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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Nodunks Podcast. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: October fifteenth, twenty twenty five. We are less than one

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Speaker 1: week away from the start of the NBA season. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jay Skeiths here in the Classic Factory and alongside me

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Speaker 1: as always Task Mellice.

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Speaker 2: Guest listeners, this is for you.

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Speaker 1: Next to him, it's my top shot, hop Boy, Trey Kirby, Ao,

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Speaker 1: Hey Yo, and over Yonder making the magic happen. Super

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Speaker 1: producer JD Hello, O, right to your camera, great Switches,

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Speaker 1: I have a great show today. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Hit the like button, subscribe podcast listeners, five star ratings

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Speaker 1: and reviews. Today we continue our NBA season preview series.

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Speaker 1: We've made our over under predictions. We've drafted potential first

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Speaker 1: time All Stars, we picked all the major award winners,

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Speaker 1: and today we rank all thirty teams across five tiers.

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Speaker 1: Trey our tears, my man? What are they this? Sen Oh?

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Speaker 1: Our teers? My man?

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Speaker 3: Our top tier is the title contenders. That's followed by

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Speaker 3: the final four flirts. Our Playoff Locks is the middle tier.

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Speaker 3: Play in Hopefuls is the fourth tier, and down at

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Speaker 3: the bottom, we don't know who's gonna be the number

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Speaker 3: one draft pick this year. A few guys who are

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Speaker 3: in the mix, so we're just calling them the nut dusters,

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Speaker 3: Oh right, because these are potential entries in the nut

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Speaker 3: dust Bowl once we get a little further into the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And for those that don't know, maybe new to

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Speaker 1: the show this year, the nut dust Bowl is when

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Speaker 1: we select each one of the crappiest teams in the

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Speaker 1: league and we basically have a race to the bottom.

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Speaker 1: You try and avoid the worst of the worst, because

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Speaker 1: if you have that team, you got to do a

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Speaker 1: shot glass of nut dust. Yeah, you do. We're saving

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Speaker 1: it up the whole year this year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm it's in my mind. We got nuts just

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Speaker 3: flying out the cabinet back home, So I'm gonna hang

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Speaker 3: on to my dust for a full six months.

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Speaker 1: It'll be we can maybe do like a full glass.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we crank it up a little

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Speaker 1: like the shot glass. Dare I say? It was almost

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Speaker 1: too easy?

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely flavorful as well, right, and it's a pure flavor.

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Speaker 2: It's tasty. I had I had my worst nut experience

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Speaker 2: since moving down to the South this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 2: I boiled peanuts.

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Speaker 1: Not a fan.

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Speaker 2: You don't like Oh I thought I would. I thought

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Speaker 2: I would. I thought I was putting it off for

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Speaker 2: twelve years. I finally had him for the first time

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Speaker 2: because I like, I like nuts at a sporting game. Sure,

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Speaker 2: I thought they'd be shelled, but instead you got to

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Speaker 2: you got to break into a hot, soft peanut shell

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Speaker 2: and then you taste a real, real soft peanut. They

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Speaker 2: don't taste like I mean, they taste like peanuts, but

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Speaker 2: it's just it's hard to get. They can't be salted

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Speaker 2: because they have the shell around them. There's not a

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Speaker 2: lot of flavor, unlike a shotgun of nut dust that's

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Speaker 1: So boiled peanuts. Our guy, Jared, Yeah, going to be.

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Speaker 1: He's a good old boy. That's the thing. He's the

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Speaker 1: type of guy you're driving down some interstate or some

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Speaker 1: country road you're like, well, hold on, boiled peanuts. They're

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Speaker 1: selling them on the side, Like he'll always pull over.

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Speaker 2: That's why I get sucked in. I guess too, because

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Speaker 2: you just see him on every road.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anything that's on the side of the road, You're like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I'm not a fan.

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Speaker 2: Weird two hundred proof moonshine on the side of one road.

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Speaker 2: Not for me, but also, you gotta go through the

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Speaker 1: I thought you ate the shell. That's what some people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's soft. Some people do, which I find

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Speaker 3: I went boiled peanuts within the first two months we

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's not bag of boiled peanuts instead of the

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Speaker 1: something to think about. Okay, let's get into it. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna try this under ninety minutes, thirty teams to rank here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, he says. Okay, you ever know, I never know.

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Speaker 1: Some of these are easy, exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to spend a whole lot of time.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot of these. We talked about

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Speaker 1: all these teams will be over under prediction, So let's

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Speaker 1: do it. The Atlanta Hawks cacka.

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Speaker 2: That's tough one. This mighty last a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, This one is actually an interesting one. But look,

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Speaker 3: I think in general we get a little lost in

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Speaker 3: the sauce when it comes to the names of the

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Speaker 3: tiers sky it should just be one, two, three, four, five.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry so much about if it's a Final four

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Speaker 1: Is this a top tier team or is this a

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Speaker 3: We're talking about the Atlanta Hawks forty and forty two

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Speaker 3: last season, eighth in the Eastern Conference. They added Christas Porzingis, Nikail,

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Speaker 3: Alexander Walker, Luke Canard, and they're hoping Jalen Johnson stays healthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do we think? They're a playoff luck? They're

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Speaker 1: a playoff lack. I can't go higher.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you can't go higher. The question is between tier

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Speaker 2: three and tier four. If you want to call them that, tray,

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Speaker 2: it's playing hopeful.

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Speaker 1: If this is not a playoff lock, then this is

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Speaker 1: the last year we see Trey Young with the Atlanta Hawks.

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Speaker 1: Book it okay. If they are not make the playoffs

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Speaker 1: the play And is my point, they should be in

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Speaker 1: at least on paper, the best squad they've put around

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Speaker 1: Trey Young, the most surrounding two way talent, no doubt,

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Speaker 1: there are expectations now and those expectations are to get

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Speaker 1: So that's where I put them in tier three here

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Speaker 1: in the playoff lock.

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Speaker 2: I think we know that there are going to be

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Speaker 2: and so it's it's bordering on a situation where they

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Speaker 1: It could be that this is the Hawks we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's more likely they'll be forty one and forty one.

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Speaker 1: But I am saying, I'm like doubling down. It has

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, Yeah, there's a reason to be hopeful

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Speaker 2: Jalen Johnson, that guy is freaking awesome in preseason, the

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Speaker 2: good reasons to be excited about this team, bowie shall see,

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Speaker 2: so we can throw him in a playoff lock.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, playoff lock sounds good. I think they're the fourth best.

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Speaker 2: Team in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 1: Person wow wow wow, order tier two. But I think

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Speaker 3: Though I was not encouraged Trey Young tweeting it's just

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Speaker 3: business with like some weird emojis. This guy's up for

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Speaker 3: an extension, and it seems like the Hawks are hesitating

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Speaker 1: So I wonder if that hangs over the season like it.

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about that announcement that he's making tonight

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Speaker 2: as we record here on Wednesday, October fifteenth, that thing

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Speaker 2: he's making an announcement sitting across from Adam Lefki.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that, but no, he tweeted, it's just business,

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Speaker 3: like a little dot dot dot and some.

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Speaker 1: Worrying emojis. What are you talking?

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Speaker 2: Well, they might be to that. It might be tied

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Speaker 1: What's announcing?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It looks like a Lebron Hennessy. Basically,

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Speaker 2: it's some sort of ad is what it feels like,

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Speaker 1: He also just did a song with Quavo and two

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Speaker 1: Chains or something like that, So.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that maybe, I don't know, But you're saying they're

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Speaker 2: a top four a lock. Then you're saying they're above.

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Speaker 1: I think Cleveland Calves and Orlando Magic, and so they're

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Speaker 3: Next team up four grads the Boston Celtics. Last year

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Speaker 3: they won sixty one and twenty one, finished second in

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Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference. But they got a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: Maybe he comes back towards the end. Christaps Porzingis, Drew Holiday,

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Speaker 3: Chris bouchet Is in. Their coaches just beat their media

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Speaker 3: fifty seven to four in a twelve minute games. So

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Speaker 3: that's going to influence your decision. But if it comes

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Speaker 1: How much did you read into that? I read every

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Speaker 1: Missoula is like, f that, you're playing us, let's go,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna beat your ass, which they, of course, and

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Speaker 1: they full court pressed for twelve straight minutes. Bazola you sicko.

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Speaker 1: It was fifty seven to four in twelve minutes. Holy yeah, rap.

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Speaker 1: I mean respect to the one or two people that

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Speaker 1: scored were made. I saw no suppressed, did they? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Maybe it was a transition sort of thing, but Noah

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Speaker 3: Deelzel over at Celtic Blog was like, I was happy

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Speaker 3: to get a rebound, and these are like, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Joe Missoula played D one basketball, you know years ago.

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Speaker 1: There's the Phil Pressy was like a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 3: Guy in the NBA who's around for a little bit.

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Speaker 3: He's on the team. God Jam God Junior was.

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Speaker 1: Playing for the team. There's other D one guys.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of skills on the Celtics mid court shots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty Yeah, they destroyed them.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't the gong like that? If I was playing? But

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Speaker 3: we're here in Atlanta, how.

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Speaker 1: Many points would we have scored if we were out

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Speaker 1: there easily six. I okay, So the Celtics, where do

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Speaker 1: you want to lock them in?

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Speaker 2: I guess you gotta put it the Hopeful. The playing

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Speaker 2: Hopeful is probably the place to put them. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: the teams that we just mentioned in the Eastern Conference

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Speaker 2: should be above them, and then we're getting into essentially

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Speaker 2: six teams above them. Close to it, they would hope

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Speaker 2: to be that sixth best team. I'd say they hope

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Speaker 2: to be the fifth best team.

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Speaker 1: But what happens when Jason Tatum's back on the court

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Speaker 1: by Christmas? I don't know, man, starting to think this

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Speaker 1: guy back through the We first thought the little dunkey, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they'll little dunk. I wrote a question for each of

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Speaker 1: these teams as we go through here, I do wonder

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Speaker 1: will they should they? Can they in this very mediocre

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like it wouldn't be surprising if they're the

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Speaker 1: Pretty weird. They're weirdness. Simon's going to be on the

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Speaker 1: I I got talent. I'm I'm more hopeful. I think

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Speaker 1: Twenty six and it goes eight from Charlotte.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's only one team with a bee I know,

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Speaker 3: the Brooklyn Nets twenty six and fifty six. Last year,

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Speaker 1: I'm a Danny Wolf guy myself, the Wolf. Sure, it

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Speaker 2: We worked out with Tyson at Tian who's a two

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Speaker 3: They were nineteen and sixty three last year, fourteenth in

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Speaker 3: twenty seven for Brandon Miller. Their big addition this summer

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Speaker 3: who else? I get Liam McNeely right at the end

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Speaker 3: of the first round. Ryan kulk Brewner might be starting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that or the bottom tier. I think I'm

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Speaker 2: In the East, it's hard to keep them out of

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a whole section of optimism. I don't

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Speaker 2: I think the Vets that they got to tap in

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Speaker 3: But I heard Zachlo have a big conversation about it

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Speaker 3: I think he's a good player. He just hasn't figured

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Speaker 3: their best perimeter defender is probably Colin Sexton. That's not great.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Still, they should make the play in

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Speaker 1: Well, then you're just going to say every team in

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Speaker 2: Almost well, I mean, yeah, I guess you'd have three

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Speaker 1: Nets and Wizards. Sure, yeah, I get all these questions

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Speaker 1: excited to see Brandon Miller hopefully back and healthy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like he was named defensive player of the Year by

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Speaker 1: I was a pretty good I saw him obviously in

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Speaker 2: He's a Blue Jay. Let's go Blue Jays, Let's get

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Speaker 1: I think I think they could be.

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Speaker 3: They could easily shoot up to twelfth in the Eastern

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking tenn see contenders, thirty nine and forty three.

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Speaker 3: Last year, ninth in the Eastern Conference. Lonzo Ball, see

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Speaker 1: I mean they have to be. That's where they go,

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Speaker 3: I mean there might be some Western Conference teams they're

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Speaker 3: We'll see area. They ain't going any higher.

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Speaker 1: No, they still can't believe Tim lug said he thinks

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Speaker 2: Proved me wrong.

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Speaker 3: He could be, but I don't really trust the front

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Speaker 3: twelve million dollars. You can't get a good player back

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Speaker 3: Star team. He's deep into his career, like he's a

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Speaker 3: So I think it's more likely that they end up

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Speaker 3: They need somebody who can actually shoot the ball from outside,

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Speaker 1: He can. I'm glad you brought up He's sort of

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Speaker 1: been there for a while. This is his he's going

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Speaker 1: It's like I had a triple check that I was like,

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Speaker 1: Maybe his way he plays, and I guess he's been

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Speaker 1: Let's hear your trade predictions with Kobe if he is

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 3: Our first top tier potential here the Cleveland Cavaliers sixty

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Speaker 3: full season from DeAndre Hunter. Currently Darius Garland and Max

434
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Speaker 3: Struse banged up to start the season. Where do we

435
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 3: like the Calves. Well, i'll tell you right now. Fan

436
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,919
Speaker 3: Duel has the Calves at plus six point fifty to

437
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 3: win the NBA Championship, and that's on That's second behind

438
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 3: obviously the Oklahoma City Thunder at plus two hundred. A's

439
00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 3: the second right now. Thunder, Calves, Nuggets, and Knicks top

440
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,679
Speaker 3: four in terms of odds to win.

441
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Speaker 2: The whole thing sounds like a gambling idea because it's

442
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 2: just basically, there's a website. Well, they're the highest Eastern

443
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 2: Conference team, you would think, and I think that's why

444
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 2: everyone Trey was just reluctant to say second over like

445
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 2: a Denver Nuggets are. Basically it's the top team in

446
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 2: the East. Basically is what it is after seeing what

447
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,360
Speaker 2: they did last year in the regular season, are they

448
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: the second biggest favorite to win the championship. No, I

449
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 2: don't think they are. But because everybody, everybody who gambles,

450
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 2: everybody who bets, has got to take an Eastern Conference

451
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 2: team higher than now.

452
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Speaker 1: Slapstias just took the Thunder to seven games. I mean mean,

453
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: damn close. Well, the point is some some Eastern Conference representative,

454
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Speaker 1: it's going to be there. A lot of people are

455
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 1: thinking a guaranty and you just got to win four

456
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Speaker 1: out of seven, is my point. Like, that's when you

457
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: get there. I wouldn't do it. You're saying that you

458
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Speaker 1: would have like four teams above them in the Western

459
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Speaker 1: conferen Yeah, I'm just thinking against any Eastern Conference. What

460
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Speaker 1: the linemakers have to do? They say that one. But

461
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Speaker 1: I am surprised that the Knicks are not higher. Yeah,

462
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, okay, that's well, that's a little interesting.

463
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Speaker 1: They're plus thirteen hundred to the plus six fifty, I

464
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Speaker 1: said of the Couch, So yeah, that is a little shocking.

465
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Speaker 1: All we get to with the Cavs is we know

466
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Speaker 1: they're going to be an awesome regular season team. We're

467
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Speaker 1: probably putting them, as we're saying here, in a title

468
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: contending position. But are there players good enough come the playoffs,

469
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: like to level up and stay healthy and all that

470
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Speaker 1: and win four series in a row. I mean, we

471
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Speaker 1: don't know. We haven't seen it. It's never even two

472
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Speaker 1: three in a row at this point.

473
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Speaker 3: I got my eyes on you. Darius Garland. He's the

474
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Speaker 3: big question mark for me that could maybe take them

475
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Speaker 3: over the top. He was a great clutch player last year,

476
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 3: but in the past two postseasons he's been banged up

477
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 3: or underperformed. Maybe they go hand in hand come playoff time.

478
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Speaker 3: They need him to be awesome. They need Jared Allen

479
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Speaker 3: to show up for these playoff games as well. At

480
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Speaker 3: the very least, they're the second best team in the

481
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Speaker 3: Eastern Yeah. No, I think that makes them a title contender.

482
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Speaker 1: I think so too. Yeah.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you get to the finals, you're a title contender,

484
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: I suppose. Yeah. I think a lot of it is

485
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 2: on Evan Mobley making it his fourth quarter more so

486
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 2: than just being a predictable guard play on that team

487
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: over and over again when it comes to crunch time.

488
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,719
Speaker 2: But getting there far healthier is important. So it is,

489
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,239
Speaker 2: and it hiss a lot on Darius Garland, shoulders even

490
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 2: a little on Jared Allen to get Donovan Mitchell there,

491
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Speaker 2: we're at a point where he doesn't have to freaking

492
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Speaker 2: carry the team. So we shall see.

493
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Speaker 1: And I mean, this could be another massive year in

494
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Speaker 1: the growth of Evan Mobley. Like John Hollinger has Mobley

495
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Speaker 1: as like the seventh best guy in the league potentially

496
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Speaker 1: like very high, maybe too high for something like he

497
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Speaker 1: has him above Donovan Mitchell, above Jalen Brunson.

498
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 3: So training dpoy and he really took a step forward

499
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 3: on the offensive end last year. Let's see if he

500
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Speaker 3: can cook, Like, let's see what he can do with

501
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Speaker 3: the ball in his hands, because it would be.

502
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Speaker 1: Good for the Cavs to have a third eye.

503
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: Somebody can go and get a basket outside of Mitchell

504
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 3: and Garland, who you know, for as good as they

505
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: are still smaller guards which can get a little overwhelmed

506
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Speaker 3: in the biggest moments of the season.

507
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Speaker 1: We'll see, there's no other way.

508
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: To say it. He was not used in clutch situations

509
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: last year.

510
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Speaker 1: I thought you said earlier this preseason, I thought it

511
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Speaker 1: was a good point. It was one of the shows

512
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: that you guys did like the Cats are going to

513
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Speaker 1: go as far maybe as Evan Mobley sort of levels

514
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: up and can take them. Yeah, and the confidence they

515
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Speaker 1: have in him to go to them later and stuff

516
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Speaker 1: like that, which I do agree with.

517
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Speaker 2: Kenny Atkinson said that they are going to use him

518
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: more and he was literally used only eleven point nine

519
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: percent in clutch situations. That was his usage rate last

520
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 2: year in the regular season. That's freaking low. This is

521
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Speaker 2: Evan Mobo's compared to a near forty percent for Mitchell,

522
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: a near thirty percent for Garland, who was awesome in

523
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Speaker 2: those clutch situations. But they're just too predictable. And when

524
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Speaker 2: he came to playoff time, you know what's going to happen.

525
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Speaker 2: The ball handlers are going to do it.

526
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Speaker 1: Oh Yeah, that's the question is like what can Evan

527
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Speaker 1: Nobly do?

528
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 3: Like, big guys aren't often the clutch option for their team,

529
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Speaker 3: and he is a big guy. He doesn't have a

530
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: Dirk Noovitski like game where you can give him the

531
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: ball and he's going to work to the mid post

532
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: and shoot over the top. Like what's his go to

533
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: move or way of being an efficient player in the clutch?

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got to have he has more of a

535
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Speaker 2: midrage game, but he's got to just get to that

536
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: put it on the floor, turn around type of shot.

537
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Speaker 1: I think I'm too much of a dumb dumb to

538
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Speaker 1: actually look, but it'd be interesting to see what Chris

539
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Speaker 1: Bosch's usage percentage was in the clutch, like in the

540
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: sort of heatal stays and stuff like that. Can't help

541
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Speaker 1: if it was higher comparable, Yeah, I don't know, somebody

542
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Speaker 1: do that for me.

543
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Speaker 2: It's higher, you could.

544
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Speaker 1: I would think it was higher too. Yeah, yeah, because

545
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Speaker 1: he has.

546
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Speaker 2: To be regular.

547
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

548
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Speaker 2: I mean they were injured against the Pacers in round two,

549
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: so there's that.

550
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Speaker 1: But still, okay, we got him in the top tier.

551
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Speaker 3: There's a couple of things I don't like about doing

552
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: this outphabetically. Number one is that it takes us forever

553
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: to get to a Western Conference, so just before now.

554
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Speaker 1: We're finally to the Dallas Mavericks.

555
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: The second thing I don't like is that currently as

556
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: the NBA goes, when we get to the end, it's

557
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 3: just a disaster. Like the last two teams we're going

558
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: to talk about are the Jazz and the Wizards.

559
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, Yeah, Also, the first five teams that we

560
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: talked about can't even sniff the final four floor just

561
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: alphabetically unfortunately.

562
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: Yea.

563
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Speaker 3: What our first lesson conference team is the Dallas Mavericks.

564
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Speaker 3: They went thirty nine and forty three last season, finished

565
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Speaker 3: tenth in the Western Conference.

566
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Speaker 1: That somehow got them the number one draft pick. It

567
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: was Cooper Flag.

568
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Speaker 3: Their starting point guard is D'Angelo Russell Anthony Davis there

569
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Speaker 3: for an entire season as well.

570
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Speaker 1: What does that mean though, entire season? Entire sixty eight games? Well, yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: that'd be a great season. Amazing for Davis.

572
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: The line is gonna have healthy eyes wearing doggles for

573
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Speaker 2: the first time in his career.

574
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: Well miss games for getting poked in the eyes.

575
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Speaker 2: Which happened three times in thirteen months he had eye injuries,

576
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Speaker 2: So that's something.

577
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So could he become the second greatest NBA player

578
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: to ever wear goggles? Kareem one one? Who am I forgetting?

579
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Speaker 3: You're you're saying it has to be like a all

580
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: time goggle wearer, not like I like Dwayne Wade putting

581
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: that's not a.

582
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Speaker 1: He's only number two right now? Yeah, I would say, yeah,

583
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: he's the guy I would go with. But you're gonna

584
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Speaker 1: take Anthony Davis career.

585
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Speaker 2: Okay, so I guess he's already number two.

586
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 3: We're not going horse grant as greate as he might

587
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Speaker 3: be number three. M Kirk how does he effect actual

588
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 3: glasses and car? Big dog himself Kirk Heinrich, best guard

589
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 3: who wears goggles.

590
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's all big guys, it is. I mean, think

591
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: about it, protecting the eyes. I'm a guy that gets

592
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Speaker 1: poked in the eyes all the time. I come in

593
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Speaker 1: with three months.

594
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Speaker 3: Just what happens when you're a big guy and big

595
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: boy gilling on the roof. Guys like that video. I

596
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: never see a big boy grill on the roof. I

597
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: think about that every single day, every single day. Sometimes

598
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: when I'm going to bed, I never see a good

599
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: boy grilling on the roof.

600
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: That's the one where they come out on. It's so funny.

601
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 1: In a while, it's so good. I don't tell us.

602
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: Where do they go?

603
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: Where do these big boys go? This is a big

604
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: boys team. They're grilling on the roof. Are they a

605
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 3: playoff lock or are they a play and hopeful? A

606
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: Tier three or a Tier four? I think they're a

607
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: playing hopeful.

608
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: At the top of our list, so far, I'm locking

609
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: them in for the playoffs.

610
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: Wow, this is yeah. We disagreed on this one in

611
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: the over under Pash Pocket like I was more.

612
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: In the West tough being a top six team in

613
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: the West, I'm comfortable putting them there. I can understand

614
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: why they'd be a hopeful, but there are literally when

615
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: I look at it, are there six better teams. I

616
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: mean it's it's arguable, for sure.

617
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: A big team. Man, this is a big team.

618
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: But they're also a pretty deep team out the side

619
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Speaker 3: of the guard position. I'm like, they have so many

620
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: good three four and five players. I think Cooper is

621
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: gonna be awesome. They're probably realistically, when you're looking at

622
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: the Western Conference, they're like anywhere from five to nine.

623
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, which will probably be separated by like fucking

624
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: wins or yeah yeah maybe two games. So from I'm

625
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: happy to put him as a playoff lock here. Yeah,

626
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: I think Anthony Davis is awesome, a little underrated, he is,

627
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: Oh everybody except for Nico Harrison. Nico Harrison understands he

628
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: sees the vision. Yeah, I mean so, okay, so they're

629
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Speaker 1: going to start at their big positions. Cooper ad and

630
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: then Lively Yeah, I do wonder. Yeah, I'm fascinating to

631
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: see this whole double big sort of lineup situation because

632
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: we still think ad at the five at times is

633
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: actually the best way they can go in my opinion,

634
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: But he doesn't want to do that for a full season,

635
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: nor should he, right, I think you do it in

636
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: spot minutes. You got Lively and Gafford again, like those are.

637
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: That's an awesome one too, center position. But how will

638
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: kids sort of manage this at the end of games?

639
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Is what I'm getting at, because eight f five is

640
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: probably still the best.

641
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: They also believe in Jason Kidds, signing him to another extension.

642
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: I got extensions back to back years. Why we're getting

643
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: extenda this year? We really extend you again. I guess

644
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: it's too after the fact that he may have been

645
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: able to get an interview from the New York and

646
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: next just to give him we really like you, we

647
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: really like you, stick around. I like you anyway. They

648
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: do have a solid, solid roster.

649
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: That sounds D'Angelo Russell. There's a lot on D'Angelo Russell's

650
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: shoulders here.

651
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: We'll see Cooper point guard. Coop is going to happen

652
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: a decent amount.

653
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: Sure.

654
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: I'm not so much worried about the playmaking. Like Russell's

655
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: a decent enough playmaker. Anthony Davis can pass the ball

656
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: a little bit and then Cooper will make plays as well.

657
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: It's more like they need d Angelo Russell to shoot

658
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: the ball. Yeah, there's not a lot of shooting on

659
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: this team. We've been told Anthony Davis is going to

660
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: start shooting threes ever since Alvin Gentry was on our

661
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: show in the starter's days.

662
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna happening now them up.

663
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: But Clay sort of hit or miss at this point

664
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: of his career. I feel like Dangel Russell, they need

665
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: a huge, huge, year, really good just solid, good efficiency

666
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: year from Dangel Russell. I'm not banking on that, nor

667
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: am I literally banking on the fact that his greatest

668
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Cooper fight probably will be or is going to be.

669
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: Like he is a rookie and you're like, here, man,

670
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: run this offense. Okay.

671
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

672
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: That usually doesn't translate to a lot of wins in

673
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: the NBA for a rook to take over like that immediately.

674
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: But you guys got him in his playoff locks. Yeah,

675
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: we voted that's fine.

676
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: We will see him in we'll see Max Christy out

677
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: there to help out. I mean they got off the ball, guys.

678
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: I think there's some shooting along with Clay. They've got

679
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: so many weapons. Anthony Davis in the bubble is what

680
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: I was gonna what I was researching. That was his

681
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: three point peak right during the bubble days.

682
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: Yes, the best jump shooting ever. Yeah, in an empty gym.

683
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: They just need another pandemic. I guess for him to

684
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: be awesome.

685
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: They got a lot of moves they could make as well,

686
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: so it wouldn't be surprising to see him add somebody. Hey,

687
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: Kobe White, come on down, be perfect.

688
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: That would be nice. I have so many bigs and

689
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: you can try it for.

690
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: Kobe, who says no partitionships. He's like, I don't know. Yeah, No,

691
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: the guy's too young. We're trying to win now. Yeah.

692
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: The managin like, we'll throw it a super future first

693
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: round pick is like please please, I can't keep track.

694
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, all these future considerations, I like this live in

695
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: the now. Denver Nuggets they went fifty and thirty two

696
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: last season, fourth in the Western Conference.

697
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Fifty wins forth in the Western Conference.

698
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: They added Cam Johnson for Michael Peanut Junior, and then

699
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: of course they beefed up their bench.

700
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: They got a beefy bench. It's better, it's better, it's better.

701
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: I do wonder are we reacting a little bit to

702
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: the Nuggets off season moves. I think you brought this

703
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: up Tray. He sort of wanted to like pump the

704
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: brakes a little bit on some of these moves that

705
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: they made, which are good. Cam Johnson appears to be

706
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: an upgrade over Michael Peanut Junior. Valanciuna says the backup

707
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: Big signed Tim Hardaway Junior as a three point shooter

708
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: because they are really bad at that. Yes, they don't

709
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: take her to a lot of them. Yeah, re signed

710
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: former wing Bruce Brown, who was complete garbage after he left. Ever,

711
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: so we're just like thinking, oh, he's back with Yokich,

712
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna be good again. Maybe that's the case. Maybe

713
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: he's got to get back in that Mountain Air cowboy hat.

714
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Hits different when you're there big time, right, boots make

715
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: a different sound on the linoleum. Yeah, they say they do.

716
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: But are we overreacting a little bit? I mean, this

717
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: is still going to be a really good team, And

718
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: the point of this is they are definitely a title

719
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: contender because this looks like the best team in a

720
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: while that Yoki just had around him. But it probably

721
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: all still hinges on like playoff Jamal Murray, yep, how

722
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: great he is, and then internal growth and development from

723
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: Peyton Watson and Christian Brown and maybe Christian Brown is good.

724
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Peyton Watson, Julian Strather question marks for sure.

725
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: The thing with the Nuggets bench to me is that, yes,

726
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: they're better.

727
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: For sure.

728
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: Valentunis is good. Yeah, Tim Hardaway Junior.

729
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: I think if any other team signs them, they're like, Okay,

730
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: who cares, But he's on the Nuggets. He's gonna get shots. Yeah,

731
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: Bruce Brown, we'll see. Yeah, it's not about those guys.

732
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: It's about Jamal Murray and it's about Aaron Gordon because

733
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: when Jokic goes to the bench, those guys are the

734
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: leaders of the second unit and they haven't been good

735
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: enough to lift the second unit to anywhere close to

736
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: even I'm super encouraged by what I see from Aaron

737
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: Gordon in preseason. We've seen him have hot shooting starts

738
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: to begin a year before. I think he shot like

739
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: forty percent for a month with the Magic once upon

740
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: a time. But if he's able to take a step forward,

741
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: if Jamal Murray comes in focused, healthy, ready to be

742
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: an All Star in the first half of the season

743
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: rather than just the second half of the season, that's

744
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: what really makes their bench better.

745
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: It's not going to be Can we get Valentunis four

746
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: post ups a game? No?

747
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: No, No, for sure No. I think Cam Johnson's a

748
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: bit of an X factor when it comes to the

749
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: bench too. That guy can be hand in hand with

750
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray as your top guys on your bench when

751
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: Jokic is sitting, and they can be freaking awesome. So

752
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: they should. People pump the bricks. I think Jokic is

753
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: excited that this thing did pump the bricks. So we

754
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: slow it down a little bit. I don't got to

755
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: shoot five hundred times again. He can literally sit down.

756
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to play the most minutes he's ever

757
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: played like he did last year. I think there's enough

758
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: off that bench excited to watch it.

759
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have him as probably ahead of the

760
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: Cleveland Cavaliers when it jumps to the contetors.

761
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: Okay, enough of the Western Conference, back to the East Finally,

762
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: the Detroit Pistons are the next team up for ranking

763
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: forty four and thirty eight. Last season finished sixth in

764
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference. They brought in Duncan Robinson and Karris Lavert.

765
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: They lost Malik Beasley, Tim Hardaway Junior and Dennis Schreuder.

766
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: What do we like for the Detroit Pistons.

767
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: This is probably a debate between Tier three and four

768
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: playoff locker playing hopeful.

769
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: It's hard to take them out of the locks for me,

770
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: right right.

771
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: They got there last year, a good fight against the

772
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Knicks in the first round.

773
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the replacements that Trey said it will be

774
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: a factor. Dennis Ruder was so key at handling the ball.

775
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: Now it's Caroselvert taking over that along with more Jade

776
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: and Ivy, which is a positive. Caid, I think just

777
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: the rub off of Cade and how he's going to

778
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: lead that locker room along with JB. Bickerstaff leading that

779
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: locker room, I think that's important. I think this team

780
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: is you just can't take it away.

781
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: You just can't take it away if you don't see

782
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: why they're going to be worse is what you're getting at.

783
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: Because all these young guys a little more experience, a

784
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: little more growth. The guys they brought in can do

785
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: a good enough job to make up for the guys

786
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: that went out.

787
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: That's what I'm getting at for sure. Yeah, the young

788
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: guys are a huge question. I think a Sara Thompson,

789
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: along with Jay and Ivy can take that next step.

790
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: Which guy are you most confident in?

791
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: Youngster? Probably a Sar more than Ivy. I love Ivy,

792
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: but yeah, I think a Sard He just freaking played

793
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: last year, and like Ivy who got injured, So yes, yes.

794
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like him as a Tier three team as well.

795
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: I just think they've got enough talent and they've got

796
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: Kid at the top. He took a massive step forward

797
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: last year, and it's reasonable to expect him to be

798
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: at least as good as he was last year. And

799
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 3: I think Ivy can at least approximate what Dennis Schreuder

800
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 3: was giving them. I think the Beasly thing is probably

801
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: more of a question mark. He was bombing away from

802
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: three last year, had an awesome season. Duncan Robinson just

803
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: doesn't take as many as he did, nor does he

804
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 3: take as crazy as ones right Like off the dribble,

805
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: Duncan Robinson likes to play out of a dribble handoff game,

806
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: and it's going to be different to see him doing

807
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: that alongside the bigs from the Pistons, compared to Bam

808
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: out of Bio. Say what you want about Bam, him

809
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: and Robinson had great chemistry like that was a great

810
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 3: way for a Duncan to get his looks. I think

811
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: Duran can be that kind of player as well. He

812
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: seems to be a decent ball mover, but it'll take

813
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: a little bit of time for them to develop the

814
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: chemistry together that Duncan and Bam had in Miami.

815
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: Playoff Lucky all agreeing on for the Detroit Pitts about

816
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: a head of behind the Hawks, the local boys, the Hawks,

817
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: I put him behind, but yeah, sure, I mean they're

818
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: probably they're probably should be.

819
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: Like a slash, they're the same, they're the same. Whoever

820
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: stays healthier will be better. The Golden State Warriors were

821
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: back out West. They were forty eight and thirty four

822
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: last season, finished seventh in the Western Conference. Their main

823
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: thing this summer was signing Al Horford and some other

824
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: deep vets d' Anthony Melton, Seth Curry. They finally came

825
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: to an agreement with Jonathan Kaminga, but I wouldn't factor

826
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: him into your projections for the playoffs because it's likely

827
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: he won't be there come playoff time. Also, full season

828
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: of Jimmy Butler, I think is a huge thing for

829
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: the Warriors. I saw Kevin Pelton's projections had them as

830
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: the best team in the Western Conference, literally the best

831
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: team in the Western Conference. I had a the Oklahoma

832
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: City Thunder.

833
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: That was that was Pelton's projection or some sort of

834
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: simulation they ran. Was that one I saw going around?

835
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: I saw that it was the Warriors were the number one.

836
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: I think it was a simulation, but anyway, Yeah, So

837
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: the question is, like what we saw after the Jimmy

838
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: Butler trade, is that sustainable for a full season with

839
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: this sort of older bunch and then all of the pieces.

840
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: I mean, if the answer is yes, then then myself

841
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: maybe you guys as well. A lot of people are

842
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: probably underestimating the dubs. I guess the computers are not.

843
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: But the Warriors were a five hundred team with a

844
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: negative point differential when they entered the trade deadline, and

845
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: then they got Jimmy and had the NBA's fourth best record,

846
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: third best net rating and the number one defense. So again,

847
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: does that extrapolate over a full season if theyre some

848
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: have decent health from their their main sort of four

849
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: older guys, I don't know where to put that. I

850
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: don't have them as a title contender. Are they in

851
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: that second tier test? Or is that still too much?

852
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: With the squad and a loaded West.

853
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: Definitely locking them in? Are they a final four flirt?

854
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

855
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: I think you can put them there. I think you can.

856
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm fine putting them in the lock position.

857
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: I mean, this team was first last year. After the

858
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: first month of the season, they're twelve and three. They're

859
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: better than OKC. Then they got injured and then yeah

860
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: they had to recoup to get Jimmy Butler and be

861
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: this new team. But I think they're going to start

862
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: off with a serious locked in mentality to this year.

863
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: They're ready because Jimmy Butler came to a media day

864
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: with no crazy haircut, picking it very seriously right. I

865
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: did for Miami last year though as well, I know it

866
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: was a disaster.

867
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go back again. So they started twelve and

868
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: three last year. I think that's who they are. They're

869
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: coming into this season ready to go with ye a,

870
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: Jimmy and Horford is freaking important. I know, we'll see

871
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: what happens in January five March when the oldies have

872
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: to take a little step back. Like I do think

873
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: they're gonna be awesome to start the season, but then

874
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: the oldies.

875
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: Once the instituted to play.

876
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in the game's played, Jimmy's not playing more

877
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: than sixty five Orford probably about the same. But they're

878
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: going to play lots in October, November, December. Then they're

879
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: going to slow down and then here come the substitutes. Really,

880
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: I think we're going to just you know, see that

881
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: a lot of your Moses Moody's, You're Quenton post seven,

882
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: that type of thing. So we'll see if they can

883
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: hold it up. But where do we see them landing

884
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: at the end of the season.

885
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: So euro sounds like you're like maxing out almost on

886
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: a playoff lock.

887
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean the final four. The flirting is fine.

888
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: I like them as a tier two team. I checked

889
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 1: the thing.

890
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: It was the simulations that had him as the best

891
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: team in the Western Conference. Pelton's projections had him at

892
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: number two. Okay, yeah, by like three wins only behind

893
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: the Thunder. I think the Thunder were at fifty nine wins,

894
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 3: Warriors were at fifty six wins. I think that's a

895
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: high number for Golden State, just because I think they

896
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 3: are not going to prioritize the regular season. They will

897
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: prioritize seeding towards the end of the year, gaming their matchups.

898
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: The key for them is having everybody healthy. This is

899
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: a better playoff team than they are a regular season team,

900
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: because if their top six are ready to go come

901
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: playoff time, they're going to be a tough out for anybody,

902
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: and it'll just be a matter of who they actually

903
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: have to face in the playoffs. So I'm happy to

904
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: have them as our first Tier two team.

905
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine with me, Fine by me. Yeah, I

906
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: mean you said if their top six is healthy, I

907
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: would they'll have a chance in a playoff series. Honestly,

908
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: at this point, if Steph Curry is healthy, you have

909
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: a chance in a playoff series. Like they took Game

910
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: one against the Minnesota Timberwolves. Yeah, Jimmy went nuts after

911
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: stuff went down. Yeah, okay, Tier two. Good.

912
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: Here's a team that's probably been downgraded due to the

913
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: circumstances of the preseason. The Houston Rockets finished fifty two

914
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: and thirty last year, second in the Western Conference. They

915
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: did lose to the Warriors in the first round of

916
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: the playoffs.

917
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: They added a guy.

918
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 3: By the name of Kevin Durant to the team, also

919
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: Dorian Finney Smith and Clint Capella, see you later, Dylan Brooks,

920
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: see you later, Jalen Green and unfortunately see you next season.

921
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: Fred Vanvlee is what it's sounding like after the injury

922
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: during a workout during the preseason here.

923
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: But obviously still so young. A lot of their guys

924
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: still good. They could get better in scheng Gun and

925
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: Eason and Jabari Smith junior and who knows with Reed

926
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: Shepherd Thompson, everybody is pumped about. Maybe he flirts with

927
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: an all star season. So still a damn good team.

928
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: Is Durant the right guy to lift this Rockets team

929
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: to sort of a championship contender status? I think is

930
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: what we're getting at here. I would put them into two.

931
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: I don't think they're winning a title this year.

932
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: But they're flirting on being close to the title.

933
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, if everything goes right.

934
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: It's a lot to go right if you don't have

935
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: a lead guard.

936
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: Hey, man, you love Freddy so do I.

937
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's handling, but who's starting their possessions? I mean,

938
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair question.

939
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: Sure, either on men Thompson or it's Reed Shepherd given

940
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: an opportunity or hello Aaron Holiday, more minutes for him,

941
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: it's a fair point.

942
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, a men Thompson's got a lot on his shoulders,

943
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: not being a ball handler really and now having to

944
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: initiate an offense. I find locking them in as a

945
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: playoff team it's just hard to put into that final

946
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: four flirts. Obviously they got the talent one in the

947
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: years you say all the names. For sure, they're going

948
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: to have to make a move. I do think to

949
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: have somebody starting offenses, starting sets and all that. So

950
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some question marks here the first couple months.

951
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely can't make a move basically until starting

952
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: December fifteenth, some guys become eligible to be traded January fifteenth,

953
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: they can get even better. But I have them as

954
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: the top of Tier two. I would have had them

955
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: as title contenders if Fred van Bliet was healthy. They

956
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: have two guys who are going to probably be all

957
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: NBA this season, and Katie alprinshe Gin. Yeah, and we'll

958
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: see what Thompson is able to bring. They're gonna have

959
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: an awesome defense. Their defense is somehow going to get

960
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: better now that Fred van Bleed is out, just by

961
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 3: having a gigantic team. They're going to be playing all

962
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: guys that are like six foot eight and up. It

963
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: feels like outside of maybe Read Shepherd and we'll see

964
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: what he's able to give him. He not a lot

965
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: of expectations for him, but a lot of pressure.

966
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: I think for Reed Shepherd. The one concern you brought

967
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: up on a previous podcast is like, who is shooting

968
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: three pointers and hitting three points on his team? Because

969
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: they had so many threes made and taken going out

970
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: this offseason with the Fred van Bleed entry and then

971
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks and Joe and Green, like it was what'd

972
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: you say, it was like thirty threes attempted or something

973
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: that's a lot. Yeah, yeah, so Green was like eleven

974
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: a game or something like that. It's a huge vacuum

975
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: to Phil and that's not on men. Thompson ain't gonna

976
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: be doing that. Even Kevin Durand doesn't take a ton

977
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: of three pointers. So we'll see. But Okay, you got

978
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: him as a playoff sorry, the second tier.

979
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: I like it.

980
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm fine with that, all right. Sorry Pastrow voted

981
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: on that one.

982
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, that's fine. I down on them.

983
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: You're usually a guy that loves a defensive team.

984
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's they should be awesome even if they lose,

985
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: you know, some sort of their their mentality, their their charisma,

986
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: and the defense end with Dylan Brooks like he'll be

987
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: replaced during Facemith is injured to start the season, but

988
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 2: Tarry Easton is freaking awesome. So yeah, I love my defense.

989
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: But when we're talking at the end, when we're talking

990
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: playoff series, that's my, my, my, the worst part here.

991
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: To win two series without a freaking point guard. Really,

992
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: no disrespect to read. Hopefully you're great. Hopefully are in Holiday,

993
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: somebody takes that role, but it's likely not gonna be

994
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: are in Holiday.

995
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there is a trade.

996
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, we're talking.

997
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: About Kobe White on Thompson who says no.

998
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: Rockets. Probably of course they do. Of course they do.

999
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: Kobe White would be perfect for this thing.

1000
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: Just the Indiana Pacers fifty and thirty two last season,

1001
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 3: they finished fourth in the Eastern Conference once a game

1002
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: seven at the NBA Finals. But Tyre's Halliburton his achilles,

1003
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: He's out for the season, Miles Turner is gone, and

1004
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: Jehuff is in Pacer is weird team to figure out?

1005
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1006
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, play and Hopeful. I think he's a fantastic

1007
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: goal honestly, with no Haliburtonhard, I'm excited to see, like,

1008
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: can he sort of make a bit of a jump

1009
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: as a facilitator and really leading the show there. He

1010
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: looked awesome in the playoffs. It's different beasts to sort

1011
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: of do it over a two games. Yeah, I think

1012
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: that's the spot for them.

1013
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: That's a lock. Lock them in to the play and

1014
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: hopeful spot. Don't lock a playoff lock unfortunately.

1015
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: Are you putting them above the Celtics or Bulls? Oh?

1016
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 3: Definitely above the Bulls. Okay, yeah, I think that. I

1017
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: mean there's still a lot of talent here. They lost

1018
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: two starters. That stinks, but Mathrin can step up a

1019
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: little bit. I think them Hard will have a good season.

1020
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: Siakam is an incredible player and a guy that gives

1021
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: effort every single game. I think he's a pretty decent

1022
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: floor raiser and was huge for the ceiling of the

1023
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: Pacers as well. So yeah, I think they are probably

1024
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: equivalent with the Celtics. So it's like these are similar

1025
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: teams in similar situations with their star going down with

1026
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: an achilles tear.

1027
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: They're probably separated by a game or two in the

1028
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference and you know, ahead of the Bolts for sure.

1029
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're similar in that they can be a

1030
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 2: team that freakin works defensively, and so they'll be they'll

1031
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: be there at Pascal Siakam the literally the most underrated

1032
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: and at least talked about player in the history of

1033
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: the NBA, even if we.

1034
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: Will the history of them.

1035
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it just feels like the every day, you know,

1036
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: every every single, every single show out there will just

1037
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: skip over them. We were just we're all.

1038
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: It was nice to see him get a little love

1039
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: with their miraculous sort of Cinderella run there through the postseason.

1040
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: That was nice to see as obviously a long time

1041
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: Siakam fan and well deserved.

1042
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: But when it comes to regularly, no one ain't talking

1043
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: about Scaliakam. Noah.

1044
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: I think we were very few amongst the national media

1045
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: had who had Siakam as an All Star last year,

1046
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: and he had a better first half of the season

1047
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: than Halliburton did.

1048
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: But we were right.

1049
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: And then he had that cool dunk in Game six.

1050
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: People will already forget that dunk. Yeah, that already did.

1051
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just kidding. I'm sure people did.

1052
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: The LA Clippers, we're back out last fifty and thirty

1053
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 3: two last season.

1054
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: They finished fifth.

1055
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: They brought in Bradley Beale, John Collins, and Brook Lopez.

1056
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: Might be the deepest team in the league, which is

1057
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: good because they got a lot of old guys.

1058
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: They have a lot of They're the oldest team ever. Yeah,

1059
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: I think that has been established. I think Tom habstro

1060
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: crunched the numbers on it by average age, so it's old.

1061
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: And that's my question is like how can tyleru or

1062
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: how will he manage the minutes of this very veteran

1063
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: squad their second unit, like you said, Trey, like it

1064
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: could be CP three. I mean Chris Dunn, Bogdanovitch, Derek

1065
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: Jones Junior, and Brook Lopez like that. That's a pretty

1066
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: good lineup for a second unit. So it should give

1067
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: them a very high regular season floor, But I don't know.

1068
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: Then we get into the postseason and how they match up.

1069
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: You got a healthy Kawhi coming in here, that's something too.

1070
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: And what do you play like thirty seven games last

1071
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: year and they still won fifty games because of Harden

1072
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: and Zubats and Norm Powell when he was on the team.

1073
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: So oh, that's a tough one for me to figure out.

1074
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this team has aspiration, no doubt, but I'm

1075
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: not I mean, the average age for the guys that

1076
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: they play is thirty three years old. The average age

1077
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: of their main eleven guys. There's a lot of them.

1078
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: There's eleven of them. It's thirty three years old. Do

1079
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: they have the most All Star Games ever on their roster?

1080
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: Sure feels that way. I know there's guys, there's there's

1081
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: players who've made more All Star Games when you get

1082
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: into Lebron's and all those. But because they've got a

1083
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 2: Chris Paul and a Hard and a Kawhi, now we're

1084
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: dropping down. But there's so many So I don't know.

1085
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: I didn't do the math on that one, but it

1086
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: feels like it's one of those teams that could. Yeah,

1087
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: there's there's such a range as to what this team

1088
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: can achieve, So I can't I can't lock them in myself,

1089
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: but the top are the top two tier team. I

1090
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: can't even play off lock them.

1091
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: Whoa?

1092
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: Whoa?

1093
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: Really? I thought I was the Clipper hater on this show.

1094
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: I just can't lock them lock them even though they're

1095
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: that freaking good. I mean, what happened to them last year?

1096
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: It was I know, they had to win game I know,

1097
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: but they had a guy in Kawah who played a

1098
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: bunch thirty seven games he didn't play. Yeah, well he

1099
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 2: played with January and April.

1100
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: That's a lot. But he's coming in healthy. I mean,

1101
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: that's a big case for them being good and better.

1102
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: Maybe, but they're a freaking year older, so you would

1103
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: have every Mavericks I would I know, I know I wouldn't.

1104
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: Interesting enough. Now, will the NBA's investigation into reporting about

1105
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: the possibility that the Clippers circumvented the league's salary cap?

1106
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Will that have any impact on this franchise? Any impact

1107
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: on Kauai himself? I mean, it is funny, like everyone's like, nah,

1108
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: probably not. Now they asked him about it, He's like, yeah,

1109
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: they owe me money. He doesn't care. The guy cares about.

1110
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: Nothing, I know.

1111
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: So it's weird. Strange, like that investigation is just going

1112
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: to be dragged out forever. We're not going to learn

1113
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: anything until after the All Star break, probably the end

1114
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: of the season. If we're being honest, it feels like.

1115
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've hinted. They they're like, don't, don't.

1116
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: We're not rushing. We're not saying anything until after the

1117
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: All Star Game. Yeah for sure.

1118
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: Well that may mean that they're guilty because they need

1119
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: to have the All Star Game in the into It Dome.

1120
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: They signed the deal, they've done the photo ops, it's happening,

1121
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: which I think it's legitimate, and I would say at

1122
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: least that's a positive. At least they are going to

1123
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: punish the Clippers for doing what they were doing. If

1124
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: this is we're talking, we're talking in circles. This is

1125
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: like Mark Cuban going on Pablo Tory for the second time.

1126
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: That would just all in circles. I couldn't even tap

1127
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: into that one I had. I was like, yeah, I mean,

1128
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'll wait now at this point, just to

1129
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: see what the NBA says. I mean, that's no knock

1130
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: on Pablo. I mean, this has been incredible and he

1131
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: broke this story, but it's like Cuban back on it.

1132
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: Like you said, I was like, I know where this

1133
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: is going around and around and around.

1134
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: I'm surprised to see him taking up for other billionaires.

1135
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have expected that at all.

1136
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: I did, like when he was pressed a little bit

1137
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: on the hey, do you do any shady shit with dirt?

1138
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: And then Pablo like you know, took his side because

1139
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: he's like no, and then they sort of had the

1140
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: receipts that he probably didn't. It wasn't that much money

1141
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: he put into like for ten years. Yeah, a million bucks.

1142
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: That ain't nothing. Nothing, So one tree, I have the

1143
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: Clippers above the Mavericks, so I have to go playoff.

1144
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: I agree.

1145
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: I would have you top of tier three. They're creaky. Theah,

1146
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: they're creaky. Look, I want to put him in tier two, but.

1147
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: It's the Clippers. I can't totally do it.

1148
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: There's like concern of like, can Harden do what he

1149
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: did last year? That was a really awesome year from

1150
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: him at this point of his career, like age wise

1151
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: and Zubos was amazing. Can he replicate that as well?

1152
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: Health and all that? And then and then of course

1153
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: even the older guys like these plug and play beals

1154
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: and CP three's and all these guys. Kauai himself. Of course,

1155
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: that's out there for half the game.

1156
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe I'm just angry about this whole aspiration

1157
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: thing because Zubats ain't going anywhere. He's a freaking all

1158
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 2: NBA player potentially, is that freaking good? Harden is such

1159
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: a resilient dude for who he is and where he's

1160
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: been in his career. He's gonna play and he wasn't

1161
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: all that awesome. He always plays. He wasn't all that

1162
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 2: awesome to start the first half last year. He played though,

1163
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: so that was important. Yeah, maybe I'm just I'm I'm

1164
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: a little love upset.

1165
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: Is probably more than most. I'd say more than most. Well,

1166
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: you love composting more than anyone I know, so that's

1167
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: like a natural Uh you know, what's the word I'm

1168
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: looking for? They go hand in hand. Yeah, I mean

1169
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: they go soil and root, root and soil.

1170
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I love them more than most. I'd

1171
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: be rich. I'd be what's the name of the guy

1172
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: who's going to jail uh in this aspira Sandberg or something?

1173
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Andy Sandburg?

1174
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not Ryan Sandberg. R I Peter Ryan Sandberg.

1175
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: But they're basically saying tree karma is going to get them.

1176
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: Nature karma, nature karma just reflecting the air. Nature karma

1177
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: sounds like a fake scam company I would love to do.

1178
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: Sound like a carbon nature karma. You feel bad about

1179
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: polluting by our trees at nature.

1180
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: I wonder how good they're going to be, not not

1181
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: to get back to the basketball, but defensively, are they

1182
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: gonna be good? Yeah?

1183
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: As last year, Yeah they were.

1184
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 2: I know the zoop was there, but now starting likely starting,

1185
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: Kris Dune's going to the bench.

1186
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, bial starting, they've said, I.

1187
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: Think that's that's that's a step back. Yes, Kris was

1188
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: their dog. Anyways, they should outscore everybody. They've got more

1189
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: All Star appearances than the freaking other teams in the NBA.

1190
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's true.

1191
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it. I'm like Lebron literally Lucas

1192
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: and Lebron's yeah.

1193
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, well twenty one, right, he didn't reach the first

1194
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 2: one anyways, doesn't matter, y, Yes, yes.

1195
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: So they're at twenty six, twenty seven, maybe the Lakers

1196
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: without even considering anyone else on their team. And if

1197
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Smart and I never made it. Okay, anyway, what

1198
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: do we do. Let's keep going. Let's go to the Lakers. Okay,

1199
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: let's go to the Lakers.

1200
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: Fifty to thirty two, third in the Western Conference last

1201
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 3: season after the Luka Doncics trade. They got DeAndre Ayton

1202
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: in town, Jake la Ravia is here, Marcus Smart as well,

1203
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: biggest I think was Dorian Finney Smith, and as we've

1204
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: mentioned before, they got a guy named Augustus Hoop plan.

1205
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: On there too, just as Hoop. That's what it's. Somebody suggests, Yeah,

1206
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: is the defense good enough to compete night in night

1207
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: out in the load of Western Conference? That's my only

1208
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: question mark. Like you know, Luke and Lebron are not

1209
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: dominant two way players, especially Lebron at this point of

1210
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: his career, his age. Their third best player, Austin Reeves

1211
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: is not a stopper by any means. DeAndre Eaton their center,

1212
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: not a defensive juggernaut. They brought him Marcus Smart, but

1213
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: he's getting up there in age and we haven't seen

1214
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: it in a while, so has he lost a step

1215
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: what he can do? That's that's my question. They ranked

1216
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: seventeenth on defense last season, and they lost their best

1217
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: perimeter wing defender in DFS. So I just wonder if

1218
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna be all stop teams. Point of attack is

1219
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: going to be a disaster.

1220
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the Lakers, they might have to start Marcus

1221
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: Smart and hope he can throw it back because I

1222
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 3: don't know who else on this team can really guard

1223
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 3: on the emitter and do anything behind the arc, because

1224
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: that's the question for them finding that fifth starter, I think,

1225
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: because like Jared Vanderbilt, probably the best point of attack guy. Yeah,

1226
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: but you don't count on him making a jump shot.

1227
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: No, But that's okay because you're playing with Luca and

1228
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: he's going to take every jump shot. He's going to

1229
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: take a lot of them. I'm buying into Jared Vanderbilt

1230
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: being healthy and being out there on the point of attack.

1231
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: I'm buying into Marcus Smart and being a little bit of.

1232
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: It.

1233
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: Just a replicate of what they were last year. Somehow

1234
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: JJ Reddick got this out of their team. I know

1235
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: they are losing Dorian Finney Smith as you said there,

1236
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: but I think they've got enough parts to go in there.

1237
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: Jake Ler, we'll see what he can do. And I

1238
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: think Luka Doncic is looking good played in his first

1239
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: preseason game. He's happy. There we go, smiling, he's looking

1240
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: the body looks good. I think they got it. I

1241
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: think you lock him in JJ Raich.

1242
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: Oh, you guys thought you were going to say there

1243
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: must be a Final four flirt. You have Luca winning MVP.

1244
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: It's your prediction. So you've got to be a really

1245
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: good team probably to get MVP consideration in this league.

1246
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it could be a fifty one fifty two

1247
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: win team anyway. This West is freaking tough. They're definitely

1248
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: other lock for me, which I think is a good

1249
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: season for that. Really.

1250
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: Okay, where did you say on playoff lock, I'll go

1251
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: play block. Yeah, I think they're in that tier. I

1252
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: mean we might at the end to have too many

1253
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: Western Conference teams at some point.

1254
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: You're right, it's going to be a mess. It's going

1255
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: to be a big old glob in the middle for sure.

1256
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1257
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: In the standings.

1258
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Holder brought up a fun point about the Lakers.

1259
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: Could they make an in season deal because they have

1260
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: expiring deals for Maxi, Kliba, Ruy Hachimura, your guy, Gabe Vincent,

1261
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still your guy. He might be, Yeah,

1262
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: he's my friend, and would you be able to return

1263
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: up to forty million dollars? They would be able to

1264
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: return up into forty million dollars in salary, staying under

1265
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: the first apron. They have a tradable twenty thirty one

1266
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: first round pick. As a little bit of bait. Two,

1267
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: just just throwing it out there. Holinger was like, maybe

1268
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: they do something here in season.

1269
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hollingers is I think tapped into what Rob Linka

1270
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: has done very well. They've they've been able to keep

1271
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: their assets, and yes, I think they are always ready

1272
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 2: to make the trade. Yeah. The question is the whole

1273
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: Lebron thing.

1274
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: Oh think Lebron is like pouting right now? Why do

1275
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:25,479
Speaker 1: you say that, Sata? It's fake? Oh in my heart

1276
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: now people are saying he's like, I don't know, yes,

1277
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's Kendrick Perkins who said this. I saw

1278
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: it going around to. I forget who.

1279
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: It was Sciattica because because they're focused on Luca.

1280
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: His team anymore. Yeah, the extension and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, no, okay.

1281
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't think I can't buy into that. I think

1282
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: question Yeah, that's a good one.

1283
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1284
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: The Memphis Grizzlies finished forty eight and thirty four last season,

1285
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: eighth in the Western Conference. They traded Desmond Bane and

1286
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: got Ken Tavi Is called well Pope back. They also

1287
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: added Ty Jerome and drafted Cedric Coward. Unfortunately for this team,

1288
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: their centers are already hurt. Jared Jackson, Dune, You're back, soonest,

1289
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: Zach Edy a little bit longer. Brandon Clark is out.

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01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: They're probably starting Jock.

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01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: Landale to start the season here, so it doesn't necessarily

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01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: have anything to do once we get to the end

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Speaker 1: of the season. But where are we putting the Grizzlies.

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01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: This might looks silly, but I have them quite low

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Speaker 1: play and hopeful. I don't have a good read on

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Speaker 1: this team. I know the figure come in to play.

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Speaker 1: Can John Moran be John Morant again? Because like, if

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01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: John Moran jar and Jackson Junior are playing, they just

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Speaker 1: win a lot of regular seasons against the period because

1300
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: they're really good at finding sort of the guys around

1301
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: the margins to help them out. But like, how many

1302
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: games will they play? And again, all these injuries already

1303
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: and just a loaded West. I have them lower, so

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01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: I have them getting squeezed. I guess sort of here

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Speaker 1: down to the play and.

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Speaker 2: Hopeful I do too. I wish I could lock them in.

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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: But with Jaron Jackson junior health, I think that's a

1308
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: big question, combined with John Ran, who said he's going

1309
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: to play all eighty two games on media day. That

1310
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: was his goal anyways, but then he got injured. But

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Speaker 2: he should be back. He's totally fine with his ankle injury.

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Speaker 2: I think said it's a question. Yeah again, in this

1313
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Speaker 2: Western Conference, I've got at least seven teams over them,

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Speaker 2: so I'm hopeful for them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, they're probably top six if they play in

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Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference, but they're in the Western Conference, which

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Speaker 3: means they're likely in the seven to ten range. I'm

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Speaker 3: happy with them as a play and hopeful they took

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Speaker 3: an intentional step back. They said our team is too

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Speaker 3: expensive right now, and that's why they traded Desmond Baine

1321
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Speaker 3: for some future pick consideration and Contavious Caldbell Pope, who

1322
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: they're hoping is like a decent replacement right like in

1323
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: that his poor shooting season with the Magic changes because

1324
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: they need somebody to shoot threes as well.

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Speaker 1: I have hope for joh Ran.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to be missing a ton

1327
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 3: of time no with this ankle injury, and he looked

1328
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: a little bit unleashed when Isolo took over for Taylor

1329
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 3: Jenkins at the end of the season.

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Speaker 2: Later in the season, yeah, totally. They gave him the

1331
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: ball way more instead of him playing off the ball.

1332
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: In theory, they've got their wings that they finally finally

1333
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: been looking for. You mentioned KCP. Cedric Coward looks like

1334
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: a wing that could be that sort of guy that

1335
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: can basically be put on anyone, anytime, anywhere. Along with

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01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: Jalen Wells out there, there's hope for Gig Jackson and

1337
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: Vince Williams. There's enough. There's enough of those guys. But

1338
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Speaker 2: this is the West, dude, It's the West.

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Speaker 1: Gets you a cowboy, had Bruce Brown all right, Well

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Speaker 1: halfway through I believe ranking all these teams. So we'll

1341
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Speaker 1: Love to see the stream team here live on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: chiming in every team we're going through debating where they

1373
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: slide in. Its like every squad right like there are

1374
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people agreeing with sort of where we

1375
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: had the Grizzlies despite having a good roster. But man,

1376
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: it's a loaded Western Conference. But I would like to

1377
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: see the likes go up. Too many people joining us live,

1378
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,479
Speaker 1: too few thumbs up on the YouTube vid. So Terry

1379
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: gook second, smash that and let's keep going, Tray, I

1380
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: think we're like an hour and a bid in. Let's

1381
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: see build some nice are our bell curb distribution is here.

1382
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: This is looking good. It's looking great. Man thicker in

1383
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: the middle. That's how we like it.

1384
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 3: Miami Heat thirty in forty five last season, tenth in

1385
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference. They brought in Norman Powell and uh

1386
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: Caspres yakaconas Tyler hero is injured right now, but kind

1387
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: of the same team as last season for the Miami

1388
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 3: Heat outside of Norm, I would say, yeah, sort of

1389
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: Norm in there right now.

1390
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 2: For Tyler Hero for sure.

1391
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: Uh, tough one, tough one. I know I'm a little

1392
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: higher on the Heat than maybe some are out there, but.

1393
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 2: Uh, are you locking them in the playoffs?

1394
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: Uh? It's sort of tough to do. Yeah. I do

1395
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: wonder like once Hero's back, like Bam, Tyler Hero and

1396
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: Norman Powell, is that the Is that the foundation of

1397
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: a competitive team? Right? Competitive? Competitive? Yeah? And we went

1398
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: over like their brutal record in the clutch last year

1399
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: it was just garbage, Like does it just even out

1400
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more? You pick up some more wins

1401
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: that way, Like, I think they're gonna be around if

1402
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: five hundred dish a little bit better. I had them

1403
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: as an over one of my locks actually, which was

1404
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: I think in the in the high thirties or yeah,

1405
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: they're over unders in the maybe yeah, yeah, So I

1406
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: have him as a five hundred team, But they're gonna

1407
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: need one of their like young guys to sort of

1408
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: pop here, be it Yovich or Hakez or I like

1409
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: Khalil Ware. He's looking good. Yeah, the rook Like you said,

1410
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: so I guess who. They're probably still a play and

1411
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: hopeful to me, same with me top of the Pops.

1412
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I want to get excited about them,

1413
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: but as as you're sort of reluctant to say their

1414
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: top three, is that a competitive team?

1415
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: Maybe when I say it out loud, I'm like, no

1416
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: love for Wiggins.

1417
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: He's here get looked over. Yeah. Yeah, their offense should

1418
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: take another step. It really should. When Hero comes back

1419
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: with Norman Powell. They need a guy who can score

1420
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: the basketball, and he's been doing that in the preseason.

1421
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: He looks old Norm looks like old Norm in a

1422
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: good way. Last year the guy was leading the clib

1423
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 2: person scoring for a long time. Last season they were good,

1424
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: but it's just hard to get them excited about them

1425
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: as as a unit, especially with Hero out to start

1426
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: the season. So that thirty seven and a half over

1427
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 2: under number is pretty accurate for me. So I'm hopeful.

1428
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: When you said old Norm, you reminded me of this

1429
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: photo I saw going around. You see this thing about

1430
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: the Cheers cast on the show during the first season

1431
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: in the eighties, Norm was thirty four years old Georgia.

1432
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: But kids it was like I was man like Sam

1433
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: was thirty five. Oh, it's pretty funny. I'm looking at

1434
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: it down. Okay, anyway, old Norm is still good Old Norm,

1435
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: but not playoff lock like I do think the Hawks

1436
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: and the Magic and probably the Box even still I

1437
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: still ranked them above them, above the Heat. Yeah, I

1438
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: just last season's Heat.

1439
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 3: I just remember they blew so many fourth quarter leagues,

1440
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 3: and every fourth quarter a slog for them to get through,

1441
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 3: and it came down to Kin Tyler Hero make a

1442
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 3: crazy shot. So maybe they'll be a little bit better offensively.

1443
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 3: You have to assume Bam will have a better offensive season.

1444
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 3: He was pretty brutal last year. Powell will help.

1445
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: He was weird to call him Powell. No, he's a normal.

1446
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,799
Speaker 1: He is a straight up Norm.

1447
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 3: But Powell is going to help because the guy drives

1448
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 3: the ball and they don't have anybody like that. Like

1449
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 3: Hero is a good jump shooter. Bam is nice at

1450
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: catching the ball at the elbow and maybe shooting a

1451
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 3: fifteen footer or turning and passing to somebody on the

1452
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: other side of the court. They don't have a guy

1453
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 3: who just gets to the rim. So definitely that's going

1454
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 3: to be helpful having Norm Powell. Maybe Wiggins gets more

1455
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 3: invigorated in a full season playing in Miami.

1456
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: But sounds like you're off the island, skeets sad Wigans Island. Yeah,

1457
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: I probably am. Yeah, it's all right. I finally got off.

1458
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 1: So you're fine with the playoff or play and hopefully Yeah.

1459
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: Where do you rank him though, compared to the Celtics

1460
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: and Pacers, teams that are incomplete would say, yeah, this season,

1461
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: I like where you have them, just above them. They

1462
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: got to have better luck, They got to right right right,

1463
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 1: here's a team that has some bad luck. The Milwaukee

1464
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: Bucks forty eight and thirty four last season finished fifth

1465
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference. Damian Lillard tore his achilles and

1466
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: then the Bucks shipped him out or I guess they

1467
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: waved and stretched him. Actually they brought in Miles Turner

1468
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,520
Speaker 1: using the Dame slot. Kind of interesting in the preseason.

1469
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: Kyle Kuzma coming off the bench playing Giannis and shooters.

1470
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: That's their smartest move. Yeah, yeah, that works. That's actually

1471
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: a good idea. But also Kuzma is maybe their best

1472
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: perimeter player, so we'll see.

1473
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's smart because I think the second unit will

1474
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: be going through Ka Kuzma because he wants to shoot

1475
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: when he gets the ball. So that's that's I think

1476
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: a more optimal role for him. And yeah, the Janis

1477
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 2: has to bank on a lot of guard play that's

1478
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 2: hasn't been proven strong in the NBA. He's bank and

1479
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: on Ryan Robins, he said he's improved a lot. He's

1480
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 2: banking on Kevin Porter Junior, who really flamed out in

1481
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Was difficult to watch him as the starting

1482
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 2: point guard for this team against the Pacers. He's banking

1483
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: on Cole Anthony loves Cole Anthony. We're talking about guys

1484
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 2: who've failed in other situations and Ryan Rowlins just a

1485
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 2: young player here. So are you betting against Giannis? Is

1486
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 2: what it comes down to you because the guards are questionable,

1487
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 2: very questionable. I think the d will be really good.

1488
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: I think Gannis will be healthier as the season goes on,

1489
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: having Myles Turner beside him. But are they lock I

1490
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 2: ain't betting against Giannis. I mean maybe maybe I'm guilty

1491
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: of doing that, but I'm fine. I'm fine locking them in.

1492
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: It's a little crazy. I think you move the Milakey Bucks.

1493
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: The only person more obsessed with family than Vin Diesel

1494
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: is the honest and he's getting all the bross. Oh yeah,

1495
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: it's pretty hilarious to see. But yeah, yeah, yeah, come

1496
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: on over. I am a playoff lock. I would put

1497
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: them right at the bottoms sort of our of our

1498
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: tier there. I I think I still I have faith still,

1499
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: obviously in the honest s led team just in this

1500
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: East to still be a top six seed.

1501
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: You too, Yeah, I'm fine putting them there.

1502
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm down on your down. Yeah, I definitely am.

1503
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: They have honest, that's awesome.

1504
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 3: He doesn't play seventy games anymore, and that's the problem

1505
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 3: for me and I'm but we're looking here like they

1506
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 3: do have Yiannis. I mean they've had Giannis though for

1507
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 3: the past three seasons haven't won a first round playoff series, right.

1508
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 2: So injuries injuries to.

1509
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: Get yeah, exactly, yeah, right.

1510
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, So yeah, to go through Jannis's games,

1511
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: he played sixty seven last year, seventy three the year before,

1512
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: and then in the in the sixties the four years

1513
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 2: before that for every single year for the four years before.

1514
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: We slought them here out of respect for your honest,

1515
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: who is the best player still in the Eastern conference. Ye. So,

1516
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: and that's again in this weird East where it's just

1517
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: this imbalance of all the great Western Conference teams to

1518
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: like this banged Eastern Conference teams. Yeah, like, this will

1519
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: be a very bad season if they're in the play

1520
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: in And what does that then have on Gianni's future

1521
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: with this squad. Hopefully they don't. Hopefully Bucks fans don't

1522
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: have to see that, and hopefully they have a great

1523
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: regular season and maybe win a playoff series or two.

1524
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,480
Speaker 1: They are the defending NBA Cup champions. Oh there is that. Yeah,

1525
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: that was big time. They celebrated it. Yeah, Dan Lillard

1526
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: was very excited. They knew.

1527
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 2: Maybe they knew Yeah in one game though, yeah, I'm

1528
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 2: looking you can't see in one game, absolutely not. I'm

1529
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: looking forward to an NBA cup of coffee for a

1530
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 2: mere coffee. I needed to make a coffee, pun I mean,

1531
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: I know it's a mere coffee. And he was let

1532
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: go by the Los Angeles Clippers because they were so

1533
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: deep that they're really taking chance on anybody on the

1534
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 2: wing slash guard, yes, or.

1535
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: Any of these guards and wings players like championship caliber

1536
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: pieces around Giannis, like they're praying and hoping that they are.

1537
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: They led the league in three point shooting last year,

1538
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: which is a bit of a surprise to me, thirty

1539
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 1: eight point seven percent, so strong efficiency. Gonna need that again.

1540
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: Surroundanis with all these guys and bomb Away and Turner

1541
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: to obviously help out with those threesons. Defensively, yeah, he's

1542
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: I think that is being a little overlooked. He's still

1543
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: a really good player. And Kevin Porter Junior was pretty

1544
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: decent in the regular season. He actually was a good

1545
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,879
Speaker 1: killing them and then when they needed more from the playoffs,

1546
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:26,759
Speaker 1: that was the problem.

1547
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 2: I can't wait to say Torrian Prince again because he's

1548
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 2: gonna play and he's gonna hit shots. He's gonna play less,

1549
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 2: He's gonna play less. Finally, I think that's good.

1550
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 3: These guys who were playing a lot, Torrian Prince and

1551
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 3: Andre Jackson Junior are kind of buried right now, and

1552
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 3: they were major pieces for this team last year, so

1553
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 3: it kind of feels like they don't really know exactly

1554
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 3: who they want to play. But I saw a mere

1555
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 3: Coffee and Jericho Sims have been friends since they were

1556
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: in grade school.

1557
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 2: So that's cool.

1558
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: No family and friendship, family and friendship, damn, that's my

1559
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: first round playoff appearance. Perhaps, Yeah, we.

1560
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 3: Think Minnesota Timberwolves finished forty nine and thirty three last year,

1561
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 3: sixth in the Western Conference. Pretty similar team to last year.

1562
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 3: Nikhil Alexander Walker is gone. He's here in Atlanta. Didn't

1563
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 3: really replace him because they're hoping Terrence Shannon Junior and

1564
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 3: Rob Dillingham can take a step forward. They also drafted

1565
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 3: two gigantic guys, Joann Barja and.

1566
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: Rocco Zakarski, both seven footers. One of them hit their

1567
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: face on the rim this week. I forget who it was,

1568
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: Rocco maybe so I think he's been wearing a face mask.

1569
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're gonna play very much. No nods, Reid,

1570
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: So where you got the Timberwolves.

1571
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 2: Rocco's Akarski cool name, Eh, didn't see that coming out

1572
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: of nowhere. Yeah, yo on be. They're both super super young,

1573
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: so Baron Jay is likely to play more minutes if

1574
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 2: he does as the Rudy Gobert backup. But I've got

1575
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: them high just because, Yes, Nikila Alexander Walker, who I

1576
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 2: think is a little bit overrated right now, even though

1577
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,879
Speaker 2: I love him here in Atlanta, but people just elevating

1578
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 2: every single Hawks move. He wasn't a monstrous player for

1579
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 2: this Wolves team, and I think Dante DiVincenzo can be

1580
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: slotted in there as well as a guy who's didn't

1581
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 2: really find his way in Minnesota just because he was

1582
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: dealt right before training camp happened. So I think they

1583
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: got a bunch of guys that have learned along with

1584
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 2: Julius Randall, those guys have learned how to play with

1585
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards. So I'm banking on them to be a

1586
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: lock for sure.

1587
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 1: I feel like the Wolves are the most disrespected team

1588
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: from the Vegas odds coming into this season. I find there.

1589
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: I thought they're over under iron was a little weird

1590
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: at forty nine and a half. I see them as

1591
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: a when you look at the Western Conference winners the

1592
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: odds for that, Okay, see number one plus twenty five,

1593
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 1: then Denver plus five hundred, then the Rockets plus one thousand,

1594
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 1: same as the Clippers, same as the Lakers. I haven't

1595
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: said the Wolves yet. They've been to two Western Conference finals.

1596
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: They have a similar team still hasn't changed all that much.

1597
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: You might have an Anthony Edwards leap here as he

1598
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: gets older and gets closer to the prime where he

1599
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: explodes even more so, like for them to be what

1600
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: did I say, one sixth seventh for the odds on

1601
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: favorites to win the West, that's I don't know. I

1602
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: feel like that's a bit of a slap to the

1603
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 1: face in my opinion.

1604
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's probably because every other team you

1605
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 3: mentioned made a move and all they did was lose

1606
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 3: a guy.

1607
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe i'd say, just signed guys.

1608
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, Randall, you're back, Yeah, naz Reid,

1609
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 1: You're back. Yeah. Possibly, but I am. I mean, they're

1610
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: to me easily a Final four flirt, and it's just

1611
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: whether or not we're convinceder a championship contender because they

1612
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: keep going pretty deep.

1613
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 3: They are number five title contender for me. They're the

1614
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 3: last team that I would have in the very first tier.

1615
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 3: I believe in Anthony Edwards. I think they will be better.

1616
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 3: They got a great defense, regardless of how they look offensively.

1617
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 3: I agree with you that like a full season for

1618
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 3: de Vincenzo, not getting traded right after he's doing photo

1619
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 3: shoot with.

1620
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: His college teammates probably helps.

1621
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 3: Julius Randall was thrown off it's the way their season

1622
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 3: played out was pretty weird, and that they started slow

1623
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 3: trying to get Randall and Evincenzo acclimated to Minnesota. Then

1624
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 3: Randall goes out with an injury, he comes back, they

1625
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 3: caught fire and rolled through the playoffs coasting on that momentum.

1626
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 3: I do think it's pretty hilarious that we're just now

1627
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 3: thinking Anthony Edwards started watching Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant.

1628
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 3: I bet he probably checked him out before then. But look,

1629
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 3: if he comes back with an awesome post game, that's

1630
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 3: big time for the Timberwolves because the two things lacking

1631
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 3: in ants game are the blend of scoring and playmaking,

1632
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 3: which is just going to have to come with more

1633
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 3: on ball reps. But number two is a in between game.

1634
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 3: He can get to the rim. He turned into an

1635
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 3: awesome three point shooter last year, but come playoff time,

1636
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 3: teams were playing him to do one of those two things,

1637
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 3: knowing he isn't as confident in between. So if he's

1638
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 3: able to kill switches even better this year, if he's

1639
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 3: able to live a little bit in the mid range

1640
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 3: like an MJ or a Kobe, that makes them an

1641
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 3: even deadlier playoff team. So I'm personally a bottom of

1642
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 3: tier one guy for the Timberwolves.

1643
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine throwing him up there. I know people

1644
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 2: are sort of reluctant to buy into this team because

1645
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 2: the guy playing beside Anthony Edwards is old and Mike Conley.

1646
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 2: So that's what teams defensively were able to do with

1647
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: and get the ball out of his hands. So can

1648
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: I if Mike Conley is older, can somebody fill in

1649
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: in that role? I think that's a fair question. I

1650
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 2: think de Vincenzo will elevate himself. Will he be a

1651
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: starter at some point like he was for the Knicks

1652
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 2: in the year prior bombing away. No, he hain't the

1653
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 2: ball handler that Conley is, that's for sure. I think

1654
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 2: the other thing to worry about a little bit. But

1655
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: you said the defense can be good, no doubt. Jane

1656
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 2: mcdanial's as good as Rudy Gobert finally old. I think

1657
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 2: that's possible. You know, he is important to this team.

1658
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: He's thirty three. It's old enough to be Joan Barrett

1659
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: and Jay's dad. Almost not really, you, I baron Jay,

1660
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 2: who's supposed to be the replacement of Rudy Gobert old

1661
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 2: nineteen or twenty, Yeah, nineteen at the most. What does

1662
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: the internet say, why can't I see his name when

1663
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this frickin' ross baron Ja but not

1664
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 2: this year? Eighteen, three hundred and forty three days. So

1665
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 2: Rudy is old enough to be his very older brother,

1666
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 2: I suppose. But anyway, there's some questions there.

1667
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: A second marriage accidental, right, there's a big difference there

1668
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: between Rudy and Baron Jay.

1669
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the second marriage accidental, that's sixteen years apart. Yeah,

1670
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 2: I guess. Anyway, as you said, with the Timberwolves, I

1671
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: think that's probably where they were ranked last year, right,

1672
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 2: the same sort of spot, you know, like fifth, sixth

1673
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 2: in the Western Conference. Yeah, I imagine it's like every

1674
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: year with this team. But you can't pay against Aunt.

1675
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: That's part of it. That's part of it. This team

1676
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: should be.

1677
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: Nobody's thinking Ant's getting worse or probably plateauing. And I

1678
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: think when you just get to the playoff series with Aunt,

1679
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: it's like he needs to be the best player on

1680
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: the floor in the series. But they've run into some

1681
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: MVP like guys and really good squads in the SGAs

1682
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: and the Yolkitches of the world and stuff like that.

1683
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: But he's going to continue to get better here. He

1684
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: needs to get a little bit more efficient scoring Trey.

1685
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: He brought up the playmaking, the balance of that. Now

1686
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: he's out in the mid range game just like the

1687
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: you know we are. He is a leader, I mean

1688
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: you sort of a leader from day one. He just

1689
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: sort of holds himself that way. But on the floor

1690
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 1: and all that. So I'm fine with putting them as

1691
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: a title contender right at the end.

1692
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 3: Cool New Orleans Pelicans twenty one and sixty one last

1693
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 3: season finished fourteenth in the Western Conference. They traded CJ.

1694
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 3: McCollum for Jordan Poole. They brought in Kevon Looney and

1695
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 3: then they drafted Jeremiah Fears and Derek Queen. Derek Queen,

1696
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 3: I think is one fifty to one for Rookie of

1697
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 3: the Year. Whoa well, talk about a dark horse.

1698
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: But atension Zion goes out with an injury, Derek Queen

1699
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: gets is good in there, twenty and ten. How are

1700
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: you how? Yeah, he's injured, right, Yes, it's sweet to

1701
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: start this se there we go. That's why he's one

1702
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: fifty to one. Yeah, Rookie of the Year isn't one

1703
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: in the first month unless you're Michael Carter Williams. Good

1704
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: luck figuring out this.

1705
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 3: They got a lot of good guys on their team

1706
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 3: that would be awesome on other teams. They got Zion

1707
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 3: Williams and sometimes he's in the top five player in

1708
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 3: the league.

1709
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I said it when we were doing our predictions.

1710
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: If Zion, Trey Murphy, and Herb Jones can just play

1711
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: sixty plus games together, they're all out there. I like

1712
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: their chances to hit their over, which was embarrassingly low.

1713
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 1: It was like thirty one and a half or something like.

1714
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: I think you're right, it was in the low thirties.

1715
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: There they play, they're hitting that over. I'm confident about that,

1716
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: but like, good luck trying to figure out if they're

1717
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: actually healthy. So I have them as a play and.

1718
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 2: Hopeful the same.

1719
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: The most you can wish for you right now?

1720
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yes. We'll call Joe Dumars all the

1721
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 2: time and ask him what's going on with your team.

1722
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 2: He'll pick up his cell phone, he'll pick.

1723
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: It up, then he'll pick up the other song exactly exactly.

1724
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: Every one of us will call him. How many phones.

1725
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: Does he have, well, just the two or is that

1726
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 2: just the thing?

1727
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: He has a pager still?

1728
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: Do they have a pager there?

1729
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: No?

1730
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, okay.

1731
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: I just feel like Joe Dumars at one point had

1732
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: a patre Oh yeah, yeah, it's gonna play.

1733
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: Nobody knows. Yeah, Joe does not know. He's hopeful that

1734
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 2: Zion is going to be awesome. He's pushing him to

1735
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 2: be a leader and we'll see if he can do that.

1736
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:36,799
Speaker 3: No expectations for the Pelicans right now, n op, No expectations.

1737
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 3: So they can go in the play and hopefuls for now.

1738
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 3: And look, it would be cool to be wowed by

1739
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 3: this team.

1740
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1741
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: I think it'd be fun to see Zion play sixty

1742
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: plus games.

1743
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 3: He did a three sixty in pre seasons. Go to dunk,

1744
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,679
Speaker 3: he says, go to dunk, but we never see it anymore.

1745
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 3: He did it, and he's got to go to you

1746
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 3: right now.

1747
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: It would be you're right, it'd be just nice as

1748
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: basketball sicos to have a healthy Zion and at least

1749
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: a spunky Pelicans team. Yeah, competing night, just healthy guys

1750
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: out there. They have decent team, like you know, Looney

1751
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: starting even as a vet I don't like. I don't

1752
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 1: mind that if Missy's coming off the bench, So you're

1753
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: fine with play and hopeful I like it, Okay, yep.

1754
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 3: The New York Knicks finished fifty one and thirty one

1755
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 3: last season, third in the Eastern Conference, made the conference

1756
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 3: finals for the first time in twenty five years, and

1757
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 3: fired their head coach Tom Divide. They brought in Mike

1758
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: Brown and they moped up their bench as well, Gershan

1759
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 3: Yabu Sale, Jordan Clarkson, Malcolm Brogden is around.

1760
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: They definitely improved. So where we were putting the New

1761
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: York Knickerbockers to the top, to the top title contender,

1762
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: I think so too got to I believe like they're

1763
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: at the point it's a disappointing season if they're not

1764
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: in the conference finals. Definitely, definitely disappointing season. And yeah,

1765
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: they have obviously their ambition to get to the finals.

1766
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're a title contender. They're still really good,

1767
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: aheader behind the Cleveland Cavaliers ahead.

1768
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 2: I'm with you, I'm fine. Yeah. I would think when

1769
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: you went through the odds first there skeets, i'd think

1770
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 2: that they would be higher, better odds than the Cleveland Cavaliers,

1771
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: not just because everybody's sort of excited that the New

1772
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: York Knicks, uh, you know, got your conference finals and

1773
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: made all these moves, but they're super good.

1774
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 1: Plus four twenty. The Knicks are to win the East.

1775
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: That's not bad. The Cavaliers are plus two hundred, and

1776
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: then you know, then there's the Then it goes Magic

1777
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: and Hawks and Celtics and Pistons. So plus four twenty. Yeah,

1778
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: nice for the Knicks. Yeah, I appreciate take it away. Close,

1779
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: guys up too, Let's catch up with ye for sure. Well,

1780
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: who's going to be the team's fifth most important player

1781
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: is a question I wrote down.

1782
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 3: I know, okay, it's like we're talking Bruns and Towns,

1783
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 3: O G.

1784
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 1: Bridges. Yeah, top four? So is it Heart? Is it McBride?

1785
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: Is it Mitchell Robinson, who at times has appeared to

1786
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 1: be that, like he's very important, he needs to be

1787
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: healthy and he's to play. Is it one of these

1788
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: other guys coming off the bench. We'll see. It's probably Heart,

1789
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: But when Mitchell Robinson was it? Yeah, I know double

1790
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: Biggs is back.

1791
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 2: It's back, baby. I think Mike Brown is going to

1792
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: be buying into that. But they have so much depth.

1793
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 2: So that's why I have more faith in that fifty

1794
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 2: one thirty one performance last year. I think people forget that.

1795
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: They just want fifty one games. Like it seems like

1796
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 2: there was a lot of people.

1797
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: I remember hitting the over going into last season, and

1798
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: I don't remember because I swerved. I was like, I'm

1799
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: gonna take the under on the next It wasn't much more.

1800
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: It was like fifty four and a half. They were

1801
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: pegged after the Big Cat trade and all that, right,

1802
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: so you know, there was expectations people were on them.

1803
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 2: They went under, they underperformed in the regular season, and

1804
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: somehow got to the conference finals. I think Mike Brown

1805
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 2: will change this team in the way they play offense,

1806
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: how deep they go. And Mitchie Mitch's isn't important though.

1807
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 2: Will he be able to play Mitchell Robinson? Will I

1808
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 2: have to say who he is because maybe people don't

1809
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 2: know who Mitchie Mitch is just somehow that Yeah. But

1810
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 2: I think Gershy Gersh is going to play a Lotcell

1811
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 2: is going to play a lot, hopefully Mitchell not for

1812
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 2: the reason because Mitschell Robinson gets hurt, but because he

1813
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 2: is going to spread the floor for Karlington Town's Karl

1814
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: Anthony Townsend shooters, Baby, all of them. That's gonna be great.

1815
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 2: That's gonna be fun for the Mike Brown's gonna do that.

1816
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 2: And those guys are all going to touch the ball.

1817
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 2: And I think they'll have a defensive they didn't have

1818
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 2: last year. That just the attitude. They didn't have a

1819
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 2: great defensive team last year. Period. It came alive in

1820
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 2: the playoffs. But they should be better than a mediocre

1821
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 2: offensive team or a defensive team, I should say.

1822
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 3: I saw a great tweet from Tommy Beer yesterday who

1823
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 3: said that the Knicks are thirty second in pace during

1824
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 3: the preseason, behind a team from China and a team

1825
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 3: from Australia. I was told Mike Brown was an offensive

1826
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 3: g's just going to get this team moving. I saw

1827
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 3: one preseason clip of them in practice whipping the ball around,

1828
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 3: people saying I haven't seen.

1829
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Ball movement like this from the Knicks in forever. And

1830
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: they go out and they're slower than the South Melbourne Phoenix.

1831
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: They're playing the long game here and they're playing the

1832
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: long Yeah, exactly right, right, yeah, all right, so we

1833
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 1: got I'm contending here.

1834
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, Tommy Beer, is this slow poor.

1835
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 2: There's vis just a Beer reference in there somewhere. It's

1836
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 2: the freaking preseason kids.

1837
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: You know, he's a really good jumper, Tommy Beer. He's

1838
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: got hops. Yes, that's good. Oklahoma City Thunder.

1839
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: Where does some of you play basketball?

1840
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really know who he is?

1841
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 3: Twitter guy next Twitter follow, And he just had the

1842
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 3: thing going around with the oldest basketball you've ever seen.

1843
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: He's like, I finally got to retire. This was him.

1844
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it looked like a sweet gum ball or

1845
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 3: like a COVID thing, like a COVID molecule was so

1846
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 3: fuzzy and Harry he put in an orange at all.

1847
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: He retired it and put it up on his U

1848
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: like mantle piece because yeah, yeah, respect that that was

1849
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: a well used ball.

1850
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City Thunder finished sixty eight and fourteen last season.

1851
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 3: They won the NBA Championship, finished first in the Western Conference,

1852
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 3: and they're bringing everybody.

1853
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: Back number one with bullet Yeah. I mean, waste any

1854
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: time on this. The Thunder slaught them ahead of the

1855
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: book gets there you go. They are title contenders. Boop.

1856
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: I just wonder can they repeat with that suffocating defense?

1857
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: That that's my only question and not because of the personnel,

1858
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: just because of the mentality of it all and how

1859
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: you got to approach it to be that. But they

1860
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: probably will.

1861
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 3: What was our over under sixty one and a half

1862
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 3: or sixty two and a half. I think I know

1863
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 3: I went under you I went under as well. Jaylen

1864
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 3: Williams isn't ready. He's not ready to play, right, ok

1865
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 3: So maybe that's good for people who chose the under.

1866
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 3: He's still recovering from the wrist surgery that he had

1867
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 3: after a forty point NBA Finals game. Yeah, yeah, he

1868
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 3: had an injury in the NBA Finals that required surgery

1869
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 3: in the offseason. He's still scored forty.

1870
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that is amazing. And they won sixty eight

1871
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: games and didn't have home Grin for half of it

1872
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: Hartenstein for half of it. So like we might be looked,

1873
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: we might look silly. They may they still win sixty

1874
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: six games. He could miss a month, like they just

1875
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: they're so deep too, and they obviously have an identity.

1876
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 1: They're well coached, and they got Shay who's always going

1877
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: to score thirty two points or thirty one points. So yeah,

1878
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: the pretty good good, Yeah, okay, good, let's keep it

1879
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 1: going good luck to Nicolo Topitc's nuts, nuts to his nuts.

1880
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: The Orlando Magic went forty one and forty one last

1881
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: seven season, seventh in the Eastern Conference. That's with Palo

1882
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 1: Bonkaro planned forty six games. Franz Wagner limited the sixty

1883
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: games due to oblique injuries. They brought in Desmond Bane

1884
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:49,560
Speaker 1: and Tias Jones. They shipped out Kentaviious Caldwell Pope, and

1885
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: they drafted Jace Richardson. Where do we like the Magic?

1886
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 2: I think easily a lock.

1887
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1888
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 2: Are they a Final four flirt is the question? Can

1889
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 2: they do that for me? Yes? We need some more

1890
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 2: teams here.

1891
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: Wow, two, come on in the Eastern Conference, they're one

1892
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: of the second level teams. Yeah, I guess that's true.

1893
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 1: That's true.

1894
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 2: They can flirt with the Final four flirt ranking. That's

1895
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 2: one hundred percent true. They have way more depth this year,

1896
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 2: the guard players. Yeah, hopefully they got to be healthy

1897
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 2: for sure.

1898
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,759
Speaker 3: Well, I'm more so like, prove your good Anthony Black.

1899
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 3: I've got hope for this guy. He hasn't really established

1900
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 3: himself right now, and I wonder like if if he's

1901
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 3: able to hold onto the backup point guard position, like

1902
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 3: he wasn't able to take the job from Cole Anthony.

1903
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: That's kind of weird to me.

1904
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. I don't even I don't even know

1905
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 2: if Anthony Block's going to play. I don't think that's

1906
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 2: who's the depth. Tyas Jones is way better than what

1907
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 2: they had last year, so true, Yeah, I think he'll

1908
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 2: He's fine. Yeah, that's all they need. I mean, last year,

1909
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 2: Corey Joseph as good as a Canadian boy, he was.

1910
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 2: He started for this team for a little stretch. Had

1911
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 2: they needed somebody so Sug stays healthy then already hurt,

1912
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 2: yeahvering recovering injury. Yeah, do they have the depth? Do

1913
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 2: they stay healthy? What is on? Desmond Baines played as

1914
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 2: a as a ball maker. I think he can do that.

1915
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 2: I think they'll They'll allow him to make plays, so

1916
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 2: they'll be less on ban caro shoulders, less on Wagner's shoulders.

1917
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 2: I guess I'm just thinking if these other guys are

1918
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 2: playing more, then these other guys will be staying healthy

1919
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 2: more and Sugs won't be going as nuts want to

1920
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 2: try and start every play. Ben Caro wants to start

1921
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 2: every play, but obliques are obliques. I guess. I don't know.

1922
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 2: Is this how it goes into this season?

1923
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: Is this year the magic breakout of the bottom top

1924
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 1: ten in offense? They have to be at least average

1925
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: shift not better. Have to be Somebody has to hit

1926
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: a shot. Somebody got KCP and we were like ohing

1927
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: nuts for that, Oh my god, great three point shooter.

1928
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 1: He couldn't hit a three. And if Desmond Band can't

1929
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: hit threes, or Tyas Jones even who's a pretty good

1930
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: three point shooter, doesn't take a high volume like being

1931
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 1: even this rookie and Jase Richardson, if they can't hit threes,

1932
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: they need to tear that building down and just make

1933
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: a new one because the site lines must suck or

1934
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: something like it. Something's wrong. They can't shoot. But I

1935
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: have faith in them. I yeah, that's fine putting them

1936
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: in the second tier. It's bottom second tier, top of

1937
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: the obviously playoff locks to me. But that's fine where

1938
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 1: we have them. Because you made a good point. It's

1939
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: like this is the East here and most people have

1940
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: the magic slotted in. If Palo and Franz continue to

1941
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: grow and stay healthy enough, they're going to be that

1942
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: second tier in the East.

1943
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 2: So, yeah, they were the worst three point shooting team

1944
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 2: in a decade or so.

1945
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

1946
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, since twenty thirteen fourteen. But Tias Jones forty one percent.

1947
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 2: He's shooting five threes a game last year. Back to

1948
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 2: the bench, that's good. Yeahh I've got a good starter,

1949
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 2: but he's a good bench player.

1950
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

1951
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 3: You know who needs to make threes for this team,

1952
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 3: Paolo Bancaro and Franz Box. That'd be great, that would

1953
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 3: be a huge step forward for them. Palo, I'm looking

1954
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 3: at you a little sideways. Always been a big fan,

1955
01:32:58,439 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 3: but you need to step your efficiency game.

1956
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 1: Are you pumping the brakes a big rig himself? No, No,

1957
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm tuning them up.

1958
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm paying for the full detail, all right.

1959
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few weeks ago you said that Franz Walker

1960
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 2: may be the best player on the Orlando Magic.

1961
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: He's very good. I know, I know. I don't ever

1962
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: think he'll be able to shoot though. No, you've given

1963
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: up on that.

1964
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah I did too. Yeah, I was buying in the

1965
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 2: euro Basket, even in just the warm ops. I thought

1966
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 2: it was smooth, Ryan too, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, it's

1967
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 2: just saying him. It ain't him, but it is Desmond

1968
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,879
Speaker 2: Main for sure, so we'll see an improvement.

1969
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 3: Okay, here's another tough one to figure out. The Philadelphia

1970
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 3: seventy six Ers twenty four and fifty eight last season,

1971
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 3: thirteenth in the Eastern Conference. They drafted VJ. Edgecombe number three.

1972
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 3: No idea who's playing for this team any single night.

1973
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 1: No, you don't, which makes it very difficult to try

1974
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: and slot him in here to our tier that we have.

1975
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: And b does sound like he's gonna be redder ready.

1976
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 2: Sooner rather than later.

1977
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 1: So what does that mean?

1978
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1979
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: He was playing one on one and five and five

1980
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: in practice. Like that's a quality update for Philadelphia seventy

1981
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 1: six Ers. Yeah, that's true. I hate this team so much.

1982
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: I hate talking about jere McCain. Already, Tyler is MAXI

1983
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: he's healthy. They signed when Grimes finally, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1984
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: I like VJ. Like he's gonna have a lot of highlights.

1985
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 1: I think when he gets that opportunity and dunk on

1986
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: some guys catch some bodies, for sure. But if things

1987
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: start poorly, which they might because their main guys are injured, Like,

1988
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: will they just lean into a rebuild, and will anyone

1989
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: want to trade for embader Paul George because they have

1990
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: a ton of years left on their contracts and beat

1991
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 1: US four I think PGS three. Yeah, it's but is

1992
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: there anyone desperate enough that would think that one of

1993
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: those guys could help him?

1994
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1995
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: I think it's a possibility. They'd obviously be taking the calls.

1996
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't know where to put them. I guess they're

1997
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,799
Speaker 1: they're not They're not bad, bad bad, So they're playing hopeful.

1998
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,599
Speaker 1: Is that disrespectful? I don't know. I think you're right.

1999
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 3: And a potential mid season they could bump up or

2000
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 3: down either, Like if we are seeing Embiid and Paul

2001
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 3: George actually be healthy, Jared mccaden comes back after his

2002
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 3: UCL surgery and is fine, Like they could look like

2003
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 3: a playoff team. They've got a lot of talent in

2004
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 3: their top five or six.

2005
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: After that is.

2006
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 3: Big time question marks when we're talking about Trenton Watford

2007
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,679
Speaker 3: or Kelly Oubray as a starter for this team, or

2008
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 3: Paul George and Joel Embiid aren't able to stay on

2009
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 3: the court, and we're talking about a team that's looking

2010
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 3: at lottery odds again. So I think it's fine to

2011
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 3: put them in Tier four for right now, knowing that

2012
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 3: they're probably moving one way or the other eventually.

2013
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 2: We're not a team that just talks about the best

2014
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 2: teams in the NBA. We are. We're a podcast that

2015
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 2: talks about all of them. But this is one team

2016
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 2: I just don't want to talk about. Frankly, that's it's

2017
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 2: hard to do that. It's hard to get anywhere near

2018
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 2: excited about this team. So throw them in there. We'll

2019
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 2: see what happens. You're right, they may be bumped. There's

2020
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 2: lots of questions. There's just too many questions to even

2021
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 2: go through. And I won't. I won't, Okay, I got a.

2022
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: Lot of All Star appearances on this Paul George embiid

2023
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: deep in the queue. He's got like five or sixth though.

2024
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: He got a Drummond for a couple.

2025
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: Great call, Maxie, he's got one too, Just one at

2026
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: them all up. It's good.

2027
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 2: Add them up up.

2028
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 3: Phoenix Suns thirty six and forty six last season, eleventh

2029
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 3: in the Western Conference. Kevin Durant's gone, Bradley Beal is gone,

2030
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 3: but Dylan Brooks, Jalen Green, and Mark Williams are here as.

2031
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 2: A common Malley watch.

2032
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,759
Speaker 1: They got three centers. Now, yeah, they went from starting

2033
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: They went from Nurkic and plumb Lee to two hornets

2034
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 1: and a Mallowatch as their centers. Weird team, the Phoenix's weird,

2035
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 1: very weird. They are hoping that Dylan Brooks and all

2036
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 1: these other guys can help the Sons climb back to

2037
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: sort of an average defensive team in this league. That

2038
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: would be a great start. They're trying to get back,

2039
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 1: They're trying to find an identity after the whole Katie

2040
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Beal experiment, and they're they're seem to be leaning into

2041
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 1: like obviously keeping Devin Booker here's got he's our guy,

2042
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: he's our go to score. But we need some more

2043
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 1: dogs or some like defensive minded guys and that's going

2044
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 1: to be our best chance to win games. They're tough

2045
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 1: to figure out. I was high on or a little

2046
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: higher on them the most when it came to their

2047
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: over unders, which was low. I think they're going to

2048
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 1: be would you say, thirty six win team last year? Yes, yeah,

2049
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: Like I think that sort of ballpark that would to

2050
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: me then probably has them as a play and hopeful

2051
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,600
Speaker 1: I can't go higher than that. But I want you

2052
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: to remember that this year's Suns they're not going to

2053
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 1: be measured in wins and losses. They're going to be

2054
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 1: measured in success. What. Yeah, that's what owner Matt Ishbie said. Okay,

2055
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,839
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago. That was basically his exact quote.

2056
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 1: I hope that we win more games than we won

2057
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: last year. But the truth is it's not going to

2058
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: be measured in wins and losses this year, but it's

2059
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: going to be measured in success. What. That's a real

2060
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: That's a riddle.

2061
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 3: That's literally a riddle, because I'm like, our wins not success.

2062
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: He's saying, not this year. I guess that's not how

2063
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: they're measuring success.

2064
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 2: So I don't remember.

2065
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 3: I remember when Jim Boylan said that about the Chicago

2066
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 3: Bulls they were bad, when he was talking about wins

2067
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 3: and lessons versus wins and losses.

2068
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 2: I get what he's saying, though. They're turning around the

2069
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 2: organization in a way where we're not just buying guys

2070
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,600
Speaker 2: here and there. We've got a new attitude. You've got

2071
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 2: a new locker room there. That's who we are.

2072
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 1: He's basically saying We're not going to be all that good.

2073
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 2: To some degree yet, but that's what we're building.

2074
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,679
Speaker 1: Yes, as long as we have the right attitude every day,

2075
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: then that's the stepping stone.

2076
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was definitely. I questioned Brian Gregory as their

2077
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 2: GM who had never been to GM before, questioned Jordan

2078
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 2: not to see what he can do as a new

2079
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 2: head coach in this league. But I understand what he's saying,

2080
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:03,719
Speaker 2: and I guess season also saying we're gonna make money,

2081
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to compare to his business. I'm trying

2082
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 2: to compare to mortgage rates, like we're not going to

2083
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 2: be two percent better, We're gonna be two point five

2084
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 2: percent better. Anyway, there's no real good reference there, and

2085
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 2: there's no real good right.

2086
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 1: I think the Phoenix Suns that's their tagline this year,

2087
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna be two point five percent better. I think

2088
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: that's perfect.

2089
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 2: That's good.

2090
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 1: I haven't went in about thirty seven, thirty eight.

2091
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 2: Games they get anywhere close to that. Even if they'd

2092
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,799
Speaker 2: be good to the one point eight percent or whatever

2093
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 2: it is, that'll be an accomplishment because this is their

2094
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 2: thirty second, forty six last year. It would be such

2095
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 2: more of an optimal thirty six and forty six this

2096
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 2: season if they did the exact same thing, right to me,

2097
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 2: even if they don't.

2098
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 1: Have to, because we like full last year, what all

2099
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 1: their title contenders look at this squad. They can all

2100
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: play healthy in the three name guys. We were high. Wow. Yeah,

2101
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah. There was a lot of Boodhenolzer love coming

2102
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,600
Speaker 1: from this guy right here. I know that I was

2103
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:00,679
Speaker 1: buying it. I think something to be on this day.

2104
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 1: It was very take.

2105
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 2: Preseason word.

2106
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes he was. So we have him as a

2107
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 1: play in. Yeah, I think that's right. That'd be a

2108
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 1: good season. They hope they make the play in. I

2109
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: think task is right. A thirty six win season this

2110
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 1: year for the Suns is a success. He's a wise man, right,

2111
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: But but then again, like thirty six wins, No, you're

2112
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 1: not even gonna come close to a play No, they're hopeful, right,

2113
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,440
Speaker 1: hopeful for thirty six wins.

2114
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 3: I think they'll be okay when Booker is on the court,

2115
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 3: and then when he gets off the court, you're.

2116
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I know, I know. I just watched the

2117
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: Jalen Green Nick Richards two man game. Yeah. Yeah, I

2118
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: oddly think there is something though it was still a good,

2119
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: awesome Devin Booker and then all these like sort of

2120
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 1: weirdo pieces around him like this, like sort of misfit toys,

2121
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: like cast offs is another way to say it. Yeah,

2122
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,679
Speaker 1: and they're completely like no one cares about the Phoenix

2123
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,560
Speaker 1: Suns now, they're completely forgot in any sort of conversation

2124
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,599
Speaker 1: like that might work in their favorites what I'm getting here,

2125
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: They might surprise people.

2126
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they'll plenty of cast offs. I

2127
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 2: think Jared Butler scored thirty five in a preseason game.

2128
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 2: Few excited about Jared Butler.

2129
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 1: Nigel Hayes Davis, He's I'm a big the definition of

2130
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 1: a cast on man.

2131
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, a big fan of has He played at University

2132
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 3: of Wisconsin like one hundred years ago. He played for

2133
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 3: them so long because then he like he went over

2134
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 3: and played internationally for five or six years or something

2135
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:32,640
Speaker 3: like that.

2136
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2137
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's thirty.

2138
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 2: He's thirty. Yeah. Yeah, So they're trying to that's exactly

2139
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 2: the type of player, the type of attitude that should

2140
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 2: be one.

2141
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: He's hungry guys.

2142
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's hungry guy. He's always been a great defensive guy.

2143
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch Colin Gillespie play point guard for

2144
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 2: this team. He might be their only point guard. That's it.

2145
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,719
Speaker 2: The end of my statement. There's they're desperate. They're desperate

2146
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 2: for players. We'll we'll see if honestly a third do

2147
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,679
Speaker 2: you win season where they're playing hard.

2148
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: Dropping wins, you're selling, Hey, we win one game. That's

2149
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 1: my success to that gratitude.

2150
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 2: Right, Thirty six and forty six, heck of an accomplishment.

2151
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 2: Thirty and fifty two with guys who play hard, okay,

2152
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,440
Speaker 2: like somewhat hard. Last year they didn't, they didn't care defensively,

2153
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 2: they getting as to how.

2154
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 1: I started this conversation, like I think a goal for

2155
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: them is to be an average defensive unit, right right,

2156
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:32,240
Speaker 1: not garbage on that end, Like, can we start with that?

2157
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,799
Speaker 1: Start with that and whatever that translates into wins and losses,

2158
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: We'll start with that.

2159
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 2: They're trying to change.

2160
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: Man, we are coping hard team right now.

2161
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, wow, a lot good lock every about

2162
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 2: every team. We do talk about everything.

2163
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:51,599
Speaker 1: The Phoenix. How long were we talking about seventy six ers? Yeah,

2164
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: I mean West Coast. That's tough. They have to stay

2165
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 1: get your sons takes ins early that's my point when

2166
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: we start the season the mortgage matchups. Yeah, I can't wait.

2167
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: That's the name of a name.

2168
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 3: You said stepping Stones earlier. I was like, that sounds

2169
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 3: like a name that the Phoenix stepping Stone Center the

2170
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 3: Portland Trail Blazers.

2171
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 1: They also went thirty six and forty six last year,

2172
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: finished twelfth in the Western Conference, drew holiday in Anthony

2173
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:22,679
Speaker 1: Simon's out, and they drafted a young Hansen Sto Henderson

2174
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 1: banged up to start this season. Yeah, are the Phoenix

2175
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 1: Suns better than the Blazers or vice versa? Right, same spot,

2176
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: same spot? Yeah to me. Yeah, And like obviously, at

2177
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: least in the Blazers camp, you have like, hey, look

2178
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 1: how great we played at the end of last year.

2179
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: We were really solid. Uh, we were figuring things out.

2180
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 1: Our guys are still young, they're growing. So that's like

2181
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: sort of where it differs a little bit in the Suns,

2182
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 1: where it's sort of all brand new, just like with

2183
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 1: sort of this blown up team now and we go

2184
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: at it again. So I think they are I think

2185
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,719
Speaker 1: the Blazers are a little bit better than the Suns.

2186
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:59,600
Speaker 1: They come in with an identity. At least they're like

2187
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna it's like defense, but they could easily be

2188
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 1: a bottom five offensive team in the league this year

2189
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: because like Danny Avia is probably their best offensive player.

2190
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:13,719
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna bit sharp, I think. But yeah, yeah, sure,

2191
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: sure obvious coming off the bench, Like that's crazy to me.

2192
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see the roster issue that they have with

2193
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 2: him and Jeremy Grant. The answer is, you play Danny avidya.

2194
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 2: But the fact that you're paying so much for Jammie

2195
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 2: Grant is a bit of an issue. You should expect

2196
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 2: this team to be better than the Phoenix Suns in

2197
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:37,679
Speaker 2: that comparison because they're paying Drew Holliday a ton of money.

2198
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:41,919
Speaker 2: They went and got him to help out their defense.

2199
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 2: Chauncey Bilps went and signed two offensive coordinators essentially to

2200
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 2: help out their offense because they were good on the

2201
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 2: defensive end. Yeah, so they have, Yes, they got it.

2202
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 2: They've got definitely an attitude that they should come into

2203
01:44:56,439 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 2: this season with. They've got expectations. Expecttions are what a

2204
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:05,639
Speaker 2: playing spot. That's probably what they have on the whiteboard.

2205
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:07,719
Speaker 2: Play in her bust.

2206
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably coaches put that on them.

2207
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 2: No, that's so sad.

2208
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 3: No, but you know, coming into the locker room and

2209
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 3: seeing there, let's go. I mean, what was the son's

2210
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 3: one say, success or bust?

2211
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just.

2212
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 1: Says right, wins and losses don't matter. That's what It's

2213
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: actually really good. If you were playing like damn, no

2214
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 1: pressure in this game today, Let's go.

2215
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 2: Crazy, get better by zero point one percent every day.

2216
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 2: I think that's it.

2217
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: It's like, man, you should be a saying to his

2218
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 1: son's players, hey, just make me feel good. That's exactly

2219
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 1: what they say. Make them feel But I do have

2220
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 1: them in a playing spot to get back to the Blazers,

2221
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of their potential does rest

2222
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 1: on this idea of like this internal growth from these guys.

2223
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:57,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like Scoot that he's already injured,

2224
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: but Scoot Henderson and Sharp like they showed, they show

2225
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:05,600
Speaker 1: flashes of brilliants. They really do. They now need to

2226
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,280
Speaker 1: become like consistent NBA players where you start stringing it

2227
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 1: together for months on end or if not, the whole season,

2228
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: and you have that steady production. So hopefully that's the

2229
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. Can't wait for young Hanson. It's

2230
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. The highlights are gonna be great. The

2231
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 1: defense to would be good.

2232
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to expect with

2233
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 3: young because they drafted Donovan Cleaning last year and they're

2234
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 3: gonna start him. Yeah, like he was one of their

2235
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 3: good rookies last year, I thought. And as a defensive

2236
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:34,719
Speaker 3: forward team, like you need to have a good defensive center.

2237
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 1: But Hanson looks like he's got some skills. Oh yeah, yeah,

2238
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of center minutes to go around.

2239
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 1: Well we say that, but then it's like time learn

2240
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: ain't gonna play. No, But I'm saying, like Cleaning plays

2241
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:47,640
Speaker 1: thirty minutes a game, which I think would be a

2242
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 1: lot for are still only eighteen minutes left? Yeah, they

2243
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:53,880
Speaker 1: just split it. Just split twenty four for the defensive guy,

2244
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:57,719
Speaker 1: twenty four for Chinese. Yo, kitch, let's go done, simple,

2245
01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:58,639
Speaker 1: thirty eight wins.

2246
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:01,040
Speaker 2: Excited for Shade and Sharp, that's for sure, because he's

2247
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 2: going to have the opportunity to score a lot. And

2248
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 2: Drew Rowady is talking him up already and how much

2249
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,720
Speaker 2: talent he has and he's just a raw talent. We

2250
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,640
Speaker 2: can put the ball on the floor. Eighteen and a

2251
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 2: half points per game last year especially no scoot this year.

2252
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 2: There is a ton of shots to be Yeah.

2253
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I picked him for most Improved? Is

2254
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:22,719
Speaker 1: this year four for Sharp?

2255
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 2: Still raw?

2256
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Huh A little bit? Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm not big

2257
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 1: on Sharp No.

2258
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 2: Twenty two years old.

2259
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:34,400
Speaker 1: He's like like Cyclovine ceiling and I don't even think

2260
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 1: he gets there.

2261
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 2: We'll see.

2262
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 3: Sacramento Kings forty forty two. Last season, ninth in the

2263
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 3: Western Conference. They brought in Dennis Shrewder Kegan Murray hurt

2264
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:44,840
Speaker 3: to start the year. I guess they lost you on

2265
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:45,639
Speaker 3: his Felon Gunas.

2266
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Any Kings thoughts, Oh, such a sad time.

2267
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:54,600
Speaker 1: They can't stop anyone. I don't This scuff is to

2268
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: me is gonna be one of the worst defenses in

2269
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:59,879
Speaker 1: the league. So that's going to be an issue. Uh

2270
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 1: And how does that even like sort of bleed into

2271
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 1: the offense right when you're like, you know, the defense

2272
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: and stopping I want and gets let me be a

2273
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 1: little shot happy, little io heavy with the guys that

2274
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 1: can do it, obviously in Levine and de Rosen. I

2275
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 1: don't know how to feel about this team. I used

2276
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:17,280
Speaker 1: to be the biggest Kings fan in the They defeated me.

2277
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 1: Now I know what actual Kings fans feel like for

2278
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:23,600
Speaker 1: the last basically two plus decads. Like, you know, it

2279
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:25,679
Speaker 1: gets you excited a little bit and you talk yourself

2280
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 1: into it and then they just like rip your heart out.

2281
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The fact that they got smaller with Keegan

2282
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 2: Murray's injury does not bode well for their defense with

2283
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 2: Manta Simonis protecting the rim. They're teeny tiny, and I

2284
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 2: love my key on Alis out there as the dog defensively,

2285
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 2: but they don't have enough. They do not have enough defensively, so.

2286
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: They are teak points.

2287
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2288
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: Their peak is tier four here. Yeah, and it's just

2289
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 1: a question of do they actually decide to blow it up? Yeah?

2290
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 3: And is anybody interested in any of these longer contracts

2291
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 3: they have. I think I mentioned it earlier there in

2292
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 3: our season previews that DeRozan is like most likely to

2293
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 3: be traded. He's got a decent deal right now.

2294
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 1: He's like twenty five this year, twenty five next year,

2295
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 1: maybe twenty seven next year or something like that. But

2296
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: a player who could be acquired I think for a.

2297
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:17,639
Speaker 3: Contending team, yeah, and then who knows after that? But uh, yeah,

2298
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:19,280
Speaker 3: I think it's fine to put them into play in

2299
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 3: hopefuls like they they are not gonna want to be

2300
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 3: bad just because they never want to be bad. They

2301
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 3: just want to be mediocre gobuls.

2302
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,080
Speaker 1: So that's what I see with the King. Yeah, go Buls,

2303
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:31,719
Speaker 1: Go boles.

2304
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 3: San Antonio Spurs big time team to talk about here.

2305
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 3: Thirty four and forty eight last season, thirteenth in the

2306
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 3: Western Conference. That's with only what forty six games for

2307
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 3: Victor and seventeen for Darren Fox. They drafted Dylan Harper,

2308
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:47,760
Speaker 3: number two. You look pretty solid in the preseason so far.

2309
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 3: They also drafted Carter Bryant and brought in Luke Cornett,

2310
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 3: who had a great clip alongside Wenby. Flex and his

2311
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 3: muscles got Wenby to laugh on the court.

2312
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,879
Speaker 1: Good for vibes, Good for vibes. That guy's a great vibesman.

2313
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:03,799
Speaker 2: That's sort of the French vanilla nickname is. But somebody

2314
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:07,360
Speaker 2: recommended on our YouTube page. I'm sorry, I don't remember

2315
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 2: who made that reference, but he said, what about French

2316
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:17,240
Speaker 2: horn because Cornett is a brass instrument French horn. That's fun,

2317
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 2: French vanilla fun. This team should be fun. But how

2318
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 2: many games are they going to win? I worry about

2319
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:24,560
Speaker 2: the guard play. There's no doubt you do.

2320
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Castle, Rookie of the Year, Harper looking strong, Yes,

2321
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:30,000
Speaker 1: looks really good.

2322
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll lot beyond Harper. I think there are two

2323
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 2: different guys Castle you want as a sort of secondary playmaker,

2324
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 2: not as a main ball handler, but Dylan Harper well

2325
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 2: him and Fox who is injured. I mean we have

2326
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:43,479
Speaker 2: to have to say that, when is he coming back?

2327
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 2: How healthy will that hamstring be? I think he is one, finally,

2328
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 2: one guy we can say his sort of injury. Brown.

2329
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't like saying that about the guy because maybe

2330
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:54,560
Speaker 2: he's just healthy. Again. I said it in the preseason,

2331
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 2: even though he had a hamstring injury. He said he

2332
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 2: was running fifteen miles per hour on the treadmill.

2333
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: That's fast, and the Spur.

2334
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 2: And the Spurs are just saying, listen, we got a

2335
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:07,959
Speaker 2: regular seat to worry about. Fox, get off the treadmill,

2336
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:13,599
Speaker 2: don't run. We'll see you there. So I do worry

2337
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 2: about about their health because even though they've got some wing,

2338
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:21,559
Speaker 2: some wing depth, you know, throw it in a quotation,

2339
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 2: mark depth. I'm not sure how great it's gonna be

2340
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 2: around Wemby TVD.

2341
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 1: But this really comes down to Wemby in all honesty, like,

2342
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 1: is this guy already gonna be top seven, five wherever

2343
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:36,719
Speaker 1: in the league if he has a healthy full season.

2344
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,880
Speaker 1: Here he's in his third year. I think it was

2345
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:43,679
Speaker 1: Simmons going through all the like greats at the center position,

2346
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:46,400
Speaker 1: a lot of them. You know, you're going through your

2347
01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:48,559
Speaker 1: Kareems and your shacks and stuff like that. That third

2348
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 1: year that's when they explode and have teams like winning

2349
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 1: a ton of games into playoff series if not going deeper.

2350
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: And is Wemby just added to that list as he

2351
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 1: just keeps growing and growing and growing. He's now dunking

2352
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 1: the feet on the ground. I know you saw that, Clothe.

2353
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so he's just making his playoff debut here

2354
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 1: in your three. It could be.

2355
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 2: I think he does.

2356
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: You think he does via the play in Okay.

2357
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 3: Here like a seven to twelve kind of team, but

2358
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 3: they can win a play in game and then make

2359
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 3: it into the playoffs, which I think would be awesome

2360
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:28,080
Speaker 3: to see. Basically, the question is like, can he be

2361
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 3: for the Bucks what Yannis was the or for the

2362
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 3: Spurs what Jannis was for the Bucks last year?

2363
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 1: Like Jannis did have Dame alongside him.

2364
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 3: You know, I think Dame Lillard higher rep than d

2365
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 3: Aaron Fox, but you know, same sort of setup. It's

2366
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 3: like question marks basically everywhere else. But we got a

2367
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 3: great big man, we got a great guard as well.

2368
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 3: Is Wemby as a top five player able to lift

2369
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 3: them to the top six of the Western Conference? I

2370
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:53,880
Speaker 3: think that's asking a lot, just because the conference is

2371
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 3: so deep, But I think they'll improve and as long

2372
01:52:56,040 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 3: as Wemby is able to play seventy games, like, are

2373
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 3: going to be five hundred dish at the very least?

2374
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean they're over under. It

2375
01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:07,880
Speaker 1: was like forty three and a half and a lot

2376
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 1: of us were like we were debating, like do you

2377
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:10,679
Speaker 1: just go under and do you just go over? Because

2378
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:12,120
Speaker 1: it feels like they're going to be in that ballpark.

2379
01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:14,640
Speaker 1: Would you have them above the Portland Trailblazers.

2380
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 2: Oh?

2381
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Would you have them above the Memphis Grizzlies. Yes.

2382
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:19,600
Speaker 1: I was going to say, if we're putting them in

2383
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 1: that fourth tier, the play in tier, I would put

2384
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: him at the top of it. Would you have them

2385
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 1: above the Dallas Mavericks Not I No, I don't know either.

2386
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:32,759
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we could.

2387
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:34,519
Speaker 1: Mate oh, we could be made to look very silly

2388
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:37,720
Speaker 1: with this, says it's the Wemby factor for sure. I

2389
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 1: hope we're wrong. You know who wouldn't want to see

2390
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 1: him go nuts? Yeah? Yeah, because like you said, that

2391
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 1: he plays. They are a top ten defense and the

2392
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 1: minimum basically probably better. No, I said they were a

2393
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 1: top five defense, and somebody tweeted at me. Feel sad,

2394
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 1: Well what happened? Yeah you were wrong. Yeah, they're only

2395
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 1: a top ten defense. My bad. Well okay, sorry, Hey,

2396
01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 1: don't be so hard on yourself. I'm not so teflon.

2397
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: What is it? Space age? Space age.

2398
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 2: Myself.

2399
01:54:05,439 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 3: I hate to see an angry tweet from a listener

2400
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:10,800
Speaker 3: just calling me out, and even more so, I hate

2401
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 3: to see that person be.

2402
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:17,800
Speaker 1: Right, be wrong. That's the real kicker. Anyway, that's okay.

2403
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:20,200
Speaker 1: They'll be tough, okay, playing hopefuls, but at the top

2404
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 1: of that tear okay, okay, that's a thick tier.

2405
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, thick tier, and well, come on, Fox will pull

2406
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 2: us out of it. I know it's all about Wenby,

2407
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 2: but he needs a guard to help him. He does,

2408
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:33,160
Speaker 2: and Fox will do that.

2409
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 3: The Toronto Raptors finished thirty and fifty two. Last season

2410
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 3: eleventh in the Eastern Conference. Their main additions are Brandon Ingram,

2411
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 3: who they traded for last year but didn't play. He

2412
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 3: will be playing this year. They also brought in Mamu

2413
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 3: and Colin Murray Boyles. How are you guys feeling about

2414
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 3: your Toronto Rappers?

2415
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 1: Oh? Boy, oh boy, I don't I don't know, man,

2416
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 1: I usually put no stock into the preseason. Haven't loved

2417
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 1: what I've seen from Scottie Barnes in the preseason. The

2418
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 1: MIDI my, I'll say that, I don't love that. But

2419
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 1: how do Ingram and Scottie Barnes's gel together? Is Darko

2420
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 1: a good coach because there's expectations for this team. They

2421
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 1: pay a lot of money for a team that's I

2422
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:14,839
Speaker 1: think their goal has to be at least five hundred

2423
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:18,960
Speaker 1: like with them again the amount of money they throw

2424
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 1: at these guys. So I am playing hopeful.

2425
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:25,760
Speaker 2: How baud has Scotty been in the preseason?

2426
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 1: Shot selections been abysmal? Yeah, again, he might just be

2427
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 1: going through the motions I don't love to see. I mean,

2428
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be doing that. I think you can do

2429
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 1: that when you're maybe Luca and Sga and and sort

2430
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 1: of that tier of guys that just has been great.

2431
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:44,879
Speaker 2: That's surprising because his shot selection should be entirely different

2432
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:47,280
Speaker 2: playing with the guy who's going to lead to the

2433
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:50,760
Speaker 2: team in scoring with in Brandon Ingram. He doesn't have

2434
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 2: to do the same things anymore with quickly healthy. I

2435
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 2: don't know how many minutes they're playing together, although they

2436
01:55:56,440 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 2: have been playing together since September, So this isle bit worrisome.

2437
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:04,480
Speaker 2: That's a little bit worris. I haven't watched Raptors preseason games,

2438
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 2: so tbd. I feel like I feel like I'm on paper.

2439
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 2: We got a team. Yes, they should lock into the

2440
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 2: playoff hopes, but at some point they should be a

2441
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,040
Speaker 2: playoff lock if they are all together. But I can't

2442
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 2: put them there. They can't put the thing.

2443
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 3: Better than the Bulls yeah for me, yes, better than

2444
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 3: the seventy six ers for me, yes, better than the Pacers,

2445
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 3: current Pacers.

2446
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, their old friend pass Galciak. Yes, I think they are.

2447
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 2: I think they are. I think they are better than

2448
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 2: the Celtics. I's worry wowy.

2449
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:52,280
Speaker 1: So no, yeah, yeah, they're playing hopeful.

2450
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:56,560
Speaker 3: Scottie Barnes is the next Aaron Gordon. He is miscast

2451
01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 3: in his current he needs to go to a good

2452
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 3: team and be the third or fourth guy, not a

2453
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 3: top two option. He just doesn't have. He has more

2454
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:07,200
Speaker 3: of an additive game than a leader game. I think, yeah, yeah,

2455
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 3: take a layup man, get to the rim. Just big

2456
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 3: and strong, crazy long arms, and all he wants to

2457
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 3: do is shoot fifteen footers.

2458
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:14,720
Speaker 1: You're not Kawhi.

2459
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the worrisome part. Even though I haven't

2460
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:21,120
Speaker 2: watched a minute of these preseason games, that has been

2461
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 2: the talk from Darko Riakovic. It's been get in there,

2462
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:28,720
Speaker 2: get and cut in. Your Ducans are going to be there.

2463
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 2: You're gonna be there on the baseline, your dunker spot,

2464
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna be playing off Ingram a lot. So that's

2465
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:38,320
Speaker 2: the worriest part because even though he is, yes, one

2466
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 2: a guy on this team, he's not the leading scorer

2467
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 2: anymore and quickly should be a guy who should be

2468
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:45,520
Speaker 2: shooting a ton. So, yes, he's important on this team,

2469
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 2: but he should be taken way fewer shots and be

2470
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 2: happy with it and good at it.

2471
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:51,960
Speaker 1: And he has been talking about that. That's why it's

2472
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:52,520
Speaker 1: hard to.

2473
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 2: Be a little negative about it, because the guy's good

2474
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:59,640
Speaker 2: enough to be a help guy, there's no doubt, and

2475
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:01,760
Speaker 2: he's talking about playing defense more and that's going to

2476
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 2: help him and not having to be the guy who

2477
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 2: shoots all the time. So here we are.

2478
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:08,800
Speaker 1: There are positives with this team. They ended strong on

2479
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 1: the defensive end last year. They should be a decent

2480
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,760
Speaker 1: defensive team. And I am excited for a Brandon Ingram

2481
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 1: sort of bounce back type season. I think he's going

2482
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 1: to remind a lot of people like, oh yeah, he

2483
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 1: is really good and he's going to be in that

2484
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:23,360
Speaker 1: lead role. Scotty hopefully slots into the second, maybe even

2485
01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 1: third at times with Quickly, who's looked really good in

2486
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:28,480
Speaker 1: preseason will I will add he's firing up threes and

2487
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:32,440
Speaker 1: hitting a decent amount. So they're just they're just not

2488
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:35,440
Speaker 1: a playoffs lock. But you got into that right spot,

2489
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:37,440
Speaker 1: like are they better than the Heat? Are they better

2490
01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 1: than the Celtics without Tatum? Like they're right there, they

2491
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:42,480
Speaker 1: should be right there.

2492
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 2: They should be.

2493
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:47,720
Speaker 1: But we'll see our final two teams, the US and

2494
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 1: the W's. The Utah Jazz seventeen and sixty five last season,

2495
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,640
Speaker 1: fifteenth in the Western Conference. They got all these slow

2496
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 1: old guys we've been talking about and that's kind of

2497
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:00,640
Speaker 1: all they did during the offseason outside of drafting Bailey.

2498
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:03,600
Speaker 1: We did get some inside information from a Jazz source

2499
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 1: who says the person coming in last and all of

2500
01:59:06,720 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 1: their sprint races right now is Kyle Philipowski. But but

2501
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:13,360
Speaker 1: he's a little banged up. Is he's banged up now?

2502
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 1: He's got a bad foot, but not a lot of

2503
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:17,480
Speaker 1: speed on this.

2504
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:19,919
Speaker 2: Tatting him sprint.

2505
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:23,480
Speaker 1: You got to get his foot up to speed. As

2506
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 1: soon as you can beat George in a race you

2507
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:29,120
Speaker 1: can play. I don't even think has been racing here.

2508
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,360
Speaker 1: Maybe Nurk just killing it. Who knows, Hey, Bryce sends

2509
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 1: the ball looks good in preseason. Guy's a bucket. He's

2510
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 1: a bucket. But it's Bryce is a bucket man, he is,

2511
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:39,240
Speaker 1: at least in preseason.

2512
01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:41,600
Speaker 3: I think I just saw that he's got bad knees

2513
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:44,000
Speaker 3: going on right now, probably from carrying the team in

2514
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:48,280
Speaker 3: the pres Oh East Bailey is Yeah, maybe just because

2515
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 3: he's playing on a whole bunch.

2516
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2517
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't love to hear that though, he's to see

2518
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:57,200
Speaker 1: perhaps okay, okay, I saw there's gonna be a bad

2519
01:59:57,240 --> 02:00:02,240
Speaker 1: team there, dust Boy, a nut dusting team. Here now

2520
02:00:03,480 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 1: like they oh, they're twenty twenty six first round pick

2521
02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:10,720
Speaker 1: to the Thunder, which dates back to the twenty twenty

2522
02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:15,080
Speaker 1: two trade that dumped Derek Favors salary on okay see,

2523
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:18,040
Speaker 1: But the pick only conveys if it falls outside the

2524
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:21,920
Speaker 1: top eight. So the Jazz just gotta be you know,

2525
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:24,280
Speaker 1: if they're if they're basically one of the one of

2526
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 1: the worst four teams in the league, then they're good.

2527
02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:28,920
Speaker 1: You can't fall out of that, you know, even even

2528
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:32,480
Speaker 1: if the lottery odds were brutal for you. So they're

2529
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna keep that pick and it basically safe to it

2530
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:40,560
Speaker 1: basically dissipates. I wrote in my notes, how exciting will

2531
02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:43,400
Speaker 1: Ace Bailey be? Like how many games will he make

2532
02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 1: me watch of the Jazz? Because you know, like there's

2533
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of basketball to watch here in regular set yep,

2534
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:50,560
Speaker 1: And it's just the Jazz are going to be low

2535
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 1: on the list. I'm sorry when it comes to league

2536
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:54,080
Speaker 1: pass games, I'm not gonna be on national novice games

2537
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 1: a lot so, but but Ace Bailey, especially in the season,

2538
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:59,360
Speaker 1: maybe can get me tuning in to see it. But

2539
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:01,720
Speaker 1: probably a lot of highlights for the Jazz. If I'm

2540
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:03,640
Speaker 1: being honest of him.

2541
02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:07,720
Speaker 3: Beautiful jerseys fully gone in on the mountains and they

2542
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 3: look great.

2543
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the biggest upgrade of the off season.

2544
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:15,320
Speaker 2: And the logos they just go to that one more primarily, right,

2545
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:16,800
Speaker 2: like the simple purple and white.

2546
02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's their primary now.

2547
02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2548
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, last year it was black.

2549
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:23,200
Speaker 2: It was black. Cool, great move there.

2550
02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:26,000
Speaker 1: I also read it was Sarah Todd of The Desert News.

2551
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:29,440
Speaker 1: She reported in March that the Jazz quote did not

2552
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:32,280
Speaker 1: view last season as the third year of a rebuild,

2553
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:36,960
Speaker 1: but rather as part of a teardown for a rebuild

2554
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:40,480
Speaker 1: that hasn't yet started. Okay, that was last year. So

2555
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:43,160
Speaker 1: we are now in theory in rebuild because they did

2556
02:01:43,160 --> 02:01:46,200
Speaker 1: trade a bunch of guys I guess in the Jazz

2557
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:50,400
Speaker 1: front offices, defense of Collins, you're out of here and

2558
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So that's how they're looking at this.

2559
02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:54,880
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. So the rebuild starts now, rebuilt

2560
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:59,040
Speaker 1: starts now. Okay, great, So will they win more games

2561
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 1: than last year? Seventeen? I said, yes, Okay, yeah, I

2562
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:05,120
Speaker 1: think I said, I.

2563
02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:07,480
Speaker 2: Think you're right. Ye, they're over under was low right,

2564
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:11,360
Speaker 2: like eighteen and a yeah in the last four teams

2565
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:12,880
Speaker 2: that have had an over under of eighteen and a

2566
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:15,240
Speaker 2: half or lower have gone over right, that's what that's

2567
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:19,040
Speaker 2: that was if they're into that kind of thing, better

2568
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:19,960
Speaker 2: or worse than the Nets?

2569
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,400
Speaker 1: Do you think worse?

2570
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2571
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:29,600
Speaker 3: Less wins worst, Yeah, exactly. Final team Washington Wizards eighteen

2572
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:32,440
Speaker 3: and sixty four last season, fifteenth in the East, twenty

2573
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 3: ninth in the NBA. They brought in CJ.

2574
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:39,800
Speaker 1: McCollum. He is a Washington Wizard. They also have Cam Whitmore.

2575
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:44,080
Speaker 1: They drafted Trey Johnson, who he is at least on

2576
02:02:44,120 --> 02:02:47,879
Speaker 1: our odds board the year third or fourth, and Will Riley.

2577
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:51,960
Speaker 1: They also drafted Canadian boy that's right, Yeah, Canadian Slash

2578
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:54,320
Speaker 1: played for University of Illinois. So we can all back them.

2579
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:58,800
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, okay is skinny. Yeah, they got a

2580
02:02:58,840 --> 02:03:01,040
Speaker 1: lot of young guys on this team. Any there. I

2581
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:03,480
Speaker 1: think we're slotting them into the final tier. It's probably

2582
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:05,880
Speaker 1: just where are we putting them. I think they'll be

2583
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:12,480
Speaker 1: better than the Nets and the Jazz personally, maybe that's crazy.

2584
02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:15,200
Speaker 1: I got him up high, I got him right behind

2585
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:19,760
Speaker 1: the horn. Yeah. Just obviously this is a growing year

2586
02:03:19,800 --> 02:03:23,640
Speaker 1: here and figuring out of all these young guys. Who's

2587
02:03:23,680 --> 02:03:25,320
Speaker 1: the building blocks. Who's it going to be at the

2588
02:03:25,400 --> 02:03:27,120
Speaker 1: end of the year. Who do we look back on

2589
02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:29,040
Speaker 1: and say, oh, this is the guy for the Jets

2590
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:31,800
Speaker 1: or for the Wizards. Yeah, it's a great question because

2591
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 1: it could be Cool of Bali. It could be Alex Saarr,

2592
02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:38,000
Speaker 1: it could be bub Carrington, it could be Trey Johnson

2593
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:41,880
Speaker 1: comes in as the rook and shines. Keishaan George does

2594
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:44,760
Speaker 1: look good. I think there's something there. I don't think

2595
02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:46,480
Speaker 1: he's maybe a superstar potential, but he's going to be

2596
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:48,560
Speaker 1: a good role player. Who else?

2597
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:53,560
Speaker 2: I forget he named all the guys that Yeah, yeah,

2598
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:57,200
Speaker 2: Cam w play more. Who knows he should play more?

2599
02:03:57,240 --> 02:03:59,440
Speaker 2: He should anybody did last year with the Rockets, for sure,

2600
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:02,840
Speaker 2: But I can't at them higher than the Nets. Wow, No,

2601
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 2: because all those guys you just said, could they take

2602
02:04:05,120 --> 02:04:06,840
Speaker 2: the next step? But they also may not take the

2603
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:07,320
Speaker 2: next step.

2604
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:07,800
Speaker 1: For sure.

2605
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:11,320
Speaker 2: The Nets have guys, but anyway, throw them where you want.

2606
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:11,760
Speaker 2: They're in.

2607
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:15,960
Speaker 1: It might be an option for one of us. Yeah,

2608
02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, from the end of the season, it looks

2609
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:20,120
Speaker 1: like the three teams we have at the bottom of

2610
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:23,640
Speaker 1: our tier ranking are probably our nut dust teams right

2611
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:25,640
Speaker 1: in the Wizards, the Nets and the Jazz. Was that

2612
02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:28,320
Speaker 1: who we had last year? Hornets? Was? No, somebody had

2613
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:30,520
Speaker 1: got in on the Hornets yea, yeah, because the Nuts

2614
02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:33,240
Speaker 1: had quite a few wins, actually twenty six wins last season,

2615
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:35,840
Speaker 1: because they got so many at the beginning, and somebody

2616
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 1: also changed teams. Test I did Yeah, yeah, we like

2617
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:43,640
Speaker 1: did all a quick redraft at some point. Anyway, Uh,

2618
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:46,080
Speaker 1: do you have your eye on any of those nut

2619
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 1: dust teams tests that you would like to back to

2620
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:52,760
Speaker 1: not be the worst of the wiz Nets Jazz.

2621
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:54,400
Speaker 2: I thought you'd never ask.

2622
02:04:56,400 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 1: It only took me two hours and whoa, whoa felt chunky.

2623
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:04,480
Speaker 1: But hey, Dorry, it's not a part one. Yeah, basketball

2624
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 1: is my favorite sport.

2625
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:10,120
Speaker 2: Can't wait. I'm picking the Nets to stay away from

2626
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:12,760
Speaker 2: that being the nut duster of them all.

2627
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trey, who do you who? Actually?

2628
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:14,960
Speaker 2: I agree?

2629
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,880
Speaker 1: Who do you want? Who do I want? Yeah? I

2630
02:05:18,040 --> 02:05:19,120
Speaker 1: past has taken the Nets.

2631
02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:22,000
Speaker 2: We're picking him now. Yeah, sure, I'll take the Wizards.

2632
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:23,000
Speaker 2: I had the Jazz last year.

2633
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:25,720
Speaker 1: Damn it, I don't want the Jazz. Oh I was

2634
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:27,600
Speaker 1: hoping you didn't want the Wizards. Okay, okay, we'll figure

2635
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:29,640
Speaker 1: out it's Ace Bailey. Man, I'll have you tuning in.

2636
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:33,400
Speaker 1: You'll be watching these early sees. God damn said that.

2637
02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:41,240
Speaker 1: Ace Bailey Man, Ace Bailey versus Trey Johnson epic duel. Yeah,

2638
02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:44,000
Speaker 1: right now, I'm gonna just to spite you. I'm coming

2639
02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 1: in one of these shows. No two games, no no,

2640
02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:49,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna say one little jazz game early in

2641
02:05:49,480 --> 02:05:51,919
Speaker 1: the year, and I'm doing twenty minutes on the podcast

2642
02:05:52,160 --> 02:05:53,800
Speaker 1: and you just got to sit there and take it.

2643
02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:54,000
Speaker 2: Man.

2644
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:54,920
Speaker 1: Jazz Report.

2645
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 3: We're going through one through fifteen here, how did use

2646
02:05:58,520 --> 02:05:59,080
Speaker 3: of Nurkic?

2647
02:05:59,200 --> 02:05:59,360
Speaker 2: Look?

2648
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 1: Was he fast? Sure than Kyle Philipowski. Tune in to

2649
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:04,080
Speaker 1: find out, Jada need you to get a nice little

2650
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:07,920
Speaker 1: like little jazz sound effect for the Jazz Report because

2651
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:09,160
Speaker 1: we're going hard on the Jazz.

2652
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, played the Spurs. There's a French horn. French corn there,

2653
02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:17,800
Speaker 2: tie in there.

2654
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:22,200
Speaker 1: French corn. Yeah, nothing wrong with French vanilla. Just just okay,

2655
02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:24,840
Speaker 1: that's fine. French horn is a cool instrument though, Yeah,

2656
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:26,840
Speaker 1: it is cool. French just stick your hand in it,

2657
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, like French vanila. You were about to say

2658
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:33,600
Speaker 1: it sucks, I was, yeah, yeah, but I like going

2659
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:36,240
Speaker 1: with French vanilla for this show, because that then completes

2660
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:39,920
Speaker 1: the trifecta of basically beverage sort of puns or nicknames

2661
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:43,360
Speaker 1: we made. We had the Tommy Beer, Tommy beer, the

2662
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:45,880
Speaker 1: French vanilla as a beverage, and I'm drawing a blank

2663
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:46,800
Speaker 1: on the other one already.

2664
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:47,240
Speaker 2: Damn it.

2665
02:06:47,240 --> 02:06:50,280
Speaker 1: There was oh, mere coffee, you said, mere coffee, cup

2666
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:56,120
Speaker 1: of coffee. Yes, delicious and delightful. All right, throw this up,

2667
02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 1: let's see it. Let's just go over it. How do

2668
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:00,520
Speaker 1: we feel about it now that we got all our teams,

2669
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:03,240
Speaker 1: all thirty teams in our tiers? Any change of Ruskies

2670
02:07:03,320 --> 02:07:04,880
Speaker 1: to make here? You want to read them out for

2671
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:05,560
Speaker 1: the podcast list?

2672
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:10,839
Speaker 3: Well, in our tier one, the title contenders, we go Thunder, Nuggets, Nicks, Calves,

2673
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:17,880
Speaker 3: timber Wolves. Tier two we call them the Final four, Flirts, Rockets, Warriors, Magic. Honestly,

2674
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:20,840
Speaker 3: feel like there could be another team in there distribution wise.

2675
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:27,680
Speaker 3: Tier three Playoff Locks, Clippers, Lakers, Hawks, Pistons, Mavericks, Bucks.

2676
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:30,080
Speaker 1: It's probably our weirdest tier, if I'm being honest, So

2677
02:07:30,120 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 1: weird tier. It's like we feel like we're either killing

2678
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:35,640
Speaker 1: it and we're like perfect on it, or we're way

2679
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:38,480
Speaker 1: off yeah, I don't know, playing hopefuls. This is a

2680
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:40,440
Speaker 1: this is a lot. Yeah.

2681
02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:41,680
Speaker 2: How many teams are in here?

2682
02:07:42,240 --> 02:07:44,120
Speaker 1: Fifteen teams? Wow?

2683
02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:45,640
Speaker 2: Twelve? Wow?

2684
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:57,040
Speaker 1: Okay? Tier four, Spurs, Grizzlies, Heat, Celtics, Raptors, Pacers, Sixers, Blazers, Bowls, Suns, Kings, Pelicans.

2685
02:07:56,520 --> 02:07:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2686
02:07:57,800 --> 02:08:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, it's like everybody's zero zero, right,

2687
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 1: we're optimistic, eyes on the prize of the play in

2688
02:08:04,280 --> 02:08:08,240
Speaker 1: twelve twelve, playing hopeful teams and like, that's right, you're

2689
02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:11,680
Speaker 1: talking about seven through twelve in both conferences. Yeah, I

2690
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:14,120
Speaker 1: mean adds up. Yeah, I think maybe. Yeah, I was

2691
02:08:14,120 --> 02:08:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna say yeah, yeah, I mean obviously some team there

2692
02:08:17,160 --> 02:08:19,839
Speaker 1: in that group is going to be ravaged by injuries,

2693
02:08:20,120 --> 02:08:21,960
Speaker 1: are going to lean into a rebuild. They're going to

2694
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:25,040
Speaker 1: trade away somebody, like probably three teams in that mix.

2695
02:08:25,720 --> 02:08:27,480
Speaker 1: And some of those banged up teams coming in beat

2696
02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:29,160
Speaker 1: the Celtics and Pacers, like we think they're going to

2697
02:08:29,200 --> 02:08:30,960
Speaker 1: be average still, but maybe they will. Maybe they're not

2698
02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:36,480
Speaker 1: bottom tier Tier five, the nut Dusters, Goes, Hornets, Nets, Wizards, Jazz.

2699
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:41,960
Speaker 1: There you go, of all the fan bases. After we've

2700
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:47,720
Speaker 1: ranked these who's going to be the most upset Raptors up.

2701
02:08:47,960 --> 02:08:50,720
Speaker 1: Well they're they're not a playoff team. Did you see

2702
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:55,600
Speaker 1: brandon ingram sear to midrange jumper? Yeah? Just looking here.

2703
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:57,920
Speaker 1: We got the Knicks, the Calves, we got the Magic,

2704
02:08:58,240 --> 02:09:00,760
Speaker 1: the Hawks, the Pistons, and the Bucks. So we do

2705
02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:05,240
Speaker 1: have six Eastern Conference call them locks to get into

2706
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:08,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And then it's like anything could go with

2707
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:11,360
Speaker 1: your Heat and your Celtics and your Pacers and your Raptors,

2708
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,720
Speaker 1: and look maybe Rockets fans are like, look we should

2709
02:09:13,720 --> 02:09:17,760
Speaker 1: be title contenders. Yeah, yeah, they might be. They got

2710
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:22,480
Speaker 1: strong fans, like physically strong an you think has the

2711
02:09:22,520 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 1: strongest fan base just straight up if they all fought

2712
02:09:26,440 --> 02:09:29,640
Speaker 1: and not pure numbers. So it's like you picked the

2713
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:33,880
Speaker 1: ninety nine most strongest fans from a fan base and

2714
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:36,600
Speaker 1: have them fight. We should do this video. It was

2715
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:38,440
Speaker 1: would get millions of views on YouTube.

2716
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:45,720
Speaker 3: Miami Heat, Oh wow, strong beach culture. Maybe it's just

2717
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:46,840
Speaker 3: glamour muscles.

2718
02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:50,200
Speaker 1: Don't I was gonna go, uh sort of Middle America. Okay,

2719
02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:53,480
Speaker 1: maybe like maybe maybe, okay, see oh.

2720
02:09:53,400 --> 02:09:55,560
Speaker 3: I like sure, yeah, Well it's just like I'm going

2721
02:09:55,680 --> 02:09:59,840
Speaker 3: like Bucks have the cheese factor and the Pacers have

2722
02:09:59,920 --> 02:10:00,880
Speaker 3: the corn fed factor.

2723
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm taking the Boston Celtics. Oh beans, factor means means

2724
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 2: and just attitude. I just want to hear that accent, like,

2725
02:10:10,160 --> 02:10:13,080
Speaker 2: how do you fight with somebody? I'm pucking here, No,

2726
02:10:13,200 --> 02:10:14,120
Speaker 2: not here.

2727
02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:16,400
Speaker 1: The Knicks fan base too, I mean they have a

2728
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:21,120
Speaker 1: loud bark at least for sure. All right, answer that question,

2729
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:31,480
Speaker 1: physically strongest fan base. Who's the weakest fan base? Warriors?

2730
02:10:32,160 --> 02:10:34,520
Speaker 1: No offense, No offense to my Warriors fan.

2731
02:10:35,480 --> 02:10:38,800
Speaker 2: So what's the reasoning? Tech bros there?

2732
02:10:38,840 --> 02:10:43,840
Speaker 1: Tech bros love bit Okay, let's call it there. It

2733
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:50,880
Speaker 1: might be Magic Orlando. Yeah, retirees. Oh oh wow wow yeah, maybe.

2734
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:55,560
Speaker 2: Stage pure h that's a good point.

2735
02:10:56,120 --> 02:11:05,560
Speaker 1: What about the Raptors it's too kind and hockey culture

2736
02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:09,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, right, that's a good point. And the trough

2737
02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:12,160
Speaker 1: fan base does love any sort of like scrappy Raptors player,

2738
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:16,280
Speaker 1: like your junkyard Dogs of the World, Matt. Yeah, just

2739
02:11:16,280 --> 02:11:19,520
Speaker 1: anyone that sort of replicates a hockey player like that's

2740
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:28,080
Speaker 1: our guy Travers. Okay, uh, that's it. Wow, extended the

2741
02:11:28,120 --> 02:11:30,640
Speaker 1: longest podcast we've ever done. But hey, a lot of

2742
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:32,600
Speaker 1: teams to rank, a lot of debates we had.

2743
02:11:33,320 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 3: We didn't even get to the Guangdong Lions or the

2744
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:39,520
Speaker 3: South Melbourne Phoenix teams that are out pacing the Knicks.

2745
02:11:39,520 --> 02:11:42,520
Speaker 1: Where would you have them. I think they're nut dusters. Yeah,

2746
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:45,240
Speaker 1: they're in the sixth tier for being honest. Our next

2747
02:11:45,240 --> 02:11:49,000
Speaker 1: podcast Friday, well, we're going to answer some burning questions.

2748
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:50,640
Speaker 1: So maybe you have a question that you want us

2749
02:11:50,680 --> 02:11:53,840
Speaker 1: to address. We're not doing beach step in. We're just talking,

2750
02:11:54,040 --> 02:11:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of big picture questions when it

2751
02:11:56,160 --> 02:11:58,680
Speaker 1: comes to the actual upcoming season. But that's Friday, so

2752
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:00,440
Speaker 1: we're back then, so you have all the time in

2753
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:04,400
Speaker 1: the world to digest this very long podcast here. Yes

2754
02:12:04,440 --> 02:12:06,960
Speaker 1: you're not joining us live. It's all your podcast listeners.

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Speaker 1: Space it out, take your time, and we'll be back

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Speaker 1: on Friday morning. Till then, Clipper bros. You heard it

2757
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Speaker 1: here first, have a great time, turn up, love you

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Speaker 1: guys awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, and remember, let us know what

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Speaker 2: you think of French Horn versus French Vanilla for the

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Speaker 2: nickname for Wemby and Luke Cornett's both great.

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Speaker 1: Praise the de people