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Speaker 1: Because they gave all that money to the LAPD when

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Speaker 1: what's the hull, Matt? This is part two. I don't

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Speaker 1: We're reading some books because I need a little bit

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Speaker 1: but this helps out. So I'm going to be reading

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Speaker 1: you a story, another little book, a canticle for Matt Lebowitz,

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Speaker 1: Matt Libowitz, I'm do you get my canticle for Lebelwitz, Joe.

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Speaker 1: to bring them to you. It's your package. No, it's yours.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, I said. Planning my exit strategy, I figured

438
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Speaker 1: I could leave the package in the hallway on the

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Speaker 1: way out. The old man's caretaker would find it. What's

440
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Speaker 1: in the package? I asked, hoping to get past an

441
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Speaker 1: awkward moment. It's the answer to your question. I wasn't

442
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Speaker 1: expecting to be exactly yeah, it's this. So like the

443
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Speaker 1: gist is that the avatar is doing this like very

444
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Speaker 1: frustrating faux smart like, oh, did you deliver the package

445
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Speaker 1: or did the package deliver you because you wouldn't have

446
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: come here if not. Well, actually, like I came here

447
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Speaker 1: because it's my job and I have to make rent.

448
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: But whatever, we went through over this in the episodes,

449
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Speaker 1: it's very frustrating.

450
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Speaker 2: Let's mind jiu jitsu, we like to call it. In

451
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Speaker 2: smart guy circles.

452
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Speaker 1: The delivery man's mind has been tickled by the avatars

453
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Speaker 1: brilliant who delivered the package? Used the baggage?

454
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Speaker 2: Who's on first? And I'm thinking that she's saying who,

455
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Speaker 2: But it's our guy? Is our guy? Name who? It's

456
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Speaker 2: just it's spoilers.

457
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Speaker 1: This whole thing is a Socratic dialogue, so the whole

458
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Speaker 1: plot is just the two of them talking in a room,

459
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Speaker 1: which is why this will be shorter than our than

460
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Speaker 1: the epic about the religion war.

461
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Speaker 2: But let's uh, I just want to I just want

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Speaker 2: to come back.

463
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Speaker 3: I was muted, but like a minute and a half ago,

464
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Speaker 3: Matt made Matt made a funny and I want to

465
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Speaker 3: acknowledge that.

466
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Speaker 2: What was it? I went, I gave you like a.

467
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Speaker 3: And you didn't get to hear it because I was muted, So.

468
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Speaker 2: I wanted to come back to give it to you.

469
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Speaker 2: I don't know what I said, but smart guys, and

470
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Speaker 2: I was like, hell yeah, man, hell yeah for you, Yeah,

471
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: for you. I like when people I just love it.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

473
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Speaker 1: We're not telling you the listener what the joke was

474
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Speaker 1: that made her laugh? Yeah, nobody know what he's saying.

475
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Speaker 2: Ship. Yeah it made you laugh.

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let us let us know which joke you think

477
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Speaker 1: Sophie was laughing at.

478
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Speaker 2: I need a Sophie in my life, man. I need

479
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Speaker 2: someone who's just like be like, hey, by the way,

480
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Speaker 2: a few minutes ago, you fucking killed that. H Yeah.

481
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I do that to people and I'm just lying,

482
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Speaker 1: you know, and then they wonder for the rest of

483
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Speaker 1: their lives, like what it was they said that was

484
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Speaker 1: smart or funny, and they think I'm being nice so

485
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Speaker 1: they like me, but I'm really just gaslighting, Like I'm

486
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Speaker 1: actually just trying to damage their brains?

487
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Speaker 2: Are you? Are you? The avatar is you? And the

488
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Speaker 2: avatar is a fun can prick.

489
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Speaker 3: It's time for ads, I think.

490
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Speaker 1: Sophie, you know what is the avatar of capitalism is

491
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Speaker 1: the sponsors of behind the Bastards.

492
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Speaker 3: You know, unless you have cooler zone media then ha haha, No.

493
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Speaker 2: Then you get it free, no ads, haah paying.

494
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Speaker 1: Us money to listen to this ad free on cooler

495
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Speaker 1: Zone Media is equivalent to being chosen by the avatar

496
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Speaker 1: during your delivery drive.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more.

498
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Speaker 2: To inherit his wisdom. So yeah, you know packages for you.

499
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Speaker 1: If you subscribe to cooler Zone Media, you can pretend

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Speaker 1: that Matt Leeb and I invited you into our home

501
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: that we share together in order to teach you our

502
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Speaker 1: wisdom in front of a crackling fire. You're allowed to

503
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Speaker 1: do that.

504
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Speaker 2: And our wisdom is just doing Abbot and Costello bits. Yeah, well,

505
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Speaker 2: you do them smart.

506
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: I do them badly because I can only kind of

507
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Speaker 1: remember who's on first, and I think the Mummy movie

508
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Speaker 1: they were in, that's all.

509
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: I got. The Mommy movie. That's the real smart guy movie.

510
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I watched part of that one morning when

511
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: I got up early to watch the the CGI Starship

512
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Speaker 1: Troopers show that was only on on like six am

513
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Speaker 1: back in the Yeah. Anyway, great, great show, both of them,

514
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: both of them, and we're back, Matt. Did you ever

515
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Speaker 1: watch the CGI Starship Troopers show?

516
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Speaker 4: No?

517
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Speaker 2: I didn't even really know nobody saw. Yeah what was

518
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Speaker 2: Was it also a satire? Or were they like?

519
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Speaker 1: No, it was like pretty close to the aspects of

520
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Speaker 1: the book. It was closer to the book than the show,

521
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Speaker 1: but also did its own thing. I haven't watched it

522
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: in twenty five years, but I remember it being pretty cool.

523
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: That said, it was easier to impress me.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is before you saw Gotzi and

525
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: mister Hands.

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Speaker 1: This was right around when I saw gots This was

527
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Speaker 1: probably before mister Hans though, Okay it is. I do

528
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Speaker 1: wonder what it did to me and so many other

529
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: members of my generation. Just like watching a video where

530
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Speaker 1: a man gets fucked to death by a horse as

531
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Speaker 1: a little kid, it did something to me, and because

532
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Speaker 1: like somebody tricked me into watching it, right, because yeah,

533
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: just like huh.

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely for me, I was just like, all right,

535
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Speaker 2: so avoid horses, so avoid horses. Yeah.

536
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Speaker 1: Well it was also this thing where like it was

537
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Speaker 1: the first thing I can remember where I was like, well,

538
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Speaker 1: I probably can't talk to my parents about this, Like

539
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Speaker 1: if I if I ask them about this video, I'm

540
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Speaker 1: not going to be allowed on the internet anymore.

541
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Speaker 2: Right exactly, I'm just keeping this one from them, right, Yeah, yeah,

542
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Speaker 2: it was. In fact, I think I did the exact

543
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Speaker 2: same thing and I'm not sure, but I low key

544
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Speaker 2: blamed that for my eventual drug addiction, because eventually I

545
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Speaker 2: started keeping more secrets like first mister Hands than it

546
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Speaker 2: was Tobgirl. Then it was delauded. You know, That's how

547
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Speaker 2: it goes.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine dying to ask your parents about Tubgirl.

549
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: Or Lemon Party?

550
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Speaker 1: Holy shit, I don't even know. I don't even know

551
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Speaker 1: how to describe that to the listener. Well, Lemon Party

552
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: is a bunch of old people, Evan's energy. I'm not

553
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Speaker 1: going to try to describe Tubgirl. You don't need that

554
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Speaker 1: in your head if you haven't already seen it. If

555
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Speaker 1: you have, then you just the minute I said the words,

556
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Speaker 1: Even if you don't have a visual memory, a perfectly

557
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Speaker 1: clear photo of it popped up in your head, like

558
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Speaker 1: if you're driving, you just veered off the fucking road

559
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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and we're sorry about that, Barl apologizable for it. Legally,

561
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Speaker 2: it's not our fault. We are safe from legal Who

562
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Speaker 2: was it?

563
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Speaker 1: What was it that made used to make web forums?

564
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Speaker 1: What was the PHP or something like that. I forget

565
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Speaker 1: the name of the online underlying software? Whatever, fuck it, it

566
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Chapter two after this, uh, this delivery boys

567
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Speaker 1: decided to stay and talk to the Avatar. Is your

568
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Speaker 1: free will? Do you believe in God? The old man asked,

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Speaker 1: as if we had known each other forever but had

570
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Speaker 1: somehow neglected to discuss that one time topic.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but this is like everything. It's like he

572
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: saw the Matrix. Yeah, they really only like the scene

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Speaker 2: where they're sitting on the leather couches, and he was

574
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Speaker 2: like that whole Let's make that the whole book. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's also like, you know, this is I'm actually the

576
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Speaker 1: way I'm doing it it is more earned than the

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Speaker 1: fucking way he wrote it. Because this is the first

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Speaker 1: book in the series. We know nothing about the Avatar.

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Speaker 1: There's no like when you get that scene. Exposition dumps

580
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Speaker 1: are always kind of a dicey thing in fiction, right,

581
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: it's an easy to make that kind of like shitty writing.

582
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Speaker 1: Like you have to be very careful with it, and

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Speaker 1: that's why we remember stuff like that scene in The

584
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: Matrix because it's earned pretty well. But like a, you

585
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: are as hungry for Neo for answers to those questions

586
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: as as he is when we get to that point.

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Speaker 1: This is just like, none of this is earned. I

588
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: don't care what this old man has to say. He's

589
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Speaker 1: done nothing to impress me. He has not set up

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Speaker 1: that he knows. Again, even a slightly better version of

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Speaker 1: this would have, like their be a conflict that he's solved,

592
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Speaker 1: maybe like the one that we get in the religion war,

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Speaker 1: and then you know we but even then, I'm not

594
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Speaker 1: that interested in this old man but either.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so far, all that he has done is irritate. Yeah,

596
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: he's irritated cost a young man is job. Yeah, he's

597
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Speaker 2: basically going to get this man fired all to do

598
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Speaker 2: like a thing where he's like, oh, thanks for the package, here,

599
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Speaker 2: I give it to you now. And now he's trying

600
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Speaker 2: to convince him that he's smart, and it's, uh, I

601
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Speaker 2: don't know. It's like he's missing the whole part of

602
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Speaker 2: the matrix where there was like fucking thirty minutes of

603
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Speaker 2: movie before that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they start this very irritating conversation where the

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Speaker 1: avatar asks do you believe in God? And the delivery

606
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Speaker 1: guy says, yeah, I believe in a god. Of course

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Speaker 1: there must be a god. Not because he believes in

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Speaker 1: a god, but because he thinks that he's an old

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Speaker 1: man and he wants reassurance about the afterlife. So the

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Speaker 1: avatar then is like, do you think God is omnipotent

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Speaker 1: and you know he has free will and that people

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Speaker 1: have free will? And the guy's like, yeah, sure, And

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Speaker 1: then the avatar says the question that I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Most people ask themselves when they're thirteen. If God knows

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Speaker 1: what the future holds, then all our choices are already made,

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Speaker 1: aren't they. Free will must be an illusion, he was clever,

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Speaker 1: But I wasn't going to fall into that trap. God

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Speaker 1: lets us determine the future ourselves using our free will,

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Speaker 1: I explained. Then you believe God doesn't know the future,

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Speaker 1: I guess not, I admitted, But he must prefer not knowing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not necessarily the case. Like again, I

622
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Speaker 1: don't believe in an omniscient God. But if God is omniscient,

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Speaker 1: he can let people make their own choices while also

624
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Speaker 1: knowing the instant they make them where those choices go.

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Speaker 1: Those are not actually in conflict.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Here's a good example of that. If you watch a baby,

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Speaker 1: as many of us have, touch a hot burner on

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Speaker 1: a stove. You know the baby's gonna hurt themselves, right,

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Speaker 1: But they are still exercising their free will and touching

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Speaker 1: that burner.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and God is letting it happen. God, is

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Speaker 2: that's the reason why my baby keeps burning herself. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I tell her it's not me, it's God as I

635
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Speaker 2: put her hand on the just kidding everyone, my baby.

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Speaker 2: Don't hurt a baby.

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Speaker 1: But I will say I can't not whenever I listen

638
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Speaker 1: to these atheist arguments because I was raised Robert, don't.

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Speaker 2: Hurt a baby, But no, I want to hear the butt.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with it.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying if you, if you are trying to make

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Speaker 1: like an argument for the existence of God, and someone's

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Speaker 1: counter argument is like, well, God can't be both all

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Speaker 1: powerful and all knowing and give us free will? Like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: free will doesn't. Like your free will is not impacted

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Speaker 1: by the fact that God knows what you're going to do.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you don't have free will. It just

649
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Speaker 1: means he knows what you're going to do, just like

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Speaker 1: I know the kid reaching for the stove is about

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Speaker 1: to touch it and get hurt, right, I haven't. I'm

652
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Speaker 1: not impacting his free will by the fact that I

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Speaker 1: know where this ends.

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Speaker 2: You know also trying to figure out like the fucking

655
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Speaker 2: like intricacies of the rules of God is some nerd.

656
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: It's always it's always there. But this is like, I've

657
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: had a lot of arguments with religious people over the years.

658
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: This is a bad one from an atheist point of view.

659
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: This does not make the point that you want it

660
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: to make. Yeah, so, but this dude, the delivery man

661
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: just folds and is like, Oh, I guess God can't

662
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: know everything if people have free will, and I believe

663
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Speaker 1: that people have free will. So the avatar asks for

664
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Speaker 1: whose benefit does God withhold his power to determine the future? Well,

665
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: it must be for his own benefit in ours too,

666
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: I reasoned, he wouldn't have to settle for less. The

667
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: old man pressed on, couldn't God just give humans the

668
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: illusion of free will? We'd be just as happy if

669
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Speaker 1: we had actual free will, and God would retain his

670
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: ability to see the future. Isn't that a better solution

671
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: for God than the one you suggested? Why would God

672
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: want to mislead us? If God exists, his motives are

673
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: certainly unfathomable. No one knows why he igrants free will,

674
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: or why he cares about human souls or why pain

675
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: and suffering are necessary parts of life. Actually, again, I

676
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: hate that I'm ind the deficient decision now of like

677
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: defending Christianity, But like libraries have been written of guys

678
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: like this is a huge, huge part of apologetics is

679
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: like the problem of like, you know, paying an evil

680
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: and whatnot in the world. And again, Scott, if you

681
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: wanted to make the smart argument to this, and you

682
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: want to make this character seem smart, you could do

683
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds of googling to find like, what did you know?

684
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: What did like C.

685
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: S Lewis say about the problem of evil? Right? You

686
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: don't even have to go to like a religious scholar,

687
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: find another fucking hack writer. Sorry, guys, if you see

688
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: s Lewis fans I loved him too as a kid.

689
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: But find a C.

690
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: S Lewis argument on this quote from that, and then

691
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: your character seems smarter and you have something to bounce

692
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: off of that's not a straw man, right, Like.

693
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that Dilbert guy is not like a

694
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: big reader of other guys. He wills guys who I

695
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: think is just like, why would I need to read

696
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: when all the smartest things are already written in my brain?

697
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: If you were to tell him. Actually, a massive amount

698
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: of like Catholic literature over the course of the last

699
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: thousand years has like been people positing answers to those questions. Yeah,

700
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Speaker 1: he would just get angry you.

701
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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, you would yell at you and then say, oh,

702
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: I guess you're trying to be woke.

703
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: And then then you would tell him Turkey exists, and

704
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: he was His brain would catch on fire.

705
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: So fast in a skull. Once you learned about the

706
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: existence of Turkey, this guy is gonna have a wow.

707
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: And here's if you're If you're frustrated with me defending Christians,

708
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'm about to get to defend brain surgeons.

709
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: So uh.

710
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: He starts talking about love, and the delivery boy says,

711
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: the one thing I know about God's motives that he

712
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: must is he must love us, right, The avatar responds, love.

713
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: Do you mean love and the way you understand it

714
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: as a human? Well, not exactly, but basically the same

715
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: thing I mean love is love. A brain surgeon would

716
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: tell you that a specific part of the brain controls

717
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Speaker 1: the ability to love. If it's damaged, people are incapable

718
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Speaker 1: of love and capable of carrying about others.

719
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Speaker 2: I don't.

720
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Speaker 1: I think a brain surgeon would say that the brain

721
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: is pretty plastic and that people have suffered very traumatic

722
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: brain injuries and retain their ability to love.

723
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Speaker 2: Also they sometimes their personality shift.

724
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Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, I don't think they'd phrase

725
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: it that way if they were a good surgeon.

726
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: This is like a guy who literally knows absolutely nothing

727
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 2: about the human brain. But it's just like, no, brain

728
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: is exactly like computer, you get rid of love program

729
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: and then no more love. It's like not how a

730
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Speaker 2: brain works.

731
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Speaker 1: No, it's also like again, this is the dumb version

732
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Speaker 1: of it, because he just did he doesn't even look

733
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: up like what science there is chemically on what goes

734
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: on when we experience what we call love. Again, the

735
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: slightly smarter version of this is you like have some

736
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: sort of little rant about how well the release of

737
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Speaker 1: oxytocin in the brain is what causes what we call

738
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Speaker 1: love and if you damage that then like people can't like.

739
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: And that's not entirely accurate either, but it's at least

740
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Speaker 1: slightly smarter than just the region of the brain. Yes, whatever,

741
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: fuck you, Scott, Google something this isn't this isn't complicate

742
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: We're not talking about jar or Tolkien writing a billion

743
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: words of backstory in his fucking like Oxford office. We're

744
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: talking like I'm talking about a region's probably Google for

745
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: the name of that region of the brain. I want

746
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: this guy to sound smart, right, let me let me

747
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: look this up. Oh it turns out out anyway.

748
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: Whatever, No fucking way that he is doing any research

749
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: for this a book that he wrote in a conversation

750
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: by himself, painting him as the smartest man in the world.

751
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean again, let's be real. You want to punch

752
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: this up to be better. We're talking forty five minutes

753
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: of extra research, not a lot. Do all Muslims believe

754
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: the same thing? Oh, there's actually differences, but.

755
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, no, but they have to get into and stuff.

756
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: It's just trying to prepare propel a story forward and

757
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: as a story about smart guy who uses fart joke

758
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: to kill God.

759
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 1: Smart guys fart joke kill God.

760
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: Good stuff.

761
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 1: So yeah, So isn't it arrogant to think that love

762
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: is generated by our little in our little brains? Is

763
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Speaker 1: the same thing in omnipotent being experiences. If you were omnipotent,

764
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Speaker 1: why would you limit yourself to something that could be

765
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Speaker 1: reproduced by a little clump of neurons. I shifted my

766
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: opinion to better defend it. We must feel something similar

767
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: to God's type of love, but not the same way

768
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: God feels it. What does it mean to feel similar

769
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: to the way God feels Is that like saying a

770
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: pepple is similar to the son because both are around Again,

771
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a pedant here, but there

772
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: are different shapes of pebbles.

773
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Speaker 2: Scott, pebbles are all over the map. They're all over

774
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: the map. I've seen a lot.

775
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: I saw a rectangular prism pebble the other day. You know,

776
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: come on, Scott, Adam. Sorry, I am now being a pedant,

777
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: but I hate him. He's irritating me. So maybe God

778
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: designed our brains to feel love the same way he

779
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: feels it. He could do that if he wanted to.

780
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: So you believe God wants things and he loves things

781
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: similar to the way humans do. Do you also believe

782
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: God experiences anger and forgiveness. That's part of the package.

783
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: I said, So God has a personality according to you,

784
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: and is similar to what humans experience. I guess part

785
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: of what's frustrating to me about this argument is that

786
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: Scott repeatedly lets us know this delivery driver doesn't particularly

787
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: believe what he's saying.

788
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: He's just giving the answers.

789
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: He thinks this guy wants to try to end the conversation,

790
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: which means I have no investment in him being proved wrong.

791
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: Right.

792
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: We have not established this character. We haven't established that

793
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: he believes things in a certain way. So like the

794
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: fact that it is he specifically notes like I just

795
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: said this because I thought it was the right thing

796
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: to say. I thought this would comfort him. I thought

797
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: he would stop talking. That means like, I don't I

798
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: get the slightly better version about this. If you want

799
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: to do this whole religion plot line, have this avatar

800
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: get fucking captured or something by a religious terrorist, or

801
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: have him be you know, he's living in some sort

802
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: of like dystopian world and he gets arrested by the

803
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: religious police, and he asked like if he maybe if

804
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: he could like convince you want to do this socratic dialogue.

805
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is a good book, but it's

806
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: a better one. You want to do this fucking socratic dialogue,

807
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: Have him talk things out with this like, you know,

808
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: religious extremist who's supposed to be torturing him over the

809
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: course of a book and gradually change this guy's mind.

810
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: And then this guy, you know, he can write out

811
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: how he influences everyone else to change things, as opposed

812
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: to like, well, this delivery driver has just told me

813
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't believe anything he's arguing. I am not invested

814
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: in him having his mind changed because he doesn't believe

815
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: any of these things.

816
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: He's just like, yeah, he thinks he's doing a fucking

817
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: dust Ievski here. That's the thing is he does think he'sky.

818
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: He does he's doing a It's like a fucking Dilbert

819
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: version of Dustaevsky, and it's it's incredibly hard to watch

820
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: or to hear you read, because all I'm imagining is

821
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: like like a wife looking over at Scott Adams. I

822
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: don't know if he was married at this time.

823
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: I think it was, yeah, because he hadn't gone, he

824
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: hadn't had his spasmic dysphony or whatever.

825
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like I mean, essentially just watching her Dilbert

826
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Speaker 2: ass husband writing something that is a thousand times scarier

827
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Speaker 2: to see as a wife. Then all work and no

828
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: play makes Jack a dog like this is fucking.

829
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Speaker 1: I would much rather walk in on my spouse like

830
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: designing a truck bomb than to hear like I've decided

831
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: to write a novel that's a Socratic dialogue that'll explain

832
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: to everybody why religions not real.

833
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: Just make a bomb, man, just make a bomb. Money. Yeah,

834
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: I'll get some bottles and we'll do some Molotov cocktails.

835
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: Just seeing then you've titled the word document God's Debris.

836
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: I'm ready to die. Let's just go out. You know,

837
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: fuck it, we have not.

838
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: Given I think, sufficient attention to how fucking terrible of

839
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: the title God's Debris is.

840
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: Wait till you hear why that's the title. So I'm

841
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: moving us ahead quite a while to God's Motivation, which

842
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: is a few chapters ahead. If you were God, the

843
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: avatar said, what would you want?

844
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

845
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: I barely know what I want, much less what God wants.

846
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: Imagine that you are omnipotent. You could do anything, create anything,

847
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: be anything. As soon as you decide you want something,

848
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: it becomes reality. I waited, knowing there was more. He continued,

849
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: does it makes it? You don't need to do that,

850
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: Just give us the whole fucking line. We don't need

851
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: that anyway. Whatever, Fuck you, Scott, Fuck you learn how

852
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: to write, He continued, Does it make sense to think

853
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: of God as wanting anything? God would have no motions,

854
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: no fears, no desires, no curiosity, no hunger. Those are

855
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: human shortcomings, not something that would be found in an

856
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: omnipotent God. What would then motivate God? Maybe it's the challenge,

857
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: the intellectual stimulation of creating things. Omnipotence doesn't mean nothing

858
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: is or means that nothing is a challenge? And what

859
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: could stimulate the mind of something one who knows everything.

860
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: You make it sound almost boring to be God. But

861
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: I guess you'll say boring is a human feeling. Everything

862
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: that motivates living creatures is based on some weakness or flaw.

863
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: Hunger motivates animals, Lust motivates. That tells us a lot

864
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: that he's like. Lust motivates is a flaw in a weakness.

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Speaker 2: H Scott. H Scott, No, like his wife reads that.

866
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: He's just like, oh really, okay, all right, So that's

867
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: why you won't fucking go down on me.

868
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Speaker 1: Look, obviously there are some people, you know. Not everyone's

869
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: motivation is sexual, But for people who are lust is

870
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: like one of the you know, there's people can take

871
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: it negative ways, but like being attracted to someone and

872
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: following for them is nice. Most of us don't see

873
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: that as like, ah my weakness.

874
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, it's a natural and you know, if

875
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: you want to be weird about it serves a purpose.

876
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, fucking mostly just like natural and fune.

877
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun, it's it's this is it is like

878
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: low key again as much of an as an atheist

879
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: influencers as that's extremely catholic, right, Well, of course when

880
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: we're lustful, that that's a weakness. Are weak human bodies

881
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: making us hard?

882
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, very catholicarly catholic. It's just like an

883
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: atheist though he's like, yeah, I'm a guy who doesn't

884
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: believe in God who still punches his boner every time.

885
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: One. Fear and pain motivate animals, and again that's also fun,

886
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: Like I raise animals and like a lot of my

887
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, chickens are not smart animals, but it's not

888
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: just fear and pain. For example, they they are capable

889
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: of taking like comfort in each other's presence and like

890
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: the warmth that they generate. You certainly see that with

891
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: animals like goats, with like sheep, you know they are

892
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: there's a degree of like tenderness that they have towards

893
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: their young. They play like other animals play. It's been

894
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: proven in fact that like cows, they produce more milk.

895
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: They're generally healthier when they have not just other cows,

896
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: but specific I'd like cows pick out other cows that

897
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: they bond with, like it's described and yeah, it's like

898
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: they're friends, like that is how it's described in like

899
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: the literature studying this, that like cows just kind of

900
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: have buds, and I think a lot of animals actually

901
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: do that sort of thing, just like how basically every

902
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: animal actually likes getting pet like many different animals surprising

903
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: kinds of them if they get to experience getting scritched

904
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: behind the ears or like this is pretty dope. That's

905
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: not fear and pain, that's just like comfort, Like it's nice,

906
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: it feels good.

907
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm very much enjoying the idea that like,

908
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: don't tell Scott yeah this because much like Turkey, it

909
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: will explode his fucking mind when he finds out that

910
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 2: there are cows with more friends than him.

911
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

912
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: Oh, at way more friends.

913
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, having lived with cows for a

914
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: chunk of my youth, I would much cows are a

915
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: much nobler creature than the Scott Adams. But yeah, someone's

916
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: going to show Scott that video of like a coyote

917
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: and a badger hunting, and he's again his brain is

918
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: going to spin out of his head.

919
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: What if all that would have like stopped this degeneration

920
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: of his brain was like some someone sends him some

921
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: videos of animal best friends, like he could have we

922
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: could have stopped you know, Dilbert from turning into the

923
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: guy he did.

924
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

925
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: Fun, So it's tragic. If I had a time machine,

926
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: I'd go back in time. I wouldn't kill Hitler. I

927
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: would show him a duck being a best friend with

928
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: a pig.

929
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, a duck and a pig hanging out. Yeah, or

930
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: like yeah, one of those birds that like chills out

931
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: on like the back of a crocodile's neck. Yeah, cleans

932
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: it off. Like, no, it's not just fear and pain.

933
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're motivated by another thing that makes you feel good.

934
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, anyway, it's because it's also like I

935
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: don't know, I do actually reject what Scott is kind

936
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: of in co compoinitely doing the idea that like, human

937
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: beings and animals have like fundamentally wildly different motivations. Right,

938
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: there's there's every now and then you get some asshole

939
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: on like Twitter who will be like, oh, your cat

940
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: and your dog don't love you. They just know that

941
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: you provide like shelter and comfort and security, And it's like,

942
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: why do you think we like each other? Exactly, as

943
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: if like that's not a profound thing, taking comfort and

944
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: feeling secure in the presence of another.

945
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, nothing is there. Anyone could offer that to anyone,

946
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: just willy nilly, just.

947
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Little robots making you know, the world bearable through their presence.

948
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 2: And there's not fuck you for just being like, oh,

949
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: you know what, the cat relationship is very transactional, like

950
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up, yeah, Jonah hill ass it's weaponizing

951
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: therapy talk. Yeah.

952
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: I fucking hate all these because again I am I

953
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: am not a believer that human beings and animals are

954
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: experiencing fundamentally different things. We just have words and animals

955
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: have you know, I don't know whatever Echo the Dolphin

956
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: is doing in that Echo the Dolphin video game anyway,

957
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: whatever we could we could we trudge on? So what

958
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: motivates God? Asks the delivery boy? Do you have an

959
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: answer to that question? Or are you just yanking my chain?

960
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: I can conceive of only one challenge for an omniptant,

961
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: being the challenge of destroying himself. You think God would again,

962
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: potentially an idea you can have some fun with in

963
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: a sci fi book, right, the idea that like God. Yeah,

964
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: but also the way to make that fun is not

965
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 1: spoiler God's debris as God murders himself at some point

966
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: in the past and like now we're we're we're all

967
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: living in like the shattered remnants of God trying to

968
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: reconstruct himself. Right, that's what intelligence is. Yeah, I don't know.

969
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: I think a more interesting version of that is, like you.

970
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: Actually the Dilbert guy. Yeah, not written by the Dilbert guy.

971
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 4: I don't know.

972
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: You can do a lot with You could do a

973
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: lot with the idea of like a God who maybe

974
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: is playing different religions off of each other in order

975
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: to like somehow kill himself, like trying to fit in

976
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: like people uncover that mystery and you've got to I

977
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: don't know, there's a fun like vaguely kind of fucking

978
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: gnostic work of fiction that you can.

979
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: Wear out of that where credit is due. Yeah, every

980
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: I guess on average, it sounds like three hundred pages

981
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 2: at Scott Adams writes, he writes one half good idea

982
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: that he uses terribly. It's a guy who has uh,

983
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: you know, the the In the last book it was

984
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: a general who had a guy falling around with a

985
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: gun to kill him if he ever gets too powerful.

986
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: And in this one it's a fucking, I don't know,

987
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: suicidal god who kills himself.

988
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: Scott Adams is pretty good at coming up with half

989
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: of a good idea. Like if he was a TV

990
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,959
Speaker 1: pitch man, you know, he'd be like.

991
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: So this.

992
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: So this therapist moves to Seattle, you know, from his

993
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: from his old home on the East coast, and he,

994
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: let me tell you, this guy hates the Irish.

995
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: You think you don't like the Irish. Boy he's made.

996
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: It cut out everything he said. After therapist moves to Seattle,

997
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: we gotta banger, Adams, you did it again.

998
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: Well he left out the whole thing where the the

999
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: rolicks nose. He's got a drunk nose. You're gonna cut

1000
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: the hole. That's the whole point. I do want to

1001
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: see Scott Adams Fraser too.

1002
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: It is funny because like Fraser is basically a parody

1003
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: of the kind of guy Scott Adams is. But yeah, yeah,

1004
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: very funny, good stuff, all right anyway, angel and yeah,

1005
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: and r I p Kelsey Grammar who died right after

1006
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: that show and has gone on to do nothing else.

1007
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know he played Beast.

1008
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: He did play that was actually really I I always

1009
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: thought was good cast.

1010
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great choice. It was like,

1011
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 2: its a good beast. Yeah, it's a good beast.

1012
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: Although I having seen the hell Boy movies too, I

1013
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: kind of want to see David Hyde Pierce's beast. I

1014
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: know he didn't wind up being the but he's I

1015
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: think he could have done it. I think he would

1016
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: have been great. Ah, I love me. That's why I'm

1017
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: not excited about the trade. The Fraser reboot.

1018
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: Is that, like, what there's a Fraser reboot? Yeah, they're

1019
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 2: doing a reboot.

1020
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: He's back in Chicago, I think it is, or not Chicago,

1021
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: and where the fuck he came from?

1022
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: I think he's back the Seattle is where he's at.

1023
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: Seattle's where he's at. But when the Fraser series ended

1024
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,959
Speaker 1: he was moving to Chicago, I think, and I think

1025
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: this this new one's supposed to start with him leaving

1026
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: Seattle back for Boston. For like the next where is

1027
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: the Cheers Bar? It's in Boston, Like presumably we might

1028
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: see it. Okay, I think they did film something at

1029
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: part of the episode there, although maybe I'm getting that wrong.

1030
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: But like my frustration with the show idea is that,

1031
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: like I think, because this is all Kelsey Grammar's baby,

1032
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: it's been confirmed that like David Hyde Pierce isn't back.

1033
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's him and a new cast of characters,

1034
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: and I think they've like convinced themselves that, well what

1035
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: we all the core of the show was always Fraser,

1036
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: and you know we can always have we can just

1037
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: move him to It's like no, no, no, no, no no,

1038
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: was a fun side character in Fraser. We were there

1039
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: because of Martin and Niles. Like that is that is

1040
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: what brought our asses into the honest Edie and Edie

1041
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: great dog actor man that's also look up fucking uh

1042
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: what's his name? The guy the Fraser actor. He gets

1043
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: so angry when people call the dog an actor because

1044
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: he's like, it's just memorized the series of tricks.

1045
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: Like, that's not what acting is. Let's be real. Acting

1046
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: is memorizing a series of tricks. Cry, look hawk, I

1047
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: get it, speaking of a series of tricks. H it's

1048
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: time for some ads. Oh I love ads, Thank you,

1049
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: thank you so do I.

1050
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: Ah, we're back. We're thinking about how disappointing the Fraser

1051
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: reboot's gonna be.

1052
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't have any of our favorite characters, and in fact,

1053
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 2: the few of them are no longer with us.

1054
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: Scott is promising in this terrible book about God to

1055
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: wrinkle our brains and like spin them around, uh pleasantly.

1056
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: Whereas the biggest shock to my mind, the thing that

1057
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: like most like shook my fundamental belief of about reality,

1058
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: was hearing that Martin from Fraser was played by a

1059
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: British man. What yeah, oh man, Yeah, that accent is

1060
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: all like acting. Not one break. There's not a second

1061
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: in that show where you don't believe he's a fucking

1062
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: street smart cop from the fucking working class Seattle neighborhood.

1063
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: It's amazing, crazy, Oh my god, it's so cool.

1064
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: British people are really good at doing the accent. I

1065
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: really yeah, we just yeah, I can't do that. It's

1066
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: like in reverse. It wouldn't work. I could never be

1067
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: on peaky blinders, you know.

1068
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: No, no, nor.

1069
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: Can I.

1070
00:50:52,400 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: Em hul voice hlorious boy, he boasting not you will

1071
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: put doctor as big as a house saw him.

1072
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: That's what that shows about. He's a very big doctor. Boy.

1073
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: I bet that we probably lost about a third of

1074
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: the audience with that little spree of accent work.

1075
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: Zvie shows up just shaking and livid, furious. Let's continue,

1076
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: Let's finish this last bit of Scottish we got to finish.

1077
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: Through flawless logic that we're all totally convinced of. Scott

1078
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: has gotten us to believe that all the only reasonable

1079
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: thing for God to want to do is commit suicide.

1080
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: You think God would want to commit suicide, I asked.

1081
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he wants anything. I'm saying it's the

1082
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: only challenge I think that God would prefer to exist,

1083
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: then not to exist. That's thinking like a human, not

1084
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: like a god. You have a fear so like I'm

1085
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: not trying to say what God thinks, but you're thinking

1086
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: like a human, not like a god. And I know

1087
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: how a God would think. You have a fear of death.

1088
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: So you assume God would share your preference. But God

1089
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: would have no fears. Existing would be a choice, and

1090
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: there would be no pain of death, nor feelings of

1091
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: guilt or remorse or loss. Those are human feelings, not

1092
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: God feelings. God could simply choose to discontinue existence. There's

1093
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: a logical problem here, according to your way of thinking.

1094
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: I said, if God knows the future, he already knows

1095
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: if he will choose to end his existence, and he

1096
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: knows how he will succeeded it. So there's no challenge there.

1097
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: Either you're thinking is getting clearer. Yes, he will know

1098
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: the future of his own existence. I know normal conditions,

1099
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: But what do his omnipotence include knowing what happens after

1100
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: he loses his omnipotence or what his knowledge? This is

1101
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: again all like, I'm high with my fucking dealer and

1102
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: he won't stop talking to me.

1103
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: All like, I'm getting anxiety because I'm like, bro, you're

1104
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: definitely fired, You're definitely fined. Yeah, no, you're losing.

1105
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: It's okay. He becomes the avatar. That's what this avatar

1106
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: is doing, is he's pilling this guy to make.

1107
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: An asplaining that to your fucking manager. Oh okay, I

1108
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: was late because I became the avatar.

1109
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: I became the embodiment of all human knowledge and potential. Like,

1110
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I missed my last like dozen deliveries.

1111
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: Bra Like, yeah, I'm sorry about that. I'm God shure

1112
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: himself real fucked up. Yeah. Did you hear the thing

1113
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: where God did suicides to himself?

1114
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: God and Hitler both both did a suicide. Hitler, who

1115
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: is not that bad in this version of the future

1116
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: because another guy didn't even worse genocide of.

1117
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: The Jews, Right, That's.

1118
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: Right, Hitler's in the number two in terms of genocides

1119
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: of Jewish people in this book.

1120
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: That's the way that Scott likes it. The way Scott

1121
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: likes some of this way off of Hitler. You know

1122
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: this guy, I think we've been misjudging him a little bit.

1123
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: Let him rest in peace.

1124
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a worse Hitler and he's Muslim, Yeah

1125
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: much kind of Muslim, all of them.

1126
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: All of them, But you know, fucking I don't care

1127
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: if they're the shit one or the Sun one. The

1128
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: point is they all worship.

1129
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: The wrong God, which is the dead God committed suicide.

1130
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: So I'm going to skip ahead to the end here

1131
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: the chapter called fifth level? Who are you?

1132
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: I asked.

1133
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to phrase the question lightly. The

1134
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: old man certainly wasn't normal. I'm an avatar? Is that

1135
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: some sort of title? I thought it was your name.

1136
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: This man has never encountered the word avatar in his

1137
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: life the first time? Yeah, yeah, I never watched that

1138
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: cartoon or this is where I learned the word avatar

1139
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: from when I was eleven, played Avatar or played Eldar

1140
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: in third edition Warhammer forty thousand.

1141
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: Anyway, I learned it from you know, forums where you

1142
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: know you had a fucking you have a forum avatar, right, yeah,

1143
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: and so you have an avatar common word.

1144
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, excuse me for asking this, The delivery guy asks,

1145
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to phrase it, so I'm

1146
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: just gonna come out and say it. You want to

1147
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: know if I'm human? Yeah, I apologize. Because of all

1148
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: of his brilliance, he can't possibly be a mortal man.

1149
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: I apologize if that sounds silly, It's just that the

1150
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: old man waved off the end of my sentence. I understand. Yes,

1151
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: I am human. I'm a fifth level human. An avatar.

1152
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: Fifth level, he doesn't doesn't even get another feet yet.

1153
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. You can't even do two attacks if he's

1154
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: like a melee class.

1155
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's barely got any XP and he thinks

1156
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: he's a fucking genius.

1157
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: What a what bullshit bullshit loser. Yeah, you can't even

1158
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: cat like I guess. Actually, if you're a wizard in

1159
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: three point five, you can cast fireball now, so that

1160
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: is that is when things start to get fun at

1161
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: fifth level is a wizard.

1162
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: So there you go. Get a little too nerdy for

1163
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: me there, buddy. But you know, I've seen a vagina

1164
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: before I find myself. That's good, that's good.

1165
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: It is very funny that we've turned around from like

1166
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: D and D being a thing that like people shoved

1167
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: me into lockers when they noticed my D and D

1168
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: books in middle school to like people getting laid dropping

1169
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: D and D knowledge these days.

1170
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can DM a campaign one. Yeah amazing. I've

1171
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: decided to stick with the bullying thing now because now

1172
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: it feels like I'm bullying the mainstream culture. I'm even

1173
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: ahead of you. I'm bullying people fork in comic books.

1174
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: Yes, like I see somebody like an iron Man and

1175
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: I just shove him and a lot of times that

1176
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: guy is three hundred pounds of solid muscle, and let

1177
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: me tell you, I get the shit kicked out.

1178
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still out of ten. But the point is,

1179
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: as you stood up to the big corporation.

1180
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: A lot of huge dudes who are into comics and

1181
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: better at fighting than they actually Yeah, it's become a problem.

1182
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks that they all teamed up with like

1183
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: the MMA guys. So they're all fucking doing keeto and

1184
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: lifting and reading iron Man and I'm sitting here like

1185
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 2: a lump, just going like fuck you, just thinking.

1186
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: In new ways to call them dorks. Yeah, oh, I

1187
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: bet you like it when people combine three colors in

1188
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: a variety of ways to make a panopoly of color

1189
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: in a print medium.

1190
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: Huh you need Yeah? Got him?

1191
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: So he's a fifth level avatar. People exist at different

1192
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: levels of awareness, and avatar, who's one who lives at

1193
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: the fifth level? Is awareness? Like intelligence? I asked, no,

1194
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: Intelligence is a measure of how well you function within

1195
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: your level of awareness. Your intelligence will stay about the

1196
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: same over your life. Awareness is entirely different from intelligence.

1197
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: Awareness involves recognizing your delusions, for what they are. Most

1198
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: people's awareness will advance one or two levels in their lifetime.

1199
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: What does it mean to recognize your delusions? When you

1200
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: were a child, did your parents tell you that Santa

1201
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: Claus brought presents so on Christmas Day? Yeah, I said,

1202
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: I believed in Santa until kindergarten when the other kids

1203
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: started talking. Then I realized Santa couldn't get to all

1204
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: those homes in one night. Your intelligence did not change

1205
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: from the moment you realize that Santa Claus was a

1206
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: harmless fantasy. Your math and verbal skills stayed the same,

1207
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: but your awareness increased. You were some suddenly aware that

1208
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: stories from credible sources, in this case your parents, could

1209
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: be completely made up. And from the moment of that

1210
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: realization you could never see the world the same way

1211
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: because your reality had changed. I guess it did. And

1212
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: in school, did you learn that the Native Americans and

1213
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: Pilgrims go, oh, boy, Scott, I don't want you dig

1214
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: it diving in it?

1215
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he does. He does.

1216
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: To be fair, He's like, yeah, this was made up.

1217
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: You know.

1218
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: You learned that a bunch of your history is made up.

1219
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: Awareness is about unlearning. It's the recognition that you don't

1220
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: know as much as you thought you did. He described

1221
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: what he called the five levels of awareness and said

1222
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: that all humans experience the first level of awareness at birth.

1223
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: That's when you become aware that you exist. In the

1224
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: second level of awareness, you understand that other people exist.

1225
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: You believe that most of what you were told by

1226
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: authority figures. You accept the belief system in which you

1227
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: were raised. Also, Scott doesn't really get little kids here,

1228
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: because like it's a little bit messier than that, because

1229
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: kids definitely believe you at some point. But also little

1230
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: kids have a period where like the only thing they

1231
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: want to say is no, and like reject everything you

1232
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: tell them. Like that's why touching a hot burner is

1233
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: kind of inevitable. Every kid will have some version of

1234
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: that experience pretty much. It's not always a burner, but

1235
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: like because you don't listen to what the adults tell you,

1236
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: because that's part of anyway.

1237
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: Whatever, dude, this is a full grown man writing.

1238
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: This is a full grown man. I'm skipping the other levels.

1239
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: The fifth level of awareness is the Okay, the fourth

1240
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: level awareness is skepticism, So all right, I guess I

1241
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: should continue. The third level of awareness is that like

1242
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: human beings are wrong sometimes, but you can still believe

1243
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: in God. The fourth level is when you become an

1244
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: atheist on the internet and you believe that the scientific

1245
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: method is the best measure of what's true, and you

1246
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: have a good working grasp of truth thanks to science

1247
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: and your senses. You are arrogant when it comes to

1248
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: dealing with people in levels two and three. That also

1249
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: says a lot, because like it's certainly true that like

1250
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,479
Speaker 1: little kids, babies and stuff are aware unaware of things

1251
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: that we're aware of, like the idea of like object

1252
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: permanence and stuff. Right, this is very basic shit. But

1253
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not like arrogant about them. It's I

1254
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: think it's amazing. Actually, I got to watch the other day.

1255
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: I got to have this amazing moment where like there's

1256
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: this little baby that is effectively a roommate of mine occasionally,

1257
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: and you know, like on like a floor mat for

1258
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: doing yoga, I have these ones that like you can

1259
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: fit a bunch of them together like puzzle pieces. So

1260
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: they have these little inns that you can put on

1261
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: them that are shaped like zippers, like little like foam

1262
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: zippers three or four feet long. And this baby that

1263
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: I hang out with noticed that the shape of the

1264
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: zipper was kind of similar to the silhouette of a train,

1265
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: and the baby started making chew chew sounds. And I'd

1266
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: never seen the baby exhibit sort of a capability of

1267
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: abstract thought before. It was like, watching this moment in

1268
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 1: development hand happen, I was just like yeah, more yeah,

1269
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: instead of like I was not filled with arrogance, like

1270
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,479
Speaker 1: look at this dumb baby. It was like, Wow, there's

1271
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: like the sense of wonder, of almost religious awe at,

1272
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: like watching a brain like change over, Like it's beautiful. Actually,

1273
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: I think that's why people like being parrots, you know.

1274
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: But now everyone's just like, look at these shitty ass kids.

1275
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: They don't know fuck.

1276
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all great, I have a fucking idiot. Yes, he

1277
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: thinks the zipper as a train. Yeah, doesn't even know

1278
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 2: how to cook an omelet.

1279
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, drink your bottle, baby, anyway. So the fourth level

1280
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: of skepticism, the fifth level of awareness is the avatar.

1281
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: The avatar understands that the mind is an illusion generator.

1282
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I love he's straight up. Just like fourth

1283
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: level is atheist because why because that's one away from

1284
01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: super genius. Yeah, that's one away. Yeah, once atheist, you

1285
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: are only one level away from being so smart that

1286
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: you can talk to animals.

1287
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, the avatar recognized the science is just another

1288
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: belief system. YadA, YadA, YadA. Anyway, this is all like

1289
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: second grade philosophy. Shit, that's uh, that's everything Scott Adams

1290
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: believes about the universe.

1291
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: Matt Lee, how are you feeling? I mean, honestly, I'm

1292
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: feeling kind of like amazed and embarrassed for him, like like,

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Speaker 2: because part of me is realized. Like halfway while you

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Speaker 2: were describing the levels, I was like, all, fuck, he

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Speaker 2: was attempting an l Ron Hubbard thing, Like he thought

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Speaker 2: for a second it might be possible that he could

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Speaker 2: do a hubbard esque rift and religious Yes, that's what

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Speaker 2: he's doing. And I was just thinking to myself, like, fuck,

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Speaker 2: that has got to be It's got to be really

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Speaker 2: embarrassing to like begin the process of writing your own

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Speaker 2: dianetics but then realize you're too fucking stupid to do it.

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Speaker 2: So instead you invent a guy. You make it fiction,

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Speaker 2: and you invent a guy who's this you label the

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Speaker 2: smartest guy in the world, and then he says all

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Speaker 2: the things that you thought of as your religion, Like

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Speaker 2: that is I mean, you know, it's uh, it's great writing,

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Speaker 2: it's great compelling story. Does it end with him eventually.

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Speaker 1: Becomes the avatar, the avatar disappears, whatever, this guy is

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Speaker 1: the new avatar, YadA YadA.

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Speaker 2: YadA, avatar convincing the Delivery gotta suck his dick, because

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Speaker 2: that's kind and what I would use it for.

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Speaker 1: This would be one of my favorite books if like

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Speaker 1: it was. The review at the end was that he

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Speaker 1: was just trying to fuck just Delivery. Now you get

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Speaker 1: to hit you're a fourth level now after her socratic dialogue,

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Speaker 1: but to hit fifth gotta my dick, you gotta.

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Speaker 2: Set my dick. Honestly, if it had gone that level,

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Speaker 2: I would have been like, dude, maybe this is this

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Speaker 2: is the best novel.

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Speaker 1: This is like, yeah, he's fuck Dostoyevski up in here

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Speaker 1: of a modern era.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely choose this way of doing the story. You might

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Speaker 2: as well start it off with like a guy comes

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Speaker 2: over to fix the cable or clean the pool, like

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Speaker 2: you're starting it off on a porno premise. You're not

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Speaker 2: gonna end it.

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Speaker 1: That would be That would be so and the next

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Speaker 1: and then it's thirty pages.

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Speaker 2: Of hardcore pornography that would.

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Speaker 1: Like he is like walking you through Like how when

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Speaker 1: this when the avatar busts in this delivery boy's mouth,

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Speaker 1: he gets that first taste of salt. That's the first

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Speaker 1: experience and it takes him back to being a child

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Speaker 1: seeing the coast for the first time, the spray of

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Speaker 1: the ocean in his face, transported through time by the

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Speaker 1: taste of the avatars. Come, Matt, you have anything to plug?

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, you know if you like come, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: love pod yourself a gun, which is a Sopranos and

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Speaker 2: the Wire Rewatch podcast were gotten through all of the Sopranos,

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Speaker 2: and now we're at season three of the Wire, so

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Speaker 2: check it out. By the time you hear this, we

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Speaker 2: may be starting season four, which is the best season. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you know, fucking follow me on Instagram at Matt

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Speaker 2: Lee jokes. Oh right, I almost forgot. If you are

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Speaker 2: in the San Francisco Bay Area or any of the

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Speaker 2: surrounding areas, on Tuesday, October seventeenth, at eight pm, specifically,

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Speaker 2: my wife Francesca, if Youreantini and I are going to

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Speaker 2: be headlining the San Francisco Punchline Comedy Club, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: please come out to that. It is a Tuesday at

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Speaker 2: eight pm October seventeenth, where at Voice, my wife and

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Speaker 2: I are going to be co headlining. There's going to

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Speaker 2: be some other great comedians coming out. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun. You can get your tickets at

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Speaker 2: Punchlinecomedyclub dot com and Yeah, October seventeenth, please come out.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be so good. I swear to God.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at the very least, you're going to get

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Speaker 2: to see my wife and I kiss, like live on stage.

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Speaker 2: It's a sex show. Anyways, come out to that.

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Speaker 1: Follow Matt Leeb on the gram. Yeah, and the next

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Speaker 1: time you see a person who believes a religion, tell

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Speaker 1: them tell him a fart joke and a.

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Speaker 2: Fart joke and then you'll end war.

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Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah.

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