1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast. 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: My guest today is actor, producer, activists Noah Tishbi, author 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: of the book Israel, A Simple Guide to the Most 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: Misunderstood Country on Earth. What's the number one thing people 5 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: misunderstand about Israel? Oh? God, how long do we have? 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: A lot? A lot? I think one of the things 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: that I found so disturbing, and one of the reasons 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: that I wanted to write this book and do the 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 1: work that I do, is because people have started to 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: paint Israel as the big bad wolf of the entire universe, 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: and I, as a liberal, as somebody that's been an 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: entainment industry of my mentire life is somebody that's been involved, 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: my family has been involved in the establishment of the 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: country for many generations that was highly bothered by that. 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: So I don't know if there's one thing, but I'll 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: give you, you know, ethnic cleansing, genocide, country, apartheid state, 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: I'll give you all of those as as one of 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: those things that a lot of people perceive as truths, 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: which are not at all. Okay, we're jumping, We're literally 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: jumping right in. Are we Your audience have no idea 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: who I am. But you know, I thought about that, 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: but this is the way we're doing it, So speak 23 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: to genocide, this is okay. The answer to that is 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: so simple that it's almost comical, because if you say 25 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: that to do ethnic cleansing, to do to create genocide, 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: you have to have numbers that actually are reduced, right, 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: And if you look at the numbers at the establishment 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: of the state in nineteen forty eight, or about one 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand Arab Israeli Palestinian citizens of the 30 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: State of Israel, now there's two point one millions. So 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: if you think of it as like a genocide, it's 32 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: literally the worst genocide in the history of the world. 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: That is. That is one of the things that infuriates 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: me the most, because there's there's no it's almost it's 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: almost upsetting to even start with this because of how 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: not true this is and how much I've had to 37 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: fight against this. And the thing is that this is more. 38 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: It's more. These things are more than just misunderstanding. There 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: are actual national security for America's best ally in the region, 40 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: for the single consistent democracy, and the entire at least 41 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: for the only country the charis of values the only country. 42 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: But it's not a perfect country. There are no such 43 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: thing as a perfect country. But what's been happening specifically, 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: sadly around what I call polite circles, is this demonization 45 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: of one state and that it just happens to be Jewish. 46 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: So so my home's homeland. So I took it personally. 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: I took it very personally. And you know, look, we're 48 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: both both based in La And there's a story that 49 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: I tell in my book that's kind of like the 50 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: funny version of it, right, the funny version of like 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Israel's and the cleansing Street. Okay, the fight version is 52 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: I was, it was just when I moved to LA, 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: I was in my early twenties. I was, you know, 54 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: roaming around kind of like in Aprove. Okay, this is 55 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: going to come up later. I don't want to have 56 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: to get your exact age, even though someone could just 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: look it up at Wikipedia. But how many years ago 58 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: did you move to the US? Over twenty years ago? 59 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Over twenty years ago? Started coming back and forth, Okay, 60 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: and I there's this girl that we were hanging out with, 61 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: and she was already famous, she was already very well known. 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: She turned she ended up being one of the most 63 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: famous actresses in the world. Every single one of the 64 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: audience knows who she is. If you're read between ages 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: of twelve and ninety, you know, you know who she is. 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: She was lovely and she came up to me one 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: day and she asked me. She's like, oh, so I 68 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: heard you from Israel. I said, yeah, I am, and 69 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: she goes, so, how does your family feel about you? 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: And I was like, what what do you mean? And 71 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: she goes, you know that you're modern and everything, that 72 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: you don't wear all the head gear. And that was 73 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: when asking me about misunderstanding. That was the first time 74 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: that I realized that people have no idea about what 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: Israel is because this here was this woman who's young, 76 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: well educated, successful, well meaning, lovely, and she thinks Israel 77 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: Afghanistan like legit. So that was probably the first time 78 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: that I encounter that, and from then on it was 79 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: just over and over. Literally every week I would hear 80 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: somebody say something that is not true. I would have 81 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: to jump in and jump in again, jump in again, 82 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: until here we are it's what I do. Oh okay, 83 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: so you've been here twenty years, so you've seen the 84 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: rise of the BDS movement. You've seen this wave certainly 85 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: on the left of support of Palestinians. What do you 86 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: think is going on here? First of all, let me 87 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: just make one thing clear, and Prosraeli and pro Palestinian. 88 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: So this trying to create this it's false equivalency or 89 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: trying to create this this it's not they're not it's 90 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: not mutually it's not mutually exclusive, right, So you don't 91 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: have to be either pro Israeli or pro Palestinian. There's 92 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: not a single person that I know in Israel that's 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: against Palestinians. Okay, there are people on the French right 94 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: that are against Palestinians, but that's the slight that's not 95 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: a majority by any stretch of the imagination. Right, So, 96 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: first of all, it's not either war. The way that 97 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: it's perceived in those polite circles is that you're either 98 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: pro Israel or your pro Palestine. That is not true. 99 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: The question is the question what to be done is 100 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: not a question that I can obviously answer in a podcast. 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: But what's been going on in the past since since 102 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: we've identified this since two thousand and one, So this 103 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: kind of originated at the Durban Conference for Against Racism, 104 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: which turned out to be so anti Semitic that the 105 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: US and Israel pulled out. That was when the language 106 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: of to brand Israel an apartheid state was originated, and 107 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: this is where BDS kind of took their language from. 108 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: So the BDS movement, which is the boycott, divestment and 109 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: sanctions movement, is trying to portray Israel as South Africa. 110 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: So if you which is it's it's it's offensive to 111 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: South African, it's offensive to actual apartheid warriors, anti apartheid warriors. 112 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: So BDS movement is trying to create academic, financial, intellectual 113 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: boycott on the state of Israel completely. They're trying to 114 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: turn it into pariah state, and they're trying to, at 115 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: the end of the day, destroy Israel. So they're trying 116 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: to dismantle the only democracy in the release. And this 117 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: is one of those things that I'm not it's not 118 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: hyperbole and I'm not making this up. This is what 119 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: their leaders are saying. They're not afraid of it and 120 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: not ashamed of it. It's all out there. It's on 121 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: videos on the Internet for everyone to see. But what 122 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: they do and what they've done throughout the years. Is 123 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: they cloaked it in a very kind of sophisticated language. 124 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: So they'll show up, for example, on college campus. Okay, 125 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: they'll set a table on college campus, and on the 126 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: table they'll talk about justice and freedom. Right. They're not 127 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: going to sit at the table and say we are 128 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: here to destroy democracy. Please sign up, all right. So 129 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: they're literally trying to hide what it is that they 130 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: are about. But this is what they are about. No, 131 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: BDS movement is against peace. Abdias movement was against the 132 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: abram Court. How there's no there is no, there's not 133 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: going to be peace lasting piece between the Israelis and 134 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: the Palestinians. If there's going to be less collaboration and cooperation, 135 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: there needs to be more than that. There needs to be. 136 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: BDS was against the abram A Court. Okay, okay, so 137 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: give us give us a little bit of the history 138 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: of BDS. So well, let me let me give you 139 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: first the history of boycotting Jewish goods. Okay, so boycotting jewishness. 140 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: This is why we say BDS is an anti Semitic movement. 141 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: It's not about um, it's not a political movement. It's 142 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: an anti Semitic movement. It's not a progressive movement. It's 143 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: a hate group basically. So the origination of boycotting Jewish 144 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: goods started in with the first This was the first 145 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: decision that the Arab League made when they were established, 146 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: before the establishment of the State of Israel, So it 147 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: was either nineteen forty five or nineteen forty six they 148 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: had their first decision was to boycott Jewish goods. Okay, 149 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: Now why I say the reason I say so this 150 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: is the origination of BDS concept. So there was an 151 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: incarnation of this throughout the year. So there was the 152 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: Arab boycott in the seventies that we didn't have Pepsi 153 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: in Israel because of the Arab boycott, and now again 154 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: BDS trying to boycott, to boycott Israel, to boycott Jewish goods. Now, 155 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: the thing about BDS, the people in the in the 156 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: West and on the left don't understand is that it's 157 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: a movement that hurts Palestinians. So the Palestine, this is 158 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: not it's not a grassroots movement of the in the 159 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: like that's like actually coming from the West Bank. The 160 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: people on the West Bank want more opportunities, they want 161 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: more jobs. They want to be able to eat ice 162 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: cream the way that you know, I'm referring to Ben 163 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: and Jerry's boycotting, boycotting Israel. So this is this is 164 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: a movement that's actually damaging Palestinians. I wrote in my book, 165 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: I quoted this letter of a guy, a Palestine guy 166 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: who's working at the soda stream factory in the West Bank, 167 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: and BDS went after the soda stream factory and the 168 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: workers there. There were about fifteen hundred workers there, but 169 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: eight hundred of them were Palestinians, and he wrote this 170 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: letter two arts and he said, don't close the factory. 171 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm working here with Israelis and Palestinians and Ethiopians and Russians, 172 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: and we're all working together. I get paid three times, 173 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: I get benefits. What are you doing? Stop this? This 174 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: is what's happening. And it's BIDS on campus, and it's 175 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: these well intentioned justice warriors that don't understand what it 176 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: is that they're supporting, and they don't understand that it's 177 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: actually damaging the Palestinian people. Okay, you know you mentioned 178 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: Ben and Jerry's and we talk about the woke left 179 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: being pro Palestine. I didn't mention that word yet. Okay, 180 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: that's my word. What do you think is the generation 181 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: of this? Why is this happening because it didn't happen 182 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: prior to the last twenty or so years. This is 183 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: again my chapter in the book about BDS is the 184 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: chapter that the legal department at Simon and Schuster was 185 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: most concerned about, and they went through every single one 186 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: of these words with like, you know, fine, fine, fine fine. 187 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: I kind of like went through this very thoroughly because 188 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: I talk about the origin and the funding of BDS 189 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: and who's behind it, and I'm quoting two congressional hearings 190 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: that happen on the subject of BDS, and there needs 191 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: to be investigation about the sources of funding and who's 192 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: behind it. Let me just say that it's not happening 193 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: by accident, it's by design. There's a nefarious intent to 194 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: destroy the state of Israel. And I believe the FBI 195 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: needs to actually open an investigation against them, and also 196 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: the Department of Education should not allow them on campuses. 197 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: Probably the IRS should look into their funding as well. Okay, 198 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: let me use a specific example. I'm I'm being again 199 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: careful just because it's all in my book worded very carefully, 200 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: but it's let me put it, No nobody came after 201 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: me because there was nothing there that was not the truth. Okay, 202 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: let me use a specific example. There is highly reviewed 203 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: series on Amazon Pride called Trent's Pairing and it's got 204 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: a Jewish underpinning and a lot of people involved in 205 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: the show are Jewish. And then one of the later 206 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: seasons they go to Israel and they make a big 207 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: point of going to Palestinian areas and how the Palestinians 208 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: were just peaceful people and they were being mistreated by Israel. 209 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: What is the genesis of this sentiment by left leaning 210 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: liberal Jews? Why do you think this is suddenly you're happening. 211 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: First of all, everybody loves a perceived underdog, right when 212 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: you look through history and I'm coming I'm talking as 213 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: as a liberal Israeli right and a liberal Jew, And 214 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: in my opinions and my kind of like leaning, it's 215 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: very confronting to look at the history of the conflict 216 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: and to realize black on top of white, how many times, 217 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: like written down right, how many times there were peace 218 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: offerings to the Palestinian leadership, and how many times they 219 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: were turned down from literally nineteen twenty two onwards. So 220 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: when you look at that and you think to yourself, 221 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: what do they want? It's a very confronting feeling when 222 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: you know history well to realize that as a political movement, 223 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: the Palestinian people need to figure out what it is 224 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: that they're after, because every single action that they have 225 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: taken throughout the years was rejectionism, was a no to 226 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: whatever was offered. And when you see people like Beljadid right, 227 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: bless her heart, chanting in demonstrations from the river to 228 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: the sea Palestine will be free, that is a call 229 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: for ethnic cleansing of the Jewish people from their ancestral land. 230 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: That's what that is. Because there's a country between the river, 231 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: the Jordan River, and the sea, the Sea of the Mediterranean. See. 232 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: So it's a very confronting feeling as someone who's more 233 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: on the liberal side to look at that and go, 234 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, what do we have to work with? 235 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: What do they want? What do they want? However, the 236 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: left eats it up in America when somebody comes over 237 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: and use fake intersectionality, perceived Jews as white people and say, 238 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: see the poor Palestinians, they're just like the blacks. They're 239 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: just like you know, it's it's white on brown oppression. 240 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: It's kind of easy to believe that in America if 241 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: you don't know the facts. And it's a very and 242 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying this so lightly because even the notion of 243 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: intersectionality in Israel is wrong. Can you define intersectionality please, Well, yeah, 244 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: the sure so intersectionality in the context of perceiving everything 245 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: to the prism through the prism of skin, color, right, 246 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: and ethnicity. So there's an attempt to paint Israel as 247 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: this white nation that's oppressing brown people. And all you 248 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: need to do is go to Israel and see that 249 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: that's not the case. Because right now in Israel, only 250 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: thirty one percent of defining themselves of Eastern European descent. 251 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: The rest are of the region, So either Jewish of 252 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, Jews of North African descent, or Palestinian, Arab, 253 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: Israeli whatever it is, that's it's not a white country. 254 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: The majority of American Jews are of European descent, but 255 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: that's not the case in Israel. So there's no this 256 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: is something that's based on that isn't based in reality, 257 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: but it because of the world that we live in 258 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: today because of this trying to you know, you said woke. 259 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to even use that word that much, 260 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: but because of the people are trying to be holier 261 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: than the pope and they the perceived underdog is not 262 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: the underdog. It's just not the case. And again, I'm 263 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: not saying this when people to get upset. I'm not 264 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: saying that Israel is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, 265 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: but I'm trying to pull us back from the brink 266 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: of Israel shouldn't exist, because that's the thing. Is this right? 267 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: The people don't understand that Israel is the only country 268 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: in the world that her existence is being questioned. It's 269 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: the only country. It's the only country in the world 270 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: that has its own Wikipedia entry the legitimacy of the 271 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: State of Israel. No other country has that. Okay, let's 272 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: start with that concept. You and me both know that 273 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: the goal of the Palestinians and the other people in 274 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: the area is for Israel literally not to exist. Why 275 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: and howard st say that? Yeah, say that again, that's 276 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: the thing, But a lot of people don't actually get that. 277 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: Well of a lot of countries in the region, and 278 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: a lot of I'm not saying everybody and not saying 279 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: all the Palestinian people. I'm just saying the goal is 280 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: to throw the Jews into the sea and Israel seased 281 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: to exist. That's what we're dealing with here. Okay, you 282 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: and mean, how come that concept gets no traction? It's 283 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: a great question. I wish I had the answer to it, 284 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: the only thing that I can think of, right when again, 285 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: I've done a deep dive on this for like decades. Okay, 286 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: we all carry around subconscious biases when it comes to 287 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: different ethnicities and different races and different the other. Right, 288 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: and people carry around subconscious biases around Jewish people. They 289 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: just do, right. I always joke, I'm like, you know, 290 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: Jews have all them, and the Jews have all them. 291 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: You know when I say cabal, you say, people just 292 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: carry around these subconscious biases around the Jewish people, and 293 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: they do necessarily know that they carry them. But when 294 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: they hear something about Israel, it falls smack into that 295 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: subconscious bias. And if they don't stop and be like, wait, 296 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: is that true or is that automatic? Then they believe it. 297 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: And a lot of people's opinion about Israel is based 298 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: on feelings not in fact, and it's very frustrating. And again, 299 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: by the way, just so you know, I was born 300 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: and raised in Israel, so I was not raised with 301 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: anti Semitism at all. Like I was raised with zero 302 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: anti Semitism. I didn't even know that that's still a thing, right, 303 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: but I came here and I'm like, whoa, that's very 304 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: much a thing. Okay. One thing you do very well 305 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: in your book is you talk about the history of 306 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: the land. Who was there, who owned the land? Why 307 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: do you give us a short version of that? Well, 308 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: the short version of this And I'm going to say 309 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: something that's again going to be very confronting. When I 310 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: say this to people, you just look at their eyes 311 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: and they go there's just like a disconnect. Okay. There 312 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: has never in the history of humanity as we know 313 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: it has been a Palestine. There's never been a Palestine. 314 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: I know, I know there's never been a not that 315 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: there shouldn't be, but there just never has been. So 316 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: I go quickly through the history of the land from 317 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: the time we know it right from like to you know, 318 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: whatever the biblical time is more or less where we 319 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, can have writing, and that piece of land 320 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: went through it was. It was quote unquote owned because 321 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: the land can't be owned, but it was. It was 322 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: a sovereign Jewish state in the Biblical era and from 323 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: then on two thousand over two thousand years ago, it 324 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: just swapped hands from one hand to the next to 325 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: the next, from the mamlukes to the usual rights of 326 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: the disco where the caliphet was there for the Crusaders 327 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: came and took it, and then four hundred years of 328 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire and a few years of the British Empire, 329 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: so it was never anything other than a Jewish state, okay. 330 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: And in seventy four a d after the Great Roman 331 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: Jewish War, the Romans took over and gave the land 332 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: the name Palestinia in order to disconnect the Jews from 333 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: their homeland from Judaea essentially, and that's where Palestine comes 334 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: from from the Romans. I know, this is something that 335 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: is it's something that is very difficult to talk about 336 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: because a lot of people are get this is upsetting 337 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: and confronting and triggering to them. But this is where 338 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: the concept Palestine was in reference of a geographical location, 339 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: not a country, not a state, not a nation, not 340 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: a people now it's different, but it never was. So 341 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: they were the Jews of Palestine and the Arabs of 342 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: Palestine and the Christians of Palestine. Right, So it's never 343 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: a peoplehood up until nineteen sixty four, where the PLO 344 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: kind of created it to be so and great. Every 345 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: people deserve self governance and self determination, but historically that 346 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: land was only ever Jewish. And when we hear calls 347 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: today in America and around the world for the Jews 348 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: to go back to where you came from, and you 349 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: ask people where where's that and they go go but 350 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: to Europe, it's very upsetting because we know how that ended. 351 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: And the Jewish people are its own ethnic group. It's 352 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: not a religion, it's an ethno religion that is originated 353 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: in Judea. So it's a it's an indigenous group of 354 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: people that has a religion and traditions that are connected 355 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: to a land. I mean, think about it, every single 356 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: Jewish person that's listening to this right now. Passover is 357 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: about moving to a land. Chavot is about the land, 358 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: you know, taking the bequelium from the ground, whatever was grown. 359 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: Suquot is about going to the land. It's all about 360 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: it's indigenous, it's indigenous tradition. And for people to now 361 00:21:54,200 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: say you're colonialists on your land, it's very confronting because 362 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: as a people, every generation we hear something like this. 363 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: This is why anti Semitism is such a tricky thing. Right, 364 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: It changes in morphs, it adapts it just like it 365 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: sounds differently different in every generation. And now this is 366 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: what it is. So you swamp the word Jew with 367 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: the words Zionist, and it's a blood libel. And you 368 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: tell me, you look me straight in the eye, and 369 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: you tell me that the Israelis, the Zionists are killing 370 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: Palestinian people, posting in children, and I'm like, this is 371 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: the blood liabel from the you know, the Crusaders. It's 372 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: the same. So this is what we're dealing with. And 373 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: I'm on the front line of this. This is what 374 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: I deal with every single day. It's hard when you're 375 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: talking to people when when people don't understand that that 376 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: it's this is it's hate. It's just hate speech, that's 377 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: all it is. This is not political, This is not 378 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: it's not about any political personality that you like and 379 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: you don't like, Like, this is where you're dealing with. 380 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 1: You dealing with subconscious bias about the Jewish people. That 381 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: is then affecting your opinion, and it's very dangerous. It's 382 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: very dangerous for the State of Israel. Okay, you go 383 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: through what happens in nineteen forty eight where the United 384 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: Nations gives the Jews their land Israel. But you will 385 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: also talk about their offer to the Palestinians, which is 386 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: never accepted. Yes, So in nineteen forty seven, there was 387 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: a UN Resolution one eighty one, which was the resolution 388 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: to divide the land between the Jews and the Arabs 389 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: they will call the Arabs at the time, because again 390 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: there was no Palestine and identity as we know it today. 391 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: The Jews said yes, the Arabs said no. And the 392 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: day after the night of the declaration of the State 393 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: of is they started a war. And it wasn't a 394 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: surprise because they said they're going to start a war, 395 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: and they said that they're going to wipe the Jews 396 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: off the map and killed all the Jews. Now remind you, 397 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: this was three years after the Holocaust, so the Jewish 398 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: people were in no mood to be slaughtered again. So 399 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: this was literally either we establish a land or we 400 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: all die again. Whatever whoever has left is going to die. 401 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: This was a war in nineteen forty eight that Israel 402 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: did not want. It was a war that Israel did 403 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: not start, and it was a war that Israel won. 404 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: Yet here we are in twenty twenty three and we're 405 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: still litigating that war. So despite the fact that there 406 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: were a lot of refugee Palacini refugees, there were between 407 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: seven hundred and seven hundred and fifty thousand refugees at 408 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: the time, they were not resettled in other countries. They 409 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: were kept in refugee camps and they were told weight up, 410 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: you can return, You'll be able to return soon. Now 411 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: I talk in my in my book about the house 412 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: that my family had a templets in Jenoslovakia at the time. 413 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: This is it's not just a ridiculous concept because now 414 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: we're three or four generations later. So now there's millions 415 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: of people that are considered Palestinian refugees that are stuck 416 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: in limbo, and this is something that's horrible for the 417 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: Palestinian people. That's something that should not have happened to them, right, 418 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: But nobody, nobody would tell our family that was kicked 419 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: out of here and there and everywhere. Oh wait, you'll 420 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: just be you'll be able to return. But there were 421 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: nations that actually told this to the Palestinian people and 422 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: perpetuated this state of victimhood, which is now a real problem. 423 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: But it's a problem that's laid at the doorstep of Israel. Basically, Okay, 424 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: are of the well respected journalists who had a downfall 425 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago because of sexual peccadillo. He 426 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: wrote a book called My Promised Land, The Triumph and 427 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: Tragedy of Israel. And if you read the book, there 428 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: were Palestinians that had land that now no longer have 429 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: that land. What would your response be to that? I 430 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: it's obviously horrible, there's no question. Look at the fog 431 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: of war. Things happen that are terrible. They do. And 432 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: I don't doubt that there were Palestinians that were kicked out, 433 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: and I don't doubt that there were Palestinians that lost property. 434 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: I don't doubt that this happened on the Jewish side 435 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: as well. So around the same time, from every single 436 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: Arab country there was an equivalent nakama right of all 437 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: the neighboring Arab countries kicking out the Jewish residence to 438 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: the tune of eight to eight hundred fifty thousand people, 439 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: and they lost everything that they had. I have friends 440 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: from my friend, my friend zo Are from Fez Morocco, 441 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: kicked out out, left everything there, houses, property, everything, and 442 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: kicked out. I'm not saying there's no excusing any of this, 443 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: but that's what happens. And right now what people are 444 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: doing is we're going to take this against Israel and 445 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: we're going to legitimize its existence. And that is something 446 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: that I'm just not willing to accept. Okay, So you 447 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: go a little bit deeper to the point you just 448 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: made about the Palestinians and the refugee problem, which is 449 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: exploded exponentially over generations. So after the War of Independence, 450 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: after nineteen forty eight, there was an agency established in 451 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: the United Nations called UNRA, which is a agency for 452 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: Palestinian refugees. Okay, until this day, it's the single There's 453 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: there's one agency in the UN for Palestinian refugees, in 454 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: another agency in the UN for every single other refugee 455 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: from every other country in the world. So all the 456 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: other refugees are under one agency, and the Palestinian people 457 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: have their own agency. Throughout the years, they tried to 458 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: dismantle that agency because they found out that it's corrupt. 459 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: It teaches in the schools, in the schools, in school books, 460 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: it teaches about terrorism and about becoming Shahid's and all that. 461 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: They were unable to dismantle that particular agency. I forgot 462 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: the exact number today, but it's over five million people. 463 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: So in UNRA, it's the only agency in which you 464 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: are automatically second generation, third generation, you're registered as a 465 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: as a refugee unless you asked to be removed from 466 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: that agency. Okay, So it's the only agency like that. 467 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: Usually in the other unchar As, the other agency, you 468 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: have to you're being removed, you're not if your second 469 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: generation in another country, you're not considered a refugee anymore. 470 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: Not like that with UNRA. So essentially, from seven hundred 471 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: and fifty let's say thousand refugees Palestinian refugees of nineteen 472 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: forty eight, they're now I think the number is five 473 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: point nine million, but I'm not entirely sure. Five point 474 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: nine let's say million refugees that are quote unquote to 475 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: Palestinian refugee problem. And when you read material by BDS. 476 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: When you read about those organizations, they use that number 477 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: as if that number is the truth. There were five 478 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: point nine million people kicked out of you know, Palestinian 479 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: territories when Israel was established, so they use this number, 480 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: and i'm that number is wrong to begin with, because 481 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: how would you inherit a refugee status? What if you 482 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: are already settled in another country? What if your children 483 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: are already settled in another country. Okay, So it's a 484 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: highly corrupt body. There's been you know, it's a political 485 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: football in America. But I definitely agree that the funding 486 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: for UNRA needs to be booked at very carefully because 487 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: it does some good things, but it does some horrible things. 488 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: And again it's perpetuating this problem that is not helping 489 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: the Palestinian people. So of this approximately five point nine 490 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: million Palestinians, where exactly are they now? It's a good question. 491 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: There a lot of them are. They're either in Jordan, Lebanon, 492 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: some of them are around the world. You know. The 493 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: other problem is, for example, in Lebanon, they're not allowed 494 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: to integrate into society, so they're still in refugee camps. 495 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 1: So the notion in the UN and the United Nations 496 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: at the time, including this guy Ralph Bunch, who's an 497 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: amazing person who I've kind of went down a rabbit 498 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: hole on him, who was a black diplomat who helped 499 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: the creation of the State of Israel on behalf of 500 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: the UNIT, on behalf of the United States at the time. 501 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: The notion was that they're going to be fine because 502 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: that's the same people, and it's the same culture, and 503 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: they're going to be integrated into the society. And again, 504 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: there was no Palestinian identity as we know it today, right, 505 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: But they were wrong because the Jordanians put them in 506 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: and refugee camps, and the Lebanese put them in refugee camps, 507 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: and they bade them from actually participating in the country 508 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: and integrating into the country. So this is if you're 509 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: a second or third generation in a refugee camp, you 510 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: are pissed, and rightfully so rightfully so, so how come 511 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: the people who were generations removed their lives are not 512 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: being re established in they're living like refugees because those 513 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: countries don't allow it. Those countries don't allow it. And 514 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: here's the other thing again, the question is to why 515 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: is there no Palestinian state should be asked of the 516 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: Palestinians as well, Why is the no Palestinian state? Yet 517 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: it's been offered many times, why is the no Palestine? Okay, 518 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: let's move to a slightly different topic. Please define Zionism. Oh, 519 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: what a great question. So when people hear the word Zionism, 520 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: they often get annoyed because the word Zionism was turned 521 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: into a bit of a curse word. So Zionism, in 522 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: its simplest form, is the Jewish people's right to have 523 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: a state. That's really what it is. So in a 524 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: little bit more of a sophisticated way, it's a Jewish 525 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: people's right for self determination and self governance in some 526 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: parts of their ancestral land in a Jewish not an 527 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: exclusively Jewish state. So Zionism was never about having an 528 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: exclusively Jewish state ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever. It's 529 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: just about the Jewish people's right to have a state. 530 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: And I I'm a proud Zionist. I think listen, Joe 531 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: Biden is a prize proud Zionist as well. And I 532 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: think that if you are a person who believes in 533 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: human rights, then you shouldn't be a Zionist. And again, 534 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: Zionism is not against Palestinian self determination. Zionism is not 535 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: an exclusivity of Jews in the land. Zionism is about 536 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: the Jews being allowed to own the state. Okay, how 537 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: about people Roger Waters being the prime example who say 538 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: I am not anti Semitic, I'm just against Israel's policy. 539 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: First of all, I kind of don't even want to 540 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: give Roger Water. I know that you're you know, it's 541 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: it's it's the music, the music spot here. But he's 542 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: Germany just canceled his performance because he's so anti Semitic, 543 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: like he's he's his band came out against him because 544 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: he's so anti Semitic. He's also always on the wrong 545 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: side of history, like he's supporting Putin, Like you know, 546 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: he really knows how to pick him. Because it's kind 547 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: of like, if Aga Waters is against something, we should 548 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: all support that because that's the right, the right thing 549 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: to do. Look, anti semitism and anti Zionism are the same, 550 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: and what do I mean by that? You can be 551 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: against the Israeli government's policies, against the Israeli government, against 552 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister. You can be against Israel's policies in 553 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: the West Bank or in Tel Avion. Right, But if 554 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: you're against Israel's right to exist, that goes into a 555 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: different direction. Because if you are against a lot of 556 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: other countries right to exist, if you don't like borders, 557 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: that's fine, you're not anti Semitic. But if you're against 558 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: one country's right to exist, then that country happens to 559 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: be Jewish. There's a name for that right. So that, 560 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: to me is the difference. The difference is not about 561 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: being upset about Israeli government. God knows, I'm upset about 562 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: Israeli government policies for years, as I am in America. Right, 563 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm nobody. I always give this example. Right, nobody likes 564 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: whether you left, right, as center, whatever. Nobody likes the 565 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: American policy of kids in cages, right, nobody, nobody, nobody. 566 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: But nobody's also talking about dismantling America. And that's where 567 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: the line crosses, in my opinion, between being against Israeli 568 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: policies and being against Israel's right to exist. And that's 569 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: where Roger Waters is. He's against Israel's right to exist, 570 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: he's anti Semitic, he is full of blood. Liabel he's 571 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: full of sh We love to curse on your podcast, 572 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: of course, guys, full of shit. He really is, like 573 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: in a massive kind of way. He's a grumpy old 574 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: man who's on the wrong side of history, and I'm 575 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: glad that a lot of people are not just not 576 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: giving him the time of day anymore. He's just the 577 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: energiz of bunny of anti Semites. Okay, but there's also 578 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: the issue of Roger Waters and people who agree with him, 579 00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: who will say people should not play concerts in Israel. Okay, 580 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: we see branded Roger Waters is an internationally famous person. 581 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: But how come we see one side so large and 582 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: we see the other side defending Israel where the right 583 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: Israel's right to exist so small because it's not a 584 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: cool cause anymore. It's not a cool cause. Israel is 585 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: not perceived as the underdog. Israel's a superpower, technological superpower, 586 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: it's a strong military. It's you know, if there's one 587 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: one of the best brands in the world would be Massad. Right, 588 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: you just say Massad to somebody and like, oh my god. Right, 589 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: So Israel is not perceived as the underdog, and people 590 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: forget that it's literally under threat every single day, there 591 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: were fourteen people that were murdered in Israel since the 592 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: beginning of the year. We're three months in, point blank, 593 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: just just murdered. So people in Iran is running to 594 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: create a nuclear bomb in order to dismant destroy Israel. 595 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: So people forget that Israel, as powerful as it is, 596 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: is still constantly under threat and it's just not a 597 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: cool cause. You know, if in working in Hollywood for 598 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: so many years, and every time I would try to 599 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: get some celebrity to speak publicly for the state of Israel, 600 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: I get a no, no, no, Like we love Israel, 601 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: we get it. I'll get phone cause we're like, oh 602 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: my god, we support Israel. Is such a great state. 603 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: I've been there. It's amazing. It's so liberal, it's so great. 604 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: Would you say something publicly? No, So you know this 605 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: is it's just not a popular cause anymore. It used 606 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 1: to be because people was they were It was after 607 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: the Holocaust and after the Wars and after what it 608 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: was just people try to overtly destroy it. So many 609 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 1: times there was this like Jewish heroism that came out 610 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: of the destruction of the Holocaust. But it's not the 611 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: case anymore. It's not the case anymore. And I'm just 612 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: concerned because we don't want it to get too far. 613 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: It can be very it can be very dangerous. These 614 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: things are slippery slopes. As a Jewish person, right, we 615 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: get extraordinarily triggered because we carry around an epigenetic fear 616 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: of being rounded up. And I know you know what 617 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Yeah, I know you know what I'm 618 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: talking about. And I know every single Jewish person knows 619 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. And every person who's not 620 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: Jewish that's listening right now, please consider this to be 621 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: the truth. Everyone of you Jewish friends have an epigenetic 622 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: fear of being slaughtered. So we have general not everybody 623 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: understands that term eigenetic. Let me explain it, Okay, let 624 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: me explain it. So we have people do understand generational trauma. 625 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: So we have generational trauma in our DNA. That's every 626 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: single generation there's been some sort of a disaster that 627 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: has befallen the Jewish people for thousands of years. Right. 628 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: Epigenetics EPI is above genetics is genetics, and epigenetic is 629 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: the memory basically that goes down in our genetic memory 630 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: that is above the like it's memories and generational memories. 631 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to get into it that much 632 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: because it's go go, go dig about it. It's fascinating. 633 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: But when I when I went down the rabbit hole 634 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: of the epigeneticism, I was floored because nobody talked about 635 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: the Jewish aspect of it, and I was so obvious 636 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: to me that we carry this around there. I'm sitting 637 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,439 Speaker 1: around la with my friends right now that are well 638 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: to do and successful and have families, and we're sitting 639 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: down and having conversations about taking down the mazuzas and 640 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: your doorstep at your door front, like at the front, 641 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: at the front of the house, the side of the 642 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: of your doors, and where are we going to go? 643 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: And I'm stopping them. We're literally sitting at a bar 644 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: on Bohemia and I'm stopping everybody. I'm like, do you 645 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: see what we're doing? And they're like what. I'm like, 646 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: we're talking about escaping again. And this is happening for 647 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: the Jewish people. If there's no we have this thing 648 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: of we have to run, we need to run because 649 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: every few years we get slaughtered. So this is bringing 650 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: it all up right now, What's happening right now between 651 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: Kanye West and Kyrie Irving and the hate that it's 652 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: against Israel. This is bringing up generational stress for all 653 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: of us. And again, because the Jews are not perceived 654 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: as the underdog in the world, because Jews are not underrepresented, 655 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,919 Speaker 1: actually overrepresented in a lot of areas, people don't think 656 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,439 Speaker 1: that the Jewish people are under distress. And they're like, well, 657 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: you're white passing, you should be fine. And I'm like, yeah, 658 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: you're white passing, but I'm walking around with a Star 659 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: of David and that's considered to be risky. So being 660 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: Jewish right now in America, it's kind of like being 661 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: gay in the sixties. It's ask, don't tell. If you 662 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: can pass is not Jewish, then you're fine. But if 663 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: you're visically Jewish in New York City, you get beaten 664 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: up on the streets. That's the world we live in 665 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: right now. So this is this. Yeah, let's go back 666 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: to Israel for a second. So again, if anybody's hearing 667 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: this right now and they're not Jewish, like all the 668 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,720 Speaker 1: non Jewish, trust us right that this is what's happening. 669 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: Kanye Jewish friend, ask them how they're doing let's talk 670 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: about the settlements, because there are a lot of liberal 671 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,399 Speaker 1: Jews Wus support Israel and they feel the settlements are 672 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: just one step too much. They will say, as we're 673 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: speaking right now, there's big issues with the government and 674 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: the settlements. Describe the history and your take on what's 675 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: going on. So my take is pretty clear from my book. Again, 676 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into two into the weeds 677 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: about this, but the settlements are basically the new kind 678 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: of like settlements. So we're established in the West Bank 679 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: and Gaza when Israel won the War of sixty seven. 680 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: Again the word that she didn't start nor wanted, but one. 681 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: They were created initially in order to create some kind 682 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: of physical buffer zone and protection, and they turned into 683 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: something that's more of a religious kind of fervor because 684 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: they sit on a land that's historically indigenously Jewish. There's Hebron, 685 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: which is the barrier of the fathers and mothers, so's 686 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: it's a land that's indigenously Jewish land. It's pretty clear 687 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: what I think about the settlements from my book. I 688 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 1: don't think they're helping. But I also want to caution 689 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: people about them as well, because I think that to 690 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: some extent, there are a red herring within the debate 691 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: about the piece let's say, two state solution, right, which 692 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: arguably I'm not even sure if it's viable anymore, but 693 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: that is arguably the best solution that we can imagine 694 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: right now. Hopefully we can imagine something else, but this 695 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: is what we can imagine right now. There's always a 696 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: debate about the settlements, right, So it's like two point 697 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: nine million Palestinians, about four and fifty thousand Jewish people 698 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: in the West Bank. So what I like to propose 699 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: and bring up all the time is why do we 700 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: even talk about the settlements as something that has to 701 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: be dismantled? Right? I mean, there are twenty one percent 702 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: Arab Israeli's in living in Israel having the same rights. 703 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: Why would't they be some Jewish people in a Palestinian state? Right? 704 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: Why do they have to be dismantled? And this is 705 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,919 Speaker 1: obviously a rhetorical question because the answer to anybody who 706 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 1: lives in the region or been to the region, that 707 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: knows anything about the region, the answer is very clear, 708 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: and the answer is because they'll be slaughtered within two 709 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 1: and a half seconds. But that is something that I 710 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: I always like to bring up That's why I don't 711 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: support that operation, the Dish vote. I don't think it's helpful. 712 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: But I also think that to some extent sometimes it's 713 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: a red herring. If there was willingness to create a 714 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: Palestinian state on behalf of the Palestinian leadership, the settlements 715 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 1: would have been, they would have figured out what to do. Okay, 716 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: let's talk about you specifically. So you have a long 717 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: history as an actress and as a producer. So what 718 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about is a singer as well as an artist. Okay. 719 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: I was like, a we going to talk about that? 720 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: Because yes we are, but we're going. I got it, 721 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: I got it in my mind. Don't worry about it, right, 722 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: We're getting there. So how much of your time is 723 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: spent on activism at this point in time, whether it 724 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: be speaking, writing, posting on social media? Give me an 725 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: understanding of that, all of it, all of it. Well, 726 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: that was the question of how do you have time 727 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 1: to be an actress, a singer of producers. I don't 728 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,399 Speaker 1: know all of it is on all of it, That's 729 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: that's the thing. I So I started acting when I 730 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: was around eight years old. UM got my first scholarship 731 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: when I was fourteen years old and been I had 732 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: I remember the first moment that I was on stage 733 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: that I'm like, I had this magic of you know, 734 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: the zone that they talk about and everything goes quiet, 735 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 1: and I just knew that it's my spot right um. 736 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: And I've been extraordinarily passionate about this and I did 737 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: well in some areas and great in other areas, specifically producing, 738 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: which which worked out really well. But I've always wanted 739 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 1: to communicate. That was my biggest thing. I just needed 740 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: to communicate in various ways, and it just kept changing 741 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: throughout my life. And when I sat down to read 742 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: to write my book in twenty nineteen, it became very 743 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: clear to me that this is what I'm going to 744 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: be doing from now own. And not just that, it 745 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: became very clear that this was I was just like 746 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 1: I said down I started writing, I'm like, oh my god, 747 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 1: that's why I went through everything, Like everything that I 748 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,319 Speaker 1: went through had led me to this, like this is 749 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: not you know, And it was incredible how everything everything 750 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: changed for me from that minute onwards. And I I 751 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: have I signed with a new agency last year and 752 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: I told them very specifically that I'm not interested in 753 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: going to auditions and I'm not. I don't. I don't 754 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 1: want to do anything that doesn't have meaning anymore. So 755 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: I feel I I feel like everything that I did 756 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: led me to led me to this, led me to 757 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: be able to be a spokesperson on behalf of you know, 758 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: making the world a better place in my own kind 759 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: of in my own kind of way. And I just 760 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: am so disinterested in acting. I'm never saying never, right, 761 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 1: but it's just not something that I'm interested in. I 762 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:23,760 Speaker 1: advocacy and diplomacy and writing us so much more interesting 763 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: to me. It just okay, But we we all need 764 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: money to live. So how are you supporting yourself now? 765 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: I do speaking engagements, I do. I'm I'm I'm good. 766 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,839 Speaker 1: I'm able to support myself through this work. And it's extraordinary. 767 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: The book is doing great. I mean, the who knew 768 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: a book about Israel would do, would do so well 769 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: and get such great reviews from such amazing people, and 770 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: it's still people are still responding to it. I knew 771 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,399 Speaker 1: that there's a constituency out there. I knew that there 772 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: isn't a book about Israel that tells that story in 773 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 1: a way that's fun, funny, easy to understand, relatable. I 774 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: just knew that it exist. Also, it's the first book 775 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 1: about Israel written by a woman, by the way, Okay, 776 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,280 Speaker 1: let's go back to the beginning. You were born in Israel, 777 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: growing up in Israel. One very interesting thing is you 778 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: talk about your service being in the army and that 779 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: you did that service by being a performer. Can you 780 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: tell us more about the obligation to serve in what 781 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: varying people do. Yeah, So, first of all, it's so 782 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: it's mandatory to serve in the military in Israel. Obviously, 783 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: if you really don't want to serve, they have a 784 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: lot of people that you can get out of it 785 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: if you really really don't want to serve. But it's 786 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,399 Speaker 1: mandatory to serve. I actually think it's a great thing 787 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: for a person to do at the age of eighteen, 788 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: because you're in a system that's bigger than you and 789 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: you've got to do things that you don't necessarily like. 790 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: And I don't think when I moved to America and 791 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: I realize that people go to college and just get drunk, 792 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, that the difference between like an 793 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: Israeli nineteen year old and American nineteen year old is 794 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 1: quite striking. So I wanted to sing in the military, 795 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,720 Speaker 1: sing and act. There is something in Israel called La Katswit, 796 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: which is a military performing troops, which is essentially a 797 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,319 Speaker 1: USO tour, that's what it is. And you have to 798 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 1: audition to get in, and it's like months of auditions basically, 799 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: and you audition would like been sketch comedy and acting 800 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: and singing and whatever all of it. And I got in. 801 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,839 Speaker 1: I was very excited. It was my dream for years 802 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: and years and years to do and I did that 803 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: for two and a half years. So it's basically you 804 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: do a USO tour, meaning you're on a bus, you 805 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,879 Speaker 1: come to base every morning, you get a note of 806 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: where you're going that day. Remember Israel's size country the 807 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: size of New Jersey, so it's a very tiny, tiny country, 808 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: so you can travel throughout the country basically one day. 809 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: And I got a chance to perform for soldiers every 810 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 1: single day. And it's a very it's a It gave 811 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: me a couple of things. First of all, it gives 812 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: me great experience in terms of standing in front of 813 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: an audience because it's like the toughest situations that you 814 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: can imagine. So one day you're performing in front of 815 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: like the Prime Minister and it's like a puge of 816 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,840 Speaker 1: thousands of people in a stadium or whatever. And the 817 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 1: next day you're literally in a military kitchen in Hebron 818 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 1: on a box of tomatoes and you get three soldiers 819 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: in front of you and you have to entertain them. 820 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: You're like, hey, okay, let's do this right, so you 821 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: get as a performer, it's one of the best training 822 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: grounds that you can imagine. So once you get out 823 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: of that, and I've done this between and a half years, 824 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can stand on any stage. You don't 825 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: scare me. Like nothing is worse than seeing, like, you know, 826 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: being a girl showing up in a guy's base that 827 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: I haven't seen a girl in like three weeks, and 828 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: they can get rowdy and you need to calm them 829 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: down and in all of that. So that's the first 830 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: thing you gave me. The second thing is I was 831 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: I saw the country and I saw the military first firsthand. 832 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: So I saw every single military base that you can imagine, 833 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: and I saw how soldiers live, and I saw the commitment, 834 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 1: and I saw the difference between like Air Force and 835 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: like you know, yoking like the Greenforces, and it was. 836 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 1: It was extraordinary. It's obviously gotten old. So I was 837 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: very excited to do it. I thought it's going to 838 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,719 Speaker 1: be very glamorous and fun, and instead you realize that, oh, 839 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm on the bus where five of us and you're 840 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,320 Speaker 1: also the performer and the roadie, like I know, to 841 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: build a stage and like you know, like with the 842 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,880 Speaker 1: might of the things, set up this down system and 843 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 1: everything and carrying everything ourselves and all of that. Um. 844 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: So it gets old. It's not it's not as fun 845 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,919 Speaker 1: at the beginning. Beginning gets fun, but afterwards it gets 846 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: it gets a little. But it was an amazing, amazing 847 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: experience and it taught me a lot. The other thing 848 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: it was that coming to America, people here that I 849 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: was in Israeli military and they think I was so 850 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: cool and I was. I was a massad agent, and 851 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,880 Speaker 1: it's quite disappointing for them when they were realized I 852 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: was just a singer. My son even laughs at me 853 00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 1: as he was like, but you are, but you are 854 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: a singer and militarium shut up, Okay, you were a 855 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: singer in the military. Was there anything in the back 856 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,439 Speaker 1: of your mind saying I want to go down this 857 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,240 Speaker 1: path of the in my year of quote to USO 858 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: although this is audio, because I don't want to be 859 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: in combat and I don't want to die. Oh not 860 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 1: even a little bit. I was like, I want to 861 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: do this because this is what I want to do 862 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: for a living. It wasn't for a second I don't 863 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: want to be in combat. I didn't even think about that. 864 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: It was very much. There is a movie in Israel 865 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 1: called The Lack the Troop, right, It's a movie from 866 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: the seventies, and it follows one of these troops, right 867 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: the USO tour, and we were all it's like black 868 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: and white, it's super old, but we all grew up 869 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: on it. It's super famous, and I grew up on it, 870 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, that would be so cool, 871 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: Like that's what I want to do. So it was 872 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: never because I wanted to avoid dying. It was just 873 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,240 Speaker 1: because that's what I wanted to do. Okay, But speaking 874 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: of dying, you talk about your mother's first husband. Now, 875 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,439 Speaker 1: I want to Columbia. This one's almost ten years ago, 876 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,800 Speaker 1: and literally everybody interacted with had had a family member assassinated. 877 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: So to what degree do you feel that, do you 878 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: feel the military presence, do you feel the have an 879 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 1: essence of life or is it like living in New 880 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 1: Jersey in America. Absolutely not, not even a little bit, 881 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 1: not even close you. There isn't there's there's not a 882 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: single family in Israel that hasn't suffered a loss, a death, 883 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: a wounded, an attack. There's not a single family. So 884 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,760 Speaker 1: one of the biggest differences that I saw that shocked 885 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,320 Speaker 1: me when I moved to the States was a Memorial 886 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,040 Speaker 1: Day because in Israel, and I talk about that in 887 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,919 Speaker 1: the book as well, Memorial Day is a devastating day. 888 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: It's twenty four hours. It starts in the morning and 889 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,359 Speaker 1: it ends in the ends in the next day. It 890 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 1: starts in the evening and it ends the next evening basically, 891 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: and then we moved straight to Independence Day and it's 892 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 1: a day of mourning the people who fell, the soldiers 893 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,840 Speaker 1: who fell, and the terrorists victims who died. And I 894 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: can't describe the feeling because it's it's the entire country 895 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 1: is in mourning. There's there's sad music on the radio, 896 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 1: and TV only plays documentaries about the fallen, and every 897 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 1: single person mourns in their own way, and you go 898 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,799 Speaker 1: to ceremonies and it's just you cannot escape it. You 899 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: cannot escape it because because everybody serves in the military, 900 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 1: and everybody has a friend or a family member of this, 901 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,400 Speaker 1: like everybody knows somebody. So this is something that really 902 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,359 Speaker 1: unites the country for a day and then it goes 903 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,320 Speaker 1: straight into Independence Day to remind us that there was 904 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,439 Speaker 1: a reason for all of that. And when I moved 905 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,840 Speaker 1: to the States and the first Memorial Day came, I 906 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: asked my friends, like, what are we doing? And they're 907 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 1: like what, I mean, what are we doing. I'm like, 908 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 1: what are we doing? They're like, We're doing a barbecue. 909 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 1: And I was blown away. I was blown away, and 910 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,280 Speaker 1: I I'm I have maybe two friends who are veterans, 911 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,839 Speaker 1: and I'm the only one. You know, I'm the only one. 912 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm a veteran, and I don't have a lot of 913 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,640 Speaker 1: friends who are veterans. And it's it's unfortunate. There's a 914 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,480 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a disconnect, I think within 915 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 1: the American people in the military because it's a because 916 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 1: it's a it's a paid military. It's not I wish 917 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: we had more of an ownership around it and more 918 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,799 Speaker 1: kind of like pride. And I actually say thank you 919 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,319 Speaker 1: for service when I see military service, and I, you know, 920 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,839 Speaker 1: I find I find it adorable because I know it's 921 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,839 Speaker 1: necessary sadly. So what kind of kid were you growing up? 922 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:52,200 Speaker 1: And what was your growing up experience? I um, I was. 923 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: I was very determined. I was extraordinarily determined. I was 924 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,880 Speaker 1: very driven and very determined and wait, wait, wait, determined 925 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 1: to do what as soon as I got the stage bug, 926 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: that was all I wanted to do. That was all 927 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to do. So I was. I was a 928 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,879 Speaker 1: good kid. I was like, I was the youngest from 929 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,800 Speaker 1: my mom I had. My parents got divorced when I 930 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,200 Speaker 1: was about eight years old. I had three older sisters 931 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: that were kind of more rebels than me. They grew 932 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: up in like the eight seventies eighties, and they were 933 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 1: smoky pot and hitchhiking to sign I and causing a 934 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,960 Speaker 1: little bit more trouble. So when I came around, I 935 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna be a good girl. I 936 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 1: don't want to rebel. I don't need to rebel. I 937 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,840 Speaker 1: was going to do my thing. So I was very 938 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 1: I was good like that. But I always ended up 939 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: doing what I wanted to do very quietly. So as 940 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: soon as I as soon as I went on stage 941 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 1: for the first time, which was when I was around 942 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: fourteen years old and drama school, I'm like, oh my god, 943 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,600 Speaker 1: this is all I want to do. And I became 944 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,680 Speaker 1: so focused, like so and being a mom today my 945 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 1: son is seven years old, I'm seeing I'm kind of going. 946 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 1: This was actually quite extraordinary because I knew what I 947 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,640 Speaker 1: wanted to do. I would go to sleep early, I 948 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,479 Speaker 1: would go to rehearsals. I didn't smoke, I didn't drink. 949 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,719 Speaker 1: I didn't I was very very focused on being successful 950 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 1: and being good at what I do. I worked on 951 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,840 Speaker 1: my singing, I worked on my dancing. I worked on 952 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,279 Speaker 1: you know, I took acting classes. I got my first 953 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,359 Speaker 1: scholarship at with a Television Museum of Arts. And I 954 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,120 Speaker 1: was very very focused and very determined. And it's you know, 955 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,759 Speaker 1: I created my first format, television format when I was 956 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,880 Speaker 1: twenty years old. So I was that was that was 957 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: kind of the kid that I was. I was a 958 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 1: good girl that ended up doing what you wanted to do. Okay, 959 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:47,759 Speaker 1: So when you were growing up in today, what is 960 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:53,080 Speaker 1: everyday life in Israel, like compared to everyday life in 961 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:59,360 Speaker 1: the US. It's a great question. Um. So on the surface, 962 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,239 Speaker 1: it's the same, right, it's the same. It's the same 963 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,439 Speaker 1: TV show, it's the same music, it's the same food, 964 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,160 Speaker 1: better food in Israel. Actually, by the way, I always 965 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: say to people that go to Israel, I challenge you 966 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: to find a bad meal, because the food is so 967 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,960 Speaker 1: good over there. So on the surface it's the same. 968 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,360 Speaker 1: It's it's like, it's exactly the same. You think of 969 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,240 Speaker 1: yourself as like a citizen the world, exactly the same 970 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: as the US, kind of like a little sister of 971 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,080 Speaker 1: the US. But it isn't. Because every house has a 972 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: bomb shelter, Like every apartment building has shelters, and every floor, 973 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,400 Speaker 1: every office building has to have a shelter. When you 974 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: walk around in a neighborhood, you see shelters, shelter shelters 975 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: every few blocks. You see a bomb shelter every couple 976 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,880 Speaker 1: of years. You sit around at a restaurant somewhere and 977 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 1: suddenly the sirens go off because Hamas decided to throw 978 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,720 Speaker 1: a couple of rockets because they're not happy about something. 979 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 1: So this is something that's ongoing in the Israeli experience 980 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,080 Speaker 1: that I don't think anybody understands this. So when people 981 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:09,440 Speaker 1: complain about Israeli actions, the Israeli attitude can and should 982 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,320 Speaker 1: be to some extent. You go live thirty miles from 983 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 1: Hamas and then we'll talk, right. So there's an undercurrent 984 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 1: as an Israeli of danger, of danger. So I remember 985 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,360 Speaker 1: this as a child. There was a terrorist attack one 986 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: time and they were very close to my house and 987 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,160 Speaker 1: Tel Aviv, and we all had to go into the 988 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,200 Speaker 1: houses and close the doors. They got on a bus 989 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,840 Speaker 1: on a road near the beach and they were roaming 990 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,560 Speaker 1: Tel Aviv. Basically nobody could find them. I remember as 991 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,320 Speaker 1: a as a in high school when or as a team, 992 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: like an element of whatever. It's like a I can't 993 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: remember the age, but I was maybe middle school. The 994 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: golf war happened and suddenly were their sirens and like 995 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,000 Speaker 1: Saddam says, throwing rockets on us, and we have to 996 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,200 Speaker 1: go to school with gas masks. So I'm walking around 997 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,240 Speaker 1: with a gas mask and I had to box. It's 998 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,920 Speaker 1: kind of like a cardboard box that had a strap 999 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,200 Speaker 1: on it. And I was very creative child, and I 1000 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,120 Speaker 1: basically decorated it with like lace and red and like 1001 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 1: glitter and whatever, and it's a it's a gas mask 1002 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 1: that I'm I'm a thirteen year old taking to school. 1003 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:24,200 Speaker 1: That's not right. So but underneath and above all of that, 1004 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,040 Speaker 1: there's a very strong like knageoideviv In Israel, people are 1005 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: people have a very strong not just will to live obviously, 1006 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,280 Speaker 1: but also just like will to enjoy life. To you 1007 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 1: know that people go out and they celebrate, and they 1008 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: take their babies to restaurants, and you know, it's it's 1009 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: a very lively society because there's a constant threat. So 1010 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 1: when you live with this, this concept of tomorrow might 1011 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 1: nut come. Do you want to enjoy life? You really 1012 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,240 Speaker 1: do and appreciate your life? Okay, So would you ever 1013 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: as a an individual, someone say well let's go to 1014 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,880 Speaker 1: this area and you say, well, that's sort of a 1015 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,320 Speaker 1: dangerous area or something happened there. Would you ever check 1016 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 1: yourself or would you say, I'm alive. I'm just gonna 1017 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: live my life to the fullest. The risk is inherent 1018 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,360 Speaker 1: and I don't care. We're going to live our life 1019 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,120 Speaker 1: to the fullest. So what you do, basically, we're so 1020 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 1: used to it, so something happens. There's again Hamas throwing 1021 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: a rocket into television. Right. So you hear the siren, 1022 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, snap, okay, you go into the safe 1023 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,240 Speaker 1: room or the shelter or whatever it is that you 1024 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,160 Speaker 1: have in your house. You wait for it to pass. 1025 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,600 Speaker 1: You hear the bombs, you hear it falling around, you 1026 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,000 Speaker 1: listen to the news. They say it's okay. Military goes 1027 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,840 Speaker 1: in taking care of the launchers, and you're like, all right, great, 1028 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,200 Speaker 1: let's go back to coffee. That's just the way you do. 1029 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,720 Speaker 1: People just go immediately snap back to yeah, all right, 1030 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,120 Speaker 1: we have to keep on living by the way. That's 1031 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,040 Speaker 1: true for a lot of places in the country, not 1032 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,360 Speaker 1: so much to the region in the south, because the 1033 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:03,240 Speaker 1: southern towns of Israel and the children are traumatized because 1034 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: they are constantly under attack. So it reaches Tel Aviv 1035 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,640 Speaker 1: and like the rest of the country every now and then. 1036 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,480 Speaker 1: But in the south, in like Otefaza, the circular kind 1037 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,960 Speaker 1: of like cities and towns around Gaza, this happens so 1038 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,200 Speaker 1: often that they have children there that can't sleep, you know, 1039 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,960 Speaker 1: that are legitimately traumatized. And then standard of living, living 1040 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,040 Speaker 1: in a homogeneous society we have great income inequality in America. 1041 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,560 Speaker 1: What's it like in Israel? And to what degree? What 1042 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,160 Speaker 1: is the standard of living? So it's not homogeneous, Like 1043 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,160 Speaker 1: it's not Israel is not a monolith, right, There's like 1044 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,560 Speaker 1: the Jews of every descent. There's like Christians and Arabs 1045 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,200 Speaker 1: and Drews, and there's it's a very very very eclectic country, 1046 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: like super eclectic. And you see this on the street 1047 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,200 Speaker 1: when you walk around and you see there with the 1048 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,760 Speaker 1: food and you hear it with the music. It's like 1049 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 1: it's a very very eclectic. M It's a good question. 1050 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,200 Speaker 1: I wish I had like a GDP kind of numbers 1051 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:03,200 Speaker 1: for you on this, but I don't expense and inflation 1052 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:09,400 Speaker 1: and rise of living expensive living is a problem in 1053 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,800 Speaker 1: a lot of countries. So there's a lot of money 1054 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,520 Speaker 1: in Israel and the tech companies and the tech industry 1055 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,640 Speaker 1: and other industries, but there's also there's also income inequality 1056 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:24,640 Speaker 1: that needs to be addressed. Not dissimilar to what's happening here. Okay, 1057 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,640 Speaker 1: you came here because someone said if you want to 1058 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,880 Speaker 1: be in the A level actress world, you have to 1059 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: go to Hollywood. But there are a lot of emigras 1060 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: from Israel. Why would people leave Israel? I mean, why 1061 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,400 Speaker 1: would people come here from any other country? This is America. 1062 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of America. I don't think particularly 1063 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,960 Speaker 1: there are more Israelis here than there are like French 1064 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: people here or Swedish people here. I don't think so. 1065 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,520 Speaker 1: I think that. I just think that lack America is 1066 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: the shiny house on the hill and doesn't matter how 1067 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: screwed up our ticks are, it still is. So people 1068 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,120 Speaker 1: want to come here. I don't think it's I don't 1069 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:10,640 Speaker 1: think it's necessarily just specifically because Israeli's leave more. I don't. Well, 1070 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't if that was implied, that was not my belief. 1071 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: But okay, with all the craziness. The other thing, by 1072 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,240 Speaker 1: the way, the thing is this, right, it's a very 1073 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,480 Speaker 1: small country over there. So the reason you you you 1074 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 1: don't you might not even know how many Israelis and 1075 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,600 Speaker 1: like how many Israelis you work with or you meet, 1076 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,280 Speaker 1: or you know or you use their products or you know. 1077 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,640 Speaker 1: There're Israeli professors in a ton of universities and their authors, 1078 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,000 Speaker 1: and there's their chefs. There's like Israeli cuisine in America 1079 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,479 Speaker 1: that's exploding right now. All over the country. There there's 1080 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the Israeli. Israeli designers are dominating in 1081 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,960 Speaker 1: like the bridal dress, like bridal dresses right now. Well, 1082 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,160 Speaker 1: the biggest designers are Israeli designers. So it's a very 1083 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 1: small country. So I have a feeling that a lot 1084 01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,200 Speaker 1: of people feel like they need to branch out of 1085 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,680 Speaker 1: the country in order to expand their business, but they 1086 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,040 Speaker 1: don't necessarily leave. They sometimes will expand their business internationally. 1087 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,480 Speaker 1: It's a very small country, obviously. That's what happened with 1088 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:17,280 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. That's what happened with like the format. Okay, 1089 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,960 Speaker 1: so tell us about you're moving from Israel to Los Angeles. 1090 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:29,880 Speaker 1: I I always wanted to live in America. I'm not 1091 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,480 Speaker 1: entirely sure why I have. I described that in the 1092 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,720 Speaker 1: book as well, in this. In this, I had a 1093 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,960 Speaker 1: dream to move here. I had I wanted to live 1094 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,920 Speaker 1: in America. I wanted to live in America when I 1095 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,960 Speaker 1: was in high school, Like I had this. I saw 1096 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,040 Speaker 1: myself as a high school kid with like a ponytail 1097 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,280 Speaker 1: and speaking in English and all that. I'm not entirely 1098 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,960 Speaker 1: sure why, but it was always appealing to me and 1099 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,280 Speaker 1: I had no reason to do it. None of my 1100 01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,240 Speaker 1: family was ever born and raised or lived in America. 1101 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,480 Speaker 1: My entire family uses really my mom grew up in Africa. 1102 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,320 Speaker 1: And but but I just had this I just had 1103 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,080 Speaker 1: this drive. So when that producer told me that line, 1104 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,080 Speaker 1: just basically, if you he said, if you make watches, 1105 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,160 Speaker 1: you need to live in Switzerland, if you make wine, 1106 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: you need to live in France, and if you're in 1107 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,280 Speaker 1: the aintainment industry, you need to live in Los Angeles, 1108 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,840 Speaker 1: I just went, Okay, great, and I just moved just 1109 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,360 Speaker 1: like that with two suitcases and didn't know anybody. I 1110 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,960 Speaker 1: knew one person. So I'm not entirely sure why I 1111 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,800 Speaker 1: had that drivers. Obviously, I came for the entertainment industry. 1112 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 1: I came to further my career, but it shaped up 1113 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,600 Speaker 1: to be so much more important and so very different 1114 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 1: to what I thought. It's yeah, I don't know. It's 1115 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of like there's a there's a concept called the 1116 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,080 Speaker 1: share it. Do you know the concept which is a 1117 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,440 Speaker 1: Yiddish You know, it's a Yidish. It's it's usually referred 1118 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,480 Speaker 1: to a romantic love, like you're meant to be. But 1119 01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of like the concept of meant to be. 1120 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,760 Speaker 1: And when I see what I do now and how 1121 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,120 Speaker 1: am I my life turned out, I know that I'm 1122 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:07,960 Speaker 1: so much more valuable to the world from here that 1123 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,520 Speaker 1: I really was meant to be, even though it didn't 1124 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:11,880 Speaker 1: it did not work out the way I thought it 1125 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 1: was going to work out. Okay, at a record deal, 1126 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,280 Speaker 1: I thought I'm going to be Britney Spears, but that 1127 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,800 Speaker 1: didn't work out. But other things worked out in much 1128 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,440 Speaker 1: better ways and much more exciting and important, most of all, 1129 01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,040 Speaker 1: being able to talk about being able to talk about 1130 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,240 Speaker 1: anti Semitism all day long and talk about the state 1131 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 1: of Israel and make people see things differently and see 1132 01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,040 Speaker 1: where it is that they have blind spots and what 1133 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,040 Speaker 1: it is that we can make to create unity in 1134 01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,240 Speaker 1: the world. This is extraordinary. I'm very likely to be 1135 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,560 Speaker 1: able to do that. So how'd you get rid of 1136 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 1: your accent? I never had it. That's again for a second, 1137 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,960 Speaker 1: I've never had it. I never had it. And that's 1138 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,480 Speaker 1: the crazy thing, because if you ever met an Israelie, 1139 01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 1: this is you know, you can be outside of the 1140 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,720 Speaker 1: wisland for it is and you still talk him, you know, Okay, 1141 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,160 Speaker 1: as well, just what my father took like all I 1142 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,360 Speaker 1: need to do is a lot of a right And 1143 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,000 Speaker 1: there was a lot of hand talking to to the 1144 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,160 Speaker 1: people who are listening. Um, I don't know. It's a 1145 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,000 Speaker 1: part of it's a part of that mystery that had 1146 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,280 Speaker 1: me want to be here that I was in elementary 1147 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,800 Speaker 1: school and we started started learning English and I kind 1148 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,360 Speaker 1: of started speaking English with an American accident and not, 1149 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,680 Speaker 1: and my kids in class were like laughing at me. 1150 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,920 Speaker 1: I'd stand up in class and answer, give an answer, 1151 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,400 Speaker 1: and they'd be like rah rah rah, like why do 1152 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,600 Speaker 1: you have an accident? Like why don't you So it's 1153 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,280 Speaker 1: also it's a it's a part of it's a part 1154 01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,040 Speaker 1: of this weird thing that I had, I guess pat 1155 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,920 Speaker 1: to be here. But also because I'm a singer, I 1156 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,440 Speaker 1: can pretty much imitate every accent as well. So wherever 1157 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm at whatever however somebody's speaking to me, I imitated accidentally. 1158 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,080 Speaker 1: So when I'm in London or in Australia or England 1159 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,400 Speaker 1: or Australia, have to be very careful because I turned 1160 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,880 Speaker 1: into very douche con person because I start imitating the 1161 01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,160 Speaker 1: accent that I hear. So you there were no special classes, 1162 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,400 Speaker 1: no courses you didn't have to. I have never taken 1163 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:16,400 Speaker 1: a single class like dialect class. Not a single one. 1164 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,360 Speaker 1: Not a single one. Okay, So you you come to 1165 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:25,120 Speaker 1: America to act. Your book says you had a certain 1166 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:29,000 Speaker 1: level of success, but not at the level of your dream. 1167 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,760 Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that. Well, I came to 1168 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:37,439 Speaker 1: America already very successful. So I started acting at a 1169 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,120 Speaker 1: very young age, and I got I became successful around 1170 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:46,839 Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen, and super successful around the age of nineteen. 1171 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,799 Speaker 1: And the television show that I did that became basically 1172 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,840 Speaker 1: a national hit within one episode, to a point where 1173 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,560 Speaker 1: we couldn't walk down the street. It was the equivalent 1174 01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,599 Speaker 1: of like a melrose Place. It was like a nighttime 1175 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,439 Speaker 1: so opera, ridiculous but so fun. And it was the 1176 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:09,720 Speaker 1: first soap opera in Israel. And we all became overnight sensations. 1177 01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,080 Speaker 1: So I by the age of twenty one, I was 1178 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,479 Speaker 1: offered like the equivalent of the Tonight Show, like a 1179 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,960 Speaker 1: nightly evening show. I was very, very successful. I say 1180 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,400 Speaker 1: this like that because I've noticed that a lot of girls, 1181 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,240 Speaker 1: especially young girls. I do a lot of college and 1182 01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,519 Speaker 1: high school talks. They try to they talk themselves down. 1183 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,640 Speaker 1: They don't own their success. So I always say that 1184 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,519 Speaker 1: a girl's like, own your success. You did amazing, So 1185 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I try to do that myself. So I came here. 1186 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:41,280 Speaker 1: I came here already famous, and I was certain that 1187 01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,439 Speaker 1: it's going to be the same. I'm gonna be like, oh, 1188 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,240 Speaker 1: you just are going to realize that I'm a very 1189 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,800 Speaker 1: famous person from Israel and you're going to just hand 1190 01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,639 Speaker 1: me everything. And I'm like, oh, here's the most famous 1191 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,280 Speaker 1: person from France, here's the most famous person from Holland. 1192 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,599 Speaker 1: So I was a rude awakening and in that sense, 1193 01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I have to audition my 1194 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,000 Speaker 1: living crap out of everything. I had a record deal 1195 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,559 Speaker 1: as soon as I moved here with MCAM. I was 1196 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,920 Speaker 1: traveling all over the world, recording with the best people, 1197 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,679 Speaker 1: the best musician, best songwriters, like I went to Stockholm, 1198 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,160 Speaker 1: I've worked with share on people, I work like everything. 1199 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 1: And then the label folded, basically disappeared where you know 1200 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,719 Speaker 1: when it merged into Universal, and I was left with nothing. 1201 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:29,040 Speaker 1: So it was a very challenging few years of getting 1202 01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,519 Speaker 1: very close to something but not getting it, and the 1203 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,160 Speaker 1: label do like I'm getting this huge record deal that 1204 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,080 Speaker 1: is a huge, huge thing, and then the label fold. 1205 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:46,360 Speaker 1: So I had a few years of humbling that I 1206 01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,040 Speaker 1: appreciate now, I really do. I don't think I would 1207 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,639 Speaker 1: have been able to handle everything that I'm handling now 1208 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,639 Speaker 1: if I was successful at that level at that age. 1209 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,479 Speaker 1: I was too young for it. That's one thing to 1210 01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,080 Speaker 1: be successful in Israel, but it's a whole story in America. 1211 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,040 Speaker 1: But you do have acting credits, and you do have 1212 01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,120 Speaker 1: an acting career. I do, I do, and I did, 1213 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,200 Speaker 1: and you know, all the trucks in the house say yay, 1214 01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,639 Speaker 1: said star trek. I didn't even realize it's a big deal. 1215 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,720 Speaker 1: And I did it. Yes, I did. I did. I 1216 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,479 Speaker 1: was working. I was a working actress. A lot of 1217 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,080 Speaker 1: fans in the industry. The industry was lovely to me. 1218 01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,280 Speaker 1: It was never the breakthrough that I wanted. The biggest 1219 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,200 Speaker 1: breakthrough actually came with producing. When I a part of 1220 01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,880 Speaker 1: you were asking what kind of a child I was, 1221 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,360 Speaker 1: or what kind of a kid I was, and the 1222 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,080 Speaker 1: driven and committed and all of that. That didn't stop 1223 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:41,360 Speaker 1: when I moved to America. So I had ants in 1224 01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:46,760 Speaker 1: my pants even here. As a young adult. I was 1225 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,200 Speaker 1: auditioning and getting roles and whatever. But I kept looking 1226 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,600 Speaker 1: for projects to produce because I was like, I'm not 1227 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,519 Speaker 1: going to just sit down and be quiet a bored. 1228 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm annoyed, I'm not ful failed. I need to do more. 1229 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 1: So I was looking for projects to produce. I was 1230 01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,320 Speaker 1: working on a documentary format. I was creating a bunch 1231 01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,960 Speaker 1: of formats. And then I heard about an Israeli show 1232 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:16,000 Speaker 1: that's called Mittipura, which was basically two people sitting around 1233 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,040 Speaker 1: and having a conversation. So I was a therapist sitting 1234 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,519 Speaker 1: with a patient in a room talking and I heard 1235 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,719 Speaker 1: that concept and I'm like, oh my god, this is brilliant, right, 1236 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,280 Speaker 1: And I, at the time was on a show called Coupling, 1237 01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:35,200 Speaker 1: which was a British format that NBC adopted. So I'm 1238 01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,519 Speaker 1: kind of going. I went to Israel for two days 1239 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,639 Speaker 1: or a couple of days for my nieces. But Mitzvo 1240 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,040 Speaker 1: and everybody, we're talking about that show and how brilliant 1241 01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:44,960 Speaker 1: it is. You have to watch it. You have to 1242 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,360 Speaker 1: watch it. If you watch it. And I'm sitting in 1243 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,720 Speaker 1: a car driving with my manager and she turns to 1244 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,720 Speaker 1: me and she goes, oh my god, have you seen Battipoolia. 1245 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,200 Speaker 1: You have to watch this show, and I had one 1246 01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,200 Speaker 1: of these aha moments again. I had like till like 1247 01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,080 Speaker 1: a light bulb went above my head. And I turned 1248 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,360 Speaker 1: to her and I'm kind of going, oh my god, 1249 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,080 Speaker 1: this is it's a format. It has to be a format. 1250 01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,920 Speaker 1: And I turned to her and I said, do you 1251 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,000 Speaker 1: know the creator? And she said yes, and I'm like, 1252 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,320 Speaker 1: do you have his number? She said yes, so call him, 1253 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,479 Speaker 1: call him right now. And mind you haven't watched the 1254 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,400 Speaker 1: frame of the show, right So she calls him up 1255 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:20,639 Speaker 1: and I pick up the phone and I go, Hi, 1256 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,320 Speaker 1: this is no tice me. I'm leaving town tomorrow to 1257 01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,960 Speaker 1: go back to LA. We need to meet tomorrow morning. 1258 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,320 Speaker 1: And it's not about what you think it is, because 1259 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:29,760 Speaker 1: I didn't want him to think that I want like 1260 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,240 Speaker 1: a roll and a show right right. So then I 1261 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:34,880 Speaker 1: hang up the phone. I turned to her and I'm like, 1262 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,559 Speaker 1: cand you get me a DVDs of the show because 1263 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,559 Speaker 1: I haven't watched it. But it was so clear to 1264 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:42,880 Speaker 1: me that this was my format, because the idea was 1265 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,960 Speaker 1: so simple and so brilliant, and the execution was clearly 1266 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,680 Speaker 1: brilliant because everybody was talking about it. So she, of 1267 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,840 Speaker 1: course I get the DVD that afternoon, I watched it. 1268 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm floored. I'm like, this is this is it, this 1269 01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,519 Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do. I'm going to bring the 1270 01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:01,400 Speaker 1: first Israeli television show from Israel to America and I'm 1271 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,600 Speaker 1: going to sell it as a show. So I go 1272 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,240 Speaker 1: and meet the guy and I said, what's going on 1273 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:08,639 Speaker 1: with the show And he's like, oh, I started working 1274 01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,080 Speaker 1: on second season. I'm like, I stopped it. I go, 1275 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to sell your show to HBO and he 1276 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,479 Speaker 1: looks at me as if I'm insane because at the time, 1277 01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,439 Speaker 1: this never happened before, obviously, and it's so never happened 1278 01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:25,160 Speaker 1: before that there wasn't even a remake claw in the 1279 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,040 Speaker 1: contract of the creators and the network. That wasn't even 1280 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,240 Speaker 1: addressed like a remake or international format right sale. It 1281 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,080 Speaker 1: just was not. It didn't exist at all in the 1282 01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:39,360 Speaker 1: reality of anybody. So he's like okay, and he I'm like, 1283 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,080 Speaker 1: do you have a translated copy. It's like yes, I 1284 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,439 Speaker 1: actually do, because I'm sending it to some Jewish festival 1285 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,120 Speaker 1: somewhere and I'm like, great, can I get it. He's 1286 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,240 Speaker 1: like sure, So he gives me a translated copy of 1287 01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,280 Speaker 1: the first five episodes, and again I'm a plane back 1288 01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,880 Speaker 1: to LA and I'm thinking, how the fuck do I 1289 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,720 Speaker 1: sell a show to HBO? I don't know how to 1290 01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,320 Speaker 1: do no idea how to do that. I literally had 1291 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,200 Speaker 1: no idea how to that. I knew that I have 1292 01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,840 Speaker 1: a brilliant concept, a brilliant show that needs to be 1293 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,240 Speaker 1: an American show. So I come back to LA and 1294 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,559 Speaker 1: I start making calls. My first calls to my lawyer 1295 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,720 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I have a show from Israel, and 1296 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:20,200 Speaker 1: he goes, good for you. I'm like, no, it's a format. 1297 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:21,880 Speaker 1: It's like, what do you mean? And I'm like, the 1298 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,880 Speaker 1: same way that we adopt shows from the UK, We're 1299 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:26,719 Speaker 1: going to adopt this from Israel. Like it's a brilliant 1300 01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,920 Speaker 1: show we should do. Like I'm pitching people on adopting 1301 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,479 Speaker 1: a show from Israel. Long story short, I brought the 1302 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,240 Speaker 1: show to Stephen Levinson at leverage in Mark Wahlberg, and 1303 01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,080 Speaker 1: we sold at HBO and it did four seasons and 1304 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,559 Speaker 1: over one hundred and forty episodes, fourteen Emmas, and Golden 1305 01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,120 Speaker 1: Globe domination, a Peabody Award, Like it did so well, 1306 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,320 Speaker 1: And what happened as a result of that show was 1307 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,439 Speaker 1: that it created a market where market didn't exist before. 1308 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,320 Speaker 1: And that market is an Israeli television show in the 1309 01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:02,200 Speaker 1: US and television format sales in the US, and so 1310 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 1: many people don't A lot of people know like Fauda 1311 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,720 Speaker 1: and shows like that, which are brilliant, but a lot 1312 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,400 Speaker 1: of people don't know. So many of the shows that 1313 01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,519 Speaker 1: we love are actually based on Israeli format. It's like 1314 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:18,000 Speaker 1: Euphoria is an Israeli show. So I have a tendency 1315 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,920 Speaker 1: to do things first when you kind of look back 1316 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,080 Speaker 1: in my history, and this was one of those things 1317 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,280 Speaker 1: that I'm the most proud of because it just it 1318 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:33,559 Speaker 1: changed the Israeli market forever, changed a lot in the 1319 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:38,160 Speaker 1: American market, and it's it changed the perception of Israel 1320 01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:43,840 Speaker 1: within within Hollywood. It really changed that. And of course 1321 01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:48,080 Speaker 1: the show on HBO was called in treatment Um. One 1322 01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,760 Speaker 1: other element in your book, you talk about the Israeli 1323 01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:55,479 Speaker 1: personality that a woman wouldn't expect a man to open 1324 01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:00,639 Speaker 1: the card door restaurant and told offended. I was offended. 1325 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,960 Speaker 1: I was offended. That's a true story. I the Israeli 1326 01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,720 Speaker 1: personality is it's what's called a saber, right. So a 1327 01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,080 Speaker 1: lot of people are like, oh, you're a sober if 1328 01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,519 Speaker 1: you were born at Israel. But the reason it's a 1329 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,040 Speaker 1: sober is because it's spikey from the inside and sweet 1330 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,040 Speaker 1: from the spikey from the outside and sweet from the inside. Right, 1331 01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:22,920 Speaker 1: there is an urgency to being in Israeli that can 1332 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:27,400 Speaker 1: be translated into rudeness very easily. So if you met 1333 01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,439 Speaker 1: in Israeli in your life, you know that there's kind 1334 01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,840 Speaker 1: of like an abruptness and kind of like an aggressiveness 1335 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,160 Speaker 1: and kind of and this comes from the pressure cooker 1336 01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:39,040 Speaker 1: that we live under. So there's no time for pleasant 1337 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,479 Speaker 1: reason and politeness. The downside of it is that there's 1338 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,360 Speaker 1: no time for pleasant reas and politeness, so it's a 1339 01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,040 Speaker 1: look rude. The good side about it is that you 1340 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,680 Speaker 1: always know where you stand. You always know where you 1341 01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,880 Speaker 1: stand with in Israeliti. And it is something that, as 1342 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,759 Speaker 1: in Israeli, was very difficult for me to decipher because 1343 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,120 Speaker 1: I didn't understand when people were saying great, but they 1344 01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,760 Speaker 1: didn't mean great, they meant no thank you. Right, So 1345 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,559 Speaker 1: I am the kind of friend and the kind of 1346 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,360 Speaker 1: person that I'm straight up, I just find it to 1347 01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,240 Speaker 1: be easier. I had to tone myself down in a 1348 01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,000 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways and also allow men to 1349 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,960 Speaker 1: open the door for me. I'm a big fan of 1350 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,479 Speaker 1: that now. But the story that you're referring to is 1351 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:21,000 Speaker 1: my first boyfriend in la who is an Australian actor, 1352 01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,160 Speaker 1: and he is very kind of like gentleman in a 1353 01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,960 Speaker 1: in an old school way, and he came to pick 1354 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,080 Speaker 1: me up and when we walked to his car, he 1355 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,519 Speaker 1: opened the door and I looked at him and I'm like, 1356 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,679 Speaker 1: what are you doing. He's like, I'm opening the door 1357 01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,519 Speaker 1: for you. I'm like, why, I can get the door. 1358 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,800 Speaker 1: It's fine. I was offended. I was annoyed. It annoyed me. 1359 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,880 Speaker 1: So I'm not like that anymore. Very much want people 1360 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,720 Speaker 1: to open the door for me. I'm okay with that. 1361 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,640 Speaker 1: Doesn't take away from my strength or right or my 1362 01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,800 Speaker 1: or anything else. But but yeah, this is the Israeli way. 1363 01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,800 Speaker 1: Is a lot more. It's a lot more in your face, 1364 01:18:55,240 --> 01:19:00,280 Speaker 1: but it's real. It's real. It's real. You'll know and 1365 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,720 Speaker 1: if somebody is if somebody doesn't like you, you'll know it. 1366 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,240 Speaker 1: But if somebody is your friend, you can count on 1367 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:09,240 Speaker 1: that forever. Okay. You have a long history of knowing 1368 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:13,600 Speaker 1: what you want seeing it and getting it being very agile, 1369 01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,880 Speaker 1: sometimes not getting it, by the way. But that's let 1370 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,960 Speaker 1: me continue here. How does that affect your love life 1371 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,639 Speaker 1: and your interaction with women someone who's so strong and successful. Okay, 1372 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,479 Speaker 1: these are such great questions, but they're two very separate questions. 1373 01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm all about women. My girlfriends are the most important 1374 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,680 Speaker 1: thing for me up and then my son. Obviously, I 1375 01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:42,280 Speaker 1: have four sisters, so I am a huge My interaction 1376 01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,840 Speaker 1: with women is amazing, and women actually they sense that. 1377 01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,840 Speaker 1: So the majority of my followers are women. I get 1378 01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,400 Speaker 1: I meet like kids when I speak in colleges and 1379 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:53,760 Speaker 1: I can't in high schools, and I can't tell you 1380 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:54,960 Speaker 1: how many times they come to me and like, oh 1381 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,400 Speaker 1: my god, my mom loves you. Like women get me 1382 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,559 Speaker 1: down level. They know that I'm a girl's girl, through 1383 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,800 Speaker 1: and through. There's no question about that. Every girl right 1384 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,680 Speaker 1: now is listening to it if she don't know me, 1385 01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,479 Speaker 1: and she looks through my stuff, and I'm a girls girl. 1386 01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,760 Speaker 1: I have four sisters. Women camaraderie is one of the 1387 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,599 Speaker 1: most important things in the world. When I had, like 1388 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,519 Speaker 1: when I have meldowns in my life, I got like 1389 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,240 Speaker 1: my girlfriend's showing up in my LA kitchen, sitting around 1390 01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:26,960 Speaker 1: and I mean, it's so important to me. It's I 1391 01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,880 Speaker 1: think it's one of the most important things in human 1392 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,519 Speaker 1: interaction is the relationship between women. I think that if 1393 01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,200 Speaker 1: a woman does not have that, it's such a loss, 1394 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,000 Speaker 1: and I feel for her. I think she should every 1395 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,880 Speaker 1: woman that doesn't have that need to go out and 1396 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:45,320 Speaker 1: seek it. I have extraordinary group of girls around me 1397 01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,879 Speaker 1: in La, in Tel Aviv, in New York, in Sydney, 1398 01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,040 Speaker 1: and I have my girls crew everywhere. And I also, 1399 01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I have a WhatsApp group with my two 1400 01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:59,360 Speaker 1: best girlfriends from elementary school, from fourth grade, but we 1401 01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,920 Speaker 1: still have what's up group like a carrying relationships for decades. 1402 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,080 Speaker 1: And my girls are my tribe, like my tribe um. 1403 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:16,120 Speaker 1: In terms of relationships, I I'm looking forward to my 1404 01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:22,240 Speaker 1: third relationship. I am. I was married, so I had 1405 01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,840 Speaker 1: I had two long term relationships and two you know, 1406 01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,760 Speaker 1: seven and a half eight year relationship. They were great relationships, 1407 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:34,320 Speaker 1: but they didn't end up continuing. Well. Just to be clear, 1408 01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,280 Speaker 1: Just to be clear here for a second, people say 1409 01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,680 Speaker 1: that they broke up it's mutual. It's never mutual. I 1410 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,519 Speaker 1: would think knowing you your personality that in both of 1411 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:50,759 Speaker 1: these cases you were the one who blew the whistle, Bob, 1412 01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,800 Speaker 1: you would be so surprised. And right now, if my 1413 01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,760 Speaker 1: girls are listening all the way through, they're laughing their 1414 01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:01,479 Speaker 1: asses off right now, they really are. Look, I have 1415 01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:07,680 Speaker 1: a son, so I won't publicly talk about specifically, not 1416 01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,519 Speaker 1: the relationship with his dad where great co parents were 1417 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:19,320 Speaker 1: working on raising raising our son together. And I'm just 1418 01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,599 Speaker 1: I think that I don't know, It's it's an interesting question. 1419 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,800 Speaker 1: I didn't realize we're going to go there. Right. I'm 1420 01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,160 Speaker 1: a very couply person, so it's very bizarre that I 1421 01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,840 Speaker 1: didn't that they both didn't last. You know, I'm a 1422 01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,639 Speaker 1: very couply person, so it'll be interesting. They say third 1423 01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,960 Speaker 1: times a charm, right, Well, well, why why did the 1424 01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:42,479 Speaker 1: why did the two relationships not work out? What are 1425 01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:48,080 Speaker 1: we having this? What kind of a conversation is that? Um? Well, 1426 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:49,800 Speaker 1: I can talk about the first one because he went 1427 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,880 Speaker 1: public with it. So the first one did not work 1428 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:57,280 Speaker 1: out because he's a lovely guy. He was an addict, 1429 01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,639 Speaker 1: um And I didn't know he was an addict when 1430 01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:06,439 Speaker 1: we got together and we got married, and we we 1431 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,439 Speaker 1: stuck through it as much as we could, but it 1432 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:15,320 Speaker 1: destroyed the relationship. And again, the only reason I'm talking 1433 01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,880 Speaker 1: about is because he he's a he's a He wrote 1434 01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,559 Speaker 1: a book about it, and he went public. He went 1435 01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:25,040 Speaker 1: public with it, So I didn't. I didn't know to 1436 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,479 Speaker 1: recognize the signs. I mean, in retrospect now I should 1437 01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,599 Speaker 1: have known, but I could I couldn't have known, right, 1438 01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:38,920 Speaker 1: But that's why that didn't work out. And the second one, 1439 01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,479 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't discuss this. I have a son. 1440 01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:47,320 Speaker 1: I can't. It was it was challenging, but it's not 1441 01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,080 Speaker 1: what you are alluding to her thinking. I will tell 1442 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,400 Speaker 1: you once the mica is off. How about that, Okay, Okay, 1443 01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,760 Speaker 1: I don't need to press you. Okay, So I will 1444 01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,040 Speaker 1: just like I have a son. It's I have to 1445 01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,080 Speaker 1: be careful and everything that's out there for him to 1446 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:06,360 Speaker 1: be Like what, Okay, So you're talking about this hypothetical 1447 01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:12,400 Speaker 1: third relationship. Yes, are you actively seeking it? I think 1448 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,880 Speaker 1: that so. I we broke up about two and a 1449 01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,000 Speaker 1: half years ago, almost two and a half years ago, 1450 01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,599 Speaker 1: and I think I'm only I was not interested in 1451 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,439 Speaker 1: one up until now. I needed to sort things out first. 1452 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:26,200 Speaker 1: I was a bit dramatic and there are a lot 1453 01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,439 Speaker 1: of things that were happening. So I was not open 1454 01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:33,519 Speaker 1: to it. I think I am. I am open to 1455 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,599 Speaker 1: it now, so yeah, well let's see what happens. Well, 1456 01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, are you know, would you be set up 1457 01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,599 Speaker 1: with friends, or you meet people through life, or would 1458 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,400 Speaker 1: you go on a dating site or any of that. 1459 01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,040 Speaker 1: I don't go on dating sites. I've never been on 1460 01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:47,720 Speaker 1: a dating site. I'd like to keep it that way. 1461 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,240 Speaker 1: I get introduced to people, people are interested in setting 1462 01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,439 Speaker 1: me up. I'm not. I'm in a great place in 1463 01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:59,120 Speaker 1: life for a woman, not for a woman, just generally 1464 01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:00,680 Speaker 1: for a human being. I think that we need to 1465 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,519 Speaker 1: be in a place in which we're happy with ourselves 1466 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,200 Speaker 1: and happy like I have a great son, I have 1467 01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:08,439 Speaker 1: a great life of incredible friends. I'm a very couply person, 1468 01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,479 Speaker 1: and I want somebody that would compliment me and I 1469 01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,880 Speaker 1: would compliment him, like I want to be able to 1470 01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,519 Speaker 1: find my share it, to find my lobster, my ride 1471 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,800 Speaker 1: or die the friend. The person's going to enjoy all 1472 01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,920 Speaker 1: of it with me, you know, and we'll see if 1473 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,000 Speaker 1: they're out there. It's so bizarre. I have never Bob, 1474 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,800 Speaker 1: can I tell you something? It's only in Israel that 1475 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,200 Speaker 1: I get asked these questions. In America, I never get 1476 01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,400 Speaker 1: asked these questions. And Israel they know me for so 1477 01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,439 Speaker 1: many years and they've been through like the media has 1478 01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,479 Speaker 1: been with me since I was a teen, so they 1479 01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,000 Speaker 1: always ask these questions and they're like about children in 1480 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:42,880 Speaker 1: marriage and divorce and all that. This is the first 1481 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,960 Speaker 1: time I'm ever talking about this in America. I'm so confronted, 1482 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,160 Speaker 1: Like well, as I say, I'm already asking as a person, 1483 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,559 Speaker 1: this has got more to do with my identity asking 1484 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,800 Speaker 1: these questions than your fame. But just I love talking 1485 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,919 Speaker 1: about It's not about fame, It's just about I'm in America. 1486 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,559 Speaker 1: My work is so overshadowing my personality and my personal life. 1487 01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,040 Speaker 1: I didn't even talk about I only recorded like a 1488 01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,559 Speaker 1: video that talks about me being a single mom or recently, 1489 01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,599 Speaker 1: and I haven't posted it yet, so I don't even 1490 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:14,120 Speaker 1: talk about it publicly. It's pretty clear from my social 1491 01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,839 Speaker 1: media that I there's a son, but there's no husband. 1492 01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:21,519 Speaker 1: So but it's yeah, it's interesting. I think people think 1493 01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,160 Speaker 1: that I'm like a lot more of a ballbuster. I 1494 01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,160 Speaker 1: always say about myself that I'm a Labrador and a 1495 01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,240 Speaker 1: leopard skin. That's the truth. Wait to say that one 1496 01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:32,560 Speaker 1: more time. I'm a labrador in a leopard skin. I 1497 01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,040 Speaker 1: look like I'm this ball but whatever, But I'm just 1498 01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm not so you know, somebody can see through that. Then, 1499 01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:43,680 Speaker 1: going back to the initial question, are men intimidated by 1500 01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:51,599 Speaker 1: your success? Personality, beauty, etc. Um. I'd like to say no, 1501 01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,360 Speaker 1: but it's I don't know. Are you intimidated by it? 1502 01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,960 Speaker 1: Do you think it would be intimidating for a guy? Well, 1503 01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm dead straight. I mean this is not 1504 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,400 Speaker 1: only you specifically. You know, this isn't all the immediate 1505 01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,479 Speaker 1: at this point that you have these successful women and 1506 01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,800 Speaker 1: there's a limited pool of successful men and should they 1507 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,599 Speaker 1: date down? And then you have all these successful men 1508 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:17,439 Speaker 1: who want to date down and you're successful in a 1509 01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,559 Speaker 1: way beyond just career, And I was wondering how that 1510 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,880 Speaker 1: would affect dating prospects with a certain people would say, hey, 1511 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,640 Speaker 1: I want to date someone that successful, or would you 1512 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:31,280 Speaker 1: comminently say I don't want to date someone that unsuccessful. 1513 01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,559 Speaker 1: I don't say anything to me. It's about the people 1514 01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,400 Speaker 1: I've never dated in my life. I've never I've never 1515 01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:46,040 Speaker 1: I've had opportunity to date very big people, famous and 1516 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:49,080 Speaker 1: successful and rich and whatever. I never cared about that. 1517 01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,439 Speaker 1: The joke among my friends that I didn't and they're like, 1518 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, they're like, just could you date a billionaire now? 1519 01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like no, because it's never been a parameter, 1520 01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,720 Speaker 1: so it's not going to be now. I don't know 1521 01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,680 Speaker 1: what to tell you in terms of if men are 1522 01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,639 Speaker 1: intimidated or not. Maybe maybe not. I'm not entirely sure. 1523 01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't see myself like that, but that's why I 1524 01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,720 Speaker 1: asked you, would you be intimidate? Are you into is 1525 01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:18,479 Speaker 1: it intimidating? I'm not the regular guy, you know, the 1526 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,479 Speaker 1: regular guy who has big on image and has his 1527 01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:27,960 Speaker 1: check book whatever, and that's you know, I would think 1528 01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:32,439 Speaker 1: generally speaking, men would be. Then there's an elite level 1529 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,719 Speaker 1: of people who are billionaires and very successful like that, 1530 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,639 Speaker 1: and that's they have different criteria. But the average person 1531 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,080 Speaker 1: is earning a living and doing well, driving a German 1532 01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,680 Speaker 1: car or a tesla. I think that they might be intimidated. 1533 01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:50,760 Speaker 1: But moving on from this, the conventional wisdom is that 1534 01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:55,640 Speaker 1: the Israelis and the Danes make the best television forgetting 1535 01:28:55,680 --> 01:29:00,360 Speaker 1: the Danes. Why is this? Rayleigh television so good. It's 1536 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:05,320 Speaker 1: such a great question invention, like necessity is the mother 1537 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:09,919 Speaker 1: of all invention. That's legitimately why the reason Israeli television 1538 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,120 Speaker 1: is so good, and it really is so good, is 1539 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,960 Speaker 1: because number one, there's no money. There's no money in 1540 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,200 Speaker 1: the industry. There's only nine million people to sell the 1541 01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,760 Speaker 1: product too, so to begin with, there's no budget, right, 1542 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,120 Speaker 1: and those people are extraordinarily sophisticated. So it's a sophisticated 1543 01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:32,920 Speaker 1: audience that doesn't take bullshit and would not stick around 1544 01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,639 Speaker 1: if the show is not good. And when you create 1545 01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:42,240 Speaker 1: a show, you cannot rely on explosions, helicopters, special effects, monsters. 1546 01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,000 Speaker 1: You can't. You have to make sure that the show 1547 01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,679 Speaker 1: is great. It's written really well, like a song that's 1548 01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,080 Speaker 1: written on a guitar and you can play it and 1549 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,960 Speaker 1: it's brilliant without all the productions in the rigor moole. 1550 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,160 Speaker 1: That's what Israeli television is. That's why in treatment is 1551 01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,839 Speaker 1: so great. That's why Homeland with such a huge success, 1552 01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,880 Speaker 1: That's why You four is so great, because it's characters 1553 01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,719 Speaker 1: and its stories and its people, and that's what Israeli 1554 01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,280 Speaker 1: people like. And because Israelitis, there's so much like Americans culturally, 1555 01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,960 Speaker 1: whatever works there can work here. So it's it's just 1556 01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:15,760 Speaker 1: there's no it's almost like there's no miracle to it. 1557 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:17,799 Speaker 1: When you know the Israeli culture and you know American culture, 1558 01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:21,200 Speaker 1: you know why the television there, why it works. Okay, 1559 01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,799 Speaker 1: other than in treatment, name your three favorite Israeli television shows, 1560 01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, Well, honestly, it's a show that 1561 01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,720 Speaker 1: you're never going to hear about because it's called is 1562 01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,240 Speaker 1: a sketch comedy show that's never going to be able 1563 01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:39,680 Speaker 1: to be adapted because it's so specific. But it's absolutely brilliant. 1564 01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:46,479 Speaker 1: It's the most biting political commentary that you have ever seen, 1565 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,160 Speaker 1: way harsher than America. So what they'll do there, Like 1566 01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,080 Speaker 1: you think SNL is biting, it's nothing compared to what 1567 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:57,000 Speaker 1: they do there. They turn politics into a circus in 1568 01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,400 Speaker 1: the cleverest of way. So I would say this is 1569 01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,559 Speaker 1: probably my most favorite show. It's been going on for 1570 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:07,160 Speaker 1: twenty years or something. It's it's absolutely brilliant. That's number one. 1571 01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:10,080 Speaker 1: Number two. I think the show is now. This show 1572 01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:11,960 Speaker 1: is now in Hulu, but I'm not one hundred percent sure. 1573 01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,960 Speaker 1: It's called Rehearsals. And it was a show that was 1574 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:21,439 Speaker 1: created by the public broadcaster con eleven. And it's again 1575 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,840 Speaker 1: very small show about a couple that used to be 1576 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,400 Speaker 1: a couple and they wrote a play about themselves and 1577 01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:32,519 Speaker 1: then the play becomes they buy the theater, buys a play, 1578 01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,679 Speaker 1: but their relationship breaks apart. So very small, relationship driven, 1579 01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:40,000 Speaker 1: brilliant show. It's called rehearsals. Look it up. It's amazing. 1580 01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:46,599 Speaker 1: That's two. That's two a third do we need a third? 1581 01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,559 Speaker 1: Can I get back to you on them? I'm sure 1582 01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,920 Speaker 1: they're amazing ones. Don't let me think I mean, i'd 1583 01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,000 Speaker 1: say foud up. Let's say found up because it's amazing. 1584 01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,760 Speaker 1: Everybody can watch Fouder on Netflix. It's brilliant. If you 1585 01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,479 Speaker 1: haven't gotten addicted yet for it, I would go with 1586 01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:08,280 Speaker 1: Prisoners of War and True Gear. Oh my god, stop, sorry, sorry, 1587 01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,880 Speaker 1: I'm changing my mind, and I'm putting Prisoners of War 1588 01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,240 Speaker 1: there number one. First of all because it's the best 1589 01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,200 Speaker 1: Israeli television show of all time, and second because the 1590 01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:19,960 Speaker 1: creator is my best friend and he's going to kill 1591 01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,880 Speaker 1: me rightfully, so I can't believe it didn't think Prisoners 1592 01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:30,040 Speaker 1: of War. I'm so sorry. Prisoners of war number one. Okay, 1593 01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,200 Speaker 1: so all these people I've I've seen a lot of 1594 01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,720 Speaker 1: Israeli television and you tend to see the same actors 1595 01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,280 Speaker 1: and actresses. You know, So what kind of economic life 1596 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:45,400 Speaker 1: would those people have? Not easy? It's not. A television 1597 01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:50,280 Speaker 1: show in Israel does not. If you're an actor, you 1598 01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,920 Speaker 1: need to do everything. So in Israel, you if you're 1599 01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,080 Speaker 1: an actor only doing a TV show. I'm like in America, 1600 01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,320 Speaker 1: if you do one TV show here that's successful, you're 1601 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,280 Speaker 1: set over there. You need to do TV. You need 1602 01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,160 Speaker 1: to do theater. You need to do voiceovers and campaigns 1603 01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:08,400 Speaker 1: and live shows and stand ups and commercials and a 1604 01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,200 Speaker 1: lot of different things. So it's again there's no budget, 1605 01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:14,360 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a tough life in that sense. 1606 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:15,800 Speaker 1: You have to do a lot of things in order 1607 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:25,240 Speaker 1: to actually make a living as an actor in Israel. Okay, 1608 01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,160 Speaker 1: let's go back to you. So what does an average 1609 01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:32,200 Speaker 1: week or an average month look like? Now? They vary. So, 1610 01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,439 Speaker 1: first of all, I travel all the time, So there's 1611 01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,120 Speaker 1: I do. I started a college campus tour now, so 1612 01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,640 Speaker 1: I travel, I go to speak on college as I 1613 01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:45,360 Speaker 1: started with Berkeley, or as we wait a little bit, 1614 01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,400 Speaker 1: a little bit slower. How did this get set up? 1615 01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:52,160 Speaker 1: And do you get compensated? I do get compensated. I 1616 01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,240 Speaker 1: mean there's a there's a it's a discounter price for colleges. 1617 01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:56,960 Speaker 1: So I and I do a lot of high schools 1618 01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:01,160 Speaker 1: as well for you know, nothing basically, but but it's UM, 1619 01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:06,320 Speaker 1: I travel a lot. I travel a lot. How do 1620 01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,640 Speaker 1: you get those gigs? I have a speaking agent and 1621 01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,680 Speaker 1: they contact him and he reaches out and now they 1622 01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,439 Speaker 1: know to talk to him if they if they want 1623 01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,160 Speaker 1: to book me to go and to go and speak. 1624 01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,040 Speaker 1: But the college campus store for me is one of 1625 01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:22,320 Speaker 1: the most exciting ones because because of what's happening with 1626 01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,879 Speaker 1: BDS on college campuses, because anti Zionism and anti Semitism 1627 01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:31,400 Speaker 1: on campuses is so extreme. I love going to college campuses. 1628 01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:35,720 Speaker 1: I started with Berkeley or as let's let's slow down there. 1629 01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:41,320 Speaker 1: Berkeley is uh is a hotbed of political activity. He 1630 01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:45,559 Speaker 1: who hosted your speech? In two? How many people came? 1631 01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,799 Speaker 1: Great question? So, first of all, I wasn't actually a speech. 1632 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,559 Speaker 1: So I went to Berkeley because, um, there was an 1633 01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,000 Speaker 1: article that came out a few a couple of months 1634 01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:00,800 Speaker 1: ago about the fact that at Berkeley Law School, some 1635 01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:05,600 Speaker 1: student groups have outlawed in their by laws, basically in 1636 01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,360 Speaker 1: their constitution. They outlawed any speaker to come and speak 1637 01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:13,360 Speaker 1: to them if they support Israel or Zionism, effectively creating 1638 01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,519 Speaker 1: a what the article was referring to as a Jewish 1639 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:21,000 Speaker 1: free zone. So the campus university try to say it's 1640 01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,120 Speaker 1: only nine groups in the campus, but the problem is 1641 01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:28,400 Speaker 1: that these groups were the women's groups, the LGBTQ group, 1642 01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:34,160 Speaker 1: the Asian Pacific us of big, big groups called student groups. 1643 01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:43,160 Speaker 1: So the kids on Berkeley have been feeling alienated, discriminated against, 1644 01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,599 Speaker 1: marginalized for a very long time. And this was kind 1645 01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:50,160 Speaker 1: of like the straw. The broke their backs and they 1646 01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,320 Speaker 1: reach out to me and they asked They asked me 1647 01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,680 Speaker 1: basically if I want to go, and I said absolutely, 1648 01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,240 Speaker 1: I'll go. And I just asked them, what do they need? 1649 01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:00,800 Speaker 1: What do they want me to do? So they asked me, 1650 01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,120 Speaker 1: that's the Jewish groups, the Jewish groups on Berkeley, jew 1651 01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,040 Speaker 1: students groups on Berkeley. They said they wanted me to 1652 01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:08,479 Speaker 1: first of all, come and hang out with them and 1653 01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:10,599 Speaker 1: have dinner. So I came over and I hung out 1654 01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,960 Speaker 1: at the hilll and sat with the students and chatted 1655 01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,880 Speaker 1: to them and to see how they're doing. They're not 1656 01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:20,920 Speaker 1: doing well. They're very concerned and feel alienated. And I 1657 01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,200 Speaker 1: heard some horrific stories about that. And then the next 1658 01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:26,599 Speaker 1: day they wanted me to do what's called the tabling event. 1659 01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,080 Speaker 1: So and that's what they wanted me to do. So 1660 01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:30,640 Speaker 1: they didn't want me to come and speak at the 1661 01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:32,760 Speaker 1: hill El. They want me to be out there on 1662 01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:36,200 Speaker 1: the main plaza and put a table and have conversations 1663 01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:40,120 Speaker 1: with people. And I said, okay, great, I'll do that. 1664 01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:41,920 Speaker 1: And they said, you put it basically, put a sign 1665 01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,240 Speaker 1: above the table and you just kind of reach out 1666 01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:47,080 Speaker 1: to students and have conversations. So I said, sure, I'll 1667 01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,559 Speaker 1: do that. And I said, I'm going to have the table. 1668 01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:54,840 Speaker 1: Sign above the table say anti Zionism is anti Semitism. 1669 01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:58,280 Speaker 1: Let's have a chat. And I did that and it 1670 01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:02,080 Speaker 1: was horrible. It was absent, horrible. I was there for 1671 01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:05,240 Speaker 1: four hours. The video is on my Instagram and or 1672 01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,960 Speaker 1: my social media and on YouTube. Is well, I think, 1673 01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:12,760 Speaker 1: but it's I was attacked. I was yelled at, I 1674 01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,240 Speaker 1: was harassed, I was ignored, I was ganged up on. 1675 01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:20,599 Speaker 1: I didn't want to bring security because I don't want 1676 01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:22,960 Speaker 1: to change my life because of the work that I do. 1677 01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:26,200 Speaker 1: But the people that I was going with basically ruled 1678 01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:27,760 Speaker 1: out and said at some point, like a day before 1679 01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,479 Speaker 1: that I can know overay, just gonna have security there 1680 01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:34,559 Speaker 1: for you. So there was playing clothes carrying security guy, 1681 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,439 Speaker 1: and I was very happy that he was there because 1682 01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,760 Speaker 1: I was scared, like legitimately scared. I was. I was 1683 01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:45,519 Speaker 1: attacked so badly. Well a little bit more, a little 1684 01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,280 Speaker 1: bit more specifically, what happened enough with the yelling, the 1685 01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:52,360 Speaker 1: blood on your hands and you're enough with the killing, 1686 01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I had people ganging up on me 1687 01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,960 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to have conversations and they don't want 1688 01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,880 Speaker 1: to have conversation. There was demonstrations, there was yelling those 1689 01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,840 Speaker 1: you know you should just you can check out the video. 1690 01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:07,320 Speaker 1: It's it's extreme. It's extreme. And I walked out of 1691 01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,120 Speaker 1: there after four hours, and I'm thinking, oh my god, 1692 01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. This is terrible. And this's just me for 1693 01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,360 Speaker 1: four hours. What are the Jewish kids on campus are 1694 01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,840 Speaker 1: going through? How did they feel? And the answer is 1695 01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:20,160 Speaker 1: they feel terrible. College campuses right now, in terms of 1696 01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:24,799 Speaker 1: anti Semitism and anti Israel sentiment is a hotbed. It's horrible. 1697 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:29,439 Speaker 1: We hear reports that student Jewish students on campus only 1698 01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:32,920 Speaker 1: feel safe in Jewish spaces. It's to what to the 1699 01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:34,759 Speaker 1: point that I was saying before, it's like, you're Jewish, 1700 01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,639 Speaker 1: don't ask, don't tell. As long as you're not telling anybody, 1701 01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,800 Speaker 1: as long as you're not out there visibly Jewish, proud Jewish, 1702 01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:45,880 Speaker 1: then you're fine. It's horrible on college campuses. So I 1703 01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:47,760 Speaker 1: do a lot of that. It was a Duke class week, 1704 01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,000 Speaker 1: which was incredible. I went to the University of Miami. 1705 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:53,439 Speaker 1: I've got I'm doing UCL. Okay, you have those bad, 1706 01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,360 Speaker 1: bad experience at Berkeley, So what happened like a Duke 1707 01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,439 Speaker 1: in the University of Miami. Duke was university I was great. 1708 01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:04,240 Speaker 1: It was Florida Atlantic University actually, and the University of 1709 01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:07,800 Speaker 1: Miama did both of them. Those two experiences were great, 1710 01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:12,040 Speaker 1: and Duke was also great. Duke was intense because there's 1711 01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,000 Speaker 1: a lot of anti Semitism and antisignism the Duke and 1712 01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:20,040 Speaker 1: they had a huge turnout in terms of the students 1713 01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:25,280 Speaker 1: and local people from the community, apparently the biggest that 1714 01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,240 Speaker 1: they had for a very long time. Because a lot 1715 01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,479 Speaker 1: of students at Duke d students at Duke are very 1716 01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,280 Speaker 1: concerned about what's happening. And it was interesting because the 1717 01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:36,040 Speaker 1: professor that was interviewing me was not it was throwing curveballs, like. 1718 01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:41,760 Speaker 1: He was asking me very harsh questions that I disagreed 1719 01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:47,600 Speaker 1: with and I had to set my foot down. And 1720 01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,640 Speaker 1: basically he was you know, nobody puts baby in the 1721 01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:51,800 Speaker 1: corner rights And he was saying all these things or 1722 01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,679 Speaker 1: like the cleansing and the genocide, and I'm like, I disagree. 1723 01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,400 Speaker 1: Let me tell you why. And what I heard from 1724 01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,680 Speaker 1: the students afterwards, which is totally legitimate, by the way, 1725 01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,400 Speaker 1: we can definitely have a conversation about that. I got 1726 01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:04,280 Speaker 1: nothing against that, But what I was able to show 1727 01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,559 Speaker 1: the students is also how do you stand in front 1728 01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:11,040 Speaker 1: and stand in the face of these uncomfortable conversations, because 1729 01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:12,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people just recoil. They just kind of like, 1730 01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. It's too complicated. 1731 01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:17,720 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to show people that it's okay to 1732 01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,840 Speaker 1: have these uncomfortable conversations. We have to have these uncomfortable 1733 01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:24,640 Speaker 1: conversations because otherwise what are we doing. So it was 1734 01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:26,320 Speaker 1: that's what I heard from the kids there that they 1735 01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,360 Speaker 1: it was very helpful for them to see me kind 1736 01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:30,200 Speaker 1: of like butt heads with a professor a little bit, 1737 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:34,280 Speaker 1: because it showed them how to handle it when it comes. 1738 01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,040 Speaker 1: Because it comes, it comes a lot. It comes up 1739 01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot. So I do a lot of that. I 1740 01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:42,559 Speaker 1: travel to various places around again, around the country and 1741 01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,760 Speaker 1: around the world. And when I'm in La it's a 1742 01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,479 Speaker 1: lot of like reading, writing, working in the next book, 1743 01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:51,920 Speaker 1: posting on social media, doing videos, taking readings. It's very 1744 01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:58,280 Speaker 1: it's a busy time to be fighting anti semitism. Sadly okay, 1745 01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,599 Speaker 1: by times. Well, let's let's go back. When you do 1746 01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:07,479 Speaker 1: these speaking engagements, generally speaking, are you preaching to the 1747 01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:10,720 Speaker 1: converted or do the people who disagree with you show up? 1748 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,960 Speaker 1: I wow? Okay, Oddly enough, other than Berkeley, I did 1749 01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,519 Speaker 1: not have people show up to protest, which is kind 1750 01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,160 Speaker 1: of surprising, honestly, because I don't we don't hide that 1751 01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to speak, So we're wondering why they didn't 1752 01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:30,719 Speaker 1: show up. I'm all about I've you know, I've been 1753 01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:34,480 Speaker 1: through these conversations many times. I can handle it. I'm 1754 01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:37,680 Speaker 1: please accost me, I'll be fine. Hackle the shit out 1755 01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,439 Speaker 1: of me. It's okay, you're allowed, but it hasn't happened yet. 1756 01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm not only preaching to the choir. I'm obviously talking 1757 01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,920 Speaker 1: to a lot of people in the Jewish community, but 1758 01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:47,400 Speaker 1: I have a lot of people that invite me to 1759 01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:51,000 Speaker 1: speak to their non Jewish friends in their workspaces. This 1760 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,200 Speaker 1: is something that I really want to do more of. 1761 01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:55,920 Speaker 1: Like I think Google should invite me to speak about 1762 01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,080 Speaker 1: anti Semitism, and Apple and Coca Cola, and like these 1763 01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,080 Speaker 1: companies need Oh okay, but let's let's go back to 1764 01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:07,920 Speaker 1: the basic question, not just me just generally speaking out. 1765 01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,840 Speaker 1: Operations need to deal with anti semitism head on, right, 1766 01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:16,599 Speaker 1: But do the people who need their beliefs challenged? Did 1767 01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:21,280 Speaker 1: they show up? Yes? Yes, so one of the people 1768 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,600 Speaker 1: that I like. So, for example, at Duke, I know 1769 01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:27,160 Speaker 1: of a few kids that were there that were brought 1770 01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:31,759 Speaker 1: in by their Jewish friends because they had an issue 1771 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,479 Speaker 1: with Israel and an issue with anti Semitism. I know 1772 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,000 Speaker 1: that people use these talks in order to bring out 1773 01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,240 Speaker 1: their community and bring out their friends when they need 1774 01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:42,200 Speaker 1: to be challenge or addressed. I also know that people 1775 01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:44,960 Speaker 1: use my videos for that, So they save my videos 1776 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,520 Speaker 1: online and then they send them to people when something arises. 1777 01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,280 Speaker 1: So yes, definitely, definitely. And do I want to be 1778 01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,439 Speaker 1: more in more spaces where I'm not more spaces that 1779 01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,759 Speaker 1: are less preaching to the choir, of course, but again 1780 01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:02,679 Speaker 1: it's not easy because it's Hewish advocacy and it's people 1781 01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:06,200 Speaker 1: don't it's not as comfortable as other advocacies for people 1782 01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:09,320 Speaker 1: to kind of wrap their heads around. Is this a 1783 01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:14,120 Speaker 1: Sisaphian endeavor or do you think you're making a difference both? 1784 01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,519 Speaker 1: So I don't. We didn't touch upon that. But I'm 1785 01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:22,799 Speaker 1: also sometimes Israel's first special Envoy for combating anti Semitism 1786 01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:26,040 Speaker 1: and delegitimizations. I was appointed by then Foreign Ministry and 1787 01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:32,320 Speaker 1: a Pede to represent Israel when I'm asked on international 1788 01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:38,280 Speaker 1: stage as the anti Semitism envoy, And when we had 1789 01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:41,519 Speaker 1: this conversation, he offered me the position. He said, you 1790 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,240 Speaker 1: know how the United States has a special envoy for 1791 01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,320 Speaker 1: anti Semitism in Canada and EU and a lot of 1792 01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,479 Speaker 1: other countries in the world, and Israel doesn't have one. 1793 01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,200 Speaker 1: I said, right, I didn't think about that, And he's like, 1794 01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:52,960 Speaker 1: would you like to be that person? And I said 1795 01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:57,160 Speaker 1: absolutely yes, And then I started laughing and he asked me, 1796 01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:59,439 Speaker 1: why why are you laughing? And I said, because you're 1797 01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:02,400 Speaker 1: setting me up to fail, like I'm literally never going 1798 01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:04,720 Speaker 1: to be successful in this. And he started laughing and 1799 01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,400 Speaker 1: he said, you know, he said, I expect you to 1800 01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,280 Speaker 1: end anti Semitism and then three months give me a report. Please. 1801 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,760 Speaker 1: Anti Semitism is the oldest form of hate and discrimination 1802 01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,840 Speaker 1: that's still being practiced today. There's no reason for me 1803 01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:19,800 Speaker 1: to think that I'm going to be able to end it. 1804 01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:24,360 Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's never going to end fully. Am I 1805 01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:27,320 Speaker 1: making a difference? Yes, I know that for a fact. 1806 01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,920 Speaker 1: Okay that I'm making a difference. Sor right? Are there 1807 01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,439 Speaker 1: any other noah tissues out there? But we just don't 1808 01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:37,519 Speaker 1: know who they are. There are other advocates out there, Yeah, 1809 01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:39,559 Speaker 1: there are other people that are doing this. It's it's 1810 01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody, everybody is different. But I can definitely 1811 01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:46,800 Speaker 1: recommend people to follow an account named a white of 1812 01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:51,479 Speaker 1: Frame and a guy named Blake Flayton and Eve Barlow 1813 01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:54,519 Speaker 1: and Lizzie Savitsky is like a great advocate. There are 1814 01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:58,200 Speaker 1: people out there, but you know, the Jewish people are 1815 01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,840 Speaker 1: zero point zero two percent the world population or zero 1816 01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:03,960 Speaker 1: point two percent of the American population, we're less than 1817 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,599 Speaker 1: fifteen million people. Around the world, it's a very small 1818 01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:09,599 Speaker 1: number of people. So when it comes to online, when 1819 01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:12,800 Speaker 1: it comes to we're kind of drowning. You know, our 1820 01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:16,880 Speaker 1: voices are drowned a little bit. What is your personal 1821 01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:22,520 Speaker 1: belief of the cause of the great resurgence? Anti Semitism 1822 01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:26,840 Speaker 1: never went away, but even statistically it's burgeoned in the 1823 01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:30,519 Speaker 1: last seven years or so. Why do you think that is. 1824 01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:37,920 Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing. Throughout history, every time a 1825 01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:42,960 Speaker 1: society was having challenges, the Jews were to blame. So 1826 01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,200 Speaker 1: when we look at in perspective of history, this is 1827 01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:48,280 Speaker 1: not surprising at all. When we look at what's happening 1828 01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,479 Speaker 1: now with like the modernization of anti Semitism again, whether 1829 01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:55,200 Speaker 1: it's Kinye West or anti Zionism, you kind of look around, 1830 01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:57,680 Speaker 1: you go, okay, we've been through a pandemic. So then 1831 01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,439 Speaker 1: of course they're going to be voices that say that 1832 01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,840 Speaker 1: the Jews created the pandemic, and we're sitting looking at 1833 01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:06,839 Speaker 1: it going really cute. So every time there's like economic challenges, 1834 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:10,040 Speaker 1: they'll find the Jews. There's a plague, they'll the Jews fault. 1835 01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:12,720 Speaker 1: This has happened throughout history, and this is something that 1836 01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:16,639 Speaker 1: to some extent the Jews are to be blamed because 1837 01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:20,439 Speaker 1: anti Semitism is not simple racism, right, it's a it's 1838 01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:23,240 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory. So it says that the Jewish people 1839 01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:29,200 Speaker 1: are they're also like they're they're like the Nazis would say, right, 1840 01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:32,040 Speaker 1: the vermins of the earth, and they're lower race and 1841 01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:34,519 Speaker 1: they're like the scum of the earth. Right, But they're 1842 01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,320 Speaker 1: also controlling everything, and they control the banks, and they 1843 01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:39,640 Speaker 1: control Hollywood, and they control this and they control them. 1844 01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,479 Speaker 1: So there's this like duality of anti Semitism that isn't 1845 01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:46,520 Speaker 1: simple racism. That's why it's harder to decipher. And every 1846 01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:51,439 Speaker 1: time throughout history it just repops. So it's repopping. Society 1847 01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:52,920 Speaker 1: has been through a lot of stress in the past 1848 01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:57,519 Speaker 1: few years. And sure, lo and behold, blame the Jews. Yes, 1849 01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:03,120 Speaker 1: but everything you're saying is certainly true. But observers would say, 1850 01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,080 Speaker 1: there you can say things and there will be no 1851 01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:11,400 Speaker 1: repercussions in a way that never happened, certainly in my lifetime. 1852 01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:16,519 Speaker 1: You know, it's been legitimized, and and why do you 1853 01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:21,400 Speaker 1: think it's been legitimized Jews don't count. There's this book 1854 01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:24,400 Speaker 1: it's it's actually David Baddell wrote a book called Jews 1855 01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,519 Speaker 1: Don't Count and showing throughout like recent history how in 1856 01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:31,840 Speaker 1: every Jews don't count in like d im offices, Jews 1857 01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,200 Speaker 1: don't count as a minority. Literally, people don't look at 1858 01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:37,400 Speaker 1: the Jewish people and think of minority. Right, So there's 1859 01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:39,120 Speaker 1: this kind of like double standard when it comes about 1860 01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,920 Speaker 1: the Jewish people again, because the Jewish people are not considered, 1861 01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,920 Speaker 1: they're not underrepresented. The Jewish people have used the American 1862 01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,680 Speaker 1: system in a way like this is a blessing. Right, 1863 01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,240 Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, we can actually achieve things great, 1864 01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:54,639 Speaker 1: and now it's held against us. Right, So it's it's 1865 01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:56,920 Speaker 1: a very it's they don't want to cry wolf, and 1866 01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like competing in the oppressed Olympic. Right, 1867 01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:04,519 Speaker 1: you can be both an oppressed minority and also do well. 1868 01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:06,720 Speaker 1: It's just that people need to notice that there are 1869 01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:11,679 Speaker 1: subconscious biases towards the Jewish people are affecting them, whether 1870 01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,120 Speaker 1: they know it or not, whether they acknowledge it or not. 1871 01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:18,600 Speaker 1: What would you tell you know, you speak at college campuses, 1872 01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:22,040 Speaker 1: those are developing people let's just talk adults. What would 1873 01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,240 Speaker 1: you tell adults to do in the face of this 1874 01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:29,240 Speaker 1: anti semitism. First of all, say something when you see something. 1875 01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:31,760 Speaker 1: In second, reach out to your Jewish community. This is 1876 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:35,680 Speaker 1: something that's not a joke. If you see if you 1877 01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:40,120 Speaker 1: see like a rise in anti semitism online in your neighborhood, 1878 01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:42,840 Speaker 1: reach out to your Jewish friends, reach out to your synagogue, 1879 01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:46,679 Speaker 1: the neighborhood synagogue, see if they need help. Actually reach out, 1880 01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:50,479 Speaker 1: Actually reach out again. This is something we are walking 1881 01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:54,800 Speaker 1: around feeling like we're I'm creating a lot of ally ship, 1882 01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:58,160 Speaker 1: like reaching outside of our community and finding more allies 1883 01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:03,160 Speaker 1: because the Jewish community does have allyship in the way 1884 01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:05,960 Speaker 1: that we would like to have. So that's something that 1885 01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:08,040 Speaker 1: I would say to again to people who are who 1886 01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,040 Speaker 1: are not Jewish, who are listening to this reach out 1887 01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:12,800 Speaker 1: or reach out. We're under stressed right now. Every Jewish 1888 01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:15,360 Speaker 1: person that you know is like breaking out a little bit, 1889 01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:19,160 Speaker 1: pulling the lens back a little bit. What do you 1890 01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:23,800 Speaker 1: think about intermarriage, because certainly in the United States, there 1891 01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:28,640 Speaker 1: is a rising number, rising percentage of people who are 1892 01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,760 Speaker 1: marrying people outside the faith, and there's a limited number 1893 01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,040 Speaker 1: of Jews to begin with, do you have an opinion 1894 01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,320 Speaker 1: on that? I mean, the father of my child is 1895 01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:41,200 Speaker 1: not Jewish, so and my child has raised Jewish and 1896 01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,799 Speaker 1: his identity is very strong, and he is first language 1897 01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:47,280 Speaker 1: is Hebrew, but it didn't it's important to me to 1898 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:50,919 Speaker 1: raise my child Jewish. But I wasn't that particular about 1899 01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:55,040 Speaker 1: the father in terms of religion or tradition. Also knowing 1900 01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,160 Speaker 1: that I'm the woman, so it goes by the mother. 1901 01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:01,160 Speaker 1: I look, I technically, I just I think we need 1902 01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:06,240 Speaker 1: more Jews, so I would loosen the acceptance bar. But 1903 01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:09,680 Speaker 1: that's just me. But the good thing to remember is 1904 01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:13,040 Speaker 1: that everybody is welcome to be Jewish, Like everybody is welcome. 1905 01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,680 Speaker 1: It's going to take some work, but everybody's welcome. So 1906 01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,720 Speaker 1: I would love to see as many more Jews as possible. 1907 01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:26,360 Speaker 1: I also think that with Jewish culture and Jewish people, 1908 01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,120 Speaker 1: the proof is in the pudding. So there's something about 1909 01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:33,240 Speaker 1: Jewish way of life the works, right, And as Jews, 1910 01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,920 Speaker 1: we instead of celebrating that, we sometimes kind of try 1911 01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:40,519 Speaker 1: to hide it. So we try to hide the bizarre fact, 1912 01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,960 Speaker 1: right that the Jewish people are zero point zero two 1913 01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,719 Speaker 1: percent of the world population, but we're twenty two percent 1914 01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:50,719 Speaker 1: of Nobel Prize winners twenty nine and like economics twice 1915 01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,240 Speaker 1: that can't remember the exact breakdown, but like twenty two, 1916 01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:57,320 Speaker 1: that's a crazy number. And that's not because of some 1917 01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:02,080 Speaker 1: cabal or some genetic like it's not right. There's something 1918 01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,640 Speaker 1: about the Jewish way of life that's really good that 1919 01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:08,680 Speaker 1: everybody should adopt as well. And that's something that I'm 1920 01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:12,120 Speaker 1: very as a secular Jew, I celebrate because I think 1921 01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:15,160 Speaker 1: culturally we get so much to contribute. Because just think 1922 01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:16,680 Speaker 1: of how great, how where would it be if the 1923 01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:19,559 Speaker 1: entire world would celebrate a bat on a Friday, just 1924 01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:22,080 Speaker 1: get together with friends and family and like stop everything 1925 01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,360 Speaker 1: and just relaxed and not talk about mundane stuff and 1926 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,759 Speaker 1: focus about you know, focus on like what's what matters. 1927 01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:29,400 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot there are a lot of things 1928 01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:32,680 Speaker 1: about the Jewish tradition that are magic that needs to 1929 01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:35,880 Speaker 1: be adopted by the entire world. How great would that be? 1930 01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:38,559 Speaker 1: So that's my attitude. My attitude is that we need 1931 01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:42,920 Speaker 1: to be more open in terms of acceptance and spread 1932 01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:45,760 Speaker 1: out that kind of like way of life more. That's 1933 01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,000 Speaker 1: not a bit of a secret, by the way, It's 1934 01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:51,320 Speaker 1: all out there. Just we can all live like that. Okay, 1935 01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:55,080 Speaker 1: although some of this stuff actually engenders anti Semitism. But 1936 01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:58,759 Speaker 1: moving the focus once again, what do you mean, Okay, 1937 01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:00,960 Speaker 1: this is the same thing. I don't want to get 1938 01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,400 Speaker 1: deep into a discussion is because there's a lot of nuance, 1939 01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:09,240 Speaker 1: But this is the same thing Asians are combating at 1940 01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:13,280 Speaker 1: this particular point in time. There's a very people would say, 1941 01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:15,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to start getting em get in trouble, 1942 01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:21,400 Speaker 1: but there's a very strong family importance placed on education. 1943 01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:25,439 Speaker 1: So therefore there are people feel that the Asians are 1944 01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:29,840 Speaker 1: taking their spots in education, and conversely, their Asians believe 1945 01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:35,599 Speaker 1: they're being discriminated against. So there's a long history with 1946 01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:42,439 Speaker 1: Jews that people feel, well, you took my spot, you know, 1947 01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,360 Speaker 1: and you know this is all a thing together you 1948 01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:50,160 Speaker 1: speak a little Yiddish whatever, and I'm not including Okay, 1949 01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,200 Speaker 1: that wasn't at all what I was saying. And as 1950 01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:54,240 Speaker 1: long as America as a meritocracy, and that's great, we 1951 01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:57,880 Speaker 1: can this is all about achievements. I hear what you're saying. 1952 01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't think this was not what I was you know, well, well, 1953 01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:02,439 Speaker 1: let me let me let me change a little bit. 1954 01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:08,520 Speaker 1: The world is not about facts. The world is about perception. Sure, Okay, 1955 01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:11,879 Speaker 1: and then you say, you know, as you said earlier, 1956 01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:15,879 Speaker 1: when times are tough, people are looking for a scapegoat. Yeah, 1957 01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:20,360 Speaker 1: and you and both you and me both know how 1958 01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:23,040 Speaker 1: hard it is to make it in Hollywood. People have 1959 01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:28,160 Speaker 1: no idea. You have to sacrifice everything and you still 1960 01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:30,519 Speaker 1: may not make it. But there are a lot of 1961 01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,800 Speaker 1: people who don't make it or don't even try, who 1962 01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:38,880 Speaker 1: blame the Jews. Okay, So there are these examples and 1963 01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:41,760 Speaker 1: they cause the anti Semitism. But I want to move 1964 01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:46,080 Speaker 1: to a different topic. Let's talk about let me just second, 1965 01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:49,880 Speaker 1: Just at that point, i refuse to recoil to that, 1966 01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:53,479 Speaker 1: and I'm going to stay proud, loud, and proud you 1967 01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,719 Speaker 1: And because I know that historically if I go quiet, 1968 01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:00,439 Speaker 1: it's not going to stop anti Semitism, So I'm actually 1969 01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:02,720 Speaker 1: flipping it on its head. I'm going to be as 1970 01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,840 Speaker 1: loud and as proud and as open. I'm going to 1971 01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:07,040 Speaker 1: invite people for Shabbat. I'm going to be as open 1972 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,519 Speaker 1: as I possibly can because either way, antisemitism is not 1973 01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:15,000 Speaker 1: going to go away. Does that make sense, absolutely, very 1974 01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:19,160 Speaker 1: very clearly delineated. But let's go to Israel today. You 1975 01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:23,640 Speaker 1: had a video you posted about, well, Israel's a democracy, 1976 01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:27,559 Speaker 1: and just like in the US, there are people, you 1977 01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:30,920 Speaker 1: know who have different opinions. There's protests in that shows 1978 01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:35,720 Speaker 1: a healthy democracy. Today, which is March first, Thomas Friedman 1979 01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,919 Speaker 1: has an opinion piece in the New York Times talking 1980 01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:42,720 Speaker 1: about Israel being on the precipice. This is one person's opinion. 1981 01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that. I'm going to Thomas 1982 01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,600 Speaker 1: Friedman himself gets a lot of blowback, but talking about 1983 01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:55,400 Speaker 1: net Yahoo, talking about the Supreme Court situation, talking about 1984 01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:59,720 Speaker 1: the settlements, what is your take on what's going on 1985 01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:04,880 Speaker 1: in is Real today? My take on it is that 1986 01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:10,440 Speaker 1: Israel is such a flourishing democracy. It's virtually almost ungovernable. 1987 01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:13,600 Speaker 1: That's one of the things that people need to understand. 1988 01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:18,440 Speaker 1: What's happening right now is very delicate because I mean, again, 1989 01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to this is inside baseball, So maybe 1990 01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:22,320 Speaker 1: people have no idea what we're talking about. But basically, 1991 01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,760 Speaker 1: the new government is it's the most right wing government 1992 01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:26,920 Speaker 1: that Israel has ever had, and they're trying to create 1993 01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:29,840 Speaker 1: these judicial reform very quickly, and the majority of the 1994 01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:32,600 Speaker 1: country is resisting them. And there are a lot of demonstration, 1995 01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:35,800 Speaker 1: like huge percentage of the population are out in the 1996 01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:39,000 Speaker 1: street demonstrating. So, first of all, that's beautiful, that's democracy. 1997 01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:43,680 Speaker 1: That's number one. My opinion about what's happening is that 1998 01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:46,800 Speaker 1: they need to slow down. That's my opinion. They have 1999 01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:49,600 Speaker 1: to slow down. But these reforms need to be taken 2000 01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:53,320 Speaker 1: very seriously and need to come to a wide agreement. 2001 01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,839 Speaker 1: They must know now that there is no wide agreement. 2002 01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:00,280 Speaker 1: The percentage large percentage of we could voters want to 2003 01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:02,040 Speaker 1: slow it down. Don't think that it's the most important 2004 01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:06,680 Speaker 1: thing right now to do. But again, it's a it's 2005 01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:09,800 Speaker 1: a flourishing democracy. Let's see, let's see what happens. Look, 2006 01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:12,240 Speaker 1: if every single one of these laws pass, and then 2007 01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:16,360 Speaker 1: they pass like that, every country can unplode. Right, and 2008 01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:20,720 Speaker 1: they took Row away from us. It's this is terrible, 2009 01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:23,040 Speaker 1: but it's not the end of the American democracy. So 2010 01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:26,680 Speaker 1: this is a part of the process. We're all concerned 2011 01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:30,960 Speaker 1: and we're all watching it carefully, but it's a part 2012 01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,840 Speaker 1: of the democratic process. What's happening there right now? Oh, 2013 01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,080 Speaker 1: let's talk to me in three months. Maybe my opinion 2014 01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:37,560 Speaker 1: would be different, But right now I'm kind of like, 2015 01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:40,920 Speaker 1: all right, this is it's happening, and it's it's the process. 2016 01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:42,800 Speaker 1: It's a moving it's a moving and every day there's 2017 01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:46,960 Speaker 1: something else that's exactly it's a moving picture. But also 2018 01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:49,400 Speaker 1: when you referenced this in the beginning, but let's look 2019 01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:52,600 Speaker 1: at it enough from the outside, but the inside. To 2020 01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:59,840 Speaker 1: what degree do the Orthodocs affect the perception of Jews 2021 01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:03,280 Speaker 1: in general? It's like we were talking about inner marriage, etc. 2022 01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:05,480 Speaker 1: One of the big stories in America now, and I 2023 01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:11,240 Speaker 1: know some people who are involved in a very religious 2024 01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:15,320 Speaker 1: traditional groups where they're having a lot of kids because 2025 01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,040 Speaker 1: they say, we have to repopulate the Jews. New York 2026 01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:23,240 Speaker 1: Times has done all these series about these communities are 2027 01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:27,840 Speaker 1: taking money and not really educating their kids. In Israel, 2028 01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:32,680 Speaker 1: you have the Orthodox, the ultra Orthodox, they don't have 2029 01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:36,680 Speaker 1: to go into the army, etc. So speak to this please. 2030 01:57:40,280 --> 01:57:44,480 Speaker 1: I always say about my book that left, right and center, 2031 01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,680 Speaker 1: you can pretty much tell where I stand, but I 2032 01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,320 Speaker 1: can explain everybody's perception, and I'm not going to be 2033 01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:53,280 Speaker 1: I was. The book was endorsed by the left and 2034 01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:57,080 Speaker 1: the right, both in Israel and in America. Right, but 2035 01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:58,800 Speaker 1: who is not going to be happy about that? Are 2036 01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:01,360 Speaker 1: the ultra Orthodox? Those are the only community that I 2037 01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:05,440 Speaker 1: was like, you, guys, I can't defend that, so, honest 2038 01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:07,680 Speaker 1: to God, and again, this is inside, this is full 2039 01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:11,840 Speaker 1: on inside baseball, right. I cannot defend not teaching core 2040 01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:16,280 Speaker 1: curriculum to generations of people within Israel or with our 2041 01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,280 Speaker 1: outside of Israel. I just can't defend that. I think 2042 01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:23,200 Speaker 1: that is abhorrent and it's disgraceful and it's terrible. It's 2043 01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:26,080 Speaker 1: it's abusive for the children, there's no question about that. 2044 01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:30,840 Speaker 1: And it's not sustainable. So the Orthodox population in israels 2045 01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:33,640 Speaker 1: about fourteen percent. They're growing, a lot of people are 2046 01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:35,760 Speaker 1: leaving the Orthodoxy, so it's kind of like balance it out. 2047 01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:38,000 Speaker 1: It's not going to take over like everybody, but it's 2048 01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:41,680 Speaker 1: like the entire country. But there's no world in which 2049 01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:43,440 Speaker 1: you don't need to teach corpora with Lim and that 2050 01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:48,880 Speaker 1: needs to change immediately. That's my opinion. What about Sorry, 2051 01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:55,400 Speaker 1: aren't the ultra Orthodox also behind the settlements? Not entirely 2052 01:58:55,440 --> 01:59:00,960 Speaker 1: the ultra It's not entirely the ultra Orthodox are A 2053 01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:03,480 Speaker 1: lot of the ultra Orthodox are actually not don't even 2054 01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:06,000 Speaker 1: believe in the existence of the State of Israel. So 2055 01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:08,880 Speaker 1: they believe that it's an abomination because there hasn't been 2056 01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:12,400 Speaker 1: the Third Temple yet, So it's not The settlers are 2057 01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:14,800 Speaker 1: more kind of There are a lot of Americans in 2058 01:59:14,840 --> 01:59:18,000 Speaker 1: the settlements actually, and it's more it's kind of like 2059 01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:22,400 Speaker 1: the more muscletem traditional muscle team munim, you know, more 2060 01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:24,680 Speaker 1: than that. It's less the ultra ulter Orthodox, the ones 2061 01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:27,080 Speaker 1: with the black hats and the and all of them. 2062 01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:29,720 Speaker 1: But I'm against not studying core curriculum. There's no nothing 2063 01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:35,240 Speaker 1: controversial about that. Okay. So the average American we're talking 2064 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:39,400 Speaker 1: about the government and the settlements, etc. They're not thinking 2065 01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:43,240 Speaker 1: about that. But on a regular basis in the news 2066 01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:49,600 Speaker 1: there are actions and retaliations, and the Jews, the Israelis 2067 01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:52,840 Speaker 1: in this case, which you're both, are constantly criticized in 2068 01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:56,400 Speaker 1: these circumstances. Tell us what you think is really going 2069 01:59:56,440 --> 02:00:07,160 Speaker 1: on here. I'll tell you a story. A few years ago, 2070 02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:10,160 Speaker 1: I was in Israel with the father of my child, 2071 02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:13,200 Speaker 1: my ex was. We were there together at the same time, obviously, 2072 02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:18,040 Speaker 1: and we were sitting and having dinner in Hurzeleia on 2073 02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:21,640 Speaker 1: the beach, and there was tension. So before sometimes before 2074 02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:25,280 Speaker 1: these attacks. You kind of get intelligence and they somehow 2075 02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:27,880 Speaker 1: kind of They're like, all right, it's tense, mus might 2076 02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:30,760 Speaker 1: try something, so be on alert. And we're sitting and 2077 02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:34,360 Speaker 1: having dinner and all of a sudden, sirens go off. 2078 02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:38,120 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting with my I'm sitting south facing south. 2079 02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:40,600 Speaker 1: The Mediterranean Sea is to my right, and I'm looking 2080 02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:43,400 Speaker 1: at him facing south and we're on the beach outside 2081 02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:46,080 Speaker 1: and the sirens starts going off and I start seeing 2082 02:00:46,200 --> 02:00:49,480 Speaker 1: missiles coming from the south, and the south of Hurtzelea 2083 02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:51,920 Speaker 1: and Tel Aviv is the Gaza Strip and we're like, 2084 02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,240 Speaker 1: oh shit, we're just looking at it. And I'm like, look, 2085 02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:56,280 Speaker 1: look behind you, here they are. Here are the missiles. 2086 02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:58,600 Speaker 1: And we get off and we go to the shelter 2087 02:00:58,720 --> 02:01:01,440 Speaker 1: and we wait for it to pass. An hour later, 2088 02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:03,280 Speaker 1: we are in the hotel room and heard Celia and 2089 02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:09,280 Speaker 1: we're watching CNN and the headline is Israel attacks in Gaza. 2090 02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:13,080 Speaker 1: And my ex, who is an American Southern Baptist from Tallahassee, 2091 02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:15,600 Speaker 1: looks at it and he goes, that's not what happened. 2092 02:01:16,120 --> 02:01:19,520 Speaker 1: They just threw missiles at me. Well, that's not what happened. 2093 02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:22,040 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting and I'm looking at him and I'm 2094 02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:25,640 Speaker 1: rolling my eyes and I'm like, yep, welcome to Azrael. 2095 02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:32,200 Speaker 1: This happens all the time. There's a terrorist attack, they 2096 02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:36,600 Speaker 1: call it israelis were you know, people were murdered. They 2097 02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:40,640 Speaker 1: don't call it a terrorist attack. Israel retaliates, they call 2098 02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,760 Speaker 1: it an attack, and they don't say what preceded the retaliation. 2099 02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:47,360 Speaker 1: This is the bias in the media is so extreme 2100 02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:51,480 Speaker 1: that once you've seen it for the first time, you 2101 02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,840 Speaker 1: can't unsee it. And we do this all the time, 2102 02:01:53,880 --> 02:01:56,520 Speaker 1: and it comes up every time this happens. There's this 2103 02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:59,440 Speaker 1: whole thing with the activists. They're like, no, New York Times, no, 2104 02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:01,760 Speaker 1: the Guard and let me correct that, and we kind 2105 02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:04,560 Speaker 1: of x whatever they say and we say what actually happened. 2106 02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:08,720 Speaker 1: But this is what happens all the time. The bottom 2107 02:02:08,720 --> 02:02:12,720 Speaker 1: line is Hamas for that matter, is a terrorist organization 2108 02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:16,520 Speaker 1: that took over Gaza by force. Again, Israel does not 2109 02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:20,360 Speaker 1: control Gaza. Israel unilaterally retreated out of Gaza and handed 2110 02:02:20,360 --> 02:02:23,080 Speaker 1: it to the Palestinians, and then Hamas took over. So 2111 02:02:23,160 --> 02:02:25,320 Speaker 1: Hamasa is the one who's controlling Gaza. It's a terrorist 2112 02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:29,440 Speaker 1: organization that wants to enact shariel law, which is the 2113 02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:33,840 Speaker 1: embodiment of rape culture. Right, Sharia law, not Arab culture, 2114 02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:38,720 Speaker 1: not Muslims and not you know, this particular iteration and 2115 02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:41,840 Speaker 1: wants to wipe Israel off the map. And that's what 2116 02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:45,360 Speaker 1: we're dealing with here. And we're dealing with people that 2117 02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:52,240 Speaker 1: celebrate death. We're dealing with people that again I'm prefacing, 2118 02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:54,440 Speaker 1: it's the extremists of them, right, that are dragging the 2119 02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:59,840 Speaker 1: entire region into hell. We're dealing with people that the 2120 02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:05,520 Speaker 1: more casualties there are, the better it looks. And it's 2121 02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:08,760 Speaker 1: just it's horrible, and it's horrible for the Palestinian people. Look, 2122 02:03:08,760 --> 02:03:13,120 Speaker 1: I've been to demonstrations and I carried signs saying free 2123 02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:18,040 Speaker 1: Gaza from Hamas, Free Palestine from Hamas, not from Israel. 2124 02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:23,240 Speaker 1: If these extreme groups would have put down their weapons 2125 02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:26,040 Speaker 1: and would have agreed to accept the existence of a 2126 02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:29,400 Speaker 1: Jewish state, they would have been a Palestine and there 2127 02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:33,040 Speaker 1: would have been prosperity and collaboration and communication, just like 2128 02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:35,720 Speaker 1: look at what's happening with the Abraham Court, with the UAE, 2129 02:03:35,800 --> 02:03:40,840 Speaker 1: with Israel. Suddenly it's it's suddenly the region is acknowledging 2130 02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:45,400 Speaker 1: what everybody publicly basically what everybody knew privately, and that 2131 02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:47,520 Speaker 1: is Israel's not a big bed wolf of the Middle East. 2132 02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Iran is And if you want more tech and more 2133 02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:57,120 Speaker 1: advancement and more freedom and more democracy, Israel's your partner. 2134 02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:02,240 Speaker 1: So Drew, if you get out your crystal ball, what 2135 02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:06,040 Speaker 1: do you foresee as the future of Israel and the 2136 02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:09,600 Speaker 1: future of anti Semitism in America? Those are two different questions, 2137 02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:19,560 Speaker 1: but both the future look Israel is strong and Israeli 2138 02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:26,560 Speaker 1: people are resilient, smart and stubborn. So Israel is going 2139 02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:28,400 Speaker 1: to be fine. It's it's not going to be pretty, 2140 02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:32,040 Speaker 1: and it's not it's challenging right now, but Israel is 2141 02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:35,400 Speaker 1: going to be fine. There's also such extraordinary people there, 2142 02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:37,520 Speaker 1: with so much brain and so much innovation. And if 2143 02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:38,920 Speaker 1: it's the country, if the country is not going to 2144 02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:42,720 Speaker 1: be changed, laws are not going to be changed to 2145 02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:45,000 Speaker 1: a point that it changes it such a we can't 2146 02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:49,320 Speaker 1: recognize it anymore, Israel is going to be fine. Anti 2147 02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:53,480 Speaker 1: Semitism is not going anywhere, actually, So it's kind of 2148 02:04:53,480 --> 02:04:55,920 Speaker 1: like a Jewish mandate to make the world a better place. 2149 02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:59,840 Speaker 1: And it's our job to continue warning the world when 2150 02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:03,040 Speaker 1: the comes up. There was an article years ago by 2151 02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:04,920 Speaker 1: Jonathan I've got his last name, Oh my god, it's 2152 02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:07,360 Speaker 1: in my book. It's called basically he's the one who 2153 02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:09,280 Speaker 1: kind of coined the Jews of the Canary in the 2154 02:05:09,320 --> 02:05:15,280 Speaker 1: coal mine. The Jewish people. When society turned on its Jews, 2155 02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:19,040 Speaker 1: it's a sign that society is in trouble. So every 2156 02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:22,440 Speaker 1: country in the world that turned on the Jews, that 2157 02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:26,520 Speaker 1: was foreshadowing for something bad that was going to happen 2158 02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:30,760 Speaker 1: in society. So it's kind of like it's almost our 2159 02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:33,120 Speaker 1: role to stand there and be like, no, we're not 2160 02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:34,920 Speaker 1: gonna let you do this, because we don't want America 2161 02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:36,840 Speaker 1: in the world to implode and just notice that you're 2162 02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:40,000 Speaker 1: being anti Semitic. Let's just stop that. It's not going anywhere. 2163 02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:41,640 Speaker 1: But I hope that in my lifetime at least it's 2164 02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:45,000 Speaker 1: going to go back and become unfashionable again, because that's 2165 02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:48,360 Speaker 1: the thing that we're frustrated a bad not that it 2166 02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:51,800 Speaker 1: came back, because again it's it never went away, but 2167 02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:54,880 Speaker 1: it became acceptable. That is a shocking proposition for all 2168 02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:57,960 Speaker 1: of us. Well, it would be hard not to look 2169 02:05:57,960 --> 02:06:03,800 Speaker 1: at the United States and not say the visibility of 2170 02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:09,000 Speaker 1: anti Semitism and the ability to verbalize it came in 2171 02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:14,080 Speaker 1: with the Trump administration, and you have a unique situation 2172 02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:19,200 Speaker 1: where the right wing always pledges fealty to Israel, support 2173 02:06:19,240 --> 02:06:22,520 Speaker 1: for Israel. There's issues as to whether that's because they 2174 02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:27,200 Speaker 1: see it as the Christian homeland or defensive whatever, But 2175 02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:34,520 Speaker 1: our country at large irrelevant of anti semitism. Most people 2176 02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:37,000 Speaker 1: on both sides of the FEDS don't think it's going 2177 02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:42,320 Speaker 1: in the right direction. Now, wouldn't that portend even more 2178 02:06:42,440 --> 02:06:46,600 Speaker 1: anti semitism. Yes, it does. That's why it's going up 2179 02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:49,680 Speaker 1: so much. And look, the thing to acknowledge is that 2180 02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:52,120 Speaker 1: right now we're dealing with anti semitism on the right 2181 02:06:52,760 --> 02:06:55,840 Speaker 1: and anti semitism on the left. This is one of 2182 02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:58,080 Speaker 1: those things that are hard for people to acknowledge. It's 2183 02:06:58,080 --> 02:07:00,800 Speaker 1: almost like it's easier to see the Jews will not 2184 02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:03,360 Speaker 1: replace us and the Marjorie Taylor Green Green of the 2185 02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:07,640 Speaker 1: you know Lewis Jewish space laser right, that's very easy 2186 02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:10,040 Speaker 1: to call out. But what about on the extreme left 2187 02:07:10,040 --> 02:07:12,320 Speaker 1: when they equate Israel to Commas? What about them the 2188 02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:14,600 Speaker 1: extreme left when they call when they call Israel a 2189 02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:19,680 Speaker 1: bloodthirsty country. This happens on both sides, and oddly enough, 2190 02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:21,920 Speaker 1: on the fridge light fringe right, on the fringe left, 2191 02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:25,920 Speaker 1: the one thing that they have in common is anti Semitism. 2192 02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:27,920 Speaker 1: So this is definitely something that I think we should 2193 02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:31,400 Speaker 1: look at as a society and be worried about. Um. 2194 02:07:32,280 --> 02:07:35,879 Speaker 1: There's no doubt the Trump allowed anti Semitism in America 2195 02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:37,960 Speaker 1: to raise its head on the right in a way 2196 02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:42,160 Speaker 1: that we never saw before. Um, which was shocking for 2197 02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:45,160 Speaker 1: all of us. But again, it's coming from both sides. 2198 02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:48,600 Speaker 1: It's radical left, radical right, and radical Islam is where 2199 02:07:48,640 --> 02:07:53,320 Speaker 1: anti semitism is coming from the most. And that's that's 2200 02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:57,120 Speaker 1: that's what unites them. But but I will never just 2201 02:07:57,240 --> 02:07:59,280 Speaker 1: call the right. I'm going to call the left because 2202 02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm obliver world that lives in Hollywood, you know what 2203 02:08:01,240 --> 02:08:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean. I'm going to call out the left and say, no, 2204 02:08:03,240 --> 02:08:05,360 Speaker 1: we need to look at ourselves as well, not just 2205 02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:07,120 Speaker 1: on the right where it's convenient, but also on the 2206 02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:09,480 Speaker 1: left where it might not be might not be that 2207 02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:13,040 Speaker 1: easy to look at. We still have to because anti 2208 02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:15,200 Speaker 1: semitism on the right, by the way, anti semitism on 2209 02:08:15,240 --> 02:08:17,560 Speaker 1: the on the left right now, the majority of it 2210 02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:21,520 Speaker 1: is anti Israel. Rhetoric anti Semitism online. Sixty nine to 2211 02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:25,040 Speaker 1: eighty four percent of online anti semitism is anti Israel rhetoric. 2212 02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:28,920 Speaker 1: It's the demonization of Israel. It's the double standard, it's 2213 02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:32,280 Speaker 1: the delegitimization of Israel. It's all these when you when 2214 02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:34,800 Speaker 1: you switch, when you switch the world due to the world, 2215 02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:39,000 Speaker 1: the word Zionist, it's anti Semitism. It's just it's just 2216 02:08:39,120 --> 02:08:43,760 Speaker 1: kind of cloaked and masked. Definitely. Okay. In conclusion, I 2217 02:08:43,800 --> 02:08:48,640 Speaker 1: think everyone on both sides of all these issues should 2218 02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:51,200 Speaker 1: read your book. So why don't you sell your book 2219 02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:53,920 Speaker 1: to my audience a little bit? Tell them, tell what 2220 02:08:53,920 --> 02:09:01,600 Speaker 1: they're what they're eating for if they read it. Wow, um, 2221 02:09:02,840 --> 02:09:05,280 Speaker 1: such a great pret question. So yeah, it's a It's 2222 02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:07,160 Speaker 1: a book that tells the story of Israel and the 2223 02:09:07,200 --> 02:09:09,800 Speaker 1: Middle East in a way that's that's easy and fun 2224 02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:12,800 Speaker 1: and funny. It goes in depth, but not too deep. 2225 02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:15,440 Speaker 1: It tells the story of my family that was establishing, 2226 02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:18,680 Speaker 1: very involved in the establishment of the state of Israel. 2227 02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:21,640 Speaker 1: And it was endorsed by both Bill Maher if you're 2228 02:09:21,720 --> 02:09:24,040 Speaker 1: on the left, then Ben Shapiro if you're on the right, 2229 02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:28,600 Speaker 1: and Aaron Sorkin and Eric Weinstein and raycourts While and 2230 02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:30,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people that are thought leaders that I 2231 02:09:30,520 --> 02:09:33,760 Speaker 1: admire that we're very gracious in reading the book and saying, yeah, 2232 02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:36,160 Speaker 1: we like it. It's good. So maybe your audience would 2233 02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:39,800 Speaker 1: like it too well. I think everyone should. Wed You're right, 2234 02:09:39,880 --> 02:09:41,720 Speaker 1: it is lighted. As I tell people, it's not a 2235 02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:44,600 Speaker 1: hard weed in any event. No, I think we've come 2236 02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:47,280 Speaker 1: to the end of the feeling we've known. I want 2237 02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:49,879 Speaker 1: to thank you so much for speaking with my audience. 2238 02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:52,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having us. It's a pleasure. 2239 02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:55,280 Speaker 1: Till next time. This is Bob left Sex