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Speaker 1: I'm a homegrowl that knows a little bit about everything

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Speaker 1: and everybody, you know, if you don't lie about that. Right, Hey, y'all,

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Speaker 1: what's up. It's Laura l. Rosa and this is the

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Speaker 1: Latest with Laura Rosa. This is your daily dig on

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Speaker 1: all things pop culture, entertainment, news, and all of the

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Speaker 1: conversations that shake the room. Now today, if we are

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Speaker 1: checking in behind the scenes of the Grind, today is

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Speaker 1: a good day, y'all. We are preparing to go and

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Speaker 1: tape something very very very very very very special Tamor Hall.

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Speaker 1: So I'll be headed to Tamor Hall. She taped here

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Speaker 1: just as much as I can, because I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: so we'll be there talking about the low Riders, which

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Speaker 1: are you guys, everybody that's listening in and tuned in,

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Speaker 1: and you know, just the building, I mean all from

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Speaker 1: figuring out video to just everything. So we'll get into

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Speaker 1: it with Tamara Hall, y'all know she liked to get

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Speaker 1: into the thing, so we probably gonna get into the things.

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Speaker 1: But I'm really excited. So you guys, you know, stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for that. You know, I'll bring you updates from

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Speaker 1: wherever I go. We're like podcast bloggers ish, like taking

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Speaker 1: working Homecoming just wrapped up. Shout out to Delaware State University.

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Speaker 1: We won our homecoming game seventy to twenty three. It

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Speaker 1: was pouring down, rainy outside, but man, we had such

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Speaker 1: a great time on the plots. And homecoming is always

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Speaker 1: I think when I go on vacation. It's cool and

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Speaker 1: that you're paying for that shit. Like you that vacation

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Speaker 1: Talk about experience?

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Speaker 1: Some if he's willing to receive where I am I

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Speaker 1: check it out. Kirk Franklin is on amazing things with

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Speaker 1: that out. At the end of the day, there's always

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. Y'all could be anywhere with

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Speaker 1: right here with me every single day, my Lowriders. This

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