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Speaker 1: we haven't had Nick right on in a while. You

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Speaker 1: Diggs got sixty nine million, twenty six million guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: My take on this is they made two big overpays

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Speaker 2: So I get this overpay. Okay, So I understand the logic. Revithing.

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Speaker 2: I would draft Shadeur Sanders for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: The good thing about this is what this is the

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Speaker 1: First of all, you win negotiations. The team controls the player,

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Speaker 2: So a couple things ay on the Under that scenario,

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Speaker 2: I would probably tell you, Colin Coward, pay the fucking

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Speaker 2: kid and just do it out of your pocket. There's

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Speaker 2: no salary cap. But if it was like, hey, there's

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Speaker 2: a there's a podcast salary cap, and if we pay you,

433
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Speaker 2: we're gonna have to get rid of someone else or

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Speaker 2: not keep them that different story. That's first thing. Second

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Speaker 2: things this I would not. It's not that I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: offer Brock anything right right right. I would say, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: if you are really worried about security and you haven't

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Speaker 2: made real money, I will right now sign you to

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Speaker 2: the deal Daniel Jones signed. We'll sign it. I'll offer

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Speaker 2: you that, totally agree that deal right now. And even

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Speaker 2: if you don't play great, you know what, call it

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Speaker 2: back pay because you play. You earned that already with

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl appearance. But if you want something close

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Speaker 2: to the deal Dak Prescott sign, I'm drafting a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And and by the way, I'm gonna let you well,

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Speaker 2: what I was going to say is, let's let you

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Speaker 2: play this year and go show it to me, prove

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Speaker 2: it to me, because I'm not paying you off this

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Speaker 2: bad year. I'm just not like, so I wouldn't. It's

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Speaker 2: not that I would play a hardball to would degree

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Speaker 2: of like you're under contract, you have no contract offer

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Speaker 2: from me. I wouldn't do that, but I would not

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Speaker 2: pay in all business, but sports in particular. The way

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Speaker 2: it almost always works is this. It is the earlier

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Speaker 2: you get paid, the less money you receive because you

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Speaker 2: are trading high high end financial upside for the safety

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Speaker 2: of shit. There's injuries and bad things happen. Whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: The way to make the most money is to let

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Speaker 2: contracts expire, you know what I mean, and then see

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Speaker 2: what the market has to offer. But that's also the

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Speaker 2: way to sometimes make no money because shit goes bad.

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Speaker 2: So I am if I am a team and I

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Speaker 2: am paying you early, what I am getting back is

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Speaker 2: a deal, a bargain, and what you are getting into

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Speaker 2: the security. The only guys who get paid they get

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Speaker 2: to double dip where it's like, I want to be

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Speaker 2: paid early and make the most money. Are the elite

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Speaker 2: of the elite. Yeah, and party's not that so like

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Speaker 2: justin Jefferson gets to three years into his deal, be like,

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Speaker 2: I want to be paid the first day possible and

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Speaker 2: the most money at the position ever and Mahomes and

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Speaker 2: Mahomes didn't take the most money ever, but he took

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Speaker 2: such a huge, long deal as early as possible. Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen Tua, on the other hand, the team was like,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna wait another year. And then he went out

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Speaker 2: and had his best year and they paid him. And

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Speaker 2: I think that was a mistake. But they didn't pay

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Speaker 2: him as early as they could have. They made him

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Speaker 2: wait that fourth year, and so I just don't know

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Speaker 2: why what the argument against telling party play out your

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Speaker 2: fourth year. Let's see how it goes. And worst case

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Speaker 2: scenario for you kid, we either hit you with a

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Speaker 2: one year, forty five million dollar franchise tag or he

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Speaker 2: hit the open market. The only way you are not

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Speaker 2: going to be crazy rich is if you know you

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Speaker 2: have a handous year this year. You don't think you

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Speaker 2: will so or take some security. But this notion that

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Speaker 2: he's going to get the Joe Burrow deal, I just

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Speaker 2: think would be franchise mismanagement.

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Speaker 2: So it was funny today.

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Speaker 1: About once a month I get Jmack worked out, because

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Speaker 1: when you work with somebody for three hours, you're bound

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Speaker 1: to sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Get people worked out. And it's usually on stuff that's just.

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Speaker 1: Generational, like I'm older and I you know, and I

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Speaker 1: see the world one way and he's a former blogger

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Speaker 1: that sees at another. So he got worked up today

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Speaker 1: about what I didn't see this. Yeah, so this is

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Speaker 1: the one that I was going to ask you on

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Speaker 1: the show, and I thought, now, I'm gonna save this

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Speaker 1: for the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I.

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Speaker 1: Said, you know, some things you got to keep to yourself.

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Speaker 1: You just don't say out loud, or if you do

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Speaker 1: say him out loud, honey, how do I look in

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Speaker 1: this dress? The answer can only be one thing. So

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Speaker 1: Pooka nakup is twenty three had some injuries and he said, yesterday,

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Speaker 1: you know I'm going to retire at thirty. And I said,

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Speaker 1: don't say that, because I have more contacts in the

517
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Speaker 1: NFL than any league by far. They do not care

518
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Speaker 1: about your work life balance, and by next year the

519
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Speaker 1: Rams will be drafting a number one receiver. They don't care,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to hear it. It also introduces questions

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Speaker 1: that you don't need. Let's say he has a bad year, Oh,

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Speaker 1: well you're not really committed. Well, he's going to retire anyway.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's already talking retirement. It's like Brett Favre

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three set it out loud, I'm ninety

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Speaker 1: percent retired. He's never player. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, by

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Speaker 1: the way, if he set it out out in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, in twenty twenty one, he was thinking it

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Speaker 1: or telling people privately.

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Speaker 2: So my and Jmack didn't like this, And I said,

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Speaker 2: j Mack, what was his take that there was no

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Speaker 2: harm in it? Why not?

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Speaker 1: Just He's like, well, what what I mean? By the way,

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Speaker 1: are you are you begrudging a guy for putting his

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Speaker 1: money away? And I said, do you think Fox tells

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Speaker 1: me everything in negotiations and I tell them everything. Well,

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Speaker 1: that meaning is I don't think.

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Speaker 2: You would begrudge anyone for retiring at thirty. I think

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Speaker 2: you're saying just don't let them know exactly your plan. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you one. I'll give you one.

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence said, I'm not defined by a football and

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Speaker 1: that comment defined him is.

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Speaker 2: What it has certainly followed him.

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Speaker 1: It's you're not going to be Tom, You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be Peyton, You're not gonna be Mahomes. We need it

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Speaker 1: to kind of define you and be obsessed.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's it's maybe it's said statement of the media.

547
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Speaker 2: Maybe it shouldn't be this way, but sometimes those throwaway

548
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Speaker 2: comments I Cam Newton. Peter King said that he was like,

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Speaker 2: I want to be what what? An entertainer and an

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Speaker 2: icon and it's still like I still remember it. It's

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Speaker 2: still kind of hung around him, even as great as

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Speaker 2: he was at his peak. You mentioned that the Andrew

553
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Speaker 2: Luck thing, it certainly is not gone away. I think

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Speaker 2: that he's young enough Hookah is thirty, is far enough

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Speaker 2: away that I don't think it is a huge deal.

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Speaker 2: But do I agree with you that there is very

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Speaker 2: little benefit to him for saying that. I don't see

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Speaker 2: the benefit. I don't see what he gains from saying that. No,

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Speaker 2: that's certainly I don't I does it change how I

560
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Speaker 2: don't know how much it impacts what the RAMS think

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Speaker 2: of him, because he's that still is the window of

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Speaker 2: his full second contract. But yeah, I in general, I

563
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Speaker 2: do think that we are in an oversharing era, and

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Speaker 2: I'm certain listen, I'm part of that too. I I uh,

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Speaker 2: took a screenshot of a text message my wife sent

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Speaker 2: me making fun of me, and tweeted it. That didn't

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Speaker 2: go over great. I did that yesterday and now I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about it. It didn't go over great. That probably also

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Speaker 2: won't go over great. So like, sometimes I can be

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Speaker 2: an oversharer, but I am in the sharing business like

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Speaker 2: my my I guess defense is I talked for a living.

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Speaker 2: I create content for a living. Sometimes you're gonna get

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Speaker 2: out over your skis a bit. But that's really interesting

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Speaker 2: that the that you think it's a big deal for

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Speaker 2: the Rams. I think it's a I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: I ideal, but I don't know, I think it's a

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Speaker 2: huge deal.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think your point is also true is that

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Speaker 1: if you're trading for him in four years or three years,

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Speaker 1: it's like, guys.

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Speaker 2: That's a different story, you know what I mean? And

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Speaker 2: I also do agree. I've heard from enough NFL players

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Speaker 2: that once you start thinking about retirement it is Some

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Speaker 2: would say, well, then, Nick, are you concerned about Kelsey

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Speaker 2: this season? I would argue that for guys who are

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Speaker 2: at an age where you expect them to retire, I

587
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Speaker 2: think you get because his brother did it too. In

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Speaker 2: this regard, it was like, oh, is Jason going to

589
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Speaker 2: come back? Jason came back for one more year and

590
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Speaker 2: then was done. And so I think when you're talking

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Speaker 2: about Aaron, I think the trouble for Aaron is Aaron

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Speaker 2: is you said twenty three, but yees so in the

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Speaker 2: summer of twenty three, or he says I'm ninety soon retired,

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Speaker 2: then he pops his achilles, then he plays the season,

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Speaker 2: and now we're going for a third year post potential retirement.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I think one of the you

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Speaker 2: you accidentally said Farv, and I thought you said the

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Speaker 2: right name but the wrong year, because Farv did the

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Speaker 2: same fucking thing. Farv was like, am I coming back?

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Speaker 2: And I not? And did that three years in Green

601
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Speaker 2: Bay and then played three more years. Yeah, he played

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Speaker 2: one with the Jets and two with the Vikings. I mean,

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00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: think about this, think about early comments. Have any worked

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Speaker 2: in your favor. Trevor Lawrence big Ben talked about retirement early,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, I mean, just Cam Newton.

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Speaker 1: Think about the retirement talk or the not all in

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Speaker 1: talk that has ever benefited an athlete, Like it's ever

608
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Speaker 1: watched the show Survivor Who Unravels First. I miss my family,

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Speaker 1: I miss my bed, I miss my friend. I mean

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00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: they always unrouted. It's like, Okay, we know it's not

611
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: easy pro football. Stay focused off season, go to turks

612
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Speaker 1: and kkos.

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Speaker 2: In season. Oh, you're going to be in pain and

614
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: you have to play through it. Hold on, can I

615
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: tell you a totally unrelated thing, Not totally unrelated, it's related,

616
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Speaker 2: but it's different. So I had no This is so funny.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to tell you this because I had

618
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Speaker 2: no recollection that this happened. But in the lead up

619
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Speaker 2: to the twenty seventeen draft. Okay, so this is four

620
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Speaker 2: months before First Things First launches. I'm still out in

621
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Speaker 2: La Chris Carter and I filled in for you one

622
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: day and one of the guests we had was potential

623
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: first round pick Patrick Mahomes. Again, I had no memory

624
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: that this took place. It was sent to me a

625
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: week ago by someone close to Patrick and was like, yo,

626
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Speaker 2: he kind of nailed this. And I asked, Patrick, if

627
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: everything goes perfectly, where are you in ten years. He

628
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: has not been drafted yet, he's not a chief, you

629
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Speaker 2: know what I mean. And he's like, okay, He's like,

630
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Speaker 2: if everything goes perfectly, He's like, I'm married, i have

631
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Speaker 2: a couple of kids, i have a couple of super

632
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Speaker 2: Bowl championships, and I'm one of the best quarterbacks in

633
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Speaker 2: the league. He said that, yeah, and by the way,

634
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 2: he undershot the amount of kids and Super bowls by

635
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Speaker 2: one each, and like he set the sites as high

636
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Speaker 2: as they possibly could. But he had a plan and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know at the time. He was dating his

638
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: high school sweetheart, so he also knew who he wanted

639
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Speaker 2: to marry. He's like, I want to marry this girl.

640
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Speaker 2: I want to have a family with her, and while

641
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Speaker 2: I'm doing it, I want to win these championships. And

642
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: so he was not, you know, famous enough of a

643
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: prospect to where that you know, got an ayttraction whatever.

644
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: But I sent it. I sent it to him after

645
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: it was sent to me, like, hey, man, sold yourself short.

646
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: But this is pretty fucking unbelievable. You you said your

647
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: goal perfect world. Ten years in he saw it. He

648
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: was like married, family, guy, championships and eight years in

649
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: he's fifty percent higher in all categories than his perfect world.

650
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: But he's vision was exactly on. And I do think that.

651
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: I think sometimes it can be crippling for guys, but

652
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: I'll take you know, sorry to turn this into Mahomes

653
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: and the Lebron, but I think the guys who walk

654
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: into the league and you know what was Lebron's goal,

655
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: anything short of being the greatest player ever he was

656
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: going to feel he came up short, and you know

657
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 2: what I mean, and everything he did was on that route.

658
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't think Patrick thought initially, oh, I'm going to

659
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: be in the goat conversation, But after two years of playing,

660
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: when he has one League MVP and one Super Bowl,

661
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: he immediately said, basically, man, Tom's got seven like I

662
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: have it. I now know where I'm going.

663
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: I think about think about this. You can talk yourself

664
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: into being sick. We know that, we know psychologically people

665
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: can talk themselves into being sick.

666
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: And it seems like they can talk themselves out of it.

667
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a thing I don't. Again, I

668
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: don't know the science on this. I apologize, but I

669
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: have had multiple times in my life where something is

670
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: going on, either work wise or whatever where I like,

671
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: literally can't get sick right now like I had, but

672
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: the moment that ends, where it's like okay, whether it's

673
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: the NFL playoffs or you know, when I was planning

674
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: for me and my wife's wedding slash valor noule whatever,

675
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: once that ends, I immediately get really sick and it's like, oh,

676
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: I was sick two weeks ago, but my body held

677
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: it off almost like like not now, but then allowed

678
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: for it. Yeah.

679
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: How about when people are on their deathbed and you know,

680
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: you see these couples married for sixty two years, one

681
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: dies and one follows.

682
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 2: Suit three days later.

683
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: Like there is a spiritual component to this where you

684
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: can talk here, you can manifest stuff you. I mean,

685
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: there's a reason there's that saying is that you can

686
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: talk yourself in and out of stuff very quickly. And

687
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's like even body language.

688
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: How do you sell yourself if I remember, I remember,

689
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: I'll give you a story, I personalize it for a second.

690
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: So when I went to interview for the job at ESPN.

691
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: I interviewed in Houston at the Super Bowl with John Walsh,

692
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: who's one of the gurus of Bengalies, older gentleman, and

693
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: he was and I was. I kind of knew he

694
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: was a New Yorker, very well read, very earn a guy.

695
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: So I bought a New Yorker magazine flying from Portland

696
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: and I read it front to back. And so when

697
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: we sat down, I pulled out my bag and he

698
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: saw the New Yorker. He goes, oh, you read the

699
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: New Yorker. I said, oh, absolutely, big subscriber, and I

700
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: had a couple of articles. It was a good I

701
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: still subscribe to it, by the way, but it was

702
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: there was a couple.

703
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: Of good articles in there. But I knew.

704
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: That he I had heard that ESPN would interview you

705
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: and they would test your sports knowledge. So I memorized

706
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: the Chicago White Sox bullpen and so I had the

707
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: White Sox well because they weren't they weren't great, okay,

708
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: And so I said during the interview, I said, listen, John,

709
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: you guys don't do radio particularly well. And I said, listen,

710
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I can tell you who the

711
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: White Sox bullpen is boom boom boom, boom boom. You'll

712
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: never hear me say it on the air, and it

713
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: totally it kind of.

714
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: De armed him.

715
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: He was like, Jesus, I don't even know the White

716
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: Sox bull pay. He was a baseball guy. And so

717
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I mean I can tell you the

718
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: White Sox bullpens boom boom boom left you right, he

719
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: left you right, he left you righty. I would never

720
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: say that on the air. It's terrible radio. And I

721
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: described it. And so I basically talked myself in to

722
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: winning this interview, and I almost planned it. And the

723
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: point was, after I said that I knew I had

724
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: the job, I was so confident. It was like I

725
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: was literally like, oh, this is or eight minutes in,

726
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: I've already won the job. So the point being is

727
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: I psychologically I knew if I could do the New

728
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: Yorker and the White Sox Bullpen, I would get the job.

729
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: Where I wouldn't get it if he didn't think I

730
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: was well read or I didn't really know, you know,

731
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: front and back page of the sports section.

732
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: So my point is, you can a lot in your life.

733
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 2: Yes you can kind yes, and so can I tell

734
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: my version of that story? Sure? This is stuff like

735
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: because I've never heard I've heard, you know, sometimes you

736
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: and I talk and we kind of I don't want

737
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: to say, get into reruns, but we tell each other

738
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: things that we know about each other. I've never heard that,

739
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: but I have eight. Okay, So I am doing a

740
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: radio in Kansas City and find out there is the

741
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: morning show open in Houston. And at the time, I

742
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: have one career goal, and it is to one day

743
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: replace you. It's the only it is, truly, it was

744
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: truly my goal was one day I'm going to host

745
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: noon to three Eastern on ESPN Radio. That was it

746
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: was these slot. It was the slot I'd listened to

747
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: you in forever. And I knew I couldn't. I didn't

748
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: even really want to go to Houston, but I knew

749
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't get there from Kansas City, like you know

750
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: what I mean. I needed to go to a bigger market.

751
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: You got there from Portland. But that's that's tricky. And

752
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: so but I know two things. I know One, the

753
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: guy is going to be worried that I'm a little young.

754
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: The PD you know what I mean, because I was

755
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: this is twenty twelve, so I'm twenty seven. And the

756
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: guy whose job I would be replacing, the guy who

757
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: was doing it is Mark Vandermere, who did this day

758
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: is the Voice of the Texans, so you know, in

759
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: his forties at the time, grown man. He's leaving just

760
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: because the Voice of the Houston Texans is now they're

761
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: starting their own radio network and it's a full time gig.

762
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, he's going to be worried. I'm

763
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: too young, and he's going to be worried, like any

764
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: local radio guy is. It's a call in show that

765
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to get jumped with. Well you remember the

766
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: love You Blue oilers, and I'm going to be like,

767
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: who are they? And They're going to be like, oh,

768
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: this fraud is not from here, doesn't know stuff. And

769
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: so I was like, Okay. On the initial phone call,

770
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: I mentioned out of nowhere seemingly, but it was strategic.

771
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, and I also want

772
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: to tell you something about me. I was like, it's

773
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: a little weird because you know, I'm only twenty seven.

774
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 2: I was like, but I have a thirteen year old son,

775
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: and you know, a first grade daughter, and you know,

776
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: I've been married for some years, and so you know,

777
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: my family would be coming with me to Houston. And

778
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: he was like, you have an older son and daughter,

779
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, you know, you know it told

780
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: him story of my family. But I knew that immediately

781
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: would trump the is this some young kid that's gonna

782
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: get whatever. So that was taken care of, and so

783
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: then calls me the next day he's like, I want

784
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: to fly you in to meet our market manager and

785
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: to do a test and meet everyone. Like okay, cool,

786
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: that's going to be in three days. So I in

787
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: those three days made a Houston Sports by hand color coded,

788
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: twenty page encyclopedia that I have to this day as

789
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: a PDF, which was five pages on the Rockets, every

790
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: first round pick in their history, every playoff series in

791
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: their history, their current roster, salary cap, how the player

792
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: was acquired, handwritten, Green was money, red was injuries, blue

793
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: was age Rockets, Astros, Texans U of h because I

794
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: thought in University of Texas. All handwritten, then took it

795
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 2: to Kinko's, had it turned into basically a binder, and

796
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: I go to the interview the dinner and we're about

797
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: halfway through it and I'm like, hey, I want to

798
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: show you something and he's like okay, and I take

799
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: it out and I'm like, listen, you haven't said this,

800
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 2: but I know talk radio your concern is that I'm

801
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: not from here and that the callers, someone is gonna

802
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: call me and they're gonna say something every Hustonian knows about.

803
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna know about it, and I'm gonna be

804
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: you know, they're gonna be like, we can't listen to

805
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: this guy. He doesn't you know what I mean, know

806
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: what Mario Ellie's kiss of death is like, he's not

807
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: one of us. I was like, I guarantee you that

808
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: won't happen. And if I a because I'll know, I'll

809
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: know what I need to know and be if I don't,

810
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: I'll tap dance just long enough to find it in

811
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: this and show it in my thing. And he looked

812
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: at it and he was like, you made this. It's

813
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: like yeah, He's like, when like you found out you

814
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: were coming here three days ago. I was like, I

815
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: don't know. It's taken me about thirty hours in the

816
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: last three days, but I made it, and in that

817
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: moment I got the job. Yeah, And in that moment

818
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: I got the job, and I knew, like I can't.

819
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm not going to have another opportunity maybe in the

820
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: next year, two or three years to go from Kansas

821
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: City to a top five market drive time. If I

822
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: ever want to do what I really want to do professionally,

823
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: I have to get this job. So I have to

824
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: figure out the things the guy wants to hear and

825
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: get him there before I even get there. And so

826
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: when you're talking about the White Sox, bullpen and the

827
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: New Yorker, I'm like, that's just me talking about my

828
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: kids and making this encyclopedia. Like you you walked into

829
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: that interview with John Walsh. You you were doing local

830
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: radio in Portland. You were the best local radio guy

831
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: in the Northwest. But the jump from that to you

832
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm not saying you wouldn't have

833
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: gotten to where you are now, but if you don't

834
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: get that job, then it's maybe a five year detour.

835
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: Like that's the most important sixty minutes of your professional

836
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: life up to that, no question.

837
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't and I was going to control it, yes, exactly.

838
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: Don't leave that shit to chance.

839
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: So that goes back, Yes, that go yeah, and then

840
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: we go back to speak things into existence. So you

841
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: before you made that chart, you said to yourself, Okay,

842
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: here's what I'm going to do. You've normly spoken into existence.

843
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: You created it, and then you delivered on it. So

844
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: I think the bigger you know, as we kind of

845
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: come full circle on this, is you you have much

846
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: more control of your destination and of your destiny that

847
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: anybody wants to admit.

848
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: Fate.

849
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: I always said this luck is a word used by

850
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: average people to validate their mediocrity. Well, my sister's lucky,

851
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I bet if you inspected your sister,

852
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: she's got her shit together. Like you know, it's like

853
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: people use luck or fate. It's everybody in life controls

854
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: their destiny. Like it's one thing if you have a

855
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: bad upbringing in at twenty eight, you're still trying to

856
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: kind of get above sea level. But by forty four

857
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: years old, if you think that makes so, that's sold

858
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: another discussion. But I so I think that there's I

859
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: think that there are ten percent on each end. I

860
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: think there's ten percent might be strong, but they're only

861
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: ten percent of the population that no matter how badly

862
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: they tried to fuck up their situation.

863
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: They just couldn't. They just that everything comes up them

864
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: or they are have such a giant safety net of

865
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: everything that they're going to be fine. And I do

866
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: think there's ten percent or whatever that it just things have.

867
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: No matter how hard they work or all the right

868
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: decisions they make, things go against them. I do. I do. Again,

869
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: I'm making up the numbers. My point is that I

870
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: think there are extremes on both ends. I think most

871
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: everyone else, it's a lot of what you make it

872
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 2: out to be. And I the thing you said there

873
00:51:54,320 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: that I think is a really valuable sentiment that barring

874
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 2: true and again I was very blessed you and I

875
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: are both children of divorce. But yeah, I had no

876
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: real childhood trauma like so I don't again same remove.

877
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about people who dealt with real, real

878
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 2: childhood drama. If you had what I would call a

879
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: typical childhood, by the time, certainly by the time you're

880
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: old enough to rent a car without having to pay

881
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: an extra fee, you got, that can't be what's holding

882
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: you back. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like what

883
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: the it's at some point like when you are that

884
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: I am not very and I'm I try to be

885
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: a very empathetic person, but I think sometimes we people

886
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: hold themselves back by acting as if well, it's a

887
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 2: you know, things just aren't going to go the way

888
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: they should for me because because of you know, my parents,

889
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: and again barring the extremes, it's like, hey, like you said,

890
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: you're in your mid thirties, like that that is part

891
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: of your story, but no longer is your story, you

892
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: know what? And so that is the I do agree

893
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 2: with that, and I think I think that people that

894
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: are cool with hey, shit wasn't perfect, but I made

895
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: the most of it are typically some of the happiest

896
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: or most well adjusted, as opposed to people who are

897
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: very stuck in.

898
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: This shit that wasn't perfect before. Yeah, no, I tell uh,

899
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: I've told my kids this before. Life's about reaction, not action, Like,

900
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: like everybody makes mistakes with action, how do you react

901
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: to your fuck ups? That's going to go a long

902
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: way because you're all gonna step in it. Some people

903
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: go hide, some people are it literally haunts them, and

904
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: other people are like own it. Wow, got to start over,

905
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: Like how you react to others and your own mistakes?

906
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 2: That will pretty much define you.

907
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: So don't be don't don't be rigid, don't be precious,

908
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: don't get down on yourself. Stay optimistic, be a good coworker, lubricate,

909
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: don't agitate. Your life will be fine. You know, I

910
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: always told my daughter when she was young, I said,

911
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: there's only one mistake that statistically can kill you, getting into.

912
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: The wrong car.

913
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: So I always bought my kids cars early used. But

914
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: my take is, I trust your judgment. Trust you get

915
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: into a car with someone else, Yes, you get into

916
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: a car. Yeah, a girl gets into a car with

917
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: a guy showing off. That's how you end up in

918
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: the obituary section. That's so the again, and then we

919
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: can get back to whatever you had planned.

920
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: It's but you and I. That's another so similarity for us.

921
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: I we we live in New York, so you know,

922
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: the my kids didn't have cars as the my daughter

923
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: didn't have a car in high school or when she's

924
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: back from college. We live in New York City, but

925
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: some of her friends obviously do or they drive. And

926
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: I I'm I'm big on I probably spend a irrational

927
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: amount on ubers because I'm like, eh, I'd rather just

928
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: trust it. And so the the and the only the

929
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 2: only thing that is that I have added to that

930
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: is and I'm not I'm drinking wine during this interview.

931
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: I'm not a teetotaler at all. And maybe this is

932
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: part of my aide showing or whatever it is. When

933
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: I was growing up, pill based drugs were not a thing,

934
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was like kids smoked weed,

935
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: some of the like really like aggressive kids like might

936
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: have occasionally tripped on acid, and I'm like, y'all are crazy,

937
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: but like nobody like and then maybe the like wildest

938
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: kids like oh my god, I heard that guy did

939
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: cocaine at a party. Like that was like really out

940
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: of the in high school, that was really out of

941
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 2: the main stream. But twenty years later, ton of kids

942
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: just like the party drug stuff, the like ecstasy, molly

943
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: became very there's a very small barrier for injury where

944
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: kids don't look at that as scandalous as I would.

945
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: And that shit scared the hell out of me because

946
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, man, like those That's the other way

947
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: that you can basically anything short of, like you said,

948
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: get in a terrible car accident or taking a bad drug,

949
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: like we can recover from if you like we can

950
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: recover from a lot of stuff. You get suspended from school,

951
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: we can recover from it. You get you know, with

952
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: you you get in a fight and you get picked

953
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: up by the cops, they may can spend the night

954
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: in jail. We can recover from like normal adolescent bullshit.

955
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: We can as a family recover from almost anything. Terrible

956
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: car wreck or didn't know what was in that pill.

957
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: You can't always recover from. So those are really the

958
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: only things as a parent, I really like you keep

959
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: you up at night, like there you're wordy of it,

960
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: because everything else you feel like, Okay, you know what

961
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's an ex expensive lesson, or you

962
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like you take a learn from

963
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: it or whatever. And so yeah, I'm with you on

964
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: that one thousand percent. So I saw something the other day.

965
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: We'll end it on this topic because this will get

966
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: us to an hour or a little more. Bill Maher

967
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: said something the other day that your personality lead you

968
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: into your politics. And this is something I've thought about

969
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: for a long time, is that if you were bullied,

970
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: you were small, you're a smaller person you were bullied,

971
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: You're more likely to be empathetic to people who have

972
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: been bullied and people who have been.

973
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: Under siege or oppressed.

974
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: And if you're a six or four great looking quarterback

975
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: in high school and college, that's kind of arrogant. Noah's

976
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: got the pretty girl, You're not going to be as

977
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: empathetic over the course of your early life for the

978
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: guy that didn't have things go his way. So your

979
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: personality and your life experience rants kind of lead you

980
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: into your politics, not vice versa. And you know, I

981
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: was thinking this, and I don't obsess over stuff like this,

982
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: but one of the things that and I look at

983
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: it as suffering from I've never done this. So when

984
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: I was in Vegas, like when I was a kid,

985
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: we were all sports diehards. I collected baseball cards and

986
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: NBA cards. I would memorize sports backup baseball cards. We

987
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: all did that in our profession at eight twelve thirteen.

988
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: But I do remember, I do remember moments in my

989
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: life around seventeen eighteen nineteen, first getting to college, that

990
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: I would see guys on the college campus, and here's

991
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: who I viewed as cool, the guy with the best

992
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: looking girlfriend, not the sports nerd. And so in my

993
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: life I never thought that there was that much redeemable

994
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: value or cool factor in being like the most knowledgeable

995
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: sports guy, Like can you ask the cute girl for

996
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: a date? Can you socialize? Are you fund at a party?

997
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: Are you a good hang? And so I was thinking

998
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: about this the other day. Why have I never been

999
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: a fan of mid majors in college? Why have I

1000
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: always been a fan of the big brands? I mean

1001
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: since I started doing syndicated radio. And there's probably two

1002
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: or three reasons. One it's smarter business, But part of

1003
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: me thinks is because I just didn't want to watch

1004
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: mid major basketball. I wanted to have a social life.

1005
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to have a girlfriend, and I'd watch Duke

1006
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: in Carolina and Gonzaga and UCLA and Syracuse and Yukon.

1007
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: I'll let you nerds watch Murray State. And that my

1008
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: whole theory on college basketball has been based on.

1009
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to put in the work. The reason

1010
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: why bracket is so good this year because there's no sets. Yeah,

1011
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: exactly right, exactly right. First of all, So it's my

1012
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: apathy that let my great bracket. So I agree with

1013
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: I love everything you're saying. I'll tell you right now,

1014
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: you better make a handwritten note and sendin edible arrangement

1015
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: to your dear friend Ryan Rossillo after that, because my god,

1016
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: there is no one that's gonna feel more attacked for

1017
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 2: watching meaningless basketball than that guy. There's that was as

1018
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 2: entire his entire identity his face around. Did you see

1019
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: magic Calves? And the answer is no, I fucking didn't.

1020
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: Let's tell you right now. And again, I don't know Ryan,

1021
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: he's he's no, he's a friend of yours and friend

1022
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: a lot of my friends. I'm not taking a shot.

1023
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: I just but it's also that's also you know, but

1024
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: it is very very good. There there are people that

1025
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: are watching everything, yeah, because it allows for you to,

1026
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: you know, have a wife and kids and a social life.

1027
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: So I I think what you were saying in the

1028
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: beginning is really interesting, which is you wanted to follow

1029
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 2: what you had to follow and wanted to follow what

1030
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: you loved. Because here's the other thing what you left

1031
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: out you I'm certain of it. You watched a lot

1032
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: of you watched a lot of college football that you

1033
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: didn't have to for work because you loved it, right,

1034
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: and so but the there are for me, like so

1035
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: there's this I anything I've always been a big believer

1036
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: of If you told me this was the Chinese Checkers

1037
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: World Championship and those are the two best in the world,

1038
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: I'm captivated. If you like, I don't care what the

1039
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: competition is. If you tell me there are high stakes

1040
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: and it's the best in the world, I'm in. I

1041
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: don't even really need to know the rules of the sport.

1042
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: I'll pick it up. Like I'm into big events with

1043
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: real steaks, and I'm into the sports that I love.

1044
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: So I can watch almost anything but the So you

1045
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: and I have a similar I think affinity for current

1046
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: college basketball, which is I don't love it day to

1047
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: day during the regular season.

1048
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean, team shoot twenty six percent regularly. You can

1049
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: literally there's four teams in the tournament that can shoot.

1050
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: It's not a great product. It's great drama, Yes, it's

1051
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:01,479
Speaker 2: not a great product. And so I have never I've never.

1052
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: And so I was playing in a poker tournament over

1053
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: the weekend and somebody, oh yeah, somebody was trying to

1054
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: handicap I was in it. There were some professional sports

1055
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: betters there, and two professional sports betters were arguing about

1056
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: which side of the game was sharper one of the

1057
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: second round tournament games and they're like, oh, ask Nick,

1058
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: you know have NBA the tiebreaker And I just told him.

1059
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm the wrong fucking guy for this one,

1060
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: Like what do you mean to do this for a living?

1061
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 2: I was like, I've not talked about either of these

1062
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: teams once all year. And they're like, you don't have

1063
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 2: to watch everything. I'm like, oh no, I have to

1064
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: watch everything that I talk about. So I watch every

1065
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: NFL game that there is to watch, and I watch

1066
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: a ton of the NBA because I love it, And

1067
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: in the tournament, I watched the tournament. But if you're

1068
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: asking me, am I hanging out at home watching college

1069
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: basketball regular season? I don't pretend to I don't claim

1070
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: to the audience. I do the thing. The thing I

1071
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: have a problem with is folks who are not okay

1072
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 2: admitting that and pretend they did. Like nobody, nobody looks

1073
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: at me and they're like, oh, Nick is dialed into

1074
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: the NHL this year. No, I'm not, and I don't

1075
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: pretend to be. And so it is really funny that

1076
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: you that you think this.

1077
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: My take originated because I looked at guys who want

1078
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: in Vegas professional sports gamblers. I'm like, overweight, no girlfriends,

1079
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,479
Speaker 1: so kind of a mess, not cool, and.

1080
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. So this is what

1081
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: So this is a first cousin, and then I know

1082
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: we have to go. So I last week was on

1083
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 2: is day before I came on your show because I

1084
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: flew overnight. I was on a live uh partoker stream

1085
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 2: for a high six program in Vegas, and I walked

1086
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: into Wilde's office that next day. He was like, here's

1087
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: what's great for you about those poker streams. I'm like,

1088
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: what's that? And he's like against the world. He's like,

1089
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: you're not that cool, but at that table, you're the

1090
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: coolest fucking guy around. I've seen these I've seen you.

1091
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: He's like, he's like against he goes at that specific table,

1092
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: he's like, one guy looks like he didn't even look

1093
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: in the mirror. Another guy can't even talk to the table.

1094
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 2: He's like, you're just hanging out drinking your diamond chainster showing.

1095
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: He's like, you look really cool. He's like, but I

1096
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 2: see you every day. He's like, you're not really cool,

1097
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 2: but in that environment against those people, he's like, you're

1098
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: pretty cool. And I'm like, yeah, it's exactly right, like

1099
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: against the the typical professional people think the professional gambler

1100
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: life is glamorous and because for Phil Ivy, you know

1101
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, and Nick Shulman and Billy Walters, but

1102
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: for everybody else, it's just grinding out fifty six percent.

1103
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always said I knew I knew a guy

1104
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: Dave Cocaine passed away. He was a very sharp better

1105
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: and a big baseball better and in Vegas. I didn't

1106
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: know him well, but I knew Dave, and Dave he

1107
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: was really really good at what he did, and he

1108
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: was he was a total grinder, like I mean, he

1109
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: just But I always theorized if I was going to

1110
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: be a sports gambler, I would be a professional NFL

1111
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: gambler because you can bet the most and watch the least.

1112
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: And I never.

1113
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: Understood guys who say, I'm going to be a professional

1114
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: sports gammeler, I'm going to do baseball, and I'm like,

1115
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: so you're giving up one hundred and fifty days a

1116
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: year to your wife and good times. Like to me,

1117
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: I would in the NFL. They give you higher stakes.

1118
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you can bet high whatever.

1119
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, rights, yes, more, I think it's harder to I think.

1120
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: I think the reason for that is I think it's

1121
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: harder to beat I think any market.

1122
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: Also they have they have a bigger well of money.

1123
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,919
Speaker 1: So if they do get taken, eight million people bet

1124
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: it and you can get taken for one hundred thousand bucks.

1125
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: And like when I was in Vegas, they wouldn't allow you.

1126
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: They stopped letting you bet Ivy League football because the

1127
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: eight guys that did all one, so they just said

1128
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: no more betting it.

1129
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there's the it is. So I there is

1130
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: a whole world, and this is something that I think

1131
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 2: is a really fascinating world that people don't totally understand

1132
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: of how sharp in today's day and age, because gambling

1133
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: now is very different than previously because it's legal basically

1134
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 2: everywhere and you don't have to So the life of

1135
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: the sharp, the true sharp better today is so fascinating

1136
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: because so much of it is using their reputation as

1137
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: the sharp better with Vegas to move the line. So

1138
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 2: let me just give up try to explain to you

1139
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: on t what I'm talking about. So much of the

1140
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 2: life of the true professional gambler today is there is

1141
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: a basketball game that I love if I could get

1142
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: five points the underdog is I love the underdog at

1143
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 2: plus five, but they are currently at plus four and

1144
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: a half. So I, as a known sharp better, am

1145
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 2: going to as me walk in to a big Vegas

1146
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: sports book and bet one hundred thousand dollars if I

1147
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 2: can get it on the favorite at minus four and

1148
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 2: a half, because they will look at me as a

1149
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: sharp better that likes the four and a half and say, oh,

1150
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 2: line's too low, we have to move it to five.

1151
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: I the sharp better, only ever wanted it at five,

1152
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: and now I'm going to use all the people I

1153
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 2: have betting for me, who are square betters, to hammer

1154
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,520
Speaker 2: it at five. Like so much of the actual today's

1155
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: professional gambling is manipulated, line movement is like people moving

1156
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: the line for themselves. It's really for again, I'm not

1157
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 2: talking about the people. For the people who just bet

1158
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: the way you and I do. You know, as an

1159
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 2: entertainment thing or fun or whatever, it has no impact whatsoever.

1160
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: But for the folks who are are betting the highest

1161
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 2: of stakes and a half point means the world. They

1162
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: are moving lines betting other sides. It is a fascinating

1163
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 2: and to your point, it is a time consuming job.

1164
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 2: They you know what I mean, It's like, oh, it

1165
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 2: moved here in this place. It's a really fascinating thing

1166
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: that I don't think it has been. There hasn't been

1167
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 2: the right the exact right book or movie or whatever

1168
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: long magazine article written to where people understand what all

1169
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 2: goes into it. Now that gambling has changed the way

1170
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: it's changed, I'm not glowing to write a book, but

1171
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: I am the guy to watch it happen.

1172
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm fascinating. Chad Millman could write the book. And Lem

1173
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: Banker was a friend of mine Rest in Peace. He

1174
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: was a sports gambler in Las Vegas, and I became

1175
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: pretty close with him, and one day I went over

1176
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: to his house for about I mean literally like four hours.

1177
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 2: And watched he comit.

1178
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: He laid out he laid out his bets that day

1179
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: and the numbers and the places he was calling. He

1180
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: was a really charitable, really neat guy. But you know,

1181
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: he there's no question that he loved any information he

1182
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: could get. You know, he just listened. He goes, I'd

1183
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: been broke, and then I kind of figured.

1184
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 2: Out the game.

1185
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: And he had no problem going seven and six every weekend.

1186
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, bet, you know whatever, it is five thousand

1187
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: dollars a bet and going seven and six and he

1188
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 1: just played the numbers and that's five thousand and boom.

1189
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he just did not suffer losses badly. He

1190
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: just understood, I just need to be fifty seven percent.

1191
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: And he was the one that sort of showed me

1192
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: that it's a volume play. If you bet consistently the

1193
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: same amount of money and you can hit fifty seven

1194
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: percent fifty or going to unbelievable, you're gonna you're gonna

1195
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: make a bunch of money. And he had bad months

1196
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: and good months. He went on a bad streak with

1197
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: me once and then he went on a street where

1198
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: he was thirteen and one on the air, like literally

1199
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen games in a row. So yeah, no,

1200
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: you know, I always said one of the reasons I

1201
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: do sharper square is because I always felt I never

1202
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: wanted to try to pretend even though I had a

1203
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: lot of people I knew in odds making. I knew

1204
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: Roxy Rocksborough at one point, I didn't know him well,

1205
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: but I knew knew him in Vegas. Is that I

1206
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: always thought I was better as the mark. And then

1207
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: the audience like I do sharp and square. I'm I'm

1208
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: the square totally and this year I was really square

1209
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: on blazing five. But I I think I have kind

1210
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: of a beat on how to do it. But this year,

1211
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: by the way, Nick, was the worst year I've ever had,

1212
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: and I think some of it was moving the kickoff

1213
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: that offenses. I took underdogs because I've always taken b quarterbacks.

1214
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: In point, say you were you you had a bad

1215
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 2: year because this was the year of the favorite, and

1216
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 2: you like that, don't any right, any any long time

1217
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 2: NFL better knows the sharp side usually is the underdog, like,

1218
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: not always, but usually, And this was the absolute year

1219
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 2: of the favorite, which was why our dear friend the

1220
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: squarest roube I know, Danny Parkins H's sixty five percent

1221
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 2: the year of the favorite. Anybody is a guy who's

1222
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 2: picking favorites every week. The guy can't lose. I can't

1223
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 2: he can't live here. Hot red Hot is unbelievable. Guy

1224
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 2: could not lose? Makes me say, has he always been

1225
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: that good at betting Pro football? God? No, the best

1226
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 2: year of his life by a mile. First year on TV.

1227
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 2: Everyone thinks now he's got He's the dude from Uh,

1228
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 2: he's al Pacino from Show Me the Money or whatever

1229
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 2: that movie is. I give me a break. This guy

1230
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: is so annoying, so annoying. I'm listen. I love him.

1231
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: He's my best friend. I'm happy for I had no idea.

1232
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: I thought he was just a great NFL Better.

1233
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: Listen, He'll tell you that's the truth, and that I'm

1234
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: being unfair and that I'm just jealous. I'll let the audience,

1235
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: you know what, the audience check back in in five

1236
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: years and see us see if he ever duplicates what

1237
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 2: he just did. He had a great year. By the way,

1238
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 2: he didn't even create.

1239
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: This this mythical championship competition until like week six, I know.

1240
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 2: Like that's the other thing. That's what's such bullshit. It's

1241
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: not like he was like, you know what, I'm new

1242
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: to the network. I'm challenging Nick and Colin. He gets

1243
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: a huge lead on you and me, and then all

1244
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,759
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's wearing gold chains and a throne

1245
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: and calling himself f s One's best handicapper. It's infuriated,

1246
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 2: utterly infuriated.

1247
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: He makes one good prediction at prediction and the next

1248
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: week he's opened up a palm reader business on the

1249
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 1: climing's third.

1250
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 2: And main Americans get out of here, all right, buddy,

1251
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: Good to see you, see it.

1252
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: The volume