1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: It's an exciting night. There's so many stars outside, there's 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: so much good food outside. Bob and I can't wait 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: to get out there. But right now, we cannot wait 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: to talk to Jonathan from the previous season. 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 3: Of The Bachelor at Gentran season. I call him Jiggity j. 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was just trying to get to 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: that and I couldn't remember what he calls him, jiggy j. 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: You call yourself a little bit, a little bit everyone else. 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: I call him jiggy Jay, and he adopted that as 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 3: his bondy. 13 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: What does it come from? 14 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 4: In my defense, I didn't make it my Instagram handle, 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 4: but I don't refer to myself as Jiggity John. 16 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 5: And I didn't come up with childhood did. 17 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 4: There was just like a random morning we're I think 18 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: we're on vacation somewhere, and he came in after a 19 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 4: night of drinking and I was like, I was just 20 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 4: saying some some bs and he was just like, shut up, 21 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 4: Jiggity out of nowhere, just literally out of nowhere. 22 00:00:54,320 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 6: And I went the old school bombed diggity right, I mean, yeah, 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 6: you wouldn't have known that side, all right, So no 24 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 6: jiggity uh here tonight and we. 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: Talk about your life post show. You've been up to 26 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: a lot. 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 5: Obviously. 28 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 2: My co host who's not here tonight, Ashley, absolutely loved 29 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: she picked you as her He picked you, and then 30 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: we've been covering every headline you make and to. 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: Pick you as well as she. Yeah, actually I think 32 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: she tries to pick you as well. 33 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: But the show never picked you as a bachelor, and 34 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: so my first question was is that disappointing? 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 4: It's hard now that I've had more time to think 36 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 4: on it, but I never had any expectation of it. 37 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 4: You know, I went on with just an open mind 38 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 4: and like an open art. I was like, this is 39 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 4: gonna be a fun opportunity, and if I happened to 40 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 4: find my person on here, cool, like awesome. There was 41 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: no expectation of anything after the fact. 42 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: So did you feel like you've found your person though? 43 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: Did you feel like Jen was your person? 44 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I think in the moment, yes, you know, 45 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: you're kind of shut off from reality. You have you, 46 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 4: and there's one other person to worry about because. 47 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: We got kind of sucked into it. At least twist 48 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: than I did. 49 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, we did a Dancing with the. 50 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: Star recap every week and we'd see you in the crowd. 51 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: We're like, oh my god, it's happening, Like he's there 52 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: supporting and is he gonna fight Sasha? 53 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: Who knows? 54 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: Like what's gonna happen? You know. 55 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: We were like making up our own the next like 56 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: Jake Paul. 57 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were so. 58 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 5: We were so even though we have no beef, I 59 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 5: think it would be hilarious because. 60 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: We thought you guys, like we thought that's why you 61 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: were there and you were supporting our as our friend. 62 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 5: Yeah one, And that was the only reason I wanted 63 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 5: to be there too. 64 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: You know. 65 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: She came to l A and initially on the show, 66 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 4: like one of the things that kind of stuck out 67 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 4: from us of not working out was distance. 68 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 5: She's like, I would never want to move to l A. 69 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 5: I don't like LA. And I was like, well, I'm 70 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 5: not going to Miami, like for obvious reasons. 71 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: Amo. Yeah, as Little Smith One said, it's Spanish, I 72 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: don't buddy, I speak I speak ESPN. 73 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 4: But then she gets here and she's like, oh my god, 74 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 4: I love La, but she doesn't have anybody, so I 75 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: was like, you know what, I I want to step 76 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 4: up and just be person. You know, you came off, 77 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 4: you went through a whirl end of and I was like, 78 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 4: I have enough like availability and like my heart to 79 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 4: like bring somebody else in and care for them, especially 80 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 4: if they don't have anybody. 81 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 5: So I just did my best to be there for 82 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 5: her and her that somebody like does care. 83 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: That that's very nice. 84 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 5: So I like that. 85 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, Trista loved like. So I wasn't as able because 86 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: I have a couple of little kids. I wasn't as 87 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 3: able to watch Gen season as I wanted to be. 88 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: I thought she was lovely. I thought you were definitely 89 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: a stand up person on the show. I was. I 90 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: was surprised, I will say, I was surprised that you 91 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: weren't the guy in the end. And I think that, 92 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: you know, obviously it didn't work out for Gen in 93 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: that regard, so that was kind of a bummer. Has 94 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: there been any thought of revisiting that relationship? I mean, 95 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: has there ever been you know, I mean it doesn't 96 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: have to be there. Has it been anything during dancing specifically? 97 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, not really. You know, it was very platonic friendship. 98 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: I didn't want to put any of that pressure on 99 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: her either, and I don't think she was in a 100 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 4: place for it at all. And we both understood what 101 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 4: we need to be there for each other for. You know, 102 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people like to. 103 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 5: Look for that. 104 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: I mean, that's why people watch The Bachelor. They want 105 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 4: that beauty of a romance. The people who still believe 106 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: in like that romantic love, that deep love. That's what 107 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: they watch because they still believe in it and they 108 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 4: want for that to happen. 109 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 5: It didn't work out. 110 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 4: With the first two guys, so they're like, all right, well, 111 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: who's the next best option, which, like, once I started 112 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: to think, I was like, that's kind of shitty, Like 113 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: I'm the next best option, which I didn't. 114 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 5: Like to think about. 115 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 4: As But like in that scenario, you know, we were 116 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 4: just platonic friends, and I think we both knew like, hey, 117 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: we're gonna have fun together, Like we're gonna make videos 118 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 4: together because people love to see it. And that's really it, 119 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 4: Like it wasn't anything more than that. 120 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: It brings me to ask, and we have to ask 121 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: because of what we do for a living here. Gin 122 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: season I think will go down as history tells it 123 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: as one of the oddest seasons of all time within 124 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation. Yeah, I think it was exciting. I think 125 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: people got into it. I think it ended in a 126 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: way that fans weren't thrilled about. And then it just 127 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: got weirder, like you know, the Devin blew himself up 128 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 2: thirty times post then it's wild. So I want to 129 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: hear from you your thoughts now as you look back 130 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: on this experience and being a friend platonic friend with 131 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: Jen yep, how do you make sense of all? Like, like, 132 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: what what do you make sense of? I guess in 133 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: the midst of this chaos? 134 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: Well, and I would ask this too, like were you 135 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: and Devin and I'm sorry that I don't know this, 136 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: were you guys friendly? Like would you consider him a friend? 137 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: And then watching how this whole thing unfolded, were you 138 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: like what the actual fing h is going on? Like, 139 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: I mean, were you kind of in the same ballpark 140 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: as the rest of us watching or were you kind 141 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: of like I get him? Yeah, you know, I'd like 142 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: to know that part too. Okay, the gen part first, though, 143 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 3: because I think that's the most important part. 144 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's a it's a long winded, 145 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 4: but I know we're working on a time crunch. Bring 146 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 4: it together a little bit. Wait, what was the gen 147 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: part specifically? 148 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: Well, I just think it's how do you make sense 149 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: of this whole thing? You just went through it? Mean, 150 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: it was your life, this was time is the most 151 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: valuable resource we have on Earth. You spent your time 152 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: on this thing, and now you look back and you go, 153 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: what was this all for? Because the whole thing got 154 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: weird real fast and kept getting weird posts, yeah, and 155 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 2: so like just overall, like what are your thoughts on 156 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: it all? 157 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 5: Honestly? 158 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 4: I mean, for me, I just on the show. After 159 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: the show, I stayed in my own lane, Like I 160 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: didn't get involved in any of the shit, none of 161 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 4: the drama. And that's just not me. Like I don't 162 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: walk into a room and try to big dick a 163 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 4: bunch of other guys because I just don't care. Like 164 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna live my life. I'm gonna do me, 165 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: and I'm confident enough in who I am what I 166 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 4: have to offer them. I'm just like somebody doesn't want that, 167 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 4: Like that's fine, somebody else will appreciate it, and that's cool. 168 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 5: So I never really thought I guess. 169 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 4: Maybe the way some of them did were like I'm 170 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 4: gonna be the best guy in this Sinnari, I'm gonna 171 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 4: win her over in this way and that way and whatever. 172 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: I was just like, okay, it's a bunch of noise. 173 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 4: Like you guys, do whatever it is that you think 174 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 4: you need to do to impress this girl. I'm just 175 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 4: gonna have fun with her and be me every time 176 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: we hang out, and that's gonna be my game plan. 177 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: And it worked out fine for me. So trying to 178 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 4: make sense of it, I didn't really need to make 179 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: sense of it because it did make sense. 180 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: It didn't affect you, It. 181 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: Didn't affect me at all, Like everybody else was on 182 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 4: their own whatever, and I had me at her and 183 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 4: then there was a bunch of noise trying to disrupt 184 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 4: what we had, but I just ignored it and it 185 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: was fine. Which is easier said than done. Great, No, 186 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 4: it's much easier said than done. You need to be 187 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: able to compartmentalize, but you know what you sign up 188 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 4: for when you get into it. Yeah, So when you 189 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: have that like understanding, you kind of just like get see. 190 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: I love that you said that, because I think sometimes 191 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: people don't remember what they signed up for. 192 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: Yep. 193 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: If you go on a show in this girl, this 194 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: gorgeous girl is dating twenty of your new buddies yep, 195 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: or thirty or whatever the hellth number is, and it's 196 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: like sometimes people get like so pissed off about that. 197 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: It's like, dude, what do you think? 198 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: What do you think? 199 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, we all know what we're here for. 200 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I would agree with that to a moment, and 201 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: then say, Bob, I don't know if you felt this way. 202 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: This is a huge chapter of my life. Jiggity over 203 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: here for Jiggity j because of this show and for 204 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: me the show, even though it's not influential as much 205 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: in my life now, it's still probably to this day 206 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: a top three most impactful moment in my life, and 207 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: so it's gonna be. 208 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: It's gonna be a top four once you have your child. 209 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: Child. 210 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: But even if I wanted to move on and do 211 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: my own thing, I necessarily can't because that experience as 212 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: a whole has still defined me and the people on 213 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: that season has still defined me, and people still come 214 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: up to me and say that season that you were 215 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: on I remember for this reason, resonate and That's where 216 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 2: my question was coming from. Was your season historically will 217 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: go down as one of the most not disappointed. I 218 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: don't want to use that word, but maybe maybe just 219 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: like sad seasons that I can ever remember in terms 220 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: of not only how it ended, but then transpired afterwards. Yeah, 221 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: and for you, Yes, this is going to be an 222 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: impactful moment in your life. You are a big part 223 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: of this season. Yeah, Instead does that anger you at all? 224 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 5: I think? 225 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: And this is the best part about playing my own 226 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 4: game during and after the show is that darkness never 227 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: consumed me. I was aware of it, and I saw 228 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 4: it and I lived in it, but it never like 229 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 4: took over my image and who I was and what 230 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 4: I was there to accomplish. And I think people saw 231 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 4: me as a light album because that was my goal. 232 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: Is a good thing to come exactly. 233 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 4: And I made that a very big point with me 234 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 4: and Jen two. I was like, I want to be 235 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: a breath of fresh air every time we hang out. 236 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 4: I don't want to trauma dump on you. I don't 237 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 4: want to put my issues on you. I want to 238 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 4: get to know you in a healthy way, in a 239 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 4: healthy manner. 240 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 5: And that's it. And that was post show too. After 241 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 5: all the things from Devin, just everything that had happened, 242 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: I was just. 243 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 4: Like, dude, I just want to be there for you, 244 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 4: and I want to be a positive light approach. 245 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, if you're gonna, if you're gonna 246 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: just focus on your personal relationship and you being you. Yeah, 247 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: it's actually pretty wid It's a very wise thing because 248 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: you still have to go home. Yeah, you can't be 249 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: this douchebag who just dumps on people and then goes 250 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 3: home and everyone thinks, oh, no, it's cool, we understand 251 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: you were playing a character on TV. No, it's still 252 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: called reality TV. It's still you. So at the end 253 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: of the day, you're not being fed lions. If you're 254 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 3: saying these things, there are still you, and you actually 255 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: handle yourself in a way that you guys are still friends. 256 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: I think it's a huge compliment to you, is that 257 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: you can still be friends with somebody who had such 258 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: a hard ending and you were a breath of fresh 259 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: air from that season for her in a friendship way. 260 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: And that's what Caitlin and I's relationship was when I 261 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: was on the ship on the batch, right, Like we're 262 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: still friends of this day and that's something that's meaningful 263 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: to me. My wife knows that, like Caitlin Bristow's friendship 264 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: with me is meaningful to me. It means wait in 265 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: my life because if anything else in that season, at 266 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: least she can look back and say I made a 267 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: friend through it. Yeah, my god, thirty dudes, I've made 268 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: one friend. 269 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be sitting in that exact same. 270 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 3: Day there. I mean, we are still friends. You know. 271 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: They even put me in a situation where I had 272 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: to host their bachelor and Bachelrette party and it was 273 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 3: they were it was all these producers sweeping in and 274 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, I remember the look on my face looking 275 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 3: just like I'm sorry. I don't even know why I'm 276 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: asking this series of questions I'm supposed to answer. It's 277 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: like crazy, But it's like we're still friends to this day. 278 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: So you can walk away with that, you know, you 279 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: can still have. 280 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: And I think years from now that will be really meaningful. 281 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: Now we have a short amount of time with you, 282 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: I think one really think unique thing that we want 283 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: to tap into with you is if we looked at 284 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: past seasons, Bachelor in Paradise would have always been something 285 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: that people like you would have not only gone on, 286 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: but fans would have flocked to cheering you on too. 287 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 2: We know that Bathe Room Paris is coming back at 288 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: some in some way, in some way we don't know 289 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: yet in what way that is? Uh, would you say 290 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: yes to it? Would be my first question. This is 291 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: a two parter, and does it excite you to say 292 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: yes to it or no to it? 293 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: Well? And I love that. And also because you have 294 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: watched other seasons, right, so you would know that there 295 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: could be potentially be some people that maybe you would 296 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: have interest in. 297 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: Yep, Is that is that? 298 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: Do you have? 299 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 5: I got a quick answer for both. Awesome, love it one. 300 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 5: I've already been asked and I said yes. 301 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: Excellent. 302 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: On the mental law, okay, when we went over like 303 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 4: my journey at the very end, Jesse told me onstage 304 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 4: and he's like, well, it's good to hear. 305 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. 306 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 4: There's this beach and everybody in my mind I was like, 307 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 4: I already did this. I want to say no, like beforehand, 308 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 4: I didn't know it was coming. And then everybody's like cheering. 309 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: I'm like, well shit, I gotta go now, so I go. 310 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 5: Yes. What scares me is I do. 311 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 4: Hear a lot of people saying people either go there 312 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 4: to destroy their image or make up for it. And 313 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: I'm like, I believe enough of myself and the decisions 314 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 4: I make that I don't think my image is going 315 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 4: to be destroyed when I go. You know, I'm going 316 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 4: to go in with the right intention in the right heart, 317 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 4: and hopefully it comes. 318 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: To go there and destroy their image or the people 319 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: that are the image, right, the people that go there, 320 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 3: like honestly, like, why would you go there? And if 321 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: you're if you're the nice guy. 322 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: Well, because you're not gonna go there, because he could 323 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: go to the beach and all of a sudden, four 324 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: women are all like jig oh, jiggity, yeah. 325 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 4: They better not call me jig, Like, what's up, jigs? 326 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure it would be great for the Instagram, 327 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 4: but like, but if. 328 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: They say johnthan I am so into you, and all 329 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: of a sudden, this poor guy is sitting in a 330 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: place where he can't win. 331 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 3: Oh, so you guys are saying, actually, they don't go 332 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: on there with the intention to destroy, they just have 333 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: they go on there and it does destroy exactly. 334 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 4: Because there's four and like you feel, let's I feel 335 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 4: like I'm very empathetic. I feel bad so like I 336 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 4: try to like give them all a chance, and one 337 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 4: of them would end up having a certain way to 338 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 4: feel about me giving the other girls a chance, and 339 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: that's the clippable ship they want. 340 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 5: When you you. 341 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: You had said something from your season when you said 342 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: you went on with a plan. So I think that 343 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: in of itself is like I didn't have any plan 344 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: I went on. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna come on 345 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: this show and I'm gonna have some cocktails, I'm gonna 346 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: eat some uh, you know, appetizers, and I'm gonna you 347 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: maybe get a flower. I'm gonna make out of summing. 348 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: You went on with a plan, right, so you're already 349 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: one step ahead of the game. And I think all 350 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: the people come on the show now are one step 351 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: ahead of the game. They realized they need to have 352 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: some type of plan. So the fact that you would 353 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: actually have a plan going on to a bachelum paradise. 354 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: Type of situation, I think in what what he would 355 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: be saying to is his plan is to be himself, 356 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: which has worked out so far, and so if your 357 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: plan is to be yourself and going back to Bob's question. 358 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: I'm not letting you get out of that chair unless 359 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: you give us as you know that you'd be interested 360 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: in meeting on the beach. 361 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 5: You know you're gonna you're gonna hate for me. 362 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 4: Is I have and that actually you're gonna love this? Well, 363 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: you're gonna love this in particular, you're talking about having 364 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: a plan. Yes, since the moment I was asked, my 365 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 4: plan has to give no ammunition to anybody in the 366 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: sense of if I say something now that can that 367 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: will live on forever. If I go, hey, I'm excited 368 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: to see A or B. Right, well, now A or 369 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: B has this in mind that they're going to get 370 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: to see me, he's excited to see me, and they 371 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 4: could use that again, use it for me. And I 372 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: want to go in open minded, open hearted, and have 373 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 4: somebody excited to see me. 374 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 5: I would love that. That's awesome. 375 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: I want to meet you, But I don't want to 376 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 4: be caught in a position where I said something beforehand 377 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 4: and now I'm to that thing when I have not 378 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: met somebody saying. 379 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: You haven't been to stage coach in the last eight months. 380 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 4: Stage coach is the great on doing all Bachelor paradise 381 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: going to stage. 382 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: We've had many an interview. 383 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: I have a hard rule in this in this au festivals, 384 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 4: no body from bachelination at all, No women, No keep 385 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: doing DM them, none of them. 386 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: That's gonna get that weird love trying to out be honest. 387 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: I think that's gonna fail. Miserable you think so, Oh 388 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 3: my gosh, it's anybody? 389 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 5: Was that anybody? 390 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I didn't mean the d m ing part. 391 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: I just meant, like you, you're saying that you're not 392 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: gonna cross paths when anyone. 393 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: I'm going to hook up with anybody from I'm going 394 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 4: to cause zero. 395 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: It's a different world today than when we existed. 396 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 4: Wow, you have to understand you non doing it. There's 397 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 4: no solid proof that anything happened. If there's test or 398 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 4: d MS or whatever, this is. 399 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: A photographic evidence, then you're good with it. 400 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: Which happens, which thank you. There's no moments you get 401 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: past Bob, you're still remembering your time where you're like, wait, 402 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: it was high on the side of the cave. You 403 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: had to write a letter I did and send it 404 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: out and say hey, hang out, Freddy, I would like 405 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: the envelope like f YI, music's saying. He's saying, so 406 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: clean from all this, He's entering into paradise with this 407 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: slate that is just. 408 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 4: White and the it's probably putting a target on my 409 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 4: back now that they're like, oh, we're going to get 410 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 4: this money. 411 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is. 412 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 4: About it. 413 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about it on the I'm so excited. 414 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 5: Yes we got as I thought he was saying. But 415 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 5: he's not. 416 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: He tried so hard. 417 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 4: And so the people outside of the show, and not 418 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 4: all of them, some of them have like almost scared 419 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 4: me into this belief too, which is really shitty to say. Like, 420 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 4: there was a moment where I'm gonna I'm gonna say 421 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 4: two really quick ones. There was a moment that I 422 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 4: was at Starbucks with my mom and somebody took a 423 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: picture of us having a conversation outside this is the 424 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 4: local Starbucks by my house, took a picture of it, 425 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: put on Reddit and was like Jonathan's having a heated argument. 426 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 5: With this woman, blah blah blah. Yeah yeah. 427 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 4: And then but then somebody goes that's his mom, and 428 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: I'm like, it's weird, Like why are you photographing in 429 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 4: a conversation I'm having with my mom? And then trying 430 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 4: to pass it off is I'm having a conversation with 431 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 4: some woman that we're having an argument in public, my mom, 432 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: We're talking literally just talking. And there's been other ones 433 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 4: where I've just been friendly to people in DMS. I 434 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 4: would never hang out with somebody that's a fan or 435 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 4: like whatever. Ever again to keep that clean slate. And 436 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 4: somebody thought that we had something like special and decided 437 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 4: to come after me and comments and like be like, oh, 438 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 4: you're a joke to think I was going to fly 439 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 4: out there to like see you and this and that, 440 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 4: And I'm like I was being friendly and we were 441 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: talking about travel. 442 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, And now I. 443 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 3: Don't respond above the frame that regard because you can't 444 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 3: other people's twisted imagination. You can't live up to that. 445 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: That's that's gonna be their own thing at the end 446 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: of the day. Stay true to you, be the jig 447 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 3: d J that we've come to know and love, right, 448 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: I mean I love it. 449 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 2: I think about you're doing so much from this season 450 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: of Paradise now because Wells is one of my best 451 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: friends in the world. You need to lean on Wells 452 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: when you're down there. It was my one. But I 453 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: cannot wait to watch and and I hope they don't 454 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: get them, Bob, I really hope they don't. I hope 455 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: they don't go after it. I don't want to get 456 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: I don't want he wants to actually meet somebody. So 457 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: let's just put it over the because we have a 458 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 2: lot of don't Jake Well's Manhattan's because those are disaster 459 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 2: but of listeners to this show. Uh so, a lot 460 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 2: of people are gonna hear it. We're gonna hear right 461 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: now and put it in stone because it's going to 462 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: protect you. Is like, don't go after this guy, like 463 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 2: he wants to meet somebody. He's trying to keep himself clean, 464 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 2: he's just being a nice guy. If this show goes 465 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: after him. As fans, because we have a lot of 466 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: the fans listening, we rebel against that. We we we 467 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: stand up and say that's not true. Yeah, and we 468 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: just want them. We want them to be friends. I 469 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 2: want love to come from it. And the second thing 470 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: is I cannot wait to watch this season. 471 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 5: It's gonna be great too. 472 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: Hey, this has been the Almost Famous podcast until next time. 473 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 5: I've been Ben Jonathan and 474 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeartRadio, 475 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.