WEBVTT - Ep. 401: Ch-ch-ch-changes and Lessons for 2023 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.760 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.680 severely bug bitten in my case underwear listening Hunt Me podcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:23.360 You can't predict anything presented by First, like creating proven 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.920 versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:35.400 for every hunt first like go farther, stay longer. All right, 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:39.640 Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Happy New Year. It 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:52.400 just doesn't feel like because it's not what do you mean? Yeah, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.400 I gotta just I's gonna come flat out and tell 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:58.880 people we're recording this before. It's a long No, it's 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.360 not a long story. Listening on the second dude, it 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.200 takes him and stuff to turn around, So this is 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.960 it's not the new year. We're gonna talk about new 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.319 yourself because it's a new year mood. Dude, Like on Spotify, 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.320 Oh yeah, that was the stupidest thing in the world. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.240 I mean, God bless him loves Spotify. I listened to 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.280 listen you wanna you wanna know something? I'm in the 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:24.320 way ass. See in my house, I have a Sonos system, 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.360 but I run Spotify through Sonos. I'm in the way 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:32.520 ass top tier of time spent listening, and I am in. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.720 I am in the point oh one top percent of 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:45.120 Sharon Vanett and fans Sharon Vanett and I've listening to 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.880 more based on this room I listen. I listened to 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.320 more Sharon van Att and theoint I don't. I can't 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.840 even do the math If I'm in the top point 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.800 oh one percent of fans? What what? Who am I? Who? 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.720 How many more? What percent am I listening to more of? 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.519 So you're so you're you're Spotify wrapped. Wasn't completely bungled 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.920 by your kids? Because mine, that's its completely, it's gone. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.040 It doesn't know. Those sons of bitches. I can't stand 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.120 when they do that. It's terrible. I've had, like I 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.520 don't want to name names, but I had someone affiliated 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:30.079 with my household really screw up my program. They weren't 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:36.680 able to I like wage war on them on that. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.720 They have an Alexa you know the Alexa deals. It's 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.400 it's tide to your account, right, Yeah, but you should 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.799 not have Like Amazon never had any music, but now 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:46.840 they have. They went they're kind of going to Spotify. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.600 Now they have a ton of music, but they just 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.520 opened up something where you know, like normally they're like 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.000 Amazon had its own service, but there wasn't a huge 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.160 selection first launch, but now they've got a lot more. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:03:00.480 So you'd be like, uh, play me some hold addie, right, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.120 and they be like here, here's something similar. But now 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.440 they got a bunch. Anyhow, somehow my kids figured out 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.800 for a while how to get into Spotify. I was 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.080 throwing my stuff off because they like those stupid songs. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:16.639 Now you're in the top. No, they're not into that, 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.720 but they like a song called Pancake roll Dumb. It's 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.239 just these these goofy songs. There's one that my kids 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.840 love called jingle Burgers. It's just it's terrible. It's just 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.560 it's adult singing and high pitched voices to just to like, 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.440 you know, I don't know, kids love it. And there 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:36.040 was recently something that came out. Here's why I hate 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.760 like one of the reasons I hate virality. This is 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.520 a good kick off to the New Year's thing, right, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.760 one of the years I hate I hate Like. Did 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.320 you say something that was everywhere? It was like a 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.360 kid talking about corn. Oh yeah, it's like, who gets listen, 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.920 let me tell you something, people, why you cute? People 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.000 liked it? Because people liked it, meaning if I took 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.160 a hundred Americans off. Let's say I had that recording 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.760 and I'm the only guy that knew about the recording. Okay, 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.320 I pull a hundred Americans randomly off the street. I 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.480 sit them down, I say, watch this video on my phone. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.560 Is this a life changing video for you? They'd all go, no, 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:20.159 kid's cute, Kid's cute. But no. However, if you pump 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.640 into America's head that something has that like everyone is 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:29.800 liking it. They like it. They like it because they 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:34.680 like it. For instance, whenever it became like a thing 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.880 to say, like a dad joke, Okay, once it had 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:44.480 a name, it became a thing. But they need language, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.839 Like Americans need language to make things a thing, and 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.840 they need like they're like a dad, this a dad 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.000 bod Okay. So like this whole genre of like dad 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.880 bob dad joke came out and then everybody becomes aware 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.600 of it because there's now language to dis gribes something 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.480 that's always existed, but they didn't know to care because 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.160 they had no language around it. Likewise, the stupid kid 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:10.120 with the corn thing, there's a song, but they took 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.960 the kid talking about corn and said it the music. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.360 My kids play that all the time. Yeah, I used 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.640 dad bod now, but before I would just be like, 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:21.520 I'm getting kind of fat because you do you know what. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.040 People would describe The Whole Steady as dad rock. Sure, 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.159 that's like drug addict. It's all about it's like they're 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.240 all it's all drug addict stuff. Yeah, but they're all 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.440 they're all cleaned up and old now so you're thinking 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.600 as yacht rock. No, dad, dad rock is a dad. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.640 Dad rocks the thing. Yea rocks a whole different thing. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.480 I'm I'm trying to I'm here with you. The Whole 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.480 Steady is all about. Wilco is another example of dad rock. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.480 Absolutely yeah, And there's like a lot of like there's 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.279 a lot of there's a lot of weirdly, they have 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.080 a lot of drug references and a lot of spousal 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:59.760 abuse references, which is like a wrinkle the Whole Steady. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.520 It's just like drug addict music. It's like about drug addicts, 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.320 but dads love it. It's not it's not like it's 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:11.479 not you know, it's not music about dad's. Uh, that's 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.920 a great band. Well the time about you were talking 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:19.800 about how you're the best band ever sharing how it's like, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.360 oh I know what I was getting at. Jeez, man, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.080 it's been a long time since I started making my 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:27.320 point point being it has the feeling of the end 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.000 of the year because I just got served, uh my Spotify, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.200 that stupid thing with the like psychedelics on Spotify that 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.240 tells you what you're up to. Over to course, your 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.160 favorite genre is a song. It's just joining and it's 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.839 all like you're looking through a kaleidoscope. Yeah, I don't 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.680 like it. Um So, anyways, it's in the air. It's 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.120 a long road to get there, but we got there 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.440 in New Year's in the air. Chester just told me 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:56.320 something New Year's ish. Yeah, there's a ice out there, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.320 starting to be some ice out there. Oh no, no, no, no, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:03.240 you're you're dip, quit and plan. Oh yeah, Well I 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.920 got two other buddies, and those guys are real into fitness. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.440 Are they real into dip? First of all? So yeah, 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:11.920 but I want to get to how what you said 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.440 wasn't that smart? We're going yeah, I'm I'm getting there. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.440 I mean, that's not what I They're real into fitness, 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:24.520 and all three of us occasionally like to dip. Actually 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.760 occasionally we like to dip. And they were like how 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:34.720 about whoever caves first, meaning we're gonna try and quit chewing, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.840 and whoever puts it a dip in their lip has 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:42.400 to swim a mile in the pool. And I pointed out, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.080 if they're into fitness, how is it a punishment? I 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.280 think if you had a bunch of like a bunch 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:55.480 of unathletic fats's who hate any kind of exercise and 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.600 they wanted to quit dip and the punishment would be 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.120 you had to swim a mile in the pool. No, 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.640 I get it, And that's why I responded to them, 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.680 like how hard it is it to swim a mile 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.040 in a pool? Like I need some context here because 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.120 I could probably benefit from this swimming thing, you know. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.480 But they said it's extremely difficult, especially if you don't swim. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.520 So they don't want to swim the mile on the pool. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:23.320 I don't know because they I don't think they do, 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.360 but you do see what I'm saying. Of course, It's 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.080 it's like like you said, like if all of us 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.000 were like, whoever has a drink first, they have to 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.319 go hunting, like you, like you just said exactly when 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.160 my old man quit smoking, and I'll tell what he did. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.320 He how he finally quit. It was like a money 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.240 related bet. He gave ten to one odds and got 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:49.800 to be There was no way he could afford to 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.720 not There's no way he could afford to not quit 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.040 because he was given ten dollars on the dollar to 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.160 a bunch of people, a lot of people. How much 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.040 did he make in the I think he made seven 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:07.000 hundred if I remember right, he made seven hundred and 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.240 would had a fork out seven grand if you didn't quit. 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.079 It's better than swimming a mile in a pool making seven. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:18.439 Here's your thing. You're not getting anything out of winning, true? 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.160 Oh you're getting is that It's like all you know 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.640 is that somewhere someone swimming in the pool while mild 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.040 Man's walking around the fat wallet. Maybe you can like 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.360 stand on the edge of the pool and make sure 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.520 he doesn't like touch the edge or something. You know, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.559 you could heckle him if you go a dred percent 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:40.679 Zin does that count as queen chewing tobacco? I would 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.480 just count it as nicotine, you know, is what I 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.439 am addicted to. So you're trying to get off a 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.360 nicotine altogether. Yeah, because you switched to dip alternative. Now 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.160 you're doing the next thing, right, and I've I've tried 0:09:54.400 --> 0:10:00.160 tried quentin. I tried quitting about every other week probably. Well, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:05.120 you know, um, I like to follow the firm market, dude. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.360 This is like New Year's is. Because I was just 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:11.040 reading the firm market report for coming up and uh, 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.160 like the whole Russia things got everything whacked out in 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:21.240 various ways. Uh, they buy a lot of her um traditionally, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.160 like a lot like us fur will go to Russia. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.080 The other thing is there's a sable market, so like 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.400 there's a lot of sable, they get trapped sable. Our 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.080 European like Eurasian Martin, that's what they call sables. And 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.880 when Martin, when American Martin are sold, they're sold as sable, 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.280 so like in the old days you get like a 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.400 sable brush that was like the hair in the brush, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:47.160 or like a sables scarf. Even American Martin I wind 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.240 up being used as sable. So the Russians eyes buy 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.280 a shipload of her and that's all screwed up. Uh. Oh, 0:10:55.360 --> 0:11:01.000 you know that the Russians. The Rooski's reached out trying 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.000 to the Rooski reached out trying to do a Roosky 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.240 version of one of our books. Pretty it felt pretty 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.839 good to make a political statement because especially because it 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.560 only cost five Yeah. I was like, I'm reading this thing, 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.440 and do you remember what book it was? It was 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.440 the Survival book, okay, the will Yeah, the Wilderness Skills Book, 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.360 which they may need over there, I know. So like 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.160 this Russian publisher wanted to buy our will buy, then 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.120 by the Russian rights to do a translation of the 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.800 Wilderness Skills Book, and then the whole time I'm like, 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.719 oh man, this is like, you know, it's gonna be 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.040 like you can't do it. You know, you can't do 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.120 it because all the boycott stuff. But man, but I 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.600 got the end. It was only five bucks, so they'll 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:46.920 be like hell no. I was like, oh good, not 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:54.840 not costing me anything to be uh. So here's an 0:11:54.840 --> 0:12:00.120 interesting thing, man um beavers. So in the beaver market, 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.920 beavers are sold as like most beavers go into that 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.040 what's called the hatter market. So if you go back 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:08.520 to the old days, you go back to the mountain 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:12.600 man era. Um, all those beavers that were trapped by 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.960 all those mountain man Rocky mountain beaver trappers and others 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.480 were all used to make hats. They shred the whole 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:24.360 thing and make wolf felt. Uh so Abe Lincoln like 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.160 the top hat and all that, right, beaver wolf felt 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.800 top has their water resistant warm very fashionable. Uh well, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.000 he might have been the silk hat era, because when 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:38.199 when they started making hat some silk, it killed the 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.640 old beaver market. But today everything but the best. So 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.319 like you might have a lot of beavers that come 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:49.800 out of the Upper Great Lakes, extreme northern Midwest, like 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.000 very dark, heavy beavers like those go to certain uses. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.200 Most of all the beavers, most other beavers from the south, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.760 all the beavers in the West going to the hatter market. 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:06.600 They're going to making statsuns. This this bobcat guy, Mercer Long, 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.280 he's gonna be coming on the podcast. He used to 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.560 be a he still is a fur trapper. But he 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.719 also when researchers are trying to do catch bobcats, the 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.440 collar him. He's the go to you guy when you 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.560 want to put a collar on a bobcat. He's like 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:24.040 Joe Bobcat. He sent me a text. Let me let 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:25.720 me tell you another. Let me let me give you another. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.280 He has some interesting insights. He said this one day. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.800 So here's a here's him. Why does it bother me 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.480 so much? These guys with this Why does it bother 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.200 me so much? These guys with the seventy tho dollar 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.080 land cruisers and jeeps with all the stupid ship bolted 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.080 to the outside of it, water jugs, gasoline traction boards 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:52.160 and handyman jack's. Can you imagine actually spending any time 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.080 on dirt roads and one of those things all that 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.640 crap it's bolt of them things just rattle off or 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.480 the racks are just fall to pieces. Eventually, there isn't 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.720 a single lift point on one of those vehicles that 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.200 you could even use the high lift jack on. And 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.120 then you see them out there when you're trapping on 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.400 their big adventure, a dozen of them making a big 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.880 deal about driving down a trail that you check traps 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:14.720 on every single day most of the time. You'd be 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.720 hard pressed to find a half bottle of water in 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.160 your vehicle and your spare tire has been flattened the 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.240 bed for a week and a half. No, this guy 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.960 is really your buddy. This guy knows how to get 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:31.880 to your heart. Here's a taxi to sent me. Do 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.800 you suppose the liberal save all the animals? Hollywood? Folks 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.920 involved with the TV show Yellowstone realize they are almost 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:44.320 single handedly pushing the beaver market orders for forty to 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:49.600 fifty thousand skins to supply the hatter industry. You suppose 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:51.920 they even know that those Western hats are made with 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:56.880 beaver felt. Probably not a lot of people do. But 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.440 also the guy that runs Yellowstone, Taylor Shardan's a pretty 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.920 centrist dude. He's not he's a beaver trapper. He's a 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.960 face of friend of the beaver trappers. I keep we 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.480 keep getting pitched a podcast guests from various angles, who's 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.960 it sounds like an anti beaver trapper to get them on? 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.080 They wrote beaver Land. I just got pitched them again. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:23.840 Today they have startling startling findings about the secretive contemporary 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:28.000 fur trade. Oh so it's based on It's not like 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:32.000 environmental No, it's about like, hey, beavers make damns. You know. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.720 It's like news alert and then um, you don't say, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.160 and then uh and then um it's it has startling 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.760 discoveries about the contemporary fur trade. I don't maybe we 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:47.280 should have that person. Definitely that sounds interesting. Uh oh, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.400 another heads up for we get we got caught things 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:50.720 to talk about here's in our heads up, you know, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:57.520 like um speaking of like you know, the liberal Hollywood types. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.840 You know how all everything in Disney is like like 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.040 how it's just like NonStop like anti hunting stuff, like 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.240 if you watch it's not Disney, but like Wild Crats 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.880 for instance, Like the bad guy is a wild game 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.360 chef in Wild Crats. You watch that show? You kids? 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.320 Ever watch that show? And like the these two brothers 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:18.640 and I used to have an actual shoulder. I mean, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.160 I don't know if they got too old and they 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.960 started they turned them into carton much younger cartoon people. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.160 But yeah, the hunters are always the bad guys, like 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.440 when the animals are the characters, like the buffoon hunters, Like, yeah, 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.520 there's a wild game chef. There's three, there's one. One 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.520 of the bad guys is kind of like a very 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:43.200 he's like an urban dweller, very fussy and and like 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.600 how do I put it? How do I put it? 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:57.480 Very effeminate, fussy urban knight who kind of hates animals. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.880 One of the bad ad guys is no joke, a 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:10.880 chef who wants to like eat the last of things. Yeah, 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.959 and then you know every other thing like if you 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.840 watch a movie and there's a couple and there's a 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.280 hunter in it. It's like, what is he? He's from 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:22.119 the South, He's from the American South. He's careless and 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.720 and like ruthless I have. This is a hot tip 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.560 for parents with kids. Adventure Time. That's me and my 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.760 kids show. I love it, ten fifteen minute episodes. We 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.440 watched them that night before bed. All their houses taxidermy. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.920 They sleep under animal skins. Everything in their house is 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.200 draped and animal hides. What's this one called adventure Time? 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.840 It's a dystopian no it's like a utopian post apocalyptic 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.080 world where like you gather that it's like also kind 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.920 of fantasy in medieval it's like a whole it's it's cool. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.160 It's a cool. Humans are all gone except for one kid. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.280 In Animate objects have become animate and now and then 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.600 you see like an ice burgl wash up on the 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.399 beach and it's full of humans wearing business suits with 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.439 pustules all over their face. Like humans are gone, and 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.080 it's a kid and his dog and they have a 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.359 lot of adventures and sometimes like I was watching one 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.600 the other day and it just ends inexplicably. They just 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.800 come in and he's holding like a big dead animal 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.600 and drops it on the floor and his buddy's got 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.080 an arrow sticking out of his head um, and yeah, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:31.360 they sleep under his bed. Is all bear hides and rugs. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.960 Where can you watch it? Is it like a YouTube? 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:35.600 It was on it was on cartoon Network, but you 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.280 can watch it. It's on HBO Max and like any 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.080 sort of cartoon network. We have the kind of TV 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.720 you talk into and um my kids just talking to 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.520 it in one of those smart ones that they have now. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.760 They just talk into it and it plays it. But 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:54.800 I don't understand where it's coming from. That's a hot 0:18:54.840 --> 0:19:00.199 to adventure time when when Oscar can start watching. It 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.840 has a lot of talking animals. But I just I 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.679 watch it for the taxidermy. I watched it for the 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.800 I watch it for the tan hides, the beds made 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:14.639 of nothing, but they just sleep under rugs. People like 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:19.760 the ft up Bold tax Darmy calendar. Good. I mean 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.040 they're never going to like as much as the deer 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:30.440 stands calendar. But yeah, good, we well speaking to another good. Yeah, 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.320 I got a couple of ethics, a couple of ethics 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.960 questions we gotta get into well, yeah, if you don't 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.520 have a calendar for this year yet, would be ethical 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:42.480 to buy one. Yeah, there's like just a few left, right, 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.359 I think. Yeah. I think I saw an email that 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.280 it was like thousand I've already been shipped out. Oh 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:50.880 so they sold a good pile. Yeah, oh sweet man. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.120 And then and then there was some of the promo, 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.800 like like for certain orders. I think in the last 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.160 like last year when they were getting rid of them, 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:02.000 it was if you make any order, you could any 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.440 you get a free calendar with any order. So people 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.600 would order a calendar, right, because then you're buying like 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:12.119 a cheap item, so you're paying like whatever, fourteen bucks, 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.960 and then your free item is a calendar. Yeah. So 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.840 it's basically like two for one calendars and a lot 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.520 of calendars sold like that. But yeah, it's not too late. You. 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.680 I hope you can still go get him. We've talked 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:24.640 about this, man. It comes up all the time. Here's 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:29.040 a guy, here, here's a guy writes in states. As 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.080 previously discussed on the podcast, hunters are placed in moral 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.120 and legal dilemmas often I'm quoting. On the opening day 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:42.320 of rifle season, I experienced quite the predicament, Still quoting 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.680 Honey public Land, I heard someone shooting a small caliber 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:50.120 semi automatic firearm, sending out multiple shots. After about ten 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.439 to fifteen minutes, I hear an animal head in my direction. 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.480 I look up to see a small buck, very wounded, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.119 limping into the area. Upon looking at him through my scope, 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:00.760 I can see that he has been shot through the 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.399 front leg at the joint. Upon seeing this, decided to 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.120 do the morally correct thing and dispatch the deer. As 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:08.840 I checked out the deer, I began to see he 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.680 was shot multiple times, twice in the neck, once through 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.480 the front leg, and once in the ham. I proceeded 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:18.920 away over an hour and hopes that someone would show 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:20.600 up looking for the deer they had wounded. But they 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:22.959 put about as much time in finding the wounded animal 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:27.160 as they did at the gun range. I know taking 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.959 a wounded animal has been discussed on the podcast before, 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:33.320 but how would you have played this one? Use your 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.760 only rifle buck tag on a small buck that has 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.520 been shot up, harvest the animal and not tag him 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:44.800 let him walk. I respect the opinions from the meat eater, 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.720 as y'all do the nice nice He ends with some 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:53.200 nice things um, what would you have done? I want 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.280 to first lay out like what you should, what you 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:59.000 what you need legally? This is what This is why 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.560 I saw about ethics because I've been in a situation. 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:06.720 I've been in a station situation two times more than that. Well, 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.960 I was in a situation yesterday in a weird way 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.280 because I'm driving down the road. We're going out set 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:18.199 some Martin sets, and there's a deer all busted up 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.080 on the side of the road, laying there looking around 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.040 cars whizzing by. You can see where to kind of 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.840 dragged itself off into the snow, And like we thought 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.399 about alwaysould probably shoot deer that you're actually not supposed 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.000 to do that, right, that's breaking the law. It's breaking 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.040 a law to shoot the deer. But twice I have 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:41.480 killed severely messed up deer that I did not tag. 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.520 One time, the first time I did it, We're camping 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:48.600 and I took a backstrap off it, and then I 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:52.399 felt like kind of bad about that. You stepped across 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.879 the line at that. Well, it was listen, it was 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.680 a deer that got hit in the lower back ham. 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:01.919 It was just pack full of dirt. The leg was 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:08.399 just dragon. Oh just a mess, and I was like, 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.280 I'm not gonna it's like a total mess. It was 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.800 obviously a hunting related it was hunting season. You could 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:18.159 tell it had been shot. Um I shot it, and 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:19.639 I'm like, man, I don't want to, like, I don't know. 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.359 And that night we ate a backstrap, which was wrong, 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.040 but that was probably more I don't know. I don't 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.040 want that. One's moral legally wrong for sure. The other 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.280 time I killed one a little fun. They had gotten 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:32.159 out onto an island in a river and it had 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.960 been hamstrung by coyotes. It was just a total mess 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:37.479 and dieing anyways, and I shot it. Didn't touch it. 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:42.000 Both times that was illegal because you didn't use your tag, 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.240 didn't use a tag, and didn't contact game warden. So 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:46.840 I'll do mine that you guys can do years. I'll 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.240 do mine for what I think this individual, what I 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.359 would have done in this individual shoes, if I was 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.880 being my best person. Yeah, if you're being any best person, 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:57.919 you wouldn't have messed with it. If you didn't want it, 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.560 your second best person, you just shot it. Realized it 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.399 was full of holes, realize that no one came and 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.520 looked for it, and call a game ward and be like, 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.480 I don't I saw a deer coming, I knew it 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.480 was shot, I shot it. I didn't realize it was 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:13.720 this shot. And where the hell's the guy that shot it? 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.640 I think if you, if you really laid it out 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:22.040 and the in the game, Warden was quite convinced you're 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.679 telling the truth, there's a good chance and he probably 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.800 he probably would have done some asking around about who 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:30.720 had been plugging away at it and probably would not 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.800 have forced you to take it. If you're like like, 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:35.959 I don't know, here it comes. It's got four brand 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:40.400 new holes in it. I don't want it, but who 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:45.560 where is he? Yeah? I think if I would, I'd 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:50.159 shoot the deer, go up to it and realize how 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.280 shot up it was. If you, if I could get 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.600 a bunch of meat off, I'd probably just take the deer. 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:58.199 But if it was just demolished, what if it was 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:02.359 your only buck tag? Yeah, you had like another week 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:08.000 to hunt chester. I I mean, I'd love to shoot 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.080 a bigger buck, but it's just like meat. At least 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.560 at this point in my life, the meat is more 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.280 important than that. But in this case, you're not gonna 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.000 like the meat is gonna be all right shot up, 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:22.520 And if it was all shot up, I'd do exactly 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:24.840 what you guys are saying and called the called the 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:28.760 game warden. I've tagged two shot up animals are tagged 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.920 A shot up turkey with Yanni and we jumped it 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:34.439 out of brush pole and that couldn't fly and I 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:38.240 shot it tagged um full story. I think we're it 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.480 was like the last couple of minutes of our hunt. Uh. 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:43.560 And then I shot a cous deer on the show 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.960 one time they've been shot through the foot. She got 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:49.200 some yield off of that, though it's not wrong shot. 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:54.280 What's interesting is, uh, after I killed it, we're caught 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.320 it up and here comes the guy. We got to 0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:57.879 hit it a couple of days before in the foot 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.479 and still all the mountains looking for it. M hm. 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.000 In Arizona wasn't on that one. Do you give it 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:05.800 to him? No? He was totally cool about it, and 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:07.560 he didn't want, He just wanted. He was still up 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:09.760 looking for You want to know what happened? He was 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:15.840 happy to ship. I just like, is it like the 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:19.280 morally correct thing to do? Like? Are you morally obligated? Like? 0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.520 I don't know if that's would now now knowing? Would 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.400 I now know? I would just if I knew something 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.000 was messed up, I'd be like, let's they tell you 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.879 not the mess that I'm not gonna miss. You know, 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:36.000 I don't think you're morally obligated to do anything. The 0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.480 one area I think that, the one area where I 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.680 think that I used to practice civil disobedience is picking 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.080 up road kill stuff back when it was illegal. Yeah, 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.840 and mostly now it's like more every year, like more 0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.000 and more states make illegal. When it was illegal to 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:51.920 pick up road kill, I would picked up road kill. 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.439 I wouldn't even be discreet about it. And I was 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.320 looking forward to going down to court and being like, yes, 0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.760 your honor, there was a deer dead on the side 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:01.520 of the road that was gonna rob on the side 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.919 of the road, and I ate it. Guilty is charged? 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:07.600 Have you shot? And to see what actually happens to you? 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:11.919 Have you done the putting a wounded animal out and 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.879 tagged or untagged? Or one time going up one thirty 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:18.080 one one that was hit by a car. Yeah, yeah, 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.040 I was a young hotshot ELK. I had always had 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.960 a pistol in my car and just needed a reason 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.080 to just charged that side of a gun, and there 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:27.680 it was. I knew, I knew it was a reason 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:32.520 carrying out for ten years. Um, I think that that's 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.280 been that was the only time. Yeah, I don't. I 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.680 don't know that I'm gonna burn my tag in that situation. 0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:40.480 That's no, I'm not. I mean, you can, but it's 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:42.320 not like a thing. I don't feel like I have 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:44.639 to do it for this reason that like this animal 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.600 has to be put out of its misery. Um, I 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:49.280 don't know. For some reason, the older I get, I 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:52.280 don't believe in that quite as much anymore as I 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.639 used to. I think those animals are a lot tougher 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:57.800 than than than we think they are. And I think 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.520 we're there's a little bit of anthropop or snation that 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.840 goes on when we when we think, oh, let's put 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.320 it out of its misery. You don't know how well 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.679 that dear yesterday laying outside of the road, dude was 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.600 not getting any better. No, it's not. I'm not saying 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:12.879 it's gonna get any better. It's gonna we'll see here, 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.639 it's gonna get eaten by something. But here's the art. 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.720 Here's another wrinkle in this to consider. These are huge. 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:24.040 He'sawing about human caused, which I view like human part 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.880 of nature. I know. No, that's good point, that's good point. 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:32.120 But I mean it's the morally correct thing because that's 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.600 the one you saw. Like if you're out there hunting 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:38.520 in firearms season in Wisconsin, there is a she it 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.520 load of bounded deer running around in the woods. You 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.720 know what I mean. But just because it's the one 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:50.360 you saw it, you know what I mean, it's my 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:54.240 it's my belief that, like we talked about this a 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.600 long time yesterday I was talking without some folks. It's 0:28:56.640 --> 0:29:01.040 my belief that the wound loss on archery elk is 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:05.280 one to one. Everyone I know that archery hunts has 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:07.200 a story. Man, it's one to one I think for 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.600 every elk to dies and elkots wounded. So if you 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.280 imagine all those like you know, and so many of 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:17.080 those recover, it's kind of like, yeah, you see something 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:20.479 coming along, you don't know what it's gonna happen to it. 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.600 Here's a good one. I recently harvested a duck that 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.040 caused me some confusion. Yesterday I was out jumped shooting 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:31.320 some local creeks. This is really interesting. I had bag 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.960 three green heads. That's good, that's a good little jump shoot. 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.000 I had bag three green heads. And because the limit 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:43.280 is four mallards here in Skinny Chester, I could shoot 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.600 one more. As I walked along, a flock of three 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.640 erupted from the bank below me. I picked out the 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.040 one bird of the green head, and a white collar 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:54.280 pulled up and crunched it. Hadn't heard that before. Crunched 0:29:54.280 --> 0:30:00.360 it means you got it. Yeah. I had never heard 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:06.080 anybody used crunched in the place of got it, shot it, 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:11.120 folded it, folded it ever ever heard anybody's little aggressive 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:14.560 Just this is the first time right now, just imagining 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.040 bones shattering, which I don't think is the image that 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:18.560 you want. Well, I think a lot. I did some 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.520 waterfowl hunting last week, and sometimes when you do get 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.000 like a really good shot on one and they crumpled it, 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.280 they crumpled, which I could see. I could see that 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:30.600 that could you know you could flip that to crunch 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:35.480 pretty easy, kind of look like they get pillowed pillowed. 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:40.479 And when I was in college, I had to do 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.600 this thing. Did I tell you about this story? You'll 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.520 remember if I told you this, I found an academic 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.600 paper because you're you know, you're usually here, right. I 0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.280 found an academic paper where they took a room full 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:57.480 of women from a college who all knew each other, okay, 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.440 and they had like fifteen minutes to think of all 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:04.240 the words they could think of for male genitalia. I 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.640 don't remember that. And then they took the same number 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:11.400 I've heard it at least ten times you've heard us 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:16.320 for they Hey, look a hunter sitting over there, like 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:19.760 he wants to hear what they called. So, and they 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.880 took the same number of guys that they got, found 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.400 guys that all knew each other, and put them. It 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.560 was a linguist that did the research. So the women 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.280 all generated for fifteen minutes. Is free form generated his 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.520 main names they could think of for male genitalia. Then 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:37.080 you had a group of guys and they free form 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:40.040 generated as many names for male genitialia as they could 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:45.080 think of. And a stark difference in the stock like 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.600 a stark difference in the lists. The males had forty 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:59.680 figures like the commissioner, the Governor's terrible cojack like authority figures. 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.800 So the authority figures were coming from the men I'm 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:04.680 guessing yeah, yeah, for sure. And the female is just 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.000 like a wildly different list, you know, like like just 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:11.360 like very different point being. I think it'd be like, 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.520 thinking about this crunched, crunched, it would be interested to 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:20.400 go around the country just like for five minutes, give me, 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:25.880 you'd be like harvested, took right, somebould be like whacked 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:33.000 crunch goods. Just have a map and what are the 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:36.760 kind of terms? Need one for the gen z s? Yeah, 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:41.840 so the interesting research. So back to our duck hunter. 0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:44.920 I picked out the one bird of the green head 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:50.480 and white collar, pulled up and crunched it. Something seemed 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.280 off about the bird. I figured it was just a 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:57.600 juvenile drake, seeing as I had harvested two of those 0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:00.760 already that day Harvard. When I stripped down waited across 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:03.920 the creek, I was just saying, it's got some waiters. 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.440 When I stripped down and waited across the creek, I 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:11.040 found what was clearly a domestic duck. I have no 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.080 ethical dilemma about shooting a domestic duck. I was in 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.320 the heart of public land and escape Domestic breeds can 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.920 be quite damaging to the genetics of our wild mallards. 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.040 What I struggled with was whether or not it should 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:25.560 count towards my limit of mallards or my limit of 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:29.280 ducks at all. I understand that it's a descendant of 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.840 a mallard, but a feral dog is a descendant of 0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:33.760 a wolf. Should you then be required to put your 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.480 wolf permit on a feral dog? If you shot one? 0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.880 Last time I shot one, I didn't or say I 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:44.040 had my own domestic ducks. If I already shoot a 0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:45.880 limit of wild ducks, would that prevent me from being 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.560 able to butcher my own that day? He's you know, 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.160 he's making a point, right. I don't think he's He's right. 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:55.000 He's like asking, what are those hypothetical theoreticals? I don't know. Yeah, 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.040 he's just laying out an extreme possibility. I think. Um. 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:03.600 I I had a similar experience last year. My boy 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:10.400 got a duck, UM, a strange duck, and we you 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.280 speculated about what it was and more I did online research. 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:17.560 I had found a it was a Mallard Muscovie cross, 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:21.360 which even has a name. So then you're like, we 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.799 counted it towards the limit. I would think that in 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.640 this case, this individual, I would think that you might 0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:31.719 get cited, but when you went to court, you're not 0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:36.400 gonna get in trouble. You'd have to how do you 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.959 prove it's a domestic duck? Though, if if you cared 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.439 that much you get it, you'd get it tested. It says, 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:45.879 couldn't it be that that duck is just hatched out 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.560 from a hand that made it, a wild hand that 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:53.040 made it with ye you know, yeah, but you see 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.359 those crazy like ponds full of those crazy like not 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.840 quite mallards all the time. I mean it's one duck, Like, 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.200 why not just call it a day, right? Because he's 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.439 a curious person. I look at this all this job, 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.040 look at all of his like another one credentials, He 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.240 does have some credentials. Another one of those things. Another 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.680 one of those situations though, where it's just like if 0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.319 you really wanted to keep hunting, you just could call 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.239 up your authorities and kind of see what they think. 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.120 You know, yeah, I think they're gonna be. On the 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.000 other hand, what do you think you can't be called like, 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.680 you can't be every day calling you can't be every 0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:27.840 day calling the game ward and weird stuff to happen to. 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.920 But that does this stuff doesn't happen. That's what happened now. 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:37.799 But how often does this stuff? But you know I don't. 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.440 I feel like my local game Ward likes getting a 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:44.000 phone call from an inquisitive n Yeah, and I apologize 0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:45.759 him every time I do. He looks at that phone. 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:47.840 He's like, God, damn, it's every time I do it. 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:49.600 I'm like, hey, man, I hate to buggy this kind 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:54.880 of stuff. Man, but like, what if it's their job? Yeah, No, 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:59.879 he likes because he's like an intellectual. Um, I would 0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:02.759 have have hunting bonus nut. Here's what I would have done. 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.360 I'm telling this is why my better self would have 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:12.160 would have just my better self would have I'm bagged out. Uh, 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.760 I'm done hunting. But in the back of my mind 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:16.680 when I see a game Ward and I'm gonna say 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:18.279 to that game Ward, hey I got one for you, 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.319 and you're like, I'm not going to call him this 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:22.400 time and be like, hey, I got one for you. 0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:23.799 Here's the thing that had to me. What would have 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.919 been your attitude to that. I wouldn't have shot another one, 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:32.120 planning and arguing my way out of it. M He'd like, well, 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:33.879 you'd be like you get caught with me. Duch's like, well, 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:40.520 you'll notice it seems like that you want to clarify 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:46.879 first and then figure out right, yeah, the third time, 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:51.359 the third time you had three regular mallards and one, 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:57.479 uh bonus domestic mallard. He might start asking questions carry 0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.120 a little white out worth he or somebody just kind 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:10.480 of make him a little different. Here's one. This is 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:16.239 an ethical this is a strategy. We've talked about this too. 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.400 I know, okay, the subject line of the question is 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:25.160 um two pee or not to pee? Is that handler 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:31.279 Macbeth Hamlet Hamlet to pee or not to pee in 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.759 a tree stand? I know the subject line of this 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:35.319 email is a little weird, but it gets right to 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:37.480 my question. I hope it will help settle the years 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:41.200 long debate within the group I deer hunt with in Minnesota. 0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:44.319 When you're on stand for hours on end, should you 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:48.040 refrain from peeing in the woods New York stand or 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:54.040 doesn't really matter? He points out that he's uh searching 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.480 past articles on our website that's not on our website, 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:02.680 hasn't found anything. Point that out. We should point that 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.719 out the spencer. Growing up, honey, my dad taught me 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.040 to try to minimize your sent while hunting, and peeing 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:10.680 near where you're going to be hunting was a big 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:13.080 no no. I still follow this rule today, and I 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:17.120 have to go on stand, and and and if I 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.080 have to go a while on stand, I founded a 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.880 large Gatorade bottle of milky jos and he goes trucker 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:26.400 right into a Gatorade bottle. Other guys p at the 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:31.680 base of their elevated stands, please help me settle this debate. Oh, 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.200 come on. The best one, though, is that some guys 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:38.279 have a funnel with a garden hose that is then 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.280 dog into the ground at the base of the tree 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:46.799 to really hide that. Sorry, I've I've seen other elevated 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.120 stands that have a funnel in the corner of the 0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:51.879 stand attached to a garden hose that runs down into 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:56.440 the ground. I checked that for fetishists, man, After all 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.960 that house business we got into, I would check that 0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.759 holes for fetishist every time I went out there. Do 0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.279 you know what I mean? Make sure it's not someone 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:10.440 hiding the leaves. I think I'm pretty sure I know 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:14.719 guys that p on their scrapes that they make You 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.279 got buck man, If you're dog during Yeah, that's where 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:24.680 the buck is gonna be. Yeah, I like, I want 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.479 to like this seems like this seems like a real 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.399 Mark Canyon question, because you know, I could picture him 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:33.200 getting into it. But I've I've heard, I've like that, 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.439 I've heard like piss his pissed for the most part, 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.400 And there's some subtle differences, but it's kind of a 0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:40.440 volatile thing. And what you wind up with if you 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.879 wind up with like ammonia, right, And it doesn't really 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.440 matter when I I don't do a ton of when 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:48.839 I when I was young, I peed up when I 0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:50.600 used to hunt out a tree stand for white tails 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.319 all the time. I didn't pee out of it strategically. 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.560 I peeed out of it out of expediency because we 0:39:55.600 --> 0:40:01.239 didn't do anything properly according to like contemporary understanding of 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:06.120 like how to actually do everything you know, no, like 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.120 no send control or I just kind of the wheels 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:12.120 blowing the wrong way. That sucks. You just spent some 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.640 time in a tree stand in Wisconsin, pete a lot 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:20.560 right out of the tree and uh no no negative 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:25.440 and and and specifically paying attention to it, like within 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:29.880 an hour doze down wind and uh I feel like 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.240 I did a pretty good job. Like we had some company, 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.000 I think Cold Blue. Maybe somebody had shipped a big 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.000 box of stuff here. So I had some scent elimination 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.160 type stuff with me, and mostly I was spraying down 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:46.319 my uh first one or two uh sticks that I 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:50.319 was climbing on because a couple of years ago I 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.759 felt like, yeah, she came right as soon as her 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:56.319 nose got like parallel with that ladder. You know what 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:59.560 else happened this year? They did They actually went by 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:06.040 my stand, so they actually came from down one where 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.120 I didn't think they'd come, went by my stand, didn't 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.520 smell us. As Tyler and I up in the tree 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:15.200 together and I had a trail camera on a trail 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:17.200 the trail I was gonna try to kill these deer 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.960 on and I didn't like where it was, and so 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:23.960 I had moved it, yeah, with gloves on, moved it. 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:27.120 And they gotten that didn't like, got next to that 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.600 trail camera and just immediately like noses up in the 0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:33.520 air looking around, we'll not seeing it. And I was like, 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:36.759 what the hell's at No? No, no smelled my And 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:40.520 that camera has been there for a year now and 0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:42.919 I had just touched it and that tipped him off, 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:49.120 but he didn't no p away. I say, now are 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:55.160 you are you h dribbling her down the tree or 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.440 you you're shooting straight off because I'll dribble it down 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.200 the tree on purpose, so is not to make noise, 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:05.680 or I don't know why I shoot it. I shoot 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.480 it at the tree because you can make some noise 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:12.600 dry leaves. You know. I'm in the saddle these days, 0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.640 so it's I usually just kind of turn ninding and 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:19.719 just go. I've never archa. It's more fun that way, 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:21.799 try and keep it out. I think I was thinking 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:24.560 about I don't know noise and like just I don't know, 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.320 just like kind of it seems like on the tree 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.680 you'd leave a much larger like you gotta climb down 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:34.080 that too, which, as we know an hour later, it's 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.799 just ammonia. But if you're a fetisher, you might be 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:41.279 into that. Well that's not where my mind was, and 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.439 I feel like, yeah, I don't feel like I don't 0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:48.560 feel that I'm climbing back down through it. Well, I 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:50.200 don't know how many sides there a tree there are, 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:55.560 but there a lot of sides of a treat. Yeah 0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.239 it is, but you're bear hugging the tree? Is you 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.400 climbed down? Um, we're in the tree a lot of 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:06.640 times with a cinematographer, and so that's hard being Yeah, 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.919 so it's it's just nicer to turn turn your back 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:10.719 to him and pee away from the tree. Yeah, that's 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:14.799 awkward situation can be. Yeah, they just looked around the 0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.000 tree and you're like, I'm just dribbling down the tree 0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:20.160 trunk here, bud, don't don't worry about me. Sorry about 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:26.239 your boot. Okay, that's that. Oh okay, yeah, hold on 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.200 before it before we cap that off, I just need 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:35.319 to add that, in fact, our beloved kin has in 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:41.719 fact written on this. It's a article called human or 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.800 dear urine. Doesn't make a difference. This guy must not 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.279 be very good internet searches. Maybe maybe he didn't find this. 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.440 It might not be it might not be cataloged properly. 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.719 So here's what Canyon had to say, Mark Kenyon. All 0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.520 the research I've seen on this points to human yearine 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:01.640 being indistinguishable from deer or other critters after a very 0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:05.800 short period. So I just let it fly anytime anywhere. 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.480 I'm not once seen a dear spook from it. I 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.600 also pee and mock scrapes and have seen bucks immediately 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:19.279 start using them with no negative response. That says a 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:26.759 lot Clay. I've had mixed success. Pianout of stands that 0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:37.080 could be read at hundred ways. He peed down his bibbs. 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:41.920 I don't know, let's read down. Is that all I wrote? 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:46.319 End quote? I thought that's what you're getting at. That's 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:51.080 all you wrote that. No, I had this recently. Man 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:54.279 where I was there was I was interviewed for an 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:56.120 article recently, and it's like, I feel like if you're 0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.640 talking to a journalist, you could say you could say 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:04.000 I'd don't eat dear meat when I'm vomiting, right, and 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.239 you'd read the next day be like, I don't need 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:14.280 dear meat, says Ronella. Uh, I've had mixed success. Pean 0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:18.360 out of stands. I've seen dear spook and not spook. 0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:23.200 Supposedly after some period of time, the yeurine is indistinguishable 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:29.480 interesting the same word choice as kenyan from other mammal urine. However, 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.520 I do like peeing in scrapes after a morning hunt. 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.240 But if you plan to have deer within bow range 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:40.360 of your tree peeing out of the tree, see This 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.560 is screwing it up because now we should have read 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:47.960 his first as a dissenting view and then given like overwhelming, 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:52.160 But now we're leaving him with a seated out. Yeah, 0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:55.440 but he contradicts himself, like, how can pean in this 0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.120 scrape be good? But pean out of a tree is bad? 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:04.920 I don't understand, and I wish we hadn't even asked Clay. However, 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.560 I do like to read again play says, However, I 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:09.680 do like peean and scrapes after a morning hunt. But 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.040 you've planned to have deer within bow range. If your tree, 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.319 peean out of the tree isn't the best option, in 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:18.280 my opinion, then why in a scrap? To what I'm saying, 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.040 I think they'd be even tougher to get him in 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.160 bo range. If they like get in the scrape, why 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:26.080 wouldn't they like it next your tree? If Clay thinks 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:27.640 the way he thinks, for really, you know you ought 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.840 to do He ought to make a big p funnel, 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:36.560 p way out one way, pe way out the other way, 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:38.920 and leave a pe gap right at your tree. Maybe 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.879 maybe it's just something eats channeling oak or something. Don't 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:46.959 eat any oak and you'll be good jud that Jerry 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.839 klower line. But uh, when he was a kid date 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:57.840 so much boiled oak or their socks wouldn't stay up. Okay, 0:46:57.840 --> 0:46:59.480 here's what we want to do for here's what we 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:05.439 want to do to should takeet everybody rolling on. Um. 0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:10.440 We want to talk about impactful things from two and 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:17.719 how they may have changed your your perspective, change your 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:23.359 life course. Right, And it's important because that's why you live. 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.759 You live an introspective life. You try to make sense 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.840 out of stuff. So that was what everybody was tasked 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:37.680 to do. Who wants to start? It's a big task. Yeah, 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:40.520 I still haven't thought of mine. It was I can't 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:42.120 think of one. I mean, I got a bunch, but 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.359 I can't think of which one is the most impactful thing. 0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:46.840 I know what it should be, but I can't. It 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:52.279 wouldn't seem impactful to anybody. You should try us get 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.759 get the ball rolling because it's all the yeah, too 0:47:55.840 --> 0:48:00.000 much context. No no, no, no no. I'd be like saying, um, 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.879 it would be like saying, uh, that was the most 0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:06.000 important day of my life except when I got married 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:07.080 and had kids. You know what I mean? Where you 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:09.719 gotta right, you talk about a thing. Then people are like, yeah, 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:13.240 but what about whatever? Like when Chester goes he's gonna 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.880 do his big concert not having his kid, and then 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.399 people are gonna condemn him. I can tie him both 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:23.320 in there in a way. So who's going first? Brody? 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:27.680 Sure I can go first? Um, what happened to two 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:31.399 that you feel will change your course? Uh? Taking my 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:37.160 wife on her first successful hunt ever, she drew an. 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.160 We both threw antalope tags for out in the eastern 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:45.480 Montana and uh, playing a hunt for opening weekend of 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:50.040 antelope rifle season. Um, she'd been she's been hunting a 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:52.160 couple of times at four honest, almost put her on 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:54.600 a turkey a couple of years ago. But um, she 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.120 didn't really show any interest in hunting until we moved 0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:00.760 to Montana a few years ago and kind of slowly 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:03.560 took more interest in it. Why didn't you want to 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:05.400 hunt Colorado when you guys had all that hunting right 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:09.280 out of your door. I don't know, that's a good question. 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:12.360 Maybe it's all this, you know what I think it 0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:14.319 is what your kids are getting older and it's not 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:17.160 such a pain, and you ask anymore? Probably, Yeah, So 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:18.799 I think about it gives a chance to think about 0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:23.640 something else. Yeah, definitely, definitely um and over the uh, 0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:28.360 the pandemic. She took her Hunter's safety course because it 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:30.960 was something to do. You could do it online, you know, 0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:34.080 the whole thing. Anyway, she drew the tag, we both 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.600 drew antelope tags. We went out to eastern Montana, and 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.160 I was like nervous, man, Like, I did not like, 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.960 I don't get that way taking my kid hunting. I 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.920 have old I have friends who started hunting late in 0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:53.160 life that like, I didn't ever get nervous taking them, um, 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:57.440 because I knew, like if things went badly, I just 0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:01.040 had a feeling it's something she wouldn't never do again, 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.200 Like if she ended up having a horrible time or 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:08.160 wounded an animal and we didn't get it, it's very 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:11.520 that was very much like weighing on me, like putting 0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:15.520 things together in a way that everything went well, but 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:19.200 we know, I mean, neither of us knew up until 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:21.440 the moment she pulled the trigger. If she would even 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:25.160 pull the trigger, she might decide it's not something she 0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:29.680 wanted to do. Um. So anyway, we went out. We 0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.080 had a couple of stocks, like right off the bat 0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:35.120 at first light and I was kind of glad they 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:38.640 didn't work out, because you wanted to like get some 0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:42.000 experience in there. You don't to be like first toime 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:47.080 step off the road, boom, it's over. Then she'd be like, yeah, exactly. Um. 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.399 So we chased a bunch of antelope around for two 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:53.440 or three hours, got busted, you know, a couple of 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.920 times it didn't work out. And then late morning I 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.279 saw a little buck a dough in a fawn like 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.319 laying a it's the base of this little knob. They 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:05.920 were in the perfect spot to like come up behind 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.759 him on top of the hill and shoot down on 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:14.279 that little buck. Um. But man, I was like heart pounding, 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.160 like very worried about how it was going to go. 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:21.200 It was just the the ecotomy between like the husband 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:24.160 wife thing was different. Man. It was because you thought 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.880 you were afraid she's gonna cripple one up or miss one. 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.799 I wasn't so much worried about missing like that. I 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.640 think would be easier to get through than wounding one. Um. 0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:39.640 And you're like the whole time, you're acting like you 0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:42.320 would not act with a buddy, Like I'm not saying 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:45.880 like hurry up, don't you see him? Like, you know, 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:48.920 things you were doing that I was not. I was like, 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:56.120 I've been doing that, I know, but I was like exactly, yeah, 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.840 I I feel like I can't act like that. There's 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:02.360 like I can't make this into something like getting in 0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:04.799 a fight over the dishes at home, Like if I 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:09.200 start irritating her in a way like that, like this 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:12.839 is not going to be good. Um. So it ended 0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:15.680 up all working out. Like it's a short shot hundred 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:19.680 yards the animal he runs a little ways and tips 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.040 over and she was freaking out that because he ran 0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:26.200 he was wounded, But it all worked out. Um and 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.960 I and I don't know, man, the whole thing like 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:32.440 taught me maybe I should be acting like that around 0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:35.360 other people, not just my wife when I'm out hunting 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:39.319 with him, like be more patient. Kind of realized that 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:44.160 not everyone has the experience, not everyone can see the 0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.279 game that what you know what I mean, he's gonna 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:51.000 turn nice. That's not I'm not saying that there's still 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:54.880 start petting all dogs, like the whisper yelling is not 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:59.000 not gonna end. But it was definitely like maybe there's 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:02.479 something to that. Taking things a little slower, explaining things 0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:08.000 a little better, you know it goes a long way. Yeah, yeah, 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:11.400 people like that. See, yeah, because I find myself yelling. 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.360 I like yell at my kid about the need to 0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:18.839 be calm. But which is a contradiction. Think about if 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:21.920 it was Katie, you would not like, oh, dude, I'll 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:25.560 be walking on eggshells exactly. Oh yeah, well, oh my god. 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:28.520 I'd be like, yeah, it was well, you know, I 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:31.520 could see why you're doing it that way, but you know, 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.399 another way to look at it would be that you'd 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:38.080 walk quietly. Yeah, but you know now that I's only 0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:42.000 see your point. Yeah, I just thought, um, you know, 0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:45.520 and it was emotional for which I'm not saying it's 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:49.160 not emotional for me. But to see an adult in 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:53.279 their forties like their reaction to the their first ever 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:55.799 kill is a big game animal. It's an animal. It's 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.720 not a squirrel or even a turkey. You know, it's different, 0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:03.040 and uh, yeah, I think I'll take away a lot 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:06.600 of lessons from that. When I took my wife squirrel 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:08.880 hunting for the first time, she hit one in the ear, 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.680 and uh, they left a little blood trail and snow, 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.840 but we couldn't find it tore up. She thought it 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:21.400 was more binary, right, She thought, it's like it dies 0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:24.640 or it gets away. She didn't know about an ear shot. Yeah, 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:28.200 they're not shoulder. I I don't really know, but that 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.000 that that squirrel's gonna be fine in spite of the 0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:32.759 little drips of blood that it came off as a 0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:36.719 year but you like got him in the ear like earhole, No, 0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:39.520 like like pierced his ear. Oh I got you know, 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:44.399 not the ear hole like like like creased, it's ear 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:49.160 area pierced. I'm surprised that a little blood trail. Yeah 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:52.480 I didn't in the snow, you know, by my mom's place. 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:55.479 That gets me excited to go hunt. But I watched 0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:58.759 that squirrel for a long time, running up down, you know, 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:02.480 getting away. But yeah, increased him, increase a little melan. 0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:07.000 She felt horrible. Yeah, he'll be all right. Crunched him. 0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:10.640 So you can start being super nice everybody. No, no, 0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:13.040 she she got her first count out. Now I can. 0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:15.560 Now I can like act like I normally would. But no, 0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:19.280 it taught me a lot. Like you take for granted 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:22.480 the experience you have, you know, and you can't just 0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:27.240 act like you do with people. What exactly is the problem, 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:31.919 you know, what exactly is your problem. It was cool, 0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.440 it was good. Or another thing you'll do is you 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:39.120 get like really condescending. Not you one one will get 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:43.839 really condescending where you're like, okay, so tell me where 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:46.719 you're not getting it. Like, there's a deer in front 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:51.680 of us, right, do you see the deer? You know, different, 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:55.239 different approaches like that I find to be very helpful. Yeah, 0:55:55.360 --> 0:56:02.520 would you rather have me shoot the deer? Um? Yeah, 0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:05.720 that's good. It's nice. Totill go hunting with your wife. Yeah, 0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:08.480 I don't think it'll be something she's you know, she's 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:10.400 not gonna be out there filling four or five tags 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.680 a year. But if she does one big game hunt 0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:14.640 in a turkey hunt in the spring, that'd be great. 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:17.719 It will be good. I'm gonna be done hunting a 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:23.440 couple of years. Yeah, I'm just I mean, that's the 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:26.359 thing is, uh, you start getting those tags filled from 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:29.759 other people and all your time's taking up doing that. 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.440 My boy he got he got four big game animals. 0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:38.440 That's two more than I did. It's like I'm I'm 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:40.399 I'm wrapping her und Yeah. We pulled in a couple 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:43.120 of extra big game animals, a couple of turkeys. So 0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:45.400 imagine what not. You know, I'll pretty soon all have 0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:48.279 three hunters. I won't hut any more. No, you're gonna 0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:50.040 have to be nice. I don't know. You got pretty 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:53.680 lucky with James, and he seems to respond well to 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:56.560 your condescending technique, but the other two might not. Yeah, 0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:59.920 that's what I ask because Rosie's gonna be up. She's fired, 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:05.520 but she's fired off. Do you anticipate having to handle No, 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:07.640 I'm going to act totally different with her than her brother. 0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:12.439 That's what I wanted, way different. Yeah, I'm gonna act 0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:16.120 totally different. But she's she got a turkey last year, 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:19.280 didn't she killed two turkeys? But hunting big game. I'm 0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:22.280 gonna act different. I just know I will, because there's 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:25.000 just a dynamic. It's like trying not like I don't 0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:27.360 have the I don't have the dynamic of being that 0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:31.680 that like. I want her to go hunt like more 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:33.560 than I want my boy to go right, because I 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:36.040 want I don't want to fall prey like. I want 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:39.120 her to feel compelled to do it and not fall 0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:44.240 into this like boy girl. However, I just know that 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:47.400 I'll act different to her. Yeah, I just more. I 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.080 mean like I'm just flat out I'm more tolerant. I'm 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:53.640 more talent with her than I am. I mean, I like, 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:57.480 I act out my I've taken my dad's role and 0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:01.800 I've given my kid my role, and it just we're 0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:05.680 in the trap of we're in the father son trap. Yeah, 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:09.160 I do find that I with my daughter, I explained 0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:11.400 things a lot more than my dad did to me 0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:15.600 with my son who's hunting now, Like I feel like 0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:17.680 it was just like do this back in the old days, 0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:20.080 and you just did that. But now I find myself 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:28.760 saying why we're doing things, which is good hunter. So yeah, 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:33.920 this year was um my first time going past Tennessee 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:37.840 to hunt west. So. I grew up on the Chesspeake 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:42.840 Bay and so saltwater fishing Chesspeake Bay, outer banks hunting 0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:48.640 in Virginia, UM, North Carolina and Tennessee. So as soon 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.000 as I came on the mediator, you know, and so 0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:55.439 you got work, colleagues, friends, you know, getting tags kind 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:58.680 of get into that I had been putting in over 0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:03.320 the last couple of years, tags unsuccessful and successful. This 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:07.360 year I got success on a rifle tag for a 0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:12.640 problem horn. Now I started watching videos trying to get myself, 0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:15.960 you know, excited about it, and and I was, and 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:18.800 then instantly kind of turned into like, now, what hell 0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:20.840 am I going to do? I didn't want to bug 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:24.320 anybody in the office, you know, it was to what 0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:27.600 to do? So in August Um, I went with Hayden, 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:31.080 what would you not want to bug anybody out? Everybody? 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:33.720 That's why you work here? Yeah? Man, Well, I mean 0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:35.920 I just figured everybody's got you know, they've got their 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:37.960 own tags, they've got things going on, and the last 0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:41.240 thing they need is a hanger on or to you know, well, 0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:44.760 going forward after this event, yeah, I can't. You just 0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:47.720 wouldn't want to go hunting and have someone just yell 0:59:47.960 --> 0:59:51.840 condescending things into your ear while you have animals, So 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:57.000 you do realize we're hunting, right. That's that's how the 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:58.720 story kind of felt like it was getting to in 0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:02.880 a minute. Um. But yeah, in August Um Hayden drawn 1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:06.120 a archery tag prong horn. So that was like my 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:12.080 first you know, situational experience. I quickly realized after about 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:15.920 a day, who the hell is gonna you know, stock 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:18.640 a rocket ship in a flat field with a bow. 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.600 It just it seemed like it was impossible. So I 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:25.200 kind of knew that. Like that trip it was my 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:28.280 desk was like spotting on the scope and giving pep 1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:31.040 talks on blowing stalks. You got a buddy, You'll you'll 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:34.080 get the next one. It just takes one. Just it 1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:38.880 just takes one or twenty. Um. But yeah, like inside 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:41.400 of my head, I was kind of going and you 1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:45.200 got it made with this rifle tag. I mean not 1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:47.080 like in a cocky way, but just in a way 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.840 like all these all these program hornies can't get with. 1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:54.520 I just thought, well, I'm gonna tag out day one 1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:56.720 or two. I might as well go ahead and put 1:00:56.760 --> 1:01:00.640 Hayes Taxidermy into my phone. You know it's gonna be 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:03.600 you know, easy, It's gonna be a giant. Yeah. I 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:08.080 haven't gotten them yet, but exactly let me know, John. 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:12.640 But so come October, you know, two months later, that 1:01:12.760 --> 1:01:15.640 confidence level starts sinking a little bit, probably not unlike 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:18.960 when you felt confident going to the open up for 1:01:19.160 --> 1:01:22.480 trampled by turtles, and then come showtime, that nerves starts kicking. 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:28.600 So um, day one, Um, you know, I'm kind of 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:32.920 I'm in a local unit around here, which I kind 1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:36.800 of learned quickly that the prong horner going to be 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:39.680 mainly out towards the eastern side of the state, the 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:43.560 open country, in the open country. So I'm I'm kind 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:46.160 of basically day one hitting little B M A s 1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:50.000 and state state pieces. And I did see a small herd, 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:52.520 but they were so far on private and today we're 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:55.880 going to get to public anytime soon, and they didn't 1:01:55.920 --> 1:02:00.840 that day Day two and three, I didn't see anything. Now, 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:05.760 confidence levels dropping. I'm getting in my head time's ticking, 1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:10.040 like I've got so excited for this tag that you 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:13.800 know it's gonna be uh, let me flying back with 1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:17.840 tag suit call the text and there was back yeah, 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:25.240 trying to get your deposit back. So it was It 1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:28.240 made me think in my head, I'm like, you know, okay, 1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:30.760 a lesson learned here would have been studying the ship 1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:35.000 out of the units. No, what's got more access than 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:37.560 others and what holds you know, whatever you're hunting for. 1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:40.040 The only question I had when I read your story 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:43.720 earlier in the notes was right here, because I figured 1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:46.560 someone gave you advice on where to apply. You didn't 1:02:46.600 --> 1:02:49.800 just potentially pick this unit out of a hat and 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:52.680 apply right right, So I want to know who's to 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:55.160 blame who. After the podcast, I can go point my 1:02:55.200 --> 1:02:56.560 finger out and go why did you tell them? And 1:02:56.560 --> 1:02:59.680 go get there? I thought so. So I think that's 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:02.720 that's an important point though, because I think a lot 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:06.120 of people that are planning their first Western hunt they 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:09.919 may not do the kind of research like you might 1:03:09.960 --> 1:03:13.040 find a unit that's easy to draw for like whatever 1:03:14.000 --> 1:03:16.439 your antelope, there might be a reason why it's easy 1:03:16.520 --> 1:03:19.440 to draw. There's no public land, you know. Listen, I 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:23.480 did the exact same thing on a mountain range nearby here. 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:25.440 I won't name any and it was it was a 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:27.640 prong Horn tag too. It's like my first or second 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:30.439 year here and Dan Doty, the old producer of Meter 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:32.840 and I were like, look at this, it's like almost 1:03:33.680 --> 1:03:36.760 it's so close, and we got the tags, were like sweet, 1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:40.360 we're partying. And then we started driving around and literally 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:44.560 could not access a single piece of public land, not 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:47.600 a one. In the end, we ended up going down 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:50.200 a road that, judging by the map, it was pretty 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:54.480 much open, and got into one and shot to prong 1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:57.320 Horn box left and the next day we're like, oh, 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:59.200 that's right. To other people in the office. It also 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:01.320 apply to the same hack. We're like, let's come back here. 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:03.480 This is awesome. We got a spot. We get there 1:04:03.640 --> 1:04:07.280 locked gate, so I think we had got we had 1:04:07.320 --> 1:04:09.200 done a little bit of trespassing to get to you 1:04:09.240 --> 1:04:13.919 the state land, you know. Um. But anyways, so you're 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:16.960 not You're not alone in this. Yeah. Yeah, it's a 1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:21.920 common mistake, I think. So all through the first three days, Um, 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:24.920 you know, Garrett had Garrett long had texted me and 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:28.920 and I had a good relationship with Garrett and the 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:31.200 fact that he's probably who I dealt with the most 1:04:31.240 --> 1:04:34.720 over the last couple of years. So I tell him no, 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:38.680 no luck, no luck. Day four comes along and he's like, hey, 1:04:38.960 --> 1:04:44.720 I've got some permission on a private piece. Um. So 1:04:44.840 --> 1:04:47.840 my comfidence level starts to go back up. I'm like, okay, 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:50.919 off Garrett with me. You know, he'll he'll be good 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:57.240 to have their tax sermons back. Yeah, exactly. Um, but 1:04:57.360 --> 1:04:59.640 that's when I realized that I'm now I'm really letting 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:02.480 ship get in my head because now I see it. 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:05.600 Now I'm saying, Okay, this is actually gonna happen. I've 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:08.840 got caret here, who I naturally would feel completely comfortable with. 1:05:08.880 --> 1:05:11.960 But with this being my first tag, I felt the 1:05:12.000 --> 1:05:15.240 pressure of like, man, he's gone out of his way 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:20.640 to get the permission. I gotta get this done. Well, 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:23.920 I missed the first shot. I couldn't believe it. I 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:28.120 was just, you know, shook up. In this particular field 1:05:28.200 --> 1:05:35.560 is probably about two sixty seven seventy. That sounds a 1:05:35.600 --> 1:05:37.160 little bit like what he told me, is you walk 1:05:37.240 --> 1:05:39.280 back to the truck at golf term. You might not know, 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:41.920 but when you were bearing down on him, was it 1:05:42.080 --> 1:05:45.320 like were there nerves? Oh yeah, My breathing was out 1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:47.200 of control, of heart going through my chest, you know, 1:05:47.400 --> 1:05:50.800 just everything to build up of like this being the 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:53.320 first Western hunt, was all happening right there. Did he 1:05:53.360 --> 1:05:56.320 ask you what exactly was the problem? In a little 1:05:56.320 --> 1:06:00.880 bit he did. So I shot and there's this sort 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:05.120 of like um crested ridge that runs through like dissects 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:07.560 the center of this property. Well, they had taken off 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:12.480 off the backside and I couldn't see him, trenaline still pumping. 1:06:12.880 --> 1:06:17.080 All of a sudden, the buck must have turned and 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:19.280 comes right up to the ridge line about seventy five 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:23.320 yards from me. So now I'm a wreck. I'm trying 1:06:23.320 --> 1:06:27.080 to swing around I got bipod legs flailing everywhere, and 1:06:27.080 --> 1:06:29.840 I'm looking through a scope that because I'm just worried 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:33.240 that he's gonna bolt magnified way too much. Couldn't get 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:38.080 him in in the scope miss two. Now, I thought 1:06:38.120 --> 1:06:40.400 you couldn't get him to the sculpe just because you know, 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:42.480 it's so magnified, and I'm just trying to find him 1:06:42.520 --> 1:06:45.960 and locate him in that scope quickly. But I found him. 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:49.120 And yeah, well, how is the missing him related to 1:06:49.160 --> 1:06:51.040 not be able to find him? I don't know, just 1:06:51.160 --> 1:06:54.920 general flustered nous. Yeah, yeah, so because you didn't just 1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:58.720 shoot without finding them in there? No? No, no, Yeah, 1:06:59.240 --> 1:07:02.840 the wheels of calling off day way off. And I 1:07:02.920 --> 1:07:05.600 and I remember at this point, I'm not sure if 1:07:05.960 --> 1:07:09.320 if f bombs flew out or I think what happened 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:11.880 was I just kind of like pulled my head down 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:15.760 and stared at the dirt and I just said, hey, Garrett, 1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:19.640 can we not mention this to Steve? I haven't heard 1:07:19.720 --> 1:07:22.440 until now. Yeah, Well that's good. I know I can 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:25.480 count on him. But yeah, so on the way back 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:28.240 walk into the truck, he was like a buddy, how 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:34.000 was a big buck? He's like I said, how close 1:07:34.080 --> 1:07:36.520 was that? How close was he on this? Probably seventy 1:07:36.560 --> 1:07:40.120 you could have thrown a rock at him, you know. 1:07:40.120 --> 1:07:44.240 It just kind of ribbing me having fun. So day 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:48.560 four comes along and they're in the same exact spot. 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:52.120 So I'm like, all right, I remember where I screwed 1:07:52.160 --> 1:07:54.520 up on day three. I'm going to do this all 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:58.480 every but this time I'm further. I'm probably I'm on 1:07:58.480 --> 1:08:01.680 the other side of the property, eating over two ridges 1:08:01.680 --> 1:08:06.400 and neural on the ridge line. Do you check your rifle? Yeah? 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:10.800 All good? There. Um, we sat there for like twenty minutes. 1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:13.400 I thought, calm so I could rule out, you know, 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:17.160 and I can't. I can't explain it. I don't know 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:23.680 why m three and at this point now it's not 1:08:23.880 --> 1:08:27.679 I can't look at it and go that was because 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:30.320 I was flustered or whatever. I can't explain why it happened. 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:33.640 And I'm embarrassed, you know, I'm just like crushed. I 1:08:34.000 --> 1:08:38.400 just want to tucktail and walk off. Uh. But yeah, 1:08:38.439 --> 1:08:44.000 he's he's great at consoling. So final day and I'm 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:45.920 I'm a wreck, you know. I mean, I'm talked to 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:47.840 my wife that night on the phone and she's trying 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:50.160 to talk about the ledge. You'll be fine. I got 1:08:50.200 --> 1:08:52.320 one more day, and I'm thinking, you know how the 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:58.240 other daste went. The next day starts off horrible. I 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:00.519 got I haven't had a nose eat since I was 1:09:00.520 --> 1:09:03.559 a kid, and it was just pouring out of my nose. 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:06.559 Trying to get out of the house to go meet him, 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:09.759 I'm shoving cleanex in my nose, trying to lace my boots. 1:09:09.880 --> 1:09:13.280 Inexplicable nose bleep from the dryer, from dryer, so I 1:09:13.280 --> 1:09:18.320 guess it is applicable. Yeah, lace on my boots and 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:22.160 and and head off and I meet him and there 1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:26.040 they are again. You know, it's like, well, I don't 1:09:26.040 --> 1:09:29.960 think they were worried at that point. Yeah, some of 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:34.840 might shoot over here, but just sound just you're good, 1:09:34.880 --> 1:09:39.280 you're good. So, um, Garrett's there for a little bit 1:09:39.320 --> 1:09:40.840 and he's like, well, hey, buddy, I got a meeting 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:43.559 I to go go to. And I all right, it's cool. 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:46.880 I'm thinking you probably just can't stay seeming us the 1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:50.720 fourth time. So um, yeah, I'm there by myself and 1:09:50.720 --> 1:09:52.800 I'm seeing him on the ridge line, and like I said, 1:09:52.840 --> 1:09:56.120 the way that it crested, I'm trying to say, okay, well, 1:09:56.320 --> 1:09:59.400 if they come off my side, I'm good. But if 1:09:59.400 --> 1:10:00.920 they go off the back side, I've got to somehow 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:02.519 managed to get all the way around to out the 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:04.519 side of the property before they get off the line. 1:10:04.960 --> 1:10:08.920 Came off to my side. Long story short, crawled quickly 1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:12.840 into position, got in the corner, first shot perfect right 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:16.920 behind the shoulder. I think I was about two eight 1:10:17.120 --> 1:10:21.400 two ninety on that one. Maybe um good poke yeah, yeah, 1:10:21.520 --> 1:10:24.439 and you know, the rest of them took off and 1:10:24.479 --> 1:10:27.360 he just stood there for a second and then just dropped. 1:10:28.280 --> 1:10:30.720 Um and Garrett was there or not there, not there 1:10:30.760 --> 1:10:32.640 on that one, so said, I don't know if he 1:10:32.760 --> 1:10:35.160 met I got to leave in a minute, but he left, Yeah, 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:36.840 he had already left. So I was there a glass 1:10:36.840 --> 1:10:39.280 and I'm probably about an hour hour and a half. 1:10:39.600 --> 1:10:41.400 And as a matter of fact, it just texted me 1:10:41.479 --> 1:10:44.599 like maybe five minutes before he's like, hey see anything. 1:10:44.640 --> 1:10:46.880 I'm like, now they're still there not I think no, 1:10:47.000 --> 1:10:48.760 sooner did I kind of like look down for a 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:51.360 second look up. They had gotten up and started kind 1:10:51.360 --> 1:10:56.559 of walking to the line. Um. Yeah, so I made sure, 1:10:57.200 --> 1:11:01.320 uh you know that he was down in uh called 1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:03.479 my wife felt that was the right thing to do. First, 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:08.080 thank thanks for the pep talk. Quickly called Garrett because 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:11.759 I wanted to sort of redeem myself after those those days. 1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:14.439 He was excited and chucked it in the back of 1:11:14.479 --> 1:11:17.200 the rental vehicle, gutted it, and then chucked it in 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:19.640 the back of the rental vehicle. Learned that trying to 1:11:19.680 --> 1:11:24.120 take pictures when you're by yourself and setting timers on 1:11:24.200 --> 1:11:26.920 your phone to prop it up on your pack and 1:11:26.960 --> 1:11:30.400 try to get a picture sucks. Um, but yeah, toss 1:11:30.439 --> 1:11:33.920 it in the rental vehicle. Um, take it back to 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:37.920 Hayden's and started cutting ups quick as I could. Had 1:11:37.960 --> 1:11:40.680 to delay my flight an extra day, Yeah, because I 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:44.000 wanted to make sure I got it frozen. But um 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:47.320 but yeah, now I was. I was excited. Finally had 1:11:47.360 --> 1:11:51.960 to make that call to to John send it up there. Um, 1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:53.760 so John Hayes is gonna do it. What's he gonna 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:56.400 do it? He's gonna do it. Wasn't a shoulder mount, 1:11:56.479 --> 1:11:58.439 but it was like a shoulder mount. And normally I 1:11:58.479 --> 1:12:01.240 would do a free him or you know your amount, 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:04.560 but with this just being my first wed and I 1:12:04.600 --> 1:12:08.400 wanted to do something special. Um, so yeah, I was 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:14.240 very excited about that. And I'll quickly recap my second hunt. Um, 1:12:14.280 --> 1:12:16.120 I won't. I won't go as long into it. But 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:23.200 um I went to Nebraska probably sixteen days after that 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:28.800 to Jordan buds and um So, I took my wife 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:32.160 out there and we're out there for a week. And uh, 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:36.840 ironically the Nebraska episode for Meat Eater aired. Why I 1:12:36.920 --> 1:12:39.920 was there, um So there, I was sitting out in 1:12:39.920 --> 1:12:42.599 the exact same field that you guys were hunting, watching 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:45.479 it in her truck on her phone with her and 1:12:45.920 --> 1:12:50.439 I and listeners. I'm not blowing smoke because Steve sitting here, 1:12:50.479 --> 1:12:54.559 but your demeanor in that episode, just talking about like 1:12:54.600 --> 1:12:58.840 telling Jordan, hey, I'm having a great time, yeah, that 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:00.920 she's sweating it, and then telling her at the end 1:13:00.960 --> 1:13:03.960 you know what and about you know what and about that. 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:06.640 For me on this trip, it just it kind of 1:13:06.680 --> 1:13:08.720 just was like a turning point in my head, you know, 1:13:08.840 --> 1:13:12.200 just kind of resonated. Um So, I didn't feel that 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:16.240 like pressure that I had on the Pronghorn hunt. Um 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:20.200 had a good time, laugh the whole time last day 1:13:20.240 --> 1:13:23.880 buzzer Beater, last hour of my hunt before we had 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:28.799 to pack up, and had a rapid city. Um yeah, 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:32.479 beautiful buck starts coming up the river bed and this 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:37.080 was an archery tag and got to about forty yards 1:13:37.080 --> 1:13:45.880 and let it fly and perfect shot. Crunch. Yeah. So 1:13:46.200 --> 1:13:47.800 you sent me the prong horn, but you didn't send 1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:50.000 me that. I'll send it to you. Yeah, and it 1:13:50.040 --> 1:13:52.479 was great. It was great being there, um whether I 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:55.479 mean yeah, she as a matter of fact, she had 1:13:55.520 --> 1:13:58.960 seen that same bug. I didn't realize that when I 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:00.880 shot it that it was a buck, but she had 1:14:00.920 --> 1:14:03.320 sent me a picture and he was out of range 1:14:03.760 --> 1:14:07.120 on like the second day, and um, I was like, man, 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:11.280 I hope you get to see him again and show 1:14:11.320 --> 1:14:14.200 me the picture. Um so yeah, you along with Jordan. 1:14:14.240 --> 1:14:17.599 You didn't get in a fight with Jordan. No, she's 1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:23.040 she's she's great. Uh, I had my Um, I don't 1:14:23.080 --> 1:14:24.519 know if you'll be able to tell him this picture, 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:29.200 but see if you recognize Um, let me turn it 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:35.400 real quick. Did Garrett or Jordan's speak condescending words into 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:37.720 your ears as you were trying to shoot at these 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:41.160 animals by himself? Um, I was in a pop up 1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:45.439 blind actual Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's yeah, she said you 1:14:45.439 --> 1:14:47.720 recognize the buy no harness, I didn't look I was 1:14:47.720 --> 1:14:58.759 looking at the deer. So in the see if you 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:04.519 no the chairs, is that the one that from the thing? Yeah, 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:07.559 that's cool. Yeah, so it was kind of deemed up 1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:10.920 my good luck charm. That's great man. So that was 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:14.600 from the auction house? Yeah cool? Yeah, yeah, so no, 1:15:14.720 --> 1:15:19.560 it was. It was great and um, definitely and I 1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:21.639 don't really know how to practice it, but I think 1:15:21.680 --> 1:15:26.160 getting my big takeaway was like, yeah, you need to 1:15:26.160 --> 1:15:29.760 prep physically, but man mentally, it just seems like if 1:15:30.160 --> 1:15:31.800 you can let it get in your head and you can, 1:15:32.400 --> 1:15:36.519 you can nose dive quick. Um. I would like to 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:40.360 work on not having last eight kills before you have 1:15:40.479 --> 1:15:45.120 to take off because that's a little stressful. Yeah, keeping 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:50.280 your head right, yeah yeah. Yeah. So that was great. Excited, 1:15:50.560 --> 1:15:52.479 excited to be in this room with you guys sharing it. 1:15:52.600 --> 1:15:55.800 I mean, person I probably influenced me the most. And 1:15:56.800 --> 1:15:58.920 you know, it's kind of cool not being in here 1:15:58.920 --> 1:16:02.400 talking about an art project but actually talking about you know, 1:16:02.439 --> 1:16:05.760 speaking the same language. Did you guys talk about every week? Thanks? 1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:08.880 Man's good. That's great. You should definitely trying to work 1:16:08.920 --> 1:16:11.240 yourself into a hunt with Steve to get to experience 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:14.360 that what it's like to be, you know, constantly put down. 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:18.120 You want the wheels to fold off in the first 1:16:18.120 --> 1:16:22.240 thirty minutes. Yeah, yeah, you just you'll be forged by fire. 1:16:22.400 --> 1:16:24.960 That's right. Every hunt after that will be you weren't 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:27.320 talking about. Yeah, that's the that's the way to do it, 1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:29.240 so that you don't have you don't your wheels will 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:32.679 never fall off again. After one hunt with Steve, everything 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:36.160 you else will just seem like cakewalk. When people are 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:40.439 afraid of flying and they strapping into those planes. Maybe 1:16:40.479 --> 1:16:43.479 it's a guy girl thing, but but when Steve took 1:16:43.520 --> 1:16:46.000 me spear fishing, I didn't experience any of that. I 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:52.080 think he can't talk to you through the water. That's true. 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:54.240 He was trying to. He was trying to do things 1:16:54.240 --> 1:16:57.439 with bubbles, but getting the message is not like that. 1:16:57.479 --> 1:17:00.120 For me. It's only big game hunt well, score on. 1:17:01.720 --> 1:17:03.759 But yeah, for some reason, I don't get that feeling 1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:06.519 with spearfishing, because that's probably like frustrating the hell out 1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:08.200 of you. I couldn't even stay in the same place 1:17:08.680 --> 1:17:10.880 get that. I don't get that super like blood lust 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:12.600 like I get home where I just want someone to 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:25.800 get something bad. I've been spear fishing with Steve, and 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:31.080 it's been great speaking of that head headspace just like 1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:38.200 you're talking about. Has been like an incredible year. Some 1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:41.320 of the highlights were was actually spear fishing for me 1:17:41.439 --> 1:17:44.360 when I was in Hawaii and Louisiana kind of like 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:48.439 ground breaking moments where you can, like if you put 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:51.080 your head in your mind to anything you can you 1:17:51.120 --> 1:17:53.519 can make a lot happen if you calm your nerves 1:17:53.840 --> 1:17:57.559 and whatnot. From going from not being able to break 1:17:57.600 --> 1:18:02.960 the surface in Louisiana to like diving a decent amount. 1:18:03.000 --> 1:18:08.240 But anyways, that was a highlight and can interrupt real 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:12.280 quick on that thought. Greg Fonts early on when I 1:18:12.320 --> 1:18:15.920 started hanging out and explained to me that, um, if 1:18:15.920 --> 1:18:19.800 there's something wrong with you, spear fishing is where you'll 1:18:19.840 --> 1:18:26.639 find it, meaning like all there's no hiding from anything. Yeah, 1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:30.720 total like in a total health perspective, it'll find you, 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:35.679 like mentally, physically. Yeah. He's just like, if there's a problem, 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:40.920 it'll emerge. It emerged there, dude. That's interesting though, because 1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:46.639 after I learned how to dive a little bit, right, 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:51.559 I don't I felt very calm, very very calm, but 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:56.680 I just had to do something that was one of 1:18:56.720 --> 1:18:59.800 the hardest things I've ever done in my life, which 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:04.320 is open up for a band called Trampled by Turtles, 1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:08.880 which all of you guys probably already know. This story, 1:19:08.880 --> 1:19:13.000 long story short, Karin Hook got my number to Dave Sevenette, 1:19:13.040 --> 1:19:15.800 who is the lead singer for Trampled by Turtles. This 1:19:15.880 --> 1:19:20.200 was in July. This is my wife is pregnant. We're 1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:22.720 sitting on the couch and I get a text from 1:19:22.800 --> 1:19:28.479 Dave saying basically, do you want a gig? Do you 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:34.720 want to place? Pitch you to Dave? Just what do 1:19:34.720 --> 1:19:37.800 you think about my idea? So those guys actually used 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:41.280 the word gig. He used the word gig. Who reached 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:45.160 out to? Who Dave sent texted me with an idea? 1:19:45.560 --> 1:19:47.519 And he was like, what do you think about this? 1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:50.880 And you know, like should I ask him? And you know, 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:54.800 if yes, like should I? Can I have his contact information? 1:19:54.880 --> 1:19:58.280 And immediately I just thought it was the best idea 1:19:58.320 --> 1:20:01.439 I ever And that's all so that makes even better 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:04.160 they're searching you out. Yeah, it had seen like a 1:20:04.280 --> 1:20:07.599 video of Chester singing and he just thought he was 1:20:07.640 --> 1:20:14.000 really talented. Who told me? Dude? Anyways, like if people 1:20:14.200 --> 1:20:17.439 like I am not. I learned how to play guitar 1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:20.080 a couple of years ago and I picked it up 1:20:20.120 --> 1:20:21.880 and I was like, I want to learn how to 1:20:21.960 --> 1:20:25.840 play this for my wife at the wedding. And I learned, 1:20:25.880 --> 1:20:29.360 you know, the basic chords, and I took some online stuff, 1:20:29.560 --> 1:20:33.559 tried to take lessons, ended up playing the show. I 1:20:33.600 --> 1:20:38.400 would have never in a million years I thought I 1:20:38.439 --> 1:20:43.280 would be standing in front of like six people two 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:46.599 years later with a guitar in my hand trying to 1:20:46.640 --> 1:20:50.479 get through a set list. Like never in a million years. 1:20:50.960 --> 1:20:57.320 So you girls, get away, l Yeah, let's get out 1:20:57.320 --> 1:21:01.880 of here, Carl. It's getting crazy. So Dave texted me, 1:21:02.160 --> 1:21:04.600 and I'm sitting on the couch with my wife, like 1:21:04.680 --> 1:21:06.960 I said, we were pregnant, and he said, you want 1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:11.120 to open for it? She was? She was, she was pregnant. 1:21:11.800 --> 1:21:13.639 I don't know why I always say that, but yes, 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:17.880 I was not pregnant. It was my wife and uh, 1:21:18.120 --> 1:21:20.120 he said, do you want a gig December one? And 1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:22.519 it's July. And I thought about it, and she was 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:24.519 jumping up and down, saying you have to do it, 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:27.400 you have to do it. So I called Dave back 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:30.840 and I said, I think I'm gonna do it, but 1:21:30.920 --> 1:21:35.280 I really got to buckle down. So I just played 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:37.800 guitar as much as I could. I hadn't played in 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:41.000 front of anybody. I did a few sets at the 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:46.840 same restaurant in Bozeman twice, Bridget Brewing. They went okay, 1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:49.400 but then you're saying you played at Bridget Brewing again, 1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:52.519 but a different branches and different branch locations, so it 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:54.800 was like two shows. Yeah. They really helped me out, 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:59.960 you know. So I asked Carl to do this with me. 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:02.840 Carl Hansen, he worked with us, and he's, uh, he 1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:05.320 plays in some metal bands and things like that, and 1:22:05.400 --> 1:22:09.519 I just needed some help, you know, to help me 1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:11.759 along on this. So we got a sett list together 1:22:11.800 --> 1:22:15.519 and we practiced, um, I don't know, once a week, 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:20.439 starting in September maybe is when we started practicing with 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:24.919 Carl in the days are ticking down. And another element 1:22:25.000 --> 1:22:27.640 to this is we thought we were going to have 1:22:27.880 --> 1:22:32.920 our child this uh when was November nine, which would 1:22:32.960 --> 1:22:35.880 be ten days before this gig was actually supposed to 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:40.639 happen in Atlanta, Georgia. So I didn't really I've never 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:43.120 had a kid, and it hadn't really hit me of 1:22:43.400 --> 1:22:47.200 how hard that would have actually been if our first 1:22:47.280 --> 1:22:50.120 son was born on that date. He came four weeks 1:22:50.120 --> 1:22:54.400 early October nine, which is actually just like a blessing 1:22:54.400 --> 1:22:58.120 in disguise because I was able to help my wife 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:02.559 out with that first week or two, which is extremely challenging. Um, 1:23:02.600 --> 1:23:04.519 I was able to be at home. I was able 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:07.559 to practice more, which if I wasn't able to be 1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:09.559 at home, I don't know if I would have it 1:23:09.560 --> 1:23:12.960 would have been hard to to do pull this off. 1:23:13.000 --> 1:23:16.519 I think. So everything worked out, and here it is. 1:23:17.200 --> 1:23:20.360 We Carl and I flew down to Atlanta, Georgia with 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:23.120 I had two guitars and he had his bass a 1:23:23.160 --> 1:23:27.479 little tambourine on one foot and kick drum on his 1:23:27.560 --> 1:23:31.400 other foot. And uh, we show up at this this theater, 1:23:31.600 --> 1:23:34.599 the Buckhead Theater in Atlanta, and I walk in there 1:23:34.760 --> 1:23:39.080 and it's like full on rock star like green rooms, 1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:42.439 really nice. There's fog. You walk in and there's like 1:23:42.520 --> 1:23:45.000 fog rolling out of the door from the smoke machine. 1:23:45.520 --> 1:23:49.719 You know, we get badges, um the whole trample guys. 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:53.479 Are they like you stuff in the green room? No, 1:23:53.640 --> 1:23:56.280 I could have looking back, I could have asked for that, 1:23:56.320 --> 1:24:00.799 but they had put it in your rider contracted no mint, 1:24:01.320 --> 1:24:04.439 yes exactly. Now, I just asked for some light beer 1:24:04.560 --> 1:24:07.439 and water. Um. I could have asked for a little 1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:11.200 more annoying, but I didn't need much. So Carl and 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:14.160 I show up there and the Trampled guys are out 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:18.599 on stage doing sound check, and I walked out where 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:21.479 the crowd would be standing and it is like full on, 1:24:21.800 --> 1:24:26.400 just obviously a legit set up. They got like props 1:24:26.439 --> 1:24:29.439 and lights and the sound guys working his magic and 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:33.599 it's like bumping, like people are going to be able 1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:38.440 to hear me kind of thing. Things start to set in. Um, 1:24:38.520 --> 1:24:42.479 and we do sound check and I'm not nervous at all, 1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:47.720 and uh, we do sound check and it goes pretty well. 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:50.920 I was calm and and things were working out, and 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:54.439 you know, I was getting all amped and excited. We 1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:58.680 go back to the green room. Hours start taking by, 1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:02.760 people start showing up. You know, my hearts starting to 1:25:03.880 --> 1:25:06.120 kind of do this. My breathing is a little bit, 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:10.320 it's a little harder to breathe. I tuned my guitar. 1:25:10.560 --> 1:25:13.520 This is a moment when it really hit me. Backstage 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:17.519 and I walk out onto the stage and there's already 1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:20.760 a crowd out there, not a full room. But I 1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:24.759 walk out there and all of a sudden, I hear Chester. Yeah, 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:28.880 like whoa, there's like a vine of people in front 1:25:29.400 --> 1:25:33.600 just to see me. Like they showed up early obviously 1:25:33.720 --> 1:25:37.280 heard about it on the podcast and stuff. And it 1:25:37.320 --> 1:25:40.240 was great. Like I was like, hey, guys, like thanks, 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:46.799 But I get back, you know, in the green room, 1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:49.920 I'm just like, holy cow, here it goes, you know, 1:25:51.080 --> 1:25:54.320 And Carl's all jacked and give me a pep talk 1:25:54.360 --> 1:25:58.519 and whatnot. And I walk out on stage for the 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:02.240 first song and I don't know why I get like 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:06.320 this sometimes, but I am nervous. It makes me nervous 1:26:06.479 --> 1:26:09.240 a little bit thinking about it. But my leg was 1:26:09.320 --> 1:26:13.240 shaken a little bit. Um. I felt like I couldn't 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:16.479 feel my fingers, you know. And I felt like with 1:26:16.560 --> 1:26:21.560 Seth got Mercury Pois and call that yeah, right, that's 1:26:22.200 --> 1:26:24.720 I'm sure you just didn't have Yeah. I was like, 1:26:24.800 --> 1:26:29.920 did I tune them before anyways? Like that's not a 1:26:29.920 --> 1:26:36.280 good feeling, but especially when you gotta play with your hands. Yeah, 1:26:36.439 --> 1:26:39.000 And I got through the first song, and I'm saying 1:26:39.040 --> 1:26:40.760 I got through it. People will say I did great, 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:44.680 but I missed some notes and things like that. I 1:26:44.840 --> 1:26:48.120 sang it got through all all the lyrics and whatnot, 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:51.360 and uh, it was kind of a relief because then 1:26:51.400 --> 1:26:56.519 after that I introduced ourselves how we got there. The crowd, 1:26:56.600 --> 1:26:59.680 I can't thank them enough. It was They were absolutely 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:03.720 fantastic and it's a good thing that you know, we 1:27:03.840 --> 1:27:07.439 mentioned it. Steve mentioned it because if it was just 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:11.160 like a trampled by Turtles crowd, who knows, they might 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:16.000 not have been as as h That's one thing I noticed. 1:27:16.040 --> 1:27:18.000 I wasn't there, but I've watched a lot of the videos, 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:20.439 and the crowd was being super respectful and listening, and 1:27:20.439 --> 1:27:21.880 that's kind of a hit or miss thing in concerts. 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:23.400 But with the opening act they could just be on 1:27:23.439 --> 1:27:25.280 their phones and talking to their friends and everything, but 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:29.120 everyone was locked in. We fluffed, We fluffed the dickens 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:30.479 out of them on the show, though, I mean we 1:27:30.479 --> 1:27:33.000 were promoted it too, so we and everybody knew not 1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:36.080 to expect too much of you. Yeah, because you downplayed it. 1:27:37.520 --> 1:27:39.080 Jess was like, I'm gonna go down there and rock 1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:43.400 their world, you know, But no matter what you did, 1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:46.360 if Chester had gotten up there and it sucked, yeah, 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:48.400 they would have been on their phones. That's the world 1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:50.320 we live in today, and they would have been with 1:27:50.360 --> 1:27:52.840 their bodies. They would have gone to go get more 1:27:52.920 --> 1:27:58.519 beers or whatever. But but but I also think, well, well, 1:27:58.520 --> 1:28:01.160 a performer is more than is the work. It's just 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:03.880 as a very lovable person. So I feel like it 1:28:03.920 --> 1:28:08.360 would be harder to disrespect Chester than someone else. Yeah, 1:28:08.439 --> 1:28:13.360 most of those people didn't know Chester. Yeah, so I 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:17.519 mean they like you think that I'm saying. No, I'm 1:28:17.560 --> 1:28:19.360 not saying he didn't do a good job. I'm not 1:28:19.439 --> 1:28:23.920 saying good I'm saying he'd like he brings goodwill from 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:28.280 the world. I try, definitely try try and make that 1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:33.760 an effort. Um. But yeah, so I introduced ourselves and 1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:37.639 the crowd was like, like you said, very much so 1:28:37.760 --> 1:28:41.000 listening I made it. I mean I was like making 1:28:41.080 --> 1:28:45.679 eye contact with people, and um, did the show go perfect? 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:52.599 As an like an performer? No? Um, but I got 1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:56.040 done with every song everyone cheered. Did you feel like 1:28:56.040 --> 1:28:59.879 like as you progressed down the line, like he got looser, 1:29:00.000 --> 1:29:03.639 are more comfortable and it got easier as he went along? 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:08.160 Ye that shakin went away? Um, I was starting to 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:11.960 I was starting to smile, you know, Like I walked 1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:14.960 out there and I was like, yeah, a little still 1:29:15.000 --> 1:29:16.759 a little stiff, but you can tell like the crowd 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:19.040 was getting into it. Whoever. I think Steve had shared 1:29:19.080 --> 1:29:22.640 the video or somebody. You could see their head and 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:26.040 and Dave sent me as he was on stage, Dave 1:29:26.080 --> 1:29:27.800 sent me a text he was happy as hell and 1:29:27.840 --> 1:29:33.320 you had just gotten started. That's great, Dave. Dave was awesome. 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:37.479 I actually asked him. This was Carl's idea. He's like, 1:29:38.000 --> 1:29:39.960 what do you think about playing one of their songs? 1:29:39.960 --> 1:29:42.599 And I was like, huh. He's like, yeah, So we 1:29:42.720 --> 1:29:49.240 learned um one of their songs, It's and living buying 1:29:49.320 --> 1:29:52.280 how I choose. Ain't never been a gambler because I'm 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:56.120 always bound to lose. But we played that one up there, 1:29:56.520 --> 1:29:59.360 and uh, Dave was kind of like, all right, and 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:02.280 those guys are like, you're pretty baldy for opening up 1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:08.240 with one of our songs. But I'm really glad we did. No, 1:30:08.360 --> 1:30:11.040 I did it. Yeah, And I looked at their set 1:30:11.080 --> 1:30:13.559 list and he said I'd be We'd be honored. But 1:30:13.720 --> 1:30:16.880 you know, I could tell that the other band guys 1:30:16.880 --> 1:30:21.400 were like drop and just said done. But I'm really 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:23.880 happy that he let me do that because people knew 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:27.280 the words to that song and after they sang that, 1:30:27.479 --> 1:30:30.000 it definitely loosened me up and I was I think 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:31.920 I even said, like, all right, this is starting to 1:30:32.120 --> 1:30:37.160 actually be fun. I think I said that I'm anna, 1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:39.559 are you gonna get more? Have you got any more gigs? 1:30:41.840 --> 1:30:44.640 I have no more gigs. But what I what I 1:30:44.680 --> 1:30:49.040 did learn from this experience is that like if you 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:53.320 put your mind to something, you can almost do anything 1:30:53.760 --> 1:30:55.960 if you really put your mind to it and dig down. 1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:58.160 I mean, I had to deal with that little bit 1:30:58.200 --> 1:31:02.240 of anxiety, which I absolutely hate, and I knew I 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:05.680 was maybe gonna have that. But the more you do 1:31:05.760 --> 1:31:08.040 this stuff, I feel like the more relaxed I'll get. 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:13.400 And my goal now is two get good at guitar. 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:18.400 Like before, I kind of skipped a whole bunch of stuff, 1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:21.559 you know what I mean. But you you have to 1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:24.600 learn your craft before you get fancy UM and I 1:31:24.720 --> 1:31:27.720 kind of ended up trying to get fancy. I think 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:34.200 the quote is, um, learn to play guitar, then get sexy. Yes, 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:39.280 I think that was given to It was either given 1:31:39.360 --> 1:31:44.280 or came from someone from UM. Leonard skinnered if I'm 1:31:44.280 --> 1:31:48.960 not mistaken. But I like to quote a lot, so 1:31:50.320 --> 1:31:52.599 I'm going to do more gigs. I actually had a 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:55.599 great time and it was fun and there's so much 1:31:56.120 --> 1:32:01.120 room for improvement and so much like just playing that 1:32:01.160 --> 1:32:04.840 gig definitely helped me grow as a person um and 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:10.280 like focus on the task at hand, good practice. It's 1:32:10.320 --> 1:32:13.000 just I don't know, it's a great experience and I'm 1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:18.240 gonna now get good at guitar because you're already sexy. 1:32:18.880 --> 1:32:24.200 Yeah right. Uh do you feel that there's like a 1:32:24.680 --> 1:32:27.000 compromise or a deal to be made between fishing and 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:34.200 guitar playing? Who no, no, I'm gontai stay true deficient 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:37.479 for sure. It's just like twenty minutes a day of 1:32:37.560 --> 1:32:40.800 good practice. There's a difference between going and playing that 1:32:40.880 --> 1:32:43.400 same song over and over. But if you like focus 1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:47.720 on let's say, cross picking or flat picking and just 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:51.680 work on tech your picking technique for fifteen minutes a day, 1:32:52.200 --> 1:32:54.719 it's amazing. You want to be like Eddie van Halen. 1:32:55.800 --> 1:33:00.800 Doubt that, but definitely improvement, you know. And uh, all 1:33:00.800 --> 1:33:03.599 that said and done, Like appreciate my wife for being 1:33:03.720 --> 1:33:07.160 very supportive. And it's a real thing once you actually 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:09.479 have a child and being gone and like missing them. 1:33:09.520 --> 1:33:11.880 It's like very nice and relaxing to be back in 1:33:11.960 --> 1:33:16.000 Bozeman and hanging out with Oscar and Danielle for the holidays. 1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:18.040 So there's a lot of people in the world that 1:33:18.120 --> 1:33:21.599 don't do anything that requires any kind of discipline. After 1:33:21.640 --> 1:33:24.240 a certain point in life, you just fall in the 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:28.000 total automatic pilot. I feel like it's important no discipline. 1:33:28.080 --> 1:33:31.040 We got a lot of years left, all of us. 1:33:31.080 --> 1:33:34.960 Do you know, good for your brain to reading you're 1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:38.559 doing challenging stuff playing music because you fall into that, 1:33:38.640 --> 1:33:43.120 like the kind of metal space. Just watch one of 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:44.720 those shows and they get people on stuck out of 1:33:44.720 --> 1:33:48.400 ditches all night long and your your brain pass he 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:53.479 just goes down. Yeah, challenge yourself Chester, Do you feel 1:33:53.479 --> 1:33:57.000 like a different person in a way, like in terms 1:33:57.040 --> 1:34:02.479 of yourself identifying, Um, you know prior to guitar and 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:10.880 then now, um, I don't know about prior to the guitar. 1:34:11.200 --> 1:34:14.680 After this show, I feel a little bit like I 1:34:14.720 --> 1:34:16.439 got done with that show, and I went in the 1:34:16.439 --> 1:34:18.519 crowd to give my aunt and uncle hug and there 1:34:18.520 --> 1:34:22.640 are people coming up to me wanting pictures, saying I 1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:25.400 did a great job. Saying they love me, Eaters saying 1:34:25.400 --> 1:34:28.840 they love the podcast. And still in my mind, I'm like, 1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:33.599 I'm I'm just you know, I'm just chester Man. Like 1:34:35.240 --> 1:34:38.880 it's hard to you can legitimately use the word gig 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:41.479 now like you're you're in, you can say, you can 1:34:41.560 --> 1:34:44.479 say it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't feel different. 1:34:44.520 --> 1:34:50.120 I feel enlightened in a way. Yeah, you're still opportunity 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:54.920 to leave. Yes, that's the craziest thing. People like authenticity. 1:34:55.840 --> 1:35:00.640 You look at that ship paternity leave. Believe when I 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:03.479 heard he came up in the wrong time. But it's 1:35:03.560 --> 1:35:08.000 times changed. It's like I've had nine months a kid. 1:35:08.920 --> 1:35:11.080 I missed out on nine months of just like dicking 1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:14.360 around all day long by not having well. And that's 1:35:14.479 --> 1:35:16.680 that's here in the States. If you lived in Latvia 1:35:17.120 --> 1:35:19.760 and there will be, it's gonna be mandatory soon for 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:24.280 the dads to take off three months mandatory nine months 1:35:24.280 --> 1:35:30.000 of just doing nothing. Me nine months. No, what I'm saying, 1:35:30.000 --> 1:35:32.120 I had three kids. If I was, if I was 1:35:32.760 --> 1:35:36.240 coming up of age now, I would have enjoyed nine 1:35:36.400 --> 1:35:39.800 months of just whatever, have some more kids. But it's 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:47.920 too late now, why I mean, maybe not six months 1:35:49.080 --> 1:35:52.160 it's two months. I think it's two, not three. Well, 1:35:52.200 --> 1:35:55.160 I think you can. I'm not quite sure. I think 1:35:55.200 --> 1:35:57.000 you can maybe do three if you need it, but 1:35:57.160 --> 1:36:00.040 there might be some Well, when I found out about it, 1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:03.479 was perturbed what I did as I said, if it's 1:36:03.560 --> 1:36:06.160 three and three, I said, we should take one of 1:36:06.200 --> 1:36:07.839 them from the guys and give it to the girls. 1:36:08.080 --> 1:36:12.519 Make it to four. Yeah, I just don't see why 1:36:12.560 --> 1:36:14.640 they're off, like, it's just not the same thing. You 1:36:14.640 --> 1:36:17.559 didn't have a baby, Yeah, yeah, but you could be 1:36:17.600 --> 1:36:21.760 the one who's staying home taking care of the baby. 1:36:21.800 --> 1:36:25.599 Come on, and a child, A child is not just 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:30.200 raised by its mother. When I heard that it was 1:36:30.280 --> 1:36:32.960 three and three, I never followed up on it. I said, 1:36:33.000 --> 1:36:34.840 it shouldn't be three and three, be four and two. 1:36:35.280 --> 1:36:39.160 They should guys should give one of theirs up for 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:44.080 the girls. I agree. It is very very nice though, 1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:48.240 like being there for her, especially since it's our first kid, 1:36:48.560 --> 1:36:51.599 and learning how it all works and still being able 1:36:51.640 --> 1:36:53.840 to go do things on our own. I'm sure a 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:57.200 lot of time as nice that that female is out 1:36:57.200 --> 1:36:59.880 of her work, out of the workforce, and not participating 1:36:59.880 --> 1:37:03.160 in her career for then an extra two months longer 1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:05.600 than that male is they don't say you have to 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:09.479 take it. That's that's true. You don't take any that's true. 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:12.280 Let's move on. I'm excited to get back to work. 1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:16.320 I'm not a policy guy that I'm excited to get 1:37:16.320 --> 1:37:18.720 back to work. But I tried to figure out. I 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:20.920 try to figure out who said that quote, just because 1:37:20.960 --> 1:37:22.639 if you're good to know, because you like to say 1:37:22.640 --> 1:37:25.720 it and throw it around. I can't find it. But 1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:28.800 what this does tell me from doing this quick little 1:37:28.840 --> 1:37:31.559 Google search of putting that in there, is that playing 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:35.080 or even just holding a guitar makes you sexy. The 1:37:35.120 --> 1:37:41.200 top the top six articles are apparently the matter Apparently 1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:45.160 this matters. Holding a guitar makes you sexy? Sexy mf 1:37:45.840 --> 1:37:50.000 by Prince the Guitar's power of seduction. Men who play 1:37:50.080 --> 1:37:53.559 guitar are instantly more attractive. It goes on and on. 1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:55.080 Do you want me to tell you who told me 1:37:55.120 --> 1:37:58.720 that quote? There's a writer name look him up? Does 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:02.880 a writer named Paget Howell? M hmmm part of him? 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:09.160 I act your Southerner. So the writer Paget Powell told 1:38:09.160 --> 1:38:12.040 me that, and I think he was friendly with the 1:38:12.120 --> 1:38:17.960 Lenyard skinnerd Fellers. He told me that story so it 1:38:18.040 --> 1:38:21.920 might not be captured on the internet. Yeah, I think 1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:26.280 I got that from you, but I butchered the quote. Okay, 1:38:26.600 --> 1:38:30.599 you ready. I don't know. That's a tough one to follow, 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:36.479 but I'll give him my best for you guys. Um, well, 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:40.840 great year I had again, as I tend to have. 1:38:43.040 --> 1:38:45.559 I can't remember the last time I had a bad year. 1:38:45.760 --> 1:38:51.400 Because you're you're a half glass full exactly, You're nail 1:38:51.720 --> 1:38:55.960 your nail in the quotes today have class bowl, you 1:38:56.000 --> 1:39:01.000 only have half class always full. But I was born 1:39:01.040 --> 1:39:04.240 with a half glass. I was gonna recount in his Uh, 1:39:04.439 --> 1:39:09.000 who's my oldest daughter her first Latvian deer camp experience? 1:39:09.400 --> 1:39:12.880 And what I learned from that? And Uh, what's interesting 1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:15.720 about that is that I was just thinking as I 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:17.880 was gathering notes in my head, is that that is 1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:21.920 The story starts about a year earlier when I was 1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:24.599 back in Wisconsin for the rifle hunt after already being 1:39:24.640 --> 1:39:26.920 there for a week archery hunting, and I was texting 1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:28.519 with Steve and he's like, where are you? I said, 1:39:28.560 --> 1:39:32.640 I mean Wisconsin rifle deer hunting. He's like again, So yeah, 1:39:32.800 --> 1:39:34.400 he said, made sure to get to hunt a lot 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:39.080 without your kids. I'm like, yeah, well, I'm not sure. 1:39:39.280 --> 1:39:42.160 I don't think that's what I said. Well, okay, what 1:39:42.200 --> 1:39:45.040 did you say? I said, you get your kids with you. Okay, 1:39:45.439 --> 1:39:46.960 you got your kids with you, Which is kind of 1:39:47.280 --> 1:39:50.280 like you can say that same thing saying that you're 1:39:50.360 --> 1:39:53.320 hunting without your kids because you're at the Latvian family Camp. 1:39:56.080 --> 1:40:00.000 Uh are you're asking? So you thought that my kids 1:40:00.160 --> 1:40:02.240 would be with me? And I thought there was some 1:40:02.280 --> 1:40:08.120 talk of that, so well, I was talking at the 1:40:08.360 --> 1:40:10.320 at the time I was, and I was told you, 1:40:10.360 --> 1:40:12.280 I said, I don't know if it's a hundred percent 1:40:12.400 --> 1:40:16.320 cool to have females in this camp. It's always been 1:40:16.439 --> 1:40:19.879 a male camp. And the one instance I can remember 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:22.519 when a wife showed up it was and this was 1:40:22.600 --> 1:40:24.439 I was a long time ago. I was like, I 1:40:24.439 --> 1:40:27.840 remember there being some friction around this, and I later 1:40:28.160 --> 1:40:31.799 found out that it wasn't because she was a female. 1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:34.960 That she was there. Being a female is because there 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:38.920 are some other just drama amongst people like people like 1:40:39.040 --> 1:40:41.160 to do and that's what causes So I had nothing 1:40:41.400 --> 1:40:43.360 to do with her being But you read it one 1:40:43.360 --> 1:40:45.439 way at that, Yeah, sure, I was, you know, in 1:40:45.520 --> 1:40:48.920 my teens probably and uh so anyways, I asked if 1:40:48.920 --> 1:40:53.080 I could bring my oldest daughter that last year and 1:40:53.280 --> 1:40:56.200 everybody was like, yeah, for sure, bringer so it was 1:40:56.320 --> 1:41:01.479 unanimously supported. Yeah, totally. And uh at the time, I 1:41:01.520 --> 1:41:05.800 didn't think that I would have any sort of um, 1:41:05.840 --> 1:41:08.920 you know, apprehension about it, but I did once. It 1:41:09.000 --> 1:41:11.320 was like, as the trip was kind of coming up. 1:41:11.840 --> 1:41:14.559 You know, it's no different than taking your wife out 1:41:14.560 --> 1:41:17.520 on her first you know, hunter whatever, you start to 1:41:17.640 --> 1:41:21.080 get this apprehension of like you want everything to go right, 1:41:21.200 --> 1:41:24.439 you want the crew to accept who this new person 1:41:24.479 --> 1:41:26.960 that you're bringing in when you want Iena to be like, 1:41:27.000 --> 1:41:28.360 this is something I want to do the rest of 1:41:28.360 --> 1:41:31.599 my life. Yea, pent so you're trying to make it great, 1:41:31.760 --> 1:41:33.880 you know. So I bought like a thousand it was. 1:41:34.200 --> 1:41:37.400 Of course, it hasn't been cold in Wisconsin for the 1:41:37.439 --> 1:41:39.599 only day of rifle season since I don't know when, 1:41:40.000 --> 1:41:45.320 and the forecast is like highs of sixteen Like oh boy, 1:41:45.840 --> 1:41:50.040 so but like a thousand handwarmers, body warmers, told warmers. 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:52.280 My dad showed up with a blind had him get 1:41:52.520 --> 1:41:54.920 me one of the buddy heaters, and uh, I've never 1:41:54.960 --> 1:42:00.439 done that set up that works slick, so slick that iena. Um. 1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:03.000 We would get to the blind and get in there 1:42:03.160 --> 1:42:06.559 and get her pact full handwarmers and body warmers everywhere 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:09.439 and get the buddy heat or going. She was wearing 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:13.599 the first light sanctuary kit in like not even five minutes. 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:15.679 I'd look I'd be like, okay, cool, we're all setting. 1:42:15.720 --> 1:42:21.200 I'd look over and she's sleeping. I don't know how 1:42:21.240 --> 1:42:22.880 you could get so comfortable in one of those like 1:42:22.920 --> 1:42:25.560 folding camp chairs, but yeah, she's snuggled right in and 1:42:25.600 --> 1:42:28.240 there'd be a solid ninety minutes. I'm like, well, this 1:42:28.400 --> 1:42:30.800 is great. The wind's right, it's very quiet. If a 1:42:30.840 --> 1:42:35.080 deer comes by, we'll get a shot. Um. She didn't 1:42:35.080 --> 1:42:38.760 get to see any deer the first morning because when 1:42:38.800 --> 1:42:43.360 I'd see them, I'd be like, she'd be like, you know, 1:42:43.400 --> 1:42:47.320 she'd there'd been barely any movement, no, no, no dear coming, 1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:49.240 you know, and by the time she'd actually wake up, 1:42:49.320 --> 1:42:51.679 you know, open her eyes, you know, they'd be long gone. 1:42:51.880 --> 1:42:56.200 But she didn't get see any deer that day. Um. 1:42:56.280 --> 1:42:59.639 But it was great because the we only hunted two days, 1:42:59.680 --> 1:43:03.360 where there maybe two and a half days, and it 1:43:03.479 --> 1:43:07.599 was great to see, Like the way everybody took care 1:43:07.640 --> 1:43:10.599 of her, accepted her, you know, made her field part 1:43:10.600 --> 1:43:13.439 of the group. And the way that my daughter was 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:16.479 able to just at eleven roll into you know, a 1:43:16.520 --> 1:43:20.040 deer camp with I think we had twelve or thirteen 1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:23.120 this year. You know, most she knew a couple of people, 1:43:23.200 --> 1:43:26.120 my brother was there, my dad was there, but you know, 1:43:26.360 --> 1:43:29.280 a do ten people that she's never met before and 1:43:29.320 --> 1:43:32.440 just roll with the punches, you know, and be social 1:43:32.520 --> 1:43:37.880 and be comfortable and chit chat with everybody. Um. She 1:43:38.080 --> 1:43:42.160 enjoyed that part of it, the camaraderie as much as 1:43:42.680 --> 1:43:44.479 she did you know, being out in the woods with me, 1:43:44.760 --> 1:43:47.559 which was great to see, you know, and then go ahead, 1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:53.519 which is a big part of the Wisconsin deer culture exactly. Yeah. 1:43:53.600 --> 1:43:55.439 And that was gonna be a point I was gonna 1:43:55.479 --> 1:43:58.559 bring up too, is I realized this year, with having 1:43:58.600 --> 1:44:01.920 her there is how important that camp has been in 1:44:02.000 --> 1:44:04.840 my life and that experience, you know, and being able 1:44:04.840 --> 1:44:07.040 to go there not every year but off and on 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:10.920 for you know, coming on forty years. Um, it's a 1:44:10.920 --> 1:44:12.960 pretty special deal. And you and you realize how many 1:44:13.000 --> 1:44:16.080 people don't have that, you know, like how many people 1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:18.920 haven't never even been to like a real deer camp 1:44:19.000 --> 1:44:21.600 let alone for fifty years in a row, like some 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:23.600 of the people that you know go there have you know, 1:44:23.640 --> 1:44:25.679 I mean there's a real connection there. And I think 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:29.200 that you know, those bonds and friendships are in forms people, 1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:32.679 you know. I mean, it's certainly that camp is influence 1:44:32.720 --> 1:44:36.760 who I am, you know, as a as a person. Um, 1:44:36.840 --> 1:44:40.280 it was cool to have three generations of potelis Is 1:44:40.360 --> 1:44:42.760 in one camp, you know, something I didn't you know, 1:44:43.800 --> 1:44:46.360 think about beforehand, but then being there and seeing my 1:44:46.439 --> 1:44:49.360 dad and me and my daughter, you know in a picture, 1:44:49.400 --> 1:44:52.960 it was it was a cool thing to see. Um, 1:44:53.120 --> 1:44:59.479 so great great weekend overall. Um, I guess I don't 1:44:59.479 --> 1:45:02.639 think there's a one general takeaway or thing I'll learn 1:45:02.720 --> 1:45:05.960 from it, but things that I'm reminded of that I 1:45:06.080 --> 1:45:08.320 try to live this and but it's hard to always 1:45:08.320 --> 1:45:11.520 remember because, like you say, it's easy to go on autopilot. 1:45:11.600 --> 1:45:16.639 But you know, doing things that might make you feel 1:45:16.640 --> 1:45:21.559 nervous or difficult or whatever, it might be hard. If 1:45:21.600 --> 1:45:23.400 you just go and do them, you're gonna come out 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:27.000 either side, you know, a better person probably, you know, 1:45:27.160 --> 1:45:29.759 whether it's getting up and doing a show or taking 1:45:29.760 --> 1:45:32.400 your daughter into a you know, a camp full of 1:45:32.439 --> 1:45:34.320 men where for me personally, it would be a lot 1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:38.599 easier to go there without my kids hang out stress, 1:45:38.880 --> 1:45:41.320 you know, not have that stress there and just be 1:45:41.880 --> 1:45:45.240 doing the old guy thing and you know, drinking a 1:45:45.240 --> 1:45:47.920 few extra beers whatever it might be. This is the 1:45:47.960 --> 1:45:51.240 harder version, but then in hindsight, it's like definitely the 1:45:51.600 --> 1:45:57.120 best version. You know, it could be the ass they are, 1:45:57.200 --> 1:46:00.599 but that brings up like the other sort of you know, 1:46:00.680 --> 1:46:05.760 take away from it, and it's, uh, the reap what 1:46:05.920 --> 1:46:09.519 you So, it's like we've done you're experiencing it too. 1:46:09.600 --> 1:46:12.280 I think Matt is finally getting there where he's not 1:46:12.360 --> 1:46:15.160 so much of paying the butt. My girls have really 1:46:15.320 --> 1:46:17.840 grown out of that completely. Oh yeah, my kids are 1:46:17.840 --> 1:46:20.559 all rational now. It's fun. It's paying the butt. It's 1:46:20.560 --> 1:46:22.719 like paying the button. It's a lot of wet, muddy stuff, 1:46:23.840 --> 1:46:27.599 you know, but it's great. I mean, it's just there's 1:46:27.600 --> 1:46:32.200 no relax. There's no relax. Still isn't no relax. Rea, Well, 1:46:32.240 --> 1:46:34.360 I'm starting to like I'm starting to reap a little 1:46:34.360 --> 1:46:37.679 bit of relax and just get to enjoy their company 1:46:37.840 --> 1:46:41.280 and then enjoy and just see like all that time 1:46:41.280 --> 1:46:43.519 and effort that we put into which hasn't when you 1:46:43.600 --> 1:46:45.360 look back at now, when you're in the mix of it, 1:46:45.400 --> 1:46:47.400 you're like, oh my god, it's never gonna end. Now 1:46:47.439 --> 1:46:49.400 looking back on it, you wish you had more years 1:46:49.400 --> 1:46:52.400 doing it, because it's over and those ten years have 1:46:52.479 --> 1:46:55.160 flown by. You know that we put all this effort 1:46:55.160 --> 1:46:58.880 into it, and you've sort of now created these you know, 1:46:59.360 --> 1:47:02.840 not quite adult humans, but getting there, and uh, they 1:47:02.880 --> 1:47:05.000 are who they are, you know, and so it's it's 1:47:05.040 --> 1:47:08.320 it's cool to sit back and go, oh, yeah, it 1:47:08.400 --> 1:47:11.439 all it worked. You know. I'm glad we spent more 1:47:11.479 --> 1:47:15.000 time reading and less time on tablets. And I'm glad 1:47:15.040 --> 1:47:18.360 that we said no so many times and taught him 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:21.759 to be polite and taught them to talk to adults 1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:26.679 or whatever it might be, just general raising adults. Um. 1:47:26.720 --> 1:47:28.200 I heard a quote the other day, I can't remember 1:47:28.200 --> 1:47:30.200 who said it. She said, I never raised any kids, 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:33.960 I was raising adults. I like that, thinking you're not 1:47:34.040 --> 1:47:37.439 really raising kids, right. I think one of the and 1:47:37.479 --> 1:47:40.880 that thing, I think one of the best strategies I've had, 1:47:41.479 --> 1:47:43.280 like one of the things that we've done that that 1:47:43.400 --> 1:47:45.920 paid off. The best is I always make my kids 1:47:45.960 --> 1:47:51.240 go up and shake people's hands, introduced themselves. Always huge impact. 1:47:52.000 --> 1:47:55.000 That doesn't come naturally. No, it doesn't know they're going 1:47:55.080 --> 1:47:56.760 to be able to learn to go in and shake 1:47:56.840 --> 1:47:58.360 someone's hand and say what their name is and asking 1:47:58.400 --> 1:48:00.760 what their name is. Yeah, you know these not like 1:48:00.840 --> 1:48:02.880 it now, they just do it. Yeah, are they going 1:48:02.920 --> 1:48:05.719 to do yourself? No, I've been there plenty of times 1:48:05.840 --> 1:48:09.160 for that. When you do that with your kids, and uh, 1:48:09.200 --> 1:48:17.200 I feel nervous for the kids. You're I gotta go 1:48:17.240 --> 1:48:22.080 back for a set. You're still not like relaxing at all. No, No, 1:48:22.120 --> 1:48:25.360 with all three when they're all to gather, all three 1:48:25.360 --> 1:48:27.599 of them know, yes, well what day it was? Sunday? 1:48:27.640 --> 1:48:30.040 We got a good Christmas tree okay, and we did 1:48:30.120 --> 1:48:32.559 like I said, we did an extreme Christmas tree hunt. 1:48:33.160 --> 1:48:38.120 We saw trees never before seen by man, trophies trophy. However, 1:48:39.040 --> 1:48:44.759 I don't the gear management. I don't understand. Yeah, well yeah, 1:48:44.560 --> 1:48:50.040 I mean like this super slick hillside covered in powder 1:48:50.120 --> 1:48:54.240 snow and they're sliding down and we haven't started hunting 1:48:54.240 --> 1:48:56.960 trees yet. If you're like, you're not allowed to have 1:48:57.439 --> 1:49:01.160 while we're out now where this is gonna land. I 1:49:01.200 --> 1:49:02.880 know what it's gonna land. I know that one's gonna 1:49:02.880 --> 1:49:08.040 be crying because he's cold. Because he's cold and he 1:49:08.160 --> 1:49:10.960 got Michael. I just want to give him my gloves. 1:49:11.120 --> 1:49:13.439 Then I just want to know my hands are cold. 1:49:15.360 --> 1:49:18.080 You're supposed to bring extra hats and neckid you honest, 1:49:18.160 --> 1:49:21.240 I'm starting to get to the relaxation stage a little bit. Man, 1:49:21.920 --> 1:49:24.120 You'll get there, don't worry. I love it. There's nothing 1:49:24.160 --> 1:49:26.040 to rather do. It's the only time I don't feel 1:49:26.040 --> 1:49:30.400 guilty in my life because you're with your kids. Because 1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:32.120 I'm like, I'm doing all the things I'm supposed to do. 1:49:32.240 --> 1:49:34.000 I'm not wasting my life. I'm doing what I want 1:49:34.000 --> 1:49:36.000 to do, and then they're there, so I'm not being 1:49:36.040 --> 1:49:37.840 like a bad dad. It's the only time I'm happy. 1:49:39.400 --> 1:49:41.200 I was kind. I just want to drop one more 1:49:41.240 --> 1:49:45.040 thing because axcid of funny. I was over over analyzing 1:49:45.160 --> 1:49:48.080 the hunting because I was trying to get us success, 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:49.640 you know, and I wanted I had to, you know, 1:49:50.360 --> 1:49:55.200 see see a kill, and which brings up another thing 1:49:55.560 --> 1:49:58.080 with two because I'm like, well, you know, I'm only 1:49:58.120 --> 1:50:00.320 gonna shoot like a you know nice buck know, and 1:50:00.320 --> 1:50:01.720 should we shoot a deal or not? We can go 1:50:01.760 --> 1:50:04.760 back to Montana and shoot does And I hadn't really 1:50:04.800 --> 1:50:07.200 asked her, but on the last evening when we're like 1:50:07.240 --> 1:50:09.240 watching some deer run around in front of her, She's like, 1:50:09.520 --> 1:50:11.360 I'd be happy if you shot anything. And of course 1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:15.160 then I didn't have another opportunity, and so whatever. She 1:50:15.160 --> 1:50:18.200 she wasn't bummed out about it. But as we're hunting along, 1:50:18.240 --> 1:50:22.080 I'm trying to include her in the process. Where do 1:50:22.120 --> 1:50:23.719 you think we should go? Did you like that spot 1:50:23.760 --> 1:50:26.479 where we were yesterday morning? You know, the wind's doing this, 1:50:26.720 --> 1:50:28.680 the deer should be better at this. I'm just like, hey, 1:50:28.720 --> 1:50:31.479 do you have any input at all? Her answer every 1:50:31.479 --> 1:50:34.720 single time is there gonna be action there. Let's go 1:50:34.760 --> 1:50:41.160 where the action, don't I'm like, and it did hit me. 1:50:41.200 --> 1:50:44.280 I'm like, that's right, keep it simple, stupid, just like, 1:50:44.680 --> 1:50:47.040 go where the action is. And we did. We literally 1:50:47.040 --> 1:50:49.519 went to the spot where, even though someone had already 1:50:49.520 --> 1:50:51.960 shot a buck out of there, there was a bunch 1:50:52.000 --> 1:50:55.719 of tracks in that zone. People had seen deer in there, 1:50:56.040 --> 1:50:57.840 like the cameras had picked up a you know, a 1:50:57.840 --> 1:51:00.800 few pictures of deer, and we went there in old 1:51:01.080 --> 1:51:03.599 we got to watch two bucks fight and another one 1:51:04.479 --> 1:51:06.880 messing around, and they all chased one doll around for 1:51:07.080 --> 1:51:10.080 like thirty minutes. It's quite the wildlife encounter. You know 1:51:10.560 --> 1:51:15.639 what's good? Yeah, there you go. There's my uh advice 1:51:15.680 --> 1:51:19.599 or three go where the action is. Yeah, I like that, 1:51:19.760 --> 1:51:23.320 or be a good dad too. Here's here's my thing. 1:51:23.360 --> 1:51:25.479 It's not that monumental, but just as something that stays 1:51:25.520 --> 1:51:28.880 in my head early and let me back up, let 1:51:28.920 --> 1:51:32.200 me back up. In Michigan, I was I like to 1:51:32.200 --> 1:51:34.840 trap a whole bunch growing up, and um was real 1:51:34.880 --> 1:51:36.240 heavy duty and new I thought that's all I was 1:51:36.240 --> 1:51:39.800 gonna do for a living. And you were allowed to 1:51:39.840 --> 1:51:43.040 catch a bobcat and quite a ways, yeah, our drive 1:51:43.160 --> 1:51:44.920 had you had to go about an hour hour and 1:51:44.960 --> 1:51:49.360 a half north where you're allowed a bobcat, and um, 1:51:49.400 --> 1:51:53.920 I never did it because those Michigan bobcasts are not 1:51:54.000 --> 1:51:58.040 valuable at all. So like bobcats in the high like 1:51:58.120 --> 1:52:02.800 high planes bobcats or you know, great Basin bobcats they 1:52:02.880 --> 1:52:04.920 might be like five six hundred bucks, they're like fifteen 1:52:04.960 --> 1:52:07.000 dollars in Michigan. They don't have the white belly there's 1:52:07.240 --> 1:52:11.360 dingy um. So never could justify because I would just 1:52:11.360 --> 1:52:15.080 catch stuff to sell it and it wasn't valuable. One 1:52:15.120 --> 1:52:20.320 time though I was this most have been in ninety four. 1:52:20.760 --> 1:52:25.800 I think I would go up to Macosta County, a 1:52:25.880 --> 1:52:28.200 big rap is Michigan. We trapped beaver through the ice 1:52:28.560 --> 1:52:34.799 after everything froze up so late December January, trapped muskrats 1:52:34.800 --> 1:52:37.120 and beaver through the ice. And I was on this 1:52:37.160 --> 1:52:40.439 big marsh and there's all these beaver lodges, three or 1:52:40.479 --> 1:52:43.800 four beaver lodges through this big marsh in one day 1:52:45.600 --> 1:52:49.400 walking along where I had sets, and this bobcat had 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:53.680 walked from lodge to lodge like on our tracks. And 1:52:53.720 --> 1:52:55.560 I had laid a beaver down in the ice. And 1:52:55.840 --> 1:52:57.960 when something drowns, it will bleed out its nose a 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:00.559 little bit. I had laid a beaver around the ice, 1:53:00.680 --> 1:53:04.080 and it had left a little blood patch that bobcat 1:53:04.120 --> 1:53:08.040 had kind of like walked around smelling that blood patch. 1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:14.200 And uh, I thought from then on always about how 1:53:14.320 --> 1:53:16.080 like it just seemed mysterious. I was wanting to catch 1:53:16.120 --> 1:53:21.040 a bobcat. And then I promptly moved away, left left 1:53:21.040 --> 1:53:24.679 the area. Thought and thought, thought, about it, and last 1:53:24.760 --> 1:53:28.840 year right in January trying to think. No, I can't 1:53:28.840 --> 1:53:30.920 remember December January. Either way, it went out and spent 1:53:31.000 --> 1:53:36.479 a week trying to catch a bobcat for like seven days. 1:53:37.479 --> 1:53:42.320 I didn't catch one. Then last year in January, I 1:53:42.439 --> 1:53:49.680 caught one on accident in a Martin set. So he 1:53:49.760 --> 1:53:52.160 got caught one of my Martin boxes and I didn't 1:53:52.160 --> 1:53:54.720 know it. I get into my Martin box and the 1:53:54.800 --> 1:53:58.400 traps out, all kinds of branches are broken, and there's 1:53:58.520 --> 1:54:03.760 white fur in the trap, and am I try to think, 1:54:03.800 --> 1:54:04.840 what the hell would have done that, you know? And 1:54:04.880 --> 1:54:07.040 I thought maybe like a weasel and something to ate it. 1:54:07.080 --> 1:54:09.360 But there's no blood, there's no nothing, And I just 1:54:09.400 --> 1:54:11.760 wrote it off like a mystery you'll never solve. I 1:54:11.840 --> 1:54:13.800 go to the next Martin box fifty yards away in 1:54:13.840 --> 1:54:16.280 the area is dead and your door nill. He like 1:54:16.560 --> 1:54:19.960 crammed his hand his head, like he had to squeeze 1:54:20.000 --> 1:54:26.800 his head into that thing, gets caught. Um, how unsatisfying 1:54:27.160 --> 1:54:32.360 to catch him by accident. I'm glad, I was glad. 1:54:32.360 --> 1:54:34.080 I'm glad I got him. I got him registered. He's 1:54:34.080 --> 1:54:37.600 hanging to my office. But um, like the role of 1:54:37.720 --> 1:54:44.080 luck and intention man so unsatisfying. I didn't even kind 1:54:44.080 --> 1:54:52.800 of scratch the itch. Are you it's not getting the bobcat? Yeah, 1:54:53.400 --> 1:55:00.960 it's on whose terms you're you know what I mean? Yeah? Completely, 1:55:02.400 --> 1:55:04.000 you know, kind of like the same way you used 1:55:04.000 --> 1:55:06.760 to say, like getting a something that it's been collared, 1:55:07.040 --> 1:55:12.040 that somebody's already gotten it before on accident? Are you 1:55:12.040 --> 1:55:17.160 gonna get back at the bob yea? On purpose? It's 1:55:17.160 --> 1:55:19.960 like it never happened, but as it trap, I was glad. 1:55:20.040 --> 1:55:22.160 I was like, oh, you know, but no I wasn't. 1:55:22.200 --> 1:55:24.120 It was like it was honestly, it was the most 1:55:24.200 --> 1:55:27.360 mixed It was the most mixed emotion feeling. It was 1:55:27.400 --> 1:55:29.440 more like I was watching it happened to someone else. 1:55:30.080 --> 1:55:34.920 But as a trapper, I've been thinking about that all years. 1:55:35.880 --> 1:55:39.720 But as a trapper, you it's like bound happened that bycatch. 1:55:40.400 --> 1:55:42.160 But it's like there's certain things that I just was 1:55:42.360 --> 1:55:44.680 there's a thing I wanted to do and haven't done it, 1:55:44.720 --> 1:55:46.320 and then I did it on an accident. It just 1:55:46.400 --> 1:55:48.560 kills me. Chest A wold be kind of like if 1:55:48.560 --> 1:55:52.600 you're at fishing for perch nine ten inch perch and 1:55:52.880 --> 1:55:55.720 shipped into a ten pound walley Yeah, like you're doing 1:55:55.720 --> 1:55:57.640 the dumbest thing in the world, you're doing the least 1:55:57.680 --> 1:56:01.080 Walleye thing in the world, and you catch a state 1:56:01.120 --> 1:56:04.720 record Walleye and then don't you just experience that as 1:56:04.760 --> 1:56:08.160 a really nice surprise. I've been trying for a year. 1:56:09.280 --> 1:56:13.320 I still can't get there. When I walk I walk 1:56:13.360 --> 1:56:15.600 out of my office, I see that Bob Kat hanging there. 1:56:16.400 --> 1:56:18.240 You think at a point of just be glee. I 1:56:18.240 --> 1:56:21.680 see that Bob Kat hanging there, and I still stings me. 1:56:22.120 --> 1:56:26.040 A year later, I totally get that. That makes sense. Yeah, 1:56:26.640 --> 1:56:28.680 I'm glad I got it. I don't want it to 1:56:28.720 --> 1:56:32.240 go away. I'm glad I got it every single time 1:56:32.280 --> 1:56:36.360 I look at it. It's not a you know, it's 1:56:36.400 --> 1:56:41.560 like you know on accident Blind Squirrel to make you 1:56:41.640 --> 1:56:44.480 be like a suck at Bobcat track. No, it just 1:56:44.680 --> 1:56:47.080 it's like, um, yeah, but you know what, it gave 1:56:47.120 --> 1:56:50.200 you a good story, and you got a good story 1:56:50.240 --> 1:56:52.240 out of the deal. I feel like it's how people 1:56:52.240 --> 1:56:55.680 to inherit a lot of money feel when they look 1:56:55.720 --> 1:56:58.560 like if you made a lot of money through entrepreneurial 1:56:58.560 --> 1:57:01.560 ship and risk, you're looking at big fat bank account. 1:57:02.600 --> 1:57:05.280 You're probably like, hell, yeah you did that. But if 1:57:05.320 --> 1:57:07.480 you like, if you just got it like from your grandpa, 1:57:08.120 --> 1:57:10.400 you know, like generational, Well, yeah, you're probably looking at 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:12.920 any like and then you look at that. Yeah you 1:57:12.960 --> 1:57:15.960 don't look at it. You're not like yeah, yeah, you're 1:57:16.040 --> 1:57:19.520 like yeah, you know kind of felt I when you 1:57:19.560 --> 1:57:23.680 set that trap. Bobcats were the first thing from your mind, right, 1:57:24.040 --> 1:57:26.360 you know, I didn't think a bobcat could fit his head, right, 1:57:27.080 --> 1:57:28.560 So I get it. I don't think he thought he's 1:57:28.560 --> 1:57:30.280 gonna fit his head. And if you were playing like 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:32.320 a one on one golf game with Tiger Woods and 1:57:32.320 --> 1:57:34.160 it was neck and neck up until the end, and 1:57:34.200 --> 1:57:36.880 then Tiger was just swings and misses and lands on 1:57:36.920 --> 1:57:38.520 his ass and ships his pants, and you're like, oh, 1:57:38.520 --> 1:57:41.520 I guess I win. But like Tiger Woods probably shouldn't 1:57:41.520 --> 1:57:45.440 have fallen down or he had a stroke and you 1:57:45.480 --> 1:57:47.760 beat him. It's not a stroke like a stroke like 1:57:47.800 --> 1:57:49.800 a swing. Yeah, yeah, I got it. It's like you 1:57:49.800 --> 1:57:52.040 didn't sink the long puppet he three putted. Yeah. Yeah. 1:57:52.040 --> 1:57:53.520 It still kills me every time I look at him. 1:57:53.520 --> 1:57:56.320 I'm glad I got him. He's beautiful. Yeah, but it's 1:57:56.360 --> 1:57:58.720 not and I'm saying, we're doing a fundraiser dinner, and 1:57:58.720 --> 1:58:01.040 I'm gonna, um, We're doing in a fundraiser dinner, and 1:58:01.040 --> 1:58:04.360 I'm cooking that bobcat up I got was too little, 1:58:04.920 --> 1:58:09.520 two little legs and throws up. Ye had four safe. 1:58:10.920 --> 1:58:14.280 I did some gumbo with my bobcat. It was delicious, 1:58:14.760 --> 1:58:17.400 is it? That's another cool thing about bobcats, Like you 1:58:17.480 --> 1:58:20.040 catch kyo. You know, I've I've learned my lesson. I'm 1:58:20.040 --> 1:58:23.960 eating kyos. But bobcats people, people enjoy them. Oh yeah, 1:58:24.160 --> 1:58:28.240 they're tasty. Man, Gumbo sounds good right about now. There's 1:58:28.280 --> 1:58:29.840 the season. So I'm trying to take a word that 1:58:29.920 --> 1:58:36.440 leaves people confused. If you're going after something and it 1:58:36.480 --> 1:58:40.640 doesn't work out the way you plan, just keep on trucking. Yeah, 1:58:40.960 --> 1:58:44.800 be um, you know what it is. Don't take credit 1:58:44.840 --> 1:58:48.400 for something you didn't do. Take care of your daughter, 1:58:50.120 --> 1:58:52.640 but when lots of rock and roll, but when luck 1:58:52.720 --> 1:58:58.040 shines upon you. And if you take your wife hunt 1:58:58.040 --> 1:59:05.280 and don't freak out on her, it's m h. And 1:59:05.360 --> 1:59:07.480 make your kids always make your kids feel real awkward. 1:59:07.520 --> 1:59:10.480 Make him go, introduce them cells to people. Calm down, 1:59:10.680 --> 1:59:12.360 Calm down, out of the room to just make him 1:59:12.360 --> 1:59:15.200 come downstairs, just introduce them cells to someone. It'll pay off. 1:59:15.240 --> 1:59:18.240 I'm just it'll play off. I'm Steve. I'm just picturing 1:59:18.320 --> 1:59:21.920 Matt doing that though, like kind of like regretting. Like 1:59:22.160 --> 1:59:23.440 he gets in there, he gets it done. Man, he 1:59:23.440 --> 1:59:27.240 does a good job. Just fight two. Someone rings the 1:59:27.280 --> 1:59:29.400 doorbell one of the kids lives, run over where they 1:59:29.440 --> 1:59:31.680 can see, and I'll be watching from this, going to 1:59:31.720 --> 1:59:38.280 just stand there looking out. I'm like, well, now what happens? 1:59:40.720 --> 1:59:43.360 You go and bite them in, you know. It's kind 1:59:43.360 --> 1:59:51.920 of like the is this the Ranella household? No? Yeah, 1:59:51.960 --> 1:59:54.000 they race over and look at the person through the window. 1:59:56.720 --> 1:59:59.600 Happy New Year. I'm trying to think of one of 1:59:59.680 --> 2:00:01.880 legiti really like what I'm gonna do. As much as 2:00:01.880 --> 2:00:04.040 I hate resolutions, I'm trying to think what I'm legitimately 2:00:04.080 --> 2:00:08.640 gonna do. Catch a bob cat. I mean, like like 2:00:08.800 --> 2:00:11.440 in terms of personal behavior, I'm gonna trying not to 2:00:11.480 --> 2:00:15.160 freak out of my kids as much. Mm hmm. That's 2:00:15.200 --> 2:00:20.840 a good one. Every year, hard, hard, hard when you're 2:00:20.840 --> 2:00:22.880 trying to freak out on him as much. My dad 2:00:22.920 --> 2:00:24.280 freaked out him me all the time. It's like in 2:00:24.360 --> 2:00:28.560 my blood. It's gonna be a good year. It's gonna 2:00:28.600 --> 2:00:32.280 be a good year. Mm hmm. Make it a good year. 2:00:33.000 --> 2:00:36.640 There you go with Chester. Alright, but happy happy New year, ma'am. 2:00:37.360 --> 2:00:40.600 Don't take credit for something you didn't do. Thanks, but 2:00:40.720 --> 2:01:05.600 get a tanned Definitely get a be appreciative set