like, it's out.
Speaker 1: What did you.
Speaker 2: Think about it? And there's a reason we're talking about
Speaker 2: it because you're mentioned in the book, which we'll get to,
Speaker 2: so everybody, we're gonna we're gonna dig into why toy
Speaker 2: was mentioned. But what did you think of the.
Speaker 1: Doc Okay, So it came up for us both to
Speaker 1: watch because it did come out in the press quote
Speaker 1: from him from his book, which I didn't really understand.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was from the documentary from an interview, right.
Speaker 2: I was sort of hoping you were going to get
Speaker 2: mentioned in the doc but the book is there's some juicy.
Speaker 2: It's short, but it's juicy. So we'll talk about that,
Speaker 2: but overall, what are your feelings on.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I wanted to see the documentary kind of
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, we all know, we all know the
Speaker 1: story here. How is this going to be anything different?
Speaker 1: You know, I know he's been sober eight years, but
Speaker 1: you know what's different about this? And I got to
Speaker 1: say I left that documentary having a new like love
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen like say I'm back, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt the same. I felt like whoa, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm sort of I don't want to say team Charlie,
Speaker 2: but like almost like I want this guy, I get
Speaker 2: it right, yes, and to like have a good life.
Speaker 1: It was I'm getting chills and I'm not, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to bring it back to me because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't like to do that.
Speaker 2: No, I want to hear how you feel about it.
Speaker 1: When I felt very connected to him on a certain level,
Speaker 1: especially when John Cryer kind of became the through line
Speaker 1: of this documentary. And I don't know if they intended that,
Speaker 1: but from his first interview you start, he started to
Speaker 1: see it in that he realized that Charlie didn't know
Speaker 1: his worth, he didn't know.
Speaker 2: How you really feel for John Cryer in the documentary,
Speaker 2: I do you're like for John Cryer because he's such
Speaker 2: a nice guy who really, really, I believe wants the
Speaker 2: best for Charlie, but he's totally nervous, right, like concern
Speaker 2: that he's that this it could happen again. And then
Speaker 2: you also realize a little bit just how screwed John
Speaker 2: Cryer got in the situation. Yeah, because he's so steady
Speaker 2: and at work and doing a good job and trying
Speaker 2: to support and then Charlie gets all this money which
Speaker 2: John Cryer doesn't get, and you're sort of like, oh,
Speaker 2: oh wow. But then you have so much respect that
Speaker 2: John Cras showed up to do the documentary. He really
Speaker 2: does right by everybody always he does. But Charlie, she
Speaker 2: needs to reach out to John Crier in my opinion,
Speaker 2: Oh do you think they haven't talked? Well, Charlie sort
Speaker 2: of says in the now. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: have now, but Charlie sort of says in the documentary
Speaker 2: that somebody else asked John to do it, that Charlie
Speaker 2: owed him a text, but doesn't know if he has
Speaker 2: the number kind of a vibe and you're like, Charlie,
Speaker 2: you need to reach out to John Crier almost you
Speaker 2: need to say you're sorry again. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I felt like John Cryer like almost narrated
Speaker 1: this the whole documentary.
Speaker 2: And what did you think about the fact that Emilio
Speaker 2: Stevez and Stevez I don't want to say it wrong
Speaker 2: and Martin don't participate in the documentary. But yet Charlie
Speaker 2: totally acknowledges how important his dad is and how the
Speaker 2: love from his dad also saves.
Speaker 1: Him right and he I think he says at one point,
Speaker 1: this is almost like a love letter to his Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wondered because Martin Sheen's always been so outspoken, obviously,
Speaker 1: and they show so much of that. How he totally
Speaker 1: thought publicly for him. Yeah, I wonder why the switch
Speaker 1: of just the hold of private now and not comment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know my hot take on the whole
Speaker 2: documentary though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course Denise and.
Speaker 2: Charlie should get back together. Am I nuts thinking that now?
Speaker 1: I felt it too.
Speaker 2: It really felt like those two people, it's so so messy.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, and keep in mind when they
Speaker 1: met and they went on their first date, and she says,
Speaker 1: I came to his building, his condo in Westwood, like
Speaker 1: I lived there.
Speaker 2: So I thought, wait, wait, wait, wait, I did not
Speaker 2: know that part. You lived in the building where Charlie
Speaker 2: lived yet, Oh yes, which is this is different than
Speaker 2: even what's talked about in the book, which we'll get to.
Speaker 2: I lived through it all. Oh my god. All right,
Speaker 2: all right, okay, so let's go backwards to what he
Speaker 2: talks about. Let's go backwards to how you're connected. So
Speaker 2: I'm going to read to you, you know, a little
Speaker 2: paraphrase of what is in the book about you. So
Speaker 2: Charlie says, and this is in his book. At his book,
Speaker 2: I had a buddy named Kevin who lived a few
Speaker 2: floors above us with his high profile roommate Tory spelling. So,
Speaker 2: first of all, who's Kevin?
Speaker 1: So, Kevin is my best friend since we were fifteen.
Speaker 1: He's a dentist. He's been on misspelling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's your dentist.
Speaker 1: He did nineteen yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, my gift for
Speaker 1: my fiftieth birthday and then took me a year and
Speaker 1: a half to get him. But yeah, he was my
Speaker 1: roommate and at the time Kevin now has been sober
Speaker 1: for like, I don't know, twenty five years, a gazillion years,
Speaker 1: but at the time he was not sober and friends
Speaker 1: with Charlie and they were partying together.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it? And do you know what year about
Speaker 2: this is? Is this post nine O two one zero?
Speaker 2: Is this in the nineties? So this is like you're
Speaker 2: at your.
Speaker 1: Height, this is yes, I'm going to say ninety six ish.
Speaker 1: Does that line up? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That feels about right. So then Charlie continues, I pointed
Speaker 2: at a ceiling and didn't make it past the K
Speaker 2: and his name, so that's Kevin obviously. When Zip shook
Speaker 2: his head, So who's Zip his bodyguard? Okay, and it
Speaker 2: says Zip, Zip telling me he'd already asked them. Zip
Speaker 2: explained that Tory felt bad for me but viewed my
Speaker 2: situation as radioactive and didn't want to go anywhere near it.
Speaker 2: So basically, they've asked to you, guys, if Charlie can
Speaker 2: move in with you.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna get the memory exactly right, but
Speaker 1: keep in mind, at this point in the program, I
Speaker 1: recall and I've talked about this in my book that
Speaker 1: Charlie was always having parties.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Where was this building is? Was this one of
Speaker 2: these fancy high rises in Westwood.
Speaker 1: Called the Wilshire?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Westwood. Yes, it's like fancy Dorman type of vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be Tina on the outside Dorman yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And I feel like Kendall Jenner lived there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like so random in LA because you always
Speaker 2: think of people with these like sprawling mansions, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people love these like very very very expensive condos,
Speaker 2: high rise buildings on Wilshire.
Speaker 1: Okay, then I moved in. It was like me, Charlie, Sheen, Rodney, Dangerfield,
Speaker 1: fair Enough, Opposit, all living in the same building. Good night,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, whoa, it was a little wild. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let me set the stage. I remember I went
Speaker 1: to a Playboy mansion party because that's when all the
Speaker 1: Playboy mansions like Summer, Midsummer Night's Dream all that. It
Speaker 1: was very in to go. Kevin, my roommate, and I
Speaker 1: went with some friends. We came back and it was
Speaker 1: like relatively early, it was like midnight. I was upstairs
Speaker 1: because Charlie lived below, so.
Speaker 2: I right below.
Speaker 1: Or like a few below, so there were the way
Speaker 1: it was separated. There's two sets of elevators in the building,
Speaker 1: with two elevators that went to the north side or
Speaker 1: the south side on each side.
Speaker 2: And are these like fancy elevators that open up into
Speaker 2: your place. It's not like some long hallway of apartments.
Speaker 1: Oh no, there comes to your floor.
Speaker 2: If you're like, this is not my apartments, elevators zeros, okay?
Speaker 2: Got It opens up.
Speaker 1: Into your what we would call vestibule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which also gives me a claustrophobic panic
Speaker 2: attack if they could go into the vestibule and the
Speaker 2: elevator doors closed and you can't get into the door,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: And the doors open. But okay, so the phone rings,
Speaker 1: the phone rings, and it's one of the dormen cause
Speaker 1: you can connect. They can call you saying Kevin's trying
Speaker 1: to reach you from Charlie's Can I patch you through?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh?
Speaker 1: And I like yeah, sure, so and then Kevin's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, You've got to get down here. You
Speaker 1: got to come to this party. I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're done, and like we're going to bed. I was
Speaker 1: with my friend Eileen. We're not coming, okay, my hair
Speaker 1: stylas on nine on two and oh, we're not coming,
Speaker 1: and he's like, please please please, like you would aways
Speaker 1: do like T T please go.
Speaker 2: Did you think Charlie was hot at that time? Like Charlie,
Speaker 2: Charlie sort of in his prime. He's still very hot
Speaker 2: in the nineties, right, like meaning handsome hot, sexy hot,
Speaker 2: but also like pretty movie star ish hot, or had
Speaker 2: he sort of had a downturn. We didn't have to
Speaker 2: look at the timeline, but anyway, like.
Speaker 1: Were you like I don't know, but there there was
Speaker 1: during his the living the living situation that we lived
Speaker 1: both at the Wilshire. There was a time that Kevin
Speaker 1: was friends with him when they were both sober trying
Speaker 1: to be sober, and Kevin said, Charlie wants to ask
Speaker 1: you on a date, okay, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, that's like the cool, like you kind of want
Speaker 2: to go, but then you're also like nervous.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go alone. So he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going out to dinner with my parents, and Charlie
Speaker 1: and I both do his parents. So it was Kevin's parents,
Speaker 1: stop it, stop it, stop it. Kevin and Charlie and
Speaker 1: we went out to dinner. Stop it.
Speaker 2: You went on a day with Charlie Sheen with your
Speaker 2: friend Kevin and his parents.
Speaker 1: Correct, Can you remember where you went? I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: It was in Beverly Hills. It was like an Italian restaurant.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Were you trying to like flirt with Charlie or were
Speaker 2: you like what was happening?
Speaker 1: No, we were just like gay to know each other.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a quote unquote date, but it was
Speaker 1: like they were sort of they were trying to set
Speaker 1: us up.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: And what I learned that night was how unimaginably intelligent
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can totally tell me.
Speaker 1: And his humor was just so I was like this
Speaker 1: talk about charming, smart, funny, witty, like this guy was it,
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 2: So yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I remember I was nervous and they were. I was
Speaker 1: with a two addicts and I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to have wine, So I'm nervous, but they were both
Speaker 1: having tokes and I was like to fit in anyway,
Speaker 1: So how does.
Speaker 2: This turn into him wanting to live with you guys?
Speaker 2: And still there's a little more from the passage I
Speaker 2: want to read, but first I'm being on the back history.
Speaker 1: That was like the good moments, and then the bad
Speaker 1: moment is when I get the call come downstairs. Charlie's
Speaker 1: having this party. You have to come here please. So
Speaker 1: my friend and I go and I'm like, one second,
Speaker 1: We'll come by for one second. So we get off
Speaker 1: our elevator, walk across the lobby, get into the other elevator,
Speaker 1: go up to Charlie's apartment. The door's open. We walk
Speaker 1: into the vestibule, the door is shut. I knock on
Speaker 1: the door and the door opens, and Charlie is standing
Speaker 1: there and he's setting an apparatus. And he says, wait,
Speaker 1: he's what an apparatus? Holding some apparatus that I don't
Speaker 1: Oh no, and he said hot crack pipe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no business.
Speaker 1: I was like, a buddy, You're like no, yeah.
Speaker 2: Is this in the Heidi Flices era for him?
Speaker 1: Like what era? What Charlie Sheen era?
Speaker 2: Is this? I can't do the timeline it was.
Speaker 1: It was gnarly in this condo. The lights were all off,
Speaker 1: you know, so you're at his condo. We have a
Speaker 1: similar layout. I would assume I knew nothing yours.
Speaker 2: Was like shabby chic and his was not shabby chic.
Speaker 1: It was dark and there was just like I don't
Speaker 1: there was bodies everywhere. There were were you like scared? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, and I said no thanks, And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: what would you like? We have every drug? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. And he's like, okay, no problem.
Speaker 1: He's like, would you And.
Speaker 2: We can say this because he acknowledges this in the
Speaker 2: documentary and in the book. It's not like we're like
Speaker 2: telling something.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. And he then took me to
Speaker 1: the kitchen and he asked if I wanted to drink. Well.
Speaker 1: I was terrified because I was like, are there.
Speaker 2: Even then You're like, uh no, I go upstairs?
Speaker 1: No, and so yeah, I And then I think he
Speaker 1: lost interest in went off.
Speaker 2: And did the building. I feel like in those fancy buildings,
Speaker 2: like wouldn't people complain like isn't you know farah faucet
Speaker 2: like it's real loud in number six oh two or something.
Speaker 1: I never heard any complaints.
Speaker 2: But yet, Yeah, they're just voted.
Speaker 1: In fondo and not a goo for days. Oh no,
Speaker 1: oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Are Kevin and Charlie still friends?
Speaker 1: They are still friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. You know who seemed really lovely in that
Speaker 2: documentary is Charlie's like bestie, the guy that's been the
Speaker 2: bestie since like Tony childhood, who has his life like
Speaker 2: totally together but just was still very loyal and like,
Speaker 2: you gotta like respect Sean Penn for doing the documentary
Speaker 2: and like of course Denise and Brooke, like bless them all.
Speaker 2: It's it's messy, but it's also like you want this guy,
Speaker 2: I mean, especially like you want this guy to get
Speaker 2: it together. And the kids, I mean, I actually thought,
Speaker 2: even though they're a little crass, the sticky notes that
Speaker 2: he leaves for the sun for Bob are hilarious, hilarious,
Speaker 2: a little grass but yet and then hearing how the
Speaker 2: daughter and that's not Sammy, right, that's the other daughter.
Speaker 1: So Denise and Charlie have two daughters together. Sammy's the
Speaker 1: older onely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other one talks about how they go
Speaker 2: to pedicures.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was really cute and the name something.
Speaker 2: It was cute, like you see, and I think like
Speaker 2: some of the kids live with Charlie anyway, I mean,
Speaker 2: and you have look when Denise, nothing made you kind
Speaker 2: of really realize how what a good person Denise is.
Speaker 2: Then when she took in the other kids, it was
Speaker 2: like that was she can sort of do no wrong
Speaker 2: in my eyes, because that was so.
Speaker 1: I remember that time.
Speaker 2: That was so wow. All right, so so tell me
Speaker 2: so then you just say, no, wh why does Charlie
Speaker 2: need to live with you? That's what I don't understand,
Speaker 2: is you like down on his luck.
Speaker 1: So this is when the US Marshals had warrant.
Speaker 2: I guess for his arrest because of Heidi flies.
Speaker 1: No. This is later. This is when his dad was
Speaker 1: like going public on TV and saying, please if anyone sees,
Speaker 1: my gosh and find him. He had escaped, right, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I don't want to tell tales out of school.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: Just do your best, do your best, read the book
Speaker 2: and watch the documentary. People will be happy. This is
Speaker 2: around the time where he was arrested in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six for what Yes, ninety six, this is it for
Speaker 2: this seems not good for I'm just going to read this.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem good. He was arrested in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six for attacking a girlfriend at his California home. He
Speaker 2: was placed on probation after pleading no contest to a
Speaker 2: misdemeanor battery charge. He was then arrested again in two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, so that's much later. So maybe this
Speaker 2: was that thing. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought it was drug related and he left like
Speaker 1: the rehab they put him in. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if you get a rested for that. All I know
Speaker 1: is that I was standing in my laundry room because okay,
Speaker 1: I'm stand in my laundry room and Kevin comes in
Speaker 1: and says, Tea, I need to ask you a favor.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, of course anything. And he's like,
Speaker 1: can we hide charge?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, yeah, this is the question. And I
Speaker 1: had seen that. I knew what was happening in the
Speaker 1: news and this was bad news. That sounds like a crime,
Speaker 1: and ampless. Yeah, I am hiding him. They're actively searching
Speaker 1: for him, like helicopters. What if I were to hide
Speaker 1: him first of all? Yeah, no, So I said, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? I was like, no, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: He's like, Tea, you're a stand like they're going to
Speaker 1: arrest him, You're gonna take him away. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think he's a really great guy. I
Speaker 1: like him. I couldn't know, and he's like, well, no
Speaker 1: one will know because the way he wanted to sneak
Speaker 1: him in is that every laundry room in these four
Speaker 1: condos on every floor is connected to a back hallway
Speaker 1: that leads to a service elevator. Oh okay, he wanted
Speaker 1: to sneak up the service elevator through the back hallway
Speaker 1: into my laundry room. So my voice was to hide
Speaker 1: him in like a laundry bin. It was like so.
Speaker 2: Hard, No, it was, Yeah, I think you would be
Speaker 2: committing a crime if you did that. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know if we have all the details right on
Speaker 2: all the things, like the helicopters seem a bit like maybe.
Speaker 1: The helicopters and I just remember the helicopter knew they
Speaker 1: arrested him in the building and took him away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Kevin at the time was like, great tea, they
Speaker 1: took Charlie away and like he needs help like that.
Speaker 1: This is like I understand, Like you guys aren't thinking
Speaker 1: straight right now. This is like crazy.
Speaker 2: So the little bit of the funnier part and quotes
Speaker 2: that is also in this passage, after he says zip
Speaker 2: explained that Tory felt bad for me but viewed my
Speaker 2: sitchuation is radioactive and didn't want to go anywhere near it.
Speaker 2: Good job, Tory, But then he writes, couldn't blame her,
Speaker 2: I suppose, But bleep man, who knows what story I'd
Speaker 2: be banging out right now if the heir to Daddy's
Speaker 2: throne that said. Yes, First of all, I bet the
Speaker 2: book is funny. We're gonna need to read the book
Speaker 2: because Charlie writes funny, right, So first of all, can
Speaker 2: you imagine Aaron Spelling? First of all, can you imagine
Speaker 2: if you were dating Charlie Sheen? I feel like your
Speaker 2: dad would be like no. But second of all, what
Speaker 2: I feel like an accomplice to a crime? I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like your dad would be like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: That would have been some crazy press to be.
Speaker 2: Like Virgin Donna. Virgin Donna who was still a virgin
Speaker 2: at ninety six, because you don't become not a virgin
Speaker 2: until ninety seven or eight.
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen found in hiding in and no one knew
Speaker 1: we lived in the same building and Tory Spelling's house
Speaker 1: like it just.
Speaker 2: Wasn't a no. Oh, my gosh, So have you seen
Speaker 2: Charlie over the years.
Speaker 1: I have, I have. So the next time I interfaced
Speaker 1: with him was I you know, he was clean at
Speaker 1: this point and I ran into Denise, who I knew Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah from nine us, from now and everything, and she
Speaker 1: was dating him, so she was stopping by and then
Speaker 1: they were married.
Speaker 2: That sounded like a good Charlie Sheen era. That seemed
Speaker 2: like two and a half men. He was doing great,
Speaker 2: Denise was like doing awesome.
Speaker 1: And she was really good to him. And you know,
Speaker 1: they were living in the condo. She moved in there,
Speaker 1: he moved to the condo. So I don't know when
Speaker 1: they moved out. I think maybe when she was pregnant
Speaker 1: with Sammy they moved to a house. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: obviously you know that I've been good friends with Denise
Speaker 1: forever and so I've seen her through these periods. Yeah, yeah, surely,
Speaker 1: and I see how caring she is.
Speaker 2: And for sure you see it in the documentary. You
Speaker 2: feel it. She's so open in the documentary and vulnerable,
Speaker 2: and like I cried because.
Speaker 1: I was like, OK, we're talking about making those sandwiches. Oh,
Speaker 1: the sandwiches, I know, the sandwiches film and he had,
Speaker 1: you know, prostitutes, and she's like, well, what, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to make them a sandwich. Everyone has to eat.
Speaker 2: The sandwich story is like unbelievable. She's just literally trying
Speaker 2: to help and make turkey sandwiches and then like she's
Speaker 2: like these weren't.
Speaker 1: Like gourmets sandwiches.
Speaker 2: I'm just making I mean, you can just see that.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my gosh, wow.
Speaker 1: But I've been there and seen her do that. Like
Speaker 1: I've been at her house with her kids for Fourth
Speaker 1: of July one year, and she was making all this food.
Speaker 1: She loves to cook and nurture everybody, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and she was putting some aside and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: is that and she's like, oh, well, Charlie's going to
Speaker 1: stop by later and I want him to be fed
Speaker 1: and have all this food, like yeah, And I remember
Speaker 1: him coming and we all watched the fire works together
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, like I didn't ask her, but
Speaker 1: I was like, it's not over. And that was the
Speaker 1: night I can see bo actually whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: How do you know that? Oh my gosh, all right.
Speaker 1: Wow, that much sex at the end of our marriage.
Speaker 2: So it's like you feel like Denise loves him, but
Speaker 2: it's also a bit of a mothering role so that
Speaker 2: it's like it's not quite right. I really feel like
Speaker 2: Charlie's got it this time, but who knows. Tough that's
Speaker 2: a tough disease.
Speaker 1: Turn out to be like a Matthew Perry thing, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh horrible.
Speaker 1: You're like, yes, championing them, Yeah, go wrong. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Denise saying, and I hope this isn't a spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: like I still love him. I felt that, and I
Speaker 1: know me too.
Speaker 2: I thought I was like, especially like Denise's situation, You're like,
Speaker 2: maybe the timing is right.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And it was interesting how Charlie says he has no
Speaker 2: interest in dating. He's like, no yet, no, just after
Speaker 2: all the things that y'all have been through. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh no, she seems mad, a little bit still a
Speaker 2: little bit mad.
Speaker 1: She called him for CS bitch.
Speaker 2: She seems a little mad at him.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised she did it.
Speaker 2: But also yeah, because I might be speaking out of school,
Speaker 2: but I don't think you get paid to be in
Speaker 2: a documentary. I think you do it out of like
Speaker 2: the kindness of your heart.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, it's like, well if it's a
Speaker 1: news one, but this one isn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I don't know. But she
Speaker 2: seems a little mad that he outed her. And there's
Speaker 2: some story as to why that happened. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I mean according to this and I didn't know these facts.
Speaker 2: Oh I know it was the travelers check, right, but
Speaker 2: she's that's not he didn't have They found it.
Speaker 1: And she's like, his name would never have come for me.
Speaker 2: Like they correct, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: That's what's mad that they caught her.
Speaker 2: Yes, they caught her somehow, and then they found this
Speaker 2: travelers check. So that's why Charlie then testified because he
Speaker 2: was going to be in big trouble.
Speaker 1: Right, she's saying, well, he didn't have to testify against me,
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 2: But he would have been, and he's already.
Speaker 1: Looting that it was pandering something, yeah, because he was
Speaker 1: head also shout out to the travelers check, like I
Speaker 1: sort of remember those.
Speaker 2: Why didn't people have those? They wouldn't accept like checks?
Speaker 2: And I don't know. It was like kind of a
Speaker 2: weird thing, so psyched.
Speaker 1: The first time I got to write a Traveler's Check.
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever read a travelers Check, but
Speaker 2: I vaguely remember like my parents having my dad having
Speaker 2: like travelers Check. Oh boy, well all right, I mean
Speaker 2: that's a lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah story, I know. I ended up really liking him,
Speaker 1: And it was cringey to watch the whole winning and
Speaker 1: Tiger's Blood and that you really watch.
Speaker 2: How ridiculous that all was and that he even knows
Speaker 2: it was ridiculous. And then he goes on this tour,
Speaker 2: the Live Nation Tour or whatever, the whole thing. You're like,
Speaker 2: that was nuts. And also people were leaning into it
Speaker 2: when they really should have been getting.
Speaker 1: Him, but that was not He sold out Radio City
Speaker 1: Music Hall.
Speaker 2: I know, it's nuts.
Speaker 1: And then the people were like, we couldn't understand a
Speaker 1: word he was saying.
Speaker 2: So funny. How now when people say winning, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's not a cool that's not cool winning and you're like, no,
Speaker 2: the tiger blood, yeah no, not good.
Speaker 1: And good on Chuck doing this and like because that was.
Speaker 2: Totally like but you also know, like you feel for
Speaker 2: all those people because they just are like this wasn't
Speaker 2: but this wasn't good.
Speaker 1: But he owns it. He owns everything he said, he did.
Speaker 1: All these past.
Speaker 2: Interesting, but I love that you got dragged into it.
Speaker 2: Pretty good.
Speaker 1: Oh, I wish Charlie would come on the pod.