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Speaker 1: is going to be such an interesting month because you

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Speaker 2: Just gonna stay on there, We're going to break.

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Speaker 3: We're back. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was always curious if you're going into like the

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Speaker 1: are you aware that you might end up with the ball?

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Speaker 1: Are you thinking about that?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: You don't, Let me explain some Travis. Travis, let me

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Speaker 2: explain something to you. The year before, in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and four, Doug mccavisch he literally just texted me.

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Speaker 4: He's a good buddy of mine.

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Speaker 2: Right, he had the ball from the Red Sox, okay,

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Speaker 2: and he went through hell because literally I text him

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Speaker 2: the game ended. I'm like, dude, put that ball on

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Speaker 2: eBay right now, okay, And he didn't do it. He's like,

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Speaker 2: So you know, they fought over it and suit him

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Speaker 2: and all this stuff. Right, So the next year I'm

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Speaker 2: in the World Series. We have two strikes on Orlando

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Speaker 2: Palm Merrow and my only going through my head besides

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Speaker 2: Knerico ended up giving it and giving it to Jerry Rhindser.

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Speaker 2: That junk would have been on eBay so fast the game,

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Speaker 2: we might have still been porn champagne and that ball

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Speaker 2: would have already been for sale on eBay. So trust me,

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Speaker 2: it went through my head a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be calling a swinging mispitch then, right.

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Speaker 4: And Bobby James said, the best curveball.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the metrics have, but he had

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Penerico got the five year deal. I didn't.

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Speaker 2: You know that's he got the captain I didn't all

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Speaker 3: Still a lot of glory.

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Speaker 4: It's all because he gave Jerry hinds Er.

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Speaker 2: He's like, Jerry, here's the ball we were you know hero, Yes, no,

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Speaker 4: He got it because he deserved it, but the ball helped.

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Speaker 3: Good question though. That was a good question, Travis.

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Speaker 5: Now and I like that you open this up with

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Speaker 5: a question for our guy making my life easier.

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Speaker 3: I have one for you.

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Speaker 5: How does Denzel Clark make a sick catch and only

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Speaker 5: have ninety five percent catch probability? I am a big

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Speaker 1: and it ninety five percent seems some sort of error

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Speaker 2: Travis only that it's like the home run and that

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the same light in the system or

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Speaker 2: There are some lie stars in there. But anyways, so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is pretty shocking because they have this really

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Speaker 3: Travis, let's get into some trade talk.

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Speaker 5: I know we're early, but we want to know who

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Speaker 1: Baseball Savant classifies as shadow pitches, waist pitches, pitches in

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Speaker 1: He just stands out to me as a most fascinating

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Speaker 5: You look different today, Do I see Chubby's shorts on

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Speaker 6: So many things to choose from the Chubby shorts dot com.

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Speaker 4: If he's the most fascinating guy, who's the most fascinating team?

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Speaker 4: it the Diamondbacks who also could possibly because you hear

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Those are I think the Red Sox really jump

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Speaker 1: they have all these moving attractive parts, and this would

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Speaker 1: while their fans don't want to hear it, this would

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Speaker 1: be perhaps an opportunitanistic deadline to take a step back,

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Speaker 6: Let's go on a timeline for Kyle Finnigans. Kyle Finnigan's

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Speaker 6: Because I've never heard anything bad about him. He's an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question, and it's you would look

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Speaker 1: it's been one of the more curious calendar years. Party

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Speaker 4: Starter, I'm I'm end closer.

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Speaker 6: He's been that closer. And the Nats are just they're

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Speaker 6: like a team's we're asking too little because you've got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think teams probably look at the strikeout rate

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Speaker 5: Travis, you've covered the Pirates quite a bit in the past.

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Speaker 3: You know this team pretty well.

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Speaker 5: Do you think there's any chance they do something beyond

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Speaker 3: Brian Reynolds.

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Speaker 5: based on their owner's prerogative. Do you think they try

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And they're in such an interesting situation,

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Speaker 1: how do they I think their focus should be on

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Speaker 1: for four more seasons, Bubba Chandler. His clock wills presumably

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Speaker 1: improve twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, so that's near

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Speaker 1: major league ready bats, major league ready bats, and they

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Speaker 1: are another team who maybe should add into that collection

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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm with you, Travis. Great to have you on.

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Speaker 5: Give Travis to follow at Travis Underscore, so check and

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Speaker 5: let us know if you hear about the path probability

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Speaker 5: investigation in High Pole. Well it sounds like potential Travis

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Speaker 5: article for The Score coming up.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Travis, Thanks Fellows,