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Speaker 2: This is a big episode Tuesday, November sixteenth, Just Baseball Show,
Speaker 2: Jack mcmull and Peter Apple. To be honest, this feels
Speaker 2: like our full season recap, but individually MLB the All
Speaker 2: MLB Team, right, that's going to be announced. We're gonna
Speaker 2: fill out our Just Baseball ballot for the All MLB Team.
Speaker 2: This really does feel like a season in review, lauding
Speaker 2: the accomplishments of the best players in baseball.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and also when we were deciding on how we
Speaker 1: were going to do it right, we were thinking, should
Speaker 1: you have your own MLB team? And I have my
Speaker 1: own and then we argue. But when you consider how
Speaker 1: many players need to be talked about, and if you
Speaker 1: add the arguments into it, we're looking at a five
Speaker 1: hour podcast. So we saved all the arguments for the
Speaker 1: pre recording and this is both of our all MLB team,
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited. I am very excited because I mean,
Speaker 1: what's more fun than this? I mean maybe giving out
Speaker 1: billions of dollars in contracts, but also just saying who
Speaker 1: was the best of twenty twenty one?
Speaker 2: I love it, and just paying homage to the freaks
Speaker 2: that are in our game, which is very fun. Yet
Speaker 2: we couldn't get away with a five hour podcast. We
Speaker 2: don't have the clout that Joe Rogan has. Also, on
Speaker 2: a Joe Rogan related note, I'm getting my booster shot
Speaker 2: today for the vaccine, So very excited about that.
Speaker 1: Go get your shots.
Speaker 2: I feel great and I cannot wear a mask in
Speaker 2: bars and I feel fine.
Speaker 1: It's the crazy thing about New York City too. Vaccine
Speaker 1: passport or you're just not getting in anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard it Clear, No, it's clear It Clear
Speaker 2: is an app that you can have like your proof
Speaker 2: of vaccination on. But it's also like TSA pre Check
Speaker 2: on steroids in yeah, a bunch of different airports. So like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the difference is. John Rothstein is
Speaker 2: like the best college basketball follow on Twitter, and he's
Speaker 2: got one of his quick one liners where you know,
Speaker 2: he's just like, you know, Chris Holtman, more meticulous at
Speaker 2: a forensics officer, that type of thing. Villanova basketball has
Speaker 2: become a Fortune five hundred company. His one that he
Speaker 2: started with is TSA pre Check Life Altering and now
Speaker 2: it's clear TSA pre Check on Steroids or something like that,
Speaker 2: and it apparently it's awesome. So I got to look
Speaker 2: into Clear.
Speaker 1: So we mentioned the steroids part. You just mentioned steroids,
Speaker 1: and I saw in yesterday's On Monday's podcast episode you
Speaker 1: and arm were talking about steroids. I haven't gotten a
Speaker 1: chance to listen because we're recording kind of early on Monday.
Speaker 1: Can you just elaborate on a little bit of the
Speaker 1: steroids because I saw steroids might be coming back, and
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what the hell did you guys
Speaker 1: talk about Yeah? No, So what we were talking about
Speaker 1: was this is this is the deciding year for steroids
Speaker 1: in baseball history in terms of the Hall of Fame vote.
Speaker 1: So you've got Bonds and Clemens on their tenth year
Speaker 1: on the ballot, so if they don't make it this year,
Speaker 1: they're off and it's up to the senior vote to
Speaker 1: get them in.
Speaker 2: This is also a Rod and Poppy's first year on
Speaker 2: the ballot, So if Bons and Clemens get in, a
Speaker 2: Rod and Poppy should be first ballot Hall of Famers.
Speaker 2: But if Bon's and Clemens don't get in, then that
Speaker 2: probably means that a Rod and Poppy are not getting in.
Speaker 2: There are ten years on there, and if they do
Speaker 2: in like year four or five, then it's unfair to
Speaker 2: Bonds and Clemens, who were objectively better at baseball and
Speaker 2: should be in the Hall of Fame as opposed to
Speaker 2: a Rod and Poppy.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of setting the precedent right, because
Speaker 1: I don't think that keeping a Mark maguire or a
Speaker 1: Sammy Sosa out of the Hall of Fame means that
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens shouldn't make it, Because I
Speaker 1: think we all know that. Maybe we don't all know
Speaker 1: this for sure, but I think it's you know, probable
Speaker 1: that Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds, along with Alex Rodriguez,
Speaker 1: would have made the Hall of Fame without steroids, which
Speaker 1: is so hard to say, but I feel like we
Speaker 1: all kind of believe it. So if Bonds, okay, throw
Speaker 1: it back to you, do you think that they get
Speaker 1: in and would you put them in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I don't think that they get in. I personally would
Speaker 2: put them in, and I agree I would too.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I elaborate on this more in yesterday's podcast, So go
Speaker 2: back and listen to Monday's Just Baseball Show if you
Speaker 2: want my full thoughts on this. But Dan Bernstein, who
Speaker 2: was a sports talk host in Chicago, longtime sports talk hoost,
Speaker 2: has a great perspective on what the Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: is now.
Speaker 1: It's a museum.
Speaker 2: It is a museum that chronicles what happens in baseball's history.
Speaker 2: The steroid era was part of baseball history, and you
Speaker 2: could make it the argument that the best hitter ever
Speaker 2: was a victim of the steroid era or a subject
Speaker 2: of the steroid era. Right, he might have been one
Speaker 2: of the villains of the steroid era, Barry Bonds.
Speaker 1: If you had to take.
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds's career numbers and put them up against anybody,
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds is probably the greatest hitter of all time.
Speaker 2: Maybe Hank maybe Willie Mays. But like I'm taking Barry
Speaker 2: Bonds's numbers, the OGP, there are years where he had
Speaker 2: an OBP near six hundred.
Speaker 1: He just I mean, he got one pitcher game and
Speaker 1: hit it out, and then the other they would just
Speaker 1: walk him. They intentionally walked him with the bases loaded. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's why when I'm looking back on the greatest picture
Speaker 1: of all time, I sometimes am like, you know what,
Speaker 1: Page Martinez is the greatest pitcher ever because not only
Speaker 1: was he the elite of the elite in terms of
Speaker 1: the numbers across baseball history just some of those specific seasons,
Speaker 1: but when you move when you realize that he was
Speaker 1: doing it against a bunch of dudes who are roided up,
Speaker 1: and he has a pitcher was never accused or tested
Speaker 1: positive for steroids either. So that's why I say Pago
Speaker 1: Martinez might be the best pitcher of all time because
Speaker 1: he pitched in the toughest ERA four pitchers. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: stacks up against the greats, you know.
Speaker 2: And you could also make the argument that that's why
Speaker 2: Griffy is the greatest player of all time because Ken
Speaker 2: Griffy Junior did this clean while other people were doing
Speaker 2: it not clean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Willie Mays is still better than Ken Griffy
Speaker 1: jeer all the time. I mean, what was Willy May's dirty?
Speaker 2: We don't know, no, But like I'm saying, I mean,
Speaker 2: Griffy's got comparable numbers to Willie Mays.
Speaker 1: But we can spend Yeah, many, we got to get
Speaker 1: into All MLB.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have multiple Hall of Fame episodes. Let's talk
Speaker 2: All MLB team. I love that this is something that
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball is doing now because first team All NBA,
Speaker 2: first Team All Defense, like that is sick if your
Speaker 2: first or second team All NBA.
Speaker 1: I always thought it was cool, especially first I kind
Speaker 1: of wish I guess Gold Gloves is first team All Defense.
Speaker 1: But we've gotten in this conversation before. They just don't
Speaker 1: do that great a job at deciding the Gold Glove winner,
Speaker 1: so we don't really get a first team All Defense.
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, but somebody we're going to get into right away,
Speaker 2: won a Gold Glove this year when they just should
Speaker 2: not have won a Gold Glove.
Speaker 1: This, Yeah, yeah, that's how it. Yeah, it's not. But
Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: We're gonna give you a rundown of the All MLB
Speaker 2: candidates and you can vote on MLB dot com. Just
Speaker 2: search all MLB Team vote and you can vote there.
Speaker 2: There are like eight to ten candidates per position listed,
Speaker 2: more for outfielders and starting pitchers. But the way that
Speaker 2: the vote works is a lot like an All Star vote.
Speaker 2: You select one at each position, including DH You select
Speaker 2: five starting pitchers and two relievers. Three outfielders you select
Speaker 2: as well. So we're going to run through We're going
Speaker 2: to give you a brief statistical rundown of each candidate,
Speaker 2: tell you why they're worthy. We also put together our
Speaker 2: All MLB team, so we will tell you the winners
Speaker 2: at the end of each position, breaking it down. We're
Speaker 2: also going to run through the team at the end
Speaker 2: of the pot. Right Like, this is gonna take a
Speaker 2: lot of time, So let's.
Speaker 1: Yeah that we got There's a lot of players and
Speaker 1: a lot of players that deserve some love too, So yeah,
Speaker 1: we got. Let's just start with first base.
Speaker 2: Hey, before U before we get into this. About an
Speaker 2: hour ago, the Beloit Snappers, the high affiliate for the Marlins,
Speaker 2: totally rebranded and they are now the Beloit Skycarp.
Speaker 1: The names in minor league baseball, I don't get them.
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're kind of hilarious, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you're the voice of the ten Caps. What the hell
Speaker 1: is a ten cap?
Speaker 2: It's an apple that wears a pot on its head.
Speaker 1: Uh, what's wrong with like being like the Hawks or
Speaker 1: the Eagles or the Lions. I mean these are all
Speaker 1: just kind of basic butt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like the Skycarp, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It makes my league. Let's talk first base.
Speaker 2: Let's start with the guy that won a Gold Glove
Speaker 2: but shouldn't have won a Gold Glove. Paul Goldschmidt should
Speaker 2: be considered he had a negative defensive war, but he
Speaker 2: still won a gold. He's been a really good defensive
Speaker 2: first baseman the entirety of his career, so this felt
Speaker 2: like a benefit of the doubt thing. But Paul Goldschmidt
Speaker 2: was sneaky with a two ninety four clip, thirty one
Speaker 2: bombs and ninety nine RBIs is Goldie back.
Speaker 1: Well, these absolutely back. I don't know if he ever
Speaker 1: really left. Yeah, I think maybe he had some down
Speaker 1: seasons according to him and a guy we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into later, Mookie Betts, a down season according to him,
Speaker 1: but still elite, and I feel like Goldschman has ranked
Speaker 1: with the elite first basemans for a while now. The
Speaker 1: only question that in Paul Goldschmith's career is whether he
Speaker 1: becomes a Hall of Famer when it's all said and done.
Speaker 1: I mean, Goldschman has turned in a fantastic career and
Speaker 1: he turned in another phenomenal season in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to do more, and his problem was
Speaker 2: he kind of dipped into obscurity with Arizona for a
Speaker 2: little bit. But he's putting up crazy good numbers. Remember
Speaker 2: he started really poorly this year. He almost kind of
Speaker 2: gave me Kevin Love vibes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the Timberwolves putting up twenty three and fourteen,
Speaker 1: with the Diamondbacks just hitting three hundred and thirty bombs. No,
Speaker 1: but he's noticing. Then he goes over the Cardinals. Doesn't
Speaker 1: have a great start, like you said, Also, not a
Speaker 1: great start to twenty twenty one, but then the second
Speaker 1: half it was like, I'm one of the best first basement.
Speaker 1: I might be the best first basement in baseball, maybe
Speaker 1: outside of our winner. So he definitely deserves to be
Speaker 1: in this mention totally.
Speaker 2: Joey Vado another guy that we got to mention one
Speaker 2: forty WRC plus. Vado put together the third best power
Speaker 2: season of his career at age thirty seven. His two
Speaker 2: better seasons power wise resulted in an NLMVP and a
Speaker 2: second place finish in NLMVP. This was also the highest
Speaker 2: strikeout rate of his career, but he surrendered the insane
Speaker 2: bat to ball skills for more home runs and more
Speaker 2: RBIs and it worked for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Vado still bangs, that's all I gotta say. Still bangs.
Speaker 1: It's so cool to see him back too, because he's
Speaker 1: one of the more likable players to watch in baseball
Speaker 1: as well. I just love that Joey Vado had this
Speaker 1: type of season and he's back at the conversation for
Speaker 1: all MLB team It's crazy.
Speaker 2: He's also funny as hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great. I love everything about him.
Speaker 2: His interactions with the fans are great and they're wholesome
Speaker 2: or they're hilarious at the fans being a dick.
Speaker 1: Hold you accountable too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly our third guy to be considered. But you know,
Speaker 2: his close no cigar was future New York Yankee Matt Olson.
Speaker 2: Eighth in baseball with a one forty six WRC plus
Speaker 2: thirty nine bombs one hundred and eleven RBIs struck out
Speaker 2: seventeen percent of the time, which is low, walked thirteen
Speaker 2: percent of the time.
Speaker 1: He's a really good hitter. Probably finishes two I would say,
Speaker 1: probably the second best season out of first baseman this year,
Speaker 1: and it's looking increasingly increasingly like he will be a
Speaker 1: future New York Yankee. But for the A's he was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: And also it's so hard to hit in Oakland to
Speaker 1: have that type of offensive season. I mean, we haven't
Speaker 1: seen offensive seasons like that since twenty fourteen. Donaldson and
Speaker 1: matt Olsen turned that type of season. He's a stud
Speaker 1: and put him in Yankee Stadium look pretty good.
Speaker 2: Hey, doesn't Matt Olsen feel like the kid that would
Speaker 2: get off the bus when you were playing like a
Speaker 2: home game in high school? He was the kid that
Speaker 2: got off the bus that you looked at and was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, he's gonna rip my heart out.
Speaker 1: I remember looking at Jack Flaherty faced him in high school.
Speaker 1: He's on the Mount of usc just so much more athletic,
Speaker 1: just so much bigger. And that's how matt Olsen looks
Speaker 1: like in the majors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, I mean with that big goal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like, how are you going to get
Speaker 1: him out?
Speaker 2: I don't know. He doesn't get out often.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm excited for him moving forward to
Speaker 1: because was this a season that we should come to
Speaker 1: expect for Matt Olson? Was this a peak year? I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly, but I know he's going to be
Speaker 1: a very good player for a long time.
Speaker 2: We got to look at this home run Derby can
Speaker 2: testants with the lowest strikeout rate, Like I bet Soto
Speaker 2: is a little bit lower, but Matt Olson's not far
Speaker 2: off at seventeen percent. So a home run Derby participant
Speaker 2: with those bat to ball skills, that's a very enticing player.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That is a very enticing player.
Speaker 2: Our selection for the All MLB first baseman is I
Speaker 2: think a shoe in here. Vladdie Guerrero Junior. He led
Speaker 2: major League Baseball with forty eight home runs.
Speaker 1: He was tied with.
Speaker 2: Sal Perez in that clip. He led major League baseball
Speaker 2: with three hundred and sixty three total bases. Total bases
Speaker 2: is every time you get on base, they add the
Speaker 2: bases you get out of the batter's box. So a
Speaker 2: single is one total base, a triple is three, a
Speaker 2: home runs four. He led baseball in total bases, He
Speaker 2: led baseball in runs scored. He was getting on base
Speaker 2: all the time. He was second in WRC plus only
Speaker 2: to Bryce. He was one of two players with Bryce
Speaker 2: with an OPS over one thousand. He was Fangrafts the
Speaker 2: leader in offensive war. Laddie Junior puts together one of
Speaker 2: the best hitting seasons we've seen in quite some time.
Speaker 1: And I could keep going into his numbers in the
Speaker 1: regular season of how amazing he was. We could just
Speaker 1: keep listening him off what he let in. But I
Speaker 1: want to take you back to the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: spring training, even before spring training, this was a guy
Speaker 1: who looked like a potential superstar but just was straight
Speaker 1: up fat. He was a fat guy. He was big,
Speaker 1: he was bulky. The blue Jay said, you gotta drop weight,
Speaker 1: and once you drop weight, You're gonna become one of
Speaker 1: the best hitters in baseball, and he's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: all right, drops forty pounds, walks into spring training has
Speaker 1: I think at the time, nine of the top ten
Speaker 1: hardest hits in spring training was raking balls. And we
Speaker 1: said at the beginning of the season, this is the
Speaker 1: Vladimir Row Junior coming out party, and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: He was a hair away from winning the Triple Crown.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only question now is is vladimirk Er Junior already
Speaker 1: a top ten player or do we need one more season,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I feel like this is what we
Speaker 1: should expect going forward, but I don't know. We only
Speaker 1: did it once.
Speaker 2: So if he gets anywhere close to doing this again,
Speaker 2: he is, and every number can take a dip. But
Speaker 2: if he gets in the same ballpark in all these
Speaker 2: categories again, he's a top ten hitter in baseball.
Speaker 1: Easy. He might be a top five hitter in baseball.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying. Maybe it's just a straight hitter.
Speaker 1: You could call him top three, you could.
Speaker 2: Call him top three, you can ten right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's fringe. It's just if you
Speaker 1: called him a top ten player, I'd be like, makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you didn't and said I need you to see
Speaker 1: a little bit more, I'd be like, yeah, totally fine.
Speaker 1: But I think we all understand the talent level is
Speaker 1: top ten. He had a share of the home run
Speaker 1: title with forty eight. Do you get to cash out
Speaker 1: on that? What were yours when you said Vladdie to
Speaker 1: lead the league in bombs plus forty four hundred? Lost?
Speaker 1: He didn't lead the league home runs.
Speaker 2: He had to share of the league lead. That's not
Speaker 2: leading the league.
Speaker 1: Didn't lead the league. That's no, no, no. I think
Speaker 1: that's why the odds were how they were. Plus forty
Speaker 1: four hundred. He had to lead the league in home runs, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But he did.
Speaker 1: But he didn't. But he did, but I know he
Speaker 1: died for the league. It was a very small bet,
Speaker 1: so I'm not too upset about it. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: did se plus forty four hundred, and I will give
Speaker 1: him credit for absolutely nailing that. Thank you. Let's go
Speaker 1: to second base.
Speaker 2: A guy that should be considered on the All MLB
Speaker 2: team is Brandon Laue with the Tampa Bay Rays. Loo
Speaker 2: hitting thirty nine homers, is weirder than Mitch Hanneger hitting
Speaker 2: thirty nine homers. Both those guys are just like, what
Speaker 2: the hell? He had an eight to sixty three and
Speaker 2: a one thirty seven WRC. Plus I know you watched
Speaker 2: Lao all the time. Being in the Al East just
Speaker 2: breaks the power with him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a guy who's gonna get you
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty foot home runs, but I mean
Speaker 1: we're talking three to eighty line drive out of the
Speaker 1: park forty times. Yeah, I know, he's just But the
Speaker 1: thing is he's also he strics out a lot, and personally,
Speaker 1: I just watching him as a Yankee to Array, I
Speaker 1: hated him, which goes to show how good he was.
Speaker 1: But he's also not been that great in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But over the span of twenty twenty one, Brendon Lao
Speaker 1: deserves to be in this conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my thing with Lao was there was just no
Speaker 2: sex appeal with him. There was some sex appeal with
Speaker 2: a lot of other guys in Tampa, but like, nothing
Speaker 2: about watching Brandon Lao had me hot and bothered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he doesn't do anything amazing, but he does
Speaker 1: everything well. And that goes to say for a lot
Speaker 1: of players on this list. They may not be No.
Speaker 1: Number One in one thing, but they're top five and
Speaker 1: a lot of things. And Brandon Le's not top five
Speaker 1: and a lot of things, but he still is very
Speaker 1: good across the board. The only thing I would improve
Speaker 1: is about the ball skills. When he hit thirty nine
Speaker 1: them runs and you're still getting on base and you
Speaker 1: have a solid ops and you're kind of making up
Speaker 1: for it in other ways, I say, you know what,
Speaker 1: You're still a beast. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Joey Vado had a transcendent power season for him. So
Speaker 2: did Jose Altuve, who should also be considered for all
Speaker 2: MLB's second base. Altuve had the best power season of
Speaker 2: his career. He hit thirty one homers, which tied a
Speaker 2: career high. He had eighty three RBIs, which was the
Speaker 2: second highest total of his career. He had the lowest
Speaker 2: strikeout rate that he has put up since twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: and he had the highest walk rate in his career,
Speaker 2: so he was seeing more pitches, he was picking the
Speaker 2: right ones, and little Man hit thirty one bombs.
Speaker 1: Hall of famer, I mean, one of the clutches, one
Speaker 1: of the clutchest players. We also had a conversation about
Speaker 1: clutch that clutch isn't real. And it's an interesting conversation
Speaker 1: because when you hear me say that clutch isn't real,
Speaker 1: you're like.
Speaker 2: What why do you say that?
Speaker 1: Because all I'm hearing and I'm not I haven't made
Speaker 1: my full decision yet. But when you consider what a
Speaker 1: clutch player is, it's a player who comes up big
Speaker 1: in clutch moments, like with high leverage situations. More often
Speaker 1: than not, the good players often come up big in
Speaker 1: high leverage situations. Does that necessarily mean they're clutch or
Speaker 1: does that just mean that they're good? I think when
Speaker 1: we're talking about the word clutch, we should consider really
Speaker 1: good players and who was better in high leverage situations
Speaker 1: and that makes them more clutch. But I'm also and
Speaker 1: especially that variance in the stat on fangrafs too, how
Speaker 1: someone like a Derek Jeeter could have a positive clutch
Speaker 1: percentage and the negative year over year and not be
Speaker 1: every So it's it's a very complicated conversation and I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have a strong opinion either way. I you
Speaker 1: know a guy's clutch, if he's clutched, we don't have
Speaker 1: to go that far. Into it. But JOSEL. Tuve has
Speaker 1: had a lot of clutch moments, especially in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: He's one of the all time playoff leaders in home runs.
Speaker 1: Jose Altuve, the five foot four Jose Altuve is one
Speaker 1: of the playoff leaders in home runs.
Speaker 2: For a long time, I thought clutch was about, you know,
Speaker 2: guys stepping up to the big moment. I think my
Speaker 2: newer way of thinking about it is, while there are
Speaker 2: a very select few that do step up to the moment,
Speaker 2: guys are Brandon clutch because they don't fall in the moment.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys cave. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of guys like the moment gets in their head.
Speaker 2: And the guys who who don't get all caught up
Speaker 2: in the moment, those guys are just more clutch. So
Speaker 2: I like that everybody else going down and you staying
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 1: That's what I think it is. I think it's should
Speaker 1: be when we're comparing good players and who is continually
Speaker 1: rising to the occasion and who falters. Yeah, not like
Speaker 1: David Freeze is just clutch because he just had that
Speaker 1: home run against the Ring, or he could the home
Speaker 1: run the triple and all that, and here like just
Speaker 1: like a clutch player. I don't know, but like Freeze
Speaker 1: could be clutch.
Speaker 2: Randy a rose Arena is clutch like he rises for
Speaker 2: the bigger moment. But those are two of the very
Speaker 2: few that you could possibly name. I think there are
Speaker 2: a lot of guys that just continue performing to their
Speaker 2: standards while the overwhelming majority of baseball falters in a
Speaker 2: high leverage moment.
Speaker 1: And Hotel is a perfect example of that of someone
Speaker 1: who rises to the occasion and definitely deserves to be
Speaker 1: on this All MLB team totally.
Speaker 2: One more thing that I want to say about clutch
Speaker 2: before we get to our next guy who should be considered.
Speaker 2: I did say that there is a stat to measured clutch.
Speaker 2: It's not listed on Savant or fan grafts. It's just
Speaker 2: called girth and they keep it in house. I think
Speaker 2: girth is is the clutch measurement. That's an astat to me.
Speaker 1: Earth rate correlation between clutch percentage and girth rate. Where
Speaker 1: does it neat metal expected weighted girth? Our next guy? Wow? Uh,
Speaker 1: this Tuesday episode took a turn. Huh.
Speaker 2: Our next guy to be considered for All MLB's second
Speaker 2: base position should be Ozzie Alby's. He's just a switch
Speaker 2: hitting second baseman with thirty bombs and one hundred and
Speaker 2: six RBIs. He went twenty for twenty four in his
Speaker 2: stolen base attempts. He won a World Series, he collected
Speaker 2: his second Silver Slugger. He plays pretty solid defense at
Speaker 2: second base. Ozzie Alby's for the next ten years is
Speaker 2: going to be considered.
Speaker 1: For this honor. I agree. And he's just under such
Speaker 1: a nice contract too, by the Braves. They locked him
Speaker 1: up for what do you know the exact numbers on
Speaker 1: that contract.
Speaker 2: Let me look at it right now. I want to
Speaker 2: say it's like seven years, thirty five.
Speaker 1: Seven years, thirty five million. Boom, Come on, come on,
Speaker 1: say what you want. You can even think he's overrated,
Speaker 1: because I've heard some of that in some circles, that
Speaker 1: his defense isn't actually as good as people think, the
Speaker 1: fact that he is a switch hitter, but from one
Speaker 1: side of the plate he's just really not that good.
Speaker 1: But overall Ozsi Alby's, nobody's going to debate that he's
Speaker 1: a great player. And at five million a year, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? I mean, one of the best bargains
Speaker 1: in baseball.
Speaker 2: That's stupid and like we you know, we say that, oh,
Speaker 2: these guys shouldn't be complaining because Ozi Alby's is still
Speaker 2: making five million year what he does, and the amount
Speaker 2: of money that he returns to the Braves just for
Speaker 2: his production and his likability is valued at so much
Speaker 2: more than five million dollars. You can say that athletes
Speaker 2: are drastically overpaid, but the reality is, like Lebron, you
Speaker 2: can pay him any amount of money an annual salary
Speaker 2: to stay under the cap. Even if you paid him
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars a year, his shoe brand brings
Speaker 2: in more.
Speaker 1: Money than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think more pies to Laker games.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think you could really ever
Speaker 1: pay him as worth in an NBA salary. Never, And
Speaker 1: you can't pay a lot of these guys, Like what
Speaker 1: do you pay one Sodo? Like what do you? I mean,
Speaker 1: we know what they're paying Mike Trout, but is that
Speaker 1: even worth it? Like what exactly does Mike trup bring
Speaker 1: the Angels nine wins? As in war? All right?
Speaker 2: Because you're still turning millions and millions of dollars worth
Speaker 2: of profit on these teams. If you're an owner if you're.
Speaker 1: Good to the let's get to the winner. Let's get
Speaker 1: to the winner.
Speaker 2: Marcus Semion's gonna get paid. Semon played in all one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two games, he led the league and
Speaker 2: played appearances. His forty five home runs were fourth in baseball.
Speaker 2: This was the first season of his career with over
Speaker 2: one hundred RBIs his first true season playing at second base.
Speaker 2: He wins a Gold Glove and a Silver Slugger, and
Speaker 2: he was the third finalist in a two horse race
Speaker 2: for American League MVP. Marcus Semion is your all MLB
Speaker 2: second basement. All of those numbers are impressive home runs.
Speaker 2: The RBIs everything I mean, the Gold Glove, the Silver Slugger.
Speaker 2: But what I really look back on is just like
Speaker 2: he was so durable, He played every single game while
Speaker 2: providing excellent defense and offensive production. Like he was really
Speaker 2: the far and away I think, the best second basement
Speaker 2: in baseball. And like you said, he can get paid,
Speaker 2: but he might not even be a second basement next year.
Speaker 1: Someone team might say, you know what, you're just that good,
Speaker 1: We're gonna put you back at short. Even though his
Speaker 1: defense at short wasn't that great. Is putting him at
Speaker 1: second base, maybe better for his offensive production. I mean,
Speaker 1: you saw Glabor when he moved from shortstop to second base.
Speaker 1: Was the you know, were the errors, the bad defense
Speaker 1: getting to his head affecting his performance at the plate.
Speaker 1: Was that happening possibly with Marcus Semion? So maybe does
Speaker 1: he consider that or he's like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: just so good, I don't care I'm playing short. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think if I had to sign Marcus Simeon, I
Speaker 2: would put him at second base because.
Speaker 1: I would just try.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, let's move on to third base, not third,
Speaker 2: let's move on to short. Brandon Crawford is the first
Speaker 2: guy that you should be considering. He had the best
Speaker 2: offensive season of his career by a country mile, career
Speaker 2: best in batting average OBP, slugging, home runs, RBIs, stolen bases,
Speaker 2: run scored WRC plus, all while winning his fourth Gold Gloff.
Speaker 2: Brandon Crawford had this resurgence season and it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: You could say Francisco Lindor has the best hands in
Speaker 1: baseball terms of fielding ground ball. You could even say
Speaker 1: possibly his teammate Hobby Bias. I'm okay saying that terms
Speaker 1: are just hands. Yeah, but Brandon Crawford's hands. Is anyone
Speaker 1: smoother at fielding a ground ball in the game?
Speaker 2: No, I mean everybody wanted to be Andrelton Simmons for
Speaker 2: a moment. Everybody wanted to be Derek Jeter, everybody wanted
Speaker 2: to be Lindor, everybody wanted to be Bias.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Through all of those guys, Brandon Crawford has been second
Speaker 2: on that list.
Speaker 1: And doesn't Brandon Crawford look like if you put together
Speaker 1: every shortstop in the history of baseball into one player,
Speaker 1: Like and I said the same thing about Charlie Morton,
Speaker 1: he kind of looks like every pitcher ever had a baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is what they look like.
Speaker 2: He looks like what you draw as a shortstop, right,
Speaker 2: what you are saying is the prototypical shortstop. He is
Speaker 2: the prototypical shortstop. That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's and their team won one
Speaker 2: hundred and seven games. I'm gonna say that for all
Speaker 2: the Giants guys, because they all.
Speaker 1: Deserved that too.
Speaker 2: Another guy who should be considered Trey Turner, won the
Speaker 2: overall batting title with a three to twenty eight clip.
Speaker 2: He cleared Juli Guriel by nine points, Juan Soto by fifteen.
Speaker 2: One hundred and ninety five hits for Trey led major
Speaker 2: League baseball. He was third in baseball with thirty two
Speaker 2: stolen bases. He got on base at a three seventy
Speaker 2: five clip, and he had a one forty two WRC
Speaker 2: plus trade Turner is we've said it one of, if
Speaker 2: not a top three overall player in baseball, Like he's
Speaker 2: just so gifted at baseball.
Speaker 1: He is gifted at baseball. And it's another one of
Speaker 1: those things, I mean in terms of talent. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could kind of make the argument it's just like
Speaker 1: what is Trey Turner bad at? But I think his
Speaker 1: what really sets him apart, I think is his speed.
Speaker 1: Not only was he a second faster and feet per
Speaker 1: second sprint speed, not a second a foot faster thirty
Speaker 1: point seven sprint speed This year next best Ahmed Rosario
Speaker 1: at twenty nine point five. He had one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty seven bolts compared to sixty seven bolts. And I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find the exact definition for bolt, but I
Speaker 1: know it's a certain level of sprint speed that you achieved,
Speaker 1: and I think it's thirty feet per second. I just
Speaker 1: didn't want to get the math wrong, but I think
Speaker 1: it's how many times you reach thirty feet per second?
Speaker 1: And he was seven times. He literally doubled the second
Speaker 1: best player. He is by far the fastest player in baseball.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: That's like that's attaching one word to it for like bolt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's barrels.
Speaker 2: Barrels means I have plus off the bat bots mean
Speaker 2: you ran this fast.
Speaker 1: Exactly that I think. I mean, I can't for some reason,
Speaker 1: it's not showing up on this damn baseball savant. But
Speaker 1: I think it's thirty feet per second.
Speaker 2: Gotch you?
Speaker 1: And if someone yeah, a bolt is any run above
Speaker 1: thirty feet per second? Bank found it. We're Goodang bang easy.
Speaker 2: Next guy that you should consider is Carlos Korea. He
Speaker 2: was second in Major League Baseball in war among position players,
Speaker 2: only to Marcus Semion. According to Baseball Reference, Correa was
Speaker 2: far and away the most valuable defender in baseball. He
Speaker 2: can run it up to ninety seven miles an hour
Speaker 2: across the diamond, and you see it with the arm
Speaker 2: all the time. It gets there like a bolt. He
Speaker 2: hit two seventy nine with an eight to fifty ops. Again,
Speaker 2: a massively clutched performer in the postseason, Carlos care is
Speaker 2: going to get the bag deservedly.
Speaker 1: So he did this in a contract year, and it's awesome.
Speaker 1: You could make the argument Krea had the best season
Speaker 1: of any shortstop. You can make that with combining with
Speaker 1: the defense, considering Tatisa's struggles on defense. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you could make the argument that he actually had I
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to give it away. I
Speaker 1: think everybody knows who our best shortstop is right now.
Speaker 1: You just say close Crea was. Yeah, he was legit,
Speaker 1: that good Platinum Award winner in the American League, all outstude,
Speaker 1: and he's going to get close to three hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars this offseason.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Fernando Tatis Junior is your all MLB shortstop. He
Speaker 2: was fourth in baseball with a one to fifty six
Speaker 2: WRC plus. Tatis as a lightning fast shorts, hit forty
Speaker 2: two bombs, drove in ninety seven, stole twenty five bags.
Speaker 2: He was second in Major League Baseball in slugging. He
Speaker 2: was fourth in ops. I have a question for you,
Speaker 2: do you think that Fernando Tatis Junior can contest for
Speaker 2: best player in baseball if the defense steps up.
Speaker 1: And how much do you think.
Speaker 2: You can attribute the poor defense at times to his
Speaker 2: shoulder thing?
Speaker 1: That's a loaded question. Let me let me answer the first.
Speaker 1: Let me answer the first part about that. Can he
Speaker 1: be the best player in baseball? I think he can. Offensively,
Speaker 1: He's as gifted as any player in the sport at
Speaker 1: the most premium position. So let's say him and Juan Soto.
Speaker 1: Let's say him and Mike TeV Laimiger junior. If they
Speaker 1: have very similar offensive seasons. But I get the shortstop
Speaker 1: more often than not, you're going to take the shortstop,
Speaker 1: which means he for sure has a chance at being
Speaker 1: the best player in baseball. But we look back at
Speaker 1: the defense. He was one of the league leaders and errors.
Speaker 1: But the problem with errors is that a guy like Tati's,
Speaker 1: because he's so quick and is laterally, he's so quick
Speaker 1: as well everywhere, he gets to more balls, therefore making
Speaker 1: more errors on a ball that maybe hits off his
Speaker 1: glove that other shortstop couldn't even get to and that
Speaker 1: would just be a hit. So that's why it's kind
Speaker 1: of tough. But there's no doubt. I mean the throwing errors,
Speaker 1: But then could you attribute that to the shoulder I
Speaker 1: know is his non throwing arm, but it still matters
Speaker 1: that you're still playing injured. Yeah, So to answer your question,
Speaker 1: I would say yes, But at this point he's just
Speaker 1: got to improve on defense. But with a guy as
Speaker 1: talented as this is anyone expecting him not to improve
Speaker 1: on defense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think anybody is twenty two stagnant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, even a guy like Juan Soto. He
Speaker 1: was pretty bad defensively last year and was much better
Speaker 1: this year. Like you get Tatis one month, Hey, just
Speaker 1: field ground balls in February. He'll come back. He'll be fine,
Speaker 1: right if you.
Speaker 2: Like, here's the thing about Soto and Tatis. They don't
Speaker 2: have much shit to work on offensive.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's like, what are they working on?
Speaker 1: Just go field like that's your only like somewhat weakness.
Speaker 2: Right, that's my big problem with pictures. Not knowing how
Speaker 2: to bunt, Like you can only throw for so long,
Speaker 2: Like what are you doing with the rest of your time? Like,
Speaker 2: just go bunt like Tatis stole twenty five bags. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Also think about this, I mean, you know it. You've
Speaker 2: swung about hundreds of thousands of times before your front
Speaker 2: shoulder being hurt that badly. That's hard to swing. And
Speaker 2: this guy put out forty two bombs.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Did we even get a one percent
Speaker 1: of tatis this year? Hell no, that's that's the that's
Speaker 1: the crazy part about it. Yeah, we were dealing with
Speaker 1: an injured twenty two year old who was, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it, a top ten player this year. Sky's limit.
Speaker 1: Sky is absolutely the limit.
Speaker 2: Third base, Let's start with Manny Machado being somebody that
Speaker 2: should be considered. He was in the ninety sixth percentile
Speaker 2: and average exit of velocity. He hit a ball one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty miles an hour like Machado's got it
Speaker 2: with the bat. All in all, he hit two to
Speaker 2: eighty with twenty eight bombs one hundred and six RBIs
Speaker 2: all while not taking a step back defensively and being
Speaker 2: that Swiss army knife that you can put out in
Speaker 2: shallow right field in the shift. Machado, while not performing
Speaker 2: to the standard that he set for himself in Baltimore,
Speaker 2: is pretty close.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: I mean he's right there, right there. The defense is
Speaker 1: still good. I mean it's still Manny freaking Machado, and
Speaker 1: he's got a big ass contract, but he's living up
Speaker 1: to it. Also, hitting, I've when we say, you know,
Speaker 1: hitting in Yankee Stadium is easier. The type of competition
Speaker 1: he is in the National League West at Petco, which
Speaker 1: is a notorious pitchers park, facing that Dodgers rotation, that
Speaker 1: Giant's rotation all I mean, Rockies and Diamondback certainly helps
Speaker 1: hey man.
Speaker 2: But Antonio sends it, Tella, get.
Speaker 1: Your money, sends it Tella. But so you have to
Speaker 1: factor that intwo. Machado is living up to the contract,
Speaker 1: and he is not one of the reasons that the
Speaker 1: Padres didn't make the playoffs. He was, he was one
Speaker 1: of the bright spots. Yeah, no, the problem was Adam Fraser.
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, Adam Fraser odsmer. Jose Ramirez needs to.
Speaker 2: Be considered for this. He was and is good at
Speaker 2: literally everything. Jose Ramirez does not swing and miss. Jose
Speaker 2: Ramirez walks a lot. He hits thirty six bombs, He
Speaker 2: drives in over all hundred guys. Jose Ramirez stole twenty
Speaker 2: seven bags in thirty one attempts, and he plays top
Speaker 2: flight defense at third base. We said it Jose Ramirez
Speaker 2: might be the most valuable player in baseball right now,
Speaker 2: given the contract, given the team friendliness, and just how
Speaker 2: fricking good a baseball player he is.
Speaker 1: Just looking at his savant page just so red, and
Speaker 1: then his spray chart everywhere what I'm going through it,
Speaker 1: there is nothing he doesn't do at maybe close to
Speaker 1: an elite level. I'm even looking at just like how
Speaker 1: he does against per pitch. He's hitting at least two
Speaker 1: point fifty on any pitch. Any pitch. You can't throw
Speaker 1: curveballs to get him out. He'll hit those, obviously you're
Speaker 1: not gonna throw them a fastball. I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: the weakness here, Jack. There's no weakness. There is none even.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could say he didn't hit
Speaker 1: the ball the opposite way that much, the fifteen point
Speaker 1: one percent of the oppos away. I guess you'd kind
Speaker 1: of want to be more miiddible like you here.
Speaker 2: Jim Tomay is a Hall of Famer. He didn't hit
Speaker 2: the ball the other way.
Speaker 1: For shit, I'm trying to find one thing he wasn't
Speaker 1: great at, and it's hitting the other way. And that's
Speaker 1: just this season. He's actually been pretty good at it
Speaker 1: in his career, So just this season, he wasn't that
Speaker 1: great at hitting the ball the opps away. There's the weakness, dude,
Speaker 1: naked eye.
Speaker 2: You look at him and you're just like, okay, like
Speaker 2: you know, short stocky fella, your weakness is going to
Speaker 2: be defensively and running the bases. Nope, He's stole twenty
Speaker 2: seven bags and he's like a gold Glove caliber third basement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing he doesn't do.
Speaker 2: Nothing he doesn't do. Raffie Devers needs to be considered
Speaker 2: for all MLB third base. He wasn't disciplined, but far
Speaker 2: and away his most disciplined season relatively speaking to date,
Speaker 2: the largest difference between OBP and batting average in his career.
Speaker 1: That shows us that he's walking.
Speaker 2: More oh and thirty eight bombs with one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirteen RBIs. He had an eight to ninety ops, which
Speaker 2: was top ten of the American League. Raffie Devers stepped
Speaker 2: it up late. He's a dude. He's going to stay
Speaker 2: a dude.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty five. You think a guy like Rafael
Speaker 1: Devers has just been in this league for years and
Speaker 1: years and he might be Oh so you approaching thirty. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're getting into the prime. This is one of the
Speaker 1: best offensive players in baseball. He hits high v low,
Speaker 1: he hits soft, he hits lefties, he hits rightys. There
Speaker 1: isn't really a weakness to his game. I guess you
Speaker 1: could just say the speed, but ninety third percent of average,
Speaker 1: ex velosity ninety third and max eggs a velocity ninety
Speaker 1: second and hard to hit. I mean, he's in the
Speaker 1: nineties of everything that's hitting. He is one of the
Speaker 1: premier hitters in baseball.
Speaker 2: Our winner, who we think should be the All MLB
Speaker 2: third baseman is Austin Riley. Pete your most underrated player
Speaker 2: in baseball. He's not underrated anymore after the Braves won
Speaker 2: the Chip. But Austin Riley hit three oh three with
Speaker 2: thirty three homers, one hundred and seven driven in in ops,
Speaker 2: two ticks under nine hundred. He played one hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty of one hundred and sixty two games in the
Speaker 2: regular season.
Speaker 1: He was top five in hits and.
Speaker 2: Is sneaky in the seventieth percentile and sprint speed. He's
Speaker 2: a good athlete. He's going to continue to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Defensively again, much like Tatis, much like Soto, Because if
Speaker 2: this year's any indicator of what Austin Riley could be offensively,
Speaker 2: he doesn't have much to work on there. So he's
Speaker 2: just going to keep working on his glove and he's
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 1: Be here for a while. Talk about something to not
Speaker 1: work on with the bat. How about the fact Jack
Speaker 1: he hit three thirty three of off speed pitches and
Speaker 1: three oh seven off breaking balls two ninety off fast balls.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he was literally better against off speed.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? How are you gonna get
Speaker 1: him out? Throw him a fastball? What? Five seven off fastballs?
Speaker 3: He's slunking six o nine off off speed pitches. Jack,
Speaker 3: six o nine, Oh my god, that's nice. Let's let's
Speaker 3: see if he does anything wrong. Nope, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: He hits the ball to all the fields. Hits ball
Speaker 3: to all fields. Go look at a spray chart.
Speaker 1: He's twenty four Jack And it was funny Austin Riley
Speaker 1: going into the season. I don't know if anyone was
Speaker 1: expecting that much from Austin Riley. This was not a
Speaker 1: make or break year, not like if he had like
Speaker 1: not that great year. The Brakes are just like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know siya because they invest a lot like this
Speaker 1: is their third basement of the future. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: thought creeps into your head if he doesn't have like
Speaker 1: that great of a season totally, but he has a
Speaker 1: Donaldson type season. Like I said in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: this guy I love Austin Riley, just Rakes. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was one of the scariest hitters in the postseason.
Speaker 2: Said you said my name often when you were trying
Speaker 2: to tell me what he does. Really well, it's like
Speaker 2: you're trying to convince me that I need to buy
Speaker 2: into Austin Riley is good. Like I'm all the way in. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's no need to badger.
Speaker 1: Me about Austin Riley. I'm all the way in. All right,
Speaker 1: that's fair.
Speaker 2: We added one more guys, so instead of three kind
Speaker 2: of runners up, we've got four. We'll go rapid fire
Speaker 2: through these catchers because we got to make up time, right.
Speaker 2: Will Smith with at least three hundred played appearances, Will
Speaker 2: Smith ranks fourth with a one thirty WRC plus. He
Speaker 2: cut down on the swing and miss and the chasing
Speaker 2: in his game. He has vastly improved defensively. Mike Zanino
Speaker 2: another guy that should be considered. He had a higher
Speaker 2: WRC plus than sal Perez and he hit thirty three bombs. Yes,
Speaker 2: Moni Grondal should be considered because he led major League
Speaker 2: baseball with a twenty three percent walk rate. In ninety
Speaker 2: three games, Grondal had eighty seven walks and eighty two punchouts.
Speaker 2: He hit two forty but with a four to twenty
Speaker 2: OBP and a nine to forty ops. And then this
Speaker 2: is the one that's gonna hurt. Sal Perez is the
Speaker 2: runner up.
Speaker 1: Pal Perez is I mean Grendal, Grandell ledbait led catchers
Speaker 1: in WRC plus, whatever you want to rank it. These
Speaker 1: are the guys. Yeah, and we Salvado Prez hit forty
Speaker 1: eight home runs this year and drove in one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty one.
Speaker 2: He led baseball in both. He had a share of
Speaker 2: the homer lead with Laddie. But our winner problem is
Speaker 2: it's the framing. Like he was one of the worst
Speaker 2: defenders in baseball.
Speaker 1: But you get to be on the runner up you
Speaker 1: hit forty eight bombs, drive in one hundred and twenty one.
Speaker 1: At some point it's like, dude, the guy was at fifty,
Speaker 1: what's the last that many catchers doing that? And also
Speaker 1: we've talked never before talked about this before. Do you
Speaker 1: think it's hard to frame Jackson Kohar, Chris Bubich, Brady Singer,
Speaker 1: all of these guys who are young pitchers who and
Speaker 1: the Royals go stuff first, control command later. So you're
Speaker 1: trying to home an entire staff of rookie pitchers all
Speaker 1: trying to show off their best stuff so they could
Speaker 1: stick in the rotation. Do you think it might be
Speaker 1: hard to catch all these guys every day? And everyone's
Speaker 1: pointing to sal Perez's walks. He can't walk. He has
Speaker 1: to go up and try and drive in runs. He
Speaker 1: has to. He's the only one in that lineup who
Speaker 1: does so. Outside of like a wit Maorfield. He had
Speaker 1: to be the guy if it's if it's three to one,
Speaker 1: he's swinging. He's not looking for the walk, he's swinging.
Speaker 1: And that's why you see some higher strike up strikeout rates,
Speaker 1: see a lower on base percentage. But he made up
Speaker 1: for it by thting legit forty eight bombs, driving a
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty one runs legit forty eight bombs.
Speaker 1: But there was a guy that was just better and
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: Going out on top buster our king Buster Posey should
Speaker 2: get your all MLB vote and catch her.
Speaker 1: He's getting ours.
Speaker 2: He was really close to a three hundred four hundred,
Speaker 2: five hundred slash line, three hundred batting average, four hundred OVP,
Speaker 2: five hundred slugging in his swan song that we didn't
Speaker 2: know about until it happened. Like what the hell, dude,
Speaker 2: let us know. We want to give you a farewell tour.
Speaker 2: This was his best offensive year since twenty seventeen. He
Speaker 2: should get this based on merit. He should also get
Speaker 2: it for the sentimental vote. I think, yeah, you're worded
Speaker 2: that perfectly.
Speaker 1: Not only should we all be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: give it a posy, but it's not like he didn't
Speaker 1: deserve it. I think he was pound pound for pound
Speaker 1: as Iver Wayne catchers the best catcher in baseball this
Speaker 1: year when you talk about his defense and that offensively,
Speaker 1: he was right up there with Grendaal, with Salvi, with
Speaker 1: all these guys, but yet commanded this staff Kevin Gosman,
Speaker 1: Logan Web Descalfani Quato, Alex Wood. Do you think they
Speaker 1: looked pretty good because they got one of the best
Speaker 1: catchers you know of our lifetime, framing the ball, throwing
Speaker 1: out runners, calling an amazing game every time they won
Speaker 1: one hundred and seven games, Lester posing.
Speaker 2: Man look at the pen too. I mean McGhee, Tyler Rodgers, Dovall,
Speaker 2: dominic Leone. Like they all had really good years. There
Speaker 2: is a direct correlation between Buster Posey being a really
Speaker 2: good catcher and that staff outperforming what we thought they
Speaker 2: could do.
Speaker 1: I bet if you ask them what was one factor
Speaker 1: outside just maybe yourself that contributed to a career year
Speaker 1: for you, Buster, I bet you nine of the ten
Speaker 1: are saying Buster, If not all.
Speaker 2: Ten, yeah, well, and the one that doesn't is going
Speaker 2: to get shit on by everybody. Uh, let's go to dh.
Speaker 2: This is super easy because like this guy has to
Speaker 2: make it in one category, Shohy is going to win.
Speaker 2: Let's walk through who should be considered. JD Martinez has
Speaker 2: the best bat to ball skills of the DHS. I
Speaker 2: like how you said that, Pete. He was third in war,
Speaker 2: fourth in WRC plus among DHS, and he led the
Speaker 2: position in batting average. JD was good.
Speaker 1: He can swing it. He's just one of the scariest hitters.
Speaker 1: In the lineup continually going to the playoffs. Who do
Speaker 1: you not want to face? JD Martinez talking about clutch.
Speaker 1: JD's just scary. Still at thirty.
Speaker 2: Four, Gihn Carlos Stanton has uber power.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do we need to say? Gercarlo Stanton
Speaker 1: came back and proved he's still one of the premier
Speaker 1: power bats at the position and hits the ball harder
Speaker 1: than everybody in baseball outside of his teammate Aaron Judge
Speaker 1: at the position. Jerancarlo was second in home runs, he
Speaker 1: was third in WRC plus and fourth in war and
Speaker 1: really just showed out for a Yankee fan base then
Speaker 1: I think had some doubts moving into this season, but
Speaker 1: he proved like he's we got to keep him. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's or you can turn that right back around if
Speaker 1: you're a Yankee fan and say now is the premiere
Speaker 1: time to trade him. Possibly, but regardless what you do
Speaker 1: with him, he proved he's still one of the best
Speaker 1: dhs in baseball and one of the best power hitters
Speaker 1: in baseball. One percent.
Speaker 2: A guy that is going to be on this list
Speaker 2: for fifteen years is somebody who you have so verily
Speaker 2: clearly you have so very clearly said is going to
Speaker 2: be a Hall of Famer. You're down at Olverarez, the
Speaker 2: second highest war among dhs, the second highest WRC plus
Speaker 2: of any DH. He would be the number one if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for the best player in baseball. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's and that's the problem.
Speaker 1: It's like you might just say you're on one, Stanton
Speaker 1: two JD three and just throw out a tawny, but
Speaker 1: you can't throw out o tawny. Dude. You get into
Speaker 1: Toni because like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well, he's the only player in Major league history to
Speaker 2: have forty five homers twenty five stolen bases in five triples.
Speaker 1: Say that again.
Speaker 2: He was the only player in major league history to
Speaker 2: have forty five homers twenty five stolen bases in five triples.
Speaker 1: He had a three point one adri Also, are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? That is the triples. I mean he's a pitcher.
Speaker 1: This guy is.
Speaker 2: This guy is literally like that kid that just carries
Speaker 2: the team from North Dakota to the Little League World
Speaker 2: Series final, Like remember Gavin Weir, Yeah, but like if
Speaker 2: led his led the Little World Series at Whole Rods too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like show Hay is a better hitter for the
Speaker 2: Angels than Gavin Weird, Like you know what I mean, It's.
Speaker 1: Like it's I'll just shout out Gavin Weir.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, shout out Gavin Weir. It's like Jacob Deground,
Speaker 2: but he also hits bombs. I mean, show Hay is
Speaker 2: the best power hitter in baseball, but he also pitches.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the best power hitter, but
Speaker 1: the fact that we're even saying that and like considering it,
Speaker 1: I mean, he had forty six jacks. It is he
Speaker 1: the best power hitter in baseball? He slugged over six hundred.
Speaker 1: Like what do we talk about here?
Speaker 2: Like on the on the video games, he's got to
Speaker 2: be at like ninety nine with the power, right has
Speaker 2: to be like at least it's tough.
Speaker 1: I've maybe judge Stanton Blattie and the Dani Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: The outfield is absolutely loaded, you know, outfield and starting pitching.
Speaker 2: We're gonna walk through who you should be considered really quick,
Speaker 2: but we're going to get into each guy that we
Speaker 2: kind of voted in fair.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: Okay, Kyle Tucker should get considered fourth highest WRC plus
Speaker 2: among outfielders at twenty four years old. Brian Reynolds was
Speaker 2: great for a terrible team. He's got a high batting average.
Speaker 2: He was a really good defensive outfielder. Tyler O'Neill is insane.
Speaker 2: He's five tools. He's a muscle hamster. He hit thirty
Speaker 2: four homers. He's also really fast, and he had a
Speaker 2: two eighty six batting average. Tay Oscar Hernandez should seriously
Speaker 2: be looked at maybe the most underrated hitter in the league.
Speaker 2: He had almost three hundred with thirty two bombs and
Speaker 2: had the same war as Mooky Bets. Mookie Bets should
Speaker 2: be considered.
Speaker 1: Even though this.
Speaker 2: Was a below average year per mookie Bets' standards, He's
Speaker 2: still Mooky Bets. Nick Castillanos was seventh in WRC plus
Speaker 2: among outfielders. He hit thirty four bombs. He hit over
Speaker 2: three hundred, and then Cedric Mullins just missed the cut.
Speaker 1: He was a thirty thirty guy. Thirty thirty guy. Can
Speaker 1: I say the three that we're getting into, Yes? Agree,
Speaker 1: because I want I want to also say this that
Speaker 1: this isn't the best left fielder, the best center fielder,
Speaker 1: and the best right fielder. Three are the three best
Speaker 1: outfielders in baseball in twenty twenty one, I'm gonna work
Speaker 1: three to one Aaron Judge. This guy had the third
Speaker 1: best season of any outfielder. We know that Judge is
Speaker 1: the ultimate power hitter in baseball, even though I guess
Speaker 1: thirty nine home runs seems kind of low. Even though
Speaker 1: it was still thirty nine home runs. That just goes
Speaker 1: as show the level of power that Aaron Judge has.
Speaker 1: But he finished third in WRC plus at the position
Speaker 1: and was tied for third in WAR And I think
Speaker 1: the most underrated aspects of judge game is his fielding.
Speaker 1: He's really one of the best defensive right fielders in
Speaker 1: baseball and he The thing is with Aaron Judge is, yes,
Speaker 1: he's one hundredth percentile in average exit velocity, max exit velocity,
Speaker 1: and barrel rate, but or hard hit rate, excuse me
Speaker 1: and barrel rate. But he's not going for a home
Speaker 1: run every single time. That's not his game. He's just
Speaker 1: not lucking, obviously, but he is kind of just lucking
Speaker 1: at it because that's not his approach. His approach is
Speaker 1: to drive the ball to all fields. But he's just
Speaker 1: so goddamn strong that thirty nine of those balls just.
Speaker 2: Went out of the ballpark, right like he is, he's
Speaker 2: a guy that doesn't know his own strength because he
Speaker 2: views himself as this six to two skinny guys that's
Speaker 2: got to spray it everywhere. But the thing is, he's
Speaker 2: six seven, two eighty and it's all pure muscle. So like,
Speaker 2: if he has the idea of spraying it everywhere, he's
Speaker 2: still gonna spray it everywhere. It's just gonna be really
Speaker 2: hard because he's the biggest human being in baseball.
Speaker 1: And I used to say Aaron Judge was the same
Speaker 1: way as Zion Williamson. But now Zion Williamson looks like
Speaker 1: he's three fifty. I mean, he's a big old boy
Speaker 1: right now, big man, big man. But he's still I mean,
Speaker 1: he's still Zion Willimson still. But that just goes to
Speaker 1: show the level of size that Aaron Judge has. Totally.
Speaker 1: Number two Juan Soda, plain and simple. I think he
Speaker 1: had the second best offensive season, not just out fielders
Speaker 1: in baseball, maybe third behind Vladimir ro Junior. But still
Speaker 1: he is an on base machine that does everything well
Speaker 1: and Jack he's approaching best player in baseball status. I
Speaker 1: think next year, if Mike Troud is dealing with some injuries,
Speaker 1: maybe a down year, and Wan Soto continues to do
Speaker 1: what he's doing, we have the new best player in baseball.
Speaker 1: Considering the improvements that he made on d defense, considering
Speaker 1: he's going into his age twenty three season, this is
Speaker 1: maybe already the best hitter in baseball. But I'm still
Speaker 1: just gonna give it to Mike Trout until further notice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a track record thing, and the reason Trout
Speaker 2: is defaulting to it is because of the track record
Speaker 2: he built up when he was Juan Soto's age. But
Speaker 2: now Soto has built up this similar track record and
Speaker 2: he's at the stage of his career that we anointed
Speaker 2: Trout the best player in baseball.
Speaker 1: Literally, So it's like until Trout starts faltering. Because Trout,
Speaker 1: I mean, even before he got hurt, he was in
Speaker 1: three thirty three, ye like, his LBP was over four hundred.
Speaker 1: He was still elite. I think at the time when
Speaker 1: he went down, he was the league leader in home runs.
Speaker 1: So it's still Trout. But if you said Wan Soto
Speaker 1: is the best player in baseball, I wouldn't fight you
Speaker 1: too hard on it. That's how good this guy is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the guy who had the best offensive season in
Speaker 1: baseball is Bryce Harper, plain and simple, best offensive season
Speaker 1: in baseball. He let MLB and OPS, he led in
Speaker 1: WRC plus. Couple that with thirty five bombs and the
Speaker 1: third highest war of any position player. And as Arm said,
Speaker 1: Bryce Harper saw one pitch a game and would do
Speaker 1: damage every single time. In the counting stats, it's pretty
Speaker 1: close between one soda. But if you want to go
Speaker 1: to one big number, WRC plus, he had a one
Speaker 1: seventy WRC plus this year. He was seventy percent above
Speaker 1: league average. Juan Soto won sixty six sixty six pretty close.
Speaker 1: Really good OPS leader, WRC plus leader, Bryce Harper, best
Speaker 1: offensive season all m will be but him and won soda.
Speaker 1: Good both of them anyways, so cares they're both amazing.
Speaker 2: That's why you get three.
Speaker 1: The Democrats get.
Speaker 2: All right, that wraps up hitters. So far we've got
Speaker 2: due to two. Let me open up the Google doc.
Speaker 2: First baseman being Vladdie Junior, Matt Olson, Paul gold Schmid,
Speaker 2: Joe Vado just missed the cut. Second base Marcus Semion
Speaker 2: gets our vote. Ozzi, Albi's Brandon Lao, josel Twove, second, third,
Speaker 2: fourth in whatever order, Fernando Tatis Junior we think is
Speaker 2: the all MLB shortstop, Carlos Correa, Trey Turner, Brandon Crawford
Speaker 2: to follow, Austin Riley the third basement, edging out Raffi Devers,
Speaker 2: Jose Ramirez and Manny Machado, Catcher is Buster Posey, just
Speaker 2: barely beating out Sal Perez. Those guys kind of steer
Speaker 2: clear of yes, Moni Grondal, Mike Zanino and Will Smith,
Speaker 2: although it feels like Josey and Perez, ten C sliveris
Speaker 2: space Grandal, and then a massive drop off to Zanino
Speaker 2: and Will Smith, and then the dh Otani because of course,
Speaker 2: followed by Jordan Gihn, Carlo and Jad Martinez, and then
Speaker 2: in the outfield Harper Soto and Judge Mullins, Castianos Betts,
Speaker 2: ta Oscar Hernandez Tyler, O'Neill, Bryan Reynolds and Kyle Tucker
Speaker 2: should get your consideration. But we're gonna do pictures on Friday.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do pictures on Friday. We're gonna split it
Speaker 2: up because we could just keep going. But the pictures
Speaker 2: is gonna take forty five minutes to an hour.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that we got to talk about,
Speaker 1: show some love, so we didn't think about, you know,
Speaker 1: putting you guys in. Like we said, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a very long podcast. So we'll do part two Thursday,
Speaker 1: though Friday, you me and arm correct Thursday, you and
Speaker 1: I again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why not. We're still trying to hammer out
Speaker 2: of the offseason schedule.
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