1 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Okay, So the 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: new documentary aka Charlie Sheen, which is the two parter 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: it's on Netflix right now, just came out. I gotta 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: say I went into it watching and aiming. My friend 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: and producer and co host at Oomg is here with 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: me today. 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: I watched this documentary too, and yeah, and I watched 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: it right away, like I you did, and the shows 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: on my list I want to watch, and this one 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: I was like, nope, I'm gonna watch this right away. 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: I didn't even know it came out to you said, 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm watching it right now, and I'm like, it's out. 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: What did you. 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 2: Think about it? And there's a reason we're talking about 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: it because you're mentioned in the book, which we'll get to, 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: so everybody, we're gonna we're gonna dig into why toy 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: was mentioned. But what did you think of the. 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Doc Okay, So it came up for us both to 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: watch because it did come out in the press quote 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: from him from his book, which I didn't really understand. 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was from the documentary from an interview, right. 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: I was sort of hoping you were going to get 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: mentioned in the doc but the book is there's some juicy. 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: It's short, but it's juicy. So we'll talk about that, 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: but overall, what are your feelings on. 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: Okay, So I wanted to see the documentary kind of 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: being like, Okay, we all know, we all know the 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: story here. How is this going to be anything different? 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: You know, I know he's been sober eight years, but 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: you know what's different about this? And I got to 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: say I left that documentary having a new like love 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen like say I'm back, Like. 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt the same. I felt like whoa, Okay, 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 2: I'm sort of I don't want to say team Charlie, 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: but like almost like I want this guy, I get 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: it right, yes, and to like have a good life. 37 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: It was I'm getting chills and I'm not, you know, 38 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: trying to bring it back to me because you know, 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't like to do that. 40 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: No, I want to hear how you feel about it. 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: When I felt very connected to him on a certain level, 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: especially when John Cryer kind of became the through line 43 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: of this documentary. And I don't know if they intended that, 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: but from his first interview you start, he started to 45 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: see it in that he realized that Charlie didn't know 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: his worth, he didn't know. 47 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: How you really feel for John Cryer in the documentary, 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: I do you're like for John Cryer because he's such 49 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: a nice guy who really, really, I believe wants the 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: best for Charlie, but he's totally nervous, right, like concern 51 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: that he's that this it could happen again. And then 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: you also realize a little bit just how screwed John 53 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: Cryer got in the situation. Yeah, because he's so steady 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: and at work and doing a good job and trying 55 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 2: to support and then Charlie gets all this money which 56 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: John Cryer doesn't get, and you're sort of like, oh, 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 2: oh wow. But then you have so much respect that 58 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 2: John Cras showed up to do the documentary. He really 59 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: does right by everybody always he does. But Charlie, she 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: needs to reach out to John Crier in my opinion, 61 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: Oh do you think they haven't talked? Well, Charlie sort 62 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: of says in the now. I don't know if they 63 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: have now, but Charlie sort of says in the documentary 64 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: that somebody else asked John to do it, that Charlie 65 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: owed him a text, but doesn't know if he has 66 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: the number kind of a vibe and you're like, Charlie, 67 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: you need to reach out to John Crier almost you 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: need to say you're sorry again. Yeah. 69 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I felt like John Cryer like almost narrated 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: this the whole documentary. 71 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: And what did you think about the fact that Emilio 72 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: Stevez and Stevez I don't want to say it wrong 73 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: and Martin don't participate in the documentary. But yet Charlie 74 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: totally acknowledges how important his dad is and how the 75 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: love from his dad also saves. 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: Him right and he I think he says at one point, 77 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: this is almost like a love letter to his Yeah. Yeah, 78 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: I wondered because Martin Sheen's always been so outspoken, obviously, 79 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: and they show so much of that. How he totally 80 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: thought publicly for him. Yeah, I wonder why the switch 81 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: of just the hold of private now and not comment. 82 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know my hot take on the whole 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: documentary though. 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course Denise and. 85 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: Charlie should get back together. Am I nuts thinking that now? 86 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: I felt it too. 87 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: It really felt like those two people, it's so so messy. 88 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, and keep in mind when they 89 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: met and they went on their first date, and she says, 90 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: I came to his building, his condo in Westwood, like 91 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: I lived there. 92 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: So I thought, wait, wait, wait, wait, I did not 93 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: know that part. You lived in the building where Charlie 94 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: lived yet, Oh yes, which is this is different than 95 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: even what's talked about in the book, which we'll get to. 96 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: I lived through it all. Oh my god. All right, 97 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: all right, okay, so let's go backwards to what he 98 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: talks about. Let's go backwards to how you're connected. So 99 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to read to you, you know, a little 100 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: paraphrase of what is in the book about you. So 101 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: Charlie says, and this is in his book. At his book, 102 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: I had a buddy named Kevin who lived a few 103 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 2: floors above us with his high profile roommate Tory spelling. So, 104 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: first of all, who's Kevin? 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: So, Kevin is my best friend since we were fifteen. 106 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: He's a dentist. He's been on misspelling. 107 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's your dentist. 108 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: He did nineteen yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, my gift for 109 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: my fiftieth birthday and then took me a year and 110 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: a half to get him. But yeah, he was my 111 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: roommate and at the time Kevin now has been sober 112 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: for like, I don't know, twenty five years, a gazillion years, 113 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: but at the time he was not sober and friends 114 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: with Charlie and they were partying together. 115 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: Okay, got it? And do you know what year about 116 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: this is? Is this post nine O two one zero? 117 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: Is this in the nineties? So this is like you're 118 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: at your. 119 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: Height, this is yes, I'm going to say ninety six ish. 120 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Does that line up? Yeah? 121 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: That feels about right. So then Charlie continues, I pointed 122 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: at a ceiling and didn't make it past the K 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: and his name, so that's Kevin obviously. When Zip shook 124 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: his head, So who's Zip his bodyguard? Okay, and it 125 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: says Zip, Zip telling me he'd already asked them. Zip 126 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: explained that Tory felt bad for me but viewed my 127 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: situation as radioactive and didn't want to go anywhere near it. 128 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: So basically, they've asked to you, guys, if Charlie can 129 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: move in with you. 130 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna get the memory exactly right, but 131 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: keep in mind, at this point in the program, I 132 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: recall and I've talked about this in my book that 133 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Charlie was always having parties. 134 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Where was this building is? Was this one of 135 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: these fancy high rises in Westwood. 136 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: Called the Wilshire? 137 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Westwood. Yes, it's like fancy Dorman type of vibe. 138 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, be Tina on the outside Dorman yeah yeah yeah yeah. 139 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like Kendall Jenner lived there. 140 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like so random in LA because you always 141 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: think of people with these like sprawling mansions, but a 142 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: lot of people love these like very very very expensive condos, 143 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: high rise buildings on Wilshire. 144 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: Okay, then I moved in. It was like me, Charlie, Sheen, Rodney, Dangerfield, 145 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: fair Enough, Opposit, all living in the same building. Good night, 146 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, whoa, it was a little wild. Okay, 147 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: so let me set the stage. I remember I went 148 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: to a Playboy mansion party because that's when all the 149 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: Playboy mansions like Summer, Midsummer Night's Dream all that. It 150 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: was very in to go. Kevin, my roommate, and I 151 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: went with some friends. We came back and it was 152 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: like relatively early, it was like midnight. I was upstairs 153 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: because Charlie lived below, so. 154 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: I right below. 155 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: Or like a few below, so there were the way 156 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: it was separated. There's two sets of elevators in the building, 157 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: with two elevators that went to the north side or 158 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: the south side on each side. 159 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: And are these like fancy elevators that open up into 160 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: your place. It's not like some long hallway of apartments. 161 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: Oh no, there comes to your floor. 162 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: If you're like, this is not my apartments, elevators zeros, okay? 163 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: Got It opens up. 164 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: Into your what we would call vestibule. 165 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which also gives me a claustrophobic panic 166 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: attack if they could go into the vestibule and the 167 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: elevator doors closed and you can't get into the door, 168 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: I mean. 169 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: And the doors open. But okay, so the phone rings, 170 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: the phone rings, and it's one of the dormen cause 171 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: you can connect. They can call you saying Kevin's trying 172 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: to reach you from Charlie's Can I patch you through? 173 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh? 174 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: And I like yeah, sure, so and then Kevin's like, 175 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: oh my god, You've got to get down here. You 176 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: got to come to this party. I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 177 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: we're done, and like we're going to bed. I was 178 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: with my friend Eileen. We're not coming, okay, my hair 179 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: stylas on nine on two and oh, we're not coming, 180 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: and he's like, please please please, like you would aways 181 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: do like T T please go. 182 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: Did you think Charlie was hot at that time? Like Charlie, 183 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: Charlie sort of in his prime. He's still very hot 184 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: in the nineties, right, like meaning handsome hot, sexy hot, 185 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: but also like pretty movie star ish hot, or had 186 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: he sort of had a downturn. We didn't have to 187 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 2: look at the timeline, but anyway, like. 188 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: Were you like I don't know, but there there was 189 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: during his the living the living situation that we lived 190 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: both at the Wilshire. There was a time that Kevin 191 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: was friends with him when they were both sober trying 192 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: to be sober, and Kevin said, Charlie wants to ask 193 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: you on a date, okay, and I was. 194 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: Like, that's like the cool, like you kind of want 195 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: to go, but then you're also like nervous. 196 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to go alone. So he's like, well, 197 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm going out to dinner with my parents, and Charlie 198 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: and I both do his parents. So it was Kevin's parents, 199 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: stop it, stop it, stop it. Kevin and Charlie and 200 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: we went out to dinner. Stop it. 201 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: You went on a day with Charlie Sheen with your 202 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: friend Kevin and his parents. 203 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: Correct, Can you remember where you went? I'm trying to think. 204 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: It was in Beverly Hills. It was like an Italian restaurant. 205 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. 206 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: Were you trying to like flirt with Charlie or were 207 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: you like what was happening? 208 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: No, we were just like gay to know each other. 209 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: And it wasn't a quote unquote date, but it was 210 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: like they were sort of they were trying to set 211 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: us up. 212 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, sure. 213 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: And what I learned that night was how unimaginably intelligent 214 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: he is. 215 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can totally tell me. 216 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: And his humor was just so I was like this 217 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: talk about charming, smart, funny, witty, like this guy was it, 218 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: you know? 219 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 2: So yeah, And. 220 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: I remember I was nervous and they were. I was 221 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: with a two addicts and I was like, I want 222 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: to have wine, So I'm nervous, but they were both 223 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: having tokes and I was like to fit in anyway, 224 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: So how does. 225 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: This turn into him wanting to live with you guys? 226 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: And still there's a little more from the passage I 227 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: want to read, but first I'm being on the back history. 228 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: That was like the good moments, and then the bad 229 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: moment is when I get the call come downstairs. Charlie's 230 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: having this party. You have to come here please. So 231 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: my friend and I go and I'm like, one second, 232 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: We'll come by for one second. So we get off 233 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: our elevator, walk across the lobby, get into the other elevator, 234 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: go up to Charlie's apartment. The door's open. We walk 235 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: into the vestibule, the door is shut. I knock on 236 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: the door and the door opens, and Charlie is standing 237 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: there and he's setting an apparatus. And he says, wait, 238 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: he's what an apparatus? Holding some apparatus that I don't 239 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: Oh no, and he said hot crack pipe. 240 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no business. 241 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: I was like, a buddy, You're like no, yeah. 242 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: Is this in the Heidi Flices era for him? 243 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: Like what era? What Charlie Sheen era? 244 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 2: Is this? I can't do the timeline it was. 245 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: It was gnarly in this condo. The lights were all off, 246 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, so you're at his condo. We have a 247 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: similar layout. I would assume I knew nothing yours. 248 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: Was like shabby chic and his was not shabby chic. 249 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: It was dark and there was just like I don't 250 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: there was bodies everywhere. There were were you like scared? Yes, yeah, 251 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: he said, and I said no thanks, And he's like, well, 252 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: what would you like? We have every drug? And I 253 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. And he's like, okay, no problem. 254 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: He's like, would you And. 255 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: We can say this because he acknowledges this in the 256 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: documentary and in the book. It's not like we're like 257 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: telling something. 258 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. And he then took me to 259 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: the kitchen and he asked if I wanted to drink. Well. 260 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: I was terrified because I was like, are there. 261 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,359 Speaker 2: Even then You're like, uh no, I go upstairs? 262 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: No, and so yeah, I And then I think he 263 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: lost interest in went off. 264 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: And did the building. I feel like in those fancy buildings, 265 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: like wouldn't people complain like isn't you know farah faucet 266 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: like it's real loud in number six oh two or something. 267 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: I never heard any complaints. 268 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: But yet, Yeah, they're just voted. 269 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: In fondo and not a goo for days. Oh no, 270 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: oh yeah. 271 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: Are Kevin and Charlie still friends? 272 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: They are still friends. 273 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. You know who seemed really lovely in that 274 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: documentary is Charlie's like bestie, the guy that's been the 275 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: bestie since like Tony childhood, who has his life like 276 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: totally together but just was still very loyal and like, 277 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: you gotta like respect Sean Penn for doing the documentary 278 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: and like of course Denise and Brooke, like bless them all. 279 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: It's it's messy, but it's also like you want this guy, 280 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: I mean, especially like you want this guy to get 281 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: it together. And the kids, I mean, I actually thought, 282 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: even though they're a little crass, the sticky notes that 283 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: he leaves for the sun for Bob are hilarious, hilarious, 284 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: a little grass but yet and then hearing how the 285 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: daughter and that's not Sammy, right, that's the other daughter. 286 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: So Denise and Charlie have two daughters together. Sammy's the 287 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: older onely. 288 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other one talks about how they go 289 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: to pedicures. 290 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, it was really cute and the name something. 291 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: It was cute, like you see, and I think like 292 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: some of the kids live with Charlie anyway, I mean, 293 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: and you have look when Denise, nothing made you kind 294 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: of really realize how what a good person Denise is. 295 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: Then when she took in the other kids, it was 296 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: like that was she can sort of do no wrong 297 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: in my eyes, because that was so. 298 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I remember that time. 299 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: That was so wow. All right, so so tell me 300 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: so then you just say, no, wh why does Charlie 301 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: need to live with you? That's what I don't understand, 302 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: is you like down on his luck. 303 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: So this is when the US Marshals had warrant. 304 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: I guess for his arrest because of Heidi flies. 305 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: No. This is later. This is when his dad was 306 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: like going public on TV and saying, please if anyone sees, 307 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: my gosh and find him. He had escaped, right, Oh 308 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: my god, I don't want to tell tales out of school. 309 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm not. 310 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: Just do your best, do your best, read the book 311 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: and watch the documentary. People will be happy. This is 312 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: around the time where he was arrested in nineteen ninety 313 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: six for what Yes, ninety six, this is it for 314 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: this seems not good for I'm just going to read this. 315 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't seem good. He was arrested in nineteen ninety 316 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: six for attacking a girlfriend at his California home. He 317 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: was placed on probation after pleading no contest to a 318 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: misdemeanor battery charge. He was then arrested again in two 319 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: thousand and nine, so that's much later. So maybe this 320 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: was that thing. I don't know. 321 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: I thought it was drug related and he left like 322 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: the rehab they put him in. But I don't know 323 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: if you get a rested for that. All I know 324 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: is that I was standing in my laundry room because okay, 325 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: I'm stand in my laundry room and Kevin comes in 326 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: and says, Tea, I need to ask you a favor. 327 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, of course anything. And he's like, 328 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: can we hide charge? 329 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 2: No? 330 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, yeah, this is the question. And I 331 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: had seen that. I knew what was happening in the 332 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: news and this was bad news. That sounds like a crime, 333 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: and ampless. Yeah, I am hiding him. They're actively searching 334 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: for him, like helicopters. What if I were to hide 335 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: him first of all? Yeah, no, So I said, are 336 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: you kidding me? I was like, no, I'm not doing that. 337 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: He's like, Tea, you're a stand like they're going to 338 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: arrest him, You're gonna take him away. And I was like, 339 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think he's a really great guy. I 340 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: like him. I couldn't know, and he's like, well, no 341 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: one will know because the way he wanted to sneak 342 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: him in is that every laundry room in these four 343 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: condos on every floor is connected to a back hallway 344 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: that leads to a service elevator. Oh okay, he wanted 345 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: to sneak up the service elevator through the back hallway 346 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: into my laundry room. So my voice was to hide 347 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: him in like a laundry bin. It was like so. 348 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: Hard, No, it was, Yeah, I think you would be 349 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: committing a crime if you did that. I mean, I 350 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: don't know if we have all the details right on 351 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: all the things, like the helicopters seem a bit like maybe. 352 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: The helicopters and I just remember the helicopter knew they 353 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: arrested him in the building and took him away. Yeah, 354 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: and Kevin at the time was like, great tea, they 355 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: took Charlie away and like he needs help like that. 356 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: This is like I understand, Like you guys aren't thinking 357 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: straight right now. This is like crazy. 358 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: So the little bit of the funnier part and quotes 359 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: that is also in this passage, after he says zip 360 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: explained that Tory felt bad for me but viewed my 361 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 2: sitchuation is radioactive and didn't want to go anywhere near it. 362 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: Good job, Tory, But then he writes, couldn't blame her, 363 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: I suppose, But bleep man, who knows what story I'd 364 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: be banging out right now if the heir to Daddy's 365 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: throne that said. Yes, First of all, I bet the 366 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: book is funny. We're gonna need to read the book 367 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: because Charlie writes funny, right, So first of all, can 368 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 2: you imagine Aaron Spelling? First of all, can you imagine 369 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: if you were dating Charlie Sheen? I feel like your 370 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: dad would be like no. But second of all, what 371 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 2: I feel like an accomplice to a crime? I mean, 372 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: I feel like your dad would be like no, no, no, no. 373 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: That would have been some crazy press to be. 374 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 2: Like Virgin Donna. Virgin Donna who was still a virgin 375 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: at ninety six, because you don't become not a virgin 376 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: until ninety seven or eight. 377 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen found in hiding in and no one knew 378 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: we lived in the same building and Tory Spelling's house 379 00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: like it just. 380 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: Wasn't a no. Oh, my gosh, So have you seen 381 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: Charlie over the years. 382 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: I have, I have. So the next time I interfaced 383 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: with him was I you know, he was clean at 384 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: this point and I ran into Denise, who I knew Yeah, yeah, 385 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: yeah from nine us, from now and everything, and she 386 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: was dating him, so she was stopping by and then 387 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: they were married. 388 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 2: That sounded like a good Charlie Sheen era. That seemed 389 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: like two and a half men. He was doing great, 390 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: Denise was like doing awesome. 391 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: And she was really good to him. And you know, 392 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: they were living in the condo. She moved in there, 393 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: he moved to the condo. So I don't know when 394 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: they moved out. I think maybe when she was pregnant 395 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: with Sammy they moved to a house. But yeah, and 396 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: obviously you know that I've been good friends with Denise 397 00:20:54,800 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: forever and so I've seen her through these periods. Yeah, yeah, surely, 398 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: and I see how caring she is. 399 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: And for sure you see it in the documentary. You 400 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: feel it. She's so open in the documentary and vulnerable, 401 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: and like I cried because. 402 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: I was like, OK, we're talking about making those sandwiches. Oh, 403 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: the sandwiches, I know, the sandwiches film and he had, 404 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, prostitutes, and she's like, well, what, I'm not 405 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: going to make them a sandwich. Everyone has to eat. 406 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: The sandwich story is like unbelievable. She's just literally trying 407 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 2: to help and make turkey sandwiches and then like she's 408 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: like these weren't. 409 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: Like gourmets sandwiches. 410 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: I'm just making I mean, you can just see that. 411 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: You're like, oh my gosh, wow. 412 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: But I've been there and seen her do that. Like 413 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: I've been at her house with her kids for Fourth 414 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: of July one year, and she was making all this food. 415 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: She loves to cook and nurture everybody, yeah, yeah, yeah, 416 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: and she was putting some aside and I'm like, what 417 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: is that and she's like, oh, well, Charlie's going to 418 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: stop by later and I want him to be fed 419 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: and have all this food, like yeah, And I remember 420 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: him coming and we all watched the fire works together 421 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, like I didn't ask her, but 422 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: I was like, it's not over. And that was the 423 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: night I can see bo actually whoa, whoa, whoa. 424 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: How do you know that? Oh my gosh, all right. 425 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: Wow, that much sex at the end of our marriage. 426 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: So it's like you feel like Denise loves him, but 427 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 2: it's also a bit of a mothering role so that 428 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: it's like it's not quite right. I really feel like 429 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: Charlie's got it this time, but who knows. Tough that's 430 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: a tough disease. 431 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: Turn out to be like a Matthew Perry thing, you know. 432 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: Oh horrible. 433 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: You're like, yes, championing them, Yeah, go wrong. Yeah, and 434 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: Denise saying, and I hope this isn't a spoiler alert, 435 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: like I still love him. I felt that, and I 436 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: know me too. 437 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: I thought I was like, especially like Denise's situation, You're like, 438 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 2: maybe the timing is right. 439 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. 440 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: And it was interesting how Charlie says he has no 441 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: interest in dating. He's like, no yet, no, just after 442 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: all the things that y'all have been through. It's like, 443 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: oh no, she seems mad, a little bit still a 444 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: little bit mad. 445 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: She called him for CS bitch. 446 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: She seems a little mad at him. 447 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm surprised she did it. 448 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: But also yeah, because I might be speaking out of school, 449 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 2: but I don't think you get paid to be in 450 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: a documentary. I think you do it out of like 451 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 2: the kindness of your heart. 452 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, it's like, well if it's a 453 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: news one, but this one isn't. 454 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I don't know. But she 455 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: seems a little mad that he outed her. And there's 456 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: some story as to why that happened. I don't remember. 457 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: I mean according to this and I didn't know these facts. 458 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 2: Oh I know it was the travelers check, right, but 459 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: she's that's not he didn't have They found it. 460 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: And she's like, his name would never have come for me. 461 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: Like they correct, that's what it was. 462 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: That's what's mad that they caught her. 463 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: Yes, they caught her somehow, and then they found this 464 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: travelers check. So that's why Charlie then testified because he 465 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: was going to be in big trouble. 466 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: Right, she's saying, well, he didn't have to testify against me, 467 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: and he's. 468 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: But he would have been, and he's already. 469 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: Looting that it was pandering something, yeah, because he was 470 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: head also shout out to the travelers check, like I 471 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: sort of remember those. 472 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 2: Why didn't people have those? They wouldn't accept like checks? 473 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: And I don't know. It was like kind of a 474 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: weird thing, so psyched. 475 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: The first time I got to write a Traveler's Check. 476 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: I don't think I ever read a travelers Check, but 477 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: I vaguely remember like my parents having my dad having 478 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: like travelers Check. Oh boy, well all right, I mean 479 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: that's a lot, it's a lot. 480 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah story, I know. I ended up really liking him, 481 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: And it was cringey to watch the whole winning and 482 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: Tiger's Blood and that you really watch. 483 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: How ridiculous that all was and that he even knows 484 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 2: it was ridiculous. And then he goes on this tour, 485 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: the Live Nation Tour or whatever, the whole thing. You're like, 486 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 2: that was nuts. And also people were leaning into it 487 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 2: when they really should have been getting. 488 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: Him, but that was not He sold out Radio City 489 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: Music Hall. 490 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: I know, it's nuts. 491 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: And then the people were like, we couldn't understand a 492 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: word he was saying. 493 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 2: So funny. How now when people say winning, you're like, oh, 494 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 2: that's not a cool that's not cool winning and you're like, no, 495 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: the tiger blood, yeah no, not good. 496 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: And good on Chuck doing this and like because that was. 497 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 2: Totally like but you also know, like you feel for 498 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: all those people because they just are like this wasn't 499 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: but this wasn't good. 500 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: But he owns it. He owns everything he said, he did. 501 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: All these past. 502 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: Interesting, but I love that you got dragged into it. 503 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: Pretty good. 504 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: Oh, I wish Charlie would come on the pod.