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Speaker 1: Ron An Aian. There's got to be consistency in order

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Speaker 1: to repair. Also, you know most things can be predicted three, six, eight,

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Speaker 1: ten months in advance. Hey, we know you're gonna need

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Speaker 1: tires next year. We know you're gonna need breaks next year.

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Speaker 1: The opnator that drops that on Tuesday, Yeah, nobody could

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Speaker 1: predict that.

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Speaker 2: Is not.

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Speaker 1: Staking bus driver scene. See the car Doctor.

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Speaker 3: It's been like in a high fifties sixties.

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Speaker 2: I said, you don't you feel it cold?

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Speaker 4: But you can't really gauze.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's not enough. There's no heat load on the system.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the radio home of ron An Aian, the

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Speaker 5: Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 5: This is where car owners the world overturned to for

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Speaker 5: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving

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Speaker 5: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in.

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Speaker 1: The garage doors are open. I am here to take

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Speaker 1: your calls at eight five five, five six hundred and

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Speaker 1: now running well, we get another week of challenging motor

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Speaker 1: repair questions at eight five five five six zero nine

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Speaker 1: nine zero zero. But that's okay. I'm here to work

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Speaker 1: and get started. So let's dive right into a dan

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Speaker 1: in Connecticut waiting nevery patiently, sir, how can I help

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Speaker 1: you in your ninety six buick.

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Speaker 2: Ahi, Ron, Yes, I have no no rare brake lights,

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Speaker 2: just the one that's out in the windshield, the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the windshield.

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Speaker 1: Okay, at the bottom of the back wind at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the back window. You mean, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: And the hazard lights don't work all right.

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Speaker 1: But but but that third break light works. That that

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Speaker 1: middle that third break what was traditionally call a third

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Speaker 1: or high mounted stop lamp, that works.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: So if that works, then the brake light switch is

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Speaker 1: working because it's triggered directly off the brake light switch.

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Speaker 1: What happens is that the break lights switch at the

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Speaker 1: base of the pedal. There's an orange in a white wire.

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Speaker 1: The orange is hot coming from the fuse, and then

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Speaker 1: the wipe comes out and it branches off. It goes

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Speaker 1: off into a stop lamp. The stop lamp circuit down

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Speaker 1: to the turn signal, and then it goes to the

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Speaker 1: third brake light itself. So if the third brake light

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Speaker 1: is working, then we know that the stop lamp switch

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Speaker 1: is functional. Okay, what parts have you changed already. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask that question.

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Speaker 2: Just the bults, all the bulbs, Okay, So I have

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Speaker 2: my mechanic look at it, and he didn't really want

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Speaker 2: to work on it. He said, he thinks it's a

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Speaker 2: turn signal switch.

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Speaker 1: Probably is, which.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about that. That's not the

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Speaker 2: multifunction switch, is it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the one that the turn signals are on. Well,

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Speaker 1: the multifunction switch. Let's not get confused. The multifunction switch

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Speaker 1: you're talking about in reference to what turns the wipers on? Correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of those work.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, because because that multifunction switch, or that lever,

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Speaker 1: let me call it a lever. That lever, if you notice,

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Speaker 1: has a wire coming off the bottom of it, and

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Speaker 1: then disappears down into the column. Right, that's got a

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Speaker 1: separate all the all the turn signal switch does is

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Speaker 1: hold that lever. All right. You could, you could, you

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Speaker 1: could take that lever out, You could pop that lever out,

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Speaker 1: the turn signals if you follow what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 1: you know when they call it. When they call it

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Speaker 1: a multifunction switch, that is a separate switch in function

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Speaker 1: and form and fit from the turn signal switch. It

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Speaker 1: all right, So yeah, don't don't get the two confused

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Speaker 1: going into the turn signal switch. What GM did was

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Speaker 1: they came out of the stop lamb fuse. They ran

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Speaker 1: The four door cars. There was a few of those built.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to find the part. It's hard to find

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Speaker 1: Do I have hot there? Do I have power there?

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Speaker 1: If I don't, I've got a bad turn signal switch.

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Speaker 1: It's just that it's just that simple. It's not really

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Speaker 1: the high mounted stop lamp is working, yeah, tells me

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Speaker 1: nineties they love to do this, Do I have a PID?

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Speaker 1: Do I have a data piece on the scan tool

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Speaker 1: for stomp lamp switch on off? And it'll change when

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Speaker 1: you step the step on the brake pedal Because the

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Speaker 1: computer needed to see brake light operation to kick the

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Speaker 1: car have cruise control?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Does it work?

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Speaker 2: I never I never used it.

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Speaker 1: Try it it, take it out for a ride. If

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Speaker 1: the cruise control works and you step on the brake

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Speaker 1: That's another way you could test it. Because they looked

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Speaker 1: to keep going. But it sounds like to me, for

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Speaker 1: my money, you've got a bed turn signal switch. Now

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Speaker 1: you've got to find one, you know.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's the that's the multi function one you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: No, that's the one inside. That's the one inside the column. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's the piece inside with the long wiring harness. It's

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Speaker 1: going to run down to the base of the column,

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Speaker 1: all right, Different different companies will make that. The first

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Speaker 1: Motor Products s MP. S MP made those switches back

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Speaker 1: to do with it, because how many ninety six Buick

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Speaker 1: Rivieras are left right. Yeah, so great, great cars, fun

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Speaker 1: you could, you could probably go online Google search Standard

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Speaker 1: Motor Products and I bet they've got an online catalog.

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Speaker 1: I bet you could even look it up online and

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Speaker 1: see what the partnermber is. So at least you know

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, all right, yep, yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're very welcome, sir. You have a great rest of

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Speaker 1: the day. Let's go over to Let's go over to

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Speaker 1: Walter in Pennsylvania. Walter, you're up ron an Indian at

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Speaker 1: your service? How can I help? Yes, sir, Yeah, So.

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Speaker 6: I have a twenty twelve RAM with a HEMY five

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Speaker 6: point seven. In October. This passed October, the EVAP check

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Speaker 6: engine light system came on code zero four four one.

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Speaker 6: I replaced the gas cab, and I replaced the vapor

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Speaker 6: EVAPP emission system.

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Speaker 1: Leak of affortive system integrity monitor right right, the little

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Speaker 1: white the little white and black piece that's bolted to

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Speaker 1: the side of the charcoal canister.

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Speaker 6: Right, and so the light turned off and last week

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Speaker 6: think the light turned on again. Okay, should I replace

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Speaker 6: all these things again.

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Speaker 1: No, you should get it diagnosed, all right. So so

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Speaker 1: so let's let's talk about this for a second. You

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Speaker 1: changed the purge valve right, the piece up front, correct? Okay? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you called it a canister.

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Speaker 6: Well, no, there's two things. And also the evappumission leak

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Speaker 6: detection uh thing it has it's underneath the car.

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Speaker 1: Right, Where's where's them mounted? Them is mounted on the canister.

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Speaker 6: The vapor cannister is under the hood. It's like kind

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Speaker 6: of the driver's side fender.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that's and that's where them is mounted. Correct.

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just trying to make sure we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the same pieces that has.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that has two lines to it and then an

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Speaker 6: electrical line, right, and then the one underneath it only

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Speaker 6: has like an electrical sensor and a thick washer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so here let me I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you understand how evapp works, walt or what it does?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I know I've read the very finicky with these

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Speaker 1: Well, the the the ESUM system that ESOM monitor. What

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Speaker 1: happens is when you shut the vehicle off, it counts

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Speaker 1: on a very very very very very very small change

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Speaker 1: in fuel pressure, vapor pressure, pushing the pushing the switch

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Speaker 1: over to close, to show that the system has integrity.

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Speaker 1: You've ever been to a small town carnival and you

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Speaker 1: got the little skinny guy with the the that rings

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Speaker 1: and the bell goes right. Yes, that thing. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of what an m is, all right, it's it's gotta have.

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Speaker 1: It's got to have system integrity. A leak in the

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Speaker 1: will cause that system to fail.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 1: So so being what this is, if we can't test it,

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Speaker 1: and the way I would test it is I would

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Speaker 1: put this vehicle into it's evaporative state where I would

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Speaker 1: run it, run the monitor, and then it will it

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Speaker 1: will show me that the system is in a vapor state,

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Speaker 1: closing the bell, and then I can count how long

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Speaker 1: it takes before the signal degrades. All right. The other

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Speaker 1: way I'm going to do it is using a smoke machine,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to be I'm gonna be I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be gingerly with my smoke, because smoke can create

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Speaker 1: enough pressure to overcome some of these and actually never

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Speaker 1: find the leak. The other thing I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: is you have black plastic, hard plastic tubing rubber elbows

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Speaker 1: under the hood right for the EVAP system. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you go around very gently and very gently try do

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Speaker 1: they twist? If they twist, that's movement. If they've got movement,

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Speaker 1: that's a leak. Brother, all right. And there was actually

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Speaker 1: a few bulletins from Chrysler talking about replacing the tube

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Speaker 1: The other thing you could do is do you own

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Speaker 1: Okay, I tell you what. Stay on the line a minute,

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Speaker 1: Done right? Eight five five five six zero nine nine

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Speaker 1: it's got a big fat hose, right, used the used

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's probably like a quarter yeah.

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Speaker 1: Quarter turn Okay, all right, just to make sure we're

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Speaker 1: The front door is the purge valve. The purge valve

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Speaker 6: Uh, driver's side fender.

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Speaker 1: Driver's side fender. So so the so the canister and

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Speaker 1: the purge valve has two vacuum lines going to it, right,

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Speaker 1: if you electrically disconnect the purge valve, all right, A

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Speaker 1: If you disconnect it, that valve is closed. The front

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Speaker 1: So same thing with this so one of those two vacuum,

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Speaker 1: The valve is the valve is mechanically closed, right, it

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Speaker 6: Well, that.

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Speaker 1: Well should read zero, okay, right, because it's mechanically closed.

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Speaker 1: All right. I'm pushing I'm pushing your envelope today, buddy.

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Speaker 1: and it's got engine vacuum being applied to it. Right,

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Speaker 1: we should not see vacuum on the other side. And

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Speaker 1: What I'm doing is I'm trying to teach you to

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Speaker 1: So know that, know that going in, all right, If

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Speaker 1: Take it off the list, all right, Go and check.

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't take much. You'll see you'll start to

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Speaker 1: all right, Now, don't don't hercules this all right, you

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Speaker 1: know I'll prove it's bad. You know, No, this is

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Speaker 1: this is this is about being gentle, all right, because

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Speaker 1: hard to find, right, all right? If if I find

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Speaker 1: You don't have a smoke machine. I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: you through this. You know, my choice is do I

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Speaker 1: have a bad new ESM. It's possible. It's it's easy

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Speaker 1: to try a second one. They're cheap enough. I would

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Speaker 1: On it, right. Sometimes the O ring falls out of

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Speaker 1: thing you could try is, you know, a dab of

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Speaker 1: ring and then put the esum on just enough to

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Speaker 1: give a little suppleness to the nipple so that it

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Speaker 1: things for you to try, Walter, you need more. You

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Speaker 1: know where I am eight five five five six zero

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Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. And where are we

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Speaker 1: going now? Let's go to Don and Iowa waiting a

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Speaker 1: very patiently two thousand Chevy Blazer. God, Don, I remember

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Speaker 1: these vehicles. You might have the last one left in America.

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Speaker 1: How many miles you go? This thing?

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Speaker 3: It's got two hundred and fifteen thousand on it. Wow?

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Speaker 1: So and the frame hasn't rusted out yet. I'm not

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Speaker 1: and they were great vehicles. I love them. They were

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Speaker 1: just so much fun. They're the right size. There's a

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Speaker 3: The age, yes, but what I'm doing it's exactly the

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Speaker 3: right size. And it's got the ear shift on the

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, I get you. What's going on with.

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Speaker 3: This thing, Well, it's laying down on me. By that,

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Speaker 3: I mean about about an hour and a half out

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Speaker 3: at about fifty mile an hour, you look over here

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Speaker 3: the engines are having about four grand and find if

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Speaker 3: and it keeps getting worse to eventually it'll just it'll

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Speaker 3: just kill off, kill right off on you kill off.

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Speaker 1: When you say kill off down, do you mean that.

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Speaker 3: The truck it's engine will shut down.

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Speaker 1: It'll shut off. Yes, okay.

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Speaker 3: And then if you it said about five minutes, well

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Speaker 3: a lot of times that happened. It'll get do that.

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Speaker 3: About time I get back into the into the town.

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Speaker 3: and that's about the midway point. Then I reshuffle my load,

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Speaker 1: You, okay, and any any diagnostics or any testing been

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, as a matter of fact, it did this

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Speaker 3: So he got in with a scan tool and anyhow

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Speaker 3: your oxygen senses don't look right. He said, God, I'd

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Speaker 3: never seen oxygen says to made or run this bad.

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Speaker 1: Either for the fact of it right, And what did

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Speaker 3: Well, he was busy then. But then I got essentially

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Speaker 3: I had it up there yesterday and he put two

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Speaker 3: anyhow he did that. And then also, oh, the friday

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Speaker 3: these things. He said that you could do yourself, which

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Speaker 3: I could. It was a ten minute It was a

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Speaker 3: ten minute and one hundred dollars later type deal. And

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Speaker 3: he didn't do a thing for it. And also he

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Speaker 3: like the idle air controller. He cleaned that up.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm curious about is you're not mentioning fuel pressure.

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Speaker 3: H He checked that fuel pressure and it was good.

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Speaker 3: He was up like fifty or better, you know.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, hang on a second now, he checked it

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Speaker 1: when the vehicle was running. Okay, correct, No, it.

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Speaker 3: Was running terrible that day a week ago, all right,

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Speaker 3: and what was fuel pressure? Oh, I don't I just

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Speaker 3: he stabbed the gauge on. I know it was fifty

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Speaker 3: to fifty five right in there.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well let me let me let me say

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Speaker 3: Oh the spider yes, yeah, oh. I had him replace

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Speaker 3: at him about six weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, fifty five the speck is a minimum of

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Speaker 1: fifty six at fifty at fifty five, this truck won't run,

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Speaker 1: it'll run.

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Speaker 3: It'll see that. You know I'm standing off the side,

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Speaker 3: but he looked right.

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Speaker 1: Listen. My My point is, I want to be exact

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Speaker 1: about fuel pressure because if it's if it's at fifty

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Speaker 1: five and the minimum accepted value is fifty six, If

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Speaker 1: my fuel pressure gaue's been dropped a few times and

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Speaker 1: it's off by three percent, guess what that fifty six

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Speaker 1: is really fifty three? And now I've got a problem.

435
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: So I want to know what. I want to know

436
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: what real fuel pressure is. Yeah, I get it, I

437
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: get it. But it was running badly, you.

438
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 3: Said, Okay, well last about August, I had to put

439
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 3: a new fuel pump in it.

440
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: Okay, what's fuel pressure? Don't assume, don't assume I know. Listen,

441
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: I know you're you're looking for a silver bullet. Second

442
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: time I'm saying that this week, I want to know what.

443
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: I want to know what real fuel pressure is when

444
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: the problem's happening. The other thing, the other thing I

445
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: want to know is I want to go and look

446
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: at I want to go and look at fuel trim.

447
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: I want to know where fuel trim is Is it

448
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: running lean? Is it running rich? All right, if it's

449
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: if it's really running bed, if it's shaking like a

450
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: rough idol, okay, and we think it's e g R,

451
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: where's the EGR position? You can read all this with

452
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: a scan tool. And I'm not saying I'm not saying

453
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 1: nobody has. I'm just saying, we've got to go through this,

454
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, system by system, step by step, all right,

455
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: older vehicle, higher mileage. We've been throwing parts at it,

456
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: throwing parts at something and not thinking on my soapbox,

457
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 1: because that's not what you're here for. Throwing parts at

458
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: something may not fix anything. It may inject a new

459
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: problem into the problem, because there's no rule that new

460
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: means good. I can't tell you how many fans I've

461
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: seen that in fifty three years of fixing cars.

462
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 3: Yes, never ever worry.

463
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: Then you know the story. So I want to know

464
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: what fuel pressure is. I want to know that it's right,

465
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: all right. I want to know that I don't have

466
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: an issue now, you know, let's get past fuel pressure.

467
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: Let's get past looking at fuel trim. The next place

468
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to go is, you know, at the time

469
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: of failure, if I take it out on the road

470
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: with a vacuum gauge hooked up. What does the vacuum

471
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: gauge say? And this vehicle, I believe in two thousand

472
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: has a map sensor. What's my map sensor reading mass airflow? Thing?

473
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 1: And well I think, I think. Don't hold me to this,

474
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: but I thought this had a mass airflow and a map.

475
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: I believe they did both.

476
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: All right, the map is that that little one right

477
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: ahead of the mass airflow one?

478
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: No, that's that's the intake air timp Okay, yeah.

479
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what he said.

480
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 6: It was right.

481
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: No, I changed that mass airflow about a year ago. Okay,

482
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: Well that that curriage it was doing about the same thing.

483
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: Okay, well that curriage. Well, you know again at the

484
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: point of failure. Has anybody done a full range test

485
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: on the mass airflow sensor?

486
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 3: Well no, but what I did. I've got a I

487
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: had a ninety six and the mechanic that was my neighbor,

488
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: he said, Well he looked it up. He said, to

489
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: that ninety six there has got the same same part number.

490
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: So I switched it in and that that secured it

491
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 3: so that I went and bought a new one.

492
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: Right, you know, has anybody tested the new one.

493
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: No, okay, I put I put the other one back

494
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: in again, and it didn't make a bit of difference.

495
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: Right, But you are missing my point. You're you're telling

496
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: me a year ago you changed the mass airflow. Here

497
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: you are a year later, or has this problem been

498
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: going on for a year?

499
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 3: Well, I I was about a year ago. I changed

500
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: that mass airport.

501
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: When you changed the mass airflow a year ago? Did

502
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: it fix the truck? Well, it's a yes or no answer,

503
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: it's a yes or no answer.

504
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, plus ago again I had that's I put

505
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: the used one out of my other blazer, right, that

506
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: cured it? Okay, Then I so I broke down and

507
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: bought a new one and put it in and put together,

508
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 3: you know, put the other one back in the other blazer.

509
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: So for a year, this truck's been running fine.

510
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: Oh no, oh, no, it's had other troubles, believe.

511
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: Me, right, but this particular problem has it been running?

512
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: It's been running okay.

513
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know the funny thing about this no matter

514
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: what's wrong with it, it always it always does the

515
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: same thing. It takes an hour and a half two

516
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: hours for any problem to you know, show itself.

517
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: So it's had this. It's had this dying off after

518
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: an hour, hour and a half of driving for the

519
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: past two years, is what you're telling me. And all

520
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: the parts that everybody's thrown at it, the parts canon

521
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: that's been sprayed at this vehicle hasn't fixed the thing.

522
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does fix it for a while, then something

523
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: else happens again.

524
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 1: And it's the same exact condition pretty much. I'll describe

525
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: it at the point of failure, all right. I want

526
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: to know what fuel pressure is at the point of failure.

527
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: I want to sweep test done to the mass airflow

528
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: sensor at the point of failure. I want to know

529
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: what manifold vacuum is. Anything I test in the bay

530
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: when the vehicle is running good. Anything I test in

531
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: the bay even if the vehicles running slightly rough is

532
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: an invalid test. I have to duplicate the condition. I'm sorry,

533
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: but that's just the way it works, you know, because listen,

534
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: this could be a corroded electrical connector that's affecting computer operation,

535
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: and you know, all you're doing is running around as

536
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: the thing cools off, put apart in something changes. Now

537
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: it works again, Now it doesn't You know, You're you're

538
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: throwing a parts cannon at this thing. And you haven't

539
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: hit that. You haven't hit the nail on the head yet.

540
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: Right, Well, when we could go, when I did, way,

541
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: he got in and he drew, he plugged in you know,

542
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: his scan tool, and we took off drive. But well, actually,

543
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: and I was writing shot and I said, here you play,

544
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: I said, I'll steer you just well, look at your

545
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: scan tool, you know.

546
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: Well you're looking at you're looking at or looking.

547
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: At you boy, he's looking at the scan right.

548
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Well, somebody's looking for somebody is looking for the ability

549
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: to look at this and determine sensor values, sensor conditions

550
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: and what's going on. Go back and do those things

551
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: I talked about. Don come back to me with some

552
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: more information and then we can talk further. Eight five

553
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: five five six zero nine nine zero zero run eading

554
00:28:46,160 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: of the car doctor back right after this, let's uh,

555
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: let's go over and talk to David and Maine. David

556
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: Rong with Ronanny and the card doctor. How can I help?

557
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 4: Well, Ron, I have a situation with my car not

558
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: charging good, and I forget you would be the man

559
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: that would be able to tell me how.

560
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: To fix it, all right, let's see what you got.

561
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: It's a two thousand and six Buick Concern, right, and

562
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 4: you know, with a good battery and it charged, it

563
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 4: would uh sometimes not have enough juice to start it right,

564
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 4: And so typically I replaced the alternator and had another,

565
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: you know, the same problem. Right the next time, I

566
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: bought a new one, and a while later, a couple

567
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: of months later, that that went bad. So I figured

568
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: that was the problem. So I'm on my fourth alternator now.

569
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 4: But I've had it tested and the alternator seems to

570
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 4: be working right according to the scan tool, and the

571
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: battery seemed to be accurate. So there's something causing the

572
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 4: problem where it won't hold the charge on the battery,

573
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: and I can't figure it out.

574
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: Therefore, you ever, you ever ever get you ever get

575
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: an excessively high water bill at your house? David? No, No, really,

576
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: in all in all, in all your years, you've never

577
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: had a You've never had a case where the toilet

578
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: runs and it just doesn't seal. Yeah, yeah, And what

579
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: do you do? You go jiggle the handle and you

580
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: get the little rubber flap to seal inside the tank

581
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: and stops the water from leaking by right, right, right, well,

582
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: so you know, cars are kind of the same way,

583
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: not that they're a toilet, but it's you've got you've

584
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: got an electrical drain pulling the battery down. From the

585
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: sounds of it, it's got nothing to do with the alternator.

586
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: The only connection to the alternator is that it's attached

587
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: to the same vehicle.

588
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: Okay.

589
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: So the definition of insanity is keep doing the same

590
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: thing hoping for the same result and it never happens.

591
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: So what you need to do here is have somebody

592
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: do an electrical draw test. Let me ask you this question.

593
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: If you start the car, how often do you start

594
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: the car? How often do you drive this vehicle daily? Okay,

595
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: so you're telling me you start this car every day

596
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: over a seven day period, and you could get to

597
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: the fifth or sixth day at random, and the battery

598
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: is dead, right, okay? So batteries how old?

599
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 4: Two years?

600
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: All right? What makes you think? Well, how do you

601
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: know the battery is dead? What do you do to

602
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: start it? Do you jump it? Do you charge it?

603
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: I've done both, okay, and both of them right away,

604
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: no questions asked. The minuy you touch the cables, everything

605
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: lights up and off at fires.

606
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes that happened. Sometimes I have to leave the

607
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: cables on it for four or five minutes before it'll.

608
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: Before you, before you hook up the cables, do you

609
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: happen to check battery voltage to see what it is

610
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: you have?

611
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: Haven't done that?

612
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: All right? I would like to know what that is?

613
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: All right? Just on the pretext. Do I really have

614
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: a dead battery? Do I have a bad connection at

615
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: the battery? Is that connection causing a resistance or contact

616
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: problem that makes this an intermittent?

617
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: All right?

618
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Listen, this is a fairly straightforward problem to solve. We've

619
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: we've got to have We've got to have a good battery,

620
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: good connections on the positive and negative side at the battery,

621
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: and at the starter and at the ground lug down

622
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: where the negative cable attaches to either the frame or

623
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: the engine block. All right, if all of those are good,

624
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: and test it, and I want them, I want I

625
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: want a voltage drop test done. Then we're gonna have

626
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: to do a draw test. And if you sit tight,

627
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: I'll come back in two minutes and I'll explain a

628
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: draw test to you. Don't go anywhere. I'm ronning any

629
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: and the car doctor we'll be back right after this, David,

630
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: you're still there, David, David, there you go. All right,

631
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: in two minutes or less, I'm gonna tell you need

632
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: to do an electrical draw test on this vehicle. All right.

633
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me. You're gonna tell me you don't

634
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: see any lights on, you don't see anything on, you

635
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: don't hear anything on, And I'm gonna tell you it

636
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. All right. Uh, you got a kitchen sink

637
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: in the house, Yeah, all right. If the water's off

638
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 1: and city water pressure is fifteen ps i, will make

639
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: it easy. It's twelve psi. What's the water pressure in

640
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: the kitchen sink with the faucet off?

641
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: Hopefully twelve?

642
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: Hopefully twelve? Well, well, no, no, behind that shut off valve,

643
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: do you have twelve psi?

644
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

645
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: Okay. That battery that sits in the car, nothing's on.

646
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: It's a twelve old battery. It's actually twelve and a half,

647
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: but for the sake of this conversation, we'll make it twelve.

648
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: All right, nothing's on. What's what's the voltage at that battery? Twelve? Right,

649
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: voltage and pressure are the same. It's always there. It's

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Speaker 1: a constant Okay. If you open up the faucet and

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Speaker 1: you fill an eight ounce cup in thirty seconds, we

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Speaker 1: figure it out. That's x amount of volume. Right. If

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Speaker 1: a bulb comes on and it draws out of that battery,

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Speaker 1: it's x amount of volume. Somebody needs to do a

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Speaker 1: draw test. It's done by hooking up a digital vault

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Speaker 1: homemeter and millim draw test. That system can have more

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Speaker 1: than fifty millims of draw after a one hour time

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Speaker 1: period of sitting down and waiting, do a draw test

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Speaker 1: to that vehicle. Come back and tell me what you find.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk some more. I'm running any in the card

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Speaker 1: doctor until the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.

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Speaker 1: See you