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Speaker 1: Can we talk about the meltdown that happened last night

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Speaker 1: with the Ravens who were up with four and a

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Speaker 1: half minutes to go forty to twenty five. People were

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Speaker 1: looking going, my goodness, gracious, look at them roll on

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Speaker 1: the road of first game of the year, right forty

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Speaker 1: points on the roll was impressedove it was and then

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Speaker 1: the rains came as far as them melting down.

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Speaker 3: And then Josh Allen put on his Superman cape and

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Speaker 3: save Krypton. That's right, because the Baltimore Ravens you mentioned

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Speaker 3: it led by fifteen points under five minutes to go

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Speaker 3: in the game. Before last night, NFL teams had won

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Speaker 3: seven hundred and seventeen consecutive games in that scenario. In fact,

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Speaker 3: the last team last time a team lost a game

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Speaker 3: like that was in twenty seventeen. It gets worse though. Baltimore,

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Speaker 3: with about seven minutes left in the game, according to

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Speaker 3: ESPN win probability Index, had a ninety eight point seven

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Speaker 3: percent chance of winning the game, and they lost. It

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Speaker 3: was the eight times in twenty twenty one that they

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Speaker 3: lost the game with at least a ninety percent win probability,

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Speaker 3: three more than the next closest team.

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Speaker 4: I got some more numbers for you. Check this out.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens became the first team in NFL history to

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Speaker 3: lose a game where they had forty plus points and

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Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty five plus rushing yards. NFL teams

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Speaker 3: are now two seventy seven and one in that situation.

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Speaker 1: According to the Associated this reminds me of that Knicks

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Speaker 1: playoff game my next to the Celtics, Right, that's same

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Speaker 1: same kind of deal, right, like just the game, you

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Speaker 1: can't believe it.

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Speaker 3: And then here's the worst one if you're a Harball

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Speaker 3: fan or if you're a Harball family member. Head coach

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Speaker 3: John Harbaugh now has the most losses with a ten

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Speaker 3: plus point second half lead seventeen by any head coach

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Speaker 3: in at least the last thirty five season.

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Speaker 4: All right, and I want you to go right there.

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Speaker 1: All the people we know the easy pointing of the finger,

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Speaker 1: and I've heard it all day. Lamar should have just

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Speaker 1: run for the first down. Okay, blame Lamar even though

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Speaker 1: he played a really good game.

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Speaker 5: Derek Henry I fumble, blah blah blah, that was the game.

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Speaker 4: I'm done with both of those guys.

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Speaker 1: As far as that, I'm going to be lazy and

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Speaker 1: just pick one of those two players and say they're

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Speaker 1: the reason why. If I was ownership of the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Ravens last night, I would have fired John Harball. John

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh should be fired as cod of the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 1: This happens Kelvin way too often with the talent that

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Speaker 1: they have. Rob g just told you seventeen times they've

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Speaker 1: given up double digit leads in the second seventeen.

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Speaker 4: I get it. He won a super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't mean you're a pope or a Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: justice and you get to have your job forever.

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Speaker 4: Because you won a super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Starting to remind me of Mike McCarthy with the Packers.

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Speaker 4: They won a super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. One day you wake up

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Speaker 5: and Aaron Rodgers hasn't won in ten years? Right, seriously,

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Speaker 5: stop giving Harvard pass. Do you remember the playoff game

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Speaker 5: in the AFC Championship against the Chiefs when they had

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Speaker 5: some game playing where Lamar threw the ball down instead

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Speaker 4: Remember that that was another one.

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Speaker 5: I can go on and on and on about the

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Speaker 5: bad situations, the bad losses, and there's one common denominator.

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Speaker 5: It's John Harball. Its's time. Stop it. I get it.

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Speaker 4: He won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: You would again, sometimes you have to make that hard decision.

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Speaker 4: I get it. There aren't that many coaches with a

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Speaker 1: Their back pocket. But man, it's Lamar's eighth year with

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Speaker 4: Keep playing.

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Speaker 1: You wake up one day and ten or twelve years

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Speaker 4: He never won.

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Speaker 5: If you can't get fired off of a piss poor

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Speaker 5: finish like that, you can never get get fired. Timbs,

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Speaker 5: Tom Thibodeau. You know why he got fired because he

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Speaker 5: had performance like that. He had gotten the Knicks shoot

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Speaker 5: up the furthest they had gone and since Moby Dick

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Speaker 5: a big situation that was supposed to be a revenge

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Speaker 5: redemption game. They were supposed to storm the rust of

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Speaker 1: After that, forty points on the road in Buffalo and

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Speaker 4: The L they went home with was John Harball. He

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Speaker 5: You got seventeen comebacks when you had a double digit

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Speaker 5: The issue that I have a couple of things. Number One,

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Speaker 5: you're not gonna They're not gonna specifically the Ravens. The

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Speaker 5: the what the Green Bay Packers kind of do, also

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Speaker 5: don't want a lot of chaos, we don't want a

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Speaker 5: getting in the Super Bowls over the last you know,

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Speaker 5: twenty five years. They won one early, they won one,

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Speaker 5: give it ten years ago or so, and they keep

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Speaker 5: giving themselves shots with Lamar Jackson over the last seven

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Speaker 5: eight years. So the issue, I get what you're saying,

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Speaker 5: he has these comebacks on his watch, but you gotta

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Speaker 5: be also saying these comebacks are on the watch of Lamar.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I believe Lamar Jackson's best player in football,

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Speaker 5: been saying it since I've been on the show, and

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Speaker 4: You and I agree on that. We have that same sentiment.

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Speaker 5: But the onus has to fall on we believe the

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Speaker 5: multiple MVPs and should have won last year as well,

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Speaker 5: he has to find a way in some of these Now.

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Speaker 5: Last night, Derek Henry did them no justice with the fumble,

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Speaker 5: who had an outstanding game until the fumble. And also

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Speaker 5: they some of the play calling, like to me, I'm

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Speaker 4: Should you watch the defense for the Ravens that's on Lamar.

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Speaker 5: No, no, man, I'm just saying, like, no, hold on,

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Speaker 4: I'm asking I say.

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Speaker 5: So, I'm talking a more broader picture because if I

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Speaker 4: But some of those.

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Speaker 5: Eight double digit leads in the last and years are

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Speaker 5: of those teams. Lamar Jackson is so talented he can

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Speaker 5: find a way. Sometimes. Lamar Jackson can look at John

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Speaker 5: Harbaugh and say, nah, bro like I've seen many quarterbacks do,

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Speaker 5: we're going for this, and he look at Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 5: He looked at himself and said, we're getting two plus

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Speaker 5: So that's why I'm going for rob to your point,

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Speaker 5: to go for this. I'm not listening none y'all talking

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Speaker 5: about put it on me. I am the leader of

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Speaker 5: Fourth and two. I got Derrick Henry, I got myself,

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Speaker 5: I got Jay Flowers, I got tight ends, I got

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Speaker 5: this offensive line. We're going to get two yards. And

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Speaker 5: So it's not his fault.

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Speaker 4: They lost.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Now, Lamar played out standing, But what I'm saying

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Speaker 4: He had to find a way. And to me, did

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Speaker 4: you hear what you just said? Though?

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Speaker 5: No, No, what I'm saying is specifically on that play,

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Speaker 5: not the overwrocking game. But to your point of firing Harball,

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Speaker 5: you can't just fire somebody. And this is where me

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Speaker 4: It's not like.

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Speaker 1: You're firing after after two or three years. This is

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Speaker 1: for eight years. He's one of the most talented, unique players.

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Speaker 1: And you keep putting all these teams around and every

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Speaker 4: So I didn't say no smoke.

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Speaker 5: I didn't say every game but seventeen double digit loss

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Speaker 5: and you're sitting here talking about Lamar when.

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Speaker 4: The defense gave up in the fourth quarter. Points in

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying is they're not going to get rid

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Speaker 4: Stop, brother, they going to I'm telling you they should.

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Speaker 4: I'm not just.

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Speaker 5: Because like I told you, Chim should have been fired.

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Speaker 5: You sat here all all day. Oh Jim just got

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's the best thing the Knicks have

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Speaker 5: And guess what the Knicks did. They said enough and enough.

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Speaker 5: Don't look like they're gonna be a great What you

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Speaker 5: don't even know about that ball? John Harball? No, John

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Speaker 5: Harball is not Absolutely he's way He's terrible. Now he's

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Speaker 5: been terrible. That gets you. You're not fired, I'm not

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Speaker 5: super Bowl? Has he gotten you with the mob?

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Speaker 4: Tell me. I said, he gets you in the possession

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Speaker 4: of super Bowl. Then give me to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Ye give me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have a con get you just like

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Speaker 5: in just like in Green you just said, Jack, I

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Speaker 5: got you. The team built around now every year Lamar

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Speaker 5: has a team. Everywhere Lamar is outstanding. But when we

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Speaker 5: at it where they turtles all every down?

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Speaker 3: That was?

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Speaker 4: That was Lamar? Who was that? But I'm not firing John.

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Speaker 4: Why not? He's not getting the job done.

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Speaker 1: Every year they picked the Ravens to go to the

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Speaker 5: At some point, you can't keep doing the Senate. You

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Speaker 4: Hey what's up everybody? It's me three time Pro.

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Speaker 4: Was that a game.

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Speaker 5: That's where I ran into somebody. Shout out to TJ.

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Speaker 5: Who's Manzada? Our guests now former Pro Bowl wide receiver,

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Speaker 4: Some days.

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Speaker 5: Your body is just like noing on those days. Luckily

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Speaker 5: Use as director. You have them days. TJ now out

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Speaker 4: From days.

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Speaker 7: Not yet, but I'm sure they coming. Man, you just

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Speaker 7: You good like I'm at every time we do this.

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Speaker 1: There you go where you want to start? Rob My

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Speaker 4: A great man.

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Speaker 7: We were killing that thing, Rob killing that bang good one.

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Speaker 1: Let's go here. Uh you're a pro, so you didn't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they just washed down looked really good.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm expecting. That's my core.

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Speaker 7: And the reason I agree with you, Rob is because

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 7: I don't want to get ahead of myself. Yep, but

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Speaker 4: I tried to tell them that. I'm with you, man, they.

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Speaker 7: Might be cooked. And play calling when you call to

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Speaker 5: I told Rod, did I think they went up against

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Speaker 7: Man? Kevin listen, So I try to I try to

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Speaker 4: Seven yards the Bengals the second half. That's not even possible,

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Speaker 7: Now? You can't you can't play the Cleveland Browns and

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Speaker 1: All Right, Hey, TJ, I want to ask you, this

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Speaker 1: is what impressed me the most about Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday. They couldn't run the ball.

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Speaker 7: I thought Aaron Rodgers was unbelievable. Man. He looked like

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Speaker 7: They're gonna be a top six to seven defense. You

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Speaker 5: Who's eighty four on X There's a bunch of a

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Speaker 7: I felt like going into the season, the Chiefs win

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Speaker 1: You know, finally it was. It was the full package

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Speaker 5: And TJ so many seventeen double digit second half losses

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Speaker 4: And I'm dead serious.

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Speaker 7: Rob, I cannot agree with that tape because I'm a

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Speaker 4: But he's turned into Doc Rivers.

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Speaker 4: And I'll just'll end on this for me. When they

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Speaker 7: Those dudes right there are really good players. They have

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Speaker 7: to make a play when the play needs to be made,

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Speaker 7: like Josh Allen had damn Mere had a game worth

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Speaker 7: the passing yards.

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Speaker 5: In a fourth quarter rulous, ridiculous, So he threw for

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Speaker 5: over two hundred yards in a fourth quarter.

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Speaker 7: That to me is the biggest problem is defensively, they

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Speaker 7: need to get a stop. They need to keep contained

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Speaker 7: on a mobile quarterback like Josh Shallen, stop letting him

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Speaker 7: get out of the pocket. But I'm not firing Haul

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Speaker 7: while he's one of the top seven coaches in the league.

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Speaker 7: No way would I find. I'm not even thinking about

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Speaker 7: firing him. They just got to finish, to finish, and

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Speaker 7: this is another thing they are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at some point, don't you he has to

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Speaker 1: get some of the blame as well because his team

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Speaker 1: can't finish.

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Speaker 7: He can't that bubbled by Derreck Henry. What can he

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Speaker 7: do about that? Because if Derek Carry don't fumble the

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Speaker 7: games over.

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Speaker 5: I get that, But I'm saying this is not just

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Speaker 5: last night seventeen double digit loss, seven seven years seventeen, TJ.

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Speaker 4: That's an unbelievable number.

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Speaker 7: Let me tell you what should happen. This is just

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Speaker 7: my opinion. When you have a mobile quarterback like Lamar Jackson, right,

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Speaker 7: you want to spread out. So now things read like

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Speaker 7: I'm not running many tight formations with Lamar Jackson. So

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Speaker 7: now blitches can come from anywhere and they're closer. I'm

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Speaker 7: gonna spread you out. I'm gonna spread you out. Now

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Speaker 7: if you want to blitch, you got a blitch from

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Speaker 7: a distance or are you gonna show it? And now

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Speaker 7: Lamar can either gas you in a run game or

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Speaker 7: hit somebody in the passing game, like give me some

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Speaker 7: more four or five wides when you do throw the ball,

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Speaker 7: because it makes it easier for Lamar his athleticism. You

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Speaker 7: can't play that way with him.

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Speaker 5: Well, listen, man, I was with you. We had this

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Speaker 5: whole That's how we started the show. I said, I'm

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Speaker 5: not letting John Harbo go I under and He definitely

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Speaker 5: has some issues and some games you want to have.

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Speaker 4: Fire Doc Rivers, he can be fired now. He's definitely

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Speaker 4: better than Doc Rivers, though.

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Speaker 7: Under I played under Harrball, Man, I played under a

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Speaker 7: lot of coaches towards the end of my career. Bro

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Speaker 7: Harball is not a good coach. He's a great coach.

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Speaker 7: The way he relates to guys and meetings like, it's

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Speaker 7: just different. It's different when a guy gets in front

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Speaker 7: of the team and he speaks and you listen and

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Speaker 7: you really believe what he's saying. Is a lot of

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Speaker 7: coaches they get up there and talk and you'd be

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Speaker 7: like Charlie Brown, Bro, like, I'm not trying.

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Speaker 5: Hey, TJ, we're up against it. Man, appreciate you as always, Mabe.

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Speaker 5: What have you on next week?

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Speaker 1: Remember TJ Sports has a short MANU wins and losses.

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Speaker 4: That's all I got you.

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Speaker 7: You're right about that. I'm about to go condition.

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Speaker 4: All right, go get it in Man.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple

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Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm

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Speaker 2: Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: Updating the Yeah they just went for fourth and three.

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Speaker 4: Didn't get it.

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Speaker 5: I didn't get it, and they tried to kick the

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Speaker 5: field goal to go up seven. Ben Jon, I mean

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Speaker 5: that saim he's gonna be aggressive.

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Speaker 1: And that was the first incomplete. He was ten for ten, right,

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Speaker 1: Caleb to start the game.

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Speaker 4: Should have been I think it was missed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is an interesting development here in this game.

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Speaker 3: As you guys mentioned, Caleb Williams started the game ten

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Speaker 3: for ten before that fourth down. In completion, he's ten

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Speaker 3: for ten for eighty six yards. He's also added a

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Speaker 3: rushing touchdown. And if you look at Twitter, you would say, gosh, Lee,

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams looks as good as advertised. He looks like

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Speaker 3: the number one pick. He looks like a generational prospect

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Speaker 3: we led to believe. But if you look at another

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Speaker 3: segment of Twitter, and we don't have the sound on

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Speaker 3: in the studio, ars I'll give you the exact quote.

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Speaker 3: But there's another faction that's saying during the broadcast that

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Speaker 3: Troy Aikman has really let him have it.

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Speaker 4: Is he that he is not playing.

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Speaker 3: Within structure the way that Ben Johnson likes to play.

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Speaker 3: You know that Kelvy Rick reliance, that he is not

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Speaker 3: pulling the trigger when things are open down the field,

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Speaker 3: that he's dancing in the pocket a little too much,

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Speaker 3: and to his credit, he's making something happen that probably

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Speaker 3: he wasn't there. But if he would have played the

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Speaker 3: way the offense is meant to be played, they would

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Speaker 3: have had more yardage, more points.

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Speaker 4: And here's another more than seven what twenty years another?

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Speaker 3: See, that's why I know Rob has a guy, right,

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Speaker 3: he's got a guy he's got to get just.

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Speaker 1: Like No, but but people at home talking about, oh,

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Speaker 1: they should be up twenty one nothing really really, Rob

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Speaker 1: g they should be up twenty one nothing?

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Speaker 4: God? What is that? I mean?

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying because we get to see it, but

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Speaker 5: we can't like pay attention to everything. We're talking to

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Speaker 5: each other, we're looking at our notes.

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Speaker 4: So no, but these are people at home, is what

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about. What we were saying. What does he miss?

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Speaker 3: So that's why I'm trying to find the audio again,

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Speaker 3: they're not publishing it right now on social media. I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to watch it on a second. Nobody's giving you

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Speaker 3: that to listen to what he's saying. But a lot

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Speaker 3: of these comments are saying, you know, Troy Aikman really

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Speaker 3: hates Kayler Williams. Paraphrasey, Troy Aikman money that football. So

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Speaker 3: here's an example, said last year's Lions led the NFL

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Speaker 3: in yards after catch. That was a product of Jared

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Speaker 3: Goff leading receivers where they needed to go. And an

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Speaker 3: example of the play that they're talking about, Cayleb Williams

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Speaker 3: throws an Aaron pass, the receiver catches it and falls

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Speaker 3: down for a gain of four. It should have been

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Speaker 3: a gain of eight. H Okay, that kind of stuff. Troy,

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Speaker 3: Let's say what he said is true. This is his

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Speaker 3: first game with the with the with the new coordinator. Like, dude,

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Speaker 3: this is what I'm saying. And here's the other issue

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Speaker 3: that they're pointing out is again all through training camp,

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Speaker 3: and Rob even knows because he's singing the notes that

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Speaker 3: I've sent out. One of the issues they had was

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Speaker 3: getting in out of the huddle.

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Speaker 4: Oh, penalties.

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Speaker 3: They already have four penalties fifty seven yards here in

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Speaker 3: the first quarter and a half, and two of them

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Speaker 3: were of the false start Vriiet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did see that that. I was just tell

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Speaker 4: him Rob, I didn't like that.

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Speaker 3: And if you're watching the game, even with sound on

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Speaker 3: or off, you can see they've shown Ben Johnson half

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Speaker 3: full of times and you would not think that he's

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Speaker 3: a guy who's up seven to three here an opening.

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Speaker 4: Well, he is a man, he's a perfectionist.

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Speaker 5: He's crazy like he's one of those you know, just

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Speaker 5: has to work like this and the sinking and timing,

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Speaker 5: and so he's they're gonna have a love hate relationship

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Speaker 5: because Kleb is gonna make him look great sometimes because

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Speaker 5: he's just he's that gifted his arm, his ability to run.

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Speaker 5: But then also what he likes time, me pacing, getting

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Speaker 5: out of the huddle, getting a looking back, reading things faster.

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Speaker 4: That's not Cales.

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Speaker 3: You saw that after that first touchdown where he made

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Speaker 3: something happen. He explosed to the left side run scoring touchdown.

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Speaker 3: They immediately showed Ben Johnson he's scowling because again I'm

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Speaker 3: sure there was something he saw hit the tied end.

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Speaker 5: So they're gonna have a love hate relationship because Ben

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Speaker 5: Johnson was used to a nineteen ninety two prototypical quarterback

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Speaker 5: in Jered Go.

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Speaker 4: He ain't moving, he ain't running nowhere. This is what

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Speaker 4: we do. This is time. This is safe. I just crazy.

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Speaker 1: You start ten for ten, you're leading the game, you

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Speaker 1: got a touchdown, you got twenty one yards on the ground,

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Speaker 1: and let's find for it. I just think I just

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Speaker 1: think that, like you could overanalyze something that way, we will, Okay.

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Speaker 4: You can go.

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Speaker 5: This is people are gonna overanalyze because Ben Johnson being

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Speaker 5: so related what he cost these.

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Speaker 4: One for two passing him? All right? Is that what

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Speaker 4: he at one for two?

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Speaker 3: Rob It's not always the end result that these guys can.

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Speaker 3: You know that it is, but it's not with these coaches.

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Speaker 3: Like you've been a sports period, but it's a long

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Speaker 3: time and you know that there are coaches say use

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Speaker 3: my system, use my teaching.

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Speaker 5: This is this is one game, like the one quarter.

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Speaker 5: I just don't like, likebiously, it's one quarter.

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Speaker 1: If you told me that this was four games in

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Speaker 1: and he's still he hasn't adjusted yet or he's not

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Speaker 1: doing that, maybe I would buy into it. I just

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Speaker 1: can't look at like one quarter that he's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be Jared Golf and the Lions offense in one in

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Speaker 1: one quarter?

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Speaker 4: This is what this is.

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Speaker 5: Do you know what I've Jared Golf, but you could

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Speaker 5: go back to his first few games, and he wasn't there,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like when he first started.

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Speaker 4: And it takes a little time, That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I think that what we're seeing is Williams, you know,

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Speaker 4: too much time on this.

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Speaker 5: Well, this Kayler Williams is gonna be showing how talent

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Speaker 5: he is. Ben Johnson's gonna say, I want you to

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Speaker 5: work in this system. And there's gonna be a weird

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Speaker 5: where we should be. He used to be happy he scored.

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Speaker 5: That wasn't how he should have scored. You're gonna see

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Speaker 5: a bunch of that with them.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Here, because I gotta give you the business because you

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Speaker 1: spent You spent from the Fox. You spent the whole

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Speaker 1: off season ripping the shreds Aaron Rodgers that he can't play,

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Speaker 1: and why in the world would the Steelers wait for him?

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Speaker 1: And they're dumb and they don't have Rodgers and they

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Speaker 1: don't have a plan, and Aaron Rodgers this and that,

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Speaker 1: and you could not have been more wrong about whether

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Speaker 1: or not the guy can still play.

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Speaker 4: And yesterday, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean Bucky Brooks to me, you did a Bucky Brooks

635
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Speaker 1: where Bucky Brooks came on this show said Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: was washed up and he should go to Chicago and

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Speaker 1: finish his career.

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Speaker 4: That was before he won the back to back MVPs.

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Speaker 1: That was Bucky Brooks who said he was washed up

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Speaker 1: back then. And you spent all off season talking about

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Speaker 1: what a mistake the Steelers made.

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Speaker 4: And i'm he's.

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Speaker 5: Forty one context what I said, but he's forty one.

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Speaker 5: No no, but you said they made a mistake, and

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Speaker 5: you wouldn't have waited all that. No, no, no, no no,

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Speaker 5: you said he couldn't play. Play since you did, Rogerie

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Speaker 5: sits here every day, never said Aaron Rodgers can play.

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Speaker 5: He had twenty eight touchdowns eleven and no, you said

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Speaker 5: the numbers numbers, future build up or nobody cares about

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Speaker 5: the future.

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Speaker 4: There's no such things. There's no such thing. The future

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Speaker 4: is now. The future is now. You're trying to win now.

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Speaker 1: And yesterday was a perfect example of why the Dealers

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Speaker 1: wanted Aaron Rodgers. They couldn't run the ball, they couldn't

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Speaker 1: stop anybody on defense, and they still won the game

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Speaker 1: because he played well. Seventy three percent completions, throw back

657
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Speaker 1: shoulder throws. He was able to do a thing that

658
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys can't do, which is quarterback at

659
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Speaker 1: high court at a high volume and high quality. He

660
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: played extreme and he doesn't turn the ball over. He'll

661
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: give you a chance to win. And a lot of

662
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Speaker 1: people took their time and spent all summer bad without

663
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: right people. Forget that last year. Go look at the numbers.

664
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Speaker 5: He was coming off the Achilles right, he was coming

665
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 5: off of the injury.

666
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 4: And he got better.

667
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: Rob g We've talked about these numbers in the second

668
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: half of the season as he got more healthy.

669
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 4: This pass offseason, Oh, that.

670
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: Just doesn't make any sense to me. He not a

671
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 5: trading game. He not taking any snapped. He got new receivers,

672
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 5: he's got a new offense. Oh my god, this is

673
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: going to be a disaster. That Where are all those

674
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 5: people who hoped and prayed that this would be a disaster.

675
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 5: You can't sit here now and say to yourself that

676
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 5: the stealers were crazy. They got dividends on Game one,

677
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 5: which is a great game one on the road where

678
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 5: you can't run the damn ball.

679
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: You'll one dimensional with.

680
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 5: A forty one year old quarterback, and you get a

681
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: w you just you know you. All you're doing is

682
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 5: further on my point, the Steers can't run the ball,

683
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: which looks like they may not be able to run

684
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 5: the ball at all all season. Come on, no, I'm

685
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 5: saying a prolific running team they might run the ball.

686
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 4: Hair.

687
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers did this against the guy who was supposed

688
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 5: to be nothing. All we heard off season was Justin

689
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 5: Fields ain't good? Justin Fields look horrible? Justin Fields?

690
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: Ain't that? Justin Fields played dak near just as good

691
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: as Aaron Rodgers? Did he win the game? Aaron Rodgers?

692
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: Did he win the game? Aaron Rodgers? Did he win

693
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: the game? And Aaron Rodgers for Super Bowl? That they

694
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: went for three hundred yards on the ground.

695
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 5: That's why, that's why Justin Field gots the concern.

696
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: He can't throw the ball. He has to run. He

697
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: threw the ball a touchdown. No, he has to run

698
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: the ball.

699
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 5: If they don't run for two hundred plus yards, he's

700
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 5: not buya ball.

701
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 4: They almost a problem.

702
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 5: They put four hundred yards of total offense on the Steelers.

703
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: You had to did they win? A Justin Fields led

704
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 5: team by the Jets put four hundred yards upon your head?

705
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: They listening to you.

706
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 5: Did they win? Justin Fields can't play? Did they win? No,

707
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: you're the one who said that, Aaron Rodgers, that was

708
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 5: a waste for them too. I don't understand they should

709
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 5: keep Justin Fields. They've watched you the field and all.

710
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 5: It ain't about the future. It's about now. It's about

711
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: winning now. It's not about the futures, about the future.

712
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 5: It's about winning now. Nobody cares about five years now.

713
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 5: Every team that you like now, every team that you like,

714
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 5: and I don't mean you, I mean anybody you you

715
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: they have their quarterback. The Pittsburgh Steelers have Aaron Rodgers

716
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 5: who look good when when he looked good, but I

717
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 5: don't expect him to look like that through the season

718
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 5: because you know, Suels look good. Russell Wilson looked good

719
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 5: to the two to six in a row and then

720
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 5: what six losses in a row including the postseason. So

721
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers had a good game. Aaron Rodgers is one

722
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 5: of the greatest quarterbacks.

723
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: I l c you.

724
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 5: You nobody's saying he sucked. I verbatim and use the

725
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 5: words such. I said, he is not going to you made.

726
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 5: He's not the guy I want to I want to

727
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: start building for the future because same year I'm in

728
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: this year, I'm in the same We got better on

729
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 5: the Joe ten wins. They are Damar Jackson, and I'm

730
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 5: in the same conference with Lamar, with Lamar, with Josh

731
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 5: Allen and Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert. So my point

732
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 5: always has been, if you're the Steelers, you start to

733
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 5: play for the future so that no games regularly they

734
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 5: want to play.

735
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: Did they make the playoffs last year? Yes?

736
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: And you told me that Russell Wilson was terrible, right,

737
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: and they made the playoffs?

738
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 4: Did they yes?

739
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: Okay, so now they got a quarterback who who as

740
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: we saw yesterday, if they get any kind of running game,

741
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: and you know, you just heard TJ. Houschmanzada who said

742
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: that defense is going to be better, that was you'll

743
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: never be better. You will never That's the best game

744
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna see from Justin Fields all year. You will

745
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: not see what we saw yesterday commit four touchdowns.

746
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 5: If people don't do that with no interception, it's only

747
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 5: happened twenty eight times twice.

748
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 4: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodger again.

749
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 5: So, but but the idea if he would have had

750
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 5: foreign exceptions and whatever.

751
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 4: You would have been in here today trashing him that

752
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: he can't play. Aaron Rodger did not expect that? Did

753
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: you expect that? Did you expect that? Yes?

754
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: No, you did exceptions? No, no, Rod, Yes, yes, I'm

755
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: talking about you. Did not expect him to play that

756
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: well within it, nothing else was going.

757
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 5: Didn't expect was the Jets to put up a thirty

758
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 5: two piece and if they don't pick, the Steelers don't kick,

759
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 5: they win the yard field goal. That's sixty yard still stop, man,

760
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 5: Come on sixty in the NFL. No, that's number one

761
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 5: sixty yard field gon?

762
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: Stop it. What's the record? Isn't it sixty years? You're

763
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 4: not gonna have the record for to be a big deal.

764
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 4: He would have made it by seventy.

765
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 5: I'm sitting here telling me about did they win, because

766
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 5: when the Chiefs or the Lions won a tune of

767
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 5: fifteen and two, you didn't want to hear it.

768
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: No, So don't tell me his win.

769
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 5: No, because Aaron Rodgers didn't win at all last year

770
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 5: and twelve? So is it win or is it I

771
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 5: like that he won this one? Which one is it?

772
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: It was that in the bin the biggest game to start,

773
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: because this is a new start, and everybody bashed him

774
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: all year, Like you could dislike Aaron Rodgers and that's fine.

775
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 4: Right, but if you don't think this guy can play, I.

776
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 5: Think about forward. There was a lot of because Tom

777
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 5: Brady played till he was forty five.

778
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: So what something he doesn't have, it doesn't matter. Anger ring,

779
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: that's all right. Yeah, he didn't have a top five

780
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: defense his whole career game of ring. Tom Brady won

781
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: a championship without throwing a touchdown.

782
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 5: He won too talented to the ring because he has

783
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 5: a bad coach, just like Lamar has.

784
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: Like in John Harball, he has the same exact situation

785
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.

786
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 4: Point to you.

787
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: Point to you is that you couldn't have been more

788
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: wrong about Aaron Rodgers and why the stealers waited.

789
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 5: I'm still laughing that I'm one game against the Jets

790
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 5: against his former team of Jets. Mind you, the best

791
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 5: part about it is too justin fields looked better than

792
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers did with the whole Jets. And mind you,

793
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 5: the Jets did everything they could for Aaron Rodgers. You

794
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 5: want to coach, we'll get you in the Hackett, you

795
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 5: want to be part, we'll fire him.

796
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 4: I give you this. I'm gonna bring in receivers.

797
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 5: The Jets gave Aaron Rodgers every single thing he could

798
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 5: ever ask for to achieve with the Jets, and he

799
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 5: ain't looked that good.

800
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: And then Justin Fields, who is not even he looks horrible.

801
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 4: We heard comes right in. That's what's better than Aaron Rodgers.

802
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 4: That's why he's on his third team in three years.

803
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 5: I'm saying just everything he did not. You want quoterback,

804
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 5: you want Hacket, what you want your whole receiver? Hello,

805
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: y'all want to come play with that? He also was

806
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 5: coming off for injury, and you know everything. Here's the thing,

807
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 5: here's the thing, and you saw twelve saw it yesterday.

808
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 5: Because people like you who continue to what to talk

809
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 5: about without without really being honest about what all the

810
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: talent he.

811
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: No, he said he can't play.

812
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 5: You never said that. We'll get the about it. We'll

813
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 5: get the tape. Aaron said, you can't play. You said

814
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 5: last day he was awful. He said last name was awful,

815
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 5: and he said that that you did. I'm gonna get you,

816
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 5: gonna tell what I said. I'm gonna get you to tank.

817
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 5: You know, Elijah said here, I'm gonna get you to tank.

818
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 5: Rogerie sits here. You know, they hear what I said,

819
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 5: all right, I said, Steelers, move forward, get your guy

820
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 5: in the future, Go get your Michael.

821
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 4: You couldn't.

822
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: You couldn't understand why they, why they why they waited

823
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: for him.

824
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: Who's gonna be Russell Wilson