WEBVTT - Episode 50: Matthieu Pavon 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.400 The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.120 much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:05.840 hit any shot. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.520 I kind of want. We're gonna be able to tell 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:09.560 some fun stories about what goes on here to help 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:10.640 golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.200 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Proving Grounds Podcast. I 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.160 am Shane Bacon, joined by Marty Jerts and Matthew Pavon 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.720 is with us. I know the year has been pretty 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.279 fantastic for you, a big twenty twenty four, obviously getting 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.960 the win at Torrey Pines. But how has this season 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:27.400 been for you? 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.960 Yeah, it's incredible so far. I mean, just having the 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.559 opportunity to play here in America full schedule, it's pretty amazing. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.880 And as you said, he could then started the best way, 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.680 so a lot a lot of tournaments come in, but yeah, 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.640 so far, it's just incredible. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.320 Age thirty one, You've kind of followed a little different 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.239 journey than a lot of players on the tour, right 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.200 kind of. You know, it's quote unquote journeyman on Challenge Tour, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.040 deep World Tour. Not a lot of Americans you know, 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.360 new of you unless where they were falling, you know, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.480 international play quite a bit. How much golf had you 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.440 played in America leading up to your transition joined the 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.920 tour here in the fall and this year. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.039 I mean not much. The only thing I knew really 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:16.959 about America is I came when I was seventeen after 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.360 high school. I practiced for a year in West Palm. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.959 We have a French brother there, Thomas Lovey, who played Radaka, 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.520 one of the biggest names in the French golf. So 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.800 I spent some time with him in West Palm, and 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.760 I get to know a little bit the culture of America. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.920 How big is sports in America, and also how beautiful 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.120 and great are the facilities to practice, to be fair, 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:45.520 and then more and more growing up, got few quality 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:51.920 to play. The US Open. Agreement between DP and PGA 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:56.720 Tour make me play two times the Barracuda Championship, so yeah, 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.080 little opportunities to play before, but not many. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.440 I mean you you've kind of had your moments Stateside 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.640 over the years. You mentioned being seventeen, obviously playing in 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.200 the US Opening, playing well back in twenty eighteen, I 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.520 think you had a top twenty five that year. Are 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.080 you now adjusting to kind of the American lifestyle what 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:16.680 do you like about it and what do you miss 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:17.680 about France? 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.840 Yeah, yeah, it's it's all about learning. It's slightly different, 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.560 for sure, but I think that country is just such 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:31.200 an amazing country for spots and for high performance stuff. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:38.000 The way you guys think, you guys raise your your 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.200 kids you are raised too, is really different. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.120 But in what way is like? What's different in terms 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.520 of like that specifically? Because I got two little kids, 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:46.480 so I'm inntioned in your thoughts. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:50.760 It's just so much positivity. Really, it feels like nobody 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:55.399 has limits. You guys believe strong, believes dreams big, and 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.040 this is not what we are teach when we we 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.840 home and we grow up. So it's it's a little 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.520 bit different, and I think it's just an awesome way 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:05.679 to live. 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.639 I mean, you obviously become a professional golfer, that's what 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.960 a lot of young kids dream of being. How are 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:12.640 your parents as you were growing up and you were 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.639 thinking about competing as a junior golfer and then obviously 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.480 getting into the professional ranks. How was it personally you 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.480 going through that as a kid in France? 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.440 Yeah, that was nice. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:22.760 I was. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.440 I am very lucky that my two parents are sports 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.800 sports guy. My mum is a golf teacher. My dad 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:32.000 played football as a professional, was captain of the main 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.680 team of Bordeaux, won the French championship back back in 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.560 the days, so we were. I was a lot into sports. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:44.520 They had a lot of positivities and values through sport. 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.080 I think sports teach a lot of great values for life. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.520 And this is the way I grew up. And obviously 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.560 it got me a little bit into competition. Competition mind 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.240 so no, was just the right way to grow up 0:03:59.280 --> 0:03:59.480 for me. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.320 How did how did your parents, being both in sports 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:07.920 and coaches, helped formulate how you approach your practicing, structuring 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.080 your time. I know in your interview after you want 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.080 a toy, you talk a lot about thinking your team. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.560 You know, so who is on your team and what 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.240 does that look like right now? In terms of you know, training, fitness, 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.080 mental side of things. How do you how do you 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:20.760 approach all that? 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.039 Yeah, this is this is the thing I really changed 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.840 over the last three years. Where when I started on tour, 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.960 I didn't have a lot of sponsors and I kind 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.440 of was a bit scaled to really invest all the 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.360 money I had at that time into a team. But 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.839 this is definitely what you have to do if you 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:43.680 want to get the best out of your game. And 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:48.080 I slightly sorry to be a team. I have an 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:52.200 American physical trainer, Ben Sheer, who has a right a 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:57.080 Cup players and Majors winner. My coach Jamie go also 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.320 write a cup players, and like six or seven guys 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.480 back in back in Europe. We are three playing on 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:09.400 the PGA Tour putting coach which come from Norway. So 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.839 I have a lot of international Yeah it's really international, 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:17.000 but you know in friends, like the game is slightly growing, 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.520 and I think for now maybe we don't have all 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.719 the right people to teach everything. You know, we have 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.880 good golf coaches, I'm sure about that, but maybe we 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.200 are a little bit young into i don't know, into 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.440 patting or into physical training or whatever, especially for golf. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:40.520 And because you don't have time to take people and 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:44.599 try to grow all together, I've really decided to invest 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.360 off what's the best year in America and in different 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:49.599 other countries. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.320 When you're building a team. To Marty's point, how do 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.280 you go I'm always amazed by this, like how do 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.320 you go about it? How do you find the trainer? 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.360 How do you find the coach like are you asking 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.080 other players who they are work with? Like how does 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:02.880 that go about? As you said, it's been a big 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.120 part of your journey last. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.120 So the thing is, I'm really interested about performance, and 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.599 when I see people playing great, I try to see 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.599 what they do great and where they improved the most 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.760 and stuff like this. And for my swing, I was, 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.119 I mean, I am a faith player. I always played 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.840 fade and I was missing left a lot. And I 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.680 saw that guy Jamie Off and this Sullivan at that 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.880 time write a cup player hitting super beautiful faith and 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.040 at a lot of great faith players like Brendon Stone 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:36.719 at that time, and also Lee Houghton, guys one on 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.280 tour and been in the top hundred and even more 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.360 top fifteen the world. So I was like, okay, that's 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.400 the type of guy who shaped the ball left to right, 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.000 so I might have to ask him to see my swing. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.440 And this is how we started. Ben Sheer, coach of 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:55.919 Victor Perez, best French guy at that time, one on 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.800 tour two or three times I think close to being 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:03.560 the Ryder Cup had that that bad COVID year who 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.400 stopped him. But same I talked to a lot to 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.680 victor because his body of mine and uh, he saw 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.760 changed on his physical physical training with Ben. So got 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.960 to Ben and then putting I saw like I just 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.800 look on my computer, who who are the best part 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:22.800 on tour and tried to see if there is a 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.240 tendency in between the coach they have and stuff like this, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.760 and little by little, this is how I create like 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:30.720 a team in the last three years. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.480 Marty, this is like professional research. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:35.600 With this guy. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.000 Let's go with that exactly. Let's know some patterns here. 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.640 That's great. So how how long? I mean, obviously you 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.720 you you got your win wired to wire win at 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.200 the end of the last year, end of twenty three, 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.480 the victory this year, When did you start putting those 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.600 pieces in place with your team and start seeing some 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.760 of the you know, the different results come out of that. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:58.560 Yeah, it went like, uh slowly but surely. Two years 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.760 ago I had a season on tour get back to 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.080 Race to Dubai finish like fifty years or something. Then 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.920 the year after I got like forty years. So was improvement. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.480 And we always felt like I was closed and capable 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.680 to win a tournament, but before you actually do it, 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.320 you don't really know. And this is what I was 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.880 missing last the last few years. And last year I 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.520 was having like an average year Reaverage, like pretty close 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.720 to the same same resort that I had the past 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.720 few ones, and we were feeling we were getting closed. 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.440 And finally that wind drops, and it kind of gives 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.559 you freedom in your mind, give freedom to your staff 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.880 because we all know that we are working in the 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.079 right direction. We have more, you know, certainties about the 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.000 work we've put on, and I give you just freedom 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.880 to everybody. And then I since then I kind of 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:55.120 keep rolling. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.079 Matt, tell us a little bit about I think one 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.200 thing that we find interesting. We've seen this with Matt 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.520 Fitzpatrick is the cross handed chipping. So tell us the 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.200 story of how that came to be. It was fun 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.600 watching you help some of those amazing up and downs 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.480 a toy earlier this year. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.040 Yes, So the thing is last year, as an amateur, 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.480 I had yips. I couldn't chip anymore. I was like 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:20.080 thirty years in the French ranking and eight hundred in 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.680 the world as an amateur, so pretty far far down 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:28.880 below everybody. So I was almost close to quit golf 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.640 because I was I was sure that without any chipping, 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:37.200 you can't really compete as a high level. And just 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.440 before the Q School on the app Store, which is 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.880 the third division in Europe, I was like, okay, let's 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.960 try to find something or I just quit. And what 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.920 years is, by the way, twenty fourteen or fourteen, And 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.959 I started chipping like one handed, and I was like, okay, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.160 that's better. I don't have yips. But it's like one 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.280 time show. What I'm long when it's straight is what 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.360 I'm left once I'm right. So it's like two average. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.120 And I was like, okay, I put reverse. I'm going 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.800 to try to in padding is really close to a 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.000 bump and run with an eight iron. So I started 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.040 with an eight iron with the same grape as my 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.559 pudding and I hit a few shots and I was like, okay, 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.720 I'm not scared to hit the ground. I'm not scared 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.160 to the contact. I don't see any movements in my 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.760 hands or whatever. And it started like this, good with 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.200 the aid, went to the wedge. Good with the wedge, 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.680 fifty eight. Good with the fifty eight. I was like, okay, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.840 no more fear, so open the face, close the face, 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:40.240 draw the ball, flop it the different lines, tight grain 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.000 against everything, and I was fine, and all of a 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.920 sudden I had again that's the world freedom. I had 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.200 some freedom because I wasn't scared to miss a grain 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.640 and before every time I had the irons to play, 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.200 I was marching away from the fire because if I 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.199 was short sighted, it's pretty much a boggie right away. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.880 I wasn't scared anymore to play the path fives in two. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.079 Because would you would you lay up on purpose just 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:03.800 so you didn't. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.920 Have to chick. I was looking, I was aiming to 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.200 some of the trips sometimes because in the bunkers I 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.120 was fine. But if I was missing, if I was 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.360 missing my shot in two on the part five on 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.160 the tie line, it could be one fat one thing 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.400 to put and you end up with a six. Right, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:23.559 So it was Yeah, it was tricky, and also being 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.959 having so much relief from that fears, from those fears, 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.840 I I just played with so much freedom Since then. 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:31.760 Marty, have you ever done it? I know you're a 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.760 guy that tinkers around. Have you done cross it before? 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.080 Because I do feel like it does spin. I think 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.200 it spins better if you ever give it a try. 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.200 Do you never messed around with it? 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:40.480 Yeah? 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.520 I just just a few times you know, but but 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.280 not seriously. But I'm now I'm tempted. It's one of 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.520 those things. Now we loved Shane, and I love coming 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.240 on and interviewing all of you guys because we end 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.520 up going back and try and stuff on our own. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.319 But it's nice. I mean, as you said, I think 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.680 to be fair on really I'm not talking about stuff, 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.200 but really on some some really easy things and just 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:05.960 pop up the ball in the Yeah, I think you 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.760 can really have a lot of thin compared to H 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:10.880 left left right now? 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.800 Have you ever gone back? Have you ever gone back 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.439 to see what it looked like the other way? 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:15.840 No, because to be fair. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:16.480 I don't want to see it. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.840 I'm starting to mastering it more and so I don't 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.920 want to see how it's like texting an next girlfriend. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:24.240 I'm like, they're doing. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.600 It is it is. I have less fear than before, 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.640 so I can wedge because before I was also very 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.440 scared on two shots about like forty fifty yards. Now 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.800 I kind of play the normal, so it's fine, but 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.000 I won't I won't ever go back to uh normal. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:42.880 For the every day golfer. We now have a club 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:43.880 for that called the Chipper. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:44.559 Yeah. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.840 Heavy lightweight, you can do crosshanded putting, and so yeah, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.360 you got you got every the listener has some options 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:51.800 out there. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.839 Yeah, how did you learn English? I'm always interested about 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.000 this with international players because a you obviously got to 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.040 learn another language, and but you've got to feel comfortable 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.440 enough doing stuff like yes, when did you learn it? 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:02.719 How did you learn it? And when did you start 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.600 to feel comfortable enough to speak publicly? 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.400 Yeah, I think it's just high school. I think also 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.680 that's bad because I'm just shooting at my country. But 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.760 I think the way we learn English in France is 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:20.040 probably not the best. It's really like, you know, theory, 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.160 it's like learning a lot of words, but not really 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.200 talking and using. So I think it kind of sucks 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.360 because you have to practice it. You have to talk, 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.920 you have to use it. It's just of just learning 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.560 lessons and writing down, writing, you know, on paper. But 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.760 I think I had good basics, and after I went 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.240 to America for a year when I was seventeen, and 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.080 when you're kind of alone in the new country, there 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.080 are no way you can escape, so you have you 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.600 can't learn it, No, you have to learn it. You 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.800 have to talk to people at least trying, and this 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.120 is by trying and making mistakes that you become better. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.360 It's like in golf and everything, and this is the 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:01.160 way I learned it more and more, and afterwards, when 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.319 you become professional and you try so much, the only 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.600 language you really talk is English. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.640 I was thinking about your country, specifically with golf, and 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.320 I was thinking about how old you must have been 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.960 in ninety nine during that Open Championship. I'm assuming you 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.360 were six seven years old. What was it like consuming 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.720 the Vandervelt experience and what did that do for you 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.320 in terms of wanting to continue to play golf and 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:25.560 get obviously into the competitive side. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.480 Yeah, I mean I wasn't looking at the TV at 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.640 that time. I wasn't really into golf. I really have 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.640 a look on one app of what happened with Jean, 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.480 like only maybe ten years ago. But yeah, I mean, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.160 it is really sad to see finished like this, But 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.720 at the same time it's also inspiring because what he 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.440 has achieved this week was pretty big and we don't 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:59.000 have any French golfer major winners so far. Yeah, and 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.760 the guys who get close like Jean and Tomas Leave 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.760 also lost to pay off against Ernie els is really inspiring, 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:09.800 and it is really those guys who drives you. Yeah. 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.520 Now I want to go back a little bit to 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.960 your chipping in and look at your wedges right, and 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.440 your your wedge setup is a little unique compared to 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.040 other tour players because you play a fifty eight degree 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.080 right and then you play a fifty two bent to 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.320 fifty one. So I think a lot of folks would 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.800 look at that, including myself. A boy, that's a big gap. 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.320 And then you have more clubs down at the bottom 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.640 end of your bag, which we'll talk about, right, So 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.280 have you always played kind of a fifty two to 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.480 fifty one and then a fifty eight And do you 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.920 feel like you're you have the ability to control your 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.600 speed and your your your distances to be able to, 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.960 you know, cover any gaps that might have as a 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.400 you know, relative to other players that have you know, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.800 a forty eight fifty two fifty six sixty for example. 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.520 Yeah, that's a good question. I thought a lot about 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.800 maybe adjusting this. It's just the way I grew up. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.360 I always I grew up the last fifteen years using 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.400 just a fifty two fifty eight, So you get more 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.480 and more comfortable with two clubs. I've been trying a 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.080 little bit of fifty six in the middle. Just get 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.760 something a little bit different, like fifty to fifty six 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.640 and fifty eight or sixty. And the thing is, it 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.040 felt like I had almost too much options, so I 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.840 didn't know which shot I should choose, Like should I 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:28.480 play a little fifty six or a full fifty eight 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:33.480 or stronger fifty eight or strong fifty six or small 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.440 fifty two. And I was like, same for the chipping, 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.520 should I use the fifty two bump and run or 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.360 should I just play a fifty six or I was 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.160 a bit confused, and I was like, I have too 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:48.360 much options, which sometimes great because when you're on the cheap, 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.720 it's either the fifty two or either the fifty eight. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:55.360 It's either I or low, let's say. So, I don't know, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.760 it's just the way I felt it. And I always 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.080 like to to have like a highbrid all three iron 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.600 or even both in my bag. So it might change, 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.480 because I'm sure there are tournaments where it's it's better 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.359 to have three wedges, yeah, but for now, I just 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.240 feel comfortable this way. Yeah. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.199 I mean it's just so interesting because again, I mean, 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.639 I feel like four and even five wedges at times 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.160 have become popular on the PGA tour, And to kind 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.840 of simplify it, I do see players a lot of 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:25.840 the time, and I'm not talking about pro players, but 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.080 you know amateur players, even good amateur players, and you 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.359 almost see them always carrying the two or three wedges 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.479 up to hit a chip shot around the green. And 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.760 I think sometimes the commitment is tough to really feel 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.600 like you know exactly what kind of shot you're saying, 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.879 and you're simply going this club's the low one, this 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.000 club's the high one. You know exactly what you're gonna 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.800 what club your pullem when're hitting certain shots. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.560 Yeah, it's more like this. But as I said, I 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.760 think I might go to fifty six sorry, at some point, 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.520 because I think it is really nice in the traps. 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.840 To be fair, fifty to fifty six is really nice 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.800 club in the traps. And also, like for some wedging, 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.080 give you like some like good numbers, one or two 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.760 good numbers, yes, so so yeah, it might change. It depends. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.000 It will depend probably on the golf course I play. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.800 You're crosshanded chipping at what yardage do you switch over? 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.600 Because Matt Fitzpatrick says it's right, like exactly fifty yards, 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.200 So yeah, it's pretty. 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:22.280 Close to Matt. I think the furthest I practice is 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.960 like sixty sixty carry, but I don't to be fair, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.479 when it goes to sixty, I'm already back with the normal, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.280 normal grip. But yeah, most of the time is like 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.160 I used to practice like five balls every distances every ten. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.239 So I go fifty eight twenty thirty, forty yards and 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:44.080 then it was fifty two with I'll do again forty 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.040 yards and then fifty sixty, and then from there I stop. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.120 I just go back to a fifty eighteen normal normal grip. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.320 I always love to ask players kind of goals for 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.440 the year. I mean, you obviously have've already won on 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.840 the PGA Tour, you played Greater August, the National. Did 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.919 you have to readjust some of the goals for the 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.000 season after you did so much early in the year. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:05.280 Yeah, it's not we we haven't really adjusted anything. It's 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.320 just that I set up goals when I started the year, 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.720 and I tried to go down the list and make 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:11.160 them all. 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:12.720 How many have you checked off far? 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:19.520 I think almost almost all just hanging up. I wanted 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.160 to get a win either here in America or back 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.840 in Europe if I come back play later this year. 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.320 So it's done. I wanted to make top seventy on 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.880 the FedEx, so I think I'm pretty pretty okay with that. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.560 I wanted to make a cut in the Major, cut 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.920 in the Major. So yeah, it's pretty much pretty much 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.240 all done. But after I have more goals about like 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.040 process goals and those ones, I'm never really done because 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.679 I really wanted to put more work and get better 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:59.760 preparation before tournaments, so this never stops. So yeah, Actually, 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.000 I think after Hawaii, I had nice top ten there 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.200 and I said to my to my team that one 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.760 of the goals I wanted to put in the list 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.920 two is was to be to become Rookie of the Year. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.520