Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless,
Speaker 1: severely bug bitten in my case underwear listening Hunt Me podcast.
Speaker 1: You can't predict anything presented by First, like creating proven
Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear
Speaker 1: for every hunt first like go farther, stay longer. All right,
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Happy New Year. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel like because it's not what do you mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta just I's gonna come flat out and tell
Speaker 1: people we're recording this before. It's a long No, it's
Speaker 1: not a long story. Listening on the second dude, it
Speaker 1: takes him and stuff to turn around, So this is
Speaker 1: it's not the new year. We're gonna talk about new
Speaker 1: yourself because it's a new year mood. Dude, Like on Spotify,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was the stupidest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, God bless him loves Spotify. I listened to
Speaker 1: listen you wanna you wanna know something? I'm in the
Speaker 1: way ass. See in my house, I have a Sonos system,
Speaker 1: but I run Spotify through Sonos. I'm in the way
Speaker 1: ass top tier of time spent listening, and I am in.
Speaker 1: I am in the point oh one top percent of
Speaker 1: Sharon Vanett and fans Sharon Vanett and I've listening to
Speaker 1: more based on this room I listen. I listened to
Speaker 1: more Sharon van Att and theoint I don't. I can't
Speaker 1: even do the math If I'm in the top point
Speaker 1: oh one percent of fans? What what? Who am I? Who?
Speaker 1: How many more? What percent am I listening to more of?
Speaker 1: So you're so you're you're Spotify wrapped. Wasn't completely bungled
Speaker 1: by your kids? Because mine, that's its completely, it's gone.
Speaker 1: It doesn't know. Those sons of bitches. I can't stand
Speaker 1: when they do that. It's terrible. I've had, like I
Speaker 1: don't want to name names, but I had someone affiliated
Speaker 1: with my household really screw up my program. They weren't
Speaker 1: able to I like wage war on them on that.
Speaker 1: They have an Alexa you know the Alexa deals. It's
Speaker 1: it's tide to your account, right, Yeah, but you should
Speaker 1: not have Like Amazon never had any music, but now
Speaker 1: they have. They went they're kind of going to Spotify.
Speaker 1: Now they have a ton of music, but they just
Speaker 1: opened up something where you know, like normally they're like
Speaker 1: Amazon had its own service, but there wasn't a huge
Speaker 1: selection first launch, but now they've got a lot more.
Speaker 1: So you'd be like, uh, play me some hold addie, right,
Speaker 1: and they be like here, here's something similar. But now
Speaker 1: they got a bunch. Anyhow, somehow my kids figured out
Speaker 1: for a while how to get into Spotify. I was
Speaker 1: throwing my stuff off because they like those stupid songs.
Speaker 1: Now you're in the top. No, they're not into that,
Speaker 1: but they like a song called Pancake roll Dumb. It's
Speaker 1: just these these goofy songs. There's one that my kids
Speaker 1: love called jingle Burgers. It's just it's terrible. It's just
Speaker 1: it's adult singing and high pitched voices to just to like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, kids love it. And there
Speaker 1: was recently something that came out. Here's why I hate
Speaker 1: like one of the reasons I hate virality. This is
Speaker 1: a good kick off to the New Year's thing, right,
Speaker 1: one of the years I hate I hate Like. Did
Speaker 1: you say something that was everywhere? It was like a
Speaker 1: kid talking about corn. Oh yeah, it's like, who gets listen,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something, people, why you cute? People
Speaker 1: liked it? Because people liked it, meaning if I took
Speaker 1: a hundred Americans off. Let's say I had that recording
Speaker 1: and I'm the only guy that knew about the recording. Okay,
Speaker 1: I pull a hundred Americans randomly off the street. I
Speaker 1: sit them down, I say, watch this video on my phone.
Speaker 1: Is this a life changing video for you? They'd all go, no,
Speaker 1: kid's cute, Kid's cute. But no. However, if you pump
Speaker 1: into America's head that something has that like everyone is
Speaker 1: liking it. They like it. They like it because they
Speaker 1: like it. For instance, whenever it became like a thing
Speaker 1: to say, like a dad joke, Okay, once it had
Speaker 1: a name, it became a thing. But they need language,
Speaker 1: Like Americans need language to make things a thing, and
Speaker 1: they need like they're like a dad, this a dad
Speaker 1: bod Okay. So like this whole genre of like dad
Speaker 1: bob dad joke came out and then everybody becomes aware
Speaker 1: of it because there's now language to dis gribes something
Speaker 1: that's always existed, but they didn't know to care because
Speaker 1: they had no language around it. Likewise, the stupid kid
Speaker 1: with the corn thing, there's a song, but they took
Speaker 1: the kid talking about corn and said it the music.
Speaker 1: My kids play that all the time. Yeah, I used
Speaker 1: dad bod now, but before I would just be like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting kind of fat because you do you know what.
Speaker 1: People would describe The Whole Steady as dad rock. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's like drug addict. It's all about it's like they're
Speaker 1: all it's all drug addict stuff. Yeah, but they're all
Speaker 1: they're all cleaned up and old now so you're thinking
Speaker 1: as yacht rock. No, dad, dad rock is a dad.
Speaker 1: Dad rocks the thing. Yea rocks a whole different thing.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to I'm here with you. The Whole
Speaker 1: Steady is all about. Wilco is another example of dad rock.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, And there's like a lot of like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of weirdly, they have
Speaker 1: a lot of drug references and a lot of spousal
Speaker 1: abuse references, which is like a wrinkle the Whole Steady.
Speaker 1: It's just like drug addict music. It's like about drug addicts,
Speaker 1: but dads love it. It's not it's not like it's
Speaker 1: not you know, it's not music about dad's. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: a great band. Well the time about you were talking
Speaker 1: about how you're the best band ever sharing how it's like,
Speaker 1: oh I know what I was getting at. Jeez, man,
Speaker 1: it's been a long time since I started making my
Speaker 1: point point being it has the feeling of the end
Speaker 1: of the year because I just got served, uh my Spotify,
Speaker 1: that stupid thing with the like psychedelics on Spotify that
Speaker 1: tells you what you're up to. Over to course, your
Speaker 1: favorite genre is a song. It's just joining and it's
Speaker 1: all like you're looking through a kaleidoscope. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: like it. Um So, anyways, it's in the air. It's
Speaker 1: a long road to get there, but we got there
Speaker 1: in New Year's in the air. Chester just told me
Speaker 1: something New Year's ish. Yeah, there's a ice out there,
Speaker 1: starting to be some ice out there. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're you're dip, quit and plan. Oh yeah, Well I
Speaker 1: got two other buddies, and those guys are real into fitness.
Speaker 1: Are they real into dip? First of all? So yeah,
Speaker 1: but I want to get to how what you said
Speaker 1: wasn't that smart? We're going yeah, I'm I'm getting there.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not what I They're real into fitness,
Speaker 1: and all three of us occasionally like to dip. Actually
Speaker 1: occasionally we like to dip. And they were like how
Speaker 1: about whoever caves first, meaning we're gonna try and quit chewing,
Speaker 1: and whoever puts it a dip in their lip has
Speaker 1: to swim a mile in the pool. And I pointed out,
Speaker 1: if they're into fitness, how is it a punishment? I
Speaker 1: think if you had a bunch of like a bunch
Speaker 1: of unathletic fats's who hate any kind of exercise and
Speaker 1: they wanted to quit dip and the punishment would be
Speaker 1: you had to swim a mile in the pool. No,
Speaker 1: I get it, And that's why I responded to them,
Speaker 1: like how hard it is it to swim a mile
Speaker 1: in a pool? Like I need some context here because
Speaker 1: I could probably benefit from this swimming thing, you know.
Speaker 1: But they said it's extremely difficult, especially if you don't swim.
Speaker 1: So they don't want to swim the mile on the pool.
Speaker 1: I don't know because they I don't think they do,
Speaker 1: but you do see what I'm saying. Of course, It's
Speaker 1: it's like like you said, like if all of us
Speaker 1: were like, whoever has a drink first, they have to
Speaker 1: go hunting, like you, like you just said exactly when
Speaker 1: my old man quit smoking, and I'll tell what he did.
Speaker 1: He how he finally quit. It was like a money
Speaker 1: related bet. He gave ten to one odds and got
Speaker 1: to be There was no way he could afford to
Speaker 1: not There's no way he could afford to not quit
Speaker 1: because he was given ten dollars on the dollar to
Speaker 1: a bunch of people, a lot of people. How much
Speaker 1: did he make in the I think he made seven
Speaker 1: hundred if I remember right, he made seven hundred and
Speaker 1: would had a fork out seven grand if you didn't quit.
Speaker 1: It's better than swimming a mile in a pool making seven.
Speaker 1: Here's your thing. You're not getting anything out of winning, true?
Speaker 1: Oh you're getting is that It's like all you know
Speaker 1: is that somewhere someone swimming in the pool while mild
Speaker 1: Man's walking around the fat wallet. Maybe you can like
Speaker 1: stand on the edge of the pool and make sure
Speaker 1: he doesn't like touch the edge or something. You know,
Speaker 1: you could heckle him if you go a dred percent
Speaker 1: Zin does that count as queen chewing tobacco? I would
Speaker 1: just count it as nicotine, you know, is what I
Speaker 1: am addicted to. So you're trying to get off a
Speaker 1: nicotine altogether. Yeah, because you switched to dip alternative. Now
Speaker 1: you're doing the next thing, right, and I've I've tried
Speaker 1: tried quentin. I tried quitting about every other week probably. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, um, I like to follow the firm market, dude.
Speaker 1: This is like New Year's is. Because I was just
Speaker 1: reading the firm market report for coming up and uh,
Speaker 1: like the whole Russia things got everything whacked out in
Speaker 1: various ways. Uh, they buy a lot of her um traditionally,
Speaker 1: like a lot like us fur will go to Russia.
Speaker 1: The other thing is there's a sable market, so like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sable, they get trapped sable. Our
Speaker 1: European like Eurasian Martin, that's what they call sables. And
Speaker 1: when Martin, when American Martin are sold, they're sold as sable,
Speaker 1: so like in the old days you get like a
Speaker 1: sable brush that was like the hair in the brush,
Speaker 1: or like a sables scarf. Even American Martin I wind
Speaker 1: up being used as sable. So the Russians eyes buy
Speaker 1: a shipload of her and that's all screwed up. Uh. Oh,
Speaker 1: you know that the Russians. The Rooski's reached out trying
Speaker 1: to the Rooski reached out trying to do a Roosky
Speaker 1: version of one of our books. Pretty it felt pretty
Speaker 1: good to make a political statement because especially because it
Speaker 1: only cost five Yeah. I was like, I'm reading this thing,
Speaker 1: and do you remember what book it was? It was
Speaker 1: the Survival book, okay, the will Yeah, the Wilderness Skills Book,
Speaker 1: which they may need over there, I know. So like
Speaker 1: this Russian publisher wanted to buy our will buy, then
Speaker 1: by the Russian rights to do a translation of the
Speaker 1: Wilderness Skills Book, and then the whole time I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is like, you know, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: like you can't do it. You know, you can't do
Speaker 1: it because all the boycott stuff. But man, but I
Speaker 1: got the end. It was only five bucks, so they'll
Speaker 1: be like hell no. I was like, oh good, not
Speaker 1: not costing me anything to be uh. So here's an
Speaker 1: interesting thing, man um beavers. So in the beaver market,
Speaker 1: beavers are sold as like most beavers go into that
Speaker 1: what's called the hatter market. So if you go back
Speaker 1: to the old days, you go back to the mountain
Speaker 1: man era. Um, all those beavers that were trapped by
Speaker 1: all those mountain man Rocky mountain beaver trappers and others
Speaker 1: were all used to make hats. They shred the whole
Speaker 1: thing and make wolf felt. Uh so Abe Lincoln like
Speaker 1: the top hat and all that, right, beaver wolf felt
Speaker 1: top has their water resistant warm very fashionable. Uh well,
Speaker 1: he might have been the silk hat era, because when
Speaker 1: when they started making hat some silk, it killed the
Speaker 1: old beaver market. But today everything but the best. So
Speaker 1: like you might have a lot of beavers that come
Speaker 1: out of the Upper Great Lakes, extreme northern Midwest, like
Speaker 1: very dark, heavy beavers like those go to certain uses.
Speaker 1: Most of all the beavers, most other beavers from the south,
Speaker 1: all the beavers in the West going to the hatter market.
Speaker 1: They're going to making statsuns. This this bobcat guy, Mercer Long,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be coming on the podcast. He used to
Speaker 1: be a he still is a fur trapper. But he
Speaker 1: also when researchers are trying to do catch bobcats, the
Speaker 1: collar him. He's the go to you guy when you
Speaker 1: want to put a collar on a bobcat. He's like
Speaker 1: Joe Bobcat. He sent me a text. Let me let
Speaker 1: me tell you another. Let me let me give you another.
Speaker 1: He has some interesting insights. He said this one day.
Speaker 1: So here's a here's him. Why does it bother me
Speaker 1: so much? These guys with this Why does it bother
Speaker 1: me so much? These guys with the seventy tho dollar
Speaker 1: land cruisers and jeeps with all the stupid ship bolted
Speaker 1: to the outside of it, water jugs, gasoline traction boards
Speaker 1: and handyman jack's. Can you imagine actually spending any time
Speaker 1: on dirt roads and one of those things all that
Speaker 1: crap it's bolt of them things just rattle off or
Speaker 1: the racks are just fall to pieces. Eventually, there isn't
Speaker 1: a single lift point on one of those vehicles that
Speaker 1: you could even use the high lift jack on. And
Speaker 1: then you see them out there when you're trapping on
Speaker 1: their big adventure, a dozen of them making a big
Speaker 1: deal about driving down a trail that you check traps
Speaker 1: on every single day most of the time. You'd be
Speaker 1: hard pressed to find a half bottle of water in
Speaker 1: your vehicle and your spare tire has been flattened the
Speaker 1: bed for a week and a half. No, this guy
Speaker 1: is really your buddy. This guy knows how to get
Speaker 1: to your heart. Here's a taxi to sent me. Do
Speaker 1: you suppose the liberal save all the animals? Hollywood? Folks
Speaker 1: involved with the TV show Yellowstone realize they are almost
Speaker 1: single handedly pushing the beaver market orders for forty to
Speaker 1: fifty thousand skins to supply the hatter industry. You suppose
Speaker 1: they even know that those Western hats are made with
Speaker 1: beaver felt. Probably not a lot of people do. But
Speaker 1: also the guy that runs Yellowstone, Taylor Shardan's a pretty
Speaker 1: centrist dude. He's not he's a beaver trapper. He's a
Speaker 1: face of friend of the beaver trappers. I keep we
Speaker 1: keep getting pitched a podcast guests from various angles, who's
Speaker 1: it sounds like an anti beaver trapper to get them on?
Speaker 1: They wrote beaver Land. I just got pitched them again.
Speaker 1: Today they have startling startling findings about the secretive contemporary
Speaker 1: fur trade. Oh so it's based on It's not like
Speaker 1: environmental No, it's about like, hey, beavers make damns. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like news alert and then um, you don't say,
Speaker 1: and then uh and then um it's it has startling
Speaker 1: discoveries about the contemporary fur trade. I don't maybe we
Speaker 1: should have that person. Definitely that sounds interesting. Uh oh,
Speaker 1: another heads up for we get we got caught things
Speaker 1: to talk about here's in our heads up, you know,
Speaker 1: like um speaking of like you know, the liberal Hollywood types.
Speaker 1: You know how all everything in Disney is like like
Speaker 1: how it's just like NonStop like anti hunting stuff, like
Speaker 1: if you watch it's not Disney, but like Wild Crats
Speaker 1: for instance, Like the bad guy is a wild game
Speaker 1: chef in Wild Crats. You watch that show? You kids?
Speaker 1: Ever watch that show? And like the these two brothers
Speaker 1: and I used to have an actual shoulder. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they got too old and they
Speaker 1: started they turned them into carton much younger cartoon people.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the hunters are always the bad guys, like
Speaker 1: when the animals are the characters, like the buffoon hunters, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a wild game chef. There's three, there's one. One
Speaker 1: of the bad guys is kind of like a very
Speaker 1: he's like an urban dweller, very fussy and and like
Speaker 1: how do I put it? How do I put it?
Speaker 1: Very effeminate, fussy urban knight who kind of hates animals.
Speaker 1: One of the bad ad guys is no joke, a
Speaker 1: chef who wants to like eat the last of things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know every other thing like if you
Speaker 1: watch a movie and there's a couple and there's a
Speaker 1: hunter in it. It's like, what is he? He's from
Speaker 1: the South, He's from the American South. He's careless and
Speaker 1: and like ruthless I have. This is a hot tip
Speaker 1: for parents with kids. Adventure Time. That's me and my
Speaker 1: kids show. I love it, ten fifteen minute episodes. We
Speaker 1: watched them that night before bed. All their houses taxidermy.
Speaker 1: They sleep under animal skins. Everything in their house is
Speaker 1: draped and animal hides. What's this one called adventure Time?
Speaker 1: It's a dystopian no it's like a utopian post apocalyptic
Speaker 1: world where like you gather that it's like also kind
Speaker 1: of fantasy in medieval it's like a whole it's it's cool.
Speaker 1: It's a cool. Humans are all gone except for one kid.
Speaker 1: In Animate objects have become animate and now and then
Speaker 1: you see like an ice burgl wash up on the
Speaker 1: beach and it's full of humans wearing business suits with
Speaker 1: pustules all over their face. Like humans are gone, and
Speaker 1: it's a kid and his dog and they have a
Speaker 1: lot of adventures and sometimes like I was watching one
Speaker 1: the other day and it just ends inexplicably. They just
Speaker 1: come in and he's holding like a big dead animal
Speaker 1: and drops it on the floor and his buddy's got
Speaker 1: an arrow sticking out of his head um, and yeah,
Speaker 1: they sleep under his bed. Is all bear hides and rugs.
Speaker 1: Where can you watch it? Is it like a YouTube?
Speaker 1: It was on it was on cartoon Network, but you
Speaker 1: can watch it. It's on HBO Max and like any
Speaker 1: sort of cartoon network. We have the kind of TV
Speaker 1: you talk into and um my kids just talking to
Speaker 1: it in one of those smart ones that they have now.
Speaker 1: They just talk into it and it plays it. But
Speaker 1: I don't understand where it's coming from. That's a hot
Speaker 1: to adventure time when when Oscar can start watching. It
Speaker 1: has a lot of talking animals. But I just I
Speaker 1: watch it for the taxidermy. I watched it for the
Speaker 1: I watch it for the tan hides, the beds made
Speaker 1: of nothing, but they just sleep under rugs. People like
Speaker 1: the ft up Bold tax Darmy calendar. Good. I mean
Speaker 1: they're never going to like as much as the deer
Speaker 1: stands calendar. But yeah, good, we well speaking to another good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a couple of ethics, a couple of ethics
Speaker 1: questions we gotta get into well, yeah, if you don't
Speaker 1: have a calendar for this year yet, would be ethical
Speaker 1: to buy one. Yeah, there's like just a few left, right,
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. I think I saw an email that
Speaker 1: it was like thousand I've already been shipped out. Oh
Speaker 1: so they sold a good pile. Yeah, oh sweet man.
Speaker 1: And then and then there was some of the promo,
Speaker 1: like like for certain orders. I think in the last
Speaker 1: like last year when they were getting rid of them,
Speaker 1: it was if you make any order, you could any
Speaker 1: you get a free calendar with any order. So people
Speaker 1: would order a calendar, right, because then you're buying like
Speaker 1: a cheap item, so you're paying like whatever, fourteen bucks,
Speaker 1: and then your free item is a calendar. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it's basically like two for one calendars and a lot
Speaker 1: of calendars sold like that. But yeah, it's not too late. You.
Speaker 1: I hope you can still go get him. We've talked
Speaker 1: about this, man. It comes up all the time. Here's
Speaker 1: a guy, here, here's a guy writes in states. As
Speaker 1: previously discussed on the podcast, hunters are placed in moral
Speaker 1: and legal dilemmas often I'm quoting. On the opening day
Speaker 1: of rifle season, I experienced quite the predicament, Still quoting
Speaker 1: Honey public Land, I heard someone shooting a small caliber
Speaker 1: semi automatic firearm, sending out multiple shots. After about ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen minutes, I hear an animal head in my direction.
Speaker 1: I look up to see a small buck, very wounded,
Speaker 1: limping into the area. Upon looking at him through my scope,
Speaker 1: I can see that he has been shot through the
Speaker 1: front leg at the joint. Upon seeing this, decided to
Speaker 1: do the morally correct thing and dispatch the deer. As
Speaker 1: I checked out the deer, I began to see he
Speaker 1: was shot multiple times, twice in the neck, once through
Speaker 1: the front leg, and once in the ham. I proceeded
Speaker 1: away over an hour and hopes that someone would show
Speaker 1: up looking for the deer they had wounded. But they
Speaker 1: put about as much time in finding the wounded animal
Speaker 1: as they did at the gun range. I know taking
Speaker 1: a wounded animal has been discussed on the podcast before,
Speaker 1: but how would you have played this one? Use your
Speaker 1: only rifle buck tag on a small buck that has
Speaker 1: been shot up, harvest the animal and not tag him
Speaker 1: let him walk. I respect the opinions from the meat eater,
Speaker 1: as y'all do the nice nice He ends with some
Speaker 1: nice things um, what would you have done? I want
Speaker 1: to first lay out like what you should, what you
Speaker 1: what you need legally? This is what This is why
Speaker 1: I saw about ethics because I've been in a situation.
Speaker 1: I've been in a station situation two times more than that. Well,
Speaker 1: I was in a situation yesterday in a weird way
Speaker 1: because I'm driving down the road. We're going out set
Speaker 1: some Martin sets, and there's a deer all busted up
Speaker 1: on the side of the road, laying there looking around
Speaker 1: cars whizzing by. You can see where to kind of
Speaker 1: dragged itself off into the snow, And like we thought
Speaker 1: about alwaysould probably shoot deer that you're actually not supposed
Speaker 1: to do that, right, that's breaking the law. It's breaking
Speaker 1: a law to shoot the deer. But twice I have
Speaker 1: killed severely messed up deer that I did not tag.
Speaker 1: One time, the first time I did it, We're camping
Speaker 1: and I took a backstrap off it, and then I
Speaker 1: felt like kind of bad about that. You stepped across
Speaker 1: the line at that. Well, it was listen, it was
Speaker 1: a deer that got hit in the lower back ham.
Speaker 1: It was just pack full of dirt. The leg was
Speaker 1: just dragon. Oh just a mess, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna it's like a total mess. It was
Speaker 1: obviously a hunting related it was hunting season. You could
Speaker 1: tell it had been shot. Um I shot it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I don't want to, like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And that night we ate a backstrap, which was wrong,
Speaker 1: but that was probably more I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: want that. One's moral legally wrong for sure. The other
Speaker 1: time I killed one a little fun. They had gotten
Speaker 1: out onto an island in a river and it had
Speaker 1: been hamstrung by coyotes. It was just a total mess
Speaker 1: and dieing anyways, and I shot it. Didn't touch it.
Speaker 1: Both times that was illegal because you didn't use your tag,
Speaker 1: didn't use a tag, and didn't contact game warden. So
Speaker 1: I'll do mine that you guys can do years. I'll
Speaker 1: do mine for what I think this individual, what I
Speaker 1: would have done in this individual shoes, if I was
Speaker 1: being my best person. Yeah, if you're being any best person,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have messed with it. If you didn't want it,
Speaker 1: your second best person, you just shot it. Realized it
Speaker 1: was full of holes, realize that no one came and
Speaker 1: looked for it, and call a game ward and be like,
Speaker 1: I don't I saw a deer coming, I knew it
Speaker 1: was shot, I shot it. I didn't realize it was
Speaker 1: this shot. And where the hell's the guy that shot it?
Speaker 1: I think if you, if you really laid it out
Speaker 1: and the in the game, Warden was quite convinced you're
Speaker 1: telling the truth, there's a good chance and he probably
Speaker 1: he probably would have done some asking around about who
Speaker 1: had been plugging away at it and probably would not
Speaker 1: have forced you to take it. If you're like like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, here it comes. It's got four brand
Speaker 1: new holes in it. I don't want it, but who
Speaker 1: where is he? Yeah? I think if I would, I'd
Speaker 1: shoot the deer, go up to it and realize how
Speaker 1: shot up it was. If you, if I could get
Speaker 1: a bunch of meat off, I'd probably just take the deer.
Speaker 1: But if it was just demolished, what if it was
Speaker 1: your only buck tag? Yeah, you had like another week
Speaker 1: to hunt chester. I I mean, I'd love to shoot
Speaker 1: a bigger buck, but it's just like meat. At least
Speaker 1: at this point in my life, the meat is more
Speaker 1: important than that. But in this case, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: like the meat is gonna be all right shot up,
Speaker 1: And if it was all shot up, I'd do exactly
Speaker 1: what you guys are saying and called the called the
Speaker 1: game warden. I've tagged two shot up animals are tagged
Speaker 1: A shot up turkey with Yanni and we jumped it
Speaker 1: out of brush pole and that couldn't fly and I
Speaker 1: shot it tagged um full story. I think we're it
Speaker 1: was like the last couple of minutes of our hunt. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I shot a cous deer on the show
Speaker 1: one time they've been shot through the foot. She got
Speaker 1: some yield off of that, though it's not wrong shot.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is, uh, after I killed it, we're caught
Speaker 1: it up and here comes the guy. We got to
Speaker 1: hit it a couple of days before in the foot
Speaker 1: and still all the mountains looking for it. M hm.
Speaker 1: In Arizona wasn't on that one. Do you give it
Speaker 1: to him? No? He was totally cool about it, and
Speaker 1: he didn't want, He just wanted. He was still up
Speaker 1: looking for You want to know what happened? He was
Speaker 1: happy to ship. I just like, is it like the
Speaker 1: morally correct thing to do? Like? Are you morally obligated? Like?
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's would now now knowing? Would
Speaker 1: I now know? I would just if I knew something
Speaker 1: was messed up, I'd be like, let's they tell you
Speaker 1: not the mess that I'm not gonna miss. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're morally obligated to do anything. The
Speaker 1: one area I think that, the one area where I
Speaker 1: think that I used to practice civil disobedience is picking
Speaker 1: up road kill stuff back when it was illegal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and mostly now it's like more every year, like more
Speaker 1: and more states make illegal. When it was illegal to
Speaker 1: pick up road kill, I would picked up road kill.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even be discreet about it. And I was
Speaker 1: looking forward to going down to court and being like, yes,
Speaker 1: your honor, there was a deer dead on the side
Speaker 1: of the road that was gonna rob on the side
Speaker 1: of the road, and I ate it. Guilty is charged?
Speaker 1: Have you shot? And to see what actually happens to you?
Speaker 1: Have you done the putting a wounded animal out and
Speaker 1: tagged or untagged? Or one time going up one thirty
Speaker 1: one one that was hit by a car. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a young hotshot ELK. I had always had
Speaker 1: a pistol in my car and just needed a reason
Speaker 1: to just charged that side of a gun, and there
Speaker 1: it was. I knew, I knew it was a reason
Speaker 1: carrying out for ten years. Um, I think that that's
Speaker 1: been that was the only time. Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I'm gonna burn my tag in that situation.
Speaker 1: That's no, I'm not. I mean, you can, but it's
Speaker 1: not like a thing. I don't feel like I have
Speaker 1: to do it for this reason that like this animal
Speaker 1: has to be put out of its misery. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. For some reason, the older I get, I
Speaker 1: don't believe in that quite as much anymore as I
Speaker 1: used to. I think those animals are a lot tougher
Speaker 1: than than than we think they are. And I think
Speaker 1: we're there's a little bit of anthropop or snation that
Speaker 1: goes on when we when we think, oh, let's put
Speaker 1: it out of its misery. You don't know how well
Speaker 1: that dear yesterday laying outside of the road, dude was
Speaker 1: not getting any better. No, it's not. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's gonna get any better. It's gonna we'll see here,
Speaker 1: it's gonna get eaten by something. But here's the art.
Speaker 1: Here's another wrinkle in this to consider. These are huge.
Speaker 1: He'sawing about human caused, which I view like human part
Speaker 1: of nature. I know. No, that's good point, that's good point.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's the morally correct thing because that's
Speaker 1: the one you saw. Like if you're out there hunting
Speaker 1: in firearms season in Wisconsin, there is a she it
Speaker 1: load of bounded deer running around in the woods. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But just because it's the one
Speaker 1: you saw it, you know what I mean, it's my
Speaker 1: it's my belief that, like we talked about this a
Speaker 1: long time yesterday I was talking without some folks. It's
Speaker 1: my belief that the wound loss on archery elk is
Speaker 1: one to one. Everyone I know that archery hunts has
Speaker 1: a story. Man, it's one to one I think for
Speaker 1: every elk to dies and elkots wounded. So if you
Speaker 1: imagine all those like you know, and so many of
Speaker 1: those recover, it's kind of like, yeah, you see something
Speaker 1: coming along, you don't know what it's gonna happen to it.
Speaker 1: Here's a good one. I recently harvested a duck that
Speaker 1: caused me some confusion. Yesterday I was out jumped shooting
Speaker 1: some local creeks. This is really interesting. I had bag
Speaker 1: three green heads. That's good, that's a good little jump shoot.
Speaker 1: I had bag three green heads. And because the limit
Speaker 1: is four mallards here in Skinny Chester, I could shoot
Speaker 1: one more. As I walked along, a flock of three
Speaker 1: erupted from the bank below me. I picked out the
Speaker 1: one bird of the green head, and a white collar
Speaker 1: pulled up and crunched it. Hadn't heard that before. Crunched
Speaker 1: it means you got it. Yeah. I had never heard
Speaker 1: anybody used crunched in the place of got it, shot it,
Speaker 1: folded it, folded it ever ever heard anybody's little aggressive
Speaker 1: Just this is the first time right now, just imagining
Speaker 1: bones shattering, which I don't think is the image that
Speaker 1: you want. Well, I think a lot. I did some
Speaker 1: waterfowl hunting last week, and sometimes when you do get
Speaker 1: like a really good shot on one and they crumpled it,
Speaker 1: they crumpled, which I could see. I could see that
Speaker 1: that could you know you could flip that to crunch
Speaker 1: pretty easy, kind of look like they get pillowed pillowed.
Speaker 1: And when I was in college, I had to do
Speaker 1: this thing. Did I tell you about this story? You'll
Speaker 1: remember if I told you this, I found an academic
Speaker 1: paper because you're you know, you're usually here, right. I
Speaker 1: found an academic paper where they took a room full
Speaker 1: of women from a college who all knew each other, okay,
Speaker 1: and they had like fifteen minutes to think of all
Speaker 1: the words they could think of for male genitalia. I
Speaker 1: don't remember that. And then they took the same number
Speaker 1: I've heard it at least ten times you've heard us
Speaker 1: for they Hey, look a hunter sitting over there, like
Speaker 1: he wants to hear what they called. So, and they
Speaker 1: took the same number of guys that they got, found
Speaker 1: guys that all knew each other, and put them. It
Speaker 1: was a linguist that did the research. So the women
Speaker 1: all generated for fifteen minutes. Is free form generated his
Speaker 1: main names they could think of for male genitalia. Then
Speaker 1: you had a group of guys and they free form
Speaker 1: generated as many names for male genitialia as they could
Speaker 1: think of. And a stark difference in the stock like
Speaker 1: a stark difference in the lists. The males had forty
Speaker 1: figures like the commissioner, the Governor's terrible cojack like authority figures.
Speaker 1: So the authority figures were coming from the men I'm
Speaker 1: guessing yeah, yeah, for sure. And the female is just
Speaker 1: like a wildly different list, you know, like like just
Speaker 1: like very different point being. I think it'd be like,
Speaker 1: thinking about this crunched, crunched, it would be interested to
Speaker 1: go around the country just like for five minutes, give me,
Speaker 1: you'd be like harvested, took right, somebould be like whacked
Speaker 1: crunch goods. Just have a map and what are the
Speaker 1: kind of terms? Need one for the gen z s? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the interesting research. So back to our duck hunter.
Speaker 1: I picked out the one bird of the green head
Speaker 1: and white collar, pulled up and crunched it. Something seemed
Speaker 1: off about the bird. I figured it was just a
Speaker 1: juvenile drake, seeing as I had harvested two of those
Speaker 1: already that day Harvard. When I stripped down waited across
Speaker 1: the creek, I was just saying, it's got some waiters.
Speaker 1: When I stripped down and waited across the creek, I
Speaker 1: found what was clearly a domestic duck. I have no
Speaker 1: ethical dilemma about shooting a domestic duck. I was in
Speaker 1: the heart of public land and escape Domestic breeds can
Speaker 1: be quite damaging to the genetics of our wild mallards.
Speaker 1: What I struggled with was whether or not it should
Speaker 1: count towards my limit of mallards or my limit of
Speaker 1: ducks at all. I understand that it's a descendant of
Speaker 1: a mallard, but a feral dog is a descendant of
Speaker 1: a wolf. Should you then be required to put your
Speaker 1: wolf permit on a feral dog? If you shot one?
Speaker 1: Last time I shot one, I didn't or say I
Speaker 1: had my own domestic ducks. If I already shoot a
Speaker 1: limit of wild ducks, would that prevent me from being
Speaker 1: able to butcher my own that day? He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's making a point, right. I don't think he's He's right.
Speaker 1: He's like asking, what are those hypothetical theoreticals? I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just laying out an extreme possibility. I think. Um.
Speaker 1: I I had a similar experience last year. My boy
Speaker 1: got a duck, UM, a strange duck, and we you
Speaker 1: speculated about what it was and more I did online research.
Speaker 1: I had found a it was a Mallard Muscovie cross,
Speaker 1: which even has a name. So then you're like, we
Speaker 1: counted it towards the limit. I would think that in
Speaker 1: this case, this individual, I would think that you might
Speaker 1: get cited, but when you went to court, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble. You'd have to how do you
Speaker 1: prove it's a domestic duck? Though, if if you cared
Speaker 1: that much you get it, you'd get it tested. It says,
Speaker 1: couldn't it be that that duck is just hatched out
Speaker 1: from a hand that made it, a wild hand that
Speaker 1: made it with ye you know, yeah, but you see
Speaker 1: those crazy like ponds full of those crazy like not
Speaker 1: quite mallards all the time. I mean it's one duck, Like,
Speaker 1: why not just call it a day, right? Because he's
Speaker 1: a curious person. I look at this all this job,
Speaker 1: look at all of his like another one credentials, He
Speaker 1: does have some credentials. Another one of those things. Another
Speaker 1: one of those situations though, where it's just like if
Speaker 1: you really wanted to keep hunting, you just could call
Speaker 1: up your authorities and kind of see what they think.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think they're gonna be. On the
Speaker 1: other hand, what do you think you can't be called like,
Speaker 1: you can't be every day calling you can't be every
Speaker 1: day calling the game ward and weird stuff to happen to.
Speaker 1: But that does this stuff doesn't happen. That's what happened now.
Speaker 1: But how often does this stuff? But you know I don't.
Speaker 1: I feel like my local game Ward likes getting a
Speaker 1: phone call from an inquisitive n Yeah, and I apologize
Speaker 1: him every time I do. He looks at that phone.
Speaker 1: He's like, God, damn, it's every time I do it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, man, I hate to buggy this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. Man, but like, what if it's their job? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: he likes because he's like an intellectual. Um, I would
Speaker 1: have have hunting bonus nut. Here's what I would have done.
Speaker 1: I'm telling this is why my better self would have
Speaker 1: would have just my better self would have I'm bagged out. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm done hunting. But in the back of my mind
Speaker 1: when I see a game Ward and I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: to that game Ward, hey I got one for you,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm not going to call him this
Speaker 1: time and be like, hey, I got one for you.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that had to me. What would have
Speaker 1: been your attitude to that. I wouldn't have shot another one,
Speaker 1: planning and arguing my way out of it. M He'd like, well,
Speaker 1: you'd be like you get caught with me. Duch's like, well,
Speaker 1: you'll notice it seems like that you want to clarify
Speaker 1: first and then figure out right, yeah, the third time,
Speaker 1: the third time you had three regular mallards and one,
Speaker 1: uh bonus domestic mallard. He might start asking questions carry
Speaker 1: a little white out worth he or somebody just kind
Speaker 1: of make him a little different. Here's one. This is
Speaker 1: an ethical this is a strategy. We've talked about this too.
Speaker 1: I know, okay, the subject line of the question is
Speaker 1: um two pee or not to pee? Is that handler
Speaker 1: Macbeth Hamlet Hamlet to pee or not to pee in
Speaker 1: a tree stand? I know the subject line of this
Speaker 1: email is a little weird, but it gets right to
Speaker 1: my question. I hope it will help settle the years
Speaker 1: long debate within the group I deer hunt with in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: When you're on stand for hours on end, should you
Speaker 1: refrain from peeing in the woods New York stand or
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter? He points out that he's uh searching
Speaker 1: past articles on our website that's not on our website,
Speaker 1: hasn't found anything. Point that out. We should point that
Speaker 1: out the spencer. Growing up, honey, my dad taught me
Speaker 1: to try to minimize your sent while hunting, and peeing
Speaker 1: near where you're going to be hunting was a big
Speaker 1: no no. I still follow this rule today, and I
Speaker 1: have to go on stand, and and and if I
Speaker 1: have to go a while on stand, I founded a
Speaker 1: large Gatorade bottle of milky jos and he goes trucker
Speaker 1: right into a Gatorade bottle. Other guys p at the
Speaker 1: base of their elevated stands, please help me settle this debate. Oh,
Speaker 1: come on. The best one, though, is that some guys
Speaker 1: have a funnel with a garden hose that is then
Speaker 1: dog into the ground at the base of the tree
Speaker 1: to really hide that. Sorry, I've I've seen other elevated
Speaker 1: stands that have a funnel in the corner of the
Speaker 1: stand attached to a garden hose that runs down into
Speaker 1: the ground. I checked that for fetishists, man, After all
Speaker 1: that house business we got into, I would check that
Speaker 1: holes for fetishist every time I went out there. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Make sure it's not someone
Speaker 1: hiding the leaves. I think I'm pretty sure I know
Speaker 1: guys that p on their scrapes that they make You
Speaker 1: got buck man, If you're dog during Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: the buck is gonna be. Yeah, I like, I want
Speaker 1: to like this seems like this seems like a real
Speaker 1: Mark Canyon question, because you know, I could picture him
Speaker 1: getting into it. But I've I've heard, I've like that,
Speaker 1: I've heard like piss his pissed for the most part,
Speaker 1: And there's some subtle differences, but it's kind of a
Speaker 1: volatile thing. And what you wind up with if you
Speaker 1: wind up with like ammonia, right, And it doesn't really
Speaker 1: matter when I I don't do a ton of when
Speaker 1: I when I was young, I peed up when I
Speaker 1: used to hunt out a tree stand for white tails
Speaker 1: all the time. I didn't pee out of it strategically.
Speaker 1: I peeed out of it out of expediency because we
Speaker 1: didn't do anything properly according to like contemporary understanding of
Speaker 1: like how to actually do everything you know, no, like
Speaker 1: no send control or I just kind of the wheels
Speaker 1: blowing the wrong way. That sucks. You just spent some
Speaker 1: time in a tree stand in Wisconsin, pete a lot
Speaker 1: right out of the tree and uh no no negative
Speaker 1: and and and specifically paying attention to it, like within
Speaker 1: an hour doze down wind and uh I feel like
Speaker 1: I did a pretty good job. Like we had some company,
Speaker 1: I think Cold Blue. Maybe somebody had shipped a big
Speaker 1: box of stuff here. So I had some scent elimination
Speaker 1: type stuff with me, and mostly I was spraying down
Speaker 1: my uh first one or two uh sticks that I
Speaker 1: was climbing on because a couple of years ago I
Speaker 1: felt like, yeah, she came right as soon as her
Speaker 1: nose got like parallel with that ladder. You know what
Speaker 1: else happened this year? They did They actually went by
Speaker 1: my stand, so they actually came from down one where
Speaker 1: I didn't think they'd come, went by my stand, didn't
Speaker 1: smell us. As Tyler and I up in the tree
Speaker 1: together and I had a trail camera on a trail
Speaker 1: the trail I was gonna try to kill these deer
Speaker 1: on and I didn't like where it was, and so
Speaker 1: I had moved it, yeah, with gloves on, moved it.
Speaker 1: And they gotten that didn't like, got next to that
Speaker 1: trail camera and just immediately like noses up in the
Speaker 1: air looking around, we'll not seeing it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what the hell's at No? No, no smelled my And
Speaker 1: that camera has been there for a year now and
Speaker 1: I had just touched it and that tipped him off,
Speaker 1: but he didn't no p away. I say, now are
Speaker 1: you are you h dribbling her down the tree or
Speaker 1: you you're shooting straight off because I'll dribble it down
Speaker 1: the tree on purpose, so is not to make noise,
Speaker 1: or I don't know why I shoot it. I shoot
Speaker 1: it at the tree because you can make some noise
Speaker 1: dry leaves. You know. I'm in the saddle these days,
Speaker 1: so it's I usually just kind of turn ninding and
Speaker 1: just go. I've never archa. It's more fun that way,
Speaker 1: try and keep it out. I think I was thinking
Speaker 1: about I don't know noise and like just I don't know,
Speaker 1: just like kind of it seems like on the tree
Speaker 1: you'd leave a much larger like you gotta climb down
Speaker 1: that too, which, as we know an hour later, it's
Speaker 1: just ammonia. But if you're a fetisher, you might be
Speaker 1: into that. Well that's not where my mind was, and
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I don't feel like I don't
Speaker 1: feel that I'm climbing back down through it. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many sides there a tree there are,
Speaker 1: but there a lot of sides of a treat. Yeah
Speaker 1: it is, but you're bear hugging the tree? Is you
Speaker 1: climbed down? Um, we're in the tree a lot of
Speaker 1: times with a cinematographer, and so that's hard being Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's just nicer to turn turn your back
Speaker 1: to him and pee away from the tree. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: awkward situation can be. Yeah, they just looked around the
Speaker 1: tree and you're like, I'm just dribbling down the tree
Speaker 1: trunk here, bud, don't don't worry about me. Sorry about
Speaker 1: your boot. Okay, that's that. Oh okay, yeah, hold on
Speaker 1: before it before we cap that off, I just need
Speaker 1: to add that, in fact, our beloved kin has in
Speaker 1: fact written on this. It's a article called human or
Speaker 1: dear urine. Doesn't make a difference. This guy must not
Speaker 1: be very good internet searches. Maybe maybe he didn't find this.
Speaker 1: It might not be it might not be cataloged properly.
Speaker 1: So here's what Canyon had to say, Mark Kenyon. All
Speaker 1: the research I've seen on this points to human yearine
Speaker 1: being indistinguishable from deer or other critters after a very
Speaker 1: short period. So I just let it fly anytime anywhere.
Speaker 1: I'm not once seen a dear spook from it. I
Speaker 1: also pee and mock scrapes and have seen bucks immediately
Speaker 1: start using them with no negative response. That says a
Speaker 1: lot Clay. I've had mixed success. Pianout of stands that
Speaker 1: could be read at hundred ways. He peed down his bibbs.
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's read down. Is that all I wrote?
Speaker 1: End quote? I thought that's what you're getting at. That's
Speaker 1: all you wrote that. No, I had this recently. Man
Speaker 1: where I was there was I was interviewed for an
Speaker 1: article recently, and it's like, I feel like if you're
Speaker 1: talking to a journalist, you could say you could say
Speaker 1: I'd don't eat dear meat when I'm vomiting, right, and
Speaker 1: you'd read the next day be like, I don't need
Speaker 1: dear meat, says Ronella. Uh, I've had mixed success. Pean
Speaker 1: out of stands. I've seen dear spook and not spook.
Speaker 1: Supposedly after some period of time, the yeurine is indistinguishable
Speaker 1: interesting the same word choice as kenyan from other mammal urine. However,
Speaker 1: I do like peeing in scrapes after a morning hunt.
Speaker 1: But if you plan to have deer within bow range
Speaker 1: of your tree peeing out of the tree, see This
Speaker 1: is screwing it up because now we should have read
Speaker 1: his first as a dissenting view and then given like overwhelming,
Speaker 1: But now we're leaving him with a seated out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he contradicts himself, like, how can pean in this
Speaker 1: scrape be good? But pean out of a tree is bad?
Speaker 1: I don't understand, and I wish we hadn't even asked Clay. However,
Speaker 1: I do like to read again play says, However, I
Speaker 1: do like peean and scrapes after a morning hunt. But
Speaker 1: you've planned to have deer within bow range. If your tree,
Speaker 1: peean out of the tree isn't the best option, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, then why in a scrap? To what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I think they'd be even tougher to get him in
Speaker 1: bo range. If they like get in the scrape, why
Speaker 1: wouldn't they like it next your tree? If Clay thinks
Speaker 1: the way he thinks, for really, you know you ought
Speaker 1: to do He ought to make a big p funnel,
Speaker 1: p way out one way, pe way out the other way,
Speaker 1: and leave a pe gap right at your tree. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it's just something eats channeling oak or something. Don't
Speaker 1: eat any oak and you'll be good jud that Jerry
Speaker 1: klower line. But uh, when he was a kid date
Speaker 1: so much boiled oak or their socks wouldn't stay up. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's what we want to do for here's what we
Speaker 1: want to do to should takeet everybody rolling on. Um.
Speaker 1: We want to talk about impactful things from two and
Speaker 1: how they may have changed your your perspective, change your
Speaker 1: life course. Right, And it's important because that's why you live.
Speaker 1: You live an introspective life. You try to make sense
Speaker 1: out of stuff. So that was what everybody was tasked
Speaker 1: to do. Who wants to start? It's a big task. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still haven't thought of mine. It was I can't
Speaker 1: think of one. I mean, I got a bunch, but
Speaker 1: I can't think of which one is the most impactful thing.
Speaker 1: I know what it should be, but I can't. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't seem impactful to anybody. You should try us get
Speaker 1: get the ball rolling because it's all the yeah, too
Speaker 1: much context. No no, no, no no. I'd be like saying, um,
Speaker 1: it would be like saying, uh, that was the most
Speaker 1: important day of my life except when I got married
Speaker 1: and had kids. You know what I mean? Where you
Speaker 1: gotta right, you talk about a thing. Then people are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what about whatever? Like when Chester goes he's gonna
Speaker 1: do his big concert not having his kid, and then
Speaker 1: people are gonna condemn him. I can tie him both
Speaker 1: in there in a way. So who's going first? Brody?
Speaker 1: Sure I can go first? Um, what happened to two
Speaker 1: that you feel will change your course? Uh? Taking my
Speaker 1: wife on her first successful hunt ever, she drew an.
Speaker 1: We both threw antalope tags for out in the eastern
Speaker 1: Montana and uh, playing a hunt for opening weekend of
Speaker 1: antelope rifle season. Um, she'd been she's been hunting a
Speaker 1: couple of times at four honest, almost put her on
Speaker 1: a turkey a couple of years ago. But um, she
Speaker 1: didn't really show any interest in hunting until we moved
Speaker 1: to Montana a few years ago and kind of slowly
Speaker 1: took more interest in it. Why didn't you want to
Speaker 1: hunt Colorado when you guys had all that hunting right
Speaker 1: out of your door. I don't know, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's all this, you know what I think it
Speaker 1: is what your kids are getting older and it's not
Speaker 1: such a pain, and you ask anymore? Probably, Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I think about it gives a chance to think about
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah, definitely, definitely um and over the uh,
Speaker 1: the pandemic. She took her Hunter's safety course because it
Speaker 1: was something to do. You could do it online, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Anyway, she drew the tag, we both
Speaker 1: drew antelope tags. We went out to eastern Montana, and
Speaker 1: I was like nervous, man, Like, I did not like,
Speaker 1: I don't get that way taking my kid hunting. I
Speaker 1: have old I have friends who started hunting late in
Speaker 1: life that like, I didn't ever get nervous taking them, um,
Speaker 1: because I knew, like if things went badly, I just
Speaker 1: had a feeling it's something she wouldn't never do again,
Speaker 1: Like if she ended up having a horrible time or
Speaker 1: wounded an animal and we didn't get it, it's very
Speaker 1: that was very much like weighing on me, like putting
Speaker 1: things together in a way that everything went well, but
Speaker 1: we know, I mean, neither of us knew up until
Speaker 1: the moment she pulled the trigger. If she would even
Speaker 1: pull the trigger, she might decide it's not something she
Speaker 1: wanted to do. Um. So anyway, we went out. We
Speaker 1: had a couple of stocks, like right off the bat
Speaker 1: at first light and I was kind of glad they
Speaker 1: didn't work out, because you wanted to like get some
Speaker 1: experience in there. You don't to be like first toime
Speaker 1: step off the road, boom, it's over. Then she'd be like, yeah, exactly. Um.
Speaker 1: So we chased a bunch of antelope around for two
Speaker 1: or three hours, got busted, you know, a couple of
Speaker 1: times it didn't work out. And then late morning I
Speaker 1: saw a little buck a dough in a fawn like
Speaker 1: laying a it's the base of this little knob. They
Speaker 1: were in the perfect spot to like come up behind
Speaker 1: him on top of the hill and shoot down on
Speaker 1: that little buck. Um. But man, I was like heart pounding,
Speaker 1: like very worried about how it was going to go.
Speaker 1: It was just the the ecotomy between like the husband
Speaker 1: wife thing was different. Man. It was because you thought
Speaker 1: you were afraid she's gonna cripple one up or miss one.
Speaker 1: I wasn't so much worried about missing like that. I
Speaker 1: think would be easier to get through than wounding one. Um.
Speaker 1: And you're like the whole time, you're acting like you
Speaker 1: would not act with a buddy, Like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like hurry up, don't you see him? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: things you were doing that I was not. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've been doing that, I know, but I was like exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I feel like I can't act like that. There's
Speaker 1: like I can't make this into something like getting in
Speaker 1: a fight over the dishes at home, Like if I
Speaker 1: start irritating her in a way like that, like this
Speaker 1: is not going to be good. Um. So it ended
Speaker 1: up all working out. Like it's a short shot hundred
Speaker 1: yards the animal he runs a little ways and tips
Speaker 1: over and she was freaking out that because he ran
Speaker 1: he was wounded, But it all worked out. Um and
Speaker 1: I and I don't know, man, the whole thing like
Speaker 1: taught me maybe I should be acting like that around
Speaker 1: other people, not just my wife when I'm out hunting
Speaker 1: with him, like be more patient. Kind of realized that
Speaker 1: not everyone has the experience, not everyone can see the
Speaker 1: game that what you know what I mean, he's gonna
Speaker 1: turn nice. That's not I'm not saying that there's still
Speaker 1: start petting all dogs, like the whisper yelling is not
Speaker 1: not gonna end. But it was definitely like maybe there's
Speaker 1: something to that. Taking things a little slower, explaining things
Speaker 1: a little better, you know it goes a long way. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: people like that. See, yeah, because I find myself yelling.
Speaker 1: I like yell at my kid about the need to
Speaker 1: be calm. But which is a contradiction. Think about if
Speaker 1: it was Katie, you would not like, oh, dude, I'll
Speaker 1: be walking on eggshells exactly. Oh yeah, well, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, it was well, you know, I
Speaker 1: could see why you're doing it that way, but you know,
Speaker 1: another way to look at it would be that you'd
Speaker 1: walk quietly. Yeah, but you know now that I's only
Speaker 1: see your point. Yeah, I just thought, um, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was emotional for which I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: not emotional for me. But to see an adult in
Speaker 1: their forties like their reaction to the their first ever
Speaker 1: kill is a big game animal. It's an animal. It's
Speaker 1: not a squirrel or even a turkey. You know, it's different,
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, I think I'll take away a lot
Speaker 1: of lessons from that. When I took my wife squirrel
Speaker 1: hunting for the first time, she hit one in the ear,
Speaker 1: and uh, they left a little blood trail and snow,
Speaker 1: but we couldn't find it tore up. She thought it
Speaker 1: was more binary, right, She thought, it's like it dies
Speaker 1: or it gets away. She didn't know about an ear shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not shoulder. I I don't really know, but that
Speaker 1: that that squirrel's gonna be fine in spite of the
Speaker 1: little drips of blood that it came off as a
Speaker 1: year but you like got him in the ear like earhole, No,
Speaker 1: like like pierced his ear. Oh I got you know,
Speaker 1: not the ear hole like like like creased, it's ear
Speaker 1: area pierced. I'm surprised that a little blood trail. Yeah
Speaker 1: I didn't in the snow, you know, by my mom's place.
Speaker 1: That gets me excited to go hunt. But I watched
Speaker 1: that squirrel for a long time, running up down, you know,
Speaker 1: getting away. But yeah, increased him, increase a little melan.
Speaker 1: She felt horrible. Yeah, he'll be all right. Crunched him.
Speaker 1: So you can start being super nice everybody. No, no,
Speaker 1: she she got her first count out. Now I can.
Speaker 1: Now I can like act like I normally would. But no,
Speaker 1: it taught me a lot. Like you take for granted
Speaker 1: the experience you have, you know, and you can't just
Speaker 1: act like you do with people. What exactly is the problem,
Speaker 1: you know, what exactly is your problem. It was cool,
Speaker 1: it was good. Or another thing you'll do is you
Speaker 1: get like really condescending. Not you one one will get
Speaker 1: really condescending where you're like, okay, so tell me where
Speaker 1: you're not getting it. Like, there's a deer in front
Speaker 1: of us, right, do you see the deer? You know, different,
Speaker 1: different approaches like that I find to be very helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: would you rather have me shoot the deer? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good. It's nice. Totill go hunting with your wife. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be something she's you know, she's
Speaker 1: not gonna be out there filling four or five tags
Speaker 1: a year. But if she does one big game hunt
Speaker 1: in a turkey hunt in the spring, that'd be great.
Speaker 1: It will be good. I'm gonna be done hunting a
Speaker 1: couple of years. Yeah, I'm just I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: thing is, uh, you start getting those tags filled from
Speaker 1: other people and all your time's taking up doing that.
Speaker 1: My boy he got he got four big game animals.
Speaker 1: That's two more than I did. It's like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping her und Yeah. We pulled in a couple
Speaker 1: of extra big game animals, a couple of turkeys. So
Speaker 1: imagine what not. You know, I'll pretty soon all have
Speaker 1: three hunters. I won't hut any more. No, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to be nice. I don't know. You got pretty
Speaker 1: lucky with James, and he seems to respond well to
Speaker 1: your condescending technique, but the other two might not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I ask because Rosie's gonna be up. She's fired,
Speaker 1: but she's fired off. Do you anticipate having to handle No,
Speaker 1: I'm going to act totally different with her than her brother.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted, way different. Yeah, I'm gonna act
Speaker 1: totally different. But she's she got a turkey last year,
Speaker 1: didn't she killed two turkeys? But hunting big game. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna act different. I just know I will, because there's
Speaker 1: just a dynamic. It's like trying not like I don't
Speaker 1: have the I don't have the dynamic of being that
Speaker 1: that like. I want her to go hunt like more
Speaker 1: than I want my boy to go right, because I
Speaker 1: want I don't want to fall prey like. I want
Speaker 1: her to feel compelled to do it and not fall
Speaker 1: into this like boy girl. However, I just know that
Speaker 1: I'll act different to her. Yeah, I just more. I
Speaker 1: mean like I'm just flat out I'm more tolerant. I'm
Speaker 1: more talent with her than I am. I mean, I like,
Speaker 1: I act out my I've taken my dad's role and
Speaker 1: I've given my kid my role, and it just we're
Speaker 1: in the trap of we're in the father son trap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do find that I with my daughter, I explained
Speaker 1: things a lot more than my dad did to me
Speaker 1: with my son who's hunting now, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: it was just like do this back in the old days,
Speaker 1: and you just did that. But now I find myself
Speaker 1: saying why we're doing things, which is good hunter. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this year was um my first time going past Tennessee
Speaker 1: to hunt west. So. I grew up on the Chesspeake
Speaker 1: Bay and so saltwater fishing Chesspeake Bay, outer banks hunting
Speaker 1: in Virginia, UM, North Carolina and Tennessee. So as soon
Speaker 1: as I came on the mediator, you know, and so
Speaker 1: you got work, colleagues, friends, you know, getting tags kind
Speaker 1: of get into that I had been putting in over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, tags unsuccessful and successful. This
Speaker 1: year I got success on a rifle tag for a
Speaker 1: problem horn. Now I started watching videos trying to get myself,
Speaker 1: you know, excited about it, and and I was, and
Speaker 1: then instantly kind of turned into like, now, what hell
Speaker 1: am I going to do? I didn't want to bug
Speaker 1: anybody in the office, you know, it was to what
Speaker 1: to do? So in August Um, I went with Hayden,
Speaker 1: what would you not want to bug anybody out? Everybody?
Speaker 1: That's why you work here? Yeah? Man, Well, I mean
Speaker 1: I just figured everybody's got you know, they've got their
Speaker 1: own tags, they've got things going on, and the last
Speaker 1: thing they need is a hanger on or to you know, well,
Speaker 1: going forward after this event, yeah, I can't. You just
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to go hunting and have someone just yell
Speaker 1: condescending things into your ear while you have animals, So
Speaker 1: you do realize we're hunting, right. That's that's how the
Speaker 1: story kind of felt like it was getting to in
Speaker 1: a minute. Um. But yeah, in August Um Hayden drawn
Speaker 1: a archery tag prong horn. So that was like my
Speaker 1: first you know, situational experience. I quickly realized after about
Speaker 1: a day, who the hell is gonna you know, stock
Speaker 1: a rocket ship in a flat field with a bow.
Speaker 1: It just it seemed like it was impossible. So I
Speaker 1: kind of knew that. Like that trip it was my
Speaker 1: desk was like spotting on the scope and giving pep
Speaker 1: talks on blowing stalks. You got a buddy, You'll you'll
Speaker 1: get the next one. It just takes one. Just it
Speaker 1: just takes one or twenty. Um. But yeah, like inside
Speaker 1: of my head, I was kind of going and you
Speaker 1: got it made with this rifle tag. I mean not
Speaker 1: like in a cocky way, but just in a way
Speaker 1: like all these all these program hornies can't get with.
Speaker 1: I just thought, well, I'm gonna tag out day one
Speaker 1: or two. I might as well go ahead and put
Speaker 1: Hayes Taxidermy into my phone. You know it's gonna be
Speaker 1: you know, easy, It's gonna be a giant. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten them yet, but exactly let me know, John.
Speaker 1: But so come October, you know, two months later, that
Speaker 1: confidence level starts sinking a little bit, probably not unlike
Speaker 1: when you felt confident going to the open up for
Speaker 1: trampled by turtles, and then come showtime, that nerves starts kicking.
Speaker 1: So um, day one, Um, you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: I'm in a local unit around here, which I kind
Speaker 1: of learned quickly that the prong horner going to be
Speaker 1: mainly out towards the eastern side of the state, the
Speaker 1: open country, in the open country. So I'm I'm kind
Speaker 1: of basically day one hitting little B M A s
Speaker 1: and state state pieces. And I did see a small herd,
Speaker 1: but they were so far on private and today we're
Speaker 1: going to get to public anytime soon, and they didn't
Speaker 1: that day Day two and three, I didn't see anything. Now,
Speaker 1: confidence levels dropping. I'm getting in my head time's ticking,
Speaker 1: like I've got so excited for this tag that you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna be uh, let me flying back with
Speaker 1: tag suit call the text and there was back yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to get your deposit back. So it was It
Speaker 1: made me think in my head, I'm like, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: a lesson learned here would have been studying the ship
Speaker 1: out of the units. No, what's got more access than
Speaker 1: others and what holds you know, whatever you're hunting for.
Speaker 1: The only question I had when I read your story
Speaker 1: earlier in the notes was right here, because I figured
Speaker 1: someone gave you advice on where to apply. You didn't
Speaker 1: just potentially pick this unit out of a hat and
Speaker 1: apply right right, So I want to know who's to
Speaker 1: blame who. After the podcast, I can go point my
Speaker 1: finger out and go why did you tell them? And
Speaker 1: go get there? I thought so. So I think that's
Speaker 1: that's an important point though, because I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are planning their first Western hunt they
Speaker 1: may not do the kind of research like you might
Speaker 1: find a unit that's easy to draw for like whatever
Speaker 1: your antelope, there might be a reason why it's easy
Speaker 1: to draw. There's no public land, you know. Listen, I
Speaker 1: did the exact same thing on a mountain range nearby here.
Speaker 1: I won't name any and it was it was a
Speaker 1: prong Horn tag too. It's like my first or second
Speaker 1: year here and Dan Doty, the old producer of Meter
Speaker 1: and I were like, look at this, it's like almost
Speaker 1: it's so close, and we got the tags, were like sweet,
Speaker 1: we're partying. And then we started driving around and literally
Speaker 1: could not access a single piece of public land, not
Speaker 1: a one. In the end, we ended up going down
Speaker 1: a road that, judging by the map, it was pretty
Speaker 1: much open, and got into one and shot to prong
Speaker 1: Horn box left and the next day we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's right. To other people in the office. It also
Speaker 1: apply to the same hack. We're like, let's come back here.
Speaker 1: This is awesome. We got a spot. We get there
Speaker 1: locked gate, so I think we had got we had
Speaker 1: done a little bit of trespassing to get to you
Speaker 1: the state land, you know. Um. But anyways, so you're
Speaker 1: not You're not alone in this. Yeah. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: common mistake, I think. So all through the first three days, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Garrett had Garrett long had texted me and
Speaker 1: and I had a good relationship with Garrett and the
Speaker 1: fact that he's probably who I dealt with the most
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. So I tell him no,
Speaker 1: no luck, no luck. Day four comes along and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I've got some permission on a private piece. Um. So
Speaker 1: my comfidence level starts to go back up. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: off Garrett with me. You know, he'll he'll be good
Speaker 1: to have their tax sermons back. Yeah, exactly. Um, but
Speaker 1: that's when I realized that I'm now I'm really letting
Speaker 1: ship get in my head because now I see it.
Speaker 1: Now I'm saying, Okay, this is actually gonna happen. I've
Speaker 1: got caret here, who I naturally would feel completely comfortable with.
Speaker 1: But with this being my first tag, I felt the
Speaker 1: pressure of like, man, he's gone out of his way
Speaker 1: to get the permission. I gotta get this done. Well,
Speaker 1: I missed the first shot. I couldn't believe it. I
Speaker 1: was just, you know, shook up. In this particular field
Speaker 1: is probably about two sixty seven seventy. That sounds a
Speaker 1: little bit like what he told me, is you walk
Speaker 1: back to the truck at golf term. You might not know,
Speaker 1: but when you were bearing down on him, was it
Speaker 1: like were there nerves? Oh yeah, My breathing was out
Speaker 1: of control, of heart going through my chest, you know,
Speaker 1: just everything to build up of like this being the
Speaker 1: first Western hunt, was all happening right there. Did he
Speaker 1: ask you what exactly was the problem? In a little
Speaker 1: bit he did. So I shot and there's this sort
Speaker 1: of like um crested ridge that runs through like dissects
Speaker 1: the center of this property. Well, they had taken off
Speaker 1: off the backside and I couldn't see him, trenaline still pumping.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the buck must have turned and
Speaker 1: comes right up to the ridge line about seventy five
Speaker 1: yards from me. So now I'm a wreck. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to swing around I got bipod legs flailing everywhere, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking through a scope that because I'm just worried
Speaker 1: that he's gonna bolt magnified way too much. Couldn't get
Speaker 1: him in in the scope miss two. Now, I thought
Speaker 1: you couldn't get him to the sculpe just because you know,
Speaker 1: it's so magnified, and I'm just trying to find him
Speaker 1: and locate him in that scope quickly. But I found him.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well, how is the missing him related to
Speaker 1: not be able to find him? I don't know, just
Speaker 1: general flustered nous. Yeah, yeah, so because you didn't just
Speaker 1: shoot without finding them in there? No? No, no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the wheels of calling off day way off. And I
Speaker 1: and I remember at this point, I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: if f bombs flew out or I think what happened
Speaker 1: was I just kind of like pulled my head down
Speaker 1: and stared at the dirt and I just said, hey, Garrett,
Speaker 1: can we not mention this to Steve? I haven't heard
Speaker 1: until now. Yeah, Well that's good. I know I can
Speaker 1: count on him. But yeah, so on the way back
Speaker 1: walk into the truck, he was like a buddy, how
Speaker 1: was a big buck? He's like I said, how close
Speaker 1: was that? How close was he on this? Probably seventy
Speaker 1: you could have thrown a rock at him, you know.
Speaker 1: It just kind of ribbing me having fun. So day
Speaker 1: four comes along and they're in the same exact spot.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I remember where I screwed
Speaker 1: up on day three. I'm going to do this all
Speaker 1: every but this time I'm further. I'm probably I'm on
Speaker 1: the other side of the property, eating over two ridges
Speaker 1: and neural on the ridge line. Do you check your rifle? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All good? There. Um, we sat there for like twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: I thought, calm so I could rule out, you know,
Speaker 1: and I can't. I can't explain it. I don't know
Speaker 1: why m three and at this point now it's not
Speaker 1: I can't look at it and go that was because
Speaker 1: I was flustered or whatever. I can't explain why it happened.
Speaker 1: And I'm embarrassed, you know, I'm just like crushed. I
Speaker 1: just want to tucktail and walk off. Uh. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's great at consoling. So final day and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a wreck, you know. I mean, I'm talked to
Speaker 1: my wife that night on the phone and she's trying
Speaker 1: to talk about the ledge. You'll be fine. I got
Speaker 1: one more day, and I'm thinking, you know how the
Speaker 1: other daste went. The next day starts off horrible. I
Speaker 1: got I haven't had a nose eat since I was
Speaker 1: a kid, and it was just pouring out of my nose.
Speaker 1: Trying to get out of the house to go meet him,
Speaker 1: I'm shoving cleanex in my nose, trying to lace my boots.
Speaker 1: Inexplicable nose bleep from the dryer, from dryer, so I
Speaker 1: guess it is applicable. Yeah, lace on my boots and
Speaker 1: and and head off and I meet him and there
Speaker 1: they are again. You know, it's like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: think they were worried at that point. Yeah, some of
Speaker 1: might shoot over here, but just sound just you're good,
Speaker 1: you're good. So, um, Garrett's there for a little bit
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, hey, buddy, I got a meeting
Speaker 1: I to go go to. And I all right, it's cool.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking you probably just can't stay seeming us the
Speaker 1: fourth time. So um, yeah, I'm there by myself and
Speaker 1: I'm seeing him on the ridge line, and like I said,
Speaker 1: the way that it crested, I'm trying to say, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if they come off my side, I'm good. But if
Speaker 1: they go off the back side, I've got to somehow
Speaker 1: managed to get all the way around to out the
Speaker 1: side of the property before they get off the line.
Speaker 1: Came off to my side. Long story short, crawled quickly
Speaker 1: into position, got in the corner, first shot perfect right
Speaker 1: behind the shoulder. I think I was about two eight
Speaker 1: two ninety on that one. Maybe um good poke yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, the rest of them took off and
Speaker 1: he just stood there for a second and then just dropped.
Speaker 1: Um and Garrett was there or not there, not there
Speaker 1: on that one, so said, I don't know if he
Speaker 1: met I got to leave in a minute, but he left, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had already left. So I was there a glass
Speaker 1: and I'm probably about an hour hour and a half.
Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, it just texted me
Speaker 1: like maybe five minutes before he's like, hey see anything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, now they're still there not I think no,
Speaker 1: sooner did I kind of like look down for a
Speaker 1: second look up. They had gotten up and started kind
Speaker 1: of walking to the line. Um. Yeah, so I made sure,
Speaker 1: uh you know that he was down in uh called
Speaker 1: my wife felt that was the right thing to do. First,
Speaker 1: thank thanks for the pep talk. Quickly called Garrett because
Speaker 1: I wanted to sort of redeem myself after those those days.
Speaker 1: He was excited and chucked it in the back of
Speaker 1: the rental vehicle, gutted it, and then chucked it in
Speaker 1: the back of the rental vehicle. Learned that trying to
Speaker 1: take pictures when you're by yourself and setting timers on
Speaker 1: your phone to prop it up on your pack and
Speaker 1: try to get a picture sucks. Um, but yeah, toss
Speaker 1: it in the rental vehicle. Um, take it back to
Speaker 1: Hayden's and started cutting ups quick as I could. Had
Speaker 1: to delay my flight an extra day, Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I got it frozen. But um
Speaker 1: but yeah, now I was. I was excited. Finally had
Speaker 1: to make that call to to John send it up there. Um,
Speaker 1: so John Hayes is gonna do it. What's he gonna
Speaker 1: do it? He's gonna do it. Wasn't a shoulder mount,
Speaker 1: but it was like a shoulder mount. And normally I
Speaker 1: would do a free him or you know your amount,
Speaker 1: but with this just being my first wed and I
Speaker 1: wanted to do something special. Um, so yeah, I was
Speaker 1: very excited about that. And I'll quickly recap my second hunt. Um,
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't go as long into it. But
Speaker 1: um I went to Nebraska probably sixteen days after that
Speaker 1: to Jordan buds and um So, I took my wife
Speaker 1: out there and we're out there for a week. And uh,
Speaker 1: ironically the Nebraska episode for Meat Eater aired. Why I
Speaker 1: was there, um So there, I was sitting out in
Speaker 1: the exact same field that you guys were hunting, watching
Speaker 1: it in her truck on her phone with her and
Speaker 1: I and listeners. I'm not blowing smoke because Steve sitting here,
Speaker 1: but your demeanor in that episode, just talking about like
Speaker 1: telling Jordan, hey, I'm having a great time, yeah, that
Speaker 1: she's sweating it, and then telling her at the end
Speaker 1: you know what and about you know what and about that.
Speaker 1: For me on this trip, it just it kind of
Speaker 1: just was like a turning point in my head, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of resonated. Um So, I didn't feel that
Speaker 1: like pressure that I had on the Pronghorn hunt. Um
Speaker 1: had a good time, laugh the whole time last day
Speaker 1: buzzer Beater, last hour of my hunt before we had
Speaker 1: to pack up, and had a rapid city. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: beautiful buck starts coming up the river bed and this
Speaker 1: was an archery tag and got to about forty yards
Speaker 1: and let it fly and perfect shot. Crunch. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: you sent me the prong horn, but you didn't send
Speaker 1: me that. I'll send it to you. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was great. It was great being there, um whether I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, she as a matter of fact, she had
Speaker 1: seen that same bug. I didn't realize that when I
Speaker 1: shot it that it was a buck, but she had
Speaker 1: sent me a picture and he was out of range
Speaker 1: on like the second day, and um, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I hope you get to see him again and show
Speaker 1: me the picture. Um so yeah, you along with Jordan.
Speaker 1: You didn't get in a fight with Jordan. No, she's
Speaker 1: she's she's great. Uh, I had my Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you'll be able to tell him this picture,
Speaker 1: but see if you recognize Um, let me turn it
Speaker 1: real quick. Did Garrett or Jordan's speak condescending words into
Speaker 1: your ears as you were trying to shoot at these
Speaker 1: animals by himself? Um, I was in a pop up
Speaker 1: blind actual Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's yeah, she said you
Speaker 1: recognize the buy no harness, I didn't look I was
Speaker 1: looking at the deer. So in the see if you
Speaker 1: no the chairs, is that the one that from the thing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, so it was kind of deemed up
Speaker 1: my good luck charm. That's great man. So that was
Speaker 1: from the auction house? Yeah cool? Yeah, yeah, so no,
Speaker 1: it was. It was great and um, definitely and I
Speaker 1: don't really know how to practice it, but I think
Speaker 1: getting my big takeaway was like, yeah, you need to
Speaker 1: prep physically, but man mentally, it just seems like if
Speaker 1: you can let it get in your head and you can,
Speaker 1: you can nose dive quick. Um. I would like to
Speaker 1: work on not having last eight kills before you have
Speaker 1: to take off because that's a little stressful. Yeah, keeping
Speaker 1: your head right, yeah yeah. Yeah. So that was great. Excited,
Speaker 1: excited to be in this room with you guys sharing it.
Speaker 1: I mean, person I probably influenced me the most. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of cool not being in here
Speaker 1: talking about an art project but actually talking about you know,
Speaker 1: speaking the same language. Did you guys talk about every week? Thanks?
Speaker 1: Man's good. That's great. You should definitely trying to work
Speaker 1: yourself into a hunt with Steve to get to experience
Speaker 1: that what it's like to be, you know, constantly put down.
Speaker 1: You want the wheels to fold off in the first
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Yeah, yeah, you just you'll be forged by fire.
Speaker 1: That's right. Every hunt after that will be you weren't
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, that's the that's the way to do it,
Speaker 1: so that you don't have you don't your wheels will
Speaker 1: never fall off again. After one hunt with Steve, everything
Speaker 1: you else will just seem like cakewalk. When people are
Speaker 1: afraid of flying and they strapping into those planes. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a guy girl thing, but but when Steve took
Speaker 1: me spear fishing, I didn't experience any of that. I
Speaker 1: think he can't talk to you through the water. That's true.
Speaker 1: He was trying to. He was trying to do things
Speaker 1: with bubbles, but getting the message is not like that.
Speaker 1: For me. It's only big game hunt well, score on.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for some reason, I don't get that feeling
Speaker 1: with spearfishing, because that's probably like frustrating the hell out
Speaker 1: of you. I couldn't even stay in the same place
Speaker 1: get that. I don't get that super like blood lust
Speaker 1: like I get home where I just want someone to
Speaker 1: get something bad. I've been spear fishing with Steve, and
Speaker 1: it's been great speaking of that head headspace just like
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Has been like an incredible year. Some
Speaker 1: of the highlights were was actually spear fishing for me
Speaker 1: when I was in Hawaii and Louisiana kind of like
Speaker 1: ground breaking moments where you can, like if you put
Speaker 1: your head in your mind to anything you can you
Speaker 1: can make a lot happen if you calm your nerves
Speaker 1: and whatnot. From going from not being able to break
Speaker 1: the surface in Louisiana to like diving a decent amount.
Speaker 1: But anyways, that was a highlight and can interrupt real
Speaker 1: quick on that thought. Greg Fonts early on when I
Speaker 1: started hanging out and explained to me that, um, if
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with you, spear fishing is where you'll
Speaker 1: find it, meaning like all there's no hiding from anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: total like in a total health perspective, it'll find you,
Speaker 1: like mentally, physically. Yeah. He's just like, if there's a problem,
Speaker 1: it'll emerge. It emerged there, dude. That's interesting though, because
Speaker 1: after I learned how to dive a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: I don't I felt very calm, very very calm, but
Speaker 1: I just had to do something that was one of
Speaker 1: the hardest things I've ever done in my life, which
Speaker 1: is open up for a band called Trampled by Turtles,
Speaker 1: which all of you guys probably already know. This story,
Speaker 1: long story short, Karin Hook got my number to Dave Sevenette,
Speaker 1: who is the lead singer for Trampled by Turtles. This
Speaker 1: was in July. This is my wife is pregnant. We're
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch and I get a text from
Speaker 1: Dave saying basically, do you want a gig? Do you
Speaker 1: want to place? Pitch you to Dave? Just what do
Speaker 1: you think about my idea? So those guys actually used
Speaker 1: the word gig. He used the word gig. Who reached
Speaker 1: out to? Who Dave sent texted me with an idea?
Speaker 1: And he was like, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: And you know, like should I ask him? And you know,
Speaker 1: if yes, like should I? Can I have his contact information?
Speaker 1: And immediately I just thought it was the best idea
Speaker 1: I ever And that's all so that makes even better
Speaker 1: they're searching you out. Yeah, it had seen like a
Speaker 1: video of Chester singing and he just thought he was
Speaker 1: really talented. Who told me? Dude? Anyways, like if people
Speaker 1: like I am not. I learned how to play guitar
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and I picked it up
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to learn how to
Speaker 1: play this for my wife at the wedding. And I learned,
Speaker 1: you know, the basic chords, and I took some online stuff,
Speaker 1: tried to take lessons, ended up playing the show. I
Speaker 1: would have never in a million years I thought I
Speaker 1: would be standing in front of like six people two
Speaker 1: years later with a guitar in my hand trying to
Speaker 1: get through a set list. Like never in a million years.
Speaker 1: So you girls, get away, l Yeah, let's get out
Speaker 1: of here, Carl. It's getting crazy. So Dave texted me,
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting on the couch with my wife, like
Speaker 1: I said, we were pregnant, and he said, you want
Speaker 1: to open for it? She was? She was, she was pregnant.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I always say that, but yes,
Speaker 1: I was not pregnant. It was my wife and uh,
Speaker 1: he said, do you want a gig December one? And
Speaker 1: it's July. And I thought about it, and she was
Speaker 1: jumping up and down, saying you have to do it,
Speaker 1: you have to do it. So I called Dave back
Speaker 1: and I said, I think I'm gonna do it, but
Speaker 1: I really got to buckle down. So I just played
Speaker 1: guitar as much as I could. I hadn't played in
Speaker 1: front of anybody. I did a few sets at the
Speaker 1: same restaurant in Bozeman twice, Bridget Brewing. They went okay,
Speaker 1: but then you're saying you played at Bridget Brewing again,
Speaker 1: but a different branches and different branch locations, so it
Speaker 1: was like two shows. Yeah. They really helped me out,
Speaker 1: you know. So I asked Carl to do this with me.
Speaker 1: Carl Hansen, he worked with us, and he's, uh, he
Speaker 1: plays in some metal bands and things like that, and
Speaker 1: I just needed some help, you know, to help me
Speaker 1: along on this. So we got a sett list together
Speaker 1: and we practiced, um, I don't know, once a week,
Speaker 1: starting in September maybe is when we started practicing with
Speaker 1: Carl in the days are ticking down. And another element
Speaker 1: to this is we thought we were going to have
Speaker 1: our child this uh when was November nine, which would
Speaker 1: be ten days before this gig was actually supposed to
Speaker 1: happen in Atlanta, Georgia. So I didn't really I've never
Speaker 1: had a kid, and it hadn't really hit me of
Speaker 1: how hard that would have actually been if our first
Speaker 1: son was born on that date. He came four weeks
Speaker 1: early October nine, which is actually just like a blessing
Speaker 1: in disguise because I was able to help my wife
Speaker 1: out with that first week or two, which is extremely challenging. Um,
Speaker 1: I was able to be at home. I was able
Speaker 1: to practice more, which if I wasn't able to be
Speaker 1: at home, I don't know if I would have it
Speaker 1: would have been hard to to do pull this off.
Speaker 1: I think. So everything worked out, and here it is.
Speaker 1: We Carl and I flew down to Atlanta, Georgia with
Speaker 1: I had two guitars and he had his bass a
Speaker 1: little tambourine on one foot and kick drum on his
Speaker 1: other foot. And uh, we show up at this this theater,
Speaker 1: the Buckhead Theater in Atlanta, and I walk in there
Speaker 1: and it's like full on rock star like green rooms,
Speaker 1: really nice. There's fog. You walk in and there's like
Speaker 1: fog rolling out of the door from the smoke machine.
Speaker 1: You know, we get badges, um the whole trample guys.
Speaker 1: Are they like you stuff in the green room? No,
Speaker 1: I could have looking back, I could have asked for that,
Speaker 1: but they had put it in your rider contracted no mint,
Speaker 1: yes exactly. Now, I just asked for some light beer
Speaker 1: and water. Um. I could have asked for a little
Speaker 1: more annoying, but I didn't need much. So Carl and
Speaker 1: I show up there and the Trampled guys are out
Speaker 1: on stage doing sound check, and I walked out where
Speaker 1: the crowd would be standing and it is like full on,
Speaker 1: just obviously a legit set up. They got like props
Speaker 1: and lights and the sound guys working his magic and
Speaker 1: it's like bumping, like people are going to be able
Speaker 1: to hear me kind of thing. Things start to set in. Um,
Speaker 1: and we do sound check and I'm not nervous at all,
Speaker 1: and uh, we do sound check and it goes pretty well.
Speaker 1: I was calm and and things were working out, and
Speaker 1: you know, I was getting all amped and excited. We
Speaker 1: go back to the green room. Hours start taking by,
Speaker 1: people start showing up. You know, my hearts starting to
Speaker 1: kind of do this. My breathing is a little bit,
Speaker 1: it's a little harder to breathe. I tuned my guitar.
Speaker 1: This is a moment when it really hit me. Backstage
Speaker 1: and I walk out onto the stage and there's already
Speaker 1: a crowd out there, not a full room. But I
Speaker 1: walk out there and all of a sudden, I hear Chester. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like whoa, there's like a vine of people in front
Speaker 1: just to see me. Like they showed up early obviously
Speaker 1: heard about it on the podcast and stuff. And it
Speaker 1: was great. Like I was like, hey, guys, like thanks,
Speaker 1: But I get back, you know, in the green room,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, holy cow, here it goes, you know,
Speaker 1: And Carl's all jacked and give me a pep talk
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And I walk out on stage for the
Speaker 1: first song and I don't know why I get like
Speaker 1: this sometimes, but I am nervous. It makes me nervous
Speaker 1: a little bit thinking about it. But my leg was
Speaker 1: shaken a little bit. Um. I felt like I couldn't
Speaker 1: feel my fingers, you know. And I felt like with
Speaker 1: Seth got Mercury Pois and call that yeah, right, that's
Speaker 1: I'm sure you just didn't have Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: did I tune them before anyways? Like that's not a
Speaker 1: good feeling, but especially when you gotta play with your hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I got through the first song, and I'm saying
Speaker 1: I got through it. People will say I did great,
Speaker 1: but I missed some notes and things like that. I
Speaker 1: sang it got through all all the lyrics and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and uh, it was kind of a relief because then
Speaker 1: after that I introduced ourselves how we got there. The crowd,
Speaker 1: I can't thank them enough. It was They were absolutely
Speaker 1: fantastic and it's a good thing that you know, we
Speaker 1: mentioned it. Steve mentioned it because if it was just
Speaker 1: like a trampled by Turtles crowd, who knows, they might
Speaker 1: not have been as as h That's one thing I noticed.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, but I've watched a lot of the videos,
Speaker 1: and the crowd was being super respectful and listening, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of a hit or miss thing in concerts.
Speaker 1: But with the opening act they could just be on
Speaker 1: their phones and talking to their friends and everything, but
Speaker 1: everyone was locked in. We fluffed, We fluffed the dickens
Speaker 1: out of them on the show, though, I mean we
Speaker 1: were promoted it too, so we and everybody knew not
Speaker 1: to expect too much of you. Yeah, because you downplayed it.
Speaker 1: Jess was like, I'm gonna go down there and rock
Speaker 1: their world, you know, But no matter what you did,
Speaker 1: if Chester had gotten up there and it sucked, yeah,
Speaker 1: they would have been on their phones. That's the world
Speaker 1: we live in today, and they would have been with
Speaker 1: their bodies. They would have gone to go get more
Speaker 1: beers or whatever. But but but I also think, well, well,
Speaker 1: a performer is more than is the work. It's just
Speaker 1: as a very lovable person. So I feel like it
Speaker 1: would be harder to disrespect Chester than someone else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: most of those people didn't know Chester. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: mean they like you think that I'm saying. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he didn't do a good job. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying good I'm saying he'd like he brings goodwill from
Speaker 1: the world. I try, definitely try try and make that
Speaker 1: an effort. Um. But yeah, so I introduced ourselves and
Speaker 1: the crowd was like, like you said, very much so
Speaker 1: listening I made it. I mean I was like making
Speaker 1: eye contact with people, and um, did the show go perfect?
Speaker 1: As an like an performer? No? Um, but I got
Speaker 1: done with every song everyone cheered. Did you feel like
Speaker 1: like as you progressed down the line, like he got looser,
Speaker 1: are more comfortable and it got easier as he went along?
Speaker 1: Ye that shakin went away? Um, I was starting to
Speaker 1: I was starting to smile, you know, Like I walked
Speaker 1: out there and I was like, yeah, a little still
Speaker 1: a little stiff, but you can tell like the crowd
Speaker 1: was getting into it. Whoever. I think Steve had shared
Speaker 1: the video or somebody. You could see their head and
Speaker 1: and Dave sent me as he was on stage, Dave
Speaker 1: sent me a text he was happy as hell and
Speaker 1: you had just gotten started. That's great, Dave. Dave was awesome.
Speaker 1: I actually asked him. This was Carl's idea. He's like,
Speaker 1: what do you think about playing one of their songs?
Speaker 1: And I was like, huh. He's like, yeah, So we
Speaker 1: learned um one of their songs, It's and living buying
Speaker 1: how I choose. Ain't never been a gambler because I'm
Speaker 1: always bound to lose. But we played that one up there,
Speaker 1: and uh, Dave was kind of like, all right, and
Speaker 1: those guys are like, you're pretty baldy for opening up
Speaker 1: with one of our songs. But I'm really glad we did. No,
Speaker 1: I did it. Yeah, And I looked at their set
Speaker 1: list and he said I'd be We'd be honored. But
Speaker 1: you know, I could tell that the other band guys
Speaker 1: were like drop and just said done. But I'm really
Speaker 1: happy that he let me do that because people knew
Speaker 1: the words to that song and after they sang that,
Speaker 1: it definitely loosened me up and I was I think
Speaker 1: I even said, like, all right, this is starting to
Speaker 1: actually be fun. I think I said that I'm anna,
Speaker 1: are you gonna get more? Have you got any more gigs?
Speaker 1: I have no more gigs. But what I what I
Speaker 1: did learn from this experience is that like if you
Speaker 1: put your mind to something, you can almost do anything
Speaker 1: if you really put your mind to it and dig down.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had to deal with that little bit
Speaker 1: of anxiety, which I absolutely hate, and I knew I
Speaker 1: was maybe gonna have that. But the more you do
Speaker 1: this stuff, I feel like the more relaxed I'll get.
Speaker 1: And my goal now is two get good at guitar.
Speaker 1: Like before, I kind of skipped a whole bunch of stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But you you have to
Speaker 1: learn your craft before you get fancy UM and I
Speaker 1: kind of ended up trying to get fancy. I think
Speaker 1: the quote is, um, learn to play guitar, then get sexy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think that was given to It was either given
Speaker 1: or came from someone from UM. Leonard skinnered if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken. But I like to quote a lot, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to do more gigs. I actually had a
Speaker 1: great time and it was fun and there's so much
Speaker 1: room for improvement and so much like just playing that
Speaker 1: gig definitely helped me grow as a person um and
Speaker 1: like focus on the task at hand, good practice. It's
Speaker 1: just I don't know, it's a great experience and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna now get good at guitar because you're already sexy.
Speaker 1: Yeah right. Uh do you feel that there's like a
Speaker 1: compromise or a deal to be made between fishing and
Speaker 1: guitar playing? Who no, no, I'm gontai stay true deficient
Speaker 1: for sure. It's just like twenty minutes a day of
Speaker 1: good practice. There's a difference between going and playing that
Speaker 1: same song over and over. But if you like focus
Speaker 1: on let's say, cross picking or flat picking and just
Speaker 1: work on tech your picking technique for fifteen minutes a day,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. You want to be like Eddie van Halen.
Speaker 1: Doubt that, but definitely improvement, you know. And uh, all
Speaker 1: that said and done, Like appreciate my wife for being
Speaker 1: very supportive. And it's a real thing once you actually
Speaker 1: have a child and being gone and like missing them.
Speaker 1: It's like very nice and relaxing to be back in
Speaker 1: Bozeman and hanging out with Oscar and Danielle for the holidays.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people in the world that
Speaker 1: don't do anything that requires any kind of discipline. After
Speaker 1: a certain point in life, you just fall in the
Speaker 1: total automatic pilot. I feel like it's important no discipline.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of years left, all of us.
Speaker 1: Do you know, good for your brain to reading you're
Speaker 1: doing challenging stuff playing music because you fall into that,
Speaker 1: like the kind of metal space. Just watch one of
Speaker 1: those shows and they get people on stuck out of
Speaker 1: ditches all night long and your your brain pass he
Speaker 1: just goes down. Yeah, challenge yourself Chester, Do you feel
Speaker 1: like a different person in a way, like in terms
Speaker 1: of yourself identifying, Um, you know prior to guitar and
Speaker 1: then now, um, I don't know about prior to the guitar.
Speaker 1: After this show, I feel a little bit like I
Speaker 1: got done with that show, and I went in the
Speaker 1: crowd to give my aunt and uncle hug and there
Speaker 1: are people coming up to me wanting pictures, saying I
Speaker 1: did a great job. Saying they love me, Eaters saying
Speaker 1: they love the podcast. And still in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just you know, I'm just chester Man. Like
Speaker 1: it's hard to you can legitimately use the word gig
Speaker 1: now like you're you're in, you can say, you can
Speaker 1: say it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't feel different.
Speaker 1: I feel enlightened in a way. Yeah, you're still opportunity
Speaker 1: to leave. Yes, that's the craziest thing. People like authenticity.
Speaker 1: You look at that ship paternity leave. Believe when I
Speaker 1: heard he came up in the wrong time. But it's
Speaker 1: times changed. It's like I've had nine months a kid.
Speaker 1: I missed out on nine months of just like dicking
Speaker 1: around all day long by not having well. And that's
Speaker 1: that's here in the States. If you lived in Latvia
Speaker 1: and there will be, it's gonna be mandatory soon for
Speaker 1: the dads to take off three months mandatory nine months
Speaker 1: of just doing nothing. Me nine months. No, what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I had three kids. If I was, if I was
Speaker 1: coming up of age now, I would have enjoyed nine
Speaker 1: months of just whatever, have some more kids. But it's
Speaker 1: too late now, why I mean, maybe not six months
Speaker 1: it's two months. I think it's two, not three. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you can. I'm not quite sure. I think
Speaker 1: you can maybe do three if you need it, but
Speaker 1: there might be some Well, when I found out about it,
Speaker 1: was perturbed what I did as I said, if it's
Speaker 1: three and three, I said, we should take one of
Speaker 1: them from the guys and give it to the girls.
Speaker 1: Make it to four. Yeah, I just don't see why
Speaker 1: they're off, like, it's just not the same thing. You
Speaker 1: didn't have a baby, Yeah, yeah, but you could be
Speaker 1: the one who's staying home taking care of the baby.
Speaker 1: Come on, and a child, A child is not just
Speaker 1: raised by its mother. When I heard that it was
Speaker 1: three and three, I never followed up on it. I said,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be three and three, be four and two.
Speaker 1: They should guys should give one of theirs up for
Speaker 1: the girls. I agree. It is very very nice though,
Speaker 1: like being there for her, especially since it's our first kid,
Speaker 1: and learning how it all works and still being able
Speaker 1: to go do things on our own. I'm sure a
Speaker 1: lot of time as nice that that female is out
Speaker 1: of her work, out of the workforce, and not participating
Speaker 1: in her career for then an extra two months longer
Speaker 1: than that male is they don't say you have to
Speaker 1: take it. That's that's true. You don't take any that's true.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. I'm excited to get back to work.
Speaker 1: I'm not a policy guy that I'm excited to get
Speaker 1: back to work. But I tried to figure out. I
Speaker 1: try to figure out who said that quote, just because
Speaker 1: if you're good to know, because you like to say
Speaker 1: it and throw it around. I can't find it. But
Speaker 1: what this does tell me from doing this quick little
Speaker 1: Google search of putting that in there, is that playing
Speaker 1: or even just holding a guitar makes you sexy. The
Speaker 1: top the top six articles are apparently the matter Apparently
Speaker 1: this matters. Holding a guitar makes you sexy? Sexy mf
Speaker 1: by Prince the Guitar's power of seduction. Men who play
Speaker 1: guitar are instantly more attractive. It goes on and on.
Speaker 1: Do you want me to tell you who told me
Speaker 1: that quote? There's a writer name look him up? Does
Speaker 1: a writer named Paget Howell? M hmmm part of him?
Speaker 1: I act your Southerner. So the writer Paget Powell told
Speaker 1: me that, and I think he was friendly with the
Speaker 1: Lenyard skinnerd Fellers. He told me that story so it
Speaker 1: might not be captured on the internet. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I got that from you, but I butchered the quote. Okay,
Speaker 1: you ready. I don't know. That's a tough one to follow,
Speaker 1: but I'll give him my best for you guys. Um, well,
Speaker 1: great year I had again, as I tend to have.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time I had a bad year.
Speaker 1: Because you're you're a half glass full exactly, You're nail
Speaker 1: your nail in the quotes today have class bowl, you
Speaker 1: only have half class always full. But I was born
Speaker 1: with a half glass. I was gonna recount in his Uh,
Speaker 1: who's my oldest daughter her first Latvian deer camp experience?
Speaker 1: And what I learned from that? And Uh, what's interesting
Speaker 1: about that is that I was just thinking as I
Speaker 1: was gathering notes in my head, is that that is
Speaker 1: The story starts about a year earlier when I was
Speaker 1: back in Wisconsin for the rifle hunt after already being
Speaker 1: there for a week archery hunting, and I was texting
Speaker 1: with Steve and he's like, where are you? I said,
Speaker 1: I mean Wisconsin rifle deer hunting. He's like again, So yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, made sure to get to hunt a lot
Speaker 1: without your kids. I'm like, yeah, well, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what I said. Well, okay, what
Speaker 1: did you say? I said, you get your kids with you. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got your kids with you, Which is kind of
Speaker 1: like you can say that same thing saying that you're
Speaker 1: hunting without your kids because you're at the Latvian family Camp.
Speaker 1: Uh are you're asking? So you thought that my kids
Speaker 1: would be with me? And I thought there was some
Speaker 1: talk of that, so well, I was talking at the
Speaker 1: at the time I was, and I was told you,
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if it's a hundred percent
Speaker 1: cool to have females in this camp. It's always been
Speaker 1: a male camp. And the one instance I can remember
Speaker 1: when a wife showed up it was and this was
Speaker 1: I was a long time ago. I was like, I
Speaker 1: remember there being some friction around this, and I later
Speaker 1: found out that it wasn't because she was a female.
Speaker 1: That she was there. Being a female is because there
Speaker 1: are some other just drama amongst people like people like
Speaker 1: to do and that's what causes So I had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with her being But you read it one
Speaker 1: way at that, Yeah, sure, I was, you know, in
Speaker 1: my teens probably and uh so anyways, I asked if
Speaker 1: I could bring my oldest daughter that last year and
Speaker 1: everybody was like, yeah, for sure, bringer so it was
Speaker 1: unanimously supported. Yeah, totally. And uh at the time, I
Speaker 1: didn't think that I would have any sort of um,
Speaker 1: you know, apprehension about it, but I did once. It
Speaker 1: was like, as the trip was kind of coming up.
Speaker 1: You know, it's no different than taking your wife out
Speaker 1: on her first you know, hunter whatever, you start to
Speaker 1: get this apprehension of like you want everything to go right,
Speaker 1: you want the crew to accept who this new person
Speaker 1: that you're bringing in when you want Iena to be like,
Speaker 1: this is something I want to do the rest of
Speaker 1: my life. Yea, pent so you're trying to make it great,
Speaker 1: you know. So I bought like a thousand it was.
Speaker 1: Of course, it hasn't been cold in Wisconsin for the
Speaker 1: only day of rifle season since I don't know when,
Speaker 1: and the forecast is like highs of sixteen Like oh boy,
Speaker 1: so but like a thousand handwarmers, body warmers, told warmers.
Speaker 1: My dad showed up with a blind had him get
Speaker 1: me one of the buddy heaters, and uh, I've never
Speaker 1: done that set up that works slick, so slick that iena. Um.
Speaker 1: We would get to the blind and get in there
Speaker 1: and get her pact full handwarmers and body warmers everywhere
Speaker 1: and get the buddy heat or going. She was wearing
Speaker 1: the first light sanctuary kit in like not even five minutes.
Speaker 1: I'd look I'd be like, okay, cool, we're all setting.
Speaker 1: I'd look over and she's sleeping. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you could get so comfortable in one of those like
Speaker 1: folding camp chairs, but yeah, she's snuggled right in and
Speaker 1: there'd be a solid ninety minutes. I'm like, well, this
Speaker 1: is great. The wind's right, it's very quiet. If a
Speaker 1: deer comes by, we'll get a shot. Um. She didn't
Speaker 1: get to see any deer the first morning because when
Speaker 1: I'd see them, I'd be like, she'd be like, you know,
Speaker 1: she'd there'd been barely any movement, no, no, no dear coming,
Speaker 1: you know, and by the time she'd actually wake up,
Speaker 1: you know, open her eyes, you know, they'd be long gone.
Speaker 1: But she didn't get see any deer that day. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was great because the we only hunted two days,
Speaker 1: where there maybe two and a half days, and it
Speaker 1: was great to see, Like the way everybody took care
Speaker 1: of her, accepted her, you know, made her field part
Speaker 1: of the group. And the way that my daughter was
Speaker 1: able to just at eleven roll into you know, a
Speaker 1: deer camp with I think we had twelve or thirteen
Speaker 1: this year. You know, most she knew a couple of people,
Speaker 1: my brother was there, my dad was there, but you know,
Speaker 1: a do ten people that she's never met before and
Speaker 1: just roll with the punches, you know, and be social
Speaker 1: and be comfortable and chit chat with everybody. Um. She
Speaker 1: enjoyed that part of it, the camaraderie as much as
Speaker 1: she did you know, being out in the woods with me,
Speaker 1: which was great to see, you know, and then go ahead,
Speaker 1: which is a big part of the Wisconsin deer culture exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that was gonna be a point I was gonna
Speaker 1: bring up too, is I realized this year, with having
Speaker 1: her there is how important that camp has been in
Speaker 1: my life and that experience, you know, and being able
Speaker 1: to go there not every year but off and on
Speaker 1: for you know, coming on forty years. Um, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty special deal. And you and you realize how many
Speaker 1: people don't have that, you know, like how many people
Speaker 1: haven't never even been to like a real deer camp
Speaker 1: let alone for fifty years in a row, like some
Speaker 1: of the people that you know go there have you know,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a real connection there. And I think
Speaker 1: that you know, those bonds and friendships are in forms people,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's certainly that camp is influence
Speaker 1: who I am, you know, as a as a person. Um,
Speaker 1: it was cool to have three generations of potelis Is
Speaker 1: in one camp, you know, something I didn't you know,
Speaker 1: think about beforehand, but then being there and seeing my
Speaker 1: dad and me and my daughter, you know in a picture,
Speaker 1: it was it was a cool thing to see. Um,
Speaker 1: so great great weekend overall. Um, I guess I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a one general takeaway or thing I'll learn
Speaker 1: from it, but things that I'm reminded of that I
Speaker 1: try to live this and but it's hard to always
Speaker 1: remember because, like you say, it's easy to go on autopilot.
Speaker 1: But you know, doing things that might make you feel
Speaker 1: nervous or difficult or whatever, it might be hard. If
Speaker 1: you just go and do them, you're gonna come out
Speaker 1: either side, you know, a better person probably, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's getting up and doing a show or taking
Speaker 1: your daughter into a you know, a camp full of
Speaker 1: men where for me personally, it would be a lot
Speaker 1: easier to go there without my kids hang out stress,
Speaker 1: you know, not have that stress there and just be
Speaker 1: doing the old guy thing and you know, drinking a
Speaker 1: few extra beers whatever it might be. This is the
Speaker 1: harder version, but then in hindsight, it's like definitely the
Speaker 1: best version. You know, it could be the ass they are,
Speaker 1: but that brings up like the other sort of you know,
Speaker 1: take away from it, and it's, uh, the reap what
Speaker 1: you So, it's like we've done you're experiencing it too.
Speaker 1: I think Matt is finally getting there where he's not
Speaker 1: so much of paying the butt. My girls have really
Speaker 1: grown out of that completely. Oh yeah, my kids are
Speaker 1: all rational now. It's fun. It's paying the butt. It's
Speaker 1: like paying the button. It's a lot of wet, muddy stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's great. I mean, it's just there's
Speaker 1: no relax. There's no relax. Still isn't no relax. Rea, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to like I'm starting to reap a little
Speaker 1: bit of relax and just get to enjoy their company
Speaker 1: and then enjoy and just see like all that time
Speaker 1: and effort that we put into which hasn't when you
Speaker 1: look back at now, when you're in the mix of it,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, it's never gonna end. Now
Speaker 1: looking back on it, you wish you had more years
Speaker 1: doing it, because it's over and those ten years have
Speaker 1: flown by. You know that we put all this effort
Speaker 1: into it, and you've sort of now created these you know,
Speaker 1: not quite adult humans, but getting there, and uh, they
Speaker 1: are who they are, you know, and so it's it's
Speaker 1: it's cool to sit back and go, oh, yeah, it
Speaker 1: all it worked. You know. I'm glad we spent more
Speaker 1: time reading and less time on tablets. And I'm glad
Speaker 1: that we said no so many times and taught him
Speaker 1: to be polite and taught them to talk to adults
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be, just general raising adults. Um.
Speaker 1: I heard a quote the other day, I can't remember
Speaker 1: who said it. She said, I never raised any kids,
Speaker 1: I was raising adults. I like that, thinking you're not
Speaker 1: really raising kids, right. I think one of the and
Speaker 1: that thing, I think one of the best strategies I've had,
Speaker 1: like one of the things that we've done that that
Speaker 1: paid off. The best is I always make my kids
Speaker 1: go up and shake people's hands, introduced themselves. Always huge impact.
Speaker 1: That doesn't come naturally. No, it doesn't know they're going
Speaker 1: to be able to learn to go in and shake
Speaker 1: someone's hand and say what their name is and asking
Speaker 1: what their name is. Yeah, you know these not like
Speaker 1: it now, they just do it. Yeah, are they going
Speaker 1: to do yourself? No, I've been there plenty of times
Speaker 1: for that. When you do that with your kids, and uh,
Speaker 1: I feel nervous for the kids. You're I gotta go
Speaker 1: back for a set. You're still not like relaxing at all. No, No,
Speaker 1: with all three when they're all to gather, all three
Speaker 1: of them know, yes, well what day it was? Sunday?
Speaker 1: We got a good Christmas tree okay, and we did
Speaker 1: like I said, we did an extreme Christmas tree hunt.
Speaker 1: We saw trees never before seen by man, trophies trophy. However,
Speaker 1: I don't the gear management. I don't understand. Yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like this super slick hillside covered in powder
Speaker 1: snow and they're sliding down and we haven't started hunting
Speaker 1: trees yet. If you're like, you're not allowed to have
Speaker 1: while we're out now where this is gonna land. I
Speaker 1: know what it's gonna land. I know that one's gonna
Speaker 1: be crying because he's cold. Because he's cold and he
Speaker 1: got Michael. I just want to give him my gloves.
Speaker 1: Then I just want to know my hands are cold.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to bring extra hats and neckid you honest,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get to the relaxation stage a little bit. Man,
Speaker 1: You'll get there, don't worry. I love it. There's nothing
Speaker 1: to rather do. It's the only time I don't feel
Speaker 1: guilty in my life because you're with your kids. Because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm doing all the things I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I'm not wasting my life. I'm doing what I want
Speaker 1: to do, and then they're there, so I'm not being
Speaker 1: like a bad dad. It's the only time I'm happy.
Speaker 1: I was kind. I just want to drop one more
Speaker 1: thing because axcid of funny. I was over over analyzing
Speaker 1: the hunting because I was trying to get us success,
Speaker 1: you know, and I wanted I had to, you know,
Speaker 1: see see a kill, and which brings up another thing
Speaker 1: with two because I'm like, well, you know, I'm only
Speaker 1: gonna shoot like a you know nice buck know, and
Speaker 1: should we shoot a deal or not? We can go
Speaker 1: back to Montana and shoot does And I hadn't really
Speaker 1: asked her, but on the last evening when we're like
Speaker 1: watching some deer run around in front of her, She's like,
Speaker 1: I'd be happy if you shot anything. And of course
Speaker 1: then I didn't have another opportunity, and so whatever. She
Speaker 1: she wasn't bummed out about it. But as we're hunting along,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to include her in the process. Where do
Speaker 1: you think we should go? Did you like that spot
Speaker 1: where we were yesterday morning? You know, the wind's doing this,
Speaker 1: the deer should be better at this. I'm just like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you have any input at all? Her answer every
Speaker 1: single time is there gonna be action there. Let's go
Speaker 1: where the action, don't I'm like, and it did hit me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's right, keep it simple, stupid, just like,
Speaker 1: go where the action is. And we did. We literally
Speaker 1: went to the spot where, even though someone had already
Speaker 1: shot a buck out of there, there was a bunch
Speaker 1: of tracks in that zone. People had seen deer in there,
Speaker 1: like the cameras had picked up a you know, a
Speaker 1: few pictures of deer, and we went there in old
Speaker 1: we got to watch two bucks fight and another one
Speaker 1: messing around, and they all chased one doll around for
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes. It's quite the wildlife encounter. You know
Speaker 1: what's good? Yeah, there you go. There's my uh advice
Speaker 1: or three go where the action is. Yeah, I like that,
Speaker 1: or be a good dad too. Here's here's my thing.
Speaker 1: It's not that monumental, but just as something that stays
Speaker 1: in my head early and let me back up, let
Speaker 1: me back up. In Michigan, I was I like to
Speaker 1: trap a whole bunch growing up, and um was real
Speaker 1: heavy duty and new I thought that's all I was
Speaker 1: gonna do for a living. And you were allowed to
Speaker 1: catch a bobcat and quite a ways, yeah, our drive
Speaker 1: had you had to go about an hour hour and
Speaker 1: a half north where you're allowed a bobcat, and um,
Speaker 1: I never did it because those Michigan bobcasts are not
Speaker 1: valuable at all. So like bobcats in the high like
Speaker 1: high planes bobcats or you know, great Basin bobcats they
Speaker 1: might be like five six hundred bucks, they're like fifteen
Speaker 1: dollars in Michigan. They don't have the white belly there's
Speaker 1: dingy um. So never could justify because I would just
Speaker 1: catch stuff to sell it and it wasn't valuable. One
Speaker 1: time though I was this most have been in ninety four.
Speaker 1: I think I would go up to Macosta County, a
Speaker 1: big rap is Michigan. We trapped beaver through the ice
Speaker 1: after everything froze up so late December January, trapped muskrats
Speaker 1: and beaver through the ice. And I was on this
Speaker 1: big marsh and there's all these beaver lodges, three or
Speaker 1: four beaver lodges through this big marsh in one day
Speaker 1: walking along where I had sets, and this bobcat had
Speaker 1: walked from lodge to lodge like on our tracks. And
Speaker 1: I had laid a beaver down in the ice. And
Speaker 1: when something drowns, it will bleed out its nose a
Speaker 1: little bit. I had laid a beaver around the ice,
Speaker 1: and it had left a little blood patch that bobcat
Speaker 1: had kind of like walked around smelling that blood patch.
Speaker 1: And uh, I thought from then on always about how
Speaker 1: like it just seemed mysterious. I was wanting to catch
Speaker 1: a bobcat. And then I promptly moved away, left left
Speaker 1: the area. Thought and thought, thought, about it, and last
Speaker 1: year right in January trying to think. No, I can't
Speaker 1: remember December January. Either way, it went out and spent
Speaker 1: a week trying to catch a bobcat for like seven days.
Speaker 1: I didn't catch one. Then last year in January, I
Speaker 1: caught one on accident in a Martin set. So he
Speaker 1: got caught one of my Martin boxes and I didn't
Speaker 1: know it. I get into my Martin box and the
Speaker 1: traps out, all kinds of branches are broken, and there's
Speaker 1: white fur in the trap, and am I try to think,
Speaker 1: what the hell would have done that, you know? And
Speaker 1: I thought maybe like a weasel and something to ate it.
Speaker 1: But there's no blood, there's no nothing, And I just
Speaker 1: wrote it off like a mystery you'll never solve. I
Speaker 1: go to the next Martin box fifty yards away in
Speaker 1: the area is dead and your door nill. He like
Speaker 1: crammed his hand his head, like he had to squeeze
Speaker 1: his head into that thing, gets caught. Um, how unsatisfying
Speaker 1: to catch him by accident. I'm glad, I was glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got him. I got him registered. He's
Speaker 1: hanging to my office. But um, like the role of
Speaker 1: luck and intention man so unsatisfying. I didn't even kind
Speaker 1: of scratch the itch. Are you it's not getting the bobcat? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's on whose terms you're you know what I mean? Yeah? Completely,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like the same way you used
Speaker 1: to say, like getting a something that it's been collared,
Speaker 1: that somebody's already gotten it before on accident? Are you
Speaker 1: gonna get back at the bob yea? On purpose? It's
Speaker 1: like it never happened, but as it trap, I was glad.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, but no I wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was like it was honestly, it was the most
Speaker 1: mixed It was the most mixed emotion feeling. It was
Speaker 1: more like I was watching it happened to someone else.
Speaker 1: But as a trapper, I've been thinking about that all years.
Speaker 1: But as a trapper, you it's like bound happened that bycatch.
Speaker 1: But it's like there's certain things that I just was
Speaker 1: there's a thing I wanted to do and haven't done it,
Speaker 1: and then I did it on an accident. It just
Speaker 1: kills me. Chest A wold be kind of like if
Speaker 1: you're at fishing for perch nine ten inch perch and
Speaker 1: shipped into a ten pound walley Yeah, like you're doing
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing in the world, you're doing the least
Speaker 1: Walleye thing in the world, and you catch a state
Speaker 1: record Walleye and then don't you just experience that as
Speaker 1: a really nice surprise. I've been trying for a year.
Speaker 1: I still can't get there. When I walk I walk
Speaker 1: out of my office, I see that Bob Kat hanging there.
Speaker 1: You think at a point of just be glee. I
Speaker 1: see that Bob Kat hanging there, and I still stings me.
Speaker 1: A year later, I totally get that. That makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got it. I don't want it to
Speaker 1: go away. I'm glad I got it every single time
Speaker 1: I look at it. It's not a you know, it's
Speaker 1: like you know on accident Blind Squirrel to make you
Speaker 1: be like a suck at Bobcat track. No, it just
Speaker 1: it's like, um, yeah, but you know what, it gave
Speaker 1: you a good story, and you got a good story
Speaker 1: out of the deal. I feel like it's how people
Speaker 1: to inherit a lot of money feel when they look
Speaker 1: like if you made a lot of money through entrepreneurial
Speaker 1: ship and risk, you're looking at big fat bank account.
Speaker 1: You're probably like, hell, yeah you did that. But if
Speaker 1: you like, if you just got it like from your grandpa,
Speaker 1: you know, like generational, Well, yeah, you're probably looking at
Speaker 1: any like and then you look at that. Yeah you
Speaker 1: don't look at it. You're not like yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know kind of felt I when you
Speaker 1: set that trap. Bobcats were the first thing from your mind, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't think a bobcat could fit his head, right,
Speaker 1: So I get it. I don't think he thought he's
Speaker 1: gonna fit his head. And if you were playing like
Speaker 1: a one on one golf game with Tiger Woods and
Speaker 1: it was neck and neck up until the end, and
Speaker 1: then Tiger was just swings and misses and lands on
Speaker 1: his ass and ships his pants, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I win. But like Tiger Woods probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: have fallen down or he had a stroke and you
Speaker 1: beat him. It's not a stroke like a stroke like
Speaker 1: a swing. Yeah, yeah, I got it. It's like you
Speaker 1: didn't sink the long puppet he three putted. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It still kills me every time I look at him.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got him. He's beautiful. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: not and I'm saying, we're doing a fundraiser dinner, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, um, We're doing in a fundraiser dinner, and
Speaker 1: I'm cooking that bobcat up I got was too little,
Speaker 1: two little legs and throws up. Ye had four safe.
Speaker 1: I did some gumbo with my bobcat. It was delicious,
Speaker 1: is it? That's another cool thing about bobcats, Like you
Speaker 1: catch kyo. You know, I've I've learned my lesson. I'm
Speaker 1: eating kyos. But bobcats people, people enjoy them. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they're tasty. Man, Gumbo sounds good right about now. There's
Speaker 1: the season. So I'm trying to take a word that
Speaker 1: leaves people confused. If you're going after something and it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out the way you plan, just keep on trucking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be um, you know what it is. Don't take credit
Speaker 1: for something you didn't do. Take care of your daughter,
Speaker 1: but when lots of rock and roll, but when luck
Speaker 1: shines upon you. And if you take your wife hunt
Speaker 1: and don't freak out on her, it's m h. And
Speaker 1: make your kids always make your kids feel real awkward.
Speaker 1: Make him go, introduce them cells to people. Calm down,
Speaker 1: Calm down, out of the room to just make him
Speaker 1: come downstairs, just introduce them cells to someone. It'll pay off.
Speaker 1: I'm just it'll play off. I'm Steve. I'm just picturing
Speaker 1: Matt doing that though, like kind of like regretting. Like
Speaker 1: he gets in there, he gets it done. Man, he
Speaker 1: does a good job. Just fight two. Someone rings the
Speaker 1: doorbell one of the kids lives, run over where they
Speaker 1: can see, and I'll be watching from this, going to
Speaker 1: just stand there looking out. I'm like, well, now what happens?
Speaker 1: You go and bite them in, you know. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like the is this the Ranella household? No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they race over and look at the person through the window.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year. I'm trying to think of one of
Speaker 1: legiti really like what I'm gonna do. As much as
Speaker 1: I hate resolutions, I'm trying to think what I'm legitimately
Speaker 1: gonna do. Catch a bob cat. I mean, like like
Speaker 1: in terms of personal behavior, I'm gonna trying not to
Speaker 1: freak out of my kids as much. Mm hmm. That's
Speaker 1: a good one. Every year, hard, hard, hard when you're
Speaker 1: trying to freak out on him as much. My dad
Speaker 1: freaked out him me all the time. It's like in
Speaker 1: my blood. It's gonna be a good year. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good year. Mm hmm. Make it a good year.
Speaker 1: There you go with Chester. Alright, but happy happy New year, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Don't take credit for something you didn't do. Thanks, but
Speaker 1: get a tanned Definitely get a be appreciative set