1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media Welcome, there could happen here. We decided 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: every week you were going to do in episode called 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Executive Disorders White House Weekly, where we report the news, 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: and today we are going to start that episode. We 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: have the entire full time team here. We have Mio Wong, 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Garrison Davis, Robert Evans, James Stout, and I am the 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: voice in your ear, Sophie Lichterman. 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you should know we'll be making a number 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: of references to a show you haven't watched, called The 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: News Rooms. So many we didn't just pretend we didn't. 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, let's do the episode now go. 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 4: So this episode's also going to be a little bit 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 4: different because the idea is to cover each week of 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 4: stuff that's happening visa via the White House. And it's 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: been two weeks since since Inauguration Day, and we are 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 4: recording usually on Wednesdays, so the you know, a day 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 4: or two there that we will record the week after. 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 4: But we have a whole bunch of stuff today because 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 4: we are covering essentially two weeks. All start with some 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 4: of the transgender executive orders that happened last week. There 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 4: was an order defining two sexes assigned at conception, which 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 4: made plenty of biologists scratch their heads. A lot of 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 4: this is just going to impact the ability to change 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 4: your gender marker on federal documents for the next four years, 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 4: you know, passports also removing the ex gender marker from 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: federal documents. There's also a new directive that Pride flags 28 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: are not to be flown on federal buildings. Also a 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 4: separate one I don't think we have included here in 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: the research doc but how brutalist and modernist architecture is 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: now not allowed to be used on new federal buildings. 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 4: You have to use Greek or Roman inspired architecture because 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 4: they project power. So all of those, like Greek have 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 4: what our statue Twitter accounts have a complete cultural victory. 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: Now, uh great, I am going to agitate to replace 36 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: the Oregon State capital with just a statue of a 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: Roman orgy. You know, we don't even need place for 38 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: the legislators. Just look at the statue and you'll know 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: what to do. 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 4: This actually is like bad, you know, very very nineteen thirties, you. 41 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 5: Know, yeah, yeah, famously no other regimes have hawken back 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 5: to Clauds Calera well. 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 4: And specifically is like calling like you know, modern architecture, 44 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 4: brutalist architecture, as you know, is like weak or bad 45 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 4: or things that get restricted. 46 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 4: On a more somber note, part of this two sex 48 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 4: that conception thing also means that a whole bunch of 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 4: trans women are now being sent to men's prisons. And 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 4: like a lot of this stuff is stuff that we 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: knew was going to happen, and it did happen quite immediately. 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is just the start. 53 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: I guess we'll throw over to MIA for some more 54 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 4: executive action done on the WOKA gender ideology angle. 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, but by the time we're finished recording this, there 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 6: might be another anti trans executive order. We'll get to 57 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 6: that end. But the big ones for right now is 58 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 6: that Trump is trying to do a and this is 59 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 6: something we talked about in our in our last episode 60 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 6: about what's gonna look like with trans people, but a 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 6: federal funding ban for trans healthcare, which means for for 62 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 6: youth trans healthcare, which means any provider that like gets 63 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 6: federal funding and this and this includes things like taking 64 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 6: Medicare and Medicaid right those like hospitals can't do any 65 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 6: kind of gender for a main care for youth. 66 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: Part of what's sort of terrifying. 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of terrible stuff about this, 68 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 6: but they've they've defined a kid as age nineteen. 69 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: Or under the age of nineteen. 70 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, under the age of nineteen. Yeah. 71 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: Obviously, like that gives you know, worries for stuff that 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: we've been talking about for years for how they might 73 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 4: try to start bumping up the age for these for 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 4: these HRT bands. This also could be them not really 75 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: realizing what they're doing to some extent, because this could 76 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 4: also just be copying I believe in Alabama or Arkansas 77 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: ban and that was like the highest age used in 78 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 4: any of these like state healthcare bans. They could just 79 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: be copying that over because it is the highest one. 80 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: And like I'm not sure how much they've like thought about, 81 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 4: you know, their capacity to start like you know, arbitrarily 82 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 4: raising that number. 83 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: I mean, part of what I think is happening, and 84 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: I think this because this was definitely at play in 85 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: the Alabama ban is this is, in addition to being 86 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: an attack on trans people, part of a broader set 87 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: of messaging towards the Parents' Ranks movement, which very much 88 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: does not consider eighteen year olds to be adults. 89 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 6: Totally, totally, yeah. And on that note, one of the 90 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 6: things they're trying to do is target states that have 91 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 6: like transanctuary laws by trying to like get parents who 92 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 6: take their kids to save states like charged on kidnapping 93 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 6: charges and so forth, noting supposedly later today there's going 94 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 6: to be one about using the Charney General's Office to 95 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 6: work with the charity generals in states who prosecute teachers 96 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 6: to use gender firming pronouns as like sexual users. And 97 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 6: I want to point out like these executive orders specifically, 98 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 6: like the second raft of them that I've been talking about, 99 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 6: Like these are all unbelievably legal, right, yeah, Like these 100 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 6: are probably not going to get implemented immediately because there's 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 6: immediately going to go to the courts, Like the Supreme 102 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 6: Court will probably give them some of it. But like 103 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 6: you can't just like declare something a crime and have 104 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 6: the Attorney General prosecute people for it. Like that specific 105 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 6: thing is genuinely so ridiculous that it might not survive 106 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 6: the Supreme Court. It's nonsense. But things that aren't nonsense, 107 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 6: and this is something you genuinely can do that's very dangerous. 108 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 6: Is he's trying to get and this is from per 109 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 6: Aaron Reid. He's a trans journalist, does pretty good work 110 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 6: on this stuff. The federal government has been instructed to 111 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 6: not follow w PATH guidelines or WPATH is this sort 112 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 6: of organization that sets the guidelines for like trends healthcare 113 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 6: and this. We don't know what this is going to do. 114 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 6: There is a chance that this could endanger private like 115 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 6: Healthcare covering it because they follow the government using WPATH. 116 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 6: So that's extremely extremely bad. But again, and this is 117 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 6: going to be a running theme in the next section 118 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 6: of this. A lot of this is stuff that he 119 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 6: shouldn't need Congress for and he's just trying to do 120 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 6: it because he thinks that he can and he doesn't 121 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 6: give a shit. 122 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: Well, and it's just signaling to the base even if 123 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: it gets stopped, like he's I think, I don't think 124 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: he cares if decent chunks that it gets stopped. 125 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: He tried to do the thing. Yeah, I agree with Robert. 126 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, he can now shift the blame to someone else. Look, man, 127 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: I did the executive order, which honestly is what Biden 128 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: should have done on some stuff, right, fuck it? Ye 129 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: make the statement, you know. 130 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so speaking of fuck it, let's get into 131 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 6: this whole, this whole freezing the entire federal government thing. 132 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 6: We're gonna do a more detailed episode about this next week. 133 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 3: But maybe the. 134 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 6: Most unhanged thing that he's done so far than the 135 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 6: birthright stuff, he did an executive order that's telling everyone 136 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 6: they can't fund DEI. Yeah, early this week, the US 137 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 6: Office of Personnel Management sent out this memo to everyone 138 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 6: telling them that, like all grant programs are frozen until 139 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 6: they submit a like they submitted a description of like 140 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 6: what the grant program is and why it's not DEI 141 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 6: and so like think things that were like fucked by this, right. 142 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 6: I have a few of these programs and they were 143 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 6: the grants they were shutting down. Here, the Nicholas and 144 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 6: Zachary Burt Memorial carbon Monoxide Poisoning Program, WHOA, the National 145 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 6: School Lunch Program, Special Milk Program for children, the Supplemental 146 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 6: Nutrition Program for Women, infants, and children, the do d's 147 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 6: Basic and Applied Scientific Research Grants DEI DI. 148 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: It's even got a D right in there. 149 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 6: That's right, like one of these and this is a 150 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 6: very serious one at least for these people holding onto 151 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 6: power was the National Guard's military operation and maintenance samously low, 152 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 6: which like it's like it's like eight billion dollars of 153 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 6: money to the National Guard. 154 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: Hey, critical support. He got one thing right. 155 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 6: The way that you can tell that none of these people, 156 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 6: and the thing is a sign of is that none 157 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 6: of these people have any idea what's going on inside 158 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 6: of the state. They don't understand what it is. They 159 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 6: don't understand what it does. And I can prove this 160 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 6: for a fact because one of the programs that they 161 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 6: froze was a program that gives money to police to 162 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 6: do patrols outside of a nuclear weapons assembly plan. Joey, 163 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 6: they defunded the nuke police, Like. 164 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: Check the Signal Loop gang. 165 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: I think I got a plan based on that we're 166 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: gonna become the first nuclear armed podcasting network. 167 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 6: So so like I think I think people have this 168 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 6: conception that, like, you know, they're operating according to a plan. 169 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 6: These are all sort of strategic like strokes and masters strokes, 170 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 6: and like no, they're just they're just lashing out right, 171 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 6: They're driven by pure anger and they're trying to do 172 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 6: this purge of the government of anything woke or whatever, 173 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 6: like anything that's like vaguely involves non white people or 174 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 6: just like anyone who's not assists white dude they're trying 175 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 6: to get rid of. Yeah, and this memo was immediately 176 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 6: challenged in court because it's also this is also hideously illegal. 177 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 6: The president doesn't control the purse strings. That's like, you know, 178 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 6: in the Constitution, it says that Congress controls this. So 179 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 6: where we're at now is that the memo has been withdrawn, 180 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 6: but there's there's a bunch of really conflicting information where 181 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 6: like Trump spokespeople are saying that they're still going to 182 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 6: go through with the executive orders. 183 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: They're probably gonna try to rewrite it. They might make 184 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 4: it more targeted against you know, woke whatever that means. Yeah, 185 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 4: it may not be as like broad as this as 186 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 4: this initial memo, but they're certainly going to try again. 187 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 6: But the problem that they have is that there's there 188 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 6: are literally so many of these grants and the read 189 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 6: the reason they did it this way in the first 190 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 6: place was because they just they just they found a 191 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 6: list of grants, they copied all of them, and they 192 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 6: were like, okay, departments, you have to go figure this out, 193 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 6: and we're freezing your stuff until you do that. 194 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: Even Medicaid was frozen for a few hours yesterday. 195 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 196 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 6: Right, Like, they effectively nuked most of the capacity of 197 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 6: the federal governments, and it's going to take a lot 198 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 6: of effort for them to sort through which of these 199 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 6: things they could afford to turn off so that they 200 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 6: don't end up like turning off the nuke police. 201 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, critical support to abolishing the nuclear security. 202 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, they did what Biden couldn't do. 203 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go on a quick ad break and then 204 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 4: we will return to report more of the news. All right, 205 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 4: we are back. I guess I will turn over to 206 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 4: our Immigration and Border correspondent, James Stout. 207 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 3: That's me. 208 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: Yes, please report the news. 209 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 5: I'm ready to report the news. I have never been 210 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 5: more ready. Okay, this is going to be a long 211 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 5: run because there was a raft of executive orders about 212 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 5: the border in the flurry flurry Yeah, sound the word 213 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 5: we're allowed to use a flurry Okay, we can use 214 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 5: a murder like crows, you know the connective down for crows. 215 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: I mean this is going to result in a murder. Yeah. 216 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 217 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 5: Well, so let's start with a couple of the big ones, right. 218 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 5: The first one was essentially revoking the right to asylum 219 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 5: to anyone quote engaged in the invasion across the southern 220 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 5: border end quote. I want to highlight this invasion language 221 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 5: because obviously, like I'd adventure to say, I've spent more 222 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 5: time at the southern border of the United States sent 223 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 5: anyone in the executive branch, and most people reporting on 224 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 5: it too. The idea of an invasion is laughable. I've 225 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 5: been at the border twice since Trump was inaugurated. It's 226 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 5: extremely quiet. I've never seen things more quiet. The only 227 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 5: remarkable thing I saw was a pig of Vietnamese pop 228 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 5: Belied Big, which some people have released, which now lives there. 229 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 5: I think it's being rehomed because of some other stuff 230 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 5: that we will talk about later. But this invasion language 231 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 5: is important because it's used as a justification for some 232 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 5: of the things that the executive Branch is doing which 233 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 5: would otherwise seem to be outside of its authority. It's 234 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 5: getting the national security encounter terrorism treatment, and anyone who's 235 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 5: followed US politics for the last twenty years will understand 236 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 5: that that means an effective waiver for all of your 237 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 5: constitutional rights. And my have always been people who don't 238 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 5: have rights, and this is just something that we're now 239 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 5: seeing like further pushed. 240 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 3: So let's go through some of these orders. 241 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 5: Aside from the effective asylum ban, he directed the United 242 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 5: States Northern Command to quote unquote seal the border. This 243 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 5: has resulted in a deployment of about sixteen hundred United 244 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 5: States troops. Most of them are military police or engineers. 245 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 5: We've got marines, and we've got army in San Diego 246 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 5: Sectory its first marines out of Pendleton. They're the ones 247 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 5: that I've seen locally. He has directed various government departments 248 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 5: and the Attorney General to begin quote identifying countries throughout 249 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 5: the world for which vetting and screening information is so 250 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 5: deficient as to warrant a partial full suspension on the 251 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 5: omission of nationals from those countries. This is effectively the 252 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 5: travel ban that we saw in the first Trap administration, 253 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 5: or a version of that. Right, it's a visa revocation 254 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 5: or a travel ban for people from certain countries. We 255 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 5: can guess what those countries will be. At last time, 256 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 5: they were for the most part, majority Muslim countries, right. 257 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: And we might well see that again. 258 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 5: They have attempted to rescind birthright citizenship for children of 259 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 5: undocumented families. 260 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 3: Right. 261 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 5: This is one if people go back to our like 262 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 5: what can Trump do for mass deportations podcasts that Robert 263 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 5: Sophie and I did sometime in November, I think you'll 264 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 5: get more information there on what is and what is 265 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 5: not possible than we have time to go into today. 266 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 5: But you're seeing a lot of the things that we 267 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 5: talked about there coming into reality now. I guess specifically, 268 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 5: the attempt to resin birthright citizenship relies on the idea 269 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 5: that they are not quote unquote under the jurisdiction thereof 270 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 5: of the United States, which which is how the fourteenth 271 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 5: Amendment is phrased. Generally, it is understood that people who 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 5: are not considered to be under the jurisdiction of the 273 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 5: United States and therefore don't get citizenship when they're born 274 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 5: here are the children of diplomats because they have some 275 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 5: diplomatic community, right, so they're not necessarily governed by United 276 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 5: States laws in all areas, and that is why children 277 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 5: of diplomats don't get citizenship people when they're born here. 278 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 5: The Trump administration is arguing that applies to children of 279 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 5: undocumented people as well. There are five court cases challenging 280 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 5: that already so that they've got an upp battle in 281 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 5: the courts there. He has attempted to restart the Migrant 282 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 5: Protection Protocol MPP, better known as Remain in Mexico. 283 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: Right. 284 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 5: The Migrant Protection Protocol requires migrants to wait in Mexico 285 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 5: whether immigration cases are processed. In practice, it puts them 286 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 5: in a lot of danger. 287 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: Right. 288 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 5: Some of them are fleeing Mexico. Others are fleeing groups 289 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 5: or states that can reach them in Mexico, so it 290 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 5: leaves them in an unsafe place. The other thing he 291 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 5: did while Trump was still in the inaugural ceremonies literally 292 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 5: minutes after taking office, was canceling CBP one CBP one. 293 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 5: There is a lot of misinformation about what CBP one is. 294 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 5: CBP one is an application that allowed migrants to make 295 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 5: an appointment and they had to be either in southern 296 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 5: border states of Mexico or north of Mexico's city. They 297 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 5: could then make an appointment to approach a United States 298 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 5: port of entry, those that are places where you can 299 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 5: enter across the land border and make their case for 300 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 5: their asylum right, do their first asylum interview. 301 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 4: Like this is like following the law, like this is 302 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: like the process. 303 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, making a CBP one appointment is quote unquote the 304 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 5: right way exactly. 305 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 306 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 5: You have a legal right to enter between ports of 307 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 5: entry and still make an asylum claim, which is what 308 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 5: we saw in their outdoor attention situation, right, But doing 309 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 5: it via CBP one is like the belt embraces correct 310 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 5: way to do it. People who had appointments at noon 311 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 5: Pacific on the day Trump was inaugurated, sow those appointments counseled. 312 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 5: They can't make appointments anymore CBP one, it's gone. Those 313 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 5: people who have waited an average of nine months in 314 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: dangerous places have wasted their time. They now don't have 315 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 5: a pathway to asylum in this country. If you go 316 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 5: back to my episodes on the Daddi and Gap, you 317 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 5: will hear some of those people. 318 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: Right. Those people are now stuck in Mexico without really 319 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: any legal means to enter the United States and c asylum. 320 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 5: Trump has directed ICE to increase detention capacity. We spoke 321 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 5: about this in our previous podcast. Don't like the amount 322 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 5: of detention beds they would need to hit. The thirteen 323 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 5: million deportations they talked about is immense, but one of 324 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 5: the things they are doing is starting to house it's 325 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 5: people whose countries won't accept them for deportation, right, which 326 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 5: is a thing that has happened. The United States has 327 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 5: begun using military aircraft for deportations in the last two weeks. 328 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 5: I want to stress that this isn't a capacity issue. 329 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 5: Biden deported eight thousand people in a month in the 330 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 5: September to October of twenty twenty one. Trump is aiming 331 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 5: to hit five thousand. Biden did it all with contractor flights. 332 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 5: Trump is doing a lower number and using air force flights. 333 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 5: This is not because he can't get the contractors. It's 334 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 5: purely an aesthetic choice, and it's an aesthetic choice which 335 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 5: has roughfled enough feathers in South and Central America that 336 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 5: you have Honduras saying that they're going to revote the 337 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 5: US mission to have a military base in Hondolas as 338 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 5: a mistreat migrants. We had Columbia briefly refusing US military 339 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 5: flights with deportees, Mexico doing the same. 340 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 4: Briefly entering a trade war with Columbia. Yeah, yes, which 341 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 4: lasted about two hours. 342 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: The one hour trade war at about the same length 343 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: as the Civil War in Western Yugoslavia. 344 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, the trade war with Columbia was averted when Columbia 345 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 5: sent its own military plane to get these deportees. 346 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, Columbia caved immediately. 347 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, then they will continue to accept US deportees as 348 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 5: they have done for a long time. Right again, if 349 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 5: you listen to my Darien series, you'll hear of some 350 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 5: Colombian people being deported. We're now getting into things that 351 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 5: are like more. These are orders that we haven't seen 352 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 5: realized yet. One of them is he is. He has 353 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 5: talked about having the Attorney General remove as far as 354 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 5: possible federal funding from so called sanctuary jurisdictions. 355 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: Right. 356 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 5: These are normally places where local law enforcement were cooperates 357 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 5: with federal immigration enforcement. ICE makes a majority of its 358 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 5: detentions from people who are already detained. 359 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 4: People who are like arrested by police, yes. 360 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 5: Exactly for whatever. Then those police notify ICE and ICE 361 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 5: come get them. We've seen a lot more of door 362 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 5: to door ICE raids in the last two weeks, and 363 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 5: they've been ramping up even really really this week. But 364 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 5: ever since Trump was inaugurated, we've seen ICE attempting to 365 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 5: enter people's homes. Often they just have a warrant issued 366 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 5: by themselves rather than they judicial warrant. So we've seen 367 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 5: people refusing to let them into their homes. We've also 368 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 5: seen the removal of the quote unquote sensitive places doctrine. Yeah, 369 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 5: sensitive places had previously been understood to be schools, churches, 370 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 5: and hospitals. Now ICE is conducting quote unquote enforcement operations 371 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 5: in those places. Those are actually places like the sensitive 372 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: places doctrine have been in place for a long time. 373 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 5: This wasn't like a Biden thing. This was This has 374 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 5: been a long term thing. So ICE is now and 375 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 5: we've seen immigration actions conducted at like a church in Atlanta, 376 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 5: for instance. We've seen I think they were actually Secret 377 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 5: Service agents who identified themselves as an ICE agent, sort 378 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 5: of school in Chicago because a childhood posted an anti 379 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 5: Trump video. And then I guess. The last thing that 380 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 5: we are seeing is this designation of organized crime groups 381 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 5: as foreign terrorist organizations. This is an interesting one. We 382 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 5: haven't really seen any action on this yet, but it's 383 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 5: one of his executive orders. 384 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: In day one in his. 385 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 5: First administration, he designated Iran Kuld Force as a foreign 386 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 5: terrorist organization and then proceeded to kill their leader. Right, 387 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 5: So this FDO designation opens up the possibility of a 388 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 5: lot of like covert activity I'm talking like the CIA 389 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 5: and like Tier I special forces units. It also allows 390 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 5: him to bring about economic sanctions on any one material 391 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 5: really supporting these organized crime organizations. In practice, that would 392 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 5: encompass huge swaths of the Mexican economy, right, because there 393 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 5: are people in agriculture, people in business who are paying 394 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 5: protection or they're being extorted to pay money, right, And 395 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 5: so in theory, those people are now materially belefating a 396 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 5: tent terrorist organization and they could be sanctioned as well. 397 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 5: We will have to see how this plays out, I guess, 398 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 5: and that there's still the directive was to look into 399 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 5: and then name these groups. 400 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 4: Well, and it's something that heg Seth has previously been 401 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 4: in favor of and he has now been confirmed. 402 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, Hegzeth has talked about using special forces in Mexico. 403 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 2: Oh yes, and this was Agenda forty seven stuff. They've 404 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: been talking about this for a while. 405 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's also in our Agenda forty seven episodes. 406 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 5: If people want to go back, there a direct action 407 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 5: rate in Mexico. 408 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: Drone warfare in Mexico. 409 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 5: Obviously doing this without the permission of the Mexican government 410 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 5: would be an act of war, right like killing foreign 411 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 5: nationals without the permission of their government. Conducting direct action 412 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 5: raids bombing another country like that, that is an act 413 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 5: of war. The US has had an fid FED Foreign 414 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 5: Internal Defense Mission right where it trains advisors and assists 415 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 5: Mexican law enforcement and military for a long time. The 416 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 5: guys who arrested El Chappa, for instance, were trained I 417 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 5: think by Mars Sock. But this has been happening for 418 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 5: a long time. But to go from that to unsanctioned 419 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 5: direct action would be a huge, a huge step up. 420 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 5: The only really analogous, directly analogous thing I can think 421 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 5: of is Clinton with a planned Columbia designating FARC as 422 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 5: a foreign terrorist organization, But that was very much with 423 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 5: the cooperation and support of the Colombian government. We're seeing 424 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 5: a much more adversarial relationship between the United States and 425 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 5: Mexico right now. The last thing I want to mention 426 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 5: is that this deployment, I've spoken about it, but they 427 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 5: are about sixteen hundred troops deployed right now. Biden deployed 428 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 5: fifteen hundred troops in the summer of twenty twenty three. 429 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 5: This is not a vastly different number that they are 430 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 5: doing different things. They seem to be chucking razor wire 431 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 5: on top of the wall and being photographed there two 432 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 5: major jobs at the moment. We will see how that 433 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 5: plays out. Also, with reference to military, Trump immediately canceled 434 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 5: the refugee resettlement program. This left people all over the 435 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 5: world stranded, including Afghans, many of whom worked for the 436 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: United States or family members of US service people. Their 437 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 5: refugee resettlement program, people don't come to the southern border. 438 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 5: They go do all their background things and then fly 439 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 5: into the United States to different status to entering and 440 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 5: claiming asylum. Those people, many of whom had booked flights, 441 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 5: found their flights were canceled. 442 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: They're now stranded. 443 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 5: Lots of them were stranded in Pakistan and facing immigration 444 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 5: enforcement there in the case of the Afghans. So yeah, 445 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 5: that is a speed run of all the terrible Trump 446 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: immigration executive orders. We'll be reporting on this pretty extensively, 447 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 5: so you can keep coming back for more. But another 448 00:22:54,119 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 5: thing that we have more of right now is advertisements. 449 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 4: Okay, we are back. I have a few other notes. 450 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 4: I want to add for the woke front that I'm 451 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 4: reporting on right now, I think it's been a lot 452 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: of conflation between you know, like DEI and like what 453 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: we would consider like affirmative action. DEI refers to like 454 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 4: these specific like corporate training policies and diversity initiatives, which is, 455 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 4: you know, separate from long standing affirmative action policies, which 456 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 4: has been used both in the corporate world and in 457 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 4: like the government for like decades at this point. And 458 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 4: what a whole bunch of this DEI rollback type stuff 459 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 4: is essentially doing is just openly discriminating against people who 460 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 4: are not like straight white men. It's like, if you 461 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: are a straight white man, we cannot hire you because 462 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 4: that would mean we are doing DEI. And like, this 463 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 4: is what a lot of the stuff that we're seeing 464 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 4: kind of looks like. There was a mass email to 465 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 4: federal agencies about DEI and calls to report DEI policy 466 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 4: in their department if they're going by like other names, right, 467 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 4: So that would be stuff like affirmative action, right, if 468 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 4: there's anything that that is about, you know, trying to 469 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 4: trying to increase the diversity in your workforce or any 470 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: quote unquote woke topics, including you know, gender ideology, anything 471 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 4: anything that seems vaguely woke. You're supposed to now report 472 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 4: to make sure that gets removed because that's not part 473 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 4: of the new federal government. I believe someone from the 474 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 4: NSA did leave a tip on that email line reporting 475 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 4: reporting DEI masquerading as as another name. Similar to this, 476 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 4: there was a memo or an email that was leaked 477 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 4: to Ken Klippenstein from the Defense Intelligence Agency which basically 478 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: said that they're not going to be observing any any 479 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 4: woke holidays, including Martin Luther King Junior's Birthday, Black History Month, 480 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 4: Women's History Months, the Holocaust Remembrance Day, Asian American Pacific 481 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: Islander Heritage Month, Pride Month, June teenth, Women's Equality Day, 482 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 4: National Hispanic Heritage Month, National Disability Employment Awareness Month, and 483 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 4: National American Indian Heritage Month, with a small asterisk saying 484 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 4: that the pause on observing these will not affect the 485 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 4: federal holidays, which would be MLK and Juneteenth, although who knows, 486 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 4: they might try to even remove some of those as 487 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: being federal holidays. 488 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 5: I did wonder that like at some point, you're gonna 489 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 5: like you're gonna lose people when you take away their 490 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 5: days off work. 491 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 4: I get, like that's right, right, So, like I think 492 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 4: they might leave those like actual federal holidays in but 493 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 4: you're not allowed to observe any of these, any of 494 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 4: these other awareness months or or you know, Pride Month, 495 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 4: Black History months, like you're not allowed to acknowledge that 496 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 4: at all in these federal agencies now, at least for 497 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: the Defense Intelligence Agency. Support for most of Trump's executive 498 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 4: orders does fluctuate. According to a poll from Reuters, the 499 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 4: support for closing all DEI offices is actually pretty split. 500 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 4: Fifty one percent oppose the closing of these offices. According 501 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 4: to their poll, Forty four percent are in fame and 502 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 4: it's very segmented. Renaming the Gulf of Mexico to be 503 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: the Gulf of America pretty disliked, with seventy percent being 504 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 4: in opposition. 505 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: Look, the one thing people hate most is changing names. 506 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 4: Having the names been change. 507 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody likes that. Yeah. 508 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did Denali as well. Right, Yeah, I guess 509 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: that was changed more recently. But the Gulf of Mexico 510 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: has been the Gulf of Mexico for longer than it's 511 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: America has existed as a country the United States, right. 512 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 5: I mean, Denali has been Denali for longer than America 513 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 5: has existed. 514 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 3: It's just right, right, right, But. 515 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: There was a period where we called it McKinley. No 516 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: one's ever called it the Gulf of America. 517 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 518 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying the Denali thing's right. I'm just saying, 519 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: like that's all a much harder. 520 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 3: So yes, yeah, yeah, you're not going to get much 521 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: buying on that. Yeah. 522 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 4: Pardening J six protesters, new tariffs or taxes on Canadian goods, 523 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 4: and ending birthright citizenship are all around sixty to thirty 524 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 4: sixty opposed thirty percent in favor. Trump. During his first 525 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 4: we did see a record high approval rating that is 526 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 4: slowly I think gone down, but I don't know, it's 527 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: hard to gauge the level of like general enthusiasm for 528 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 4: his actions right now. And there's I think part of 529 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 4: like the general strategy that we're seeing is there's just 530 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 4: so much happening every single day that you can't even 531 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 4: keep track of it all, let alone like internalize it. 532 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: Like he's he is trying to sign as many of 533 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 4: these orders every day so that both the courts, all 534 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 4: of these like NGOs advocacy groups are always working, and 535 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 4: we're never sure what is real, right, We're never sure 536 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 4: what's going to stick around all of these memos about 537 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: funding and grants. It's just so exhausting. And that's like 538 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 4: part of the design is that this just feels like 539 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 4: a constant stream of nonsense that we maybe have to 540 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 4: deal with, maybe we won't. One of the more odd 541 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 4: things is Trump openly embracing manifest destiny language, which I 542 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 4: guess isn't actually odd, that's actually makes sense. It's just 543 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 4: one of those things that it feels very rubicon esque. 544 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 4: But he does have this new distinct focus on territorial expansion. 545 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 4: During his inaugural address, he praised quote unquote our American 546 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: ancestors for having quote won the wild West. Now, apparently 547 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 4: the call about Greenland to Denmark did not go very well. 548 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 4: Denmark did not realize how serious Trump was and was 549 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 4: apparently quite angry during that phone call, and you know, 550 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 4: seemingly upset that Denmark is not going to easily hand 551 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 4: over Greenland. He seems to be pivoting more towards retaking Panama. Yeah, 552 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 4: which is which is something that he also mentioned in 553 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 4: his inaugural address. 554 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: Let me tell you Panamanians not stoked. 555 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 5: I've been receiving communications from Panama where it was his 556 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 5: step down, but they are burning American flags. 557 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 4: The quote from the inaugural address is quote the United 558 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 4: States will once again consider itself a growing nation when 559 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 4: that increases our wealth and carries our flag into new 560 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 4: beautiful horizons, and we will pursue our manifest destiny into 561 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 4: the stars. 562 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 3: Wow. 563 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, what, what do you have to do. 564 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: That's not a good thing. 565 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 4: I think that's bad, Like obviously, that's you know, not great, 566 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 4: not ideal. You know, invading Panama not ideal. Going to 567 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 4: war with Greenland slightly more funny because it's cold. I 568 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 4: think specifically he's focused on, like why that he believes 569 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 4: the US has a vested interest in Greenland? Isn't just 570 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 4: picking out a spot on the map. I think this 571 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 4: also could be like related to trying to prepare for 572 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: climate change. Having territory in the Arctic is going to 573 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 4: become an increasingly valuable commodity to have. And and I 574 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 4: think there is a part of this that could be 575 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 4: legitimately on on that side, because I mean, I don't know, 576 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 4: maybe Trump should just get really into Alaska. 577 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 5: Well, he did deregulate drilling in Alaska, drill baby drill. 578 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 5: I will be up there later this year talking to 579 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 5: people in Alaska about drill baby drill. 580 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 3: Very excited for. 581 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 4: That, but I don't know. I think it's also generally 582 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 4: not super useful to make huge generalizing statements about what 583 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: this type of stuff Trump is doing right now and 584 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 4: how it will reflect on his entire presidency. People have 585 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: been been doing this kind of about Trump's flip flopping 586 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 4: opinions on TikTok, you know, being very into like, you know, 587 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 4: saving TikTok and then then calling it worthless, but then 588 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 4: going back to actually making sure that Microsoft buys it 589 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 4: or something. And you know, people are very easy or 590 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 4: quick to like jump onto these sorts of things. Trump's 591 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 4: flip flopping tendencies maybe not sinking every single easy bucket 592 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 4: and acting like these would be emblematic of his entire presidency, 593 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 4: and like that's not the case. That that that does 594 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 4: not actually mean that Trump just says things even though 595 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 4: he's gonna call TikTok worthless, does not mean that he's 596 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 4: going to not do that easy lay up. We're all 597 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 4: aware of how much he just says what is on 598 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: his mind, yep. And I think these sorts of things 599 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 4: do not necessarily mean that he's going to like plummet 600 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 4: to being the most unpopular president ever because he, you know, 601 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 4: refuses to use the right messaging around TikTok or something. 602 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: The other economic situations he might walk us into would 603 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 4: be you know, much much more affecting to his general popularity. 604 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he is doing again. I talked about this 605 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: a lot. Why fascists succeed is that they try, like 606 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: they're constantly reaching for stuff, and oftentimes like they overreach, 607 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: but nobody pushes back so they get the thing, right. 608 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: That's what he's doing here. Do I think that he's 609 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: willing at this point to commit to a full scale 610 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 2: military invasion and armed occupation of Panama, a thing that 611 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: could be a real problem for his presidency? 612 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 613 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: Right, Like US troops dying in meaningful numbers in attacks 614 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: in a country that we had no fucking beef with before. 615 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: That could be a real fucking problem for a guy 616 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: who ran on the things that he ran on. But 617 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: maybe he gets a bunch of concessions for nothing. It's 618 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: the same thing with Greenland. You make the push, you 619 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: try to scare Denmark, you try to scare Greenland, and 620 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: you see if they'll accept something, and then you you 621 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: walk away, maybe with a coup, and you do it 622 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: fucking widely enough you might get something. 623 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: Right, Like, that's that's it. 624 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 4: He's he's testing his limits because that's what they do. 625 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look at Columbia, right, he immediately went 626 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 5: to like eleven on the retaliation scale and effectively received concessions. 627 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 628 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 4: So I think, you know, similar to how you know 629 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 4: it was annoying in the first like resistlib era, to 630 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 4: take every single crazy statement Trump says seriously, or like, 631 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 4: you know, do this performative outrage over every single thing 632 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 4: he does. I think it's also useless to do fast 633 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 4: mimetic reactions that form generalizing statements about you know, how 634 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 4: how something that Trump is doing is emblematic for the 635 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 4: rest of his term and now he's like doomed to failure. 636 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 4: I think those statements are actually pretty useless and at 637 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 4: the very least are not helpful. Right now, let's close 638 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 4: by talking about Guantanamo. I guess Robert and James, I'll 639 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 4: have I'll have you taken. 640 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 641 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: So, Trump has signed an executive order saying that they're 642 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: going to create a facility capable of storing thirty thousand 643 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: migrants in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. First, we should probably just 644 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: talk about how realistic this is. If you ever looked 645 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: at a topographical map of Guantanamo Bay, it's quite a large, 646 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: Like the US concession in Cuba, is a sizable degree 647 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: of land. But it's not easy land to build things on, 648 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: right like it is that it's rugged terrain, you would say, 649 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: So making a camp like this is almost certainly going 650 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: to be extremely expensive, and at least under kind of 651 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: the way things currently work, it will probably take a 652 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 2: good amount of time to get set up. 653 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 5: Like. 654 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 2: This is not a quick thing. This is not an 655 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: overnight thing. And one thing I want to remind people 656 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: of is that they have already have expanded a number 657 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 2: of camps and facilities in the US to deal with 658 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: all the migrants they are taking in. So this is 659 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: not the start. If you want to call this, and 660 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 2: I think it's fair to call this a plan to 661 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: start a concentration camp system, that system began early, and 662 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: in fact it started before Trump took office. A decent 663 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: junk of it was anticipating him coming into office, But. 664 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 5: This is not the first camp, right, Yeah, and like 665 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 5: Biden did significant legwork for detension that is cool and unusual, Yes, 666 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 5: with his legal defense and his establishment of outdoor detention 667 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 5: for migrants since the end of Title forty two in 668 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 5: May of twenty three. And I think, like we have 669 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 5: to acknowledge that, I know people are very much into 670 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 5: the like, don't criticize the Dems right now, Like if 671 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 5: they don't change, if taking a fat l in what 672 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 5: should have been one of the easiest elections of the 673 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 5: century doesn't change them, then nothing will. And like we 674 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 5: have to acknowledge that we are going to concentration camps quicker. 675 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 5: I mean there were foreign outlets that called the outdoor 676 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 5: detention sites in Hakumba concentration camps, right because they'd sure 677 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 5: as hell look like one. 678 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: And they are. This is a big personal frustration to me. 679 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 2: I'm seeing a ton of people going online and comparing 680 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: this to the Nazi concent camp hereafter referred to as 681 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 2: the KZ system. 682 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 3: Right. 683 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: There's one post I came across on Twitter where a 684 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 2: person whom I'm not going to name, just to not 685 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 2: cause a bunch of bullshit for them. Time from taking 686 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 2: office to opening a massed attention camp. Mussolini eight years, 687 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 2: ll Gala and others, Libya Hitler fifty one days. Docau 688 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,479 Speaker 2: Germany Trump nine days. That's fucking horseshit. Yes, Docou took 689 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 2: longer to establish. Docou was not the first concentration camp. 690 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: The concentration camp system in Germany under the Nazis started 691 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 2: as soon as the Nazis took power with a series 692 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 2: of what were called wild concentration camps, and this was 693 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 2: involved a huge number of people, largely political enemies of 694 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: the regime, members of the opposition party, being taken into custody, beaten, tortured, 695 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 2: and stored in a series of airsats facilities. Two hundred 696 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: thousand people were taken into custody under the wild concentration 697 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: camp system in nineteen thirty three, the first year that 698 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 2: Germans were in power. These are not comparable systems. That 699 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 2: does not mean that I don't believe what Trump is 700 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 2: doing is a concentration camp. It is a concentration camp 701 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: made in the model of the American system. This is 702 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 2: part of the American history of concentration camps, which goes 703 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: back something like two hundred years right to the I 704 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 2: mean we were one of the first countries. 705 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 3: To employ concentration camps. 706 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 2: The concentration camp as a concept began with what we're 707 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 2: called reconcentrados in Cuba at the behest of a Spanish 708 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: general fighting an insurgency. There were US officers embedded there. 709 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: They came back and those tactics were adapted for our 710 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 2: wars with Native American tribes on the frontiers and the planes. 711 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: General Sherman was one of the very first Americans to 712 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: carry out concentration camps. And what we are seeing here 713 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 2: is part of America's tradition with concentration camps. It is 714 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 2: not part of the German tradition with concentration camps. And 715 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 2: you're going to be mistaken about like how this is 716 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 2: going to proceed and what the dangers are, because I 717 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: do not think the dangers at this point are that 718 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 2: we build a death factory capable of incinerating a million 719 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 2: people in less than a year. That's not the threat. 720 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: The threat is huge numbers of people are taken into 721 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 2: custody and stored in places that are not safe, that 722 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 2: do not have good hygiene, that do not have good 723 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: food standards, and a significant number of those people will 724 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 2: die or suffer permanent physical injury, but it won't look 725 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 2: like Auschwitz. And if that's what people are expecting, they'll 726 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: be like, well, maybe this isn't that band, Maybe this 727 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 2: isn't a concentration camp after all. So it's important to 728 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 2: get things right, both for that reason and because it's 729 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 2: also disrespectful to the people who died during the fucking 730 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 2: Holocaust to be like, yeah, Trump's a lot worse than 731 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 2: Hitler right now, Like. 732 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 3: No, no, stop that. 733 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, Like we have you can trace online from like 734 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 5: Bosquier Rodondo, right, but they sent a Navajo people. 735 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 2: Right, Boss Gredondo is a great thing to bring. 736 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, And you can trace a direct line from 737 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 5: that to the outdoor detention comps we started twenty twenty three, 738 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 5: where people were forced to remain in one place without food, water, 739 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 5: or shelter, and people died as a result of that 740 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 5: last year two years ago, and like that from there 741 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 5: to Guantanamo Bay. 742 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 3: It is not a massive leap. 743 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 5: And yeah, just being like we don't have Auschwitz, it's 744 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 5: just asinine. Like if you can't acknowledge that America has 745 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 5: a long history of doing this, and you know, really 746 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 5: you need to examine your own preconceptions before like speaking 747 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 5: for others. 748 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 4: Yep, all right, is that this episode for this week? Everyone? 749 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: I think that's the episode. I think we're done. 750 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: We reported the news. 751 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 5: Thanks, we reported the news. 752 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: It could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 753 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 754 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the 755 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. 756 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 4: You listen to podcasts. 757 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 1: You can now find sources for It could Happen Here. 758 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 3: Listened directly in episode descriptions. 759 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.