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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything presented by First, like creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear

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Speaker 1: for every hunt first like go farther, stay longer. All right,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Happy New Year. It

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Speaker 1: just doesn't feel like because it's not what do you mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not a long story. Listening on the second dude, it

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Speaker 1: it's not the new year. We're gonna talk about new

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Speaker 1: yourself because it's a new year mood. Dude, Like on Spotify,

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Speaker 1: oh one percent of fans? What what? Who am I? Who?

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Speaker 1: How many more? What percent am I listening to more of?

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Speaker 1: So you're so you're you're Spotify wrapped. Wasn't completely bungled

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Speaker 1: like one of the reasons I hate virality. This is

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Speaker 1: new holes in it. I don't want it, but who

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00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: where is he? Yeah? I think if I would, I'd

424
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: shoot the deer, go up to it and realize how

425
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: shot up it was. If you, if I could get

426
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of meat off, I'd probably just take the deer.

427
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: But if it was just demolished, what if it was

428
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: your only buck tag? Yeah, you had like another week

429
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: to hunt chester. I I mean, I'd love to shoot

430
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: a bigger buck, but it's just like meat. At least

431
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: at this point in my life, the meat is more

432
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: important than that. But in this case, you're not gonna

433
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: like the meat is gonna be all right shot up,

434
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: And if it was all shot up, I'd do exactly

435
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: what you guys are saying and called the called the

436
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: game warden. I've tagged two shot up animals are tagged

437
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: A shot up turkey with Yanni and we jumped it

438
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: out of brush pole and that couldn't fly and I

439
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: shot it tagged um full story. I think we're it

440
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: was like the last couple of minutes of our hunt. Uh.

441
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: And then I shot a cous deer on the show

442
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: one time they've been shot through the foot. She got

443
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: some yield off of that, though it's not wrong shot.

444
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: What's interesting is, uh, after I killed it, we're caught

445
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: it up and here comes the guy. We got to

446
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: hit it a couple of days before in the foot

447
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: and still all the mountains looking for it. M hm.

448
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: In Arizona wasn't on that one. Do you give it

449
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: to him? No? He was totally cool about it, and

450
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: he didn't want, He just wanted. He was still up

451
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: looking for You want to know what happened? He was

452
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: happy to ship. I just like, is it like the

453
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: morally correct thing to do? Like? Are you morally obligated? Like?

454
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's would now now knowing? Would

455
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: I now know? I would just if I knew something

456
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: was messed up, I'd be like, let's they tell you

457
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: not the mess that I'm not gonna miss. You know,

458
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't think you're morally obligated to do anything. The

459
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: one area I think that, the one area where I

460
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: think that I used to practice civil disobedience is picking

461
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: up road kill stuff back when it was illegal. Yeah,

462
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: and mostly now it's like more every year, like more

463
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: and more states make illegal. When it was illegal to

464
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: pick up road kill, I would picked up road kill.

465
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even be discreet about it. And I was

466
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: looking forward to going down to court and being like, yes,

467
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: your honor, there was a deer dead on the side

468
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: of the road that was gonna rob on the side

469
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: of the road, and I ate it. Guilty is charged?

470
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: Have you shot? And to see what actually happens to you?

471
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: Have you done the putting a wounded animal out and

472
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: tagged or untagged? Or one time going up one thirty

473
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: one one that was hit by a car. Yeah, yeah,

474
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: I was a young hotshot ELK. I had always had

475
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: a pistol in my car and just needed a reason

476
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: to just charged that side of a gun, and there

477
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: it was. I knew, I knew it was a reason

478
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: carrying out for ten years. Um, I think that that's

479
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: been that was the only time. Yeah, I don't. I

480
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: don't know that I'm gonna burn my tag in that situation.

481
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: That's no, I'm not. I mean, you can, but it's

482
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: not like a thing. I don't feel like I have

483
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: to do it for this reason that like this animal

484
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: has to be put out of its misery. Um, I

485
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: don't know. For some reason, the older I get, I

486
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: don't believe in that quite as much anymore as I

487
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: used to. I think those animals are a lot tougher

488
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: than than than we think they are. And I think

489
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: we're there's a little bit of anthropop or snation that

490
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: goes on when we when we think, oh, let's put

491
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: it out of its misery. You don't know how well

492
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: that dear yesterday laying outside of the road, dude was

493
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: not getting any better. No, it's not. I'm not saying

494
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: it's gonna get any better. It's gonna we'll see here,

495
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: it's gonna get eaten by something. But here's the art.

496
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: Here's another wrinkle in this to consider. These are huge.

497
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: He'sawing about human caused, which I view like human part

498
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: of nature. I know. No, that's good point, that's good point.

499
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: But I mean it's the morally correct thing because that's

500
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: the one you saw. Like if you're out there hunting

501
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: in firearms season in Wisconsin, there is a she it

502
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: load of bounded deer running around in the woods. You

503
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But just because it's the one

504
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: you saw it, you know what I mean, it's my

505
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: it's my belief that, like we talked about this a

506
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: long time yesterday I was talking without some folks. It's

507
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: my belief that the wound loss on archery elk is

508
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: one to one. Everyone I know that archery hunts has

509
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: a story. Man, it's one to one I think for

510
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: every elk to dies and elkots wounded. So if you

511
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: imagine all those like you know, and so many of

512
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: those recover, it's kind of like, yeah, you see something

513
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 1: coming along, you don't know what it's gonna happen to it.

514
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: Here's a good one. I recently harvested a duck that

515
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: caused me some confusion. Yesterday I was out jumped shooting

516
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: some local creeks. This is really interesting. I had bag

517
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: three green heads. That's good, that's a good little jump shoot.

518
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: I had bag three green heads. And because the limit

519
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: is four mallards here in Skinny Chester, I could shoot

520
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: one more. As I walked along, a flock of three

521
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: erupted from the bank below me. I picked out the

522
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: one bird of the green head, and a white collar

523
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: pulled up and crunched it. Hadn't heard that before. Crunched

524
00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: it means you got it. Yeah. I had never heard

525
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: anybody used crunched in the place of got it, shot it,

526
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: folded it, folded it ever ever heard anybody's little aggressive

527
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: Just this is the first time right now, just imagining

528
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: bones shattering, which I don't think is the image that

529
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: you want. Well, I think a lot. I did some

530
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: waterfowl hunting last week, and sometimes when you do get

531
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: like a really good shot on one and they crumpled it,

532
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: they crumpled, which I could see. I could see that

533
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: that could you know you could flip that to crunch

534
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: pretty easy, kind of look like they get pillowed pillowed.

535
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: And when I was in college, I had to do

536
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: this thing. Did I tell you about this story? You'll

537
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: remember if I told you this, I found an academic

538
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: paper because you're you know, you're usually here, right. I

539
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: found an academic paper where they took a room full

540
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: of women from a college who all knew each other, okay,

541
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: and they had like fifteen minutes to think of all

542
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: the words they could think of for male genitalia. I

543
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: don't remember that. And then they took the same number

544
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: I've heard it at least ten times you've heard us

545
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: for they Hey, look a hunter sitting over there, like

546
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: he wants to hear what they called. So, and they

547
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: took the same number of guys that they got, found

548
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: guys that all knew each other, and put them. It

549
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: was a linguist that did the research. So the women

550
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: all generated for fifteen minutes. Is free form generated his

551
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: main names they could think of for male genitalia. Then

552
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: you had a group of guys and they free form

553
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: generated as many names for male genitialia as they could

554
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: think of. And a stark difference in the stock like

555
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: a stark difference in the lists. The males had forty

556
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: figures like the commissioner, the Governor's terrible cojack like authority figures.

557
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: So the authority figures were coming from the men I'm

558
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: guessing yeah, yeah, for sure. And the female is just

559
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: like a wildly different list, you know, like like just

560
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: like very different point being. I think it'd be like,

561
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: thinking about this crunched, crunched, it would be interested to

562
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: go around the country just like for five minutes, give me,

563
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: you'd be like harvested, took right, somebould be like whacked

564
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: crunch goods. Just have a map and what are the

565
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: kind of terms? Need one for the gen z s? Yeah,

566
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: so the interesting research. So back to our duck hunter.

567
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: I picked out the one bird of the green head

568
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: and white collar, pulled up and crunched it. Something seemed

569
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: off about the bird. I figured it was just a

570
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: juvenile drake, seeing as I had harvested two of those

571
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: already that day Harvard. When I stripped down waited across

572
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: the creek, I was just saying, it's got some waiters.

573
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: When I stripped down and waited across the creek, I

574
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: found what was clearly a domestic duck. I have no

575
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: ethical dilemma about shooting a domestic duck. I was in

576
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: the heart of public land and escape Domestic breeds can

577
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: be quite damaging to the genetics of our wild mallards.

578
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: What I struggled with was whether or not it should

579
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: count towards my limit of mallards or my limit of

580
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: ducks at all. I understand that it's a descendant of

581
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: a mallard, but a feral dog is a descendant of

582
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: a wolf. Should you then be required to put your

583
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: wolf permit on a feral dog? If you shot one?

584
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Last time I shot one, I didn't or say I

585
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: had my own domestic ducks. If I already shoot a

586
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: limit of wild ducks, would that prevent me from being

587
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: able to butcher my own that day? He's you know,

588
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: he's making a point, right. I don't think he's He's right.

589
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: He's like asking, what are those hypothetical theoreticals? I don't know. Yeah,

590
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: he's just laying out an extreme possibility. I think. Um.

591
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: I I had a similar experience last year. My boy

592
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: got a duck, UM, a strange duck, and we you

593
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: speculated about what it was and more I did online research.

594
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: I had found a it was a Mallard Muscovie cross,

595
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: which even has a name. So then you're like, we

596
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: counted it towards the limit. I would think that in

597
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: this case, this individual, I would think that you might

598
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: get cited, but when you went to court, you're not

599
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble. You'd have to how do you

600
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 1: prove it's a domestic duck? Though, if if you cared

601
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: that much you get it, you'd get it tested. It says,

602
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: couldn't it be that that duck is just hatched out

603
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: from a hand that made it, a wild hand that

604
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: made it with ye you know, yeah, but you see

605
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: those crazy like ponds full of those crazy like not

606
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: quite mallards all the time. I mean it's one duck, Like,

607
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: why not just call it a day, right? Because he's

608
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: a curious person. I look at this all this job,

609
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: look at all of his like another one credentials, He

610
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: does have some credentials. Another one of those things. Another

611
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: one of those situations though, where it's just like if

612
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: you really wanted to keep hunting, you just could call

613
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: up your authorities and kind of see what they think.

614
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think they're gonna be. On the

615
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: other hand, what do you think you can't be called like,

616
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: you can't be every day calling you can't be every

617
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: day calling the game ward and weird stuff to happen to.

618
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: But that does this stuff doesn't happen. That's what happened now.

619
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: But how often does this stuff? But you know I don't.

620
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: I feel like my local game Ward likes getting a

621
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: phone call from an inquisitive n Yeah, and I apologize

622
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: him every time I do. He looks at that phone.

623
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: He's like, God, damn, it's every time I do it.

624
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, man, I hate to buggy this kind

625
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: of stuff. Man, but like, what if it's their job? Yeah, No,

626
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: he likes because he's like an intellectual. Um, I would

627
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: have have hunting bonus nut. Here's what I would have done.

628
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm telling this is why my better self would have

629
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: would have just my better self would have I'm bagged out. Uh,

630
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm done hunting. But in the back of my mind

631
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: when I see a game Ward and I'm gonna say

632
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: to that game Ward, hey I got one for you,

633
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm not going to call him this

634
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: time and be like, hey, I got one for you.

635
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that had to me. What would have

636
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: been your attitude to that. I wouldn't have shot another one,

637
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: planning and arguing my way out of it. M He'd like, well,

638
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: you'd be like you get caught with me. Duch's like, well,

639
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: you'll notice it seems like that you want to clarify

640
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: first and then figure out right, yeah, the third time,

641
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: the third time you had three regular mallards and one,

642
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 1: uh bonus domestic mallard. He might start asking questions carry

643
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: a little white out worth he or somebody just kind

644
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: of make him a little different. Here's one. This is

645
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: an ethical this is a strategy. We've talked about this too.

646
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: I know, okay, the subject line of the question is

647
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: um two pee or not to pee? Is that handler

648
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: Macbeth Hamlet Hamlet to pee or not to pee in

649
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: a tree stand? I know the subject line of this

650
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: email is a little weird, but it gets right to

651
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: my question. I hope it will help settle the years

652
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: long debate within the group I deer hunt with in Minnesota.

653
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: When you're on stand for hours on end, should you

654
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: refrain from peeing in the woods New York stand or

655
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter? He points out that he's uh searching

656
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: past articles on our website that's not on our website,

657
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: hasn't found anything. Point that out. We should point that

658
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: out the spencer. Growing up, honey, my dad taught me

659
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: to try to minimize your sent while hunting, and peeing

660
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: near where you're going to be hunting was a big

661
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: no no. I still follow this rule today, and I

662
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: have to go on stand, and and and if I

663
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: have to go a while on stand, I founded a

664
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: large Gatorade bottle of milky jos and he goes trucker

665
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: right into a Gatorade bottle. Other guys p at the

666
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: base of their elevated stands, please help me settle this debate. Oh,

667
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: come on. The best one, though, is that some guys

668
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: have a funnel with a garden hose that is then

669
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: dog into the ground at the base of the tree

670
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: to really hide that. Sorry, I've I've seen other elevated

671
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: stands that have a funnel in the corner of the

672
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: stand attached to a garden hose that runs down into

673
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: the ground. I checked that for fetishists, man, After all

674
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: that house business we got into, I would check that

675
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: holes for fetishist every time I went out there. Do

676
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Make sure it's not someone

677
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: hiding the leaves. I think I'm pretty sure I know

678
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: guys that p on their scrapes that they make You

679
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: got buck man, If you're dog during Yeah, that's where

680
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: the buck is gonna be. Yeah, I like, I want

681
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 1: to like this seems like this seems like a real

682
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: Mark Canyon question, because you know, I could picture him

683
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: getting into it. But I've I've heard, I've like that,

684
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: I've heard like piss his pissed for the most part,

685
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: And there's some subtle differences, but it's kind of a

686
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: volatile thing. And what you wind up with if you

687
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: wind up with like ammonia, right, And it doesn't really

688
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: matter when I I don't do a ton of when

689
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: I when I was young, I peed up when I

690
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: used to hunt out a tree stand for white tails

691
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: all the time. I didn't pee out of it strategically.

692
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: I peeed out of it out of expediency because we

693
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: didn't do anything properly according to like contemporary understanding of

694
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: like how to actually do everything you know, no, like

695
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: no send control or I just kind of the wheels

696
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: blowing the wrong way. That sucks. You just spent some

697
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: time in a tree stand in Wisconsin, pete a lot

698
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: right out of the tree and uh no no negative

699
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: and and and specifically paying attention to it, like within

700
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: an hour doze down wind and uh I feel like

701
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: I did a pretty good job. Like we had some company,

702
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: I think Cold Blue. Maybe somebody had shipped a big

703
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: box of stuff here. So I had some scent elimination

704
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: type stuff with me, and mostly I was spraying down

705
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: my uh first one or two uh sticks that I

706
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: was climbing on because a couple of years ago I

707
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: felt like, yeah, she came right as soon as her

708
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: nose got like parallel with that ladder. You know what

709
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: else happened this year? They did They actually went by

710
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: my stand, so they actually came from down one where

711
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: I didn't think they'd come, went by my stand, didn't

712
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: smell us. As Tyler and I up in the tree

713
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: together and I had a trail camera on a trail

714
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: the trail I was gonna try to kill these deer

715
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: on and I didn't like where it was, and so

716
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: I had moved it, yeah, with gloves on, moved it.

717
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: And they gotten that didn't like, got next to that

718
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: trail camera and just immediately like noses up in the

719
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: air looking around, we'll not seeing it. And I was like,

720
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: what the hell's at No? No, no smelled my And

721
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: that camera has been there for a year now and

722
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: I had just touched it and that tipped him off,

723
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: but he didn't no p away. I say, now are

724
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: you are you h dribbling her down the tree or

725
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: you you're shooting straight off because I'll dribble it down

726
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: the tree on purpose, so is not to make noise,

727
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: or I don't know why I shoot it. I shoot

728
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: it at the tree because you can make some noise

729
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: dry leaves. You know. I'm in the saddle these days,

730
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: so it's I usually just kind of turn ninding and

731
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: just go. I've never archa. It's more fun that way,

732
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: try and keep it out. I think I was thinking

733
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: about I don't know noise and like just I don't know,

734
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: just like kind of it seems like on the tree

735
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: you'd leave a much larger like you gotta climb down

736
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: that too, which, as we know an hour later, it's

737
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: just ammonia. But if you're a fetisher, you might be

738
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: into that. Well that's not where my mind was, and

739
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I don't feel like I don't

740
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: feel that I'm climbing back down through it. Well, I

741
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: don't know how many sides there a tree there are,

742
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: but there a lot of sides of a treat. Yeah

743
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: it is, but you're bear hugging the tree? Is you

744
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: climbed down? Um, we're in the tree a lot of

745
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: times with a cinematographer, and so that's hard being Yeah,

746
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: so it's it's just nicer to turn turn your back

747
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: to him and pee away from the tree. Yeah, that's

748
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: awkward situation can be. Yeah, they just looked around the

749
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: tree and you're like, I'm just dribbling down the tree

750
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: trunk here, bud, don't don't worry about me. Sorry about

751
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: your boot. Okay, that's that. Oh okay, yeah, hold on

752
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: before it before we cap that off, I just need

753
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: to add that, in fact, our beloved kin has in

754
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: fact written on this. It's a article called human or

755
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: dear urine. Doesn't make a difference. This guy must not

756
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: be very good internet searches. Maybe maybe he didn't find this.

757
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: It might not be it might not be cataloged properly.

758
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: So here's what Canyon had to say, Mark Kenyon. All

759
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: the research I've seen on this points to human yearine

760
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: being indistinguishable from deer or other critters after a very

761
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: short period. So I just let it fly anytime anywhere.

762
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm not once seen a dear spook from it. I

763
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: also pee and mock scrapes and have seen bucks immediately

764
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: start using them with no negative response. That says a

765
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: lot Clay. I've had mixed success. Pianout of stands that

766
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: could be read at hundred ways. He peed down his bibbs.

767
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's read down. Is that all I wrote?

768
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: End quote? I thought that's what you're getting at. That's

769
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: all you wrote that. No, I had this recently. Man

770
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: where I was there was I was interviewed for an

771
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: article recently, and it's like, I feel like if you're

772
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: talking to a journalist, you could say you could say

773
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: I'd don't eat dear meat when I'm vomiting, right, and

774
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: you'd read the next day be like, I don't need

775
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: dear meat, says Ronella. Uh, I've had mixed success. Pean

776
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: out of stands. I've seen dear spook and not spook.

777
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: Supposedly after some period of time, the yeurine is indistinguishable

778
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: interesting the same word choice as kenyan from other mammal urine. However,

779
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: I do like peeing in scrapes after a morning hunt.

780
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: But if you plan to have deer within bow range

781
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: of your tree peeing out of the tree, see This

782
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: is screwing it up because now we should have read

783
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: his first as a dissenting view and then given like overwhelming,

784
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: But now we're leaving him with a seated out. Yeah,

785
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: but he contradicts himself, like, how can pean in this

786
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: scrape be good? But pean out of a tree is bad?

787
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand, and I wish we hadn't even asked Clay. However,

788
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: I do like to read again play says, However, I

789
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: do like peean and scrapes after a morning hunt. But

790
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: you've planned to have deer within bow range. If your tree,

791
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: peean out of the tree isn't the best option, in

792
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: my opinion, then why in a scrap? To what I'm saying,

793
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: I think they'd be even tougher to get him in

794
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: bo range. If they like get in the scrape, why

795
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't they like it next your tree? If Clay thinks

796
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: the way he thinks, for really, you know you ought

797
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: to do He ought to make a big p funnel,

798
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: p way out one way, pe way out the other way,

799
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: and leave a pe gap right at your tree. Maybe

800
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: maybe it's just something eats channeling oak or something. Don't

801
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 1: eat any oak and you'll be good jud that Jerry

802
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: klower line. But uh, when he was a kid date

803
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: so much boiled oak or their socks wouldn't stay up. Okay,

804
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: here's what we want to do for here's what we

805
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: want to do to should takeet everybody rolling on. Um.

806
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: We want to talk about impactful things from two and

807
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: how they may have changed your your perspective, change your

808
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: life course. Right, And it's important because that's why you live.

809
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: You live an introspective life. You try to make sense

810
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: out of stuff. So that was what everybody was tasked

811
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: to do. Who wants to start? It's a big task. Yeah,

812
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: I still haven't thought of mine. It was I can't

813
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: think of one. I mean, I got a bunch, but

814
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: I can't think of which one is the most impactful thing.

815
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: I know what it should be, but I can't. It

816
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't seem impactful to anybody. You should try us get

817
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: get the ball rolling because it's all the yeah, too

818
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: much context. No no, no, no no. I'd be like saying, um,

819
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: it would be like saying, uh, that was the most

820
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: important day of my life except when I got married

821
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: and had kids. You know what I mean? Where you

822
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: gotta right, you talk about a thing. Then people are like, yeah,

823
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: but what about whatever? Like when Chester goes he's gonna

824
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: do his big concert not having his kid, and then

825
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: people are gonna condemn him. I can tie him both

826
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: in there in a way. So who's going first? Brody?

827
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Sure I can go first? Um, what happened to two

828
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: that you feel will change your course? Uh? Taking my

829
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: wife on her first successful hunt ever, she drew an.

830
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: We both threw antalope tags for out in the eastern

831
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: Montana and uh, playing a hunt for opening weekend of

832
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: antelope rifle season. Um, she'd been she's been hunting a

833
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: couple of times at four honest, almost put her on

834
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: a turkey a couple of years ago. But um, she

835
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: didn't really show any interest in hunting until we moved

836
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: to Montana a few years ago and kind of slowly

837
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: took more interest in it. Why didn't you want to

838
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: hunt Colorado when you guys had all that hunting right

839
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: out of your door. I don't know, that's a good question.

840
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: Maybe it's all this, you know what I think it

841
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: is what your kids are getting older and it's not

842
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: such a pain, and you ask anymore? Probably, Yeah, So

843
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: I think about it gives a chance to think about

844
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah, definitely, definitely um and over the uh,

845
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: the pandemic. She took her Hunter's safety course because it

846
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: was something to do. You could do it online, you know,

847
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Anyway, she drew the tag, we both

848
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: drew antelope tags. We went out to eastern Montana, and

849
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: I was like nervous, man, Like, I did not like,

850
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't get that way taking my kid hunting. I

851
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: have old I have friends who started hunting late in

852
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: life that like, I didn't ever get nervous taking them, um,

853
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: because I knew, like if things went badly, I just

854
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: had a feeling it's something she wouldn't never do again,

855
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: Like if she ended up having a horrible time or

856
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: wounded an animal and we didn't get it, it's very

857
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: that was very much like weighing on me, like putting

858
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: things together in a way that everything went well, but

859
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: we know, I mean, neither of us knew up until

860
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: the moment she pulled the trigger. If she would even

861
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: pull the trigger, she might decide it's not something she

862
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: wanted to do. Um. So anyway, we went out. We

863
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: had a couple of stocks, like right off the bat

864
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: at first light and I was kind of glad they

865
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: didn't work out, because you wanted to like get some

866
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: experience in there. You don't to be like first toime

867
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: step off the road, boom, it's over. Then she'd be like, yeah, exactly. Um.

868
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: So we chased a bunch of antelope around for two

869
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: or three hours, got busted, you know, a couple of

870
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: times it didn't work out. And then late morning I

871
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: saw a little buck a dough in a fawn like

872
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: laying a it's the base of this little knob. They

873
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: were in the perfect spot to like come up behind

874
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: him on top of the hill and shoot down on

875
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: that little buck. Um. But man, I was like heart pounding,

876
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: like very worried about how it was going to go.

877
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: It was just the the ecotomy between like the husband

878
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: wife thing was different. Man. It was because you thought

879
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: you were afraid she's gonna cripple one up or miss one.

880
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: I wasn't so much worried about missing like that. I

881
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: think would be easier to get through than wounding one. Um.

882
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: And you're like the whole time, you're acting like you

883
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: would not act with a buddy, Like I'm not saying

884
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: like hurry up, don't you see him? Like, you know,

885
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: things you were doing that I was not. I was like,

886
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: I've been doing that, I know, but I was like exactly, yeah,

887
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: I I feel like I can't act like that. There's

888
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: like I can't make this into something like getting in

889
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: a fight over the dishes at home, Like if I

890
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: start irritating her in a way like that, like this

891
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: is not going to be good. Um. So it ended

892
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: up all working out. Like it's a short shot hundred

893
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: yards the animal he runs a little ways and tips

894
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: over and she was freaking out that because he ran

895
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: he was wounded, But it all worked out. Um and

896
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: I and I don't know, man, the whole thing like

897
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: taught me maybe I should be acting like that around

898
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: other people, not just my wife when I'm out hunting

899
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: with him, like be more patient. Kind of realized that

900
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: not everyone has the experience, not everyone can see the

901
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: game that what you know what I mean, he's gonna

902
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: turn nice. That's not I'm not saying that there's still

903
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: start petting all dogs, like the whisper yelling is not

904
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: not gonna end. But it was definitely like maybe there's

905
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 1: something to that. Taking things a little slower, explaining things

906
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: a little better, you know it goes a long way. Yeah, yeah,

907
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: people like that. See, yeah, because I find myself yelling.

908
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: I like yell at my kid about the need to

909
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: be calm. But which is a contradiction. Think about if

910
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: it was Katie, you would not like, oh, dude, I'll

911
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: be walking on eggshells exactly. Oh yeah, well, oh my god.

912
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, it was well, you know, I

913
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: could see why you're doing it that way, but you know,

914
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: another way to look at it would be that you'd

915
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: walk quietly. Yeah, but you know now that I's only

916
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: see your point. Yeah, I just thought, um, you know,

917
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: and it was emotional for which I'm not saying it's

918
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: not emotional for me. But to see an adult in

919
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: their forties like their reaction to the their first ever

920
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: kill is a big game animal. It's an animal. It's

921
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: not a squirrel or even a turkey. You know, it's different,

922
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, I think I'll take away a lot

923
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: of lessons from that. When I took my wife squirrel

924
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: hunting for the first time, she hit one in the ear,

925
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: and uh, they left a little blood trail and snow,

926
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: but we couldn't find it tore up. She thought it

927
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: was more binary, right, She thought, it's like it dies

928
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: or it gets away. She didn't know about an ear shot. Yeah,

929
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: they're not shoulder. I I don't really know, but that

930
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: that that squirrel's gonna be fine in spite of the

931
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: little drips of blood that it came off as a

932
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: year but you like got him in the ear like earhole, No,

933
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: like like pierced his ear. Oh I got you know,

934
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: not the ear hole like like like creased, it's ear

935
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: area pierced. I'm surprised that a little blood trail. Yeah

936
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: I didn't in the snow, you know, by my mom's place.

937
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 1: That gets me excited to go hunt. But I watched

938
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: that squirrel for a long time, running up down, you know,

939
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: getting away. But yeah, increased him, increase a little melan.

940
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: She felt horrible. Yeah, he'll be all right. Crunched him.

941
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: So you can start being super nice everybody. No, no,

942
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: she she got her first count out. Now I can.

943
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: Now I can like act like I normally would. But no,

944
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: it taught me a lot. Like you take for granted

945
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: the experience you have, you know, and you can't just

946
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: act like you do with people. What exactly is the problem,

947
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: you know, what exactly is your problem. It was cool,

948
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: it was good. Or another thing you'll do is you

949
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: get like really condescending. Not you one one will get

950
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: really condescending where you're like, okay, so tell me where

951
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: you're not getting it. Like, there's a deer in front

952
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: of us, right, do you see the deer? You know, different,

953
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: different approaches like that I find to be very helpful. Yeah,

954
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: would you rather have me shoot the deer? Um? Yeah,

955
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: that's good. It's nice. Totill go hunting with your wife. Yeah,

956
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be something she's you know, she's

957
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: not gonna be out there filling four or five tags

958
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: a year. But if she does one big game hunt

959
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: in a turkey hunt in the spring, that'd be great.

960
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: It will be good. I'm gonna be done hunting a

961
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: couple of years. Yeah, I'm just I mean, that's the

962
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: thing is, uh, you start getting those tags filled from

963
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: other people and all your time's taking up doing that.

964
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: My boy he got he got four big game animals.

965
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: That's two more than I did. It's like I'm I'm

966
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping her und Yeah. We pulled in a couple

967
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: of extra big game animals, a couple of turkeys. So

968
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: imagine what not. You know, I'll pretty soon all have

969
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: three hunters. I won't hut any more. No, you're gonna

970
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: have to be nice. I don't know. You got pretty

971
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: lucky with James, and he seems to respond well to

972
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: your condescending technique, but the other two might not. Yeah,

973
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: that's what I ask because Rosie's gonna be up. She's fired,

974
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: but she's fired off. Do you anticipate having to handle No,

975
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to act totally different with her than her brother.

976
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted, way different. Yeah, I'm gonna act

977
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: totally different. But she's she got a turkey last year,

978
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: didn't she killed two turkeys? But hunting big game. I'm

979
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: gonna act different. I just know I will, because there's

980
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: just a dynamic. It's like trying not like I don't

981
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: have the I don't have the dynamic of being that

982
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: that like. I want her to go hunt like more

983
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: than I want my boy to go right, because I

984
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: want I don't want to fall prey like. I want

985
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: her to feel compelled to do it and not fall

986
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: into this like boy girl. However, I just know that

987
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: I'll act different to her. Yeah, I just more. I

988
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: mean like I'm just flat out I'm more tolerant. I'm

989
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: more talent with her than I am. I mean, I like,

990
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: I act out my I've taken my dad's role and

991
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: I've given my kid my role, and it just we're

992
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: in the trap of we're in the father son trap. Yeah,

993
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: I do find that I with my daughter, I explained

994
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: things a lot more than my dad did to me

995
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: with my son who's hunting now, Like I feel like

996
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: it was just like do this back in the old days,

997
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: and you just did that. But now I find myself

998
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: saying why we're doing things, which is good hunter. So yeah,

999
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: this year was um my first time going past Tennessee

1000
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: to hunt west. So. I grew up on the Chesspeake

1001
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: Bay and so saltwater fishing Chesspeake Bay, outer banks hunting

1002
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: in Virginia, UM, North Carolina and Tennessee. So as soon

1003
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: as I came on the mediator, you know, and so

1004
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 1: you got work, colleagues, friends, you know, getting tags kind

1005
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: of get into that I had been putting in over

1006
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, tags unsuccessful and successful. This

1007
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: year I got success on a rifle tag for a

1008
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: problem horn. Now I started watching videos trying to get myself,

1009
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, excited about it, and and I was, and

1010
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: then instantly kind of turned into like, now, what hell

1011
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: am I going to do? I didn't want to bug

1012
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: anybody in the office, you know, it was to what

1013
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: to do? So in August Um, I went with Hayden,

1014
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: what would you not want to bug anybody out? Everybody?

1015
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: That's why you work here? Yeah? Man, Well, I mean

1016
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: I just figured everybody's got you know, they've got their

1017
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: own tags, they've got things going on, and the last

1018
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: thing they need is a hanger on or to you know, well,

1019
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: going forward after this event, yeah, I can't. You just

1020
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to go hunting and have someone just yell

1021
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: condescending things into your ear while you have animals, So

1022
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: you do realize we're hunting, right. That's that's how the

1023
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: story kind of felt like it was getting to in

1024
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: a minute. Um. But yeah, in August Um Hayden drawn

1025
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: a archery tag prong horn. So that was like my

1026
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: first you know, situational experience. I quickly realized after about

1027
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: a day, who the hell is gonna you know, stock

1028
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: a rocket ship in a flat field with a bow.

1029
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: It just it seemed like it was impossible. So I

1030
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: kind of knew that. Like that trip it was my

1031
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: desk was like spotting on the scope and giving pep

1032
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: talks on blowing stalks. You got a buddy, You'll you'll

1033
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: get the next one. It just takes one. Just it

1034
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: just takes one or twenty. Um. But yeah, like inside

1035
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: of my head, I was kind of going and you

1036
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: got it made with this rifle tag. I mean not

1037
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: like in a cocky way, but just in a way

1038
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: like all these all these program hornies can't get with.

1039
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: I just thought, well, I'm gonna tag out day one

1040
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: or two. I might as well go ahead and put

1041
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: Hayes Taxidermy into my phone. You know it's gonna be

1042
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, easy, It's gonna be a giant. Yeah. I

1043
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: haven't gotten them yet, but exactly let me know, John.

1044
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: But so come October, you know, two months later, that

1045
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: confidence level starts sinking a little bit, probably not unlike

1046
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: when you felt confident going to the open up for

1047
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: trampled by turtles, and then come showtime, that nerves starts kicking.

1048
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: So um, day one, Um, you know, I'm kind of

1049
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm in a local unit around here, which I kind

1050
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: of learned quickly that the prong horner going to be

1051
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: mainly out towards the eastern side of the state, the

1052
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: open country, in the open country. So I'm I'm kind

1053
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: of basically day one hitting little B M A s

1054
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: and state state pieces. And I did see a small herd,

1055
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: but they were so far on private and today we're

1056
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: going to get to public anytime soon, and they didn't

1057
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: that day Day two and three, I didn't see anything. Now,

1058
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: confidence levels dropping. I'm getting in my head time's ticking,

1059
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: like I've got so excited for this tag that you

1060
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: know it's gonna be uh, let me flying back with

1061
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: tag suit call the text and there was back yeah,

1062
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: trying to get your deposit back. So it was It

1063
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: made me think in my head, I'm like, you know, okay,

1064
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: a lesson learned here would have been studying the ship

1065
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: out of the units. No, what's got more access than

1066
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: others and what holds you know, whatever you're hunting for.

1067
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: The only question I had when I read your story

1068
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: earlier in the notes was right here, because I figured

1069
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: someone gave you advice on where to apply. You didn't

1070
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: just potentially pick this unit out of a hat and

1071
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: apply right right, So I want to know who's to

1072
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: blame who. After the podcast, I can go point my

1073
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: finger out and go why did you tell them? And

1074
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: go get there? I thought so. So I think that's

1075
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: that's an important point though, because I think a lot

1076
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: of people that are planning their first Western hunt they

1077
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 1: may not do the kind of research like you might

1078
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: find a unit that's easy to draw for like whatever

1079
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 1: your antelope, there might be a reason why it's easy

1080
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: to draw. There's no public land, you know. Listen, I

1081
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: did the exact same thing on a mountain range nearby here.

1082
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: I won't name any and it was it was a

1083
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: prong Horn tag too. It's like my first or second

1084
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 1: year here and Dan Doty, the old producer of Meter

1085
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: and I were like, look at this, it's like almost

1086
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: it's so close, and we got the tags, were like sweet,

1087
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: we're partying. And then we started driving around and literally

1088
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: could not access a single piece of public land, not

1089
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: a one. In the end, we ended up going down

1090
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: a road that, judging by the map, it was pretty

1091
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: much open, and got into one and shot to prong

1092
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: Horn box left and the next day we're like, oh,

1093
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: that's right. To other people in the office. It also

1094
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: apply to the same hack. We're like, let's come back here.

1095
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: This is awesome. We got a spot. We get there

1096
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: locked gate, so I think we had got we had

1097
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: done a little bit of trespassing to get to you

1098
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: the state land, you know. Um. But anyways, so you're

1099
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: not You're not alone in this. Yeah. Yeah, it's a

1100
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: common mistake, I think. So all through the first three days, Um,

1101
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, Garrett had Garrett long had texted me and

1102
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: and I had a good relationship with Garrett and the

1103
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: fact that he's probably who I dealt with the most

1104
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. So I tell him no,

1105
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: no luck, no luck. Day four comes along and he's like, hey,

1106
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: I've got some permission on a private piece. Um. So

1107
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: my comfidence level starts to go back up. I'm like, okay,

1108
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 1: off Garrett with me. You know, he'll he'll be good

1109
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: to have their tax sermons back. Yeah, exactly. Um, but

1110
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: that's when I realized that I'm now I'm really letting

1111
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: ship get in my head because now I see it.

1112
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: Now I'm saying, Okay, this is actually gonna happen. I've

1113
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: got caret here, who I naturally would feel completely comfortable with.

1114
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: But with this being my first tag, I felt the

1115
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: pressure of like, man, he's gone out of his way

1116
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: to get the permission. I gotta get this done. Well,

1117
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: I missed the first shot. I couldn't believe it. I

1118
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: was just, you know, shook up. In this particular field

1119
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: is probably about two sixty seven seventy. That sounds a

1120
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: little bit like what he told me, is you walk

1121
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: back to the truck at golf term. You might not know,

1122
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: but when you were bearing down on him, was it

1123
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: like were there nerves? Oh yeah, My breathing was out

1124
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: of control, of heart going through my chest, you know,

1125
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: just everything to build up of like this being the

1126
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: first Western hunt, was all happening right there. Did he

1127
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: ask you what exactly was the problem? In a little

1128
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: bit he did. So I shot and there's this sort

1129
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: of like um crested ridge that runs through like dissects

1130
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: the center of this property. Well, they had taken off

1131
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: off the backside and I couldn't see him, trenaline still pumping.

1132
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the buck must have turned and

1133
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: comes right up to the ridge line about seventy five

1134
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: yards from me. So now I'm a wreck. I'm trying

1135
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: to swing around I got bipod legs flailing everywhere, and

1136
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking through a scope that because I'm just worried

1137
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: that he's gonna bolt magnified way too much. Couldn't get

1138
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: him in in the scope miss two. Now, I thought

1139
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: you couldn't get him to the sculpe just because you know,

1140
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: it's so magnified, and I'm just trying to find him

1141
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: and locate him in that scope quickly. But I found him.

1142
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, well, how is the missing him related to

1143
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: not be able to find him? I don't know, just

1144
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: general flustered nous. Yeah, yeah, so because you didn't just

1145
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: shoot without finding them in there? No? No, no, Yeah,

1146
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: the wheels of calling off day way off. And I

1147
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: and I remember at this point, I'm not sure if

1148
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: if f bombs flew out or I think what happened

1149
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: was I just kind of like pulled my head down

1150
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: and stared at the dirt and I just said, hey, Garrett,

1151
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: can we not mention this to Steve? I haven't heard

1152
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: until now. Yeah, Well that's good. I know I can

1153
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: count on him. But yeah, so on the way back

1154
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: walk into the truck, he was like a buddy, how

1155
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: was a big buck? He's like I said, how close

1156
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: was that? How close was he on this? Probably seventy

1157
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: you could have thrown a rock at him, you know.

1158
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: It just kind of ribbing me having fun. So day

1159
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: four comes along and they're in the same exact spot.

1160
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I remember where I screwed

1161
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: up on day three. I'm going to do this all

1162
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: every but this time I'm further. I'm probably I'm on

1163
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: the other side of the property, eating over two ridges

1164
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: and neural on the ridge line. Do you check your rifle? Yeah?

1165
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: All good? There. Um, we sat there for like twenty minutes.

1166
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: I thought, calm so I could rule out, you know,

1167
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: and I can't. I can't explain it. I don't know

1168
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: why m three and at this point now it's not

1169
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: I can't look at it and go that was because

1170
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: I was flustered or whatever. I can't explain why it happened.

1171
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: And I'm embarrassed, you know, I'm just like crushed. I

1172
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: just want to tucktail and walk off. Uh. But yeah,

1173
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: he's he's great at consoling. So final day and I'm

1174
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm a wreck, you know. I mean, I'm talked to

1175
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: my wife that night on the phone and she's trying

1176
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: to talk about the ledge. You'll be fine. I got

1177
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: one more day, and I'm thinking, you know how the

1178
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: other daste went. The next day starts off horrible. I

1179
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: got I haven't had a nose eat since I was

1180
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: a kid, and it was just pouring out of my nose.

1181
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: Trying to get out of the house to go meet him,

1182
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm shoving cleanex in my nose, trying to lace my boots.

1183
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: Inexplicable nose bleep from the dryer, from dryer, so I

1184
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: guess it is applicable. Yeah, lace on my boots and

1185
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: and and head off and I meet him and there

1186
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: they are again. You know, it's like, well, I don't

1187
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: think they were worried at that point. Yeah, some of

1188
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: might shoot over here, but just sound just you're good,

1189
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: you're good. So, um, Garrett's there for a little bit

1190
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, hey, buddy, I got a meeting

1191
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: I to go go to. And I all right, it's cool.

1192
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking you probably just can't stay seeming us the

1193
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: fourth time. So um, yeah, I'm there by myself and

1194
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm seeing him on the ridge line, and like I said,

1195
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: the way that it crested, I'm trying to say, okay, well,

1196
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: if they come off my side, I'm good. But if

1197
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: they go off the back side, I've got to somehow

1198
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: managed to get all the way around to out the

1199
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: side of the property before they get off the line.

1200
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: Came off to my side. Long story short, crawled quickly

1201
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: into position, got in the corner, first shot perfect right

1202
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: behind the shoulder. I think I was about two eight

1203
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: two ninety on that one. Maybe um good poke yeah, yeah,

1204
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: and you know, the rest of them took off and

1205
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: he just stood there for a second and then just dropped.

1206
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: Um and Garrett was there or not there, not there

1207
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 1: on that one, so said, I don't know if he

1208
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: met I got to leave in a minute, but he left, Yeah,

1209
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: he had already left. So I was there a glass

1210
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: and I'm probably about an hour hour and a half.

1211
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, it just texted me

1212
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: like maybe five minutes before he's like, hey see anything.

1213
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, now they're still there not I think no,

1214
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: sooner did I kind of like look down for a

1215
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: second look up. They had gotten up and started kind

1216
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: of walking to the line. Um. Yeah, so I made sure,

1217
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: uh you know that he was down in uh called

1218
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: my wife felt that was the right thing to do. First,

1219
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: thank thanks for the pep talk. Quickly called Garrett because

1220
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to sort of redeem myself after those those days.

1221
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: He was excited and chucked it in the back of

1222
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: the rental vehicle, gutted it, and then chucked it in

1223
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: the back of the rental vehicle. Learned that trying to

1224
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: take pictures when you're by yourself and setting timers on

1225
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: your phone to prop it up on your pack and

1226
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: try to get a picture sucks. Um, but yeah, toss

1227
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: it in the rental vehicle. Um, take it back to

1228
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: Hayden's and started cutting ups quick as I could. Had

1229
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: to delay my flight an extra day, Yeah, because I

1230
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I got it frozen. But um

1231
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, now I was. I was excited. Finally had

1232
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: to make that call to to John send it up there. Um,

1233
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: so John Hayes is gonna do it. What's he gonna

1234
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: do it? He's gonna do it. Wasn't a shoulder mount,

1235
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: but it was like a shoulder mount. And normally I

1236
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: would do a free him or you know your amount,

1237
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 1: but with this just being my first wed and I

1238
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: wanted to do something special. Um, so yeah, I was

1239
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: very excited about that. And I'll quickly recap my second hunt. Um,

1240
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't go as long into it. But

1241
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: um I went to Nebraska probably sixteen days after that

1242
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: to Jordan buds and um So, I took my wife

1243
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: out there and we're out there for a week. And uh,

1244
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: ironically the Nebraska episode for Meat Eater aired. Why I

1245
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: was there, um So there, I was sitting out in

1246
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: the exact same field that you guys were hunting, watching

1247
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: it in her truck on her phone with her and

1248
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: I and listeners. I'm not blowing smoke because Steve sitting here,

1249
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: but your demeanor in that episode, just talking about like

1250
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: telling Jordan, hey, I'm having a great time, yeah, that

1251
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: she's sweating it, and then telling her at the end

1252
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: you know what and about you know what and about that.

1253
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: For me on this trip, it just it kind of

1254
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: just was like a turning point in my head, you know,

1255
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: just kind of resonated. Um So, I didn't feel that

1256
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: like pressure that I had on the Pronghorn hunt. Um

1257
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: had a good time, laugh the whole time last day

1258
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: buzzer Beater, last hour of my hunt before we had

1259
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 1: to pack up, and had a rapid city. Um yeah,

1260
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: beautiful buck starts coming up the river bed and this

1261
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: was an archery tag and got to about forty yards

1262
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: and let it fly and perfect shot. Crunch. Yeah. So

1263
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: you sent me the prong horn, but you didn't send

1264
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: me that. I'll send it to you. Yeah, and it

1265
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: was great. It was great being there, um whether I

1266
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: mean yeah, she as a matter of fact, she had

1267
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: seen that same bug. I didn't realize that when I

1268
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: shot it that it was a buck, but she had

1269
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: sent me a picture and he was out of range

1270
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: on like the second day, and um, I was like, man,

1271
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: I hope you get to see him again and show

1272
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: me the picture. Um so yeah, you along with Jordan.

1273
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 1: You didn't get in a fight with Jordan. No, she's

1274
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: she's she's great. Uh, I had my Um, I don't

1275
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: know if you'll be able to tell him this picture,

1276
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: but see if you recognize Um, let me turn it

1277
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: real quick. Did Garrett or Jordan's speak condescending words into

1278
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: your ears as you were trying to shoot at these

1279
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: animals by himself? Um, I was in a pop up

1280
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: blind actual Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's yeah, she said you

1281
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: recognize the buy no harness, I didn't look I was

1282
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:58,759
Speaker 1: looking at the deer. So in the see if you

1283
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: no the chairs, is that the one that from the thing? Yeah,

1284
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, so it was kind of deemed up

1285
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: my good luck charm. That's great man. So that was

1286
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 1: from the auction house? Yeah cool? Yeah, yeah, so no,

1287
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was great and um, definitely and I

1288
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: don't really know how to practice it, but I think

1289
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: getting my big takeaway was like, yeah, you need to

1290
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: prep physically, but man mentally, it just seems like if

1291
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: you can let it get in your head and you can,

1292
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: you can nose dive quick. Um. I would like to

1293
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: work on not having last eight kills before you have

1294
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: to take off because that's a little stressful. Yeah, keeping

1295
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: your head right, yeah yeah. Yeah. So that was great. Excited,

1296
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: excited to be in this room with you guys sharing it.

1297
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean, person I probably influenced me the most. And

1298
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of cool not being in here

1299
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: talking about an art project but actually talking about you know,

1300
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: speaking the same language. Did you guys talk about every week? Thanks?

1301
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: Man's good. That's great. You should definitely trying to work

1302
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: yourself into a hunt with Steve to get to experience

1303
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: that what it's like to be, you know, constantly put down.

1304
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: You want the wheels to fold off in the first

1305
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Yeah, yeah, you just you'll be forged by fire.

1306
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: That's right. Every hunt after that will be you weren't

1307
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, that's the that's the way to do it,

1308
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: so that you don't have you don't your wheels will

1309
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 1: never fall off again. After one hunt with Steve, everything

1310
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: you else will just seem like cakewalk. When people are

1311
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: afraid of flying and they strapping into those planes. Maybe

1312
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: it's a guy girl thing, but but when Steve took

1313
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: me spear fishing, I didn't experience any of that. I

1314
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: think he can't talk to you through the water. That's true.

1315
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: He was trying to. He was trying to do things

1316
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: with bubbles, but getting the message is not like that.

1317
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: For me. It's only big game hunt well, score on.

1318
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, for some reason, I don't get that feeling

1319
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: with spearfishing, because that's probably like frustrating the hell out

1320
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: of you. I couldn't even stay in the same place

1321
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: get that. I don't get that super like blood lust

1322
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: like I get home where I just want someone to

1323
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: get something bad. I've been spear fishing with Steve, and

1324
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: it's been great speaking of that head headspace just like

1325
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Has been like an incredible year. Some

1326
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: of the highlights were was actually spear fishing for me

1327
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: when I was in Hawaii and Louisiana kind of like

1328
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: ground breaking moments where you can, like if you put

1329
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: your head in your mind to anything you can you

1330
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: can make a lot happen if you calm your nerves

1331
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: and whatnot. From going from not being able to break

1332
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: the surface in Louisiana to like diving a decent amount.

1333
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: But anyways, that was a highlight and can interrupt real

1334
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: quick on that thought. Greg Fonts early on when I

1335
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: started hanging out and explained to me that, um, if

1336
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with you, spear fishing is where you'll

1337
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: find it, meaning like all there's no hiding from anything. Yeah,

1338
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: total like in a total health perspective, it'll find you,

1339
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 1: like mentally, physically. Yeah. He's just like, if there's a problem,

1340
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: it'll emerge. It emerged there, dude. That's interesting though, because

1341
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: after I learned how to dive a little bit, right,

1342
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: I don't I felt very calm, very very calm, but

1343
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: I just had to do something that was one of

1344
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: the hardest things I've ever done in my life, which

1345
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: is open up for a band called Trampled by Turtles,

1346
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: which all of you guys probably already know. This story,

1347
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: long story short, Karin Hook got my number to Dave Sevenette,

1348
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: who is the lead singer for Trampled by Turtles. This

1349
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: was in July. This is my wife is pregnant. We're

1350
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch and I get a text from

1351
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: Dave saying basically, do you want a gig? Do you

1352
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: want to place? Pitch you to Dave? Just what do

1353
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: you think about my idea? So those guys actually used

1354
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: the word gig. He used the word gig. Who reached

1355
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: out to? Who Dave sent texted me with an idea?

1356
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: And he was like, what do you think about this?

1357
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: And you know, like should I ask him? And you know,

1358
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: if yes, like should I? Can I have his contact information?

1359
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: And immediately I just thought it was the best idea

1360
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: I ever And that's all so that makes even better

1361
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: they're searching you out. Yeah, it had seen like a

1362
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: video of Chester singing and he just thought he was

1363
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: really talented. Who told me? Dude? Anyways, like if people

1364
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: like I am not. I learned how to play guitar

1365
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and I picked it up

1366
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to learn how to

1367
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: play this for my wife at the wedding. And I learned,

1368
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, the basic chords, and I took some online stuff,

1369
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: tried to take lessons, ended up playing the show. I

1370
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: would have never in a million years I thought I

1371
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: would be standing in front of like six people two

1372
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: years later with a guitar in my hand trying to

1373
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: get through a set list. Like never in a million years.

1374
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: So you girls, get away, l Yeah, let's get out

1375
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: of here, Carl. It's getting crazy. So Dave texted me,

1376
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting on the couch with my wife, like

1377
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: I said, we were pregnant, and he said, you want

1378
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: to open for it? She was? She was, she was pregnant.

1379
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: I don't know why I always say that, but yes,

1380
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: I was not pregnant. It was my wife and uh,

1381
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: he said, do you want a gig December one? And

1382
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: it's July. And I thought about it, and she was

1383
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: jumping up and down, saying you have to do it,

1384
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: you have to do it. So I called Dave back

1385
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: and I said, I think I'm gonna do it, but

1386
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: I really got to buckle down. So I just played

1387
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: guitar as much as I could. I hadn't played in

1388
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: front of anybody. I did a few sets at the

1389
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: same restaurant in Bozeman twice, Bridget Brewing. They went okay,

1390
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: but then you're saying you played at Bridget Brewing again,

1391
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: but a different branches and different branch locations, so it

1392
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: was like two shows. Yeah. They really helped me out,

1393
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: you know. So I asked Carl to do this with me.

1394
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: Carl Hansen, he worked with us, and he's, uh, he

1395
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: plays in some metal bands and things like that, and

1396
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: I just needed some help, you know, to help me

1397
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 1: along on this. So we got a sett list together

1398
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: and we practiced, um, I don't know, once a week,

1399
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: starting in September maybe is when we started practicing with

1400
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,919
Speaker 1: Carl in the days are ticking down. And another element

1401
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 1: to this is we thought we were going to have

1402
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: our child this uh when was November nine, which would

1403
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: be ten days before this gig was actually supposed to

1404
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: happen in Atlanta, Georgia. So I didn't really I've never

1405
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: had a kid, and it hadn't really hit me of

1406
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: how hard that would have actually been if our first

1407
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: son was born on that date. He came four weeks

1408
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: early October nine, which is actually just like a blessing

1409
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: in disguise because I was able to help my wife

1410
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: out with that first week or two, which is extremely challenging. Um,

1411
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: I was able to be at home. I was able

1412
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 1: to practice more, which if I wasn't able to be

1413
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 1: at home, I don't know if I would have it

1414
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: would have been hard to to do pull this off.

1415
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: I think. So everything worked out, and here it is.

1416
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: We Carl and I flew down to Atlanta, Georgia with

1417
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: I had two guitars and he had his bass a

1418
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 1: little tambourine on one foot and kick drum on his

1419
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: other foot. And uh, we show up at this this theater,

1420
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: the Buckhead Theater in Atlanta, and I walk in there

1421
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: and it's like full on rock star like green rooms,

1422
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: really nice. There's fog. You walk in and there's like

1423
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: fog rolling out of the door from the smoke machine.

1424
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 1: You know, we get badges, um the whole trample guys.

1425
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: Are they like you stuff in the green room? No,

1426
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: I could have looking back, I could have asked for that,

1427
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:00,799
Speaker 1: but they had put it in your rider contracted no mint,

1428
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: yes exactly. Now, I just asked for some light beer

1429
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: and water. Um. I could have asked for a little

1430
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: more annoying, but I didn't need much. So Carl and

1431
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: I show up there and the Trampled guys are out

1432
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: on stage doing sound check, and I walked out where

1433
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: the crowd would be standing and it is like full on,

1434
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: just obviously a legit set up. They got like props

1435
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: and lights and the sound guys working his magic and

1436
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 1: it's like bumping, like people are going to be able

1437
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:38,440
Speaker 1: to hear me kind of thing. Things start to set in. Um,

1438
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: and we do sound check and I'm not nervous at all,

1439
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: and uh, we do sound check and it goes pretty well.

1440
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: I was calm and and things were working out, and

1441
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: you know, I was getting all amped and excited. We

1442
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: go back to the green room. Hours start taking by,

1443
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: people start showing up. You know, my hearts starting to

1444
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: kind of do this. My breathing is a little bit,

1445
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: it's a little harder to breathe. I tuned my guitar.

1446
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,520
Speaker 1: This is a moment when it really hit me. Backstage

1447
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: and I walk out onto the stage and there's already

1448
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 1: a crowd out there, not a full room. But I

1449
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 1: walk out there and all of a sudden, I hear Chester. Yeah,

1450
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: like whoa, there's like a vine of people in front

1451
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 1: just to see me. Like they showed up early obviously

1452
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: heard about it on the podcast and stuff. And it

1453
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: was great. Like I was like, hey, guys, like thanks,

1454
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,799
Speaker 1: But I get back, you know, in the green room,

1455
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm just like, holy cow, here it goes, you know,

1456
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: And Carl's all jacked and give me a pep talk

1457
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And I walk out on stage for the

1458
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: first song and I don't know why I get like

1459
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: this sometimes, but I am nervous. It makes me nervous

1460
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: a little bit thinking about it. But my leg was

1461
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: shaken a little bit. Um. I felt like I couldn't

1462
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: feel my fingers, you know. And I felt like with

1463
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 1: Seth got Mercury Pois and call that yeah, right, that's

1464
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure you just didn't have Yeah. I was like,

1465
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: did I tune them before anyways? Like that's not a

1466
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: good feeling, but especially when you gotta play with your hands. Yeah,

1467
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: And I got through the first song, and I'm saying

1468
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 1: I got through it. People will say I did great,

1469
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 1: but I missed some notes and things like that. I

1470
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 1: sang it got through all all the lyrics and whatnot,

1471
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: and uh, it was kind of a relief because then

1472
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: after that I introduced ourselves how we got there. The crowd,

1473
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: I can't thank them enough. It was They were absolutely

1474
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 1: fantastic and it's a good thing that you know, we

1475
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: mentioned it. Steve mentioned it because if it was just

1476
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: like a trampled by Turtles crowd, who knows, they might

1477
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: not have been as as h That's one thing I noticed.

1478
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, but I've watched a lot of the videos,

1479
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: and the crowd was being super respectful and listening, and

1480
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of a hit or miss thing in concerts.

1481
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: But with the opening act they could just be on

1482
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: their phones and talking to their friends and everything, but

1483
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: everyone was locked in. We fluffed, We fluffed the dickens

1484
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: out of them on the show, though, I mean we

1485
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: were promoted it too, so we and everybody knew not

1486
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: to expect too much of you. Yeah, because you downplayed it.

1487
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 1: Jess was like, I'm gonna go down there and rock

1488
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: their world, you know, But no matter what you did,

1489
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: if Chester had gotten up there and it sucked, yeah,

1490
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: they would have been on their phones. That's the world

1491
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: we live in today, and they would have been with

1492
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: their bodies. They would have gone to go get more

1493
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: beers or whatever. But but but I also think, well, well,

1494
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: a performer is more than is the work. It's just

1495
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: as a very lovable person. So I feel like it

1496
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: would be harder to disrespect Chester than someone else. Yeah,

1497
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: most of those people didn't know Chester. Yeah, so I

1498
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: mean they like you think that I'm saying. No, I'm

1499
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: not saying he didn't do a good job. I'm not

1500
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: saying good I'm saying he'd like he brings goodwill from

1501
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: the world. I try, definitely try try and make that

1502
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: an effort. Um. But yeah, so I introduced ourselves and

1503
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 1: the crowd was like, like you said, very much so

1504
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: listening I made it. I mean I was like making

1505
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 1: eye contact with people, and um, did the show go perfect?

1506
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 1: As an like an performer? No? Um, but I got

1507
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 1: done with every song everyone cheered. Did you feel like

1508
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,879
Speaker 1: like as you progressed down the line, like he got looser,

1509
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: are more comfortable and it got easier as he went along?

1510
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Ye that shakin went away? Um, I was starting to

1511
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: I was starting to smile, you know, Like I walked

1512
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: out there and I was like, yeah, a little still

1513
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,759
Speaker 1: a little stiff, but you can tell like the crowd

1514
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: was getting into it. Whoever. I think Steve had shared

1515
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 1: the video or somebody. You could see their head and

1516
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: and Dave sent me as he was on stage, Dave

1517
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: sent me a text he was happy as hell and

1518
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: you had just gotten started. That's great, Dave. Dave was awesome.

1519
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: I actually asked him. This was Carl's idea. He's like,

1520
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: what do you think about playing one of their songs?

1521
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 1: And I was like, huh. He's like, yeah, So we

1522
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: learned um one of their songs, It's and living buying

1523
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: how I choose. Ain't never been a gambler because I'm

1524
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 1: always bound to lose. But we played that one up there,

1525
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: and uh, Dave was kind of like, all right, and

1526
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: those guys are like, you're pretty baldy for opening up

1527
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: with one of our songs. But I'm really glad we did. No,

1528
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: I did it. Yeah, And I looked at their set

1529
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: list and he said I'd be We'd be honored. But

1530
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, I could tell that the other band guys

1531
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: were like drop and just said done. But I'm really

1532
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: happy that he let me do that because people knew

1533
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: the words to that song and after they sang that,

1534
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 1: it definitely loosened me up and I was I think

1535
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: I even said, like, all right, this is starting to

1536
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: actually be fun. I think I said that I'm anna,

1537
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: are you gonna get more? Have you got any more gigs?

1538
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 1: I have no more gigs. But what I what I

1539
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: did learn from this experience is that like if you

1540
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: put your mind to something, you can almost do anything

1541
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: if you really put your mind to it and dig down.

1542
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I had to deal with that little bit

1543
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: of anxiety, which I absolutely hate, and I knew I

1544
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: was maybe gonna have that. But the more you do

1545
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: this stuff, I feel like the more relaxed I'll get.

1546
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: And my goal now is two get good at guitar.

1547
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: Like before, I kind of skipped a whole bunch of stuff,

1548
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But you you have to

1549
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 1: learn your craft before you get fancy UM and I

1550
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: kind of ended up trying to get fancy. I think

1551
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: the quote is, um, learn to play guitar, then get sexy. Yes,

1552
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: I think that was given to It was either given

1553
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: or came from someone from UM. Leonard skinnered if I'm

1554
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: not mistaken. But I like to quote a lot, so

1555
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 1: I'm going to do more gigs. I actually had a

1556
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: great time and it was fun and there's so much

1557
01:31:56,120 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: room for improvement and so much like just playing that

1558
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: gig definitely helped me grow as a person um and

1559
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: like focus on the task at hand, good practice. It's

1560
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: just I don't know, it's a great experience and I'm

1561
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: gonna now get good at guitar because you're already sexy.

1562
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah right. Uh do you feel that there's like a

1563
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: compromise or a deal to be made between fishing and

1564
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: guitar playing? Who no, no, I'm gontai stay true deficient

1565
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: for sure. It's just like twenty minutes a day of

1566
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 1: good practice. There's a difference between going and playing that

1567
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: same song over and over. But if you like focus

1568
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: on let's say, cross picking or flat picking and just

1569
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 1: work on tech your picking technique for fifteen minutes a day,

1570
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 1: it's amazing. You want to be like Eddie van Halen.

1571
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 1: Doubt that, but definitely improvement, you know. And uh, all

1572
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 1: that said and done, Like appreciate my wife for being

1573
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 1: very supportive. And it's a real thing once you actually

1574
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: have a child and being gone and like missing them.

1575
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: It's like very nice and relaxing to be back in

1576
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: Bozeman and hanging out with Oscar and Danielle for the holidays.

1577
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people in the world that

1578
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 1: don't do anything that requires any kind of discipline. After

1579
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: a certain point in life, you just fall in the

1580
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: total automatic pilot. I feel like it's important no discipline.

1581
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: We got a lot of years left, all of us.

1582
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: Do you know, good for your brain to reading you're

1583
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: doing challenging stuff playing music because you fall into that,

1584
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: like the kind of metal space. Just watch one of

1585
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: those shows and they get people on stuck out of

1586
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: ditches all night long and your your brain pass he

1587
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 1: just goes down. Yeah, challenge yourself Chester, Do you feel

1588
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: like a different person in a way, like in terms

1589
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: of yourself identifying, Um, you know prior to guitar and

1590
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: then now, um, I don't know about prior to the guitar.

1591
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 1: After this show, I feel a little bit like I

1592
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 1: got done with that show, and I went in the

1593
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: crowd to give my aunt and uncle hug and there

1594
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 1: are people coming up to me wanting pictures, saying I

1595
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: did a great job. Saying they love me, Eaters saying

1596
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: they love the podcast. And still in my mind, I'm like,

1597
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just you know, I'm just chester Man. Like

1598
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 1: it's hard to you can legitimately use the word gig

1599
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: now like you're you're in, you can say, you can

1600
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: say it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't feel different.

1601
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: I feel enlightened in a way. Yeah, you're still opportunity

1602
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: to leave. Yes, that's the craziest thing. People like authenticity.

1603
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 1: You look at that ship paternity leave. Believe when I

1604
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: heard he came up in the wrong time. But it's

1605
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: times changed. It's like I've had nine months a kid.

1606
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: I missed out on nine months of just like dicking

1607
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: around all day long by not having well. And that's

1608
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 1: that's here in the States. If you lived in Latvia

1609
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: and there will be, it's gonna be mandatory soon for

1610
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 1: the dads to take off three months mandatory nine months

1611
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: of just doing nothing. Me nine months. No, what I'm saying,

1612
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: I had three kids. If I was, if I was

1613
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: coming up of age now, I would have enjoyed nine

1614
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: months of just whatever, have some more kids. But it's

1615
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 1: too late now, why I mean, maybe not six months

1616
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 1: it's two months. I think it's two, not three. Well,

1617
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: I think you can. I'm not quite sure. I think

1618
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: you can maybe do three if you need it, but

1619
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:00,040
Speaker 1: there might be some Well, when I found out about it,

1620
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 1: was perturbed what I did as I said, if it's

1621
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 1: three and three, I said, we should take one of

1622
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:07,839
Speaker 1: them from the guys and give it to the girls.

1623
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: Make it to four. Yeah, I just don't see why

1624
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 1: they're off, like, it's just not the same thing. You

1625
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 1: didn't have a baby, Yeah, yeah, but you could be

1626
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: the one who's staying home taking care of the baby.

1627
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 1: Come on, and a child, A child is not just

1628
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: raised by its mother. When I heard that it was

1629
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 1: three and three, I never followed up on it. I said,

1630
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be three and three, be four and two.

1631
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 1: They should guys should give one of theirs up for

1632
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: the girls. I agree. It is very very nice though,

1633
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: like being there for her, especially since it's our first kid,

1634
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 1: and learning how it all works and still being able

1635
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: to go do things on our own. I'm sure a

1636
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 1: lot of time as nice that that female is out

1637
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: of her work, out of the workforce, and not participating

1638
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: in her career for then an extra two months longer

1639
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,600
Speaker 1: than that male is they don't say you have to

1640
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 1: take it. That's that's true. You don't take any that's true.

1641
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 1: Let's move on. I'm excited to get back to work.

1642
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm not a policy guy that I'm excited to get

1643
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: back to work. But I tried to figure out. I

1644
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 1: try to figure out who said that quote, just because

1645
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 1: if you're good to know, because you like to say

1646
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: it and throw it around. I can't find it. But

1647
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 1: what this does tell me from doing this quick little

1648
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 1: Google search of putting that in there, is that playing

1649
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: or even just holding a guitar makes you sexy. The

1650
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: top the top six articles are apparently the matter Apparently

1651
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: this matters. Holding a guitar makes you sexy? Sexy mf

1652
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: by Prince the Guitar's power of seduction. Men who play

1653
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: guitar are instantly more attractive. It goes on and on.

1654
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Do you want me to tell you who told me

1655
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:58,720
Speaker 1: that quote? There's a writer name look him up? Does

1656
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 1: a writer named Paget Howell? M hmmm part of him?

1657
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: I act your Southerner. So the writer Paget Powell told

1658
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 1: me that, and I think he was friendly with the

1659
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Lenyard skinnerd Fellers. He told me that story so it

1660
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: might not be captured on the internet. Yeah, I think

1661
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 1: I got that from you, but I butchered the quote. Okay,

1662
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: you ready. I don't know. That's a tough one to follow,

1663
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: but I'll give him my best for you guys. Um, well,

1664
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 1: great year I had again, as I tend to have.

1665
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time I had a bad year.

1666
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: Because you're you're a half glass full exactly, You're nail

1667
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: your nail in the quotes today have class bowl, you

1668
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: only have half class always full. But I was born

1669
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: with a half glass. I was gonna recount in his Uh,

1670
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: who's my oldest daughter her first Latvian deer camp experience?

1671
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: And what I learned from that? And Uh, what's interesting

1672
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 1: about that is that I was just thinking as I

1673
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 1: was gathering notes in my head, is that that is

1674
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 1: The story starts about a year earlier when I was

1675
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 1: back in Wisconsin for the rifle hunt after already being

1676
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: there for a week archery hunting, and I was texting

1677
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: with Steve and he's like, where are you? I said,

1678
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean Wisconsin rifle deer hunting. He's like again, So yeah,

1679
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: he said, made sure to get to hunt a lot

1680
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: without your kids. I'm like, yeah, well, I'm not sure.

1681
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what I said. Well, okay, what

1682
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: did you say? I said, you get your kids with you. Okay,

1683
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: you got your kids with you, Which is kind of

1684
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: like you can say that same thing saying that you're

1685
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 1: hunting without your kids because you're at the Latvian family Camp.

1686
01:39:56,080 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 1: Uh are you're asking? So you thought that my kids

1687
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: would be with me? And I thought there was some

1688
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: talk of that, so well, I was talking at the

1689
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: at the time I was, and I was told you,

1690
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if it's a hundred percent

1691
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: cool to have females in this camp. It's always been

1692
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,879
Speaker 1: a male camp. And the one instance I can remember

1693
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: when a wife showed up it was and this was

1694
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: I was a long time ago. I was like, I

1695
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 1: remember there being some friction around this, and I later

1696
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,799
Speaker 1: found out that it wasn't because she was a female.

1697
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: That she was there. Being a female is because there

1698
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 1: are some other just drama amongst people like people like

1699
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 1: to do and that's what causes So I had nothing

1700
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: to do with her being But you read it one

1701
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: way at that, Yeah, sure, I was, you know, in

1702
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 1: my teens probably and uh so anyways, I asked if

1703
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: I could bring my oldest daughter that last year and

1704
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: everybody was like, yeah, for sure, bringer so it was

1705
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: unanimously supported. Yeah, totally. And uh at the time, I

1706
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 1: didn't think that I would have any sort of um,

1707
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, apprehension about it, but I did once. It

1708
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 1: was like, as the trip was kind of coming up.

1709
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 1: You know, it's no different than taking your wife out

1710
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,520
Speaker 1: on her first you know, hunter whatever, you start to

1711
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 1: get this apprehension of like you want everything to go right,

1712
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: you want the crew to accept who this new person

1713
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: that you're bringing in when you want Iena to be like,

1714
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 1: this is something I want to do the rest of

1715
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:31,599
Speaker 1: my life. Yea, pent so you're trying to make it great,

1716
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: you know. So I bought like a thousand it was.

1717
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 1: Of course, it hasn't been cold in Wisconsin for the

1718
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 1: only day of rifle season since I don't know when,

1719
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 1: and the forecast is like highs of sixteen Like oh boy,

1720
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 1: so but like a thousand handwarmers, body warmers, told warmers.

1721
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: My dad showed up with a blind had him get

1722
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 1: me one of the buddy heaters, and uh, I've never

1723
01:41:54,960 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 1: done that set up that works slick, so slick that iena. Um.

1724
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 1: We would get to the blind and get in there

1725
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 1: and get her pact full handwarmers and body warmers everywhere

1726
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 1: and get the buddy heat or going. She was wearing

1727
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 1: the first light sanctuary kit in like not even five minutes.

1728
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:15,679
Speaker 1: I'd look I'd be like, okay, cool, we're all setting.

1729
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 1: I'd look over and she's sleeping. I don't know how

1730
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: you could get so comfortable in one of those like

1731
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,560
Speaker 1: folding camp chairs, but yeah, she's snuggled right in and

1732
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: there'd be a solid ninety minutes. I'm like, well, this

1733
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 1: is great. The wind's right, it's very quiet. If a

1734
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 1: deer comes by, we'll get a shot. Um. She didn't

1735
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 1: get to see any deer the first morning because when

1736
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: I'd see them, I'd be like, she'd be like, you know,

1737
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: she'd there'd been barely any movement, no, no, no dear coming,

1738
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 1: you know, and by the time she'd actually wake up,

1739
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,679
Speaker 1: you know, open her eyes, you know, they'd be long gone.

1740
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 1: But she didn't get see any deer that day. Um.

1741
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,639
Speaker 1: But it was great because the we only hunted two days,

1742
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 1: where there maybe two and a half days, and it

1743
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 1: was great to see, Like the way everybody took care

1744
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:10,599
Speaker 1: of her, accepted her, you know, made her field part

1745
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 1: of the group. And the way that my daughter was

1746
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: able to just at eleven roll into you know, a

1747
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: deer camp with I think we had twelve or thirteen

1748
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 1: this year. You know, most she knew a couple of people,

1749
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 1: my brother was there, my dad was there, but you know,

1750
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 1: a do ten people that she's never met before and

1751
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:32,440
Speaker 1: just roll with the punches, you know, and be social

1752
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 1: and be comfortable and chit chat with everybody. Um. She

1753
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 1: enjoyed that part of it, the camaraderie as much as

1754
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: she did you know, being out in the woods with me,

1755
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 1: which was great to see, you know, and then go ahead,

1756
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: which is a big part of the Wisconsin deer culture exactly. Yeah.

1757
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: And that was gonna be a point I was gonna

1758
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: bring up too, is I realized this year, with having

1759
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: her there is how important that camp has been in

1760
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 1: my life and that experience, you know, and being able

1761
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: to go there not every year but off and on

1762
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 1: for you know, coming on forty years. Um, it's a

1763
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: pretty special deal. And you and you realize how many

1764
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 1: people don't have that, you know, like how many people

1765
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: haven't never even been to like a real deer camp

1766
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,600
Speaker 1: let alone for fifty years in a row, like some

1767
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,600
Speaker 1: of the people that you know go there have you know,

1768
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:25,679
Speaker 1: I mean there's a real connection there. And I think

1769
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 1: that you know, those bonds and friendships are in forms people,

1770
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's certainly that camp is influence

1771
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 1: who I am, you know, as a as a person. Um,

1772
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 1: it was cool to have three generations of potelis Is

1773
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 1: in one camp, you know, something I didn't you know,

1774
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: think about beforehand, but then being there and seeing my

1775
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 1: dad and me and my daughter, you know in a picture,

1776
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 1: it was it was a cool thing to see. Um,

1777
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: so great great weekend overall. Um, I guess I don't

1778
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 1: think there's a one general takeaway or thing I'll learn

1779
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: from it, but things that I'm reminded of that I

1780
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: try to live this and but it's hard to always

1781
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:11,520
Speaker 1: remember because, like you say, it's easy to go on autopilot.

1782
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 1: But you know, doing things that might make you feel

1783
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 1: nervous or difficult or whatever, it might be hard. If

1784
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 1: you just go and do them, you're gonna come out

1785
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 1: either side, you know, a better person probably, you know,

1786
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:29,759
Speaker 1: whether it's getting up and doing a show or taking

1787
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: your daughter into a you know, a camp full of

1788
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 1: men where for me personally, it would be a lot

1789
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 1: easier to go there without my kids hang out stress,

1790
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, not have that stress there and just be

1791
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 1: doing the old guy thing and you know, drinking a

1792
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 1: few extra beers whatever it might be. This is the

1793
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 1: harder version, but then in hindsight, it's like definitely the

1794
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: best version. You know, it could be the ass they are,

1795
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 1: but that brings up like the other sort of you know,

1796
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 1: take away from it, and it's, uh, the reap what

1797
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 1: you So, it's like we've done you're experiencing it too.

1798
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 1: I think Matt is finally getting there where he's not

1799
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 1: so much of paying the butt. My girls have really

1800
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 1: grown out of that completely. Oh yeah, my kids are

1801
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 1: all rational now. It's fun. It's paying the butt. It's

1802
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:22,719
Speaker 1: like paying the button. It's a lot of wet, muddy stuff,

1803
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:27,599
Speaker 1: you know, but it's great. I mean, it's just there's

1804
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 1: no relax. There's no relax. Still isn't no relax. Rea, Well,

1805
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm starting to like I'm starting to reap a little

1806
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:37,679
Speaker 1: bit of relax and just get to enjoy their company

1807
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 1: and then enjoy and just see like all that time

1808
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 1: and effort that we put into which hasn't when you

1809
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: look back at now, when you're in the mix of it,

1810
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, it's never gonna end. Now

1811
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 1: looking back on it, you wish you had more years

1812
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 1: doing it, because it's over and those ten years have

1813
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 1: flown by. You know that we put all this effort

1814
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 1: into it, and you've sort of now created these you know,

1815
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: not quite adult humans, but getting there, and uh, they

1816
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: are who they are, you know, and so it's it's

1817
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 1: it's cool to sit back and go, oh, yeah, it

1818
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 1: all it worked. You know. I'm glad we spent more

1819
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 1: time reading and less time on tablets. And I'm glad

1820
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 1: that we said no so many times and taught him

1821
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:21,759
Speaker 1: to be polite and taught them to talk to adults

1822
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:26,679
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be, just general raising adults. Um.

1823
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 1: I heard a quote the other day, I can't remember

1824
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 1: who said it. She said, I never raised any kids,

1825
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: I was raising adults. I like that, thinking you're not

1826
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 1: really raising kids, right. I think one of the and

1827
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 1: that thing, I think one of the best strategies I've had,

1828
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 1: like one of the things that we've done that that

1829
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: paid off. The best is I always make my kids

1830
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: go up and shake people's hands, introduced themselves. Always huge impact.

1831
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't come naturally. No, it doesn't know they're going

1832
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 1: to be able to learn to go in and shake

1833
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 1: someone's hand and say what their name is and asking

1834
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 1: what their name is. Yeah, you know these not like

1835
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 1: it now, they just do it. Yeah, are they going

1836
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,719
Speaker 1: to do yourself? No, I've been there plenty of times

1837
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 1: for that. When you do that with your kids, and uh,

1838
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:17,200
Speaker 1: I feel nervous for the kids. You're I gotta go

1839
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 1: back for a set. You're still not like relaxing at all. No, No,

1840
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: with all three when they're all to gather, all three

1841
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 1: of them know, yes, well what day it was? Sunday?

1842
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: We got a good Christmas tree okay, and we did

1843
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,559
Speaker 1: like I said, we did an extreme Christmas tree hunt.

1844
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 1: We saw trees never before seen by man, trophies trophy. However,

1845
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:44,759
Speaker 1: I don't the gear management. I don't understand. Yeah, well yeah,

1846
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean like this super slick hillside covered in powder

1847
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: snow and they're sliding down and we haven't started hunting

1848
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: trees yet. If you're like, you're not allowed to have

1849
01:48:57,439 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 1: while we're out now where this is gonna land. I

1850
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: know what it's gonna land. I know that one's gonna

1851
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 1: be crying because he's cold. Because he's cold and he

1852
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 1: got Michael. I just want to give him my gloves.

1853
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: Then I just want to know my hands are cold.

1854
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 1: You're supposed to bring extra hats and neckid you honest,

1855
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get to the relaxation stage a little bit. Man,

1856
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 1: You'll get there, don't worry. I love it. There's nothing

1857
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 1: to rather do. It's the only time I don't feel

1858
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 1: guilty in my life because you're with your kids. Because

1859
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm doing all the things I'm supposed to do.

1860
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm not wasting my life. I'm doing what I want

1861
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 1: to do, and then they're there, so I'm not being

1862
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 1: like a bad dad. It's the only time I'm happy.

1863
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 1: I was kind. I just want to drop one more

1864
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: thing because axcid of funny. I was over over analyzing

1865
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: the hunting because I was trying to get us success,

1866
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I wanted I had to, you know,

1867
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 1: see see a kill, and which brings up another thing

1868
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 1: with two because I'm like, well, you know, I'm only

1869
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 1: gonna shoot like a you know nice buck know, and

1870
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:01,720
Speaker 1: should we shoot a deal or not? We can go

1871
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,760
Speaker 1: back to Montana and shoot does And I hadn't really

1872
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: asked her, but on the last evening when we're like

1873
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 1: watching some deer run around in front of her, She's like,

1874
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 1: I'd be happy if you shot anything. And of course

1875
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: then I didn't have another opportunity, and so whatever. She

1876
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: she wasn't bummed out about it. But as we're hunting along,

1877
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to include her in the process. Where do

1878
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:23,719
Speaker 1: you think we should go? Did you like that spot

1879
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 1: where we were yesterday morning? You know, the wind's doing this,

1880
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 1: the deer should be better at this. I'm just like, hey,

1881
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 1: do you have any input at all? Her answer every

1882
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 1: single time is there gonna be action there. Let's go

1883
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 1: where the action, don't I'm like, and it did hit me.

1884
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's right, keep it simple, stupid, just like,

1885
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 1: go where the action is. And we did. We literally

1886
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 1: went to the spot where, even though someone had already

1887
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 1: shot a buck out of there, there was a bunch

1888
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,719
Speaker 1: of tracks in that zone. People had seen deer in there,

1889
01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: like the cameras had picked up a you know, a

1890
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 1: few pictures of deer, and we went there in old

1891
01:51:01,080 --> 01:51:03,599
Speaker 1: we got to watch two bucks fight and another one

1892
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 1: messing around, and they all chased one doll around for

1893
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes. It's quite the wildlife encounter. You know

1894
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:15,639
Speaker 1: what's good? Yeah, there you go. There's my uh advice

1895
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 1: or three go where the action is. Yeah, I like that,

1896
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 1: or be a good dad too. Here's here's my thing.

1897
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 1: It's not that monumental, but just as something that stays

1898
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:28,880
Speaker 1: in my head early and let me back up, let

1899
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 1: me back up. In Michigan, I was I like to

1900
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 1: trap a whole bunch growing up, and um was real

1901
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,240
Speaker 1: heavy duty and new I thought that's all I was

1902
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 1: gonna do for a living. And you were allowed to

1903
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 1: catch a bobcat and quite a ways, yeah, our drive

1904
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:44,920
Speaker 1: had you had to go about an hour hour and

1905
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 1: a half north where you're allowed a bobcat, and um,

1906
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 1: I never did it because those Michigan bobcasts are not

1907
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 1: valuable at all. So like bobcats in the high like

1908
01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 1: high planes bobcats or you know, great Basin bobcats they

1909
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 1: might be like five six hundred bucks, they're like fifteen

1910
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: dollars in Michigan. They don't have the white belly there's

1911
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 1: dingy um. So never could justify because I would just

1912
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 1: catch stuff to sell it and it wasn't valuable. One

1913
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 1: time though I was this most have been in ninety four.

1914
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: I think I would go up to Macosta County, a

1915
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 1: big rap is Michigan. We trapped beaver through the ice

1916
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:34,799
Speaker 1: after everything froze up so late December January, trapped muskrats

1917
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 1: and beaver through the ice. And I was on this

1918
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 1: big marsh and there's all these beaver lodges, three or

1919
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 1: four beaver lodges through this big marsh in one day

1920
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: walking along where I had sets, and this bobcat had

1921
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,680
Speaker 1: walked from lodge to lodge like on our tracks. And

1922
01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:55,560
Speaker 1: I had laid a beaver down in the ice. And

1923
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 1: when something drowns, it will bleed out its nose a

1924
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: little bit. I had laid a beaver around the ice,

1925
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 1: and it had left a little blood patch that bobcat

1926
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:08,040
Speaker 1: had kind of like walked around smelling that blood patch.

1927
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 1: And uh, I thought from then on always about how

1928
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 1: like it just seemed mysterious. I was wanting to catch

1929
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: a bobcat. And then I promptly moved away, left left

1930
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:24,679
Speaker 1: the area. Thought and thought, thought, about it, and last

1931
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 1: year right in January trying to think. No, I can't

1932
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 1: remember December January. Either way, it went out and spent

1933
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 1: a week trying to catch a bobcat for like seven days.

1934
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 1: I didn't catch one. Then last year in January, I

1935
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 1: caught one on accident in a Martin set. So he

1936
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,160
Speaker 1: got caught one of my Martin boxes and I didn't

1937
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:54,720
Speaker 1: know it. I get into my Martin box and the

1938
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 1: traps out, all kinds of branches are broken, and there's

1939
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:03,760
Speaker 1: white fur in the trap, and am I try to think,

1940
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 1: what the hell would have done that, you know? And

1941
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 1: I thought maybe like a weasel and something to ate it.

1942
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:09,360
Speaker 1: But there's no blood, there's no nothing, And I just

1943
01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:11,760
Speaker 1: wrote it off like a mystery you'll never solve. I

1944
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 1: go to the next Martin box fifty yards away in

1945
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: the area is dead and your door nill. He like

1946
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 1: crammed his hand his head, like he had to squeeze

1947
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:26,800
Speaker 1: his head into that thing, gets caught. Um, how unsatisfying

1948
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:32,360
Speaker 1: to catch him by accident. I'm glad, I was glad.

1949
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got him. I got him registered. He's

1950
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 1: hanging to my office. But um, like the role of

1951
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:44,080
Speaker 1: luck and intention man so unsatisfying. I didn't even kind

1952
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:52,800
Speaker 1: of scratch the itch. Are you it's not getting the bobcat? Yeah,

1953
01:54:53,400 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 1: it's on whose terms you're you know what I mean? Yeah? Completely,

1954
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like the same way you used

1955
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 1: to say, like getting a something that it's been collared,

1956
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 1: that somebody's already gotten it before on accident? Are you

1957
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna get back at the bob yea? On purpose? It's

1958
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:19,960
Speaker 1: like it never happened, but as it trap, I was glad.

1959
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, but no I wasn't.

1960
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 1: It was like it was honestly, it was the most

1961
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: mixed It was the most mixed emotion feeling. It was

1962
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 1: more like I was watching it happened to someone else.

1963
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: But as a trapper, I've been thinking about that all years.

1964
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 1: But as a trapper, you it's like bound happened that bycatch.

1965
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 1: But it's like there's certain things that I just was

1966
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 1: there's a thing I wanted to do and haven't done it,

1967
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:46,320
Speaker 1: and then I did it on an accident. It just

1968
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: kills me. Chest A wold be kind of like if

1969
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:52,600
Speaker 1: you're at fishing for perch nine ten inch perch and

1970
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:55,720
Speaker 1: shipped into a ten pound walley Yeah, like you're doing

1971
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing in the world, you're doing the least

1972
01:55:57,680 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 1: Walleye thing in the world, and you catch a state

1973
01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 1: record Walleye and then don't you just experience that as

1974
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: a really nice surprise. I've been trying for a year.

1975
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 1: I still can't get there. When I walk I walk

1976
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,600
Speaker 1: out of my office, I see that Bob Kat hanging there.

1977
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 1: You think at a point of just be glee. I

1978
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 1: see that Bob Kat hanging there, and I still stings me.

1979
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 1: A year later, I totally get that. That makes sense. Yeah,

1980
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got it. I don't want it to

1981
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:32,240
Speaker 1: go away. I'm glad I got it every single time

1982
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:36,360
Speaker 1: I look at it. It's not a you know, it's

1983
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 1: like you know on accident Blind Squirrel to make you

1984
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 1: be like a suck at Bobcat track. No, it just

1985
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 1: it's like, um, yeah, but you know what, it gave

1986
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 1: you a good story, and you got a good story

1987
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 1: out of the deal. I feel like it's how people

1988
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:55,680
Speaker 1: to inherit a lot of money feel when they look

1989
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:58,560
Speaker 1: like if you made a lot of money through entrepreneurial

1990
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 1: ship and risk, you're looking at big fat bank account.

1991
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:05,280
Speaker 1: You're probably like, hell, yeah you did that. But if

1992
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 1: you like, if you just got it like from your grandpa,

1993
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, like generational, Well, yeah, you're probably looking at

1994
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 1: any like and then you look at that. Yeah you

1995
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 1: don't look at it. You're not like yeah, yeah, you're

1996
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know kind of felt I when you

1997
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 1: set that trap. Bobcats were the first thing from your mind, right,

1998
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't think a bobcat could fit his head, right,

1999
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 1: So I get it. I don't think he thought he's

2000
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: gonna fit his head. And if you were playing like

2001
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:32,320
Speaker 1: a one on one golf game with Tiger Woods and

2002
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 1: it was neck and neck up until the end, and

2003
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 1: then Tiger was just swings and misses and lands on

2004
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:38,520
Speaker 1: his ass and ships his pants, and you're like, oh,

2005
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 1: I guess I win. But like Tiger Woods probably shouldn't

2006
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 1: have fallen down or he had a stroke and you

2007
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 1: beat him. It's not a stroke like a stroke like

2008
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 1: a swing. Yeah, yeah, I got it. It's like you

2009
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 1: didn't sink the long puppet he three putted. Yeah. Yeah.

2010
01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 1: It still kills me every time I look at him.

2011
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got him. He's beautiful. Yeah, but it's

2012
01:57:56,360 --> 01:57:58,720
Speaker 1: not and I'm saying, we're doing a fundraiser dinner, and

2013
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, um, We're doing in a fundraiser dinner, and

2014
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm cooking that bobcat up I got was too little,

2015
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 1: two little legs and throws up. Ye had four safe.

2016
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,280
Speaker 1: I did some gumbo with my bobcat. It was delicious,

2017
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 1: is it? That's another cool thing about bobcats, Like you

2018
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 1: catch kyo. You know, I've I've learned my lesson. I'm

2019
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 1: eating kyos. But bobcats people, people enjoy them. Oh yeah,

2020
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:28,240
Speaker 1: they're tasty. Man, Gumbo sounds good right about now. There's

2021
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:29,840
Speaker 1: the season. So I'm trying to take a word that

2022
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 1: leaves people confused. If you're going after something and it

2023
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 1: doesn't work out the way you plan, just keep on trucking. Yeah,

2024
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:44,800
Speaker 1: be um, you know what it is. Don't take credit

2025
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 1: for something you didn't do. Take care of your daughter,

2026
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 1: but when lots of rock and roll, but when luck

2027
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 1: shines upon you. And if you take your wife hunt

2028
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:05,280
Speaker 1: and don't freak out on her, it's m h. And

2029
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 1: make your kids always make your kids feel real awkward.

2030
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:10,480
Speaker 1: Make him go, introduce them cells to people. Calm down,

2031
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 1: Calm down, out of the room to just make him

2032
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:15,200
Speaker 1: come downstairs, just introduce them cells to someone. It'll pay off.

2033
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm just it'll play off. I'm Steve. I'm just picturing

2034
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:21,920
Speaker 1: Matt doing that though, like kind of like regretting. Like

2035
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 1: he gets in there, he gets it done. Man, he

2036
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 1: does a good job. Just fight two. Someone rings the

2037
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:29,400
Speaker 1: doorbell one of the kids lives, run over where they

2038
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 1: can see, and I'll be watching from this, going to

2039
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 1: just stand there looking out. I'm like, well, now what happens?

2040
01:59:40,720 --> 01:59:43,360
Speaker 1: You go and bite them in, you know. It's kind

2041
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 1: of like the is this the Ranella household? No? Yeah,

2042
01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:54,000
Speaker 1: they race over and look at the person through the window.

2043
01:59:56,720 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 1: Happy New Year. I'm trying to think of one of

2044
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 1: legiti really like what I'm gonna do. As much as

2045
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:04,040
Speaker 1: I hate resolutions, I'm trying to think what I'm legitimately

2046
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:08,640
Speaker 1: gonna do. Catch a bob cat. I mean, like like

2047
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:11,440
Speaker 1: in terms of personal behavior, I'm gonna trying not to

2048
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 1: freak out of my kids as much. Mm hmm. That's

2049
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:20,840
Speaker 1: a good one. Every year, hard, hard, hard when you're

2050
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:22,880
Speaker 1: trying to freak out on him as much. My dad

2051
02:00:22,920 --> 02:00:24,280
Speaker 1: freaked out him me all the time. It's like in

2052
02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:28,560
Speaker 1: my blood. It's gonna be a good year. It's gonna

2053
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:32,280
Speaker 1: be a good year. Mm hmm. Make it a good year.

2054
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:36,640
Speaker 1: There you go with Chester. Alright, but happy happy New year, ma'am.

2055
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:40,600
Speaker 1: Don't take credit for something you didn't do. Thanks, but

2056
02:00:40,720 --> 02:01:05,600
Speaker 1: get a tanned Definitely get a be appreciative set