1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: hit any shot. 4 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: I kind of want. We're gonna be able to tell 5 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: some fun stories about what goes on here to help 6 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: golfers play better golf. 7 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Proving Grounds Podcast. I 8 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: am Shane Bacon, joined by Marty Jerts and Matthew Pavon 9 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: is with us. I know the year has been pretty 10 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: fantastic for you, a big twenty twenty four, obviously getting 11 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: the win at Torrey Pines. But how has this season 12 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: been for you? 13 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible so far. I mean, just having the 14 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 3: opportunity to play here in America full schedule, it's pretty amazing. 15 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 3: And as you said, he could then started the best way, 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: so a lot a lot of tournaments come in, but yeah, 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: so far, it's just incredible. 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: Age thirty one, You've kind of followed a little different 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: journey than a lot of players on the tour, right 20 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: kind of. You know, it's quote unquote journeyman on Challenge Tour, 21 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: deep World Tour. Not a lot of Americans you know, 22 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: new of you unless where they were falling, you know, 23 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: international play quite a bit. How much golf had you 24 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: played in America leading up to your transition joined the 25 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: tour here in the fall and this year. 26 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 3: I mean not much. The only thing I knew really 27 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: about America is I came when I was seventeen after 28 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: high school. I practiced for a year in West Palm. 29 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: We have a French brother there, Thomas Lovey, who played Radaka, 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: one of the biggest names in the French golf. So 31 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: I spent some time with him in West Palm, and 32 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: I get to know a little bit the culture of America. 33 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: How big is sports in America, and also how beautiful 34 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: and great are the facilities to practice, to be fair, 35 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: and then more and more growing up, got few quality 36 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: to play. The US Open. Agreement between DP and PGA 37 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: Tour make me play two times the Barracuda Championship, so yeah, 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: little opportunities to play before, but not many. 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean you you've kind of had your moments Stateside 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: over the years. You mentioned being seventeen, obviously playing in 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: the US Opening, playing well back in twenty eighteen, I 42 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: think you had a top twenty five that year. Are 43 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: you now adjusting to kind of the American lifestyle what 44 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: do you like about it and what do you miss 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: about France? 46 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's all about learning. It's slightly different, 47 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: for sure, but I think that country is just such 48 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: an amazing country for spots and for high performance stuff. 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: The way you guys think, you guys raise your your 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: kids you are raised too, is really different. 51 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: But in what way is like? What's different in terms 52 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: of like that specifically? Because I got two little kids, 53 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: so I'm inntioned in your thoughts. 54 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: It's just so much positivity. Really, it feels like nobody 55 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 3: has limits. You guys believe strong, believes dreams big, and 56 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: this is not what we are teach when we we 57 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: home and we grow up. So it's it's a little 58 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: bit different, and I think it's just an awesome way 59 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 3: to live. 60 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you obviously become a professional golfer, that's what 61 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: a lot of young kids dream of being. How are 62 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: your parents as you were growing up and you were 63 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: thinking about competing as a junior golfer and then obviously 64 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: getting into the professional ranks. How was it personally you 65 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: going through that as a kid in France? 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was nice. 67 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: I was. 68 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: I am very lucky that my two parents are sports 69 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: sports guy. My mum is a golf teacher. My dad 70 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: played football as a professional, was captain of the main 71 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: team of Bordeaux, won the French championship back back in 72 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: the days, so we were. I was a lot into sports. 73 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: They had a lot of positivities and values through sport. 74 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: I think sports teach a lot of great values for life. 75 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: And this is the way I grew up. And obviously 76 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: it got me a little bit into competition. Competition mind 77 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: so no, was just the right way to grow up 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: for me. 79 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: How did how did your parents, being both in sports 80 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: and coaches, helped formulate how you approach your practicing, structuring 81 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: your time. I know in your interview after you want 82 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: a toy, you talk a lot about thinking your team. 83 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: You know, so who is on your team and what 84 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: does that look like right now? In terms of you know, training, fitness, 85 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: mental side of things. How do you how do you 86 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: approach all that? 87 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is the thing I really changed 88 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 3: over the last three years. Where when I started on tour, 89 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of sponsors and I kind 90 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: of was a bit scaled to really invest all the 91 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 3: money I had at that time into a team. But 92 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 3: this is definitely what you have to do if you 93 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: want to get the best out of your game. And 94 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: I slightly sorry to be a team. I have an 95 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: American physical trainer, Ben Sheer, who has a right a 96 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: Cup players and Majors winner. My coach Jamie go also 97 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: write a cup players, and like six or seven guys 98 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: back in back in Europe. We are three playing on 99 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: the PGA Tour putting coach which come from Norway. So 100 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: I have a lot of international Yeah it's really international, 101 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: but you know in friends, like the game is slightly growing, 102 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: and I think for now maybe we don't have all 103 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: the right people to teach everything. You know, we have 104 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: good golf coaches, I'm sure about that, but maybe we 105 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: are a little bit young into i don't know, into 106 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: patting or into physical training or whatever, especially for golf. 107 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: And because you don't have time to take people and 108 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: try to grow all together, I've really decided to invest 109 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: off what's the best year in America and in different 110 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 3: other countries. 111 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: When you're building a team. To Marty's point, how do 112 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: you go I'm always amazed by this, like how do 113 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: you go about it? How do you find the trainer? 114 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: How do you find the coach like are you asking 115 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: other players who they are work with? Like how does 116 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: that go about? As you said, it's been a big 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: part of your journey last. 118 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: So the thing is, I'm really interested about performance, and 119 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 3: when I see people playing great, I try to see 120 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 3: what they do great and where they improved the most 121 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: and stuff like this. And for my swing, I was, 122 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I am a faith player. I always played 123 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 3: fade and I was missing left a lot. And I 124 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: saw that guy Jamie Off and this Sullivan at that 125 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: time write a cup player hitting super beautiful faith and 126 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 3: at a lot of great faith players like Brendon Stone 127 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 3: at that time, and also Lee Houghton, guys one on 128 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 3: tour and been in the top hundred and even more 129 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: top fifteen the world. So I was like, okay, that's 130 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: the type of guy who shaped the ball left to right, 131 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: so I might have to ask him to see my swing. 132 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 3: And this is how we started. Ben Sheer, coach of 133 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: Victor Perez, best French guy at that time, one on 134 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: tour two or three times I think close to being 135 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: the Ryder Cup had that that bad COVID year who 136 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: stopped him. But same I talked to a lot to 137 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: victor because his body of mine and uh, he saw 138 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: changed on his physical physical training with Ben. So got 139 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: to Ben and then putting I saw like I just 140 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: look on my computer, who who are the best part 141 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: on tour and tried to see if there is a 142 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: tendency in between the coach they have and stuff like this, 143 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: and little by little, this is how I create like 144 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: a team in the last three years. 145 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: Marty, this is like professional research. 146 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: With this guy. 147 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: Let's go with that exactly. Let's know some patterns here. 148 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: That's great. So how how long? I mean, obviously you 149 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: you you got your win wired to wire win at 150 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: the end of the last year, end of twenty three, 151 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: the victory this year, When did you start putting those 152 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: pieces in place with your team and start seeing some 153 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: of the you know, the different results come out of that. 154 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it went like, uh slowly but surely. Two years 155 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: ago I had a season on tour get back to 156 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: Race to Dubai finish like fifty years or something. Then 157 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: the year after I got like forty years. So was improvement. 158 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: And we always felt like I was closed and capable 159 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: to win a tournament, but before you actually do it, 160 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 3: you don't really know. And this is what I was 161 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: missing last the last few years. And last year I 162 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: was having like an average year Reaverage, like pretty close 163 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: to the same same resort that I had the past 164 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: few ones, and we were feeling we were getting closed. 165 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 3: And finally that wind drops, and it kind of gives 166 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 3: you freedom in your mind, give freedom to your staff 167 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: because we all know that we are working in the 168 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 3: right direction. We have more, you know, certainties about the 169 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: work we've put on, and I give you just freedom 170 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: to everybody. And then I since then I kind of 171 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: keep rolling. 172 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: Matt, tell us a little bit about I think one 173 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: thing that we find interesting. We've seen this with Matt 174 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: Fitzpatrick is the cross handed chipping. So tell us the 175 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: story of how that came to be. It was fun 176 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: watching you help some of those amazing up and downs 177 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: a toy earlier this year. 178 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: Yes, So the thing is last year, as an amateur, 179 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: I had yips. I couldn't chip anymore. I was like 180 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 3: thirty years in the French ranking and eight hundred in 181 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: the world as an amateur, so pretty far far down 182 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: below everybody. So I was almost close to quit golf 183 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: because I was I was sure that without any chipping, 184 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: you can't really compete as a high level. And just 185 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 3: before the Q School on the app Store, which is 186 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: the third division in Europe, I was like, okay, let's 187 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 3: try to find something or I just quit. And what 188 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: years is, by the way, twenty fourteen or fourteen, And 189 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 3: I started chipping like one handed, and I was like, okay, 190 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: that's better. I don't have yips. But it's like one 191 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: time show. What I'm long when it's straight is what 192 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: I'm left once I'm right. So it's like two average. 193 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, I put reverse. I'm going 194 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: to try to in padding is really close to a 195 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: bump and run with an eight iron. So I started 196 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: with an eight iron with the same grape as my 197 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 3: pudding and I hit a few shots and I was like, okay, 198 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: I'm not scared to hit the ground. I'm not scared 199 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: to the contact. I don't see any movements in my 200 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: hands or whatever. And it started like this, good with 201 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 3: the aid, went to the wedge. Good with the wedge, 202 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: fifty eight. Good with the fifty eight. I was like, okay, 203 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: no more fear, so open the face, close the face, 204 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: draw the ball, flop it the different lines, tight grain 205 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: against everything, and I was fine, and all of a 206 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: sudden I had again that's the world freedom. I had 207 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 3: some freedom because I wasn't scared to miss a grain 208 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: and before every time I had the irons to play, 209 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: I was marching away from the fire because if I 210 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 3: was short sighted, it's pretty much a boggie right away. 211 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: I wasn't scared anymore to play the path fives in two. 212 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: Because would you would you lay up on purpose just 213 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: so you didn't. 214 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: Have to chick. I was looking, I was aiming to 215 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: some of the trips sometimes because in the bunkers I 216 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: was fine. But if I was missing, if I was 217 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: missing my shot in two on the part five on 218 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: the tie line, it could be one fat one thing 219 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: to put and you end up with a six. Right, 220 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 3: So it was Yeah, it was tricky, and also being 221 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 3: having so much relief from that fears, from those fears, 222 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: I I just played with so much freedom Since then. 223 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: Marty, have you ever done it? I know you're a 224 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: guy that tinkers around. Have you done cross it before? 225 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: Because I do feel like it does spin. I think 226 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: it spins better if you ever give it a try. 227 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: Do you never messed around with it? 228 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 229 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: I just just a few times you know, but but 230 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: not seriously. But I'm now I'm tempted. It's one of 231 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: those things. Now we loved Shane, and I love coming 232 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: on and interviewing all of you guys because we end 233 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: up going back and try and stuff on our own. 234 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 3: But it's nice. I mean, as you said, I think 235 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 3: to be fair on really I'm not talking about stuff, 236 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: but really on some some really easy things and just 237 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: pop up the ball in the Yeah, I think you 238 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: can really have a lot of thin compared to H 239 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: left left right now? 240 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: Have you ever gone back? Have you ever gone back 241 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: to see what it looked like the other way? 242 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 3: No, because to be fair. 243 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to see it. 244 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: I'm starting to mastering it more and so I don't 245 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: want to see how it's like texting an next girlfriend. 246 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're doing. 247 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: It is it is. I have less fear than before, 248 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: so I can wedge because before I was also very 249 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: scared on two shots about like forty fifty yards. Now 250 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: I kind of play the normal, so it's fine, but 251 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: I won't I won't ever go back to uh normal. 252 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: For the every day golfer. We now have a club 253 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: for that called the Chipper. 254 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 255 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: Heavy lightweight, you can do crosshanded putting, and so yeah, 256 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: you got you got every the listener has some options 257 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: out there. 258 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you learn English? I'm always interested about 259 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: this with international players because a you obviously got to 260 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: learn another language, and but you've got to feel comfortable 261 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: enough doing stuff like yes, when did you learn it? 262 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: How did you learn it? And when did you start 263 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable enough to speak publicly? 264 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just high school. I think also 265 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: that's bad because I'm just shooting at my country. But 266 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: I think the way we learn English in France is 267 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: probably not the best. It's really like, you know, theory, 268 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: it's like learning a lot of words, but not really 269 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: talking and using. So I think it kind of sucks 270 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: because you have to practice it. You have to talk, 271 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: you have to use it. It's just of just learning 272 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 3: lessons and writing down, writing, you know, on paper. But 273 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: I think I had good basics, and after I went 274 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: to America for a year when I was seventeen, and 275 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: when you're kind of alone in the new country, there 276 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 3: are no way you can escape, so you have you 277 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: can't learn it, No, you have to learn it. You 278 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: have to talk to people at least trying, and this 279 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: is by trying and making mistakes that you become better. 280 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: It's like in golf and everything, and this is the 281 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: way I learned it more and more, and afterwards, when 282 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 3: you become professional and you try so much, the only 283 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: language you really talk is English. 284 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: I was thinking about your country, specifically with golf, and 285 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: I was thinking about how old you must have been 286 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: in ninety nine during that Open Championship. I'm assuming you 287 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: were six seven years old. What was it like consuming 288 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: the Vandervelt experience and what did that do for you 289 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: in terms of wanting to continue to play golf and 290 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: get obviously into the competitive side. 291 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I wasn't looking at the TV at 292 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: that time. I wasn't really into golf. I really have 293 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: a look on one app of what happened with Jean, 294 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: like only maybe ten years ago. But yeah, I mean, 295 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: it is really sad to see finished like this, But 296 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: at the same time it's also inspiring because what he 297 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: has achieved this week was pretty big and we don't 298 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: have any French golfer major winners so far. Yeah, and 299 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: the guys who get close like Jean and Tomas Leave 300 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: also lost to pay off against Ernie els is really inspiring, 301 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: and it is really those guys who drives you. Yeah. 302 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: Now I want to go back a little bit to 303 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: your chipping in and look at your wedges right, and 304 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: your your wedge setup is a little unique compared to 305 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: other tour players because you play a fifty eight degree 306 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: right and then you play a fifty two bent to 307 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: fifty one. So I think a lot of folks would 308 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: look at that, including myself. A boy, that's a big gap. 309 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: And then you have more clubs down at the bottom 310 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: end of your bag, which we'll talk about, right, So 311 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: have you always played kind of a fifty two to 312 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: fifty one and then a fifty eight And do you 313 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: feel like you're you have the ability to control your 314 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: speed and your your your distances to be able to, 315 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: you know, cover any gaps that might have as a 316 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: you know, relative to other players that have you know, 317 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: a forty eight fifty two fifty six sixty for example. 318 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. I thought a lot about 319 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: maybe adjusting this. It's just the way I grew up. 320 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: I always I grew up the last fifteen years using 321 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: just a fifty two fifty eight, So you get more 322 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: and more comfortable with two clubs. I've been trying a 323 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: little bit of fifty six in the middle. Just get 324 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: something a little bit different, like fifty to fifty six 325 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: and fifty eight or sixty. And the thing is, it 326 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: felt like I had almost too much options, so I 327 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 3: didn't know which shot I should choose, Like should I 328 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: play a little fifty six or a full fifty eight 329 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: or stronger fifty eight or strong fifty six or small 330 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: fifty two. And I was like, same for the chipping, 331 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: should I use the fifty two bump and run or 332 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: should I just play a fifty six or I was 333 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: a bit confused, and I was like, I have too 334 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: much options, which sometimes great because when you're on the cheap, 335 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: it's either the fifty two or either the fifty eight. 336 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: It's either I or low, let's say. So, I don't know, 337 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: it's just the way I felt it. And I always 338 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: like to to have like a highbrid all three iron 339 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: or even both in my bag. So it might change, 340 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: because I'm sure there are tournaments where it's it's better 341 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: to have three wedges, yeah, but for now, I just 342 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: feel comfortable this way. Yeah. 343 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: I mean it's just so interesting because again, I mean, 344 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: I feel like four and even five wedges at times 345 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: have become popular on the PGA tour, And to kind 346 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: of simplify it, I do see players a lot of 347 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: the time, and I'm not talking about pro players, but 348 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: you know amateur players, even good amateur players, and you 349 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: almost see them always carrying the two or three wedges 350 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 1: up to hit a chip shot around the green. And 351 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: I think sometimes the commitment is tough to really feel 352 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: like you know exactly what kind of shot you're saying, 353 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: and you're simply going this club's the low one, this 354 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: club's the high one. You know exactly what you're gonna 355 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: what club your pullem when're hitting certain shots. 356 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more like this. But as I said, I 357 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: think I might go to fifty six sorry, at some point, 358 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: because I think it is really nice in the traps. 359 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: To be fair, fifty to fifty six is really nice 360 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: club in the traps. And also, like for some wedging, 361 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: give you like some like good numbers, one or two 362 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: good numbers, yes, so so yeah, it might change. It depends. 363 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: It will depend probably on the golf course I play. 364 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: You're crosshanded chipping at what yardage do you switch over? 365 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: Because Matt Fitzpatrick says it's right, like exactly fifty yards, 366 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's pretty. 367 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: Close to Matt. I think the furthest I practice is 368 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 3: like sixty sixty carry, but I don't to be fair, 369 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 3: when it goes to sixty, I'm already back with the normal, 370 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: normal grip. But yeah, most of the time is like 371 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 3: I used to practice like five balls every distances every ten. 372 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 3: So I go fifty eight twenty thirty, forty yards and 373 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: then it was fifty two with I'll do again forty 374 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: yards and then fifty sixty, and then from there I stop. 375 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 3: I just go back to a fifty eighteen normal normal grip. 376 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: I always love to ask players kind of goals for 377 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: the year. I mean, you obviously have've already won on 378 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, you played Greater August, the National. Did 379 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: you have to readjust some of the goals for the 380 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: season after you did so much early in the year. 381 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not we we haven't really adjusted anything. It's 382 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: just that I set up goals when I started the year, 383 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 3: and I tried to go down the list and make 384 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 3: them all. 385 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: How many have you checked off far? 386 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: I think almost almost all just hanging up. I wanted 387 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 3: to get a win either here in America or back 388 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: in Europe if I come back play later this year. 389 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: So it's done. I wanted to make top seventy on 390 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 3: the FedEx, so I think I'm pretty pretty okay with that. 391 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: I wanted to make a cut in the Major, cut 392 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 3: in the Major. So yeah, it's pretty much pretty much 393 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: all done. But after I have more goals about like 394 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: process goals and those ones, I'm never really done because 395 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 3: I really wanted to put more work and get better 396 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: preparation before tournaments, so this never stops. So yeah, Actually, 397 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 3: I think after Hawaii, I had nice top ten there 398 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: and I said to my to my team that one 399 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: of the goals I wanted to put in the list 400 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 3: two is was to be to become Rookie of the Year. 401 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: So that would be that would be something I'd be 402 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: chasing till the end of. 403 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: There a good race right now for Rookie of the Year. 404 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: I bet if you can't make some of the players, 405 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: a lot of first time winners. 406 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 3: Right yeah, it's I think it's it's great even if 407 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 3: you're not like twenty two anymore, you're thirty one and 408 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: rookie of the PJ TO it's a nice goal. That 409 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 3: would be really awesome to get it. And I mean, yeah, 410 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 3: the race is on with a lot of great players 411 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 3: checking up super nice player. He's the guy who was 412 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: sitting right next to me at the integration weekend with 413 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: the PGATO in Hawaii. So yeah, it's it's just it's 414 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 3: just fun. It's it's a fun race. 415 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, how much do either you or your team 416 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: are into like statistics? Is it? Do you guys deep 417 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: dive on that front? Strokes gains stuff in different areas 418 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: of the game. Are you more focused on your process, 419 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: goals and your results or you factor in that in. 420 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: Look, I'm really I'm really more into process with my team. 421 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: Try to practice the best, very try to be very efficient. 422 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: But the starts are here. I have a guy who 423 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: does my studs in France for me, collects all my 424 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: putts low I mean low side, high side, long shot, whatever, 425 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: collects everything. So it's more like a tool that I 426 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: use with my team to see where my game is, 427 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 3: if we see any trends, and how we can adjust them. 428 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: For example, putting is really important for me because the 429 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: infos we got just give them with my I just 430 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 3: give them to my putting coach and we tweak the 431 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 3: programs because I'm the guy who every Monday, every Tuesday, 432 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: every Wednesday, I have the same exercises to do. So 433 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 3: Monday I have fiveise exercises to do. It's like one 434 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 3: really basics, checking aim, bold, start, and then after I compete, 435 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 3: it's a lot of games where you have to hold puts. 436 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: So every Monday, same program, every choice to Tuesday the 437 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 3: same program, and Wednesday same program. And depending on the stats, 438 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 3: we kind of just like, have I missed a lot 439 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 3: of shot puts? Have I struggled from far distances? Have 440 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: I missed a lot of but low or high sight? 441 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: And this is how we we tweak programs, and we 442 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 3: we are just from tendencies. 443 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: We see what's travel like been like this year? I mean, 444 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: are you traveling? Are you are you hanging out with 445 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: players that are international players, European players. Do you have 446 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: guys who play practice rounds with each and every week 447 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: or you kind of seeing who wants to go out 448 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: and play? How's that been this year on the PGA tour. 449 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know what really to expect. The thing 450 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: is I had the same schedule that my two French 451 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: fellow players, Barjon and Perez and by winning early, I 452 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: didn't I didn't share a lot of time with them, 453 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: so I got a a bit alone. But anyway, on 454 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 3: my schedule this year, I really tried with my staff 455 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: to make sure at every tournament I had someone with me, 456 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 3: so either family, comment, either punning coach, either trainer, either 457 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: fisio or whatever to make sure I'm never alone. 458 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: Gotcha makes sense? How about Uh, we haven't asked you 459 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: about the Olympics yet. I can only imagine you were 460 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: talking about goals for twenty twenty four. That was one 461 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: of the very very high feels like you're you're headed 462 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: that way, but a I mean, you know, you think 463 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: about Ryder Cup years for your European players, and you 464 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: think about I gotta make the Ryder Cup. But have 465 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: an Olympics in France and you're playing the way you've 466 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: been playing. What is that like? Kind of imagining that 467 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: moment as you kind of get prepared for later this year. 468 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: No, no, this is this is unbelievable. I can be 469 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: I can't be proud enough to be to be part 470 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: of this Olympics is huge. I watched them since I'm kid. 471 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 3: I even had the PlayStation game when when I was 472 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: when I was younger, was a tea athen Yeah, yeah, 473 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 3: I know, two thousand and something. But yeah, so we 474 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: we grew up with this, watching it on TV with 475 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 3: my parents, my brother. So it's just just so cool 476 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 3: to to be part of it and also part of 477 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: the French you know, athletes. We have so many great, 478 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 3: great athletes with lots of medals, so being part of 479 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 3: that family is pretty special, and even more when you're 480 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: going to represent your country on your own. 481 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: Sorry, what's the golf course like there? And what do 482 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: you what do you think the world's gonna think of? 483 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: Just the atmosphere for the Olympics this year. 484 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't know, like how big could 485 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: be the crowd over there. The thing is, the golf 486 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: is a little bit out Paris, so it's not like 487 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: the best place in the world to us, I would 488 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 3: say a golf tournament. But the golf course itself is awesome. 489 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: I mean, we had the Ryder Cup over there. It's 490 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: really really nice golf course. It's it's tough. It's gonna 491 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 3: be a very good test for sure. The only bad 492 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 3: thing for me is like I never played great over there. 493 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 3: Maybe it's six six French Open and made the cut once. Different, 494 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: so this is yeah, it's different. It's Olympics and no cuts. 495 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 3: So this is for show one I'm not gonna miss. 496 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 3: But no, I think it's gonna be also playing different 497 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: because it's in August. In the past few years we've 498 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 3: been playing the French Open a little bit later in 499 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: the year, more towards September and October when it's wet. 500 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 3: So no, I think it's gonna be it's gonna be nice. 501 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: I think all the player are gonna like the place. 502 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: You better hit it straight, right, that's the goal there. Yeah, 503 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: that's a golf of course, you better hit it on. 504 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: A straight Yeah. 505 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 3: You have a lot of water and that stretch fifteen 506 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: fifteen to eighteen, it's it's pretty tough, probably one of 507 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: the toughest in the world. 508 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: I would say, man, I want to talk a little 509 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: bit about your gear, your driver. One thing we've seen 510 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: with it that our drivers become very forgiving is that 511 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 2: players can play them longer. We're a big fan of 512 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: doing this with our everyday golfers at the Ping Proving 513 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: Grounds when they come in with our max Max ten 514 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 2: k that now, because it's so forgiving you can play 515 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 2: it a little bit longer. I'm very interested looking at 516 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: your specs off your driver. You play at forty six 517 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: inches yep, right at the limit. How did that come 518 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: to be? And was that an idea you had when 519 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: your team where you're trying to get a little bit 520 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: more speed, a little bit more distance. What's the story 521 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: behind forty six inches? Is your spect? 522 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: So it started with just training to get the middle 523 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: of the face. I don't know why, but at the 524 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 3: moment in my curry, I had a lot of heels. Yeah, 525 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: So we started to cut the driver to get a different, 526 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 3: different club and try to get more center shot. And 527 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 3: in the end it was almost the opposite. I was 528 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 3: still doing heils and heels and hills, so I kind 529 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: of get back to a normal driver, started to hit 530 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: it better. And two years ago I was just trying 531 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: to it's always a club that I've hit it pretty straight. Uh, 532 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 3: And we were looking for a little bit more speed, 533 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, should we try a different 534 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: shaft or should we try I don't know, just shutting 535 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 3: the face a little bit because I was trying. I 536 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: was I felt like I was swinging the club and 537 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: in the end the option we had is just to 538 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: lengthen the driver to create a little bit more speed 539 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 3: and not touching the loft all the all the shaft, 540 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 3: and I found out that it was It was perfect 541 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: for me. It got a little bit more more speed. 542 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: And which is more impressive is that I started to 543 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 3: hit the ball more in the middle of the face. 544 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're using the length a little bit. You 545 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: started to get to work on your centeredness of contact. 546 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: I think one other interesting thing you do is you 547 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: play the driver in our flat positions, so it's three 548 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: degrees flats in our flat dot position. So hopefully by now, Shane, 549 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: the listeners know that the PGA Tour average driver length 550 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: is not forty four and a half like I used 551 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, we got winners like that. You're playing 552 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: it right at forty six inches is quite fun Yeah. 553 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, As I said, I don't know, it's funny. 554 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 3: Like I struggled for years to really get the middle 555 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: of the face with the driver, even if I was 556 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 3: hitting the boat quite straight, and all of a sudden 557 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: we kind of had more length to get. First, we 558 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 3: wanted to get a little bit more speed, yeah, and 559 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: a little bit more distance, and then Indian. It ended 560 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 3: up that I had more speed and a better contact, 561 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 3: so there was it was the right things to do. 562 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: I know, you're a tattoo guy. We got a tattoo 563 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: in mine coming up soon, like a new tattoo. You're 564 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna throw one up, like at the end of the 565 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: year or something like that. 566 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, yeah. Olympic rings. Yeah, so that's been popular 567 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: from that, Yeah, yeah, it is, it is popular. 568 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So where are we going to go with that? 569 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: It's tough. I don't know yet. I don't know yet. 570 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: It's a moment by moment thing. 571 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't know yet. I got like not 572 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: many empty spots now, so I might go down on 573 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 3: the legs. 574 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: Now, when did you When did you get into tattoos 575 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: and why were you into them? Was it a young 576 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: young age thing? 577 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: I think, because yeah, definitely not something who comes with 578 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 3: a golf player. But my dad, as I said, was 579 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: a soccer player. I don't know, it comes maybe from 580 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: that side. Every soccer player back in Europe is tattooed. 581 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 3: So it started like this and I don't know, you 582 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 3: it's really addictive you make one. It was like more 583 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 3: a teenager thing. I mean, I was twenty two, but 584 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: it was more a teenager things. Let's say you get 585 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: one and you're like, yeah, I like it, and then 586 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go out another one, and then again another one, 587 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 3: another one, and he never stops. 588 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite one? 589 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: No, I don't, to be fair, Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, 590 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 3: actually I have My favorite one is a I have 591 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: one on my end call. It's my son's name and 592 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: is the time of his birth. Very very that's the one. 593 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool, very cool. Mattie. Well, tell us a 594 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: little bit about your first trip to Augusta. You finished, 595 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: you finished time for twelve awesome week that week. What 596 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: was some of your favorite memories and how did the 597 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: experience of playing there compared to maybe what you imagined? 598 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so yeah, that's that's special week. Which is 599 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: crazy is like I went there the week before practiced 600 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 3: two days with Shane Lowry and I was really surprised 601 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: because it was looking so open. Like I I arrived 602 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: at the clubhouse, went on the first team and I 603 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 3: was like, Wow, it's really open. I can see the 604 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 3: second green down below. Everything looks soap and you can 605 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: see the holes, you know, on the other trees. You 606 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: can see everything, and really surprised obviously by the hills 607 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 3: and the slope that when when you go up on 608 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 3: the first team you see the first and you're like, wow, okay, 609 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: there is like that miss massive ball and goes up. 610 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, it was it was really special. And Shane 611 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: was laughing on me and said, yeah, wait, wait, wait 612 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 3: till next with your see is not that open. And 613 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: now it was totally true because when you show them 614 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 3: on Monday, it's already i don't know, like more than 615 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 3: twenty thousand people that day and you can't see any holes. 616 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 3: It's just like full of people right to left and 617 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: it makes the thing much more tighter and you and 618 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 3: just an awesome place. It's really really surprising. The first 619 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: day of the practice round is really surprised myself. So 620 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 3: it was good to go the week before get a 621 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 3: little bit of, you know, taste, because the Monday was 622 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: was really special. It was like you know when you 623 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 3: bring a kid to Disneyland. It was exactly the same, 624 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 3: the same feeling. But yeah, I mean that was that 625 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 3: was a crazy week. You can really feel that place 626 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 3: is special. When you hit the second shot into eleven 627 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: from you town on the corner eleven second shot, then 628 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 3: twelve and thirteen You're like, wow, okay, this is this 629 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: is like the coolest three holes in the world. Yeah. 630 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: What I find so interesting about players at the Masters 631 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: is you guys aren't going to go to merch tents 632 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: at normal golf events. You guys aren't gonna go shopping 633 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: at normal golf events. But at the Masters, especially at 634 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: first Masters, you might go shop. You're gonna buy stuff 635 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: for your family. Did you shop? 636 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: I did. Yeah. 637 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: Was the receipts substantial? Well, all your Tory money. 638 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 3: Not a very small amount of my Tory money, but 639 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 3: it was. 640 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 641 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you have so many six to buy. I 642 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: don't know how many flags you get, like twenty thirty flags. 643 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 3: Everybody wants one, so flags are big. Then you get 644 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 3: inside and you see all the different shirts you can get. 645 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 3: You have the all the different sweater, different style like sporty, 646 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 3: you get the nice cashmi, you got everything. Then you 647 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 3: go to club out those different logos, special ones, tea pocket, 648 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 3: like a book with the way I write my notes 649 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,239 Speaker 3: with the Master's logo. It never ends up. 650 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: I wonder. So like idiots like me that go to 651 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: the Masters have friends that text and say buy me 652 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: a shirt. Do you get friends that text you and 653 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: say buy me this, buy me that. 654 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have friends and know the only friends I 655 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 3: have everyone like. 656 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: A random number on your phonel I don't know who 657 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: this is. 658 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: You have guys you havn't full ten years and say oh, 659 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 3: can you grab me a flag when you go back. 660 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: I was like, well, yeah, okay, I got a flag. 661 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: Well, we really appreciate the time. It's been great chatting 662 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: with you. It's been fun watching you play this year. 663 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean the game has been solid, not obviously not 664 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: just at Torrey Pines, but kind of throughout the season. 665 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: And we'll be rooting for you not just the rest 666 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: of the year but into the Olympics. That's gonna be 667 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: really really special. So thanks for the time. 668 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 3: No, no pleasure anytime. And uh yeah it's a it's 669 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 3: really real pleasure to be on that being femini. 670 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: This is the Proving Grounds Podcast.