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Speaker 1: Quody balance. But Joseph Scott.

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Speaker 2: More I, for one, like the idea of having what's

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Speaker 3: Family plot can either say that you're maybe you have

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Speaker 3: something I think on one level that's kind of comforting.

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Speaker 3: That is, if you're buried on your family's property, he'll

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Speaker 3: be perpetually taken care of. Today, on Bodybacks, we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk about a fellow who literally decided to bury

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Speaker 3: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks. There's something comforting,

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Speaker 3: Dave about I think on one level about perpetual care.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I think it's more of a comfort to those

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Speaker 3: because I don't think the ones that have passed on

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Speaker 3: truly have an awareness of this sort of thing. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to address the spiritual, but I think scientifically,

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Speaker 3: I said, you don't have these very often, and you

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Speaker 3: There was a place in Atlanta, and you'll find this

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Speaker 3: kind of interesting. There was a place in Atlanta neighborhood

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Speaker 1: It's I bet it's like socks.

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Speaker 3: Well. It's actually a place where where people from Appalachia

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Speaker 3: But Cabbagetown in particular had these kind of interesting rolling

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Speaker 3: And there were these these families that had dwelled these

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Speaker 3: we had a fellow in Atlanta that had died, right,

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Speaker 3: he was domiciled in Cabbagetown. Well, his family wanted to

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Speaker 3: to pick up his remains, and they had signed all

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Speaker 1: By the way, really.

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Speaker 3: They wanted to handle picking him up. They didn't want

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Speaker 3: in the family plot. I was always fascinated by that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I love the fact that you said they got the

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Speaker 3: That yes they did. They they had gone through and

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Speaker 1: Well see, you see that sounds like a lot of love.

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Speaker 4: That's a family that has the family plot, and there's

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Speaker 4: you know, they're going to take care of their loved one.

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Speaker 4: But what we're dealing what we're dealing with here as communicate, communicate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 4: You know Joe, this loving son who when we look

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Speaker 4: at his parents' ages, they were ninety two. Yeah, Franz

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Speaker 4: Krause was ninety two and Teresa krousse eighty three. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's today, that's how old they would be today. But

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Speaker 4: and you're talking about Franz Crouse was eighty four and

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Speaker 4: their physical condition in a few minutes, but I just

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Speaker 4: to know that Lawrence Kraus wrote up this two page manifesto,

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Speaker 4: so to speak. You sent to every media outlet in town,

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Speaker 4: miss Krause for eight years, and they tried to reach

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Speaker 1: They tried to contact him over the years.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like it just started one day last week,

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Speaker 4: Couldn't couldn't do it. And that's when finally Social Security

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Speaker 4: So I just want to be clear on this because

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Speaker 1: This ain't his first rodeo. I will tell you that.

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Speaker 4: If you sit down with Greg Floyd, a forty five

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Speaker 4: But he didn't want to confess. He didn't want to see.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a brilliant piece of work. I hope

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Speaker 4: The news anchor's name is Greg Floyd. He works for

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Speaker 4: Channel six. It is it is something I should be

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Speaker 3: I think that it probably will because it wasn't elicited

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Speaker 3: you never know what they might say. Deranged, which is

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Speaker 4: You know, a lot of words are misapplied, they're misused.

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Speaker 4: I hate the term superstar. I hate the term bravery

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Speaker 4: that RGBTV was the target for this guy. Lawrence Krause

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Speaker 4: were still receiving Social Security payments despite not having been

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Speaker 1: Eight years. Joe, I think about that. Where were you

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Speaker 3: Oh lord, let's see where was I I had. I

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Speaker 3: Wasn't doing a podcast eight years ago. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's where I was. Here's the chilling thing

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Speaker 3: Rather and as it turns out, the new couple, the

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Speaker 3: But still you're going there's there's nothing like nature to

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Speaker 4: I'm amazed at the things I don't think about sometimes

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Speaker 4: Well, in this particular case, I have to wonder Joe

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Speaker 3: Who like were there? Did they have any living siblings?

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Speaker 4: According to him, they were World War two Nazi survivors,

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Speaker 3: And what's really fascinating about this, Dave, is that this case,

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Speaker 3: How did this work? What was your motivation for you know,

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Speaker 4: It makes you when you look at the history of

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Speaker 4: And when this two page email comes in from somebody

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00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: that they just found two bodies in the backyard, and he,

435
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: you know, he wants he wants his statement post.

436
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: That's where this whole thing started with.

437
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: The son, the the killer, the son or the alleged killer,

438
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 4: the admitted killer. I don't know the right word, but anyway,

439
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 4: Lawrence Krause sends an email to all the media, newspaper, radio, TV,

440
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 4: sends it out to everybody, and he's saying, I want

441
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 4: this posted. You know, I'm on your website. It's my

442
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 4: two page explanation of why they're in the backyard. And

443
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: nobody responded. And it's probably because there was probably nobody

444
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: at the radio stations there, you know, because they're all

445
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 4: brought in from outside nobody, you know, local radio and

446
00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 4: TV are not really local anymore. And so this one newsplace,

447
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 4: they are a man, and they did have a professional

448
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 4: in there. And so he reaches out and says, heay, what, buddy,

449
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 4: We'll post this on our website if you come in

450
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 4: for an interview.

451
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: So it's a little trade off here.

452
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 4: You know, you don't know if this guy is going

453
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: to go, you know, David Koresh, you know, wanting to

454
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 4: open up the Seven Seals before he gives you the truth.

455
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: But this guy said, okay, let's do it. And so

456
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 4: Floyd has like ten minutes to prepare ten minutes. So

457
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 4: in that ten minutes, he knows the bodies are in

458
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: the backyard, and he knows they're elderly, so he's probably

459
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 4: gonna assume they were getting some kind of payment here.

460
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 4: Money's coming in. There's gonna have to He's going to

461
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: justify something. And so once he gets him in there,

462
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: the son is trying to make it seem like he

463
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 4: was doing a suddenly duty, a child's way of taking

464
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: care of mom and dad. Well, just because somebody's old

465
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 4: doesn't mean they're headed for the dirt. You know, there

466
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 4: are a lot of people that are very old that

467
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: are living vibrant lives. You know, Clint Eastwood is still

468
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 4: directing movies and he's one hundred and fifty seven.

469
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, you're you're right. And you know,

470
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: one of the one of the things that he had

471
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: he had he had stated as his rationale I think

472
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: he's he's regarding this as a mercy killing. Essentially, that

473
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: is what it comes down to. And one of the

474
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: things that he had stated his rationale is his parents

475
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: were and again I'm kind of using my own words here,

476
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: that his parents were declining in health. And one of

477
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: one of the one of the reasons cited is that

478
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: his parents had had Uh the dad had been hit

479
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: at some point in time as a pedestrian and had,

480
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: you know, could not ambulate real well. Mom had had

481
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: cataract surgery. Now I got I got to tell you,

482
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: I didn't know cataract surgery was a qualification for you know,

483
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: for murder. But you know, if everybody in America that

484
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: had had cataract surgery, if that condemns you to death,

485
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 3: oh my lord, we'd lose at the population. That's a

486
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: that's the perspective he's coming from. Day.

487
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: I'm taking them out of their misery, Joe, my dad

488
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: not getting around like he used to him. Mom just

489
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 4: had cataract surgery. They're both they're old, and they're falling apart.

490
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: I'm just going to help them so they can die

491
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: in peace and at their own home. And again, this

492
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: guy's level of he needs to be a salesman, but

493
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 4: he's not. He's going to be selling in prison now.

494
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I don't understand it.

495
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: Now I know what he did. How did he accomplish

496
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 4: killing his mom and his dad?

497
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: Joe, listen, this is according to the interview, and it's

498
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: it is one of the more chilling things I've heard

499
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: in some time. And I've already shared this with you,

500
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: but I think our friends need to know. And this

501
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: is you know, actually from uh from the local the

502
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: local news outlet up there. He actually confesses and when

503
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: he confesses, he tells them in this taping that he

504
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: had in fact suffocated his father. Now, when you say suffocate,

505
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: that's very specific because it's suffocation, just like other ways

506
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: to compromise the airway are considered to be as phixial deaths,

507
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 3: which is phixial means that you're depriving someone of oxygen. Okay,

508
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: so how would you go about suffocating somebody? Well, there

509
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: are any number of ways, uh, suffocation, smothering. You know, you

510
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: begin to think about using a pillow, place a plastic

511
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: bag over somebody's head or even even the hand. Uh,

512
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: if they're in a debilitated state, which you know, he

513
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: he's making the argument that they're physically compromised at this

514
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: point in time in their lives. Would you would you

515
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: hold your hand pinch your dad's nose and hold holds

516
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: your hand over his mouth? What what kind of person

517
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: would do this to their father? And then he makes

518
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: this is the real chilling party kills his dad at

519
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 3: this point in tom Then he says, and get this, David,

520
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: that his mother laid her head on the chest of

521
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: her now deceased husband, and the son stated allegedly that

522
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: he allowed her to be with the man for a

523
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: couple of hours. And then he pooks the exclamation point

524
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: by saying, I put her out of her misery by

525
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: using a rope. So now he's suffocated his dad allegedly

526
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: and has taken a rope wrapped around his mama's throat

527
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: and choked the life out of her with it. Now

528
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: that's a ligature strangulation. Again, it falls under the broad

529
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: category of his sphyxial death. And he sees this apparently

530
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: as a mercy killing, that this was merciful. But then

531
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: you have to decide at this point in time, what's

532
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: going to do with mom and dad? And apparently he

533
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: lingered for some time thinking about this, maybe a couple

534
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: of days, thinking about, you know, how do I dispose

535
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: the remains. One of the most fascinating aspects to people

536
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: that kill individuals to me, and they do it in

537
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: a manner where it's unseen. This isn't some kind of

538
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: public attack or something like that, and they're trying to

539
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: cover it up. Always amazed by the psychology of these people.

540
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: Dave this idea that they kill someone, but yet they

541
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: want to keep the body near them, you know. It's

542
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 3: almost like they're they're controlling the remains years after. They

543
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: can keep tabs on who's coming and going, who's around

544
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 3: the area, you know, things like that, you know, and

545
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: I've often wondered what the psychology behind that is, you know,

546
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: thinking about can you imagine, you know, making you a

547
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: cup of coffee, You're sitting at the breakfast nook, You're

548
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: looking out the window, and there the grassy plane behind

549
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: the house. I wonder, I wonder how Mom and Dad

550
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: are doing, you know, in their subterranean dwelling that I

551
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: created for them eight years earlier. It just it absolutely

552
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: baffles me. And then to couple that with with what

553
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: with the fact that this guy goes on on a

554
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: in a broadcast and actually it missed to this day.

555
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 4: You know, I have to wonder Joe breaking down how

556
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: he admitted he killed them to put them out of

557
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: their misery, sent them home. However, he wanted to look

558
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: at it based on the Social Security Administration beginning the investigation,

559
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 4: and I believe they were the ones that I actually

560
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 4: asked for a welfare check because there were some question marks,

561
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 4: and the neighbors thought that the Crosses hadn't moved back

562
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 4: to Germany.

563
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: That's what neighbors said.

564
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: They thought because they hadn't seen him around, thought they

565
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 4: went back to Germany. So I have to wonder Social

566
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: Security administration, they're looking into financial crimes, all targeted at

567
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 4: the son who's living in the home. Can't find mom

568
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: and dad. They didn't go back to Germany, Well where

569
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: are they? And that's when all of this kind of

570
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: came to the forefront. But I have to ask you,

571
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: when you kill somebody like that, not you, but generally speaking,

572
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: people die at your hand. Now he decides to bury

573
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: them in the backyard, how long are we talking about

574
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 4: from the time they die till the time you decompositions

575
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: that's in. You've gone over rigamortis, ragamortis, Oh yeah, and

576
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: all of that, because they still have to be buried.

577
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 4: They don't have to be put somewhere and they're going

578
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: to be decomposing. So what are we talking about from

579
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 4: the time they die inside the house and the time

580
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: he can get them in the backyard, you know, in

581
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: the flower bed, what are we talking about in terms of.

582
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: Well, here's an interesting thing. I think we may have

583
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: mentioned this before, but if if they were let's say

584
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: that they had died. Uh, I hate to box myself

585
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: in with specific time, but let's just say that they

586
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: had died. Just for grins and giggles, will say that

587
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: they had died and they had been in the ground

588
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: for one year, and you had an indication as an

589
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: investigator that they were buried back there. But you nowhere

590
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: you could go in with like a methane probe, you

591
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 3: know where you're taking taking this and you're taking samples

592
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: where you're sticking the probe into the ground. And one

593
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: of the things with organic material, when it decomposes, it

594
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: gives off methane gas, and so you're looking for like

595
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: a spike in the methane something that like if you

596
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: have normal organic material safe you had a composting bin,

597
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: for instance, in your backyard where people will put coffee

598
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: grounds and dog poop and leaves and all that, and

599
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 3: they'll turn it periodically. You know, you would have you

600
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: would have it would produce methane. Okay, a good example

601
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: of that. I'll give you a great example of that.

602
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: One of the things that happens down in the swamps

603
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: in New Orleans we have and I think this happens

604
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: in Florida too, you have swamp fires. And one of

605
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: the things that happens with swamp fires, our highways would

606
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: get covered with smoke. Have these little methane methane fires

607
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: that will break out in the swamp because of the

608
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: decomposing organic matter, and they might be in multiple places

609
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: and it'll catch a blaze, sometimes just spontaneously. So that's

610
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: the power of something decomposing. There's always decomposition going on

611
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: in swampy areas. So if you introduce a body into

612
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: you know, this non sealed situation, like a cascaded body,

613
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: you're not going to find methane production there. But if

614
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: you've buried a body like that, one of the ways

615
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: that they do it. You would, You could stick a

616
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: probe into the ground. But these people are not fresh

617
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: dead day. We're talking eight years down the road.

618
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: I would.

619
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: Okay, you're going to have you're going to have bone

620
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: that is left behind. I don't know what state the

621
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: bone would necessarily be in a lot of it's going

622
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: to be dependent upon the pH of the soil, you know,

623
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 3: is it more acid or is it more base. You're

624
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: going to have to take into consideration water flow through

625
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: the area because oh yeah, because it will rise and fall.

626
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: We talked about this with a well lady. But you

627
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: also have this even in ground burials like this. The

628
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: other thing that people that people don't think about. You

629
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 3: know how we always talk about the earth just keeps

630
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: on spinning and it keeps on moving. Well, the earth

631
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: is actually earth. The substrata is actually moving as well.

632
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: People don't realize this. It's a process called turbation. And

633
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: so the soil actually kind of if you will, think

634
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: about the slowest turning tumble dryer you've ever seen. All right,

635
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 3: maybe just time of bits, all right, the earth actually

636
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: does the sub subterranean the strata actually does turn like this,

637
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: and so you'll have changes in skeletal remains where it

638
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: let's just say that both mom and Dad are buried

639
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: in the same grave. You've got them laid out in there,

640
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 3: and now they're reduced to skeletal remains. You can have

641
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: these commingled remains, which is kind of a headache for

642
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: those that are doing the recovery. Now it's great, I

643
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: think investigatively that you'll have it all concentrated there, perhaps

644
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: unless you've had some kind of subterranean burrowing animal that

645
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: would get down there and you know, extricate some bit

646
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 3: of that that's that's left behind. But they should still

647
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Speaker 3: be there. Now there's things that are going on with

648
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: the skeletal remains that can cause them to begin to

649
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: break down more so, and a lot of that goes

650
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: with the environment that they're buried in. The chemicals, you know,

651
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: the chemical status of the soil. You know, I'd mentioned,

652
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: you know what the pH level was, those sorts of things.

653
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: And the other thing is do they have any external

654
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: covering like where the cocoon and also are their clothing. Now,

655
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: if you've got let's say that you have synthetics, synthetic

656
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: you know, ray on, uh, your polyesters, those sorts of

657
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: things if the clothing is still that clothing is very resilient.

658
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: But if you have natural fibers, you know, things like cotton,

659
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 3: for instance, or wool, it might tend to break down

660
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: a little bit more. You might not have as much remnant,

661
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 3: but things like zippers, buttons, medical devices. Let's you say

662
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: that they they had had surgery. Maybe you have a

663
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 3: subject that has had a screw put into a bone.

664
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Speaker 3: Do that surgical still is still going to be their brother,

665
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: so you'll be able to see it.

666
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Speaker 4: That's you have to drink testing in the cave at

667
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: the beach and Planet of the Apes.

668
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you're gonna, Yeah, you're gonna find all

669
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 3: that there.

670
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Speaker 4: Let me ask you about this because one of the

671
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 4: tips that they had, okay, it started as a financial crime,

672
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 4: with solid security and all that, they brought cadaver dogs

673
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: out to the property, and the cadaver dogs hit John.

674
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 4: They hadn't been seen in eight years. They're buried in

675
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: the background, but cadaver dogs could still get it.

676
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Their spectrum is quite amazing, you know what, And

677
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: it might be something that you and I obviously would

678
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: because we've had a very limited all factory spectrum. You know,

679
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: compared to compared to canines. Canines are amazing. You and

680
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: I are both you know, huge dog lovers anyway, Yeah,

681
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: and so it's amazing what dogs are capable of, these

682
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: working dogs. So yet, now, I don't put a lot

683
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 3: of stock in dogs that you take out the lakes,

684
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, and put them on the bow of a boat,

685
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: and they allegedly can smell things. I think that's kind

686
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: of a hit or miss proposition. But you give me

687
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: a cadaver dog any day and run them out in

688
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: the woods. Now, there have been cases where they have failed.

689
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: They've walked right over bodies. I think my question would be,

690
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: with those dogs that fail to smell things, how well

691
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 3: were they trained to begin with? You know, I think

692
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: a lot of that goes to the handler and also

693
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: the evaluation of the of the animal. You know, are

694
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: they are they ticking all the boxes relative.

695
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 4: To this, I saw eight years the last time these

696
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 4: people are seeing, we know they're gone and these.

697
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 3: That's something yeah that they But you know, here here's

698
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: the real problem. Even though he's saying that he did this,

699
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: and I'm assuming that the corner slash medical examiner is

700
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: going to rule their deaths at some point tom as

701
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: a homicide if they haven't already at this point. Here's

702
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: here's the thing. You're not going to have any tissue

703
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: left behind to be able to make a diagnosis of

704
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: Like you know, like he talked about having used a

705
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 3: rope to quote unquote doing air quotes right here to

706
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: quote unquote put his mama out of her misery. Well,

707
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: we would be looking for furrows in the neck. I

708
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: don't know, like certain people I won't mention their name,

709
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: but their initials are Epstein, you know, where you're looking

710
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: for a furrow on the surface of the neck. That's

711
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: not going to be evidenced with her because that's that

712
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: tissues no longer going to exist at this point. The

713
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: only thing you could possibly hope for is if some

714
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: of the structures of the neck may have been fractured,

715
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 3: the skeletal structures, and if there's any evidence of that.

716
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: If you're suffocating, somebody's suffocation is not this It's not

717
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: quite as violent as you know, taking a rope, you know,

718
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 3: and like senching it up on an elderly woman's neck

719
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: and doing that sort of thing. If you're putting a

720
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 3: pillow over someone's face to stuff them or a hand

721
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: or a bag or whatever it is. It's not going

722
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: to leave a tremendous amount of trauma, certainly, no trauma

723
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: that I think, and I might be proven wrong. I've

724
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: been wrong before that you know that you're not going

725
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: to you know that you're going to be able to appreciate.

726
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: So I don't know, we'll we'll keep our eye on it,

727
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 3: and you know, kind of see what happens in this case.

728
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 3: I know that you know. I don't want to put

729
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: words in your mouth, but one of the reasons you

730
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: know I pitched this this case to you is it's

731
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: one of the more bizarre things that we've actually had

732
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: happen in recent memory. I don't know if you concur.

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Speaker 4: With before you think this is a slam dunk. Let

734
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 4: me share one quick side note. All right, please, let's

735
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: just say, for the sake of argument, that this guy

736
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Speaker 4: who goes on TV and confesses that they found the

737
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: financial crimes and all that, but what if, what if

738
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 4: after everything's said and done, Joe, they find out this

739
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: guy is a true crime fan who wanted to start

740
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 4: his own podcast and this was the best way for

741
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 4: him to launch it. But really what happened it was

742
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: a murder suicide. His dad killed her, his mom, and

743
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: then he suffocated himself. And the son was so humiliated

744
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 4: by what had happened to his heroic parents that he

745
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: took care of their bodies. He did his you know,

746
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 4: and he used this as the stepping stone to launch

747
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 4: his own career in true crime.

748
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: But he didn't actually kill his parents.

749
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 4: He did put their bodies in the backyard, but he

750
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 4: did that out of love and devotion. He did not

751
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 4: want the memory of his father to you know what

752
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: about something like that coming down the pike. I'm telling you, friends,

753
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: if oj Simpson can walk out of court a free man,

754
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 4: their stories can work as well.

755
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: It ain't a slam dunk.

756
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 3: I got to take something, brother Dave. In the world

757
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: that we live in now, confessions on television, burials in

758
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: the backyard, sons that disregard the lives of their loving

759
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: parents that survived Nazi Germany, nothing nowadays surprises me. Everything

760
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: is on the table. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this

761
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: is body bags