1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: I remember sitting there crying, and I was like, this 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: child who you called yours, This is the child that 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: you loved so much, and you want him burned in 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: a barrel. How disgusting. 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning. This is Betrayal, Season three, episode four, 6 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Him or Me, Doctor Justin Rutherford never expected to be incarcerated. 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: He seemed genuinely surprised to be in jail. Stacy and 8 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: her family had moved back to the Virginia area to 9 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: be closer to family and friends. Justin's godmother, Nanny Dee, 10 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: had done the same. He wrote frequent letters to Nanny. 11 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: She looked after him as a child and had always 12 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: been there for him as an adult. She did not 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: believe the accusations against him. He shared his complaints with 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: her about the lack of amenities in jail. 15 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 3: The only chairs here are hard as well as the beds. 16 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: And this is probably TMI, but the diet they give 17 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: us caused me the worst constipation. It really makes things terrible. 18 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: Once Tyler came forward, the Burkes County District Attorney's office 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: was able to build a strong case against Justin. There 20 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: was a good chance he could be sentenced to decades 21 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: in jail, and that was largely because of what Tyler 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: was able to share during his forensic interview. 23 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was Detective Fick or Weaver, 24 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: one of them I had spoken to, and they said 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: they were so proud of Tyler because they had never 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: seen a child, or heard a child give such a 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: detailed interview as far as how much information he recalled. 28 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: As a trial date drew closer, Justin's letters to family 29 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: and friends grew more frenzied. 30 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: Nanny call around to some of the lawyers below, explain 31 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: my charges and deal that was offered, which is basically 32 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 3: fifteen to thirty or open plea, see if they think 33 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 3: they could do better, and see if they would do 34 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: pro bono or reduced fee due to money already spent 35 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: on current lawyer. 36 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: Justin's father had an adopted daughter. 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: Justin wrote to her, it's been a while since we 38 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: have spoken. I miss you and the fam so much. 39 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 3: I feel like we were the closest and you came 40 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: to visit regularly. I am curious what you think of 41 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: all of this shit. This is a compliment. You were 42 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: always the shadiest in our group of siblings, and I 43 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 3: was wondering if you still have contacts into the shady realm. 44 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: Send me the answer through text on the tablet, but 45 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: don't mention the question, as everything is recorded through text 46 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: and phone. If the answer is yes, I will send 47 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: you another letter with more info. Please keep this between us. Please. 48 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 3: On the contrary, if you think I'm a piece of 49 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: shit who deserves to be here, just ignore this letter. 50 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: She ignored it. Nanny, however, stayed in regular contact with Justin, 51 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: and he sent her many letters from jail like this. 52 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: I can't live life knowing I won't be able to 53 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: be with my kids until they are adults, that I 54 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: was a failure and not given a chance at redemption. 55 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: And honestly, if it comes down to it, I guess 56 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: I'll have to take the pain away myself. I don't 57 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: want it to end that way, but I literally can't 58 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: do it. I'm not strong enough to serve so long. 59 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: Justin was doing anything he could to get out of 60 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: the Burkes County jail where he was awaiting trial. Tyler 61 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: was in a kind of jail as well, a jail 62 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: that Justin had built. 63 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 4: When the abuse was going on. That was just my 64 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 4: normal day to day life. I didn't think much of it. 65 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 4: It was just how things went and it was expected 66 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 4: to happen. It wasn't a shock. I was used to it. 67 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: I was trained, and I finally had time to deal 68 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: with all those motions away from justin. It was like 69 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: my first time actually trying to get through it on 70 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 4: instead of just like be numb to it or whatnot. 71 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: All the emotions they just flood into your mind, flood 72 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 4: into your body. It's just overwhelming, over stimulating. Anything is 73 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 4: gonna set you off. It's like you have a short fuse. 74 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: At least it was for me. 75 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: Stacey wanted to do something nice for the kids to 76 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: get away from the whole mess at home, so she 77 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: took them to Disney World. It's called the happiest place 78 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: on Earth, but for Tyler it was anything. 79 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 4: But everyone smile on their faces, and like in my head, 80 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: it was a completely different atmosphere. It was like I 81 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: was in a different spot. Like Stranger Things, how they 82 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 4: have the upside down, That's where I was. I mean, 83 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 4: I was in the same place, but in my mind, 84 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 4: I was in a different atmosphere. A few nights, I 85 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: was just sitting on the balcony by myself. Everyone was inside. 86 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: I just wanted to jump because we were about like 87 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: four or five stories up, Like I didn't really want to, 88 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: but I guess I just I didn't see another way 89 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 4: to stop the anxiety. It was so bad. That was 90 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 4: just like a way to switch it off and know. 91 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: Going back at Disney, Tyler started fearing for his little 92 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: brother and sister, the lines, throngs of people everywhere. He 93 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: still carries that with him. 94 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: I just I worry with the littles being in public. 95 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 4: I hate when they run off. I don't like them 96 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 4: being more than like a foot from me, But I 97 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: just worry so much. I don't know if it's fear 98 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 4: of them getting hurt, fear of somebody taking them, but 99 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 4: when they're in public, I want them to be raped 100 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: by either me or my mom's side, and nowhere else. 101 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: He appreciated his mom trying to show the kids a 102 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: good time after all they'd been through, but the anxiety 103 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: was unrelenting, punishing. It followed Tyler when he was awake, asleep. 104 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: It didn't matter. Tyler had a great therapist, but that 105 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: weekly meeting was no match for the pervasive thoughts that 106 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: plagued him. Twenty four to seven. 107 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 4: I definitely struggled with both depression and anxiety, but to me, 108 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 4: anxiety was my killer. They just seemed like there was 109 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 4: no way to get by it. This was about a 110 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 4: week after the Disney trip. I was at school. It 111 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: was just a normal day, and I started to have 112 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 4: some pretty bad anxiety I would say more so like 113 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: a panic attack, Like my heart was beating really fast, 114 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 4: and the thoughts were just going left and right in 115 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 4: my head, going crazy, and I just I couldn't shake 116 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: it no matter what I did. It was terrible. It 117 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: lasted all the way till I got back home. I'm like, 118 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 4: damn it, I'm ten hours into this and it's just 119 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: getting worse and worse. So I decided I was gonna 120 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: take matters into my own hands. That day, I wanted 121 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: to kill myself, but I didn't want my family to 122 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: know I tried to do that or hurt them, so 123 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 4: I tried to make it look natural, like a heart 124 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 4: attack and down like a whole tub of pre workout 125 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 4: Jim energy drinks and whatnot. You're usually supposed to take 126 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: like a scoop, Like two scoops is too much and 127 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: your heart's going crazy. So I wouldn't say I downed 128 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 4: the whole tub, but I definitely tried to down as 129 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 4: much as I could in a short period of time, 130 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: and that just made it even worse, to the point 131 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: where it literally felt like my heart was going to 132 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 4: come out of my chest, like I thought I was dying. 133 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 4: So I called my sister. 134 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 5: I got the phone call. It was a FaceTime video 135 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 5: from him. He's crying and he's like, I'm scared. My 136 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: chest feels funny, and he's like I took something. I 137 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 5: made him stay on the phone with me, and Ems 138 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 5: got there. 139 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 4: Mom got there, They sent the paramedics. They said I 140 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 4: was all right, I would just have a very fast 141 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 4: heart rate for a while. 142 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 3: Was all the caffeine. 143 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 5: They took him to the hospital and then that's when 144 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 5: he got admitted. 145 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: Tyler was admitted into a mental health facility in Virginia 146 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: with a reputable youth program. 147 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: Not only did Justin ruin his childhood, but now he 148 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: doesn't even want to live on this earth. I felt 149 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: like he had took enough from him, and I think 150 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: that's what made me angry, is he knew how much 151 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: my kids meant to me. If Tyler would have died, 152 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: I say I probably would have just jumped with him, 153 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: because I don't know how parents live without their kids. 154 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 4: I stayed there for I think about eight days, and 155 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: the whole time just went through therapy. 156 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: The inpatient program gave him helpful strategies to deal with 157 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 2: his anxiety. 158 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: They gave us a bunch of like papers and handouts 159 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: to keep. It had like good coping mechanisms on there. 160 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 4: I kept that paper and took it with me wherever 161 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: I went. 162 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: Tyler recognized his treatment as an opportunity. 163 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: You just gotta want it, because there's definitely kids in 164 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: there who didn't want it and therefore didn't help them 165 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: like it did me. Like I know a kid who 166 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: said he'd been in and out of him for like 167 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: six years, and then after you go so many times, 168 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 4: they make you stay longer and longer. And he was 169 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 4: telling me his last stand one was like nine months. 170 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 4: So I saw that and took that as a sign 171 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 4: that I need to learn what I need to learn 172 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: and get out of here and go live my life. 173 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: Tyler was determined to make strides in his mental health. 174 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: He didn't want this to be the rest of his life. 175 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: I honestly thought it was like a good break from life. 176 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 6: Like. 177 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 4: I actually enjoyed it because it was just calm and 178 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 4: it helped teach me a lot. 179 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: Tyler told me that he still has some rough patches 180 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: and weeks of feeling bad, but he's doing much better 181 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: and suicide doesn't enter his mind anymore. Stacy and Tyler 182 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: had a lot of dates to deal with, meetings with 183 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: prosecutors and court appearances. A few months after Tyler finished 184 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: his treatment. In about two years after Justin was arrested, 185 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: there was a special day. Stacy's whole family was looking 186 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: forward to the August twenty twenty three wedding of Stacy's 187 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: eldest daughter, Mikayla, to her long time boyfriend Tommy. There 188 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: was a lot of joy leading up to the wedding, 189 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: but it was also a time of reflection. Justin's absence 190 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: was deeply felt. Even with the knowledge of his crimes. 191 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: Mikaela was like his daughter. She called Justin debt. 192 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 5: She felt cheated for Father's Day one year, I said, 193 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 5: when I'm old enough and find the right man who 194 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 5: loves me the way that you do, well, you walk 195 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 5: me down the aisle. Some nights we would be planning 196 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 5: and I would cry. It's like a missing piece, but 197 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 5: also like I don't want that piece here. 198 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: Mikila walked a fine line between feeling excitement for her 199 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: big day and respecting the grief around her. 200 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 5: It was hard for me to be truly happy with it, 201 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 5: like oh, I'm getting married because everyone around me is miserable, 202 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 5: and here I am like, oh, what color do you 203 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 5: want to wear to my wife? 204 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: When the day finally came, the whole family rose the occasion. 205 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: Just talking about it makes Stacy emotional. 206 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: Michayla's wedding was beautiful in August. There was so much 207 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: joy that day, and that was a day that was 208 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: going to be really hard for me. That ended up 209 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: not not at all, like and that was I get 210 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: one hundred percent say a god thing because you know 211 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: it just it was. 212 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: A beautiful day. 213 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: They were all dressed beautifully, they danced. Mikayla and Tommy 214 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: are a great couple. It was a celebration of them, 215 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 2: a family, of survival, of making it this far for. 216 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: A window of a weekend. I think we just forgot 217 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: about things like I would have just loved to live 218 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: in that weekend in Michayla's wedding because that was our 219 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: first time where we just had fun. We didn't think 220 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: about it, we didn't talk about it, like today's a 221 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: day and being joyful and new beginnings. And there's a 222 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: lot missing that day, But there was also so much more. 223 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 2: While the family reveled in a new chapter of love, 224 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: Justin continued steing in jail. A trial was just months away. 225 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: Now he knew he couldn't stay there. He organized his 226 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: thoughts and came up with three strategies to avoid prison, 227 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: options one, two, and three. Option one had been mentioned 228 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: in his letters with both Stacy and Nanny. The option 229 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: was suicide. Though Stacy didn't fall for Justin's threats to 230 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: take his life, it probably hurt Nanny much more. Option 231 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: two was mentioned, but still vague. We'll return to that later. 232 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: And then there was option three, persuading Tyler to recant 233 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: his statement to detectives. 234 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: Dear Nanny, thank you for trying option three. If you could, 235 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: please try to continue to push for him to drop it. 236 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: Here's why I can't go to trial, and they say 237 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 3: there's too much evidence. It is true that I did 238 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: the camera. I have an issue with voyeurism. It's true. 239 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 3: Please keep this to yourself. 240 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: Finally, an admission that he did put the camera in 241 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: the house. 242 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: The camera is basically what screwed me, because there is 243 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: no evidence otherwise for the rape charges. I do swear 244 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: to you, Nanny, that I never raped anyone. So basically 245 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: I should be serving maybe a year for my true crimes, 246 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: but instead may end up serving much more. I'm not 247 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: gonna lie. I got myself in a pickle, but please 248 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: don't let me serve time that is unjust. 249 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: This is hard to stomach. I got myself in a 250 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: pickle as something you say when you make plans with 251 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: two different friends on the same night, not a phrase 252 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: when you use to describe these kinds of charges. 253 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: He continues, I would be institutionalized and have no way 254 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: to ever retire. It's literally the worst ending to my 255 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: life I could imagine. Please keep trying option three because 256 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: we're approaching the line of no return. Love Justin. 257 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: Sergeant Fick found the relationship between Nanny Dee and Justin puzzling. 258 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 7: I listened to a lot of jail house calls from 259 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 7: her and Justin. 260 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: Their communication did not sound like an aunt and nephew 261 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: or godmother and godson. 262 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 7: I mean, there's times they talked like their husband and 263 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 7: wife I was confused by that. I know she supports 264 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 7: Justin He has a lot of people Fulden's family. 265 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: Meg McCallum, the lead Assistant District Attorney of Burke's County, 266 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,479 Speaker 2: was busy preparing for true she was assigned to prosecute 267 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: the case. 268 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 6: I have been specifically doing sexual assault prosecution for ten 269 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 6: and a half years now. When it comes forward, these 270 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 6: families are devastated because, unfortunately, nine times out of ten, 271 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 6: what we were seeing is that it was somebody very close, 272 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 6: if not a family member, who has committed these crimes 273 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 6: against these children. It is hard because there's that part 274 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 6: of them that you love, that you have grown a relationship, 275 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 6: grown this family with. It's not all bad, and it's 276 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 6: similar with domestic violence victims, where the cycle just kind 277 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 6: of keeps going because he was doing good, kind, helpful things, 278 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 6: and those parts of him that were not hidden were 279 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 6: the good parts and were probably genuinely good to them. 280 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 6: But he obviously had this side that nobody would have anticipated, 281 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 6: nobody would have expected him to do where he was 282 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 6: raping this little boy since he was tiny. 283 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: Ada McCallum pointed out that there are times when these 284 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: cases can't be prosecuted. 285 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 6: Sometimes I have to make the hard decision where I 286 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 6: don't believe a child is going to be able to 287 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 6: make it through the process, or I just don't think 288 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 6: that we're going to be able to get a beyond 289 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 6: the reasonable doubt verdict, and so sometimes those cases are 290 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 6: not approved. That's actually probably the hardest thing that I 291 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 6: have to do, because then I have to tell that 292 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 6: family it's not the time for this. 293 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: And what about Tyler? Could he make it through a trial? 294 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 6: There was no question based on my review of his 295 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 6: interview and his discussions with my detectives, and even when 296 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 6: I met him at the preliminary hearing, he was going 297 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 6: to be okay and would have just and. 298 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: Got what he wanted. And Tyler didn't testify. 299 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 6: If Tyler didn't cooperate, and if Tyler wasn't willing to 300 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 6: testify in this case at a trial, we would not 301 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 6: be able to convict Justin Rutherford of the crimes for 302 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 6: his conduct against Tyler. In Pennsylvania, specifically, I have to 303 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 6: call child victims to testify unless there is some other 304 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 6: evidence where it's videotaped or something like that, or somebody 305 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 6: witnesses it. In order to sustain my convictions. And so 306 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 6: because sexual offenses occur secretly, they happen for a very 307 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 6: long time, we have almost no evidence ever, other than 308 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 6: the victim's own words. Their words become the most important 309 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 6: thing for the prosecution. 310 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: The District Attorney's office had solid evidence against Justin. They 311 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: believed he needed to be held accountable for his crimes 312 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: and kept off the streets, so they made a plea offer. 313 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: Justin found the offer unacceptable. 314 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: Dear Nanny, I am so sad that you want me 315 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: to take this deal. I don't understand how you think 316 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: it is okay for me to be in here for 317 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: fifteen thirty years. Do you think I'm guilty? Do you 318 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: not believe me? I mean, I know it's not your 319 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: fault I'm in here, but I thought you would do 320 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 3: everything you could to prevent this injustice. I don't know 321 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 3: how you sit there idly by and watch as he 322 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: takes everything, not just for me, but you and the kids. 323 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 2: He takes everything. The he is Tyler. He is a 324 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: sixteen year old boy who has just lost everything. According 325 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: to Justin, Tyler was doing this to him, to Nanny 326 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 2: d and the kids, and Nanny wasn't doing anything about it. 327 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: I lost my wife, house, car job. If I took 328 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: this deal, I would not only lose my kids since 329 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: I would not be out until they were adults, but 330 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 3: I would lose my career. I would never practice medicine 331 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 3: again if they had my DNA or an eyewitness but 332 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: literally they have nothing. 333 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: If Justin thought nothing of Tyler's testimony, why was he 334 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: trying so hard to have him recant. 335 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 3: You always said you would do anything for me. You 336 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: could negotiate other terms such as money, treatment, etc. I'll 337 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: complete treatment and never contact him if he recants and 338 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: doesn't testify. I know I'm putting you in a difficult 339 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: spot and it's not something I like to do. But Nanny, 340 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: this is not fair, and you know it. I am 341 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: backed into a corner with nowhere to go. I just 342 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: can't take the pain of not being there for you 343 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 3: and the kids, the pain of being labeled, you know what, 344 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 3: the pain of losing my reputation career, and the pain 345 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 3: of being a failure bad father. 346 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: In these letters, Justin emotionally torments his godmother Nanny. He 347 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: uses suicide and dying as a negotiation tactic. The blood 348 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: would be on her hands. Justin must have thought that 349 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: would work on Nanny. He knew that she really loved him. 350 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: Time was running out for Justin. His court date was approaching. 351 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 2: He realized that option three's waiting Tyler to recant was 352 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: not going to happen. He didn't seem too eager to 353 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: pull the trigger on option one, taking his own life. 354 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: He was ready to deploy option two. He wrote to Nanny. 355 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: Even the Bible is full of God smiting one's enemies, 356 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 3: for example, David versus Goliath. At this point, you have 357 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: to choose a side. It's either me or him. 358 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: He should have known that the police monitored his communication, 359 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 2: but at that point he didn't seem to care. He 360 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: was done being reasonable. 361 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: I really need you to do this, and I mean asap. 362 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 3: Look I have tried every other way. I'm not saying 363 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 3: you have to do it personally. 364 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: Was he really suggesting what I think he is suggesting. 365 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 3: I am done fucking around. The offer they gave me 366 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: is the same as this twenty three year old kid 367 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: who stabbed his mother sixty plus times, all because of 368 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 3: stories that were made up after the camera thing went down. 369 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: He even suggested this. 370 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: Go downtown Martinsburg and look for a druggie, just get 371 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 3: it done. Offer less than ten thousand pay after cash. 372 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: Any old druggie would do to kill Tyler. Remember this 373 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: man was a doctor. Justin always told Nanny he loved 374 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: her and would look after her and his letters, but 375 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: he seemed quite willing to risk her freedom. 376 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 3: Nanny, I am asking you to trade your few remaining 377 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: years for my forty plus. That is, if you do it. Obviously, 378 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 3: talk to no one else and ask for a lawyer 379 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 3: immediately if questioned. 380 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: And if she could find a willing assassin. He offered 381 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: guidance on the best time to approach the target. 382 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 3: I recommend after work, but you do it how you wish. 383 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 3: This is not the road I wanted, but it is 384 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 3: the one that must be taken. It's either that. 385 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 6: Or me. 386 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 2: In case Nanny wasn't taking the suicide threat to heart. 387 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 2: He concluded the letter with his own obituary. 388 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: Thirty three year old male with so much potential good doctor, 389 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 3: good father, wrongfully accused survived. 390 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: Nanny wasn't going to find someone to kill Tyler. He 391 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: would take the matter into his own hands and find 392 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: someone on the inside. What was Justin offering money? Of course, 393 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: other inmates probably thought he was rich since he was 394 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: a doctor. 395 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 7: He just basically said, you know, when I get out 396 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 7: of here, I'll make sure that you're comfortable. 397 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: Justin would do anything, anything to save himself. The details 398 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: were all in the affidavid of probable cause. The affidavid 399 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: says Rutherford wrote down the victim's address, his schedule, the 400 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 2: car he operates, his interests in other personal identifying information. 401 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: Rutherford also drew a floor plan of the victim's residents. 402 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: It continues. Through the use of covert recording devices, investigators 403 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: were able to intercept communications Rutherford made while incarcerated at 404 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: Burke's County Jail system. During this interception, and investigators heard 405 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: Rutherford discuss having the victim murdered. During the interception, Rutherford 406 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: stated that a Monday night after seven pm would be 407 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 2: the best time, as it is dark and no one 408 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: else would be home. Rutherford stated to use gloves and 409 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: to wear layers of clothing so no DNA is found. 410 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: Rutherford stated, as soon as you knock him out, it's 411 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 2: painless and no evidence. The affidavit also contained Justin's instructions 412 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: for disposing the body. Rutherford also stated that the victim 413 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 2: could be buried in the forest somewhere. Rutherford also stated 414 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: that the victim could be burned in a barrel, as 415 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,239 Speaker 2: this would be like a cremation and is also a 416 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 2: good way to get rid of any evidence. It was 417 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: all on tape. Sergeant Fick had suspected that Justin wouldn't 418 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: just try to persuade his godmother nanny. 419 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 7: We got possession of the jail house letters. I wanted 420 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 7: to arrest him for that. At that point, we were 421 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 7: told they felt we needed more. I went to other 422 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 7: state prisons and interviewed individuals that were cellmates and on 423 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 7: the block with Justin, and they all told me that's 424 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 7: all he would talk about. But the good news is 425 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 7: we did have the chance to use an informant to 426 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 7: obtain information how he wanted to have Tyler killed. 427 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: They caught a break. Another prisoner whose release date was 428 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: near came forward. He was disturbed by Justin's persistent solicitation 429 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: of him to kill Tyler when he was released. At first, 430 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: the informant didn't believe Justin. 431 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 7: He thought he was joking, because when you're in there 432 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 7: you have nothing else to do, you're going to blow 433 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 7: steam off. 434 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: I wish he was dead. 435 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 7: I get it. But he went too far. He did 436 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 7: not just say I wish he was dead, or you know, 437 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 7: I wish someone would kill him. He actually gave details, 438 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 7: giving him a layout of the home, what it looks like, 439 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 7: Tyler's interests, and you know, explain different scenarios on how 440 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 7: to kill him. Make sure that there's no evidence. He 441 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 7: stepped way over that line. 442 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: Justin knew the layout of the home where Tyler was living, 443 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: the Knights, he worked, where his room was in the 444 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:29,239 Speaker 2: new house. How In the last episode, Stacy explained that 445 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: she allowed the littles to send and receive letters from 446 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: Justin in jail, but there was more. Stacy also permitted 447 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: Justin to have video calls with them. 448 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: That's how he drew the map. The kids video chatted 449 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: and wanted to show him their new house. You know, 450 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: you thought you were doing the right thing. You know, 451 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: what could it harm letting him talk to the little ones? 452 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: But then the whole time he was like plotting this 453 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: stuff in the back. 454 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: Stacey didn't want Tyler to be in the house during 455 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: these calls. 456 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: I would say, Tyler's not home this night, he's got 457 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: a work. That'd be a great night for you to call. 458 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: So like he knew his work schedule. Because of that, 459 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: I never thought twice about, oh my god, I just 460 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: told him that he's at work. 461 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: Detectives drove down to Stacy's home from Brooks County to 462 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: tell her about Justin's plot in person. 463 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: I remember sitting there crying, and I was like, this 464 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: child who you called yours, This is the child that 465 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: you loved so much, and you want him burned in 466 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: a barrel. 467 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 3: How disgusting. 468 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: He knew how much my kids mean to me, and 469 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: you were okay taking that. You were okay taking another 470 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: thing from me. You were okay taking another thing from 471 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: your two children, their brother. It was sick to think 472 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: that the person that loved him so much was willing 473 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: to get rid of him to save his own self. 474 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: So from that point on, I slept for the loaded 475 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: gun next to my bed. I mean, I was going 476 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: to shoot to kill if he was coming after me 477 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: and my kids. When Tyler would come home from work, 478 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: I would stay up and wait, especially on Monday nights, 479 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: because it was supposed to be done on a Monday night. 480 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: Monday nights were really bothersome for me, but I couldn't 481 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: stop for the longest time waiting up and watching for 482 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: him to come in. 483 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: Justin thought he was smarter than everyone, but he wasn't 484 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: smarter than the Burkes County detectives. They planted a recording 485 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: device and captured evidence of his plans to kill Tyler. 486 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: Justin had exhausted his options, an option one seemed more 487 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 2: like a ruse to manipulate nanny. Now, Assistant District Attorney 488 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: Meg McCallum had a new option of her own, and 489 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: it was one Justin probably never saw coming. 490 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 6: Charges were brought against Justin Rutherford for a solicitation to 491 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 6: commit a murder, specifically of Tyler, and I legally and 492 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 6: ethically believe that we had sufficient evidence to prove it 493 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 6: beyond a result out. 494 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: On the next episode of Betrayal, Stacey and Tyler finally 495 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: get their day in court. 496 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to look at him because I wanted him 497 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: to see my face when I was reading what I 498 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: said to. 499 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: Him, and Justin's words shock everyone. 500 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: It had nothing to do with your age. I mean, 501 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: love can strike you at any point, you know, look 502 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 3: at Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher. 503 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 2: If you're a man who has experienced sexual abuse or assault, 504 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: or you know someone who is seeking support, go to 505 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: one in six dot org. That's the number one I 506 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: n number six dot org. Find a path to a happier, 507 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: healthier future. If you would like to reach out to 508 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: the Betrayal team, email us at Betrayalpod at gmail dot com. 509 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: That's Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com. Also, please be 510 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: sure to follow us at Glass Podcasts on Instagram for 511 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: all Betrayal content, news and updates. We're grateful for your support. 512 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: One way to show support is by subscribing to our 513 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: show on Apple Podcasts, and don't forget to rate and 514 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: review Betrayal. Five star reviews go a long way. A 515 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: big thank you to all of our listeners. Betrayal is 516 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group, 517 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The show is executive produced 518 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: by Nancy Glass and Jennifer Fason, hosted and produced by 519 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: me Andrea Gunning, written and produced by Kerry Hartman, also 520 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: produced by Ben Fetterman. Associate producers are Kristin Melcury and 521 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: Caitlin Golden. Our iHeart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Crincheck. 522 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 2: Voice acting by Andrew Dabby. Special thanks to Stacy Rutherford Tyler, 523 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: and the rest of Stacy and Tyler friends and family. 524 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: Audio editing and mixing by Matt Talfekio editing support from 525 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: Nico Aruka. Betrayals theme composed by Oliver Bains. 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