1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Native lamdpod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Happy Tuesday. Welcome home. This is another edition 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: of a solo pod with me your host, Angela Rai 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: for Native lamppod. I am excited to be with you 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: all today to get into a very very pressing question, 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: which is are we in a constitutional crisis? And is 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump stage and a coup? So I'm going to 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: point to a couple of things that i think are 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: important as we consider this very important question. A lot 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: of people are asking, a lot of folks are panicking 13 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: about it. Hi, I'm people, And one of the things 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: that has been really pressing for me is the fact 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: that on Sunday I was at church. I should have 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: been just panished to discernment, but I'm being very honest 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: with y'all. 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: I was at church. 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: And there's a tweet that comes across from jd Vance, 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: who of course is y'all's vice president, and jd Vance 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: tweeted impertinent part. 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: I'm just going to reflect on this one portion. 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate powers. Judges 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate powers. Now, some 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: of you might be saying, Okay, that's his opinion, find whatever, 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: But he goes on to tweet things to share information 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: that supports this very asinine point that judges aren't allowed 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: to control. 29 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: The executive's legitimate powers. 30 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: Now, what is really in question here is not that, 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: because we know we talk about every single solopod basically 32 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: there are three co equal branches of government, at least 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: right now, there's the legislative, the executive, and the judicial branch. Now, 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: we have always talked about a system of checks and 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: balances and that is entrined in the Constitution. And what 36 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: the Trump administration is essentially trying to do. You would say, hey, actually, 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: there's this idea that we have. This says the executive 38 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: actually has a little more power and surprise, that is 39 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: in Project twenty twenty five. 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a little bit. 41 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: But first I want to use as a basis for 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: my question for my reason for panic, this court case 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: that is before the United States District Court of Rhode Island. 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: That case, as many of you all may know, I'm 45 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: gonna hold this up so you can see I believe 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: in documents. So this court case was brought by twenty 47 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: three different states attorneys general where they sued because they 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: sued the Trump administration, the treasurer, the treasurer, the Secretary 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: of the Department of Treasury, the acting Secretary of Health 50 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: and Human Services, the acting Secretary of Education, etc. 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: FEMA, and so on and so forth. 52 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: In this case, they've alleged that the federal government is 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: exceeding the executive brings, exceeding its powers by freezing federal funding. 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: A judge by the name of John J. McConnell, Junior, 55 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: agreed with these twenty three states, including the District of 56 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: Columbia attorney's general, saying, you know what, let's have a 57 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: temporary restraining order on what the Trump administration is doing. 58 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: Let's temporarily stop this funding freeze, allow this funding to 59 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: go forward so that we don't have these issues in 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: the country putting a lot of people in harm's way. 61 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: So the judge issued this temporary restraining order after the 62 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: attorneys general filed their case filed their suit. On January 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: twenty eighth, the Trump administration comes out and many of 64 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: you all remember the Press secretary says, well, we are 65 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: rescinding the O ANDB memo that issued this funding freeze. 66 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: But we're not going to freeze what we're actually doing, 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: causing a little bit of confusion, given people reason for pause. 68 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: And then what you saw after that was that funds 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: were frozen. You heard about it in community health centers. 70 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: You've seen it now with farmers, including the guy that 71 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: voted for Donald Trump and saying you had time to 72 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: do his research. You're starting to see this stuff come 73 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: out where they actually did freeze funds, which means they 74 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: did not comply with the core order. So on Monday, sorry, 75 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: on Friday, these attorneys general come back and say, hey, 76 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: we're flagging for y'all. We need emergency relief. They are 77 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: not complying with this core order. The judge rules on Monday. 78 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: That's what this is, that they in fact are accurate 79 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: and that the federal government is not complying with the order. 80 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: So let me read to y'all what is supposed to 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: happen when the federal government, visa be the executive branch, 82 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: does not comply with a federal court order. Again three 83 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: quote equal branches of government judicial, legislative, and executive. So 84 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: the executive branch is not complying with this order from 85 00:04:59,240 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: judicial rimps. 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: That's what he says. 87 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: It is a basic proposition that all orders and judgments 88 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: of courts must be complied with promptly. 89 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: This is on page two of the order. 90 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: Persons who make private determinations of the law and refuse 91 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: to obey an order generally risk criminal contempt criminal contempt 92 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: even if the order is ultimately ruled incorrect. There's several 93 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: other pieces that we can point out to the defendants who, 94 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: in this instance are is the Trump administration argues that 95 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: they're just trying to root out fraud. The judge throws 96 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: that argument out and says, that is way you guys 97 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: are operating way far beyond the scope of ruling out 98 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: and rooting out fraud. 99 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 2: So alas here we are. So, now, what makes this 100 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: a constitutional crisis? 101 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: You're saying, Ah, you know, Donald Trump is gone Trump, 102 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: He's you know, of course he's gonna say he's not 103 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: gonna comply. What makes this a constitutional crisis? So glad 104 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: you asked so again, there is a temporary restraining order. 105 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: The judge has ruled once after the case was filed 106 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: on the twenty eighth rule twice Monday saying no, not 107 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: so much. You're not doing what you're supposed to do, 108 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: and failure to comply means you're held in criminal contempt 109 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: of court. So what happens if they still don't unfreeze 110 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: the funds, Well, that means that the executive branch is 111 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: deciding that they don't have to listen to what the 112 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: judicial branch is saying. Now, the Trump administration is said 113 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: that they are appealing this order to the First Circuit 114 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: Circuit Court of Appeals, and right now, I'm gonna tell 115 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: you it's not going to go in their favor. There 116 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: is not a single conservative judge on the First Circuit 117 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals. And then after that their next stop. 118 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: And this is what I think makes this a constitutional crisis. 119 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: It is the Supreme Court. Now what makes this the 120 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: constitutional crisis? Article one, section nine, clause seven of the 121 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: United States Constitution gives the power of the purse. 122 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: To the legislative branch. 123 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: That means the legislature decides how money is spent, how 124 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: money is let out the door, whether or not resources 125 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: are spent at all. They determine if there's a freeze. Right, 126 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: So when we talk about government shutdowns, that's two sides 127 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: not agreeing. Until we can agree, nothing's moving. That's a 128 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: federal funding freeze in effect. Right here is the primary issue. 129 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has decided that sure, and the Trump administration 130 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: has decided sure. The power of the purse to spend money, 131 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: and we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, 132 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: belongs with the legislature. But the power of the purse 133 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: to save money, to stop spending money belongs with the 134 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: executive branch. That is not true, but that is how 135 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: they're reading this. And what I think is scary about 136 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: this is that this was all addressed in Project twenty 137 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: twenty five, along with more than two two thirds of 138 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: the executive orders and actions that Donald Trump's administration has 139 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: taken on so far. Two thirds of those can be 140 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: found in Project twenty twenty five. So now when you 141 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: take in a consideration that they're through Jdvans on Sunday 142 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: saying you ain't the boss of me, and then you 143 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: know the judge had to come out and say, not once, 144 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: but twice, there's a federal federal funding freeze, bro. Or 145 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: you're unfreezing this federal funding freeze, bro, We're not doing this. 146 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: The fact that they're not listening to that. 147 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: JD. 148 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: Bans told y'all that they weren't going to listen to that. 149 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: And then so that means there's this blatant disregard for 150 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: what the constitution says. And then there's a violation of 151 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: a core order that we just talked about. And then 152 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: when you consider that the Trump administration has fired several 153 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: inspectors General, which are the internal watchdogs for all of 154 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: these government agencies. And then you take in a consideration 155 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: where he initially froze federal funding and how, and then 156 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: you take into consideration the number of civil service protections 157 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: that have always existed across multiple administrations for federal government employees, 158 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: and that there's been this blanket, blanket attempt to fire 159 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: to have them kind of be bought out. A judge's 160 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: ruled against that, but again, if they're not going to 161 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: comply with court orders, America, you in danger, girl, You 162 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: in danger. And so this is what we have to 163 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: wrestle with. There are five or six things happening simultaneously 164 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: that signal that we're in a constitutional crisis. And I 165 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: don't and and I want to just stop here for 166 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: a moment to acknowledge. 167 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: I'm trying to. 168 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: Figure out what we thought was going to happen with 169 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: a lawless president. This man has several convictions. This man 170 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: has run his companies at least allegedly if you believe 171 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: the cause of actions that weren't even allowed to go forth, 172 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: and some of the ones that were in a very 173 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: fraudulent manner. Even with Tis James's successful suit against Donald 174 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: Trump Civilly for fraud. 175 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure. 176 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: Out why any of us, I'll say us to be 177 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: nice today would have thought he would do anything different. 178 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: Like a criminal gone crime, a lawless man is gonna 179 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: be lawless. And so it's so interesting that these are 180 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: the folks who call people illegal when they in fact. 181 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: Are the illegals. 182 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: So, in the most simple terms, what I can tell 183 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: you is, when one branch of the government chooses to 184 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: blatantly ignore and disregard another coequal branch of government, you 185 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: have a constitutional crisis. So we're not upon a constitutional crisis, 186 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: We're not around the corner from a constitutional crisis. We 187 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: are in the midst of a constitutional crisis. So what 188 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: are my fears now? So again I talked about already 189 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: that the First Circuit Court of Appeals is governed by 190 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: most part judges who were not There's no conservative judge 191 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: on that bench there and I don't want to call 192 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: them liberal, but they are left leaning. There's not a 193 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: conservative bench. So Donald Trump and his administration are most 194 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: certainly going to appeal to the Supreme Court. And this 195 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: is what has me worried. Too many members of the 196 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 1: Supreme Court are supporters of, either proactively or indirectly of 197 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation, the same Heritage Foundation whose president said 198 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: that their role now will be to institutionalize trump Ism. 199 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: He didn't say democracy, he didn't say preservation of American 200 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: liberty and freedom, he didn't say any of that. What 201 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: he said was that their role now is to institutionalize 202 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: trump Ism. And that is a direct quote. So the 203 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: Supreme Court is upholding that same standard when you go 204 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: to whether or not they would find that Donald Trump 205 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: could be criminally responsible for any of his actions taken 206 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: as a president. Even the fact that it was limited, 207 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: The fact that that question had to go before the 208 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: Supreme Court and that there was any discussion of that 209 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: demonstrates to you where this court really falls. So before 210 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court before including in the case where they 211 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: determined if the upsitting president can have criminal immunity. They 212 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: dealt with this doctrine called the unitary executive theory. Unitary 213 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: executive theory essentially vests all power, all executive powers, into 214 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: the hands of the president. So the entire executive branch, 215 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,479 Speaker 1: the only person that can make decisions be held responsible 216 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: all of that is the president. Now, that would be 217 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: great if they held him accountable at the times where 218 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: he breaks the law because he's an illegal, but they're not. 219 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: They're talking about vesting more power in the president, that 220 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: the president should have more authority. They didn't think that 221 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 1: when Barack Obama was in office, now did they. So 222 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: this to me is dangerous because what that essentially means 223 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: is that the independents that have traditionally been in spaces 224 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: like finance, in media, in elections, like we have some 225 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: commissions that have been set up and they are bipartisan 226 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: by design to be another very important phrase here today, 227 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: y'all check and balance for the administration. Those things are gone. 228 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump just appointed himself to be the chair of 229 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: the Kennedy Center. Like right, Like, I mean, there's no 230 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: neutral arbiter of facts and neutral arbiter of what is 231 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 1: right and what is wrong if Donald Trump can just 232 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: insert himself and as king over all these things. So 233 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: it also will impact prosecutions, and we saw that just 234 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: recently with Donald Trump saying, you know what, as a 235 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: matter of fact, we're just gonna throw out all these 236 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: charges against Eric Adams. 237 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 2: There's no more neutrality in any of that. 238 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: Now. It is just up to this president because of 239 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: the unitary executive theory, which I think is very harmful 240 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: and I think puts America in a tremendously compromising position. 241 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: So I know y'all are like, Okay, well, now that 242 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: you spread all this great doom and gloom, where do 243 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: we go from here? Well, what I think we have 244 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: to be mindful of is this the time is now 245 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: to fight, The time is now to spread correct information, 246 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: to let people know that if you upset Donald Trump, 247 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: if you hurt his feelings, if you insult him, that 248 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: your livelihood is on the line. And not just your livelihood, 249 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: but your freedom is on the line. We have to 250 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: treat a dictator like he's a dictator. And I think 251 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: that what we have to acknowledge is that at some 252 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: point some articles of impeachment need to be drafted. I 253 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: would say that point is now at some point the 254 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: challenges around unitary executive being made into the arguments by 255 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: these twenty three Attorneys general before the Court of Appeals, 256 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: before the Supreme Court have to be addressed. I'm concerned 257 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: because if John Roberts is even on this nonsense, like, 258 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: I don't know who our fourth and fifth votes would 259 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: be on the Supreme Court, but you would think that 260 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: there would be some desire, some willingness to preserve democracy. 261 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: I'll tell you all if you all are thinking about 262 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: this in any similar way, what has been jarring for 263 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:38,359 Speaker 1: me is knowing democracy is fragile, knowing that it's compromised, 264 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: knowing that it is so far from perfect, but seeing 265 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: how easily it can be destroyed. It's something that I'm 266 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: really wrestling with, and I think, if we're honest, institutionalists, 267 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: even in the House of Representatives, even in the United 268 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,239 Speaker 1: States Senate. 269 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: Are struggling with this. 270 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: I built my career on underunderstanding how the law works 271 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: and strategizing politically to advance causes that would impact people 272 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: who look like me for the most part, and now 273 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: most of that playbook doesn't work. And so what I 274 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: think you're seeing, I know people are like, well, why 275 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: aren't people fighting back, why aren't our members responding wires? 276 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: It is because folks are flabbergasted, like we all knew 277 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five was going to become a thing, 278 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: like nobody ever. Well, some people believe that Donald Trump 279 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: when he said this isn't my plan, I don't have 280 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: anything to do with this, despite many of the people 281 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: who wrote it having been associated with the Trumpet administration 282 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen and then now many of them going 283 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: back into the administration. Many of us knew that, but 284 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: I don't know that we knew we were going to 285 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: be overwhelmed by so much information so quickly. And I 286 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: don't know that many people believe that he would just 287 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: blatantly ignore a court. But to this, I would say 288 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: to the Department of Justice under the Biden administration, under 289 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: the leadership of Merit Garland, this is your fault, bro, 290 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: straight up, Like you didn't have the courage to challenge 291 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, to prosecute him when you could have, and 292 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: now we got to deal with this dictator. 293 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 2: That blood is on your hands, seriously, and so you. 294 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: Know Special Proxecutor Jacksmith saying he would have likely been 295 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: convicted all of these things, these afterthoughts, James comey coming 296 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: back around. 297 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: Like to hell with all y'all, like this is all 298 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: you're doing. 299 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: And I think ultimately what really has to happen is 300 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: white folks have to have a conversation with themselves about 301 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: how badly they want to cling to power, even when 302 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: it is toxic, even when it is abusive, and even 303 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: when it means that you very well may not be safe. 304 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: That is the day and age we're living in now. 305 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: When you look at this court order from Judge McConnell 306 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: from Rhode Island, he talks about the consistency of his 307 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: ruling with the United States Constitution statutes, the Supreme Court precedent. 308 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court may very well take out their precedent. 309 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: They may say it's time for a new day, you know, 310 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: and I think that that'll be really unfortunate. So this 311 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: temporary restraining order that Donald Trump continues to violate, let's 312 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: see how many instances I think there are twenty something 313 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: court cases now, how many instances where they blatantly disregard 314 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: the court. That is what puts us squarely in a 315 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: constitutional crisis. And that is where the people have to 316 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: cry out. I keep telling you how to call your members. 317 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: You have no idea how important that is. They might 318 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: just need to know that there are people standing behind 319 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: them who want them engaged in the fight, and that 320 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: you're not going to leave them hanging, because ultimately, even 321 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: though they're sworn in, they took a oath, they're still 322 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: human beings, and human beings. 323 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 2: Have blind spots. I know I have mine. We got 324 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: to hold each other accountable. We have to fight together. 325 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: That is what That is our least reasonable service, and 326 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: that means not fighting each other. That means fighting along 327 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: side one another to preserve our freedoms, even if we 328 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: know that it means that we deserve much more freedom. 329 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: So that is my. 330 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: Podcast for today. I'm gonna see if there are any questions. 331 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: There are some questions. So one question from wear of 332 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: many hats, I like this name, what can the average 333 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: American do when the checks and balances aren't checking or balancing? 334 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: Call your members. You got to let them know what 335 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: your expectations are. Be like when y'all drafting these articles 336 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: of impeachment, though, you know, when are y'all going to 337 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: the White House and telling them what really is about 338 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: to go down. The questions are what legislation are you 339 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: going to prevent from passing? Because it shouldn't be no 340 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: business happening when I can't even give my government check. 341 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: Those are the things that we have to do, Like 342 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: your business is my business. And if I can't get 343 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: my business done because the federal government ain't doing what 344 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: I'm paying the federal government to do, y'all, don't let 345 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: another point of business happen on the House floor or 346 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: the Senate floor. Another question, and from Queen Bee of Swords, 347 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: I just don't see how even with court orders and 348 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: contempt charges, once they don't comply, who was going to 349 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: enforce the law? Yeah, that is exactly what makes this 350 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: a constitutional crisis. Percy Miracle says Trump is doing what 351 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy did and distinguished gentleman movie Trump exposing how 352 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: politicians spend our money. 353 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: And get and get kickbacks. For sure, they just. 354 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: Got rid of some provision today that would prevent government 355 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: officials from bribing foreign countries because of business reasons. So absolutely, 356 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: what do we do about elon looks? Listen to the 357 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: podcast from last week, please, and senators and congressmen are 358 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: powerless right now. I don't see how a phone call 359 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: would change with that. Again, I think that what we 360 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: have to remember is that there are power in numbers. 361 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: And if there was ever a place where you can 362 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: make a difference by short sheer people power, it is 363 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: within the United States Congress. What do I mean by that? 364 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: This can all change with math? 365 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: Once there is a majority agreeing on an issue, even 366 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: if it's not all Democrats, some of those Republicans where 367 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: in vulnerable districts come over. I know that we have 368 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: a graphic that we're putting up shortly that tells you 369 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: where all of those vulnerable Republican members are from, what 370 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: districts they're from. When those folks start coming over, because 371 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: their constituents are like, nah, we didn't sign up for this. 372 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: We didn't vote you in for this. We voted you 373 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: in for common sense solutions. We didn't vote you in 374 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: to support a dictator. That math starts moving on to 375 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: the other side. And so it is imperative, especially now 376 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: because I think our window of time is short. We 377 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: have to start getting those folks over quickly. Here's what 378 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: I know doesn't work. You sitting around in dread definitely 379 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: doesn't work. You sitting around frustrated that they're not doing 380 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: anything and it's not the will of the people, but 381 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: the will of the people hasn't been communicated to them. 382 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Definitely doesn't work. So what my idea would be with 383 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: my members is, you make sure not another bill passes 384 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: until Donald Trump complies with these core orders. You make 385 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: sure that there is a crew working on articles of 386 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: impeachment because this man isn't illegal and he shouldn't be president. 387 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: You make sure that every nomination now on the Senate 388 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: side is held up because why are we going to 389 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: continue to appoint more people that are trying to work 390 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: for a king and not for the American people. Those 391 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: are the kinds of calls we can make and must make, 392 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: and the numbers easy. It's two zero two two, two 393 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: four three one two one. You don't just have don't 394 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: have to just call the member who over who's over 395 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: your particular congressional district. You can call others and say, 396 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: I expect more from Congress. I'm calling out to Congress. 397 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm calling out to Maxine Waters and Jasmine Crockett and 398 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: Andre Carson and how King Jeffreys and Stephen Horsford and 399 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: Evett Clark. Who's the new chair of the CBC and 400 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: Joyce Baty and all these other folks who might be 401 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: like minded, but they might just need a word of encouragement. 402 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: And so I would tell you the most important place 403 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: to call, even if you want to courage your members 404 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: but they're mostly aligned with what we're talking about today. 405 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: Call the members who are undecided, who think their constituents 406 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: might want to see this air of change that Donald 407 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: Trump is bringing in, but when they realize what all 408 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: is at stake and how many people are being harmed, 409 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: even if they weren't the direct target, but they're suffering 410 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: no less, those are the people I would call. So 411 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: again we'll put that graphic up. I thank you all 412 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: so much for your time today. We will be on 413 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: our podcast this Thursday. It'll be the three hosts, Native 414 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: lampod Angela Raie, Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum and of 415 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: course you all are always welcome. Please submit your questions 416 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: to us on Instagram with a video. Let us know 417 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: your name and where you're from. 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