WEBVTT - Severance Season 2 Episode 7: Chikhai Bardo 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.960 Today's episode contained spoilers for the seventh episode, the huge 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.760 seventh episode of the second season of Severance. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:08.639 Be warned. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:28.479 Hello, and it is Jasconcepcion and I'm Rosie Night and 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:30.319 welcome back to x Revision of the podcast where we 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.920 dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:35.880 We're coming you from my our podcast where we're bringing 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:40.839 you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Thursday, Wednesday, with 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:41.959 news on Saturday. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:48.159 In today's episode, Oh baby, we're going to the testing 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.800 flow and it's gonna be terrible. We are talking Severance 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.440 two o seven, maybe one of the most powerful episodes 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.560 of TV over the year so far, also absolutely heartbreaking. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.320 So we will be digging into that, all of our theories, 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.319 everything that we spotted that maybe you didn't, and obviously 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.720 you guys can tell us what you spotted in the discord. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.800 Also quick reminder, I've been very excited to see everybody 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.840 jumping on our next book club title, which is The 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:19.199 Magician and the Alchemist's Gate from the Ted Chang short 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.679 story collection Exhalations Ed. This is a fave story of 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.240 mine and Jason's. It's also very popular within the discord, 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.000 so if you want to join the Discord chat about 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.120 book Club. Last note and remember you can listen to 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.960 our debut book Club episode about Dead Evil Borne again 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:34.640 right now. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:43.120 Previously on sever And season two episode seven, Chicky Bardo, 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.760 which is the a stage of death according to the 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.880 ego Buddhist ego death the Buddhist belief system. We all 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.080 been on flashbacks some years ago. Mark and Jemma are 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:58.320 both working as teachers at a university or a college somewhere. 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.720 They meet at a blood drive, which we will talk about. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:08.240 I say, you may notice something wrong about this picture. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.280 And immediately one of the things that I think is 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.440 like really good about this show and really patient and 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:21.800 is not easy to do is the storytelling. Look how 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:26.760 good Mark and Jemma look. It's specifically Mark, what is 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:31.160 this telling you? Years of depression of grief have taken 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.840 a toll on Mark, Like. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.160 He is like so confident here they're so yeah. I 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.480 mean Gemma also almost looks like a different person. She 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.440 looks the way that they made her up, the way 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.560 they and there is this instant chemistry and connection and 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.920 even the way that their arms are being you know, 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.120 drained for the for the blood drive. Means that they 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.800 have to hold hands in the middle to shake hands, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.119 but it's more of an immediate intimate connection. It's it's 0:02:58.200 --> 0:02:59.040 so great. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:00.000 So she's great. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.840 A paper about Tolstoy is the death of Ivan Ilyitch 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.239 and he's crating a paper about drug use in World 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.320 War One and they immediately hit it off. Elsewhere, we 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.840 cut to the Lumen testing floor, where we see in 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:19.080 the present Gemma or the present ish, We don't really 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.200 know the timeline right, but Gemma's getting her blood taken 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:24.639 by Sandra Bernhard. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.640 Way just like throw it in my mind. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.920 She's getting her blood taken by Sandra Bernhardt, and she's 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.720 living down here. She got a little apartment down on 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.520 the test floor, very prison like. And the nurse asks, 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:41.559 because it was clear that Jemma was thinking this flashback 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:46.119 is was Gemma's recollections. She was remembering this moment because 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.960 she's having her blood taken down here on the testing floor, 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.880 and she's remembering, Oh, yeah, that's how I met Mark, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.560 Remember when we met at the blood drive. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.800 And so the nurse asks, where'd you go? Just now? 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.320 And we realize that in this moment that we are 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.240 in the recollections Gema's recollections of Mark. This is important 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.680 the flashbacks and whose perspective the flashbacks take place in 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:08.800 is going to be important. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:09.520 We will discuss. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.160 We get another flashback and it's Mark and Jemma living together, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.600 and it's very clear that they are happy, and again 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.680 it's heartbreaking stuff. We go to Mark's house in the present. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.119 That flashback, by the way, I think is taking place 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:24.599 in Mark's dreaming. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.600 As regarding it, this is kind of the ebb and 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.120 flow that makes this episode so interesting because it's starting 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.599 to make us ask questions about what can you remember, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.280 what can you not remember? We are definitely, as we 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.520 were talking out in the group chat, we are definitely 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.640 in an eternal sunshine of the spotless mind type situation 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.400 when it comes to what is reliable who can remember 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.240 for sure? And yeah, I'm very interested to talk more 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.920 about whose recollections these are. And also if there's some 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.760 kind of situation where once you have been severed, there 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.320 is maybe like a hive mind element to certain parts, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.440 if you have shared history with someone else, I don't know. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.000 I think that's some really interesting stuff. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.520 That's an interesting thing to think about. And I've been 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:09.400 wondering that myself. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:09.800 Okay. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.839 Devin is freaking out because Mark's in a fucking coma 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.520 and has been, uh, you know, doing this reintegration process 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.359 without her knowing, and she's she's losing it. 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.680 Regaby's like, he just needs to rest. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:28.920 He's gonna be okay, and Devin really doesn't believe it, 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:30.520 and she's like. 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.680 You're not allowed to talking about what are you talking about? 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:35.560 I don't know about this. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.359 I don't know what's Devin is like, you're not allowed 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.640 to do this anymore to my brother, and Regaby is like, well, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.120 this is what he wants to do because this is 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.359 how he will get Gemma back, and Devin's like, we 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.440 don't even know if she's live, and She's like she's fucking. 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.000 And also, Devin, interestingly, I think we've kind of talked about, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.600 like what's her purpose in the show, Like is she 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.560 an art? Has been a popular conversation in fandoms, but 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:03.200 I have to say she's an I don't think she's 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.760 an op. I think that she is as many of 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:10.279 these characters are morally gray, but here I was really believing, like, oh, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.240 this is your brother, and you will legit kill this 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.880 woman if she ever fucks with him, like, I really 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.120 believe that, and also interestingly with Gaby says to her, 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:23.840 this is how you like, both of you get Gemma back, 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.440 and then we do start to understand that Devin and Gemma, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.960 Mark's not the only one grieving. Let's put it that. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.719 Way right correct. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.320 On the test floor, the nurse measures Gemma's vitals, make sure. 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:39.240 She asks her, have you eaten? Have you done your calisthenics? 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:45.520 Have you done your reading? The calisthenics interestingly mirror the 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.400 kind of figures that we see on the cards, the 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.440 lumen cards that we saw in season one, we will 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:56.359 see in this episode. The nurse then asks, hey, what 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.839 do you if you were to be trapped in a landslide, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:00.960 what would you be more afraid of? Suffocator and drowning? 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.240 She says drying drowning and she's holding like this little 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.480 woe lie detector or something, and the nurse reads the 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.240 read out and then they go off to visit the rooms. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:12.840 Gem is like, how many rooms do I have? To say? 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:13.160 Six? 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.000 Jemma kind of like it is like a god size size. 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.480 At this she goes to her closet, puts on an 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.920 outfit that has been laid out for her that seems 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.760 to I have not gone deep on this, but the 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.440 outfits that she will wear seem to mirror a lot 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:31.920 of the outfits that we see the Egans, the the 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.760 mannequins of the Egans from the museum wearing. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:40.440 Yeah. I also something I think that's really interesting about 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.360 this is like the bernout character. I was like, she 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:48.000 almost seems like she cares about Gemma as well, even 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.320 though she's not allowed to the idea of like checking 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.560 that she's eaten and exercised in all of that. Yeah, 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:56.560 it does seem like they want the best test results, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.520 but I think it feels almost as an acknowledgment of 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.040 like she knows what Gemma is about to go through, 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.600 and she's kind of checking in like are you best? 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.000 Can you do this? You know? 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.640 Not that if for Gobi used to work on the 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:11.600 test floor. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.880 That would make a lot of sense. I mean, as 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.840 we'll see this, this becomes a very bleak episode that 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.400 tells you a little more about the way lumin does 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.680 not respect humans or brains or anything anything. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:29.000 Yes, the nurse takes Gemma past a series of rooms. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.480 There's various hallways with lots and lots and lots of rooms, 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.640 and the rooms are labeled with project names of projects 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.840 that we know the MDR crew has worked on in 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:44.599 season one in some of season two including Allentown, Cairns, Drainesville, 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.080 and on and on and on. Uh they go to 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.920 a room labeled Wellington. The nurse unlocks the door using 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.880 like a pomp pad that takes the nurse's blood, which 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.800 is interesting and real returning to this yet a lot 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:02.160 of blood. The inside the room, we see doctor Mauer, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:06.400 who will come to be Gema's torture, and this made 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.760 me wonder if this is taking place two episodes ago 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.640 when we saw who we now know is doctor Mauer 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.959 picking up dental tools from a storeroom somewhere and then 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.160 going down the elevator and whistling that kind of sea 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.680 shanty tune that he was whistling when in this episode, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:27.319 Jemma goes into the room, so the scenario is a 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:33.120 visit to the dentist. Maur asks Gemma to open up Gemma. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.720 It's clear this version of Gemma in the room is 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.959 severed so that this personality only knows this room. I'm 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:42.960 always here crying. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.839 Is that because you go, oh, you know, I was 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.000 here six you know. I was just here, you know, 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.120 a minute ago, and he's like, no, it's been six weeks. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.679 Like they're not even honest, you know too, huh. I 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.800 think probably of all the things we've seen in severance 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.880 being an Innie who is just. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:04.839 Office is the word. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.040 That's how that's like a soul level evil. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.760 I want to lightly push back on one thing you said, 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.680 I think they are weird. I was why. I was 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:17.760 like weirded out by the fact that Mauer is honest 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.760 weather he tells her it's been six weeks, so there 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:25.920 is for some reason they are leveling with the Innie 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.520 and letting them know that even though you have not 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.960 clocked that time has passed, because you only exist in 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.840 this room, time has passed. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.760 Like the same thing in the Christmas thing. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.319 In the Christmas scenario, he says, yeah, Christmas comes back 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:39.120 once a year. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.000 Even though you think it's always Christmas. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:46.439 It's almost as if they are trying to get these 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.839 innies used to the idea that you're going to be 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:50.760 missing time and you're going to only exist in here, 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.480 but there's things going on that you don't know about 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:53.559 and just accept it. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:55.440 I found that very weird. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.720 I do too, and then something I think is really 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:03.720 interesting too is the it's clear that Dr Mauer is 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:08.319 has feelings for Gemma like that starts to come across. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.079 And maybe that's also why he's trying to add that 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.560 level of you know, inverted commas honesty with the different innings. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.360 But obviously Gemma has no connection to him or them, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.520 just these kind of night And it's crazy to me 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.880 as well, because I think, correct me if I'm wrong. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.760 Is this the first time that we've seen someone who 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.240 has multiple innies like five or six gema? 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.040 This is her first time that we know that we're 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.360 seeing it for Yes. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.000 Yes, yes, that's true. It could be. 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:38.640 Yeah. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.400 I like that that's a good way of putting it. 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.760 Outside the room. Gemma comes out, she remembers nothing of 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:46.720 the past two hours. We go back to Marrow, but 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:48.720 she has she has sore jaw. I think if she 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.440 just that the physical pain. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.679 She's kind of like rubbing her draw when she comes 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:54.959 up and she rumors nothing. 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:59.560 Back at Mark's, Devin is like, Mark, come back, you know, 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.839 please wake up. She's freaking out. His eyes are moving. 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:07.200 We go into his memories. Now in the flashback, he 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.400 goes to Jemma's office and he brings her an ant 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.320 farm and he's like, because you said you like ants, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:14.840 and she's like, no, I like plants. 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:15.719 And this is. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.080 Clearly very early on in their relationship, and then we 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:23.079 get a montage, also clearly from Mark's perspective of their 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:28.360 life together. I noticed that in many of these flashbacks 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:32.320 they are working, but they break work. They interrupt each 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.600 other from work, and they're both happy to see each 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.800 other with that interruption. Mark has purchased a crib in 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:43.640 this flashback, and they're clearly planning a family. Gema's like 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.719 a crib who's gonna put together? And you're not much 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.439 of a handyman. Jema mentions and time passes. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:53.640 Just quickly. I want to say, I felt like the 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:57.960 amptparm gift is like a very clever kind of nod 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.760 to the you know, the infinite layer of lumen that 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.440 we don't Oh yeah, really no, you know there's something. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.920 There's definitely something there, and I love that she was like, well, 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.480 I don't like ants, but I love farms, so you 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.040 know you've got something right. But there's clearly there's so 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.600 much kind of illusion in this episode to Lumen, and 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.600 maybe the fact that these two were put together by Luhman. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.720 We don't know, but there's there's a lot of strange 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:22.520 things occurring. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:28.160 Yes, there's a dinner party at Mark and Jemma's house 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.000 with Devon and Ricken dn R are talking about a 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:32.560 recent trip to some mountains. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:33.720 Ricken really enjoyed it. 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:38.120 He's like putting himself forth as this like born and 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.920 bred outdoor adventurer, whereas Devon is like, you're crazy. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.840 That was insane, like it was very dangerous. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:52.080 And here notice we and in this conversation, I think 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.439 is one of the most obvious switchovers in perspective. As 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:00.439 Devon and Ricken and Mark are discussing the vacation, we 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:06.199 go to a little interaction between Gemma and Devon. We 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:11.280 hear Ricken saying, hey, Mark, like, I'd love to you 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.839 should come to the mountains. I'd love to spend more 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:15.920 time with you and get to know you more in 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.200 nature's splendor. And we see from Jemma's perspective her declining 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.520 wine that Devin is trying to pour from her. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.720 And this is one. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:29.480 Of the best examples of good writing in which a 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.480 character tells another character that they're pregnant without telling them 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.080 they are pregnant exactly. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.600 And the emotional range that the two of them get 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.560 in this interaction is huge. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.000 We angle on Jemma's eyes and the light goes from 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.800 cold to warm, and we realize now that time has passed, 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.000 she's in the shower and she's just miscarried. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.200 Mark finds her in the shower. 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.880 The rain goes backwards, and I think there's another hand 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.720 over here to Mark's perspective because the rain goes backwards 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:05.080 and see market MDR from sometime last season when uh uh, 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.960 Miss Casey was working with them on the MDR floor. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.760 And then we follow wires in the MDR floor up 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.320 somewhere through the Lumen building to a team of observers 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.600 who are observing the MDR team one person per MDR 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:26.640 team member Mark Kelly Dyllon and irving. Mister Drummond is 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:31.880 there observing the observers and doctor Mauer is with him. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:38.280 Mister Drummond says the severance barriers are holding Mauer is like, yes, 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.760 the technology is working, it seems. Mauer admits he has 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.080 a fondness for Gemma, but Drummond tells him, like, at 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:45.120 the end of this year, you gonna have to give 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:50.600 her up. We learned that Gemma had previously attacked. Mauer says, 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.200 you know, I'm fond of her, and she's fond of 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:54.160 me too, I think. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.160 And then Drummond says. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:01.040 Didn't she almost break your finger once? This, I think 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.360 is and I think we probably agree on this, right, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.920 that this seems like a reference to a previous escape attempt. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.360 Yes, right, definitely. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.320 We go back to Lumen time unknown Gemma on the 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:19.320 test floor. She's dressed in a romper. Now we cut 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.560 to the outside world. It's a flashback Mark and Jemma 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.520 at a doctor's office. They're seeing a fertility specialist, and 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.000 we see that maur is there. He's one of the doctors. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:34.520 As Gemma is filling I stop here. Yes, as many 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:39.160 are now noting, and as I dimly remembered, there's a 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.040 line in season one in which Devin says to Mark, hey, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.480 are you still seeing that therapist with the creepy mustache. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.280 That's got to be mass. 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.560 Got to be him, absolutely, and not just that in 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.680 the first room. I mean in the first scene of 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.640 this where we see Gemma and Mark meet, the testing 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.840 equipment has like lumin logos on it, So I think 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:04.800 ye for whatever reason, these two have been in Luman's 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.400 kind of suckle for a while. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.679 They picked them up, probably at the blood drive, and 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.520 then started to really drill down, and clearly they are 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.400 involved in events in ways that we don't know, much 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:21.240 more significantly than we know, and I think that the 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.720 reason it's notable. Then, in a lot of these test 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.040 room scenarios, there are different things that seem to mirror 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.679 events from Gemma and Mark's life that sometimes Gemma on 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.280 the test floor would not have known about, like a 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.920 comment by Mark or a particular thought that he had. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:44.280 For instance, we'll see an escape attempt like doctor Mauer disparishes, 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.639 the death of even Iliach, the book that Gemma was 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.600 grading when she met Mark. 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:50.680 There's all these. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.800 Little things, and I think it's from some of it, 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.679 at least from these therapy sessions or other ways that 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:01.840 Luhmann has been collecting information about Mark, and anyway, in 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.720 Gemma's test floor space splace space, we're in her recollections 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:10.000 now she's remembering the past. We see fast images of 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:11.440 someone molding. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:15.000 Clay m HM into like a tree, yeah. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.000 And various winter scenes, and then we end up on 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.640 Mark putting clothes away in a hallway. This is from 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.960 Jemma's perspective, I think, because she then asks Mark, hey, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.560 help me, it's time to inject the drugs. She's nervous 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.919 about it. He's like, don't worry. Like he's very charming 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.760 about it. It's like, we're gonna get that little girl. 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:33.760 She's out there waiting for us. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.080 And then he and jem who we've you know, maybe 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:38.639 we've already met her in Lumen. 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:39.399 Yeah. 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.879 Back on the test floor, maur is examining Gemma I 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.280 think in her apartment or in a room adjacent to 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.960 her apartment. Various scans are being taken in real time, 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.840 and the observers and the observation floor are looking at 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.120 the scans. We see that Jemma is indeed chipped. There's 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.439 a chip in her head, although it seems to me 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.320 like the chip looks different than the way that we 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.719 see in Mark's bigger or something right. Maur is asking 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.080 Jema how many rooms have you visited and what if 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.919 anything she remembers from those rooms. She doesn't remember anything, 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.600 just kind of like lingering physical pain from different places. 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.600 He asks if when she exited the rooms, did you 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.240 feel any of the four tempers, you know, woe and 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.919 despair whatever. The only room she has not been to, 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.040 she says, is cold. There's only one room I haven't 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:26.240 been to. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:27.080 It's cold Harbor. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:32.040 And he is interested in the way that that she 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.600 recalls this and knows this, and when she goes there, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.600 she asked, what will happen when I go there? He says, 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.600 you will see the world again. In the world will 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.399 see you. And she's like, oh, that means I get 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.480 to see Mark again. And Mauer is like, super evasive. 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.199 Then about the thing. Yeah, Jemma gets mad. She's like, well, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.280 you just fucking speak like a normal person, like the 0:19:53.320 --> 0:20:13.320 fat We do a fade cut to a flashback to 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:19.200 the outside world, Gemma in the bathroom feeling sad and 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.600 Marks so clearly her recollections right, and Mark calling her 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:23.960 from the kitchen telling. 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:25.600 Her that the coffee is ready. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:30.840 I think that this fade cut is important because now 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.520 we're entering the era of the flashbacks, in which a 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:38.920 distance is growing between Mark and Gemma related to their 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.639 inability to get pregnant and the struggles around that something 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.639 I think a lot of people can empathize with. We 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.960 cut to daytime at Mark's in the present. Regabi is like, Okay, 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:51.960 Mark's fine. Now, he just needs to sleep and he's 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:52.760 going to be okay. 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.400 He's just journeying. We see him dreaming. 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.439 Regabi insists that whatever this procedure is working and we 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.480 just need to give time. Devin is like, hey, you 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.159 know the any cottage where the people who've just been 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.760 severed become their inniase, and and Gaby's like, yeah, Demona 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.359 Birthing retreat, what about it? And she's like, well, there's 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.439 this lady we know who worked there, Harmony Cabell, Like 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.760 why don't we contact her and get her help with this? 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.720 And Regaby's like are you fucking Like. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.639 Yeah, She's like she and she says something very interesting, 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.680 Why would you do that? She says she was raised 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.800 by them, she's she says something else first, soldier. 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.479 Yeah, she says something else first, which is like, these 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:39.399 are two different things, like that's severing, this is integration, 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.400 Like this is yeah. 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:42.400 And then you're right. 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.280 She's like no, Cobell is tried and true, like she 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.400 was she's raised in this. She's a she says, she's 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:54.120 a soldier. And Devin, who I'm kind of mad at 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:58.600 in this episode, though she's doing understandable stuff, is like 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.239 while I'm calling her anyway, and Goby's like, okay, then 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:05.399