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Speaker 1: pro football and the game called life. And now move

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Speaker 1: the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to move the Sticks. DJ. Bucky here looking back

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Speaker 1: on Week five of the NFL season. Then we're gonna

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Speaker 1: also look back on the college football weekend that was.

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Speaker 1: But Buck, We've got We've got a friend of the program,

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Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne is in the house. Reggie, what's up, man?

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Speaker 1: I am good. How you guys doing. I'm doing good, man.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to, uh, we'll jump right into this.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know that we will give

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Speaker 1: you a chance to talk about the Miami Florida State

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Speaker 1: ending and what went down there, and also ahead to

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Speaker 1: next week because Buckey I want to say, he has

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Speaker 1: your tar heels man and and and he catches an

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Speaker 1: angry tar he bunch coming off for loss of Virginia Tech. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we we upset it. We're mad us all just

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Speaker 1: as much as y'all. We all so mad. I look,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about this later. I did not watch the

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Speaker 1: U the UNC game, but he was ugly. Box score

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Speaker 1: it was it was. It was not nice. It was

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Speaker 1: not I told you it was raining and all the

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Speaker 1: other stuff. We like though it around the yard, everybody

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Speaker 1: was off. We didn't handle success that week. I saw people,

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Speaker 1: I saw guys on shows. I see people all over

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Speaker 1: the stuff. I think Ryan Swiss was on the gym roal.

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Speaker 1: She's like, look, that's that's not that's not what we do.

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Speaker 1: We just go to work. And I think we got

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Speaker 1: Hollywood is normally this time of year, Ridge, when you

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Speaker 1: got North Carolina on the tube, it's like midnight madness

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Speaker 1: that basketball season. But basketball season is coming, it is

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Speaker 1: coming before we get the basketball season and preview the

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Speaker 1: tar Heels this year. Last weekend the football matchups, Rege,

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Speaker 1: I wanna start with you on the on the Coach

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Speaker 1: game with your background there. They finally get a much

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Speaker 1: needed win, and we talked about this last week that

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Speaker 1: even as you know, is hectic, I guess you could

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Speaker 1: now you'd be right back tied at the top of

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Speaker 1: the division. What do you see in the Bears game?

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Speaker 1: I saw a team that that that that played with

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Speaker 1: in the worst way. Uh, and it was it was

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Speaker 1: typical of how this season, win all year came down

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Speaker 1: at the end. You know, they don't believe that those guys,

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Speaker 1: those those special endings, and uh, it just it was

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Speaker 1: one of those things where we still saw, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: That's all we ever did. I mean when whenever, even

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Speaker 1: they're just agile and they're so used with basketball, just

426
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Speaker 1: with that quick twitch and you know, quick change direction

427
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Speaker 1: on the basketball court and translating that onto the football field.

428
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about a big guy because I

429
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Speaker 1: had a question, UM, like last well, Monday night, we

430
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 1: saw the Carolina Panthers and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and

431
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot of expectations about the Carolina Panthers offense

432
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Speaker 1: with Kelvin Benjamin coming back. But you're talking about a

433
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Speaker 1: big guy. UM, A big guy who there were some

434
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Speaker 1: questions about his speed before the a c L. You

435
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Speaker 1: had an a c L I've had. I think I

436
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Speaker 1: saw that total access and you talked about that, talk

437
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Speaker 1: about the challenge that a big guy has to face

438
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Speaker 1: and coming back from an A c L as a

439
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, it's tough. It's tough. I mean you're coming

440
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Speaker 1: off of a c L. They says at least a

441
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Speaker 1: year injury. I think he heard his knee back in

442
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Speaker 1: August or whatever of last year. Uh so he's he's

443
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Speaker 1: reached that year. But it's different for everybody. And they say,

444
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Speaker 1: really a year, but it can be you know, a

445
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Speaker 1: year plus or whatever the case may be. And and

446
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,639
Speaker 1: Calvin Benjamin being a big guy who's already uh, physically

447
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 1: challenged just because of his size of getting in and

448
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Speaker 1: out of his brakes. And I just saw a couple

449
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Speaker 1: of routes that he ran yesterday last night in the

450
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Speaker 1: game that I'm not sure if he's a hundred percent

451
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Speaker 1: healthy or what, you know, but him being a big

452
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Speaker 1: guy and you're dealing with your knees, you gotta be

453
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Speaker 1: as lud as you possibly can. Ask that knee a

454
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: swell up. I've been there, you know. And uh, just

455
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Speaker 1: him being able to get down low and create separation.

456
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Speaker 1: It just didn't look like the Calvin Benjamin before this injury.

457
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Speaker 1: And I know it takes time, and uh and maybe

458
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, you know, but it's just looking at it

459
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 1: on TV last night, It's just a couple of routes

460
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Speaker 1: that he was featured in. It didn't look smooth, it

461
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: didn't look fluid. It just looked like something wasn't right.

462
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Speaker 1: He's a he's a runaway guy, man, He's gotta be

463
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Speaker 1: running away, keeping on the moves, crossers, slants post but

464
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 1: asking him to drop his weight, running, running, running, curl

465
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Speaker 1: route some stuff like he's facing up, he's facing up

466
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Yeah, it's tough, it's it's funny. Um, Reggie

467
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Speaker 1: can add some nuance to this because a lot of

468
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: times it's different, Like in coaching high schools or whatever,

469
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: you have smaller guys were easier to teach, but big

470
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 1: guys get him. Big guys to learn how to run

471
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Speaker 1: digs and curls and comebacks. Can you kind of share

472
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Speaker 1: some light on the differences or the challenges that a

473
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Speaker 1: big guy will have and running some of those intermediate

474
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Speaker 1: routes as opposed to an average shift. Well, well you

475
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: know what route running is all about, the change of direction,

476
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Speaker 1: being able to trans transfer that that weight to go

477
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: a different way. Um. And when you have a big guy,

478
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Speaker 1: you know, a six two six three six four guy,

479
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: he's so tall right today, it just takes a little

480
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: bit more time for him to actually sink his hips

481
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Speaker 1: and be able to change that direction as quick as

482
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Speaker 1: a smaller guy. It's just, you know the nature of physics,

483
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 1: it just goes against them, you know, those guys. But

484
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Speaker 1: that's why you see more big guys. Just if you

485
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: look at you know, like Mike Evans Vincent Jackson last night.

486
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: You know, Jamis Winston just throwing in the area and

487
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: they were just big body and guy and that's just

488
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Speaker 1: how it is, you know, because that's that's what they're

489
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Speaker 1: you know, their their features there, they're just bigger guys.

490
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Speaker 1: So you just they can just box everybody out and

491
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Speaker 1: just throw it up and get him the ball. Compared

492
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Speaker 1: to a young guy who's you know, he can his

493
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Speaker 1: steps are are They're not as long, you know, they

494
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Speaker 1: can get more. You know, they're more quicker and able

495
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Speaker 1: to you know, an agile to be able to move

496
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Speaker 1: in and out. And I just think with bigger guys,

497
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Speaker 1: it just takes it, you know, it just takes a

498
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Speaker 1: little different. That's why when you find like a uh,

499
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Speaker 1: Julio Jones and and a j you know, those guys

500
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Speaker 1: are Yeah, they are unique, special in the freakish category.

501
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: Those guys are able to do that. Not everybody everybody

502
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Speaker 1: can do it. Last thing, I'm gonna hit you with regime.

503
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: We gotta let you run. But um we watch Antonio Brown.

504
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Speaker 1: We're talking about them all the time, you know, just

505
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Speaker 1: how rare and how special. And we always in Scotty,

506
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: always trying to comptis right, who's he reminds you of?

507
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: And then when you're sitting there, I'd love to get

508
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Speaker 1: your take on how would you compare Marvin with Antonio Brown?

509
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: Very similar, very similar guys. Um, they're they're more quick

510
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Speaker 1: than they are fast exactly. Yeah, you know, like they

511
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Speaker 1: can get in and out of breaks super fast. I mean,

512
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Speaker 1: you blink, youall you you miss them? And uh, you

513
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: know those two guys that I just think, you know,

514
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Speaker 1: you get them in the in the area, in a

515
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: wide open space, they're gonna make that guy miss. They're

516
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Speaker 1: gonna make that first guy miss. It's just their feet

517
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Speaker 1: them there, They're just that quick. Their feet are moving

518
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: so fast. And you know, for me, I would watch

519
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Speaker 1: Marv on film and for every you know, three steps

520
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Speaker 1: that I take, he's he's he's already had five, you know.

521
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: And it's just guys, you know, my strides are just longer.

522
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Speaker 1: These guys are able to put that you know, bring

523
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Speaker 1: that foot up and put it down so quick. So

524
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Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to to get that step on them.

525
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Speaker 1: And that's just the way it is. And I always

526
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Speaker 1: used to say, old teammate of mind back in college,

527
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Speaker 1: Santana Moss, who I thought had the first ten yards

528
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: the fastest ten yards I've ever seen, you know, and

529
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Speaker 1: that alone, man, yeah, man, because they would eat up

530
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Speaker 1: that cushion or the defenders so quick. And then you

531
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Speaker 1: I go. I remember I used to go back and

532
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: I used to try it on my own, like I

533
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Speaker 1: even get my feet up and put it down the scratch.

534
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Speaker 1: But it's it's hard if you haven't been doing that.

535
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to just all of a sudden say hey,

536
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Speaker 1: that's how I'm gonna do it, because all of a sudden,

537
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Speaker 1: now you're changing the whole dynamic of the way you operate.

538
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: So you Santana would kill it. This is his style

539
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: of play right now. And it's funny we're talking about

540
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Speaker 1: this because we we just talked about this last week.

541
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Speaker 1: You know. It's like because I always out said, man,

542
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Speaker 1: if I had your first ten yards, I'd probably still

543
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: be playing, you know, like and and but it was

544
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: like these these smaller, quicker guys, even though you can

545
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: kind of tell us it's it's a big receiver league.

546
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: A lot of people are going big, but you get

547
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: those smaller guys, you know, the Antonio Browns, the Odell Beckhams,

548
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: you know those guys let that if you can get

549
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: the ball in their hands, like we said earlier, they

550
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: got that punt return mentality. They if you get the

551
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: ball in their hands, big things canna happen. All right,

552
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: So that was the last thing. This is really for

553
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Speaker 1: the last thing. Confidence Meeter, Bucky, I'll start with you. You

554
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: You wouldn't see Miami on a scale one to ten.

555
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 1: How confident guarantee guarantee ten? You get right there? Well?

556
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Speaker 1: How how we both go go tends? Because because I

557
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Speaker 1: got a tend that we go No. I mean, I'm thinking,

558
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of angry Tario bunch. Are we down? Come

559
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: on downside? Oh that's perfect for us, It's perfect. I

560
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: think I think it might I think it might get ugly.

561
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: I think we made Molly come. You better. You better

562
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: hope that sun ay you're coming back and sorry, you

563
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: gotta come back next week just for that game. We

564
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: won't take you long. But what are you doing tomorrow night?

565
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: Wednesday night? I'm doing night? What do people normally do

566
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday night? I don't know. Relax, get yourself

567
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: a blanket, you snuggle up, and you flip on that

568
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: app State Louisiana Yeah, we got a Wednesday night a

569
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Speaker 1: red Where is the matter? Wow? He's the great Reggie Wayne,

570
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: Thanks due appreciate it. Um. Watching it, I was very

571
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: impressed with not only Texas and M and the players

572
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: that have I'm a huge fan of the wide receiver

573
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: Texas and M Christian Kirk, having watched him from the

574
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: time he was in high school. He makes plays and

575
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: does everything. I was looking at some of the other

576
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: guys that they have on offense, but I can't keep

577
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: my eyes off my scared and what he does. And

578
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: I know we've talked about it off air. Um. Fantastic

579
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: pass rusher, versatile player, a guy that can play anywhere

580
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: along the line, and he just has a natural knack

581
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: for getting home. He is a very impressive playmaker. It's

582
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: one of those kind of foundational players that I think

583
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: would be in the draft class if he elects to

584
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: come out. If he didn't like to come out, and

585
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: gonna mention decision for folks, buck Um. If you're in

586
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: need of a quarterback, do you feel good enough about

587
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback to maybe potentially pass on a guy we

588
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: feel could be Julius Pepper's esque with some of the

589
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: things he does you know, it's funny because as we

590
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: started looking at this class, I don't know if there's

591
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: a guy like that. And I know we kind of

592
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: have a tendency to say that every year. Oh, I

593
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a quarterback worthy of being number one.

594
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: But I really believe this year, if someone goes at

595
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: one or two, it is really a manufactured quarterback at

596
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: one or two, because based on what I've seen through

597
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: the first five six weeks of the season, I don't

598
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: know if there's a true classic franchise quarterback in this draft.

599
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: And I love Deshaun Watson and what he potentially could do,

600
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I'm necessarily convinced that he's

601
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: consistent enough to marry that kind of great I like

602
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaizer because I think of all the quarterbacks, he

603
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: has the prototypical dimensions that you look for the position.

604
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: He's heady, he has some dual three capabilities, and a

605
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: big arm. The problem is he also has a little

606
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: bit of a turnover issue. Some of that is not

607
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: all on him, but it's one of those things we

608
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: have to vet. And you also wonder has he played

609
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: enough games to kind of warring consideration at the top

610
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: of the board. It's one of those conversations it'll be

611
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: interesting to have. You know, Look, I'm always I'm usually

612
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: one of those guys, especially like running back. Is that

613
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: no brainer? Hey, as soon as you can get that,

614
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: get paid for your work, go get paid for your work.

615
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: But the quarterbacks, I was thinking even this year you

616
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: got Cody Kesler has had some success. Hugh Jackson with

617
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: a four year guy. It was a Senior Bowl guy, right, yes,

618
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: so had a long a lot of reps in college

619
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: and goes a Senior Bowl. Carson Wentz, even though he

620
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: didn't start during his career, he was learning, learning the

621
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: game at the college level, has a full career, goes

622
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: to Senior Bowl. He's doing his thing. Dak Prescott full

623
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: career in Mississippi State, didn't leave, didn't leave early, gets

624
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: that full experience. Another senior Bowl guy who's played, uh,

625
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, even Jacoby Brisetta who saw on the field

626
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: for a little bit experience. The one guy that we've seen,

627
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: the rookie that we've seen that didn't have that full experience.

628
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: Paxson Lynch who struggle a little bit in that game

629
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: against the Atlanta Falcons where they just went ahead and said, Okay,

630
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to beat us. You know, I think

631
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: that's an interesting thing bec because with the quarterbacks, I

632
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: do believe experiencing repetitions matter because that position is unique

633
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: to any other position on the field. You're in control

634
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: of a lot of things, a lot of moving parts

635
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: that you're responsible for, and to see the complexities of

636
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: the defense. Reps matter at the quarterback position. And I

637
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: think the common denominator, as you alluded to with the

638
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: young guys having success, all were fourth or fifth year guys,

639
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: all spent the entire time at college. They were able

640
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: to get those extra practice reps, those extra game reps,

641
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: and I think it matters, and it's one of the

642
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: things that I think these young guys who could be

643
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: contemplating a jump they need to consider are you trying

644
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: to come and get the fast cash. Are you trying

645
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: to be able a career, because based on what the

646
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: league may start trending to, they're gonna start looking for

647
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: those guys to have a little more seasoning on them,

648
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: because those are the guys that appears you can get

649
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: ready to play and have success with. To me, it

650
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: goes all the way back to Peyton right had that

651
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: decision to make way back in the day, and he

652
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: started to go back to Tennessee and uh and we

653
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: all know how that ended up. All right, back, let's

654
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: get know some of these other games them the weekend

655
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: Alabama Arkansas. Alabama just let do whatever they want. They

656
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: can do whatever they want. And they have a talented team.

657
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of the people will

658
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: always talk about what they have upfront, but Menca Fitzpatrick

659
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: um is a young guy, Eddie Jackson safety Eddie Jackson.

660
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: Some of their cornerbacks, they have guys that are just very,

661
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: very smart. Humphrey is exactly what we're talking about, a

662
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: guy who has legacy. His dad, Bobby Humphrey played in

663
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: the league for a while. They have nice, smart players,

664
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: and they're really doing it in a different way in

665
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: the back in because they've taken four guys who are

666
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: really cornerbacks and put them in secondary positions. As we

667
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: look at the league and what we're looking for at

668
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: those positions, we're looking for the hybrid players, the guys

669
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: that can play inside and outside safeties, that can play

670
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: like cover corners and the like. I think there's some

671
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: value to what Alabama's doing. I think a lot of

672
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: people are looking and they're back in and there's some

673
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: intrigue over their young guys. All right, here's a question

674
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: for you. I don't want to talk about this game

675
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: because it was it was deplorable performance by Rutgers. But

676
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: Michigan jabrelle Uppers, what position is he at the next level?

677
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: You know? I think he's that new hybrid. I think

678
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: I've heard it uh coined on TV as a monster back.

679
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: If you think about um when we were kids and

680
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: we played football, we always had a rover. The rover

681
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: was the strong safety, whatever side linebacker type. I think

682
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: the league is transitioned into that. We saw it with

683
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: Daon Buchanan going in the first round because even I

684
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: scratcheder here, like what are they doing? He's not really

685
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: a safety like that? But then they end up playing

686
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: him at dollar linebacker. Last year, Suet craven is going

687
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: in the draft and being kind of one of those

688
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: hybrid guys Miles Jack would qualify some of the other

689
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: players that we're seeing, And so I just believe with

690
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: the Jabril Peppers, you have a lot of flexibility and

691
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: versatility in terms of how you want to use him

692
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: on the second level. Yeah. To me, it's it's trying

693
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: to find is this a you know, is he is

694
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: it a corner safety hybrid? Is it a safety linebacker hybrid? Like?

695
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: How does he fit into me? Like I look at Matthew,

696
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: how he's been used. I think Pep first can do

697
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. I think you can line

698
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: him up with some those bigger slots, let him cover

699
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: in there and be a nasty force player as well

700
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: against the run. So man, he he just opened so

701
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: many doors and then you have the added value what

702
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: he did in the return game. That return was nasty.

703
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: The return was nasty. But also what he's been able

704
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: to do is kind of dear wildcat quarterback or doing

705
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: some of those things. I think, to me, what that

706
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: shows is really his athleticism, because I still question a

707
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: little bit how fast he is. But then when I

708
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: see him with the ball in his hands, I'm like, man,

709
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: maybe I'm underestimating his quickness, his birth, his explosiveness. He's

710
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: a very very talented player, but he comes out with

711
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: there a lot of talented players, and that's safe. It's

712
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: unbelievable position time. We talked about him before, but Hooker

713
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: from Malik Hooker from Ohio State. As they stud he

714
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: is a stud, Jamal Adams is a stud. A couple

715
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: of kids at A and M too Safe is a

716
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: Day and M there Evans, Yeah, make some places. There

717
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys I mean kid at Utahs,

718
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: by the way, in the scouting community. I've just seen

719
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: some some highlight clips. I haven't done him yet. Marcus

720
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: Williams that Utah. Everybody loves that. Yes, there are a

721
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: lot of man There's a lot of fascination and buzz

722
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: about a lot of guys that can play in the

723
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: middle of the field. And as we're seeing with these

724
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: basketball player like tight ends that are creating chaos, you

725
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: need to have a guy that can match up with

726
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: them and do some other things in the middle of field.

727
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: I believe safety is becoming a position that may even

728
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: exceed what you get from a corner because firstile safeties

729
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: give you the ability to have a guy that can

730
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: play maybe three or four positions at one time. Huskies,

731
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: what do you think I'm buying? Very impressive the way

732
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: they took Oregon to the ship. It's hard to believe

733
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: that Oregon just a few years ago was a program

734
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: that was just churning out. Look last year. If if

735
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback isn't doesn't have a hurt hand against Michigan State,

736
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: they probably win that game. We're looking at the potential

737
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: playoff team. So far they've fallen Um Washington took it

738
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: to him, And I'm really impressed with Washington. Their speed,

739
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: everything that they have on both sides of the ball.

740
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: And they're so young that he's just getting his his

741
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: his his print on what they're eventually going to be.

742
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you, John Ross to me was

743
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: a guy couldn't take my eyes off of. Uh. Hard

744
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: to find a fast wide receiver that can do some

745
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: of the things that he can do. I loved his

746
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: route running ability. I like his hands. I like his

747
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: awareness in terms of his body control, catching the ball

748
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: along the boundary and and in the back of the

749
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: end zone. He's a talented player, and I know that

750
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: we always have a tendency to kind of fall in

751
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: love with the speed guys as the draft kicks is closer.

752
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: The thing that separates him from some of those other guys.

753
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: He's a true route runner, a true receiver, and it's

754
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: hard to find those four three guys that also had

755
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: the other traits to maybe be a number one receiver.

756
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: Just from what you've seen right now, how would you

757
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: compare to will full I think he's an upgrade over

758
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: will Fuller. And it's funny. When I was looking at him,

759
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: I was like, man, if will Fuller can go into

760
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: twenties with the issues that he may have had with

761
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: his hands, he had thirty touchdowns his last two seasons

762
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame, but he was still more of a

763
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: fifty fifty guy. This guy is far and above a

764
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: better pass catcher, more natural pass catcher, and I would

765
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: even say a better route runner. I think they has

766
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: to put him as a top fifteen type talent just

767
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: looking at him on the surface without extensive study about him.

768
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: And uh In Coleman from from Baylor, who by the way,

769
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: it was off to a great start before he got

770
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: hurt for the Browns off to a great start. But

771
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: I think he has uh the thing that would gives

772
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: run more routes. I know that he's run more routes,

773
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: he has more experience him and and the thing about

774
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson is Chris Peterson. They run a pro style offense.

775
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: Even though you see a lot of Spray principles. They

776
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: do a great job of teaching their guys how to

777
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: run routes, and I think he will have an advantage

778
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: when he comes to the league because he knows how

779
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: to do some of the subtleties and nuances of playing

780
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: the position. I thought Dalvin Cook ran his butt off

781
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: against Miami. He ran hard, Man, he was bouncing off tackle.

782
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: Nice long touchdown catch as well. Man, You know, it

783
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: was funny. I went back and watch the tape buck

784
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to see in past protection man. With the

785
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: way these offenses are now, I think he twice maybe

786
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: he was kept in. I mean, he just released these guys.

787
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: I asked him block anybody. So that's still gonna be

788
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of adjustment for him at the next

789
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: level with some of the pass pro stuff, but running

790
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: the ball with some power. He also got hard. He

791
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: did get hawked on a long run he did by Miami.

792
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: I think he's got really good speed. He doesn't have

793
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: that just you know, blow the doors off. So I

794
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: think he's a tough, physical runner. He is is very

795
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: very impressive with the ball in his hand. What do

796
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: you think about What do you think about Ray Rice?

797
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: That's my when I watched Rice, that's a nice comparison.

798
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: That's a nice comparison. Very Rice had a very very

799
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: productive career, was a guy that kind of put that

800
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: offense on his back for years and years. I certainly

801
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: can see Dalvin Cook being that in that same game.

802
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: On the other side of the ball. For the Florida

803
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: State Seminoles, I was impressed with two of their front

804
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: line players. Umer has always been kind of the name brand,

805
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, He's a guy that can come off the

806
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: edge and make some block the kick too. I think

807
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: he did block the kid play very very well. And

808
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: the number ninety one I think is Nandi the Nandy.

809
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: With that I wrote a back remember the name right

810
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: now I have a blank, but number ninety one inside

811
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: he was there three technique, flashed a lot, big hands,

812
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: nice with his hands in terms of getting off That

813
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: combination for Florida State was very impressive, and I think

814
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: a lot of NFL scouts would spend time looking at

815
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: their front line guys on defense because both of those

816
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: guys were very, very talented and very disruptive. All Right,

817
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: Oklahoma end up being a little bit of a closer game.

818
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: THETT Charlie strong Buck. I know we're, you know, talking

819
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: about players and how they project and all that, But

820
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: he's not gonna survive this thing, is he. I think

821
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a tough time surviving. And um, it's unfortunate,

822
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: but you talked about what a person loaded with young

823
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: talent he needs to buy time. The problem that he

824
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: has is, for whatever reason, he's gotta alienated a little

825
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: bit of the fan base in Texas. But what he's

826
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: trying to do it's hard to accomplish. It's hard to

827
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: play great defense with an up temple offense. And the

828
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: reason it's so hard is because the extra plays exposes

829
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: your defense at leads to fatigue. I believe that there's

830
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: a pitch count for all defenses, and that pitch count

831
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: is right around seventy plays. When you allow the other

832
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 1: team to have a hundred hundred plus plays as one point,

833
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: you're going to wear down. And so even though it

834
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: has been great for their offense, it has really crushed

835
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: their defense. And so when you give up forty some

836
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: points and you give up six seven hundred yards, it's

837
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to say. I'm taking the sheet from

838
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: the de coordinator and you probably still put up more

839
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: points than you're accustomed to seeing. He's gonna have a

840
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: tough time surviving despite all the work that he's done

841
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: as recruiting. That's kind of the way you have to

842
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: play in the Big twelve though. I mean, remember TCU

843
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: defensively was one of the best defenses in the country.

844
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: Gary Patterson knows defense now, and they were awesome on

845
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. Finally, just like we

846
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: gotta score more points. That's just the way the games

847
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: played in that conference. So he he kind of sold

848
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: his soul a little bit to that style of offense

849
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, they're scoring a boatload points.

850
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: Now they're giving up a good chunk. But that's how

851
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: you win games in that conference. Yeah, it's just so

852
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: hard right now that you can't control it. And the

853
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: funny thing even when you see a team like Navy

854
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: knockoff of Houston. I mean, I know Houston isn't in

855
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: the Big twill yet maybe they get in or whatever,

856
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: but this is a team, a Navy team that controls

857
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: the clock by running to football and you had it's

858
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: still a high forties game, and so it is the

859
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: nature college football It's hard to play really good defense

860
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: when people are going so fast because they wear your

861
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: defenders out. And I just don't know what you can

862
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: do as a coach to kind of slow it down

863
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: unless you change your offensive preference. USC beat Colorado. Look

864
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: at the USC, I don't know what how they're gonna

865
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: finish the year. They have enough ability and enough talenter

866
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: that they could conceivably run the table. I know Washington

867
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: looks like a world beater right now, but I think

868
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: USC is the one team that could give them some trouble.

869
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: And I think that I think even the Washington people

870
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: would acknowledge that maybe USC has more talent than then.

871
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: I went to that game last year, USC gave it away.

872
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: If they'd ran the ball, they would have won that game.

873
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: And when I look at USC as they're beginning to

874
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: find their way, I think the quarterback change has been

875
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: great for them. They found a way to get Juju

876
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster involved us the tight ends. For the first

877
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: time in a while, I thought it was Fred Davis

878
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: rolling around out there. You know, they have some guy

879
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: that are making plays on offensive defense is playing with

880
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson is really kind of up and making some

881
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: plays now. I will say this to people that are

882
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: evaluating him as he may be contemplates to jump. I

883
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: think he's more of a playmaker than a covered corner. Um.

884
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: If you can think of Asante Samuel and how Assante

885
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: Samuel play. He's gonna give up, He's gonna give up

886
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: some plays in front, He's gonna give up some plays

887
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: occasionally over the top. I don't know if he has

888
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: um extraordinary wheels in terms of speed playing speed, but

889
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: what he does have a nice instincts, great hands, and

890
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: playmaking ability, and there's a value to that in certain defenses.

891
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: I believe he's more of a zone corner than a

892
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: man to man corner. That's how I would kind of

893
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: categorize him. And and people are, you'll get hit on

894
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: this something, we can let you clarify that too. You

895
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: can see him run guys down from behind, that he's

896
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: got that kind of hundred two speed and he can

897
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: get roll on when he does that. But maybe some

898
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: of that just that right now, sudden sudden, this is

899
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: what we talked about. That that that that explosive burst

900
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: when it comes from going backwards the awards um turning

901
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: and running on go route. Sometimes I worry about that,

902
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: and I know scouts will always point out that play

903
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: last year where Will Fuller ran by him and those things.

904
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: The thing about a Dory is when you look at him,

905
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a guy that just continued to refine his technique,

906
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: continue to refine his instincts. He's always been very, very talented,

907
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: but now I believe his football, like you, is catching

908
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: up to the talent. And now we're going to see

909
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: him make more plays on a consistent basis. So you

910
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: have to be encouraged by that. No question. Um, I

911
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: saved it for a last Bucky. I didn't. I don't

912
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 1: want to do it. I don't want to do this time.

913
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: But just briefly, what in the world happened to the Tarios?

914
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: We we we we We got drunk with success. We

915
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: didn't handle success very well. We were on every show.

916
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: I was guilty, even guilty of pumping up my quarterback

917
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: Mit Trabinsky for Trabinsky for being uh, a guy who

918
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: was very impressive. Kind of reminded me of Smith. And

919
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: then they went out and went to bed. Of course,

920
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: the conditions didn't help them. It was a steady down

921
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: for but I mean, truth be told and watching that game.

922
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: The Hokeys whooped him physically. They knocked them around, they

923
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: beat them up. We have some turnovers, we have some drops. Uh.

924
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer, who I love, dropped a few passes in

925
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: the rain, and so they have to make plays. They're

926
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: saving graces. They get a Miami team this week where

927
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: they can make amends for it, and I'm hoping that

928
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: they come up with a better performance. But what they

929
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: put on tape against Virginia Tech, no not what not

930
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: not not what I wanted to see. All Right, I'm

931
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: just gonna do it. I feel bad, but I'm gonna

932
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: do it. Eight first downs, two of fourteen on third down,

933
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one total yards. Uh. They averaged one

934
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: point eight yards per pass, two picks um eight penalties

935
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: mixed those in four turnovers the time of possession. V

936
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: Tech had it for forty minutes. Basically, you had it

937
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: for twenty DJ watching the game, I didn't see it,

938
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: so I watched an ugly box score. I had to

939
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: watch it, and and and and being an alum is hard.

940
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to turn the channel, but I couldn't

941
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: because you can't give up on your squad. But they

942
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: got what from beginning to end, and they showed no

943
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: glimmer of getting back into the mix. And so yeah,

944
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: you just have to I don't even know if you

945
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: showed the tape to the team, but Miami's on deck.

946
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: It's a big one in Miami, right back in the mix.

947
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: Everything's right there in front of him. I'm excited to

948
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: see the Miami game for two reasons. One, I want

949
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: to see how brad Hire responds. It's an interesting quarterbacks.

950
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: See how both these quarterbacks, how they both were found.

951
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, for the North Carolina quarterback playing against a

952
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: fast NFL caliber defense, let's see how he's able to

953
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: fit things in. He was impressive against fari to state.

954
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: Let see if he can do it again against Miami. Alright, Buck,

955
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: I know, Uh Wednesday, And what's a typical Wednesday night

956
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: for you? Well, Wednesday night normally at the high school

957
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: because we have night practice. Then I get home and

958
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: I kind of have to write a little bit for

959
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: that notebook, the notebook that you and I work together,

960
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: and then on my own notebook. So is your Wednesday

961
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: night light? Well, normally I think there's this, uh what

962
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: is it the new key for Sutherland show? Oh yeah,

963
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: that's nice. I'm a big key for Sutherland fan. But

964
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: this Wednesday night, I'll be curled up watching a little

965
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: Sunbelt action state on a Wednesday. We got a Wednesday

966
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: night or I can't even find this thing? Where is

967
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: this thing? What are you playing? Uh? We uh? Are

968
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: you on TV? Yeah? Of course you don't play Wednesday

969
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: night if you're not gonna be on TV. Yeah, I

970
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: mean I don't know. Its campus game, sun Belt Wednesday

971
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: night football. It is? It is? It is this home game.

972
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: Who do we have I'm looking this up right now.

973
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: We have a crew that can that can get out there. Oh,

974
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: we are on the road. We are at Louisiana Lafayette.

975
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: So what's the I I went to Lafayette right and

976
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, it's a big one for for

977
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: US bragging rights. Uh yeah, that's a The people in

978
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: the desert feel like we're touchdown on a field goal

979
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: better than uh. I mean, y'all y'a. I mean you

980
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: should have beat Tennessee Wednesday night. How about Wednesday night football? Man,

981
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: it's like a bye week. I don't worry about that anyway. Sorry,

982
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: let's that's that'll do it for us? Buck. We had

983
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: nice to have Reggie Wayne in here. Good chat with him,

984
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: and uh we'll be back again later this week preview

985
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: a great weekend of college games as well as NFL games.

986
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: Sound good? Sound good for me? All right, we'll catch

987
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,759
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988
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989
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990
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991
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