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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. George Norri with you, Daniel Perez with

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Speaker 2: us after fourteen years. He became interested in the subject

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Speaker 2: of Bigfoot at around ten years old by the way

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Speaker 2: of a movie, he said, east Side of Walking Theater,

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Speaker 2: called The Legend of Boggy Creek. Since January of nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety eight, he has published an ink on paper postal

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Speaker 2: mail newsletter and is the last of its kind with

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Speaker 2: readers from all over the planet. Daniel, welcome back. Why

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Speaker 2: fourteen years? What have you been up to.

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Speaker 3: I've been busy working like everyone else, trying to make

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Speaker 3: a living. But it is what it is. It's been

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Speaker 3: a while.

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Speaker 2: Well, good for you, have you been.

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Speaker 3: I've been just wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about this interest in Bigfoot, because it never waned.

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Speaker 2: It got better and better and better for you, didn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's like the drug of choice.

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Speaker 2: Tell us more.

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Speaker 3: Well, like I said, or like I've written, I knew

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Speaker 3: nothing about the subject of Bigfoot, sesquatch, abominable snowmen until

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Speaker 3: I saw that one movie, The Legend of Boggy Creek.

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Speaker 3: And even then I didn't think are they asking the

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Speaker 3: people watching this to think that this is real. And

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Speaker 3: that's kind of what got me started. And I went

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Speaker 3: to the library and started checking books out and started

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Speaker 3: to realize, Hey, there seems to be something to this.

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Speaker 3: So that's how I got started.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty seven, there's an incredible event that has

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Speaker 2: been turned into what it's called the Patterson Gimblin Film.

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Speaker 2: What do we know about this.

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Speaker 3: Well, we probably know more than ever before, but I

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Speaker 3: will let's back up for a moment. One thing that

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Speaker 3: is unfortunate at this time in writing is that the

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Speaker 3: camera original film that Roger Patterson shot is lost, and

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Speaker 3: the camera original film of the footprints that he shot

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Speaker 3: the same day was loaned out to the BBC and

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Speaker 3: was never returned, and I guess a look at the

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Speaker 3: BBC archives never turned it up. We do have copies

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Speaker 3: of both, so it's kind of like the Mona Lisa

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Speaker 3: is on loan and somehow there's copies but you never

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Speaker 3: get the original back. That's kind of like the situation.

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Speaker 2: Explain what the film is, Daniel. The people who have

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Speaker 2: not heard about.

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Speaker 3: It, Basically two people from Yakima, Washington or from the

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Speaker 3: Yakima Washington area. Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin were out

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Speaker 3: in northern California because there had been previous reports of

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Speaker 3: bigfoot prints, large bigfootprints up in that area. And so Roger,

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Speaker 3: being quite an active investigator at the time, told his

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Speaker 3: companion or friend from the rodeo circuit, Bob Gimlin, heyd,

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Speaker 3: let's go down and see if we could see some

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Speaker 3: of these bigfoot tracks. And so they sat on down

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Speaker 3: to northern California, the northwest corner of the state where

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Speaker 3: the ocean is and just below the Oregon border, and

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Speaker 3: they started patrolling the creeks and started patrolling the woods

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Speaker 3: there and instead of just saying footprints, they came upon

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Speaker 3: the footprint maker herself, and so that's essentially what it is.

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Speaker 3: And they were able to get on sixteen millimeter film

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Speaker 3: using the sixteen millimeter Kodak camera, a film of the

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Speaker 3: creature that lasts about a minute. And so that's and

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Speaker 3: since that time, it's been about six years since that

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Speaker 3: be this cultural icon all over the world.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of the film, Daniel.

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Speaker 3: What do I think of it? Yeah, as I explained

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Speaker 3: in my book that, having been one of the great

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Speaker 3: students of the film, is that I'm one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: confident that what you see in that film is a

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Speaker 3: female Bigfoot, nothing more and nothing less. And so let

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Speaker 3: me explain when I say female, is that it becomes

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Speaker 3: obvious when you start to watch the film carefully that

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Speaker 3: it does have memory lens or breasts that are plainly

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Speaker 3: visible in the film. And you know, the obvious answer

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Speaker 2: You make the analogy of Abraham's A Pruduce Shil with

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Speaker 2: a Kennedy assess Nation, which is probably the most scrutinized

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Speaker 2: film ever ever, But this one is way up there too,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. In fact, the suppruder film of the Kennedy A

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Speaker 3: fashination from nineteen sixty three, is by far, even by

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Speaker 3: far the most scrutinized film because of what it depicts

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Speaker 3: a President John F. Kennedy being shot and killed and

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Speaker 3: so unfortunate. But in this instance it's something that's completely unknown,

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Speaker 3: and everyone, especially in the day of the Internet, the

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Speaker 3: terms of trying to understand more fully this film, and

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Speaker 3: perhaps they couldn't have done maybe twenty years ago. One

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Speaker 3: film stabilization, because when Roger Patterson took this film, he

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Speaker 3: was on the run, trying to close the distance between

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Speaker 3: himself and the subject that is walking on a sandbar,

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Speaker 3: and so there's a lot of jiggle in the film.

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Speaker 3: And what they've done is they've taken the jiggle out

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Speaker 3: of the camera, so you could see the subject on

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Speaker 3: the sandbar much much better. And you could anyone now

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Speaker 3: appreciate her for all she's worth.

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Speaker 2: A fellow by the name of Bob Heronymous claims that

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Speaker 2: he was in the suit, a bigfoot suit, and that

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Speaker 2: he was supposed to be paid for it. What do

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Speaker 2: you think of that story?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's back up a minute. Bob Hornymous is still living,

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Speaker 3: as is Bob Gimlin, who's from the Yakama, Washington area,

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Speaker 3: And just for everyone in the audience is that they

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Speaker 3: in the day in the mid sixties, late sixties from

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Speaker 3: not a big town, everyone knew each other. So Bob

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Speaker 3: Ronymus claims that Roger Patterson asked him to Dawn a

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Speaker 3: bigfoot gorilla suit to make this film, but his claim

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Speaker 3: doesn't come to light till the late nineteen nineties, and

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Speaker 3: he said that Roger was going to pay him one

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Speaker 3: And so if you back up a little a bit

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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven, in Yakima, you could probably buy a

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Speaker 3: that was a considerable amount of money. And so because

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Speaker 3: of the publicity it received that Bob Hoeronymous, if his

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Speaker 3: claim was valid, he should have said something back in

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Speaker 3: the late sixties, but there's no evidence that comes forward

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Speaker 3: to indicate that he ever made that claim. It didn't

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Speaker 3: shopping with his story as to what transpired to get publicity.

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Speaker 3: And since that time a lot of people have latched

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Speaker 3: that must be the answer. The Patterson gamlenn film must

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Speaker 3: be just a man in a costume, and it was

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Speaker 3: Bob ranmus Now. In June of twan nine, I was

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Speaker 3: and I actually knocked on Bob Hoeronymous's door on five

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Speaker 3: And so you could imagine maybe he shrunk a few

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Speaker 3: not as tall as he claims.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that bigfoot in the Patterson Gimmelin film looks

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Speaker 2: like it's seven feet tall.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's quite large based on the feet, based on

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Speaker 3: the testimony of the people who were there. And so

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Speaker 3: that's the first thing is if if Bob Hoeronymous's claim

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Speaker 3: is to be believed, he would have to be a

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Speaker 3: would have to severely question his claim that he was

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Speaker 2: What did the skeptics say about it, Daniel.

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Speaker 3: The skeptics, the doubters are one hundred percent convinced that

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Speaker 3: it is just not just a man in a costume,

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Speaker 3: and they've gone on and on and have written about it,

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Speaker 3: have done podcasts about it, television interviews. But here's the

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Speaker 3: thing is that if it really is just a man

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Speaker 3: in a costume, then you should be able to duplicate it,

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Speaker 3: and to date no one has. And so if you

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Speaker 3: back and look at science in general, you look at

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Speaker 3: other examples, and I think in nineteen eighty nine there

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Speaker 3: So essentially that's what's happening in the sun. But they

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Speaker 3: what they had quote unquote achieved. Other scientists got wind

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Speaker 3: the other scientists who were trying to duplicate what Fleischmann

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Speaker 3: So they came to the conclusion that the cold fusion

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Speaker 2: And so go ahead, who in their right mind would

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Speaker 2: want to put a costume on out in Bluff Creek,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at the time it was hunting season. So if

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Speaker 3: risked an enormous chance of being shot because there's a

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Speaker 3: So that would be a huge risk for anyone to take.

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Speaker 2: And the shooter at the time could just simply say

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Speaker 2: not going to get charged with anything, is he?

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Speaker 3: No, No, absolutely not, he says. Well, he says, I

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Speaker 3: I can't believe there's a big foot out there. It

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Speaker 3: because maybe it was approach or whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, whoever, if you take the position that it's

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Speaker 2: Tell us about your book, of course, Bigfoot at Bluff Creek.

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Speaker 3: Now Bigfoot at Bluff Creek A Pictorial Discussion is a

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Speaker 3: self published book by me because I wanted to have

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Speaker 3: with it, yes, exactly, And so in nineteen ninety four

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Speaker 3: and then in two thousand and three I wrote a

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Speaker 3: booklet that was twenty three pages long, Bigfoot at Bluff Creek,

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Speaker 3: so that I'm the author about as well. And so

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Speaker 3: that was me back then trying to write about effectively

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Speaker 3: Hindon and John Green. So they were a colleagues of mine,

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Speaker 3: I made a decision, well, this has been going on

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty pages long, with an index and all

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Speaker 3: sorts of photos hence the term pictorial in the title

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Speaker 3: about the PG film, the Patterson Gimlin film. And this

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Speaker 3: is essentially bigfooted, block creeped original booklet but on steroids

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Speaker 3: and I'm very proud of it. And just yesterday I

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that because it's a very good discussion about

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Speaker 3: the book there are never never before seeing photos that

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Speaker 3: so people might ask, well, that's not a big deal,

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Speaker 3: think of an iconic movie star from Hollywood, Marilyn Monroe,

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Speaker 2: How were you able to get the photos from him?

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Speaker 3: Well, here, George passed away. He was a chainsmoker and

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Speaker 3: And so that makes me now the person with the

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Speaker 3: most physical, the largest physical files in the world on Bigfoot.

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Speaker 3: And part of those physical files were slides thirty five

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