Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture, Yes, lost Cultu ding Dung last
Speaker 1: culture Resta's calling. Now here's the thing. We didn't tell
Speaker 1: the readers this was happening today. The readers is what
Speaker 1: we call our listeners and the Katie's the finalist publicist.
Speaker 1: They don't know this is happening. This is a Wednesday drop.
Speaker 2: This is a moment of wish fulfillment that I don't
Speaker 2: think I've ever experienced before. For you, my friend, I
Speaker 2: can't for everyone who listens, everyone who loves our guest,
Speaker 2: which is all of America down.
Speaker 1: I woke up this morning, my eyes open, and I
Speaker 1: was like, what do I do? Do I put on
Speaker 1: like a suit? It feels like Christmas? It's like you
Speaker 1: know that vibe where it's like, well, it's a big day.
Speaker 3: What do I do?
Speaker 1: Do I try to look casual? Do I put together
Speaker 1: the sort of look that's like I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just woke up like it was a normal day. This
Speaker 1: is how I How do I literally give it sartorially
Speaker 1: what it means to me, which would be a full
Speaker 1: ball gown.
Speaker 2: Honestly, you want to meet destiny where it's at Does
Speaker 2: that make sense?
Speaker 1: And you if you wanted to wear a ball down,
Speaker 1: you should have fucking Warner. It's actually real. The culture
Speaker 1: number eight. You want to meet destiny where it's at.
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's in the rules of culture today,
Speaker 1: Bow and Yang.
Speaker 2: We have.
Speaker 1: One of the world's greatest singers. I can't even look
Speaker 1: around the eye, one of the greatest American treasures. It's
Speaker 1: so funny because you know, on this podcast we say
Speaker 1: what was the culture that made you say culture was
Speaker 1: for you? For me? That was our guest And I
Speaker 1: met her when I was on her show, how to
Speaker 1: look her in the eye and say, this might be
Speaker 1: a lot. I might have a full on breakdown, and
Speaker 1: everyone watching is like, manhole, did they get there?
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about this when we bring her on.
Speaker 2: But both of you handled that so well when the
Speaker 2: cameras were rolling, and I'm sure before they were, I mean,
Speaker 2: this person is and I say this with like full
Speaker 2: like context of like what the culture was like, how
Speaker 2: we were consuming things. Oh yeah, she was whin those
Speaker 2: media player culture oh one hundred. We were downloaded. We
Speaker 2: were going downloading Biza, lineware, downloading every one wire down.
Speaker 2: We were getting everybody's every contestants, Windows Media Player performances,
Speaker 2: the capture of the audio on the show. We were like,
Speaker 2: and we're dancing around the family computer, the family computer computer.
Speaker 1: Remember the family computer. It's a real culture number nine,
Speaker 1: Remember the family computer. Can I say one thing this
Speaker 1: person is VHS tape culture for me? Because you know
Speaker 1: what I did, was I taped on Thank you Fox
Speaker 1: Fox five. I would tape American Idol, and then I
Speaker 1: would rewind the performance of your I need repeatedly to
Speaker 1: the point where I can probably quote like the pre interview,
Speaker 1: the post interview, the Dunkleman of it Allaby, which by
Speaker 1: the way, was done dirty by that show, because we
Speaker 1: loved Dunkleman, Oh my god, he and Ryan and our guest,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they all went on Mad TV. They
Speaker 1: didn't go on that TV. So Bowen Yang SNL famously
Speaker 1: liked mad TV better growing No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Well we're allowed to say it. We're Mad TV better
Speaker 1: than SNL growing Up. Okay, that's period. That's the bigest
Speaker 1: spreaking news of episode. I can't believe we're talking about
Speaker 1: this and we have our guess.
Speaker 2: We're wasting her time. Okay, here's the thing. Her ten
Speaker 2: studio album Chemistry is out now.
Speaker 1: When I heard the title, I almost jumped out of
Speaker 1: a window. Yes, she's speaking to me at the right. Honey,
Speaker 1: my major in college, honey, major in college chemistry? Chemistry?
Speaker 1: Did you know that he was going to be a doctor.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it on Saturday Live.
Speaker 2: And look so professional whispering on the mic, not coming
Speaker 2: in quite yet. But let's waste no time.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to this iconic voice say hoo to us. Please.
Speaker 1: This is insane that we get to say welcome to
Speaker 1: lost culture?
Speaker 3: Is this, Kelly Clarkson, you win for best intro Ever
Speaker 3: I believe that that you should take it in and
Speaker 3: let it just marinate.
Speaker 4: That was incredible.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever been more excited than we are.
Speaker 4: So nice, you held your together something.
Speaker 1: There have been times in this very building where you
Speaker 1: so get this. You did Howard'stern, like yesterday, right the
Speaker 1: day before. So there was a few years ago where
Speaker 1: you were doing Howard for Meeting of Life and they
Speaker 1: had you know, they had like the Howard Stern after show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had me on the Howard Stern after show. Because
Speaker 1: I'm such a huge fan and literally there was a
Speaker 1: moment in the hallway where you were like walking out,
Speaker 1: and I literally said, I mean, this is the moment
Speaker 1: where you could go up and like say hello, like
Speaker 1: because you have a reason to you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you're here doing the after show. You're not like you
Speaker 1: have a reason. So just a rando, I was like I.
Speaker 4: Could be like, you know, I'm here for a reason.
Speaker 1: I started to cry and couldn't do it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't. And then sometimes even thinking about meeting you,
Speaker 1: I'll start to cry. That's must be insane to hear,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like unbelievable, Like I don't when you're
Speaker 1: the person.
Speaker 3: You know, I get it, as in like I have
Speaker 3: people that inspire me so much and for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: they hit at a certain point in my life and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like a safe place for me, like musically or actors,
Speaker 3: like certain movies or whatever.
Speaker 4: So I get it. But you don't see yourself that way.
Speaker 1: It's probably impossible to fathom the impact that you've had
Speaker 1: because the thing is like it is that thing where
Speaker 1: even just like the sound of your voice like makes
Speaker 1: me feel comfortable because I remember, like I was like
Speaker 1: like that. I'm sure you do, and like that's part
Speaker 1: of what we talk about on the show is what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say? Culture was for me,
Speaker 1: like that thing that made you you? Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: remember being twelve years old, a little gay closeted kid,
Speaker 1: and watching you on American Idol. I told you an
Speaker 1: abridged version of this on your daytime talk show, which
Speaker 1: wins Emmy's I love this story. I love the way
Speaker 1: that you frame this but keep going. But like I
Speaker 1: just remember like it was a very alone feeling time
Speaker 1: and then just to see you succeed and watch America
Speaker 1: like whatever this means, but like fall in love with
Speaker 1: you literally and choose you as this person that was
Speaker 1: going to like represent.
Speaker 4: No, it's like an inspiring one.
Speaker 3: I can take myself out of a moment and look
Speaker 3: at something like even if it wasn't me, I can
Speaker 3: see how and it was like the first season, I
Speaker 3: can see how something can like resonate with people and
Speaker 3: especially actually depending on where you are in your life.
Speaker 4: Right, that's what is important.
Speaker 3: I think it's like smells, sounds, visuals, like all those
Speaker 3: things like come into place when nostalgia's involved in and
Speaker 3: that moment, Like for anyone watching anyone win is it's inspiring.
Speaker 3: It's exciting, even on the voice, even if it's not
Speaker 3: a person on my team, Like, it's a really beautiful
Speaker 3: thing to you know, if somebody's achieved something they work
Speaker 3: their tail off for and then you get to kind
Speaker 3: of go on the ride with them.
Speaker 1: Yea's cool. I remember, just like it's just so funny too,
Speaker 1: because now it's like we have a different relationship to
Speaker 1: like what it means to be like on a press tour,
Speaker 1: like you're doing it now. But I remember after you won,
Speaker 1: it felt like you were everywhere everything, everywhere.
Speaker 3: All it was to say no, and I was so
Speaker 3: I know, that was so funny. I didn't know one
Speaker 3: how to say no and I didn't I was just
Speaker 3: new to everything. But they had they had me everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then overseas, which was kind of cool because they
Speaker 3: didn't watch Idle overseas, so it was like a different
Speaker 3: way as well, like coming in to the industry, like
Speaker 3: in a different way from TV because across the world
Speaker 3: they didn't see that Sally right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh that's so interesting because I imagine and I
Speaker 2: feel like you've talked about this. I listened to your
Speaker 2: Glennon episode. By the way, Oh so incredible.
Speaker 4: I love her, I love them, I love that.
Speaker 1: Was so cool.
Speaker 2: But I think you were talking about like there was
Speaker 2: a long period of time where you didn't realize this,
Speaker 2: but like coming from you know, Texas and like just
Speaker 2: being a hard worker, you kind of just like were
Speaker 2: along for the ride, and it took you a while
Speaker 2: to like step away from them and be like wait
Speaker 2: a minute, like this is a little too much. I
Speaker 2: imagine that being thrust into that is like you can't
Speaker 2: question it.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I remember vividly one moment, and it was I think
Speaker 3: after I'd toured Breakaway that album like a couple of times,
Speaker 3: and it just I was exhausted. I'd had like walking intemonia.
Speaker 3: They say I had it twice, but I just think
Speaker 3: I just had it once and never went away. But anyway,
Speaker 3: it was just I was very exhausted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was pump you full of it.
Speaker 3: It'll be fine with the water, you know, It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: maybe it means I should take a minute.
Speaker 4: But anyway, I was just very tired, and it just
Speaker 4: hit me.
Speaker 3: Because I had just gone to like I don't know,
Speaker 3: the store, just to get literally I think it was
Speaker 3: milk for like a recipe for something, sure.
Speaker 4: And it was a cool moment. It was a woman.
Speaker 3: She was very nice, but just talk to me for
Speaker 3: like twenty minutes, and it was like I was exhausted,
Speaker 3: like I had just gotten off tours, Like I just
Speaker 3: wanted to go home and pake this thing, like sit
Speaker 3: on my couch and not talk. Yeah, but you have
Speaker 3: to turn it on and you don't feel like it
Speaker 3: sometimes because not that you're trying to be fake, that
Speaker 3: you know that this moment means something to this person,
Speaker 3: and like just pull yourself together for a minute and
Speaker 3: like you can do it and then you'll be home.
Speaker 3: But I think when I got home, I had a
Speaker 3: complete breakdown in my garage. Yeah, far because I had
Speaker 3: figured out like you can't take it.
Speaker 4: Back, like you can't.
Speaker 3: And that was the thing I just kept saying when
Speaker 3: I was crying to my brother at the time, was
Speaker 3: like I can't take get back like it just is.
Speaker 4: You know, you can't. You can't not be who people
Speaker 4: know who you are, and you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 4: so it's like I think that was.
Speaker 3: A really hard lesson or hill to get over. But
Speaker 3: for the most part, it's awesome. It's just this moments
Speaker 3: you know that you're just exhausted. But I think that
Speaker 3: was a really good turning point for.
Speaker 1: Me well, especially because like the image that people had
Speaker 1: of you from the show and even throughout your career
Speaker 1: is like a very like excited positive you know, even
Speaker 1: like the daytime talk show version of Kelly and I
Speaker 1: am a very positive yes, but it's hard to be
Speaker 1: effusive all the time, you know, all the time obviously, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to even like I would imagine that.
Speaker 1: It's like when someone comes up and they have this
Speaker 1: idea of what you're going to be. You probably for
Speaker 1: a time anyway, like had this thing of like did
Speaker 1: I give them? Like Kelly Clarkson, that's like a therapy
Speaker 1: thing too. It's like that I've had to talk with
Speaker 1: my therapist about sometimes it's like separating who I am
Speaker 1: from like the person I want to give people sometimes
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 3: Do think what's easy for me though, is that because
Speaker 3: people are always like, oh my god, you're like exactly
Speaker 3: how you're in to be. I'm like, I'm I don't
Speaker 3: try in that sense, Like I don't I mean, if
Speaker 3: you're feeling like exhausted. That's one thing of like putting
Speaker 3: your best foot forward, I guess is what I should
Speaker 3: have said. But I feel like I'm very fortunate I
Speaker 3: don't have like some created persona, right. It's like who
Speaker 3: I am sitting right here is who I'm going to
Speaker 3: be tonight at my ranch, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like so's It's just the same anywhere I go. I
Speaker 3: don't know, I think it seems exhausting to try and
Speaker 3: be anything else, you know what I'm saying, Like how
Speaker 3: people do have a shtick they kind of put on
Speaker 3: that seems exhausting to me.
Speaker 2: But with the daytime of it all, I feel like
Speaker 2: there's this register you're talking to people at where it's
Speaker 2: so intimate. It comes off as like you're literally you're
Speaker 2: in people's homes while they're going about their business, and
Speaker 2: to them it's like an instant. That's the reason why
Speaker 2: people were so like invested in the daytime wars of
Speaker 2: like the Oughts or whatever the nineties. It's because as
Speaker 2: you're sipping your coffee, like you're watching Kelly or something.
Speaker 2: And I think that's maybe something where people are expecting
Speaker 2: a version of Kelly Clarkson when they like come up
Speaker 2: to your while you're just trying to.
Speaker 1: Play milk or something.
Speaker 3: I should have explained that better. I don't even mean
Speaker 3: that I had to put something on. I just meant like,
Speaker 3: be the better version of yourself, not the tired version.
Speaker 3: Just like you know what I'm saying, like come on,
Speaker 3: like I know you're tired, but like, just be who
Speaker 3: you normally are on a regular basis right now, even
Speaker 3: though you're not feeling it innately. But I don't know
Speaker 3: even with the show, like I was very upfront, like
Speaker 3: I didn'tven want to do it first because I was like,
Speaker 3: no one's going to watch this because I think I
Speaker 3: grew up with like either journalists or comedians Rosie I
Speaker 3: Love or Oprah or even Ellen, like all those people
Speaker 3: like journalists like comedians. Like I was like what so
Speaker 3: I told them right off the bat, I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't even know what the formula is for daytime TV,
Speaker 3: but what I'm going to give you is me probably
Speaker 3: and if it works, it works, and if it doesn't,
Speaker 3: it doesn't. But I am not the person you want
Speaker 3: to hire if you feel like I'm going to do
Speaker 3: something this Like even the cooking segments, we make a
Speaker 3: joke out of it, Like that is not something I
Speaker 3: enjoyed doing make fun of you were self deprecating about
Speaker 3: We like poke fun of things that people are interested
Speaker 3: in in a daytime, but like, I am not generally
Speaker 3: like because I'm not.
Speaker 4: Good at it.
Speaker 1: So you're a baker. You're not a cooker.
Speaker 4: I am a baker. Okaya streets are way more fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you know about like three years ago, who you
Speaker 1: had on your show was Tom Sandoval on Ariano Maddox.
Speaker 1: Do you know Tom and Ariana from BANDR Pump Rules.
Speaker 1: They came to your show to make cocktails.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I knew they were honestly because I had gone to
Speaker 4: one of the restaurants. Gave me the down low on
Speaker 4: the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Can you believe? Wait?
Speaker 4: Is that the one where they're not together on one of.
Speaker 1: The castmates And they've been together with one of the
Speaker 1: cast mates, So it's like on TV, honey, it's so wow,
Speaker 1: you really are like off the grid when you're off
Speaker 1: the grip.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that girl went through that like publicly.
Speaker 1: Y Y's it's wild And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what this is.
Speaker 4: Well kind of death of asshole?
Speaker 1: Can you not do it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: You can say like, oh my god, to say that
Speaker 1: word on the This is a podcast where we say
Speaker 1: way worse.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, wait, can you just like not do
Speaker 4: it on camera?
Speaker 1: Well, the answer is when you're a narcissist, the answer
Speaker 1: is no, you can go to the depths of hell. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you do have experience the way the transition is happening.
Speaker 1: We actually love when that happened so naturally, when you
Speaker 1: announced that this was called chemistry, and you're a little
Speaker 1: breakdown of why. I literally had to sit back in
Speaker 1: my chair because I've experienced this rather recently, which is
Speaker 1: like something feeling incredibly special and the world just like
Speaker 1: turns on its axis. The stars aren't even know it
Speaker 1: could happen, and then you find out it's not what
Speaker 1: it seemed for X y Z reasons. And when you
Speaker 1: were talking about how chemistry can be the best thing
Speaker 1: that you've experienced in terms of the field, and you
Speaker 1: feel lucky that yeah, gott and that you have to
Speaker 1: hang on to it because of course it's special. Of
Speaker 1: course something magical, right, And then like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you look at it from like the thirty thousand foot
Speaker 1: view you get when you step outside of it and
Speaker 1: you're like, that wasn't good for me, Like just putting
Speaker 1: that into that word chemistry and like it meaning both
Speaker 1: positive and negative things like that's really going to resonate.
Speaker 1: I know it has with me. And I just wonder, like,
Speaker 1: when did you decide that that was going to be
Speaker 1: the word and the theme, because it's like an anticipated moment,
Speaker 1: like not only just for you as a person, but
Speaker 1: for all your fans and all fans of music to
Speaker 1: hear this from you because you've been through this seismic thing.
Speaker 1: So I wonder like when it clicked that that was
Speaker 1: the way you'd introduce this to the world.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, I didn't even think about the title of
Speaker 3: the album. Didn't come up for like quite some time,
Speaker 3: just because my label gave me the space.
Speaker 4: It was really cool.
Speaker 3: They were like, let us know when you're read, because
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if I'm even going
Speaker 3: to release this.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just don't know what I'm going to do, and
Speaker 3: they really were respectful and gave me space. So I
Speaker 3: literally just wrote a bunch of stuff for me to
Speaker 3: get things out, and then when it came down to
Speaker 3: picking songs. I kind of picked ones that I felt
Speaker 3: like we're fair game because things had already been led
Speaker 3: out in the press that were out of my control,
Speaker 3: so like it was already out there. So I put
Speaker 3: anything that was already out. I kind of felt like
Speaker 3: it was fair game. But other than that, I didn't
Speaker 3: put any of the others out. So it came down
Speaker 3: to these specific songs that you now have on the
Speaker 3: album and chemistry. Just I was trying to think of
Speaker 3: a word. What's the word? How do you wrap up
Speaker 3: this entire relationship feeling ride like all of that, And
Speaker 3: it felt like exactly what you just said. It felt
Speaker 3: like it was like, man, it wasn't all bad. You know,
Speaker 3: some was really horrible, but some of it was really
Speaker 3: special and like really hot and sexy and cool and
Speaker 3: like amazing and like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Not everybody gets to feel this in their life, you know.
Speaker 3: So I felt like that word kind of encapsulated like
Speaker 3: all of the feelings, all of the stages of grief
Speaker 3: that you go through on it.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, because chemistry, it can, it makes things, it unmakes.
Speaker 2: Things, breaks things, Yeah, exactly exactly, And like I love
Speaker 2: that it is this tapestry, this like unlinear progression of
Speaker 2: like thoughts and experiences and feelings.
Speaker 4: It's like you're deafinitly a stream of consciousness.
Speaker 1: It's perfect.
Speaker 2: I feel like a breakup album, especially as it's tied
Speaker 2: to like someone's personal real experience, can sometimes feel like
Speaker 2: a little bit of a calculated thing, right. You can't
Speaker 2: help it's hard to avoid this notion that like, oh.
Speaker 3: As soon as it's announced, people are like, wins the
Speaker 3: break exactly. That's just weird about its or dead like
Speaker 3: all of us went down in COVID but we didn't
Speaker 3: make it. Yeah, I know. So it was like even
Speaker 3: like hearing people that I know and then they're coming
Speaker 3: up there, I'm like, oh, I wonder what that's going
Speaker 3: to sound like, Like what are they going to touch on?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that we delight in that.
Speaker 3: I think that it's just to connect with someone on
Speaker 3: a level that you've been there, like you felt that,
Speaker 3: and you're like, because that's there's nothing like even like okay,
Speaker 3: happier than ever. When I decided to cover that song
Speaker 3: on the show Love their Grade, but it was different,
Speaker 3: like I love her music and I've covered her stuff
Speaker 3: tons but that song, like when I heard it and
Speaker 3: then proceeded to be a million of the.
Speaker 4: Views, yeah, I was like, I, first of all, how
Speaker 4: dare you? This is my life?
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, it was like wait were
Speaker 3: you watching? Like so yeah, it was like that's why
Speaker 3: it's such a great song is it's so relatable. She
Speaker 3: was very honest about it. And I just that song,
Speaker 3: Lucius has this album's second nature. It got me through it, man,
Speaker 3: and I just hope that my album does that for
Speaker 3: anyone like that, because there's nothing like that. When people
Speaker 3: go through things, unfortunately, tragedy usually bespokes like some kind
Speaker 3: of art that is moving.
Speaker 1: Wow. I mean it really is true. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the part that like, as a huge, huge fan
Speaker 1: of yours, I remember when it came out that like
Speaker 1: your marriage was going to end. There's like this degree
Speaker 1: of heartbreak. And there's also this thing because I remember
Speaker 1: watching you promote Meaning of Life and you did seem
Speaker 1: so happy and you seemed like, you know, signing with Atlantic,
Speaker 1: it felt like there was this new lease for you.
Speaker 1: It just felt like there was this like watershed moment.
Speaker 1: And then you know, when you think back a few years,
Speaker 1: like the piece by piece of it all. And now
Speaker 1: that song returns in, you know, in rock Clam, which
Speaker 1: is one of our favorite songs from the album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it returns in it returns at the end, and
Speaker 1: I wonder, like, what's your relationship to that music? Now,
Speaker 1: that's a.
Speaker 3: Really good question because I've even we're putting the setlist
Speaker 3: together for Vegas right now, now that I know if
Speaker 3: you have an request, throw the mat me. We're still
Speaker 3: figuring out the setlist for each night. It's going to
Speaker 3: be a little different song O love. But saying that,
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, I don't want to sing that, you know,
Speaker 3: because that was a very hopeful place and a place
Speaker 3: of projecting like what one wishes and when one hopes
Speaker 3: one didn't fall prey to again. And I'm a very
Speaker 3: hopeful person and optimistic and I honestly in that person
Speaker 3: too that I figured out, like you're saying, you go
Speaker 3: through these experiences and like what I see is not
Speaker 3: always what is happening. And that's the really crappy thing,
Speaker 3: because I don't want to change who I am because
Speaker 3: I think it's a beautiful thing to see potential.
Speaker 4: I think it's a beautiful thing to see hope.
Speaker 3: And also where's the line of like have I tried enough?
Speaker 3: Like I'm exhausted, but like is this worth it? There's
Speaker 3: just a it's a line that you know already has
Speaker 3: to make for themselves.
Speaker 1: Right is it worth it? When it's going to kick
Speaker 1: my ass? People paid to comment.
Speaker 4: People love that song and they relate to it, and
Speaker 4: it's something special.
Speaker 3: So here's where I landed, which is because I went
Speaker 3: from hardcore pass too.
Speaker 4: You know what for a moment in my life.
Speaker 3: You know, I was pregnant with my first child, and
Speaker 3: and and one we're in a different place, is very different.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to respect that chapter and I'm going
Speaker 3: to respect what happened there and what I was feeling
Speaker 3: there is not lost that I did feel that and
Speaker 3: that was real.
Speaker 4: At one point. So that's how I compartmentalized and figure out.
Speaker 3: What I'm comfortable with. So like, we'll still do it, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's more so for like not only fans, but
Speaker 3: for that girl that did believe wholeheartedly that that's what
Speaker 3: was happening and that's what I saw, you know, so
Speaker 3: and and I know that that's incredibly sad to think about, but.
Speaker 2: You know, also it's real. It's like retroactively hopeful. It's
Speaker 2: like it's really compassionate towards that person that you were
Speaker 2: when that song was being Yeah, you don't want to diminish.
Speaker 3: That's the thing too, And it's like a breakup album
Speaker 3: or whatever. It's like, I don't want to diminish it
Speaker 3: down to just like the bad I mean, Red Flag
Speaker 3: Lector is real, but it is. I'm saying it its
Speaker 3: already out so but also favorite kind of high is
Speaker 3: I love?
Speaker 4: So it's magic, you know. So it's all real, it's
Speaker 4: just different stages.
Speaker 2: This is a question I've been thinking about with Chemistry specifically,
Speaker 2: is that it seems like you've reached such a peace
Speaker 2: and day resolution with like releasing the music. I mean
Speaker 2: like we're talking to you, like on the day of
Speaker 2: the release of the album. I've been watching and listening
Speaker 2: to your interviews where you you seem like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: like we've had these songs written for a few years now,
Speaker 2: and I cannot but think, like, well, doesn't that like
Speaker 2: prolong the experience. Doesn't that extend like I try and
Speaker 2: it doesn't.
Speaker 3: So that's why I almost didn't release it because I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to live in that dumpster
Speaker 3: fire anymore than I have to, you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 3: and I've done a lot of work to get out
Speaker 3: of it. So that is actually one of the reasons
Speaker 3: why I almost didn't. Okay, But it came down to,
Speaker 3: I think you don't believe it when people talking. I
Speaker 3: don't know where you're at with what you were just
Speaker 3: talking about relationship. I am even even we're actually stuff
Speaker 3: down my feelings for a minute.
Speaker 4: God, Hey, look, I'm going to be very honest right now.
Speaker 4: And I have not owned this.
Speaker 3: I want to bound No here's I don't really generally
Speaker 3: have them, unless that us do with my children. But no,
Speaker 3: I have never I've been so against it, just because
Speaker 3: the things I saw in my childhood, so against like
Speaker 3: any kind of form medication making you feel I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: there's got to be a better way of like talking
Speaker 3: to someone figuring this out healthy.
Speaker 4: I don't want to numb myself. I don't want to
Speaker 4: like whatever.
Speaker 3: And then there came a point when it was I
Speaker 3: think it was literally the last two months, like it
Speaker 3: was right before I ended one of the seasons.
Speaker 4: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: It wasn't this past was the one before whenever my
Speaker 3: divorce was happening whatever, I feel like it lasted forever.
Speaker 3: But I literally I was like, I looked at my
Speaker 3: therapist and I was like, just couldn't stop sobbing and
Speaker 3: and I was like, I actually had to cancel something
Speaker 3: the other it because I couldn't stop crying.
Speaker 4: I couldn't stop crying. I just yeah, I was like
Speaker 4: I can't, I cannot do this.
Speaker 3: And it was one of those things where I really
Speaker 3: had to put my bride aside in like all my
Speaker 3: childhood issues of whatever.
Speaker 4: And that's why I laughed so hard.
Speaker 3: I was on Lgsporre for like I think two months
Speaker 3: because I was like, look, I don't want to be
Speaker 3: on it forever. I don't want to be that person
Speaker 3: I want to be. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 3: I just have issues with it because of my own
Speaker 3: things from childhood. But so my thing was I just
Speaker 3: I can't smile anymore from America right now, Like I'm
Speaker 3: not happy and I need help. And it was one
Speaker 3: of the best lessons because she kept trying to convince me.
Speaker 3: She's like, girl, you're doing a lot and having to
Speaker 3: balance a lot and trying to put my best fit
Speaker 3: forward in front of my kids, Like I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't do it, and so for like a couple
Speaker 3: months of my life, and it was, honest to God,
Speaker 3: the greatest decision ever.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have made it.
Speaker 3: And then by the time you wean off of it,
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, like I handled what I couldn't handle
Speaker 3: then and now I have time and space and I
Speaker 3: took like the whole summer off and I was like,
Speaker 3: I need to take time to actually yeah.
Speaker 1: And then when you can make a decision like that,
Speaker 1: you judge yourself less. You're less anxious about the ramification exactly.
Speaker 1: You did something take care of yourself, which is always
Speaker 1: a good thing people I know, and.
Speaker 3: It just was always yeah, just because there's some things
Speaker 3: that happened whenever I was younger.
Speaker 4: It's a thing for me.
Speaker 3: But it was a really good lesson and like you
Speaker 3: need to put your ego aside and like everything aside
Speaker 3: and like handle someone's trying to help you listen.
Speaker 1: Especially as a creative person. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people that I've talked to are like hesitant to do
Speaker 1: something that's going to you know you or make you
Speaker 1: less creative. I'll be real the fact that now I
Speaker 1: can wake up and not want to like stay in
Speaker 1: bed all day because I have this Now I'm more creative,
Speaker 1: Like I've had breakthroughs in the past couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: like it's been yeah, and then I realized, like, wow,
Speaker 1: maybe I was feeling like this for quite a while. Really,
Speaker 1: even any situation that I went through, and then you're like, huh,
Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm back in a way, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like, yeah, I'm less of myself.
Speaker 3: Mine wasn't less of myself, for creatively speaking. Mine was
Speaker 3: just because if you see something when you're a kid
Speaker 3: and you someone's on something where maybe it was the
Speaker 3: wrong medication, maybe it was whatever, but like it was
Speaker 3: literally like the Walking Dead, Like I would watch people
Speaker 3: in my life and I was like, you are void
Speaker 3: and vacant of any emotion, like right now. That was
Speaker 3: a bad experience I saw which affected me, but I
Speaker 3: think it was one of the greatest things.
Speaker 4: That's why I laughed so hard.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know it. I say that because
Speaker 1: like I just wish sometimes And this is why I
Speaker 1: think people like again anticipate hearing from you through your
Speaker 1: music about the situation not the type of thing where
Speaker 1: it's just like, ooh, what was it? What happened? Because
Speaker 1: those aren't real fans, but people that you trust in
Speaker 1: a way or look up to in a way because
Speaker 1: you have that connection with them. Like the honesty helps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I feel, like, like with your
Speaker 1: Glennon interview, like when you talk to Angie Martinez, you
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, I'm incapable of not being honest. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I think my thing though, the trick is that
Speaker 3: I have to wait till I'm ready. So like even
Speaker 3: with the label, I was like, I can't promote this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like You're gonna have to wait, Like I can't, Like
Speaker 3: I'll break down and go through and won't get through
Speaker 3: it and there will be no point. So and I'm
Speaker 3: already kind of known as a crier, so like I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I don't even know if it's.
Speaker 4: A tourist thing, but maybe it is.
Speaker 2: What's this thing where you're surrounded by scorpios as a
Speaker 2: scorpion surrounded.
Speaker 4: By scorpio scorpios gyminnized. I don't have attracted to y'all.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, that's I don't know if I've ever dated
Speaker 3: a Oh yeah, I've dated a scorpio.
Speaker 1: Interested how that go?
Speaker 4: No, not bad, not bad, It just just better as friends.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: I mean this is so refreshing that because people you
Speaker 2: t help someone you're a Scorpio or a Gemini and
Speaker 2: they like clutch their damn pearls are like what get
Speaker 2: away from me?
Speaker 1: And I'm like and apparently I'm like magnet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's friends if you understand that,
Speaker 2: Like the boundary is oh better as friends. I mean
Speaker 2: there is compatibility in that way where it's like some
Speaker 2: signs are more compatible for a friendship in somewhere more
Speaker 2: compatible for a romance?
Speaker 1: Are you an inter astrology?
Speaker 4: Like everything? Like I think anything's exciting.
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I literally had someone come on the
Speaker 3: show and they somebody had give me tarot cards and
Speaker 3: I was like, so my mother told me that my
Speaker 3: grandmother was like into it, I guess whenever.
Speaker 4: And I was like really, And I never knew anyone
Speaker 4: in my family and I was like, oh, that's kind
Speaker 4: of cool.
Speaker 3: And I just kind of for fun, like it's like
Speaker 3: reading your horoscope for me, Like I'm just like I
Speaker 3: do the car we do it for fun in our camp.
Speaker 4: So I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't like base my life decisions off it by
Speaker 3: any means, but I do find it interesting.
Speaker 4: I think it's just fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's always like a little fun
Speaker 1: lesson to be learned, Like even from a terror reading.
Speaker 1: It's it's like take what you want from yes.
Speaker 3: But sometimes I feel like, I don't know if you
Speaker 3: grew up in church and I grew up Southern Baptist,
Speaker 3: and it's like if you hadn't been in a while
Speaker 3: or something, you show up and you're like.
Speaker 4: Oh are they speaking to me? Like you're like the
Speaker 4: message was right for you.
Speaker 3: So it's like when you read those cards sometimes it's
Speaker 3: like you take it in and you're like apply it
Speaker 3: to your life.
Speaker 1: You're like this was meant for me to say, and
Speaker 1: you like go off with it.
Speaker 4: Anyway. I think it's fun. I'm not like hardcore.
Speaker 1: Yeah right yeah. Wait, speaking of dating, I feel like
Speaker 1: I have to ask you a question that gets sort
Speaker 1: of lost in the conversation we go, because here's the deal.
Speaker 1: If you had said twenty years ago to America that
Speaker 1: you and Justin Guarini had dated during from Justin to Kelly,
Speaker 1: we did it dated, No, but we dated after you
Speaker 1: did it, after Kelly.
Speaker 3: It's like I feeling it was months, but it was
Speaker 3: just like honestly, we could probably both say this.
Speaker 4: We just were around each other all the.
Speaker 3: Time because just like we're here, You're here, I'm here,
Speaker 3: and we experienced something very intense, you know. And it
Speaker 3: wasn't like I won and I was the only one
Speaker 3: on the promo like Justin and I went around everywhere,
Speaker 3: just went to tour, yeah, and then made the horrible film.
Speaker 3: And because I was contractually is no justice, there's nothing,
Speaker 3: You're getting nothing from me.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's fun.
Speaker 4: Here's why. It's just because when you don't, when your
Speaker 4: goal has never been to be an actor, and it
Speaker 4: was literally ball to try and get out of it.
Speaker 1: It was the most horror I remember hearing say like
Speaker 1: when you won, is this true? Like when you won
Speaker 1: the show? And like there's the moment of my immediate thought,
Speaker 1: are you serious?
Speaker 3: My immediate thoughts because we had just talked about it
Speaker 3: just to night before we went out there.
Speaker 4: Because he didn't really mind.
Speaker 3: He loves acting, he loves like he's really good exactly
Speaker 3: like this is like his thing is forte.
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is not mine.
Speaker 3: Because if you didn't win, you didn't have to do it.
Speaker 3: It was only so he do it, yes, And so
Speaker 3: I was like he wanted like yeah, but because he's
Speaker 3: into that stuff.
Speaker 1: I thought he did because you had like a partner
Speaker 1: and all that.
Speaker 4: You know, it was fine. But so we did like
Speaker 4: from it wasn't long enough.
Speaker 1: It was like a thing we dated. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that would have I can't believe you guys were able.
Speaker 1: This is how you know, it was a different time
Speaker 1: that was able to think we're just kids and.
Speaker 3: Tell people generally like we're not those like. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like we were like, oh, don't tell people. I don't
Speaker 3: think we ever. I don't remember ever having that conversation.
Speaker 1: Right, So was he being a little dramatic a few
Speaker 1: years ago when he went out on stage and was like,
Speaker 1: this song it's for Kelly. You know, we'll always remember
Speaker 1: that time he went out on stage. What song he sang?
Speaker 1: A song like a few years ago? This is like
Speaker 1: but I remember like he got out on stage and
Speaker 1: I think maybe he was embellishing a little bit, but
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, yeah, it's true. I did have
Speaker 1: a relationship with Kelly, and this is for her, it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be something I remember, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think maybe he was like kind of giving the
Speaker 1: impression yeah.
Speaker 3: Lauren, No, well yeah, I will tell you this completely
Speaker 3: being honest at the time when we I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: a better writer now, but like at the time when.
Speaker 4: We were still in that show, the stuff he was
Speaker 4: writing was incredible.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, I'm talking.
Speaker 4: Like Maxwell, like he so talented.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing is like sometimes and maybe he
Speaker 3: felt like he didn't have the leverage because he didn't win.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the reasoning was.
Speaker 3: We never really had this conversation, but his stuff that
Speaker 3: he was working on was far superior to what the
Speaker 3: label had him recorded for his album. Like he was
Speaker 3: a far better musician and writer than he got to
Speaker 3: show on that first.
Speaker 4: Album of his.
Speaker 3: It does suck because I do remember being angry about it,
Speaker 3: like just personally, because I was like, yeah, I was like,
Speaker 3: you're incredible, Like, you know, he was far more advanced,
Speaker 3: like I'm a better writer now, but like I was
Speaker 3: not that good like back then as a writer, and
Speaker 3: so it was kind of a lesson for me too,
Speaker 3: like and I think kind of helped me stand up
Speaker 3: for myself because I was like, wait, I don't want
Speaker 3: I saw what he was capable of, and you did
Speaker 3: not let him do what he should have been doing.
Speaker 1: It sucks. Yeah, I remember thinking of this.
Speaker 3: What would have happened differently, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: likely because it wasn't I mean really cool music, like
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 1: I mean I just remember at the time thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: all these people are going to be superstars, even like
Speaker 1: everybody did anything, and I remember they sat on that
Speaker 1: Tamayra album for such a long time. Tomorrow Ray was
Speaker 1: such a such.
Speaker 4: Amazing on Broadway.
Speaker 1: Silence.
Speaker 4: I saw in Rent.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what did I also see
Speaker 1: her in Rent? We saw it together, crush.
Speaker 4: She's incredible.
Speaker 1: She's incredible, and.
Speaker 4: Then like I remember a shocked she was like fourth
Speaker 4: or whatever she was.
Speaker 1: I know, fourth, and then upset even Nikki god Rest
Speaker 1: like she at the time like had her own thing.
Speaker 1: Like I remember thinking there was no even Nikki was floored.
Speaker 1: We all were like what you mean, like for coming
Speaker 1: in third?
Speaker 3: But no, no, I just know, I just mean, like
Speaker 3: all of us on the set, like the top five,
Speaker 3: we were like wait what, like yeah, did she just
Speaker 3: get kicked off the show, Like you.
Speaker 1: Think there was some bullshit there. Do you think that
Speaker 1: they were actually going by the Here's what I think.
Speaker 4: I think this is what happened with Tamyra. I have
Speaker 4: no actual idea.
Speaker 3: This is just me even like being a coach on
Speaker 3: the voice and seeing how things play out with viewers
Speaker 3: and trinetre yes conjecture. But I feel like people thought
Speaker 3: she was such a shoe, and like we thought she
Speaker 3: was going to win, Like a lot of us thought
Speaker 3: she was going to win. I didn't even think I
Speaker 3: would at all. So, like I we were one of
Speaker 3: those I think we were in the thing where everybody thought, oh,
Speaker 3: she's getting voted for that. Nobody was voting because they
Speaker 3: thought she was a shoe. And I think that people
Speaker 3: assumed and they didn't really understand the power of sitting
Speaker 3: on that phone.
Speaker 1: Sure, I think that's what I voted for you two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty times every single night.
Speaker 4: Oh it's my favorite.
Speaker 1: Uh, that was a moment in culture when you sang
Speaker 1: stuff like that. There were you watching at the time
Speaker 1: the season one. I remember I was sitting there with
Speaker 1: my grandmother and you were last that night on Big
Speaker 1: Bed Night, which was so exciting, and I think is
Speaker 1: another reason why I think of you and like American
Speaker 1: idol as the culture that made me say culture was
Speaker 1: for me, which we'll ask you because you engaged, because
Speaker 1: it made me realize there was so much music that
Speaker 1: life was out there. I mean like when you were
Speaker 1: saying Aretha, like then I got into Aretha and I
Speaker 1: went into school and I had a teacher that would
Speaker 1: play us Aretha Franklin, and I knew the songs because
Speaker 1: you had sang them and stuff like that. But when
Speaker 1: you sang stuff like that there, my grandmother was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, she should win, she is the most talented.
Speaker 1: I was like, I think she is gonna win. But
Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna win after your life.
Speaker 3: That was I'll tell you that was my prayer was.
Speaker 3: I was like, I just wanted to make it to
Speaker 3: big band night. I had like seen for the Boys
Speaker 3: with be Midler. I saw that when I was younger,
Speaker 3: and I was obsessed with that. All the music from
Speaker 3: that and even we had to flip, so songs are
Speaker 3: not easy to clear back then. That's why we sang
Speaker 3: a lot of Motown because that was a lot of
Speaker 3: the songs that was like that would available, which I
Speaker 3: happened to love motown, so it was no problem for me,
Speaker 3: but it would be hard for other artists that didn't
Speaker 3: want to per.
Speaker 1: Se sing that.
Speaker 3: So it was hard to get songs cleared. So we
Speaker 3: often like were flipping for songs. If two people wanted
Speaker 3: the same thing and.
Speaker 4: I knew that not one of those board I should
Speaker 4: and say right now, and not one of those people
Speaker 4: knew what that song went. I was like, I literally asked,
Speaker 4: just openly.
Speaker 3: I remember going, anybody ever heard of for the Boys
Speaker 3: the musical and neverready had it?
Speaker 4: And I was like, cool that I'm not flipping for
Speaker 4: my song, and I all can fuck up. I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't want anyone to fight me on this song.
Speaker 4: You don't know it. That's not fair. I was like,
Speaker 4: So it was like I didn't have to like flip
Speaker 4: for that one.
Speaker 1: So I was very excited. And so just the way
Speaker 1: you performed it, And there's these like little tinybe rumors
Speaker 1: coming out about you regarding Broadway. So now you're in
Speaker 1: New York, you're gonna be up in the thirty rock
Speaker 1: fuilding with one. So this is a real thing you
Speaker 1: might want to like.
Speaker 4: It's a real thing.
Speaker 3: I definitely have been working on something for like a
Speaker 3: year and a half already that I could be involved
Speaker 3: with or don't have to be, depending on schedule, but.
Speaker 4: I am taking the year that what a great one
Speaker 4: with Max's thing. Yeah, No, it's not that.
Speaker 3: It's something like I've been doing on my own, like
Speaker 3: that is not out yet and I'm not opposed to
Speaker 3: like any other ideas or doing other I'm not.
Speaker 4: I just am interested because I grew up in musical theater.
Speaker 3: So my goal is this first year at least to
Speaker 3: get my family, like established, my kids happy in school.
Speaker 3: So I'm not doing anything right off that because literally
Speaker 3: I said it in one interview and then it went
Speaker 3: like everywhere everyone want people were blowing up my agents and.
Speaker 4: They were like, well, we went on the phone.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, tell them I'm so interested,
Speaker 3: Like not right at this moment because I just have
Speaker 3: other things to take care of it first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's one of the reasons why I loved
Speaker 4: moving here.
Speaker 1: How are you doing New York?
Speaker 4: They well, so they haven't.
Speaker 3: Actually we ended in LA with school and we spend
Speaker 3: summers at my ranch in Montana, so he was through.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know what it was like,
Speaker 3: it was right Montana was so anyway, So they haven't
Speaker 3: They've been here off and on for like vacations or whatever,
Speaker 3: but they haven't actually lived here, gone to school here,
Speaker 3: done that.
Speaker 4: So that's happening right when they start school. So my
Speaker 4: son is very excited.
Speaker 1: My daughter I'm still winning over.
Speaker 4: Not York. It's the fact that she just has friends.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: My son is like, my friends will be fine, let's go.
Speaker 3: He loves New York and literally, I don't know why
Speaker 3: we've been here often, but like it just was crazy
Speaker 3: to me. He was like I think like six years
Speaker 3: old when he said, like just turned six and we
Speaker 3: were here for promo thing and crossing the bridge to
Speaker 3: come in. And I was like, buddy, I mean, why
Speaker 3: do you like it here so much? Like why do
Speaker 3: you like New York? Why are you so excited that
Speaker 3: you're here? And he was like, it's freedom. And literally
Speaker 3: I felt bad because I was like, do.
Speaker 4: You not feel free like where you are happening?
Speaker 1: Like no in l A in La, So it's not it's.
Speaker 4: Not for remy.
Speaker 1: Remy was like, this is New York too.
Speaker 3: He is very excited. He loves the walking around. He
Speaker 3: loves the kind of chaotic energy.
Speaker 4: He loves that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can tell River Rose that.
Speaker 2: Like, I think moving around a lot as a kid,
Speaker 2: as someone who of that experience.
Speaker 4: Too, I think highly adaptable exactly.
Speaker 2: I think it kind of teaches you to be that
Speaker 2: kind of malleable person, and like you get to like
Speaker 2: meet different people.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just pivot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know we've had conversations and I've had a
Speaker 3: similar background to her. So, but it's you can't take away.
Speaker 3: You can't say, oh, it's gonna be fine. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I can't promise you it's gonna be fine, baby, Like
Speaker 3: it might not be. It might be hard for Like,
Speaker 3: I get that too. I was like, so, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie to you. I was like, but can't poo
Speaker 3: poo on it until we try it right again.
Speaker 1: It's happening like I'm a mom, can't poop poo on it?
Speaker 4: Like it's like, yeah, you talk to your children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean wait, so would you ever so now
Speaker 1: that you are going to be up in the thirty
Speaker 1: up building, would you never host? You should know?
Speaker 4: No, Oh my god, that's not funny enough or cool
Speaker 4: enough to.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 4: I really do know it's true.
Speaker 1: You hosted. Have you seen some of the episodes.
Speaker 4: Well, if that's the bar, we're going, okay, yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Would be great.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, see you're being a little about it.
Speaker 3: But I think it because it's a very different are
Speaker 3: I do like live energy, but like y'all are incredibly
Speaker 3: gifted because I have done skits or something like I've
Speaker 3: gone on there and saying, like, done some skits, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I enjoy the popping in and out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's a big thing.
Speaker 1: It's a big thing. But I think you would enjoy
Speaker 1: just like the seed of your pants ness of it all.
Speaker 4: Oh, I do like that part.
Speaker 1: You have so much live.
Speaker 4: No, no, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't mind live. I just mean, like how y'all
Speaker 3: are with the que car and the changes. I'm there
Speaker 3: all day as an artist. You're there all day like
Speaker 3: rehearsing before you see all the skits, you see the
Speaker 3: ones that get cut, like you see it's just ever changing,
Speaker 3: and it's like it's a little bit of a mind
Speaker 3: fox a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I think, like, I think you are perfectly situated skilled,
Speaker 2: like positioned for it, like I think you're literally downstairs.
Speaker 4: This is like how this is, by the way, how
Speaker 4: they got me to do the talk show? Was like,
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: It's not that funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: One of my favorites on was Timberlake. I thought, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was one of my Oh my god and paid
Speaker 3: through God.
Speaker 1: Don't even.
Speaker 4: A little part with.
Speaker 1: His idea, which is brilliant. He's funny, so funny.
Speaker 4: He's my type of guy. I like funny and will
Speaker 4: hot as hell. Yes, yeah, there's no limit here, no, absolutely, Please.
Speaker 1: We have to ask you the question, which is what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you? Say culture it was
Speaker 1: for you? If you could look back in time at
Speaker 1: young Kelly, what made you the person you are, Like,
Speaker 1: whether that's like a movie, a musical artist, something that
Speaker 1: stands out that now you can trace back and be
Speaker 1: like that was the beginning of me. It's a big question.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 4: But the question is this, like the moment where you
Speaker 4: feel like you found your thing? Is that kind of it? Okay?
Speaker 4: So okay, I felt like I could.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It was like that was the chair, by the way
Speaker 4: I talk about.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know I'm thinking of two moments, like
Speaker 3: one one whenever I was younger and the first time
Speaker 3: I saw this is so basic, but like it was
Speaker 3: when I first saw sound of Music.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, no, I know, I'm sorry. I love
Speaker 4: it so much.
Speaker 3: It's like one of my favorite things. And by the way,
Speaker 3: when my kids loved it, I felt like a successful. Yes,
Speaker 3: but I think that was one of the moments that
Speaker 3: I've felt like just entertainment and just that world of pretend,
Speaker 3: in that world like musically, I thought it was magical
Speaker 3: and like the relationship with.
Speaker 4: The Von Traffic, I just thought it was like very cool.
Speaker 3: But like for me personally, like a moment I experienced
Speaker 3: was honestly, I sang at this thing in like junior
Speaker 3: high and everyone was singing like I didn't feel.
Speaker 4: Like special at this point, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I didn't feel everybody had their moment to shine during
Speaker 3: this performance thing that we were doing at school.
Speaker 4: And I got up there and it just was like
Speaker 4: amazing all my friends.
Speaker 3: Just to be on stage in the same energy with
Speaker 3: all my friends, just like loving to sing, picking songs,
Speaker 3: the art of all of it, like figuring it out.
Speaker 3: Who was the sequence of the show like all of that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was just it was very fun to me and
Speaker 3: I got up there. I remember its vision of love.
Speaker 3: I sing visions carry because why not? And I love
Speaker 3: that gus. I appreciate that. Guess.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm a Lamb. I'm like a diet
Speaker 1: in the world Lamb. The Butterfly album.
Speaker 4: Every with do I know in my soul?
Speaker 3: People ask me why I don't cover her, and I'm
Speaker 3: like one Sometimes it's hard to clear songs to you
Speaker 3: don't want to because it's like, why am I going
Speaker 3: near that? But the main reason is it's I'm almost
Speaker 3: incapable of not mimicking God. Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I grew up on it so much.
Speaker 3: Like it's like if I seek like Sheer Whitney Sinner like,
Speaker 3: it's hard to deter from the route I know.
Speaker 1: It taught me. Yeah, this is the mariahs time. I
Speaker 1: want to hear you do my all? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Adding if you.
Speaker 4: Like not, ok, oh my gosh, Hello, she is that
Speaker 4: sultry sexy? It's all.
Speaker 1: First of all, you chose my all, Yes I did.
Speaker 4: That's a real fan.
Speaker 3: What do you think that I'm I'm staying and to
Speaker 3: come out here with emotions like I'm basic. That's a
Speaker 3: real First of all, it gets a lot thicker and
Speaker 3: deeper than that. He's gonna be like the roof.
Speaker 4: Looking at it like I love. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I brought friends over to my and put on like
Speaker 1: my record player, I'll play like the Butterfly. I got
Speaker 1: really into like Vinyl during the pandemic. That was the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I played the Roof for some of my
Speaker 1: friends that like didn't get it.
Speaker 4: I was just like, I can't be.
Speaker 1: From you guys.
Speaker 4: Anymore. Yeah, I have COVID, No mine was.
Speaker 3: I just feel like it's an incredible thing too, like
Speaker 3: this span of her career and the span of success,
Speaker 3: like even her new albums You.
Speaker 1: Still Did Caution is excellent.
Speaker 3: I look Eagles Square like that whole, like the effects
Speaker 3: that song came out and I was like, Wow, she
Speaker 3: had something to say.
Speaker 1: People did talk about.
Speaker 4: She's so great?
Speaker 1: Are you and't haveing right now? These are your two
Speaker 1: favorite artists and you're talking to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we could talk forever.
Speaker 3: And I'm such a huge fan of being her street
Speaker 3: team as far as her being one of the best
Speaker 3: writers ever talk about the songbird and I'm like, great, yeah,
Speaker 3: vocals for days obviously, but guys, name another artist you
Speaker 3: can't that's that successful that wrote it all all arranges it,
Speaker 3: arranges it writes it a lot of our faceavorite artists,
Speaker 3: Like you know, I write a lot, but I don't
Speaker 3: write all of it. Nothing wrong with that, not even
Speaker 3: bashing myself for others, but no, shade, it's just what
Speaker 3: an amazing moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like the thing is.
Speaker 4: And they have the number one Christmas song for like
Speaker 4: all time it.
Speaker 1: Shut up But underneath the tree, thank you.
Speaker 2: The year it came out, we did a whole sketch
Speaker 2: show called Popular and it was every transition song.
Speaker 1: Was underneath the tree. It was underneath the tree. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you. Excellent it was.
Speaker 4: I was trying my best to like give it.
Speaker 3: Because it was actually more of a tie into that
Speaker 3: wall of yeah.
Speaker 4: Merry Christmas. Yeah, yeah, Baby please come Home. I couldn't
Speaker 4: think of it. Wow, for a billion dollars.
Speaker 2: For a billion, you know, Pitchfork ranked Baby Please Come
Speaker 2: Home right below Olive one for Christmas?
Speaker 1: Is you for like you know, the top recent podcast.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is. It's like It's not just that song,
Speaker 1: it's that whole Christmas album that's like.
Speaker 4: I know, can we talk about I believe it's track
Speaker 4: number five.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, it's
Speaker 3: my favorite cold Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, oh my god, oh my god, my god.
Speaker 1: Can we get trag number Five's.
Speaker 3: My god, it's five or six? I don't even want
Speaker 3: you tell me I'm gonna get it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I feel like a letdown. I'm not a
Speaker 4: lamb right now. I'm a loser.
Speaker 1: While did you listen to her come.
Speaker 4: No without you Christmas?
Speaker 1: Or I haven't?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, wait, Oh my god. It's like
Speaker 4: my favorite.
Speaker 3: Ismas time, Miss you Most is the best look I love.
Speaker 4: All I want for Christmas is you, but miss you most.
Speaker 1: At Christmas time?
Speaker 4: Yes? How dare she?
Speaker 1: How dare she?
Speaker 4: I have cried so many tears to that song miss
Speaker 4: You Most?
Speaker 3: And I will say that song kind of hard candy
Speaker 3: Christmas and like the carpenters are the reason why Merry
Speaker 3: Christmas to the one I used to know which Christmas
Speaker 3: but that's the origin story of that is like my life,
Speaker 3: but also so like they opened up this whole world
Speaker 3: of like Christmas possibility with like new music like that
Speaker 3: you know hadn't been done.
Speaker 1: It can be a Christmas song about something that is.
Speaker 4: But I like all I went for Christmas dude, but
Speaker 4: it's great. But miss You Most is my jam.
Speaker 3: I couldn't freakin think of the name because I haven't
Speaker 3: had enough caffeine.
Speaker 1: But were there with you.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to cover that when this season. Yes,
Speaker 4: if I can clear it right clearing loves Most, maybe
Speaker 4: she'll sing it with me.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine Christmas queen her?
Speaker 4: Several times, I've met her a few times. She's so
Speaker 4: so oh my god.
Speaker 3: So the last time we ran into each other, I
Speaker 3: didn't even realize what I was doing because she's very
Speaker 3: warm and welcoming, so I don't get like super nervous.
Speaker 4: I did. The very first time we met, I said,
Speaker 4: some stupid ship. But she's just very cool and like
Speaker 4: very kind and like I thought.
Speaker 3: She took so much time and actually watched the videos
Speaker 3: for all the voice artists, and I thought, oh, cool,
Speaker 3: your stand up, Like not everybody that comes here does
Speaker 3: or gives a ship promote. Yeah, I'm like that was
Speaker 3: really cool because I've been these people, so it meant
Speaker 3: a lot to me, so anyway, but she is very cool.
Speaker 3: But she the last thing we were talking because I
Speaker 3: was saying something about like something of her, I was,
Speaker 3: you know, bragging on her, and She's like, we should
Speaker 3: write together and I was like, oh, I don't want to,
Speaker 3: and I okay, exactly exactly, but she said it, and
Speaker 3: I this is honestly like, I don't write in the
Speaker 3: same room with people. I have really done that twice
Speaker 3: in my life because I'm just not a vulnerable writer
Speaker 3: and so just sometimes I'm just you.
Speaker 1: Like to bring stuff that you have done to someone.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like even this whole record, Like if I'm
Speaker 3: like any song you see me on, I've pretty much
Speaker 3: written the lyrics and melodies just on my own alone.
Speaker 4: Like it's just so.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I start telling Mariah about my process and
Speaker 3: I'm like did I just And then I walked away
Speaker 3: in there, like do you realize you just kind.
Speaker 4: Of said no to like writing? And I was like,
Speaker 4: wait what And I was like, I didn't say no.
Speaker 3: I just was explaining. I just say whatever's in well
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh god, I can't write a
Speaker 3: room together. And I walked away and my people were like,
Speaker 3: do you realize that you kind.
Speaker 1: Of just like no, And I was like, wait, what,
Speaker 1: We're the same because I do this all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't even mean to say that.
Speaker 4: I was just explained, I'm just so nervous, just I
Speaker 4: don't know what I said. Like I was like, I
Speaker 4: don't even know what I said.
Speaker 1: It was Mariah fucking carry That's why you don't know
Speaker 1: what you're saying.
Speaker 4: It ring with you, ma'am. You have like a billion
Speaker 4: number one.
Speaker 1: So we got to meet her because this was so
Speaker 1: we did we did a peloton. You know, Cody raise
Speaker 1: me from Peloton, so we did his peloton class during
Speaker 1: Christmas because Boone was on. I was on as a guest,
Speaker 1: like I was on the bike. It was a talk show,
Speaker 1: had my Christmas special out, so we were like sort
Speaker 1: of doing that together. Mariah Carey came out and stood
Speaker 1: and did like a bit.
Speaker 4: I was like, if you tell me this woman walked
Speaker 4: on a peloton, she.
Speaker 1: Certainly did not. I veingue. She stood in what had
Speaker 1: to be I don't know forty eight in sheiels next
Speaker 1: to the Christmas tree, said it's time and then like,
Speaker 1: do you know did her thing? But when I tell
Speaker 1: you she like had like a moment where she needed
Speaker 1: to get help getting down from the pedestal. She said,
Speaker 1: can you help me down? Looked me in the eyes.
Speaker 1: They had put me in this one because they know
Speaker 1: I'm like a huge fan. I almost broke my leg
Speaker 1: getting out of the pelicanes I read because I had
Speaker 1: fallen because I was like, I'm strapped in I can't.
Speaker 1: I was like, you bever get the I grabbed her
Speaker 1: hands and helped her down to safety.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I helped Mariah Carey safety.
Speaker 4: I saved her life. That's what this story is.
Speaker 1: Literally, she may not have got She might still be
Speaker 1: up there if it wasn't for me.
Speaker 4: You're a hero.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 4: My god.
Speaker 1: And I just saw her performing the music box. You
Speaker 1: know when I knew my dad was cool when I
Speaker 1: saw that he had the music box c D.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I have major daddy? And she
Speaker 4: just don't know mine very little. And he passed away.
Speaker 3: But I will say the one thing my father and
Speaker 3: I had in common was Mariah Carey went to Houston
Speaker 3: and Aretha Franklin. Really, I came to visit him like
Speaker 3: once in my childhood, and he had noticed that I
Speaker 3: had Mariah and Discman, My Walkman, Anti Skip Yeah and.
Speaker 4: Anyway you can hold it sideways anyway.
Speaker 3: And he started and he was like, oh, I love
Speaker 3: this record and he started no, he just started talking
Speaker 3: about right and it was like the one and only
Speaker 3: time I had a connection with my father.
Speaker 1: His music, and it was.
Speaker 4: Mariah and he was like, I love Whitney Aretha.
Speaker 3: I was like, those are my favorites. Like I was
Speaker 3: like what, so it was really yeah, Yeah, you had something,
Speaker 3: you had something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great something my dad loved. Jimmy Buffett. I
Speaker 1: love Marguerita Belle Honey song. As you know by heart,
Speaker 1: I do the only the only English speaking artist my
Speaker 1: dad knows. And we know this on the pot is.
Speaker 3: Share and you know what ones have one that's a nice.
Speaker 3: Dad will sing, believe what's your favorite share song?
Speaker 4: Because you're gonna hate me for mine? But I look
Speaker 4: mine shoop, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I love it.
Speaker 4: It's in his kiss, I just look. I love it.
Speaker 4: I know it's the Mermaids, it's for the movie, the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: It's not even my evers Mermaids.
Speaker 4: I love it. That's a really good world. She's got
Speaker 4: so many anthems, almost can't go.
Speaker 3: Near those, but then again, if I could turn look
Speaker 3: not just me like to pick that, to pick a
Speaker 3: favorite out of them.
Speaker 1: If I could turn back time is like for all time.
Speaker 1: That's a good karaoke song too. You ever go to
Speaker 1: the shoe this kiss? That's true karaoke last night and
Speaker 1: like singing, I do not hook up well.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing, no one told me, like really
Speaker 4: what I was walking into.
Speaker 3: And they were just like, hey, if we throw a party,
Speaker 3: like fans are coming and it's released, and I was
Speaker 3: like all right.
Speaker 1: They invited, well, so I.
Speaker 3: Came and then they were like, well, if you want
Speaker 3: to get on stage, and I was like, my voice
Speaker 3: is shot because I've literally been up five every morning
Speaker 3: and working all day. And I was like ah, I
Speaker 3: was like, maybe i'll do harmonies cut to shredding. I
Speaker 3: have no voice today, and because do.
Speaker 4: We have no monitor either? So I was like it
Speaker 4: yelled like hear yourself.
Speaker 3: But anyway, but somebody goes I want to do I
Speaker 3: don't know how coup and I was like, are you serious?
Speaker 1: I have not formed that song though, and like for
Speaker 1: a decade, like you did that on SNL and you
Speaker 1: give an iconic riff at the end.
Speaker 4: I literally I forgot it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss uh.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's just been a.
Speaker 3: Minute for me, Like for a lot of those songs,
Speaker 3: I was like, looking at your lyrics, we love you,
Speaker 3: Katy Perry, Katy Perry and long Shot.
Speaker 1: She wrote that one, Oh yeah, I Love All I
Speaker 1: Ever Wanted is a special album for me because that
Speaker 1: was like when we were in college.
Speaker 2: That was when you were in college. I remember going home,
Speaker 2: just being on the plane. That was before iPhones, before
Speaker 2: like you could like street, you know, downloads. I just
Speaker 2: had had that entire album on my iPod and I
Speaker 2: listened to the entire album for the entire six hour flight.
Speaker 1: Just I love that album so much. You know, it's
Speaker 1: one of your my favorite songs of yours. Ready I
Speaker 1: love Oh my god, if you knew what that song
Speaker 1: was about, what could we find out?
Speaker 4: Oh that is such a sad well, it's like it's
Speaker 4: a really sad so have you do you know? Irvine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, the same dark place. Really Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm ready now is really just like look, I'm done,
Speaker 3: like you can just take me like I'm yeah.
Speaker 1: That song I was playing during the almost at the time.
Speaker 3: Literally I know, but that song is actually literally about
Speaker 3: just like not living anymore?
Speaker 1: Are you cash? Yeah, because they really made it sound happy.
Speaker 4: No, I know that was my point. Yeah, that I
Speaker 4: made it like how I wrote it was like kind
Speaker 4: of whatever.
Speaker 3: But my I told my producer, who was Jason Halbert
Speaker 3: and my musical director at the time, are always I.
Speaker 4: Know twenty years now.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: But he when he found out, he was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I love that song, but now that I
Speaker 3: know what it's about, he was like, I hear the lyrics.
Speaker 1: Like I just remember skipping along on the streets of
Speaker 1: New York. I had just gotten into Tish, and I
Speaker 1: feel like.
Speaker 4: Now I'm like, oh, I know, it's actually really sad.
Speaker 1: I always had my memory of that girl I was
Speaker 1: skipping in New York for ready, and you won't take
Speaker 1: that from me.
Speaker 4: You will not take them, Okay. But it's like sometimes
Speaker 4: you're sad, you know sometimes yeah, sure so, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know that everybody really knows that things are
Speaker 3: usually about. But that's the cool thing about music, though
Speaker 3: you hear it. I don't know either for different artists
Speaker 3: like that they write, but like, I think that's what's cool.
Speaker 4: You take what you need from it or what you
Speaker 4: see in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think do you do that a lot though,
Speaker 2: where it's like a happy sound quote unquote, but it's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, the lyrics are like if you take a
Speaker 2: closer read on them, it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, this
Speaker 2: is dark, you know, or the other way around.
Speaker 3: I'm happy in bubbly, but I think if you're able
Speaker 3: to experience, like, I'm just a passionate person either way, Like,
Speaker 3: so I can go real dark like, but I can
Speaker 3: also be real bright.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's finding that balance.
Speaker 2: Is this. I think every singer should have a Glennon
Speaker 2: Doyle era should have like a Love Warrior era should
Speaker 2: have Arene Brown era.
Speaker 1: Did you watch her thing on HBO Max? Now it's Max.
Speaker 1: I don't know what do you call it?
Speaker 4: I have not seen that when I've seen her, Like
Speaker 4: Ted talks a.
Speaker 1: Twenty milligram weed seltzer down in front of the heart
Speaker 1: to receive.
Speaker 4: I don't smoke anything. Yeah, I enjoy gummy.
Speaker 1: You enjoy it, but I don't.
Speaker 3: I'll never smoke any I don't enjoy. I just don't
Speaker 3: enjoy that either. I tried like vaping once and I
Speaker 3: was like, this is who vaping.
Speaker 1: For your voice than even smoking joints.
Speaker 4: But I just meant like I just I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I don't not get too dry, but like, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: not my vibe.
Speaker 1: No problem. So just to ask about like your actual
Speaker 1: instrument this is And I'm not being like I'm not
Speaker 1: blowing smoke, but you really do get better as time
Speaker 1: goes on, Like I don't know if you feel like
Speaker 1: your voice is capable, agree.
Speaker 3: Because I feel like whenever, even when I was young,
Speaker 3: like like I that's the biggest joke between because I
Speaker 3: had to watch something from Idle for some interviewing. I
Speaker 3: was in there like, hey, can you watch this? We're
Speaker 3: gonn reference it. And I went back and watched it
Speaker 3: and I was like, how did I win that show?
Speaker 4: But you know what, you know what the thing is
Speaker 4: like it was totally different. My voice was very different.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even like miss independent like I wrote I
Speaker 3: wrote on that and like even writing that, I remember
Speaker 3: when I first came out started saying that like the
Speaker 3: verse to that was so incredibly difficult for me to reach,
Speaker 3: like the highs and lows that my range was just
Speaker 3: not what it is now like now it's a cake walk,
Speaker 3: but like back then it wasn't. So I think the
Speaker 3: more you know, if you don't use it, you lose it,
Speaker 3: like any you know muscle, I guess, but like but
Speaker 3: I yeah, for me, I one hundred percent agree that
Speaker 3: my voice is aged better.
Speaker 1: I just had to ask because it's like it really
Speaker 1: does it get I wonder if it's something you were
Speaker 1: doing or just like maybe just like as you get older,
Speaker 1: just like you know your instrument better.
Speaker 3: It just I think you know your instrument better, you've tore,
Speaker 3: you get a better endurance and stamina you and you
Speaker 3: also learned to say no. You learn to like no.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be like this whole trip.
Speaker 3: I didn't really sing a bunch of places because I
Speaker 3: was like, look, if you want me to be talking everywhere,
Speaker 3: you need to know, like I'm an actual vocalist, Like
Speaker 3: I can't be waking up at five am and going
Speaker 3: to bed at eleven, you know, or twelve and then
Speaker 3: like killing it vocally like it's not gonna happen. So
Speaker 3: we picked our moments of like what we were going
Speaker 3: to do. But like, yeah, you just have to know
Speaker 3: how to say no and yes, and also you know best.
Speaker 1: Because it's your literal voice and you're.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like everyone's because my favorite thing whenever I
Speaker 3: first started touring is like, well, this artist does four shows,
Speaker 3: four shows in like five days.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, cool, that artist is dancing wonderfully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that artist is not not necessarily.
Speaker 3: Do my sel in a dream world rights because it's
Speaker 3: a huge setlist. It's just like, you know, it's like,
Speaker 3: that's a completely different artist that you just mentioned. I
Speaker 3: was like, which is a great artist, by the way,
Speaker 3: but I was just like, don't compare me to someone
Speaker 3: who's completely different and like miming basically every night.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I could do that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're having us like wrap up where.
Speaker 4: We wrapped up from like five and what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: it's going to.
Speaker 1: Be homophobic if you don't allow us to do I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. We're doing We're doing everyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We're doing it.
Speaker 2: What do we do this is?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. This is our famous segment.
Speaker 1: I don't think so that we do on our show,
Speaker 1: which is we for sixty seconds. We ran to get
Speaker 1: something in pop culture that is grinding our gears. It's
Speaker 1: a way to expel our demons. We're gonna go Okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna love it. They're gonna I'm gonna go first,
Speaker 1: then bow and then you.
Speaker 2: Start with I saying I don't think so honey, blank
Speaker 2: the thing all right, Matt Rogers, I don't think so
Speaker 2: many as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Fucking with the ocean. Okay, I could have called you
Speaker 1: this years ago. Honey, don't go in there. Don't go
Speaker 1: down there because I'm telling you what. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the submersible, yeah, dove, of course that happened, and God rest.
Speaker 1: But also I don't care how many billions you have.
Speaker 1: It's not a good idea. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: going down to the Titanic.
Speaker 4: Wait, can I tell you something?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: And also not for nothing, but you know who I
Speaker 1: think was involved in this. The Orcas are coming something,
Speaker 1: so honey, that the Orcas are organizing. But yes, I do,
Speaker 1: because we've been fucked up to the Orcas. Tell it them,
Speaker 1: we see you grow wherever you're at. We Representalkham telling
Speaker 1: them God rest. I don't think some honey, even going
Speaker 1: into the ocean. You couldn't get me that submersible in
Speaker 1: the deep end of a pool. Let alone to the deep.
Speaker 1: Let Titanic be what it is, a grave film and
Speaker 1: a grave site for people that should be left to
Speaker 1: fuck alone. I don't think soonet to the ocean and
Speaker 1: fucking with it.
Speaker 4: I don't even like eels seals fish.
Speaker 1: No one seals fish now.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, wait wait, I did see this thing on
Speaker 3: the Discovery thing that was really cool. I think it
Speaker 3: was with will Smith and he went down and like
Speaker 3: a pod net looked different than what.
Speaker 4: The stay on lamb. No, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful though, Like I'm glad he did it so
Speaker 3: I don't have to, and we got the footage. I
Speaker 3: don't want to, but I'm glad someone does it because
Speaker 3: it's amazing to see what's down there. They went like
Speaker 3: down where like you know, people don't when you generally go,
Speaker 3: So that is cool. I see why people would want
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 1: But Kelly, okay, right to have one else.
Speaker 2: Kelly, when I say this sentence, how do you feel
Speaker 2: we know less about the deep than we do about space?
Speaker 1: I am?
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: Since I was a kid, I literally wanted to be
Speaker 3: ranbotsis like I remember, I love the ocean.
Speaker 4: Jaws did run that for me. But but I I
Speaker 4: just I love it. I think it's it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I do think exploring it is interesting, but exploring it
Speaker 3: respect like with respect, with respect much larger than us
Speaker 3: and like.
Speaker 1: You know, as count like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think we're destroying you know a lot of marine life,
Speaker 3: you know, so I they do it respectfully.
Speaker 4: But I do think it's interesting because you can learn
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: You never know, like scientifically speaking, what could be helpful,
Speaker 3: you know, basically.
Speaker 4: Speaking, Like I think they're things like you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's I don't want to do it, like, but I'm
Speaker 3: not someone else to do it, so I have the
Speaker 3: footage to leave it.
Speaker 1: Believe we've seen it. Like just everyone stay on the land.
Speaker 1: And also like did you see the video of what
Speaker 1: the submersible was. It's like a psych a genesis.
Speaker 4: Its like a PS two or something.
Speaker 2: It's any we programmed and a control for an Xbox
Speaker 2: to control this fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Anyway. Wow, okay, this is mine's about this thing too.
Speaker 1: Right here we go. Wow, Okay, this is topical culture.
Speaker 1: This is bowing. I don't think so many as time
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 2: These five people going to a fucking coffee shop right
Speaker 2: before they get on the submersible. These they interviewed the
Speaker 2: barista who talked to them, who gave them their coffee
Speaker 2: before they stepped into this little capsule.
Speaker 4: Are you talking about like who who's gotta go?
Speaker 2: Well, yes, because you're giving these people cold bruds before
Speaker 2: they go to the bottom the ocean where they have
Speaker 2: a fucking toilet. That's like they thought they were only
Speaker 2: going to be there for two and a half hours.
Speaker 2: And these poor people, I mean, may they rest. It's
Speaker 2: your lives have been thirty seconds. But you don't go
Speaker 2: to a coffee shop before even like an elevator ride.
Speaker 4: I don't do that performing on stage.
Speaker 1: I'm just going on stage like you got it. You
Speaker 1: gotta keep it all like you gotta keep it all together.
Speaker 1: You got to keep it all together.
Speaker 4: You'll be about timing.
Speaker 1: It's all about timing.
Speaker 2: You are going on a you have to on a
Speaker 2: fast before you go into the submersibles.
Speaker 1: I guess yes.
Speaker 2: And look, it's so sad what happened this this company
Speaker 2: Ocean Drive whatever there. It's supposed it's because it's titanium
Speaker 2: and they worked in a carbon I don't know all
Speaker 2: about I've just been That's why it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's sad it's fascinating. It's so I'm gonna say it's
Speaker 1: it's just fascinating. It's giving Triangle of sadness. Did you
Speaker 1: watch the movie Triangle of Sadness?
Speaker 4: Did I love it?
Speaker 3: The pal this scene that went on for decades, It
Speaker 3: was like everybody kept I Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you what. That man is a genius.
Speaker 3: I love that them getting drunk with the captain and yeah,
Speaker 3: And I didn't know what I was walking into.
Speaker 4: Like I just was at home my kids, like they're
Speaker 4: usually with me, but when.
Speaker 3: They go to their dad's like four days out of
Speaker 3: the month, I'm like, what, what do I want to
Speaker 3: watch this adult?
Speaker 4: And I was just like, I'll just put this on.
Speaker 4: And then I was like by the end of it.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell did I just watch?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So good? Yeah, okay, okay, this is Kelly.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, I get to go.
Speaker 1: You will not take it from me, And I understand,
Speaker 1: but I don't think time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, did anybody see social dilemma?
Speaker 3: Why are we all hooked to our phone? Like I'm
Speaker 3: selling an old person. But it's just like, why are
Speaker 3: we that interested in someone's coffee and what like?
Speaker 1: Not?
Speaker 3: You like, like, like why are we so interested in
Speaker 3: everybody else all the time? Why does everything need to
Speaker 3: be validated via It's just sad. It's a sad thing
Speaker 3: to live your life for likes. It's a sad thing
Speaker 3: that we project on our children, Like why are you
Speaker 3: letting your children do this?
Speaker 1: Anyway? Do you?
Speaker 4: There's your life how you want to.
Speaker 3: But it literally drives me nuts because I feel like
Speaker 3: it's just dumbing us down anyway.
Speaker 4: I know I sound like a forty year old, like
Speaker 4: I over it. I'm like, okay, whatever, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: All right, period, there you go said, touch grass, touch grass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all different kinds.
Speaker 1: Gummy, don't people would be happy? I can't believe that
Speaker 1: you gave us so much time. This is so cool.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this.
Speaker 4: Hey, I can't wait to do it again. I'm like
Speaker 4: in New York now, I know I'm just stop by.
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave you, and there is an
Speaker 1: open door policy for you.
Speaker 4: Don't invite me. Mom will show up.
Speaker 1: Thank you, congrats on the album. It's so good.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: And we do end every episode with a song. Okay,
Speaker 1: I am thinking starts there. If you want to hear that.
Speaker 1: Hopefully maybe she'll do it August eighteenth of Las Vegas, when.
Speaker 4: We're mile that's the last day.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay,