1 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague West Honkoitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: Hear from our studios at Lambeaufield to review last Thursday's 5 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: trip to Detroit and unfortunately WES had ended in a 6 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: disappointing thirty four to thirty one loss to the Lions 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: at Ford Field, a walkoff loss field goal thirty five 8 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: yardfield goal on the last play of the game. I 9 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: would characterize this as a disappointing loss, but by no 10 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: means a discouraging loss. When I look at where the 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers are, would you agree with that? 12 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I and any other year Packers went up against 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: the best team in the NFC and maybe they'd still 14 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: be their division, maybe they'd be second their division. Unfortunately, 15 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: we know what the North is this year. So that 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: was the hard part about it. When you realize that 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: the Packers now are nine to four and they've lost 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: to statistically in the standings the three top teams in 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: this conference in Philly, Minnesota and now Detroit twice. Green 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: Bay played a lot better in this game than they 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: did the game at Lambeufield a month ago. I thought 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: you saw some of the corrections that they needed to make. 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 2: They made those. The problem was, though, as we've seen 24 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: time and time again, Detroit is one of the most 25 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: consistent teams in the National Football League in terms of 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: executing what they are looking to do on the field. 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: They run the ball efficiently, they don't take negative yardage plays. 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: The more comfortable that Jared Goff gets, the less that 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: it's on his shoulders to kind of play hero ball. 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: The better that this team plays indefensively, I absolutely tip 31 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: my cap to them because for as a defensive front 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: that was as beat up as they were going into 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: this thing. The Lions, I thought, really brought it to 34 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: Green Bay and the trenches in this game. So there 35 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: were a lot of positives, there were some areas for improvements, 36 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: some negatives. But at the end of the day, and 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: we'll talk about this later in the week with Seattle 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: and what's coming at this loss to the Lions. As 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: long as Green Bay channels did it appropriately against Seattle, 40 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: against New Orleans, against Minnesota and then Chicago, I mean, 41 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: this could be something that really helps propel you into 42 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: the playoffs. They just need to make sure it doesn't 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: snowball the opposite way because green Bay played them really tough. 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought so too, And I want to do 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: the I'm gonna call it the reverse dom Capers here. 46 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Pepers always used to go to Let's start 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: with the negatives, start with the positives. Okay, there are 48 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: positives to talk about from this game, and I want 49 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: to get to those, but I want to do those 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: later because I want to start with the regrets, because 51 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: there are a lot of regrets for the Packers. You 52 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: mentioned Detroit's banged up defense and how they kind of 53 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: took it to green Bay, especially in the game. The 54 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: slow start on offense in a game that turned out 55 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: to be turned into a shootout, right frankly offensively, the 56 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: slow start going punt punt fumble on the first three possessions, 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: especially when that second possession was starting near midfield, when 58 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: the defense for Green Bay had gotten a stop of 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: the Lions deep in their territory. So you get good 60 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: field position on your second drive of the game, down 61 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: seven to nothing, but you don't do anything with it. 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: Then you punt, and then the fumble occurs at the 63 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: end of an explosive catch and run by Christian Watson, 64 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: a gain of twenty yards. You're across midfield, but he 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: doesn't protect the football. It comes out and the Lions 66 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: get it back. They turn that into a field goal, 67 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: so you've gone punt punt fumble and you're down ten 68 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: to nothing. So the slow start there a very big regret. Obviously, 69 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: fourth downs another regret in this game. The Lions end 70 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: up converting four out of five on fourth downs. Two 71 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: of those are fourth and goals that turn into touchdowns, 72 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: and then obviously the fourth and one call at the end, 73 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: which allows them to then run the clock out before 74 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: they kicked the field goal, so the Packers don't get 75 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: the ball back, and really that was kind of the 76 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: culmination the biggest regret for me defensively in this game 77 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: for Green Bay. You know, you're not going to just 78 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: shut down the Lions. They're too good, right, They're going 79 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: to make plays, They're going to get points. What was 80 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: really the regret defensively in this game for Green Bay 81 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: was the last two drives. Because the defense had gotten 82 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: an interception and a fourth down stop back to back 83 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: in the second half. The Packers offensively turned both of 84 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,119 Speaker 1: those into touchdowns, which really kind of you know, changed 85 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: the whole complexion of the game. But then Detroit's last 86 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: two drives they were just slowly methodically grinding the clock. 87 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: They get a touchdown, and then they kill the last 88 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: three and a half minutes to kick a field goal. 89 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: Those are the regrets that stay out to me. And 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: then of course you have the the offensive pass interference 91 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: in the red zone, which the Packers only end up 92 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: getting the field goal that ties the game instead of 93 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: a touchdown to take the lead. All of those fall 94 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: in the regret category. I'll let you expound on any 95 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: or all of them if you wish. 96 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel like Aaron Rodgers here is 97 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: like okay, like you're asking them them like I'm I 98 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: threw a whole lot at you. No, No, it's not 99 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: even that. It's just when you say, expounded what I want, 100 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: there's so much to expond upon. You touched on a 101 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: lot of it there. Let me just start off with 102 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: this what happened on those last two series. Green Bay 103 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: needs to get stops, no question about it. You can't 104 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: let them leak down the field the way they did. Absolutely, 105 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: But that is this is what Detroit does seventy six 106 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: offensive plays thirty six minutes a time of possession. They 107 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: wear on you, they lean on you, they play physically, 108 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: and then they just try to sort of push you 109 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: over over the course of a sixty minute game. Not 110 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: to say that that's what they did at the end. 111 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: I think green Bay was competitive from beginning, middle and end. 112 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: But it just shows you when you apply that type 113 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: of pressure what the Lions are able to achieve. And 114 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: this was one game, Mike. For as many regrettable moments 115 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: as there were for green Bay, Detroit had a fair 116 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 2: amount of them. The interception that Jared Goff has that 117 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: turns into a Keishawn Nixon pick, his first pick of 118 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: the year, that leads to points them deciding to go 119 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: for it on fourth and one. I believe it was, 120 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: or maybe fourth to two at their own thirty one 121 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: yard line while they're leading twenty four to twenty one. 122 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a controversial decision in the third quarter, 123 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: and all the other ones, the fourth downs, I agreed 124 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: with all of them. And you had to read this 125 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: when I wrote this an inbox, I'd be curious to 126 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: see your thoughts on it. Matt Lafleur's point about a 127 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: week or two ago about the red zone and when 128 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 2: you're passing deep in the red zone, either the play 129 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: is there or it's not. You're going off schedule. The 130 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: bang Bank nature of it is what ended up happening 131 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: at the end of the first half, and then obviously 132 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: the one that they converted late, and credit Jared Goff. 133 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: He was decisive, they were effective in what they were 134 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: trying to run, and to me, in addition to the 135 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: final two defensive stands, that was the difference. If Green 136 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: Bay keeps them out of the end zone and one 137 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: or two of those instances, yeah, this thing maybe goes 138 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 2: a different direction. It certainly would have had a different 139 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: flavor going into halftime. 140 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you talk about those fourth and goal plays, 141 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: the passes, those passes being there right away, I totally 142 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: agree with you there. One of the keys to that though, 143 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: is the balls on the two yard line or three 144 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: yard line in both of those instances, where when you 145 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: have Jamior Gibbs and David Montgomery defensively, you have to 146 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: be prepared for anything they might do. They might run it, 147 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: they might throw it. You know, it can be anything 148 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: which does make and the Lions know that you know, 149 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: obviously fourth and goal from the seven, if they decide 150 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: to go for that, you're going, okay, they're probably gonna 151 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: throw the ball here right well, fourth and goal from 152 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: the two, you don't know. And and the Lions use 153 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: that to their advantage because because those running backs are 154 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: so tough and are capable of of pounding those balls 155 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: in from the goal line. The Packers actually did a 156 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: really good job stopping the other than the very first 157 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 1: one at the beginning of the game, stopping those guys 158 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: from getting the rushing guests. They made Jared Goff throw 159 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: the ball into the end zone. But unfortunately they unfortunately 160 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: they weren't able to stop those It was really it 161 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: was really disappointing to see on the second fourth and 162 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: goal where they scored in the second half, that the 163 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: Lions came out of the huddle and kind of quick 164 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: snapped on the Packers and the defense wasn't set and 165 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: wasn't ready right. That's the kind of thing that can't 166 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: happen in a crucial situation like that. And and you know, 167 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: it's not like the Lions been do and hurry up 168 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: stuff and this and that throughout the game. It's like boom, 169 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: they just you know, they came out of the huddle 170 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: and they're like they rush up to the line and 171 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: snapped the ball, and you know they caught the Packers 172 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: to you have to give them credit. And if you're 173 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: the Packers, you have to say that that can't happen. 174 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: You have to be ready for the Lions to try 175 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: something different at any moment, and and they just they 176 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: That's how Detroit stays a step ahead of opponents most 177 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: of the time. 178 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 2: And kudos to Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson on this too, 179 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: because green Bay, if you look at the film this year, 180 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: Mic and all these teams do when they're playing them, 181 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: green Bay has been extraordinary in goal to go against 182 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: the run this season. How many times has it been 183 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: where the Packers have actually gotten off the field there 184 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: or they found a way to turn over the football. 185 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: It happened again in this thing, and it happened primarily 186 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: because teams are trying to run against them and they're 187 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: not having success. Detroit made the right correction. They tried 188 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: to sneak it, they tried to run it, they tried everything, 189 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: and then finally they go back to the pass. They 190 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: trust their quarterback to make the right lead and he 191 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: achieves that. The disappointing thing for me is that Detroit 192 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: finishes this game, Michael, even with an a'man Ross Saint 193 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 2: Brown ten yard run, thirty four carries for one hundred 194 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 2: and eleven yards three point three yards per carry. Jamiir 195 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: Gibbs had forty three yards on fifteen carries. That's the 196 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: number three in the fan voting for the Pro Bowl 197 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: right now. Forty three yards on fifteen carries, and one 198 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: of those went for twenty yards. Green Bay helped them 199 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: in check a lot of the ways you have to 200 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: hold them in check. But the difficult thing about facing 201 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions is even if you keep them in 202 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 2: third and moderate, there's a chance they're still going to 203 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: go for it on fourth down. And when you stretch 204 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: out four plays like that while trying to get ten yards, 205 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it's an aggressive mentality. We'll see whether or 206 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 2: not it's good enough to win a Super Bowl, yeah, 207 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: but certainly it's something that keeps you on edge the 208 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 2: entire time. And in this case, you know, obviously it 209 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: was probably the difference in the game. It was my 210 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: key to key to the game. 211 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, and that's where I wanted to 212 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: start with the positives in this game for Green Bay 213 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: because as much as you look at thirty four points 214 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: on the scoreboard, that's not what you're looking for defensively, obviously, 215 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: But I thought the Packers run defense, by and large, 216 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: was pretty darn good against maybe the best one to 217 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: two punch at running back in the league, certainly the 218 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: best one to two punch at running back the Packers 219 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: have faced. Yeah, this season in Montgomery and Gibbs, you 220 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: were throwing out some of the numbers. I went through 221 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: a few other numbers looking at specifically Montgomery and Gibbs. 222 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: Twenty nine carries between those two guys, and they didn't 223 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: have one hundred yards ninety four twenty nine for ninety four. 224 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: You will take that. I mean, credit to the Lions. 225 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: They stick with the run because they make you honor it. 226 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: And that is what helps out Jared Goff so much, 227 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: is because you do have to invest so much in 228 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: stopping the run. But those twenty nine carries between those 229 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: two backs, only five of them, Only five of those 230 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: twenty nine went for more than four yards. I mean, 231 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: twenty four out of twenty nine rushes by those two 232 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: running backs, the Packers held them to four yards or less. 233 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: That I think has been the most positive sign for 234 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: this defense moving forward. And as the Packers hit the 235 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: stretch run here and we're going to and again on 236 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: our next show, we'll talk about Seattle and what they're 237 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: doing with their running game, But the Packers' run defense 238 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: has been pretty darn good, and I think, I think 239 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: if that's something, and you know, Packers are banged up 240 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: now in the secondary, the injuries to Evan Williams and 241 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: Javon Bullered, and we'll see how this all shakes out 242 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: here the final month of the regular season, But if 243 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: the Packers can hang their hat on some solid run defense, 244 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: then you kind of you make the adjustments the rest 245 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: of the way, right with everything else that you have 246 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: to do. I thought, I thought green Bay's run defense 247 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: was darn good in this game. 248 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: So it's a catch twenty two kind of situation here 249 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: because I thought green Bay almost sort of pushed Detroit 250 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: out of the run, but it forced them to sort 251 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: of synthesize that production with their screen game, which they 252 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: did do eleven catches for the two running backs between them, 253 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: So in one way, you look at that as almost 254 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: a little bit of a feather in the cap that 255 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, they had to find a different way 256 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 2: to generate early down yardage. But you still when you 257 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: look at what green Bay did the two games going 258 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 2: into this, and I don't remember the exact stats, but 259 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: I think it was thirty carries for eighty three yards. 260 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: In the two previous games, Packers hadn't had a stretch 261 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: like that. I think only two stretches like that since 262 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: like nineteen fifty where they had back to back games 263 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: where they held teams in check that much. Yeah, without 264 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: allowing a rushing touchdown. Sure, so that's that is a 265 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: positive and I draw a lot from that. I think conversely, 266 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: green Bay had their own struggles trying to get the 267 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: run game going, but this game again proved that even 268 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: if things aren't blocked up perfectly, Josh Jacobs is gonna 269 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: make you right. My key to victory for this game, Mike, 270 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: was the Packers need to run the ball better than 271 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: Detroit did. They didn't technically do that when you look 272 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: at the total yardage when you look at some of 273 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: those things, But again, I will look at Josh Jacobs 274 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: and what he has done and the way he has 275 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: been able to really make that running game and own 276 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: it and make that his own goes over a thousand 277 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: yards for the season. Now has eight rushing touchdowns in 278 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: his last four games, a streak that we have not 279 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: seen outside of Aaron Jones. This guy is legitimate, and 280 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: I just think when Green Bay is gonna be if 281 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: you can keep him healthy, get to the postseason with him. 282 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I think number eight is going to do 283 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: some real damage. So run defense, run offense. Things did 284 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: you can correct on both sides of those things. But 285 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: the more and more I watched Josh Jacobs Mike and 286 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: I know I went on kind of my own little 287 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: tangent there. I just green Bay struggled for so long. 288 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: And this goes back to McCarthy era. It's not even 289 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: just on Matt Lafleurke. Sure, they struggled so long on 290 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: goal to go situations and what do you do when 291 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: you're at the two or three yard line. You know, 292 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: John Cohn used to take some of those handoffs, and 293 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: they tried to, you know, other running backs that aren't 294 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: always successful with it. 295 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: And we saw for a few years it just became 296 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: the DeVante Adams show that Aaron Rodgers to DeVante Adams. 297 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: That's how when the Packers got inside the five, that 298 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: was you know, other than the one year, the one 299 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: year Aaron Jones had the sixteen rushing touchdowns, which I 300 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: believe was Matt Lafleur's first season. Jones had sixteen rushing 301 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: touchdowns that year. Other than that, it always felt like 302 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: it was just it was like either Adams was gonna 303 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: Adams was going to get the ball in goal to go, 304 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: or the Packers might be kicking a field goal. So 305 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: I totally get where you're coming from. 306 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean him having so Jacob's having a 307 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: three touchdown game, you know, and that's the hard part too. 308 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: You have you have Christian Watson where he has the 309 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: early fumble, but kind of like his game last year 310 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: against the Lions, I thought Christian Watson was really critical 311 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: of what green Bay did and if at the very least, 312 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: I mean we could talk about the OPI if you 313 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: want to, but the forty six yarder to start the 314 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: second half, I mean that was huge to be for 315 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: green Bay to get that play early on, get that score, 316 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: that response to how the first half ended, and it 317 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: nearly was enough to pull out this win. 318 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say with regard to Watson, 319 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to point out that, you know, he did 320 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: everything he could to make up for at that early fit. 321 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: The four receptions for one hundred and fourteen yards, the 322 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: big one down the sideline early in the third quarter, 323 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: all of that, you know, Watson, Watson was the explosive play, 324 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: was the explosive play guy. We saw don Tavian Wicks 325 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: get involved again. Four catches forty nine yards. Romeo Dobbs 326 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: missed this game, he was still in the was still 327 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: on the concussion protocol. So what Don Tavianooks was able 328 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: to contribute. We saw Tucker Craft again. He was doing 329 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: his Tucker Craft things. Three catches forty one yards, gets 330 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: the touchdown, the twenty one yard reception where he kind 331 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: of gets labeled there near the goal line, but does 332 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: the kip up and now he becomes, you know, a 333 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: social media hero and everything with Sean michaels I Love 334 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: West has a story on that on packers dot com. 335 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: By the way, for those who are interested in what 336 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: Tucker Craft had to say about all the attention that 337 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: that play has gotten. 338 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: This guy, man, I'm telling you, dude, like they're gonna 339 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: build statues for him if he plays long enough. I mean, 340 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: touchdowns are great. He has seven of them, leads the team. 341 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: He's over five hundred receiving yards on the year. But 342 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: those type of plays his mentality. He said it to 343 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: Bill Hubert after the game, and then he was talking 344 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: with us in the locker room on Monday about it. 345 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: He did not want to let Jack Campbell, Kirby Joseph, 346 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: any of those guys get any type of jew any 347 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: type of momentum off that play for laying him out. 348 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: He wanted to do something that was going to tell 349 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: them I'm still here. And he got to his feet 350 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 2: quicker than Jack Campbell did. Those are the type of 351 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: ball players you want to have on your team. It's 352 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: not about what you say. It's not about throwing your 353 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: helmet at someone's kneecap. It is about how you respond 354 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: in moments in which physicality are warranted. Tucker Craft did that, 355 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: and this dude, man, I'm telling you, when you're talking 356 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: about heartbeat players, heart and soul players, guys that you 357 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: want to ride with you want to have your identity 358 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: built around. It's Tucker Craft because he does it the 359 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: right way. He's not looking to go out there and 360 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: injure people. He's not going out there to try to 361 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: be somebody that is going to become this big quote afterwards. 362 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: He wants to go play football. He did it that 363 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 2: way in South Dakota. He's doing it that way in 364 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: Green Bay, Wisconsin. He is going to play the game 365 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: the right way. And I can't tell you how much 366 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: respect I had for him. And I got to say 367 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: this too before you we go is a different direction. 368 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: The way we handle our things. People that are frequent 369 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: watches of our shows, read our content, you're at the 370 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: postgame press conferences. I'm in the locker room. I need 371 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: to say this once. Christian Watson again proved why again 372 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: while you have a heart and soul player like Tucker Kraft, 373 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: the way Christian Watson handles himself and the emotions that 374 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: were felt after that game, the fumble, the OPI, he 375 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: stood at his locker, his visiting room locker, and talked 376 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: about how it's on him. It's not about the officials, 377 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: it's not about what happened in the game. It's up 378 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: to him. If Kirby Joseph steps up and stops and 379 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: basically sets a screen, He's got to find a way 380 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: around it. If there's a fumble after a twenty yard catch, 381 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: he has to find a way to protect the ball better. 382 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 2: Christian Watson, Man, when you're building the culture of team, 383 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: and I've said a newnumerous times this season, when you 384 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: been in diversity hits, that really shows the true character 385 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: of an individual. I wish my character was stronger. It's not, 386 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, but I think Christian 387 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: Watson embodies everything you wanted a professional football player, and 388 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: that Mike is the end of my diet trip. 389 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: All right, Well, he is a true pro. I want 390 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: to make a couple more points on this. 391 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: Game, please do I just made twelve. 392 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Move on, No, that's okay. Because I realized this as 393 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: I was kind of jotting down some notes that I 394 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: know we call this Packers unscripted, but I was jotting 395 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: down some notes for the show and I didn't realize 396 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: it until this moment be talking about the Packers defense 397 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: and how I started that whole discussion by saying, Hey, 398 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: the Lions are going to get their yards, They're going 399 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: to get their points. Right. The Packers' defense in this 400 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: game had back to back stops in the first half 401 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: and had back to back stops in the second half. 402 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: The difference in the game, quite frankly, was what the 403 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: Packers offense did in those moments. The back to back 404 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: stops in the second half, the interception and the fourth 405 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: downstop were turned into two touchdowns. The back to back 406 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: stops in the first half a punt from midfield and 407 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: then a fumble, and you get no points off of those. 408 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: So in a game where you know your defense is 409 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: going to be taxed because the Lions are explosive and 410 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: dangerous and efficient and they will grind you into the 411 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: earth offensively, the times that the Packers defense had the 412 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: upper hand, the offense only cashed in on that sort 413 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: of in sort of half the time instead of all 414 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: the time, which is what you need to do when 415 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 1: your defense does get those stops. And then before we 416 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: move on, I'm going to make one comment about the officiating. 417 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: Oh good, because I thought and I've thought this one 418 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: through and I'm not even going to talk about other 419 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: than to say it right now. The OPI on Watson 420 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: and the Kirby Joseph collision and all that, I'm leaving 421 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: that one aside because what bothered me when I looked 422 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: at this game as a whole, and a lot of 423 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: people talking about the missed calls in this call and 424 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: the non call here and what ever, what bothered me 425 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: the most about the officiating in this game are two 426 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: calls that were about as inconsistent as you can get 427 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: in this league. And what I'm talking about are the 428 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: opening possession for the for Detroit, they have third and 429 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: goal in the seven yard line and Keishawn Nixon gets 430 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: called for illegal contact in the end zone when the 431 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: receiver runs into him. So the incomplete pass doesn't count. 432 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: It's just a call. 433 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: The incomplete pass doesn't count. The So instead of kicking, 434 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm assuming the Lions wouldn't have gone forward on fourth 435 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: and goal from the seven. Maybe that's a poor assumption, 436 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: but I'm thinking they would kick the field goal there 437 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: on the opening drive of the game. But instead they 438 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: get a first and goal inside the five and they 439 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: punch it in. I don't think the illegal contact had 440 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: a whole lot of impact on the play, but by 441 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: the letter of the law, if you say that's illegal contact, okay. Five. 442 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: But then on the last possession of the game, the Packers, 443 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: after a holding penalty on Detroit have the Lions in 444 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: second and seventeen and i'man ross. Saint Brown runs a 445 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: deep end cut, shoves Keishaw Nixon out of the way, 446 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: and catches a sixteen yard pass to make it third 447 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: and one. What bothers me the most about NFL officiating 448 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: is Kishawn Nixon getting called for that illegal contact on 449 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: the opening drive of the game, which is a four 450 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: point call. And then they don't call the push off 451 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: by the offensive player on the last possession of the game, 452 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: which instead of they call that it's second in twenty 453 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: seven from near midfield and instead it's third and one. Yep, 454 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: it's a twenty six yard swing. So one call is 455 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: a four point swing, the other call is a twenty 456 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: six yard swing. And there is zero consistency whatsoever with 457 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: how those how those two calls are made. So I'll 458 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: let you comment if you want to. I'm gonna leave 459 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: it at that. That is what is the most frustrating 460 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: thing about officiating in the NFL and how it imps 461 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: these very important games. 462 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: My Grandma Mary used to always uh save her coffee 463 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: and the next morning would re brew it, rewarm it up. 464 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: And I feel like that's what you've just done to 465 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: me with this officiating topic. As I had cooled off 466 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: and now going through that, which was a very good, 467 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: very convincing, very well articulated. 468 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: All I'm all I'm saying. All I'm saying is if 469 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: if both of those if both of those calls are 470 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: if both of those are called in a consistent manner, 471 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: either the Lions have four fewer points on the board 472 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: or the Packers are probably getting the ball back at 473 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: least at the end of the ball game. So that's 474 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: that's that's my point. 475 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: Let me So you know, Christian Watson was talking about 476 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: how he had to do things differently. I can tell 477 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: you one thing that Keishaw Nixon needed to do differently 478 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 2: after the shove from mom Andree Saint Brown is he 479 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: needed to act like he got hit by a mac 480 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: truck and bounce down the field for about five or 481 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: ten yards because that's the only way John halse and 482 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: his crew are catching stuff. I'm gonna say this once 483 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 2: and we'll move on from it. If I don't see 484 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: a John Hussey officiated game the rest of the season, 485 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: I'll be totally fine with that. 486 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: I will second that motion. 487 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: This in my opinion was the worst officiated game the 488 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: Packers have been a part of since the twenty twenty 489 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: NFC Championship game. 490 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: In Michael, I would agree with that. 491 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: Why am I saying that because of the consistency of 492 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: the calls. One of the reasons why I always praise 493 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: Bill Venovich, why I always praise some of these crews 494 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 2: across the league is one, you call the stuff that 495 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: matters in the moments that it mattered. Otherwise, it's football. 496 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: You can you can throw a flag on every play 497 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: if you want to at the critical times calling those 498 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 2: calling those types of penalties in two though, the overarching 499 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 2: thing to all this is just like teams have their 500 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: own game plans, just like they have their own adjustments, 501 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: officials need to be understanding of how they are calling 502 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 2: a game and stick to that standard. That's six seven, 503 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: eight people all working together, understanding the way in which 504 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: they're going to go through this thing. I deleted this 505 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: from Insider Inbox on Saturday, but I'm going to say 506 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: it now. There was not a single call made in 507 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: that game amongst professional officials that I don't think A 508 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: four man crew in the WIA and Wisconsin high school 509 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 2: football couldn't have made There was nothing I saw in 510 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: that game. Everything that they called was either a deliberate reaction. 511 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 2: You know, we talk about the Dan Skipper incident there 512 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 2: with kway Walker, and I'm telling you this right now, 513 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: Packer fans layoff kowy Walker. It's going to get corrected. 514 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 2: The issues that whatever the coaching staff wants to do 515 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 2: with kay Walker, they're going to handle that. What happened 516 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 2: in that incident, that could have been any linebacker. I 517 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: understand Quay shoved him back. I understand that there's a 518 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: history there. I get that. Don't tell me that Dan 519 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 2: Skipper didn't know that, especially the way that he was 520 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: handling himself throughout the course of that game, the way 521 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: that this thing went down. You move past it, You 522 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: move on. Players aren't going to talk about it. Coaches 523 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: aren't going to talk about it. Don't want to get fined. 524 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: I don't think I can get fined. We'll see. But 525 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 2: this game, Buy and Large Detroit was a better team. 526 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: Matt Laflor says it all the time. Yep, you have 527 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: to play above the officials. Green Bay didn't. But my god, man, 528 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: like this was one of those games where I got 529 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: done with it. I'm just like, this is what the 530 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,239 Speaker 2: NFL wants, this is this is how they want their 531 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: game officiated, and yeah that's how it goes. 532 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah it's too bad, but we will move on and 533 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: first to some sponsor business. Serious XMNFL Radio delivers hard 534 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: hitting analysis and up to the minute NFL news that 535 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: true football fanatics need twenty four to seven, three sixty 536 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: five and I Cousin Subs. We have something for everyone 537 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: like our Wisconsin cheese kurds, mac and cheese, golden fries, 538 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: and creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite sub or 539 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: sub in a bowl. Cousin Subs fifty plus years of better. 540 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 2: Hey, I want to close on one. Well, we'll get 541 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: to all the other games quick, but I want to 542 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: close this discussion on the lines. Though, I will say this, 543 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: I'm a huge pro wrestling Mark kind of mention it 544 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: there with the whole Tucker Craft thing. I love the 545 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: rivalry of this thing, though, I do. Oh yeah, the 546 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: packers and lines. And I said this with a couple 547 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: of my comments on Twitter and on inbox the last 548 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: few days, like this is as cool and as real 549 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 2: and as true of a rivalry as I've felt during 550 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: my time you were there NFC Championship game in twenty ten, 551 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 2: I was, and I don't know what that felt like 552 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: with you know, Jay Cutler and all that. By the 553 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: time I started coming the team, Jay was sort of 554 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: already on the other end of that. But I mean, yeah, 555 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: it was competitive with the Vikings for a few years, 556 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: and there's these moments there, But in terms of just 557 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: the perennialness of this, it feels like this is something 558 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: that's going to go on for years. And I love 559 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: that because I think that's when football's at its best. 560 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: Pro wrestling sells its storylines based on the feelings that 561 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: it is evoking, and I feel like, especially in my 562 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 2: own personality, there's plenty of feelings that I feel right 563 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: now between the Scream Band Detroit thing. So we'll see 564 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: whether or not they see him again this season, but 565 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 2: if they do, it's gonna be a boat look fun. 566 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I hope, and we're not going to get 567 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves, but I hope. We're doing a show 568 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: previewing Round three of Packers Lions in the twenty twenty 569 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: four slash twenty five season. Where things stand right now 570 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: in the NFC North Detroit is twelve and one, Minnesota 571 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: is eleven and two. Green Bay is nine and four. 572 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: As we talked about last week, losing this game takes 573 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: the division out of the picture. For green Bay, it 574 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: is now wildcard or bust. The good news is the 575 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: Packers are in very good position to get a wild card. 576 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: It would appear that if they were at nine and 577 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: four right now, if they can get to eleven wins, 578 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: they will almost one hundred percent assuredly be in the playoffs, 579 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: and they may be able to get there depending on 580 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: how some other things fall. They may be able to 581 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: get there with ten wins, and they will be going 582 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: for their tenth win this weekend out in Seattle, yet 583 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: another primetime game Sunday Night Football, and Seattle was certainly 584 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: involved in one of the more significant results in the NFL. 585 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: From Week fourteen. They went on the road. Two weeks 586 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: after beating Arizona in Seattle, they went on the road 587 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: to Arizona for the rematch against their division rival and 588 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: they beat them again. So that is now four straight 589 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: wins for the Seattle Seahawks. They are sitting atop the 590 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: NFC West, a division that was kind of a big 591 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: muddled mess there for a while. Now has a clear 592 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: front runner, and it is the Seattle Seahawks, and that 593 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: is the Packer's opponent. We'll get into them a little 594 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: bit more on our next show. But the way things 595 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: are shaping up, you know, the Packers are in tremendously 596 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: good position to get a wild card spot and to 597 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: try to make another run at this thing like they 598 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: did last season. 599 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, very much so. In a win over the Seattle 600 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: Seahawks on Sunday Night football go a long way into 601 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: achieving that. What I found interesting about the game that 602 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 2: the Seahawks played against the Cardinals, because it was their 603 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: second time facing Theme in three weeks, it was a 604 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: different recipe for how they won this thing. They don't 605 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: have Kenneth Walker the third, so Zach Charbonnet has to 606 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: go in there. He's played a little bit this season. 607 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: Balls out probably their best rushing performance this season. This 608 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: is not a great running football team. One of the 609 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: things the points I'm making an insider inbox for Wednesday 610 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: is that in this shift to Gino Smith and obviously 611 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: Pete Carroll's no longer there, but they've changed the complete 612 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: chemistry of their offense. It went from a very run heavy. 613 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: This team's every year with Russell Wilson is gonna be 614 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: a top five rushing offense to like their twenty seventh 615 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: or twenty eighth in the NFL. And they are passing 616 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: at nauseum. Now, some of that's because of the games 617 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: in which they're playing, but that's also kind of the 618 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: way that Geno Smith plays this game though illustrated one 619 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: what happens when Gino doesn't throw an interception. They won 620 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: the takeaways and they were able to establish the run. 621 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: A lot of lessons Green Bay is going to be 622 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: able to learn from that going into this matchup. But 623 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: four game winning streak Now for Seattle, a division where 624 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: they were looking for somebody to sort of claw up 625 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: to the top of this heap, it's them and it 626 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: looks like the Rams are right behind him. Now, So yeah, 627 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: I have an impressive win. And I mean talk about 628 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: a tone setter within your division to be able to 629 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: knock back Arizona, knock them out of the lead, and 630 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: then have them, you know, really push them down a 631 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: little bit in a matter of three weeks. Yeah, that 632 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: was a big momentum changer here for the Seahawks. 633 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyler Murray a few weeks ago in Seattle, was 634 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: only able to put six points on the board and 635 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: threw a killer pick six in that game that allowed 636 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: Seattle to win the first one, and then he threw 637 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 1: two just terrible interceptions in the first quarter of the 638 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: rematch that the Seahawks turned both of those into touchdowns, 639 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: built a multi score lead, and pretty much kept it 640 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: there the rest of the way. So you look at 641 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: just how the Seahawks have have beaten the Cardinals twice 642 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: in the last three weeks, it's because of it's because 643 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: of the turnovers, the opposing quarter back, and certainly Jordan 644 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: Love has done a much better job taking care of 645 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: the football lately. The fumble we talked about with Christian 646 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: Wattson was that's the Packers only giveaway only turnover offensively 647 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: in the last three games, really three and a half games. 648 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: Going back, you go back to the first half in Chicago, 649 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: the interception down by the goal line. The Packers had 650 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: gone a long stretch without turning the ball over, so 651 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: that will matter as well. Before we go, just your 652 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: thoughts quickly. You mentioned the Rams forty four to forty two, 653 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: highest scoring game in the NFL this year. They pull 654 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: it out over the Buffalo Bills to keep the Rams 655 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: very much in the playoff hunt at this point. And 656 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the end of that game, 657 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what in the world Buffalo is thinking 658 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: when you're on the one yard line and you have 659 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: all three of your timeouts to potentially take on defense 660 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: with you, and you call a quarterback sneak, which then 661 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: fails and you have to burn your one time out, 662 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: which then puts the game entirely on the on sidekick 663 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: instead of giving your defense a chance to actually give 664 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: you one more shot. I don't even know what, because 665 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: what would possess anybody in that situation to call a 666 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: quarterback sneak or even yeah, or even just burning the 667 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: first time out because the quarterback sneak feels you're better 668 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: off hurrying up, spiking the ball and be having third 669 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: and goal on the one rather than burning the timeout 670 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: that you burn. It was such a it was such 671 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: a complete cluster of how they managed the clock at 672 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: the end of that game to they just they they 673 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: had a chance to pull off an amazing comeback and 674 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: they blew it because of clock management. It was it 675 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: was it was disappointing. I I enjoy watching the Buffalo Bills. 676 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: I enjoy watching Josh Allen, and I was really hoping 677 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: they might be able to pull that one out. 678 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: One the Bills are dead to me now. I was 679 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 2: kind of pulling for them for a while, and then 680 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: they go and muddle this up against the Rams, which 681 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: could have really helped out with green Bays playoff chance. 682 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: I think it was this game alone that actually made 683 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: Bay's wild card chances go from ninety nine to ninety 684 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: eight percent. Hey, listen, two things Buffalo forgot how they 685 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: beat the forty nine ers in this game. Like it's 686 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: like they go completely away from the run, they fall 687 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: behind early, they're passing, and then at that very minute, 688 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: it seems like they always fall into this trap where 689 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: they forget that Josh Allen. Yes he can run, and 690 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 2: yes he can score touchdowns with his feet, but he 691 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 2: is a quarterback and he's probably one of the top 692 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: three guys in the NFL, and they just resort to 693 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: these type of things. Well, he's you know, to under 694 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: and however many pounds he's going to get himself in, 695 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 2: he doesn't. And you know, they I thought they, you know, 696 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 2: maybe it's the wake up call they needed kind of 697 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: like I felt like in some ways, you know, Kansas 698 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 2: City a couple of weeks ago had a wake up 699 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: call they needed. But the fact of the matter is 700 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 2: is that the Rams and what they did in this game. 701 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 2: I thought, Matthew Stafford, this is probably his best game 702 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: of the season. Poka Nakua. They're using him in different ways. 703 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: Now, that was a monster game by Nikua. 704 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah he was, he was. 705 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: When he's right, the guy is just said an egamic 706 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: football playeres. He completely changes the complexion of that Rams offense, 707 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: which of course the Packers did not see that when 708 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: Green Bay played La because both Nikoua and Cup were 709 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: out of the game, were injured and not playing in 710 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: that game. But but yeah, it'd be interesting to see 711 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: now what the Rams do with this, because everybody is saying, now, 712 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: you know, they put up forty four points, like, oh, 713 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: the Rams are danger. Nobody seems to be talking about 714 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: the fact that the Rams just gave up forty two. Yes, 715 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: for sure, So how much does that make you a 716 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: legitimate playoff. 717 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 2: Because I don't know. 718 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: I think the worst Defasius Stafford has been there and 719 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: done that. They have a lot of weapons on offense, 720 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: can their defense actually put together the run that they 721 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: need to get a playoff spot here we'll see. 722 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, at very least it's going to 723 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 2: keep things interesting in the NFC West. A lot of 724 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: those matchups are in the balance, hovering in the balance. 725 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: Rams are just trying to get to the final game 726 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: of the season, one game back of the Seahawks because 727 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: then they play Seattle in Week eighteen and they essentially 728 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: steal the division there by by beating them to sweep 729 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: them and get the tie and then they would win 730 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: the tie breaker based on the sweep. So the Rams 731 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: are trying to stay one game back of the Seahawks. 732 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: So Rams fans are big Packers fans this week, quite frankly, 733 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: because they'd like to see the Packers knock off the Seahawks. 734 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: Last two things really quick. Yeah. San Francisco ran the 735 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: Bears out of the building Bears head. 736 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 737 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 2: Total yards of offense in the first. 738 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: Half, Yeah, first half total yards I believe was three 739 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen to four. 740 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Another reminder, I just want to say this. I 741 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 2: was talking to some people in the locker room about 742 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 2: this on Monday. I get the people were not high 743 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 2: on Matt Eberflus. I understand what happened, but putting your 744 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 2: passive game coordinator in making him the interim offensive coordinator 745 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: and then making him the interim head coach might not 746 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 2: be the best recipe for having success. That's a tough 747 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 2: echelon to climb in like four weeks. But then I 748 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 2: want to close on this. Kansas City is the final boss. 749 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: No matter what, Kansas City is the final boss. You 750 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 2: think you got him, you don't got them. You don't 751 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 2: got them. 752 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: They are They are somehow, some way going to win 753 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: the game, including their third kicker of the season clanking 754 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 1: a chip shot off the upright but bank shot, bank 755 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: shot with the correct angle and it goes in, and 756 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs win yet another game, and which 757 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: was huge because they now have it because of the 758 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: Buffalo loss. Yeah, Kansas City now has a two game 759 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: cushion with four games to go to get the number 760 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: one seed and the buy in the AFC of position 761 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: that the Buffalo Bills and the Pittsburgh Steelers were hoping 762 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: to push for. But now both of those clubs are 763 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: two games back with four to go because of the 764 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: bank shot. 765 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 2: I love to the fact that you're talking about teams 766 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 2: being two big games behind. Denver now holds a two 767 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 2: game advantage over Indianapolis and Miami for this number seven 768 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: seed in the playoffs. Yeah, with a month left to play, 769 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 2: things can still change. But there are six teams that 770 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 2: have been eliminated from playoff contention in the AFC. What 771 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: is there two in the or there's yeah, there's there's one. 772 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 2: The Giants are eliminated in the NFC. That's it. 773 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: Well, and you talk about you talk about Miami. They 774 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: they basically barely stayed alive by by winning in overtime 775 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: against the Jets, a big field goal at the end 776 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: of regulation and then they drive, They get the opening 777 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 1: drive of the overtime, go down and get a touchdown, 778 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers doesn't get the ball back and and Miami 779 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: State Miami stays within shouting distance of that final wildcard 780 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: spot in the AFC. 781 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 2: Everyone chasing bo Nix. 782 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: Buckle up, folks, these last what a week that was? 783 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: That are going to be fun. We've gone way overtime 784 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: today and apologies to our producer Zach, but we know 785 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: if he'll deal with it. 786 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 2: Only did one show last week. We had a lot 787 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 2: to get off our chest. 788 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: That's true, but I do also have to say that, 789 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm of The twenty twenty five NFL Draft 790 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: is right here in Green Bay April twenty four through 791 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: April twenty six of twenty twenty five. Visit green Bay 792 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: dot com slash Draft twenty five for more information, and 793 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: with that we'll call it a rap on this edition 794 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: a Packers Unscripted. I'm sure to follow all of our 795 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: coverage of the team on Packers dot com for Westside Mike. 796 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in, everybody, and we will see 797 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: you next time.