1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: Live from Indianapolis. This is continuing cover each other NFL 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lally 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: here at the NFL Scouting Combine with Max Starts and 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: at Williams and our combined coverage is presented by First 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: National Bank. Let's get started. Remember F, D, I, E. C. 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: And Matt. You're you're back after a little break there. 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: Did you learn anything while in your two hours off? 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: Not so much. Back to the room. Recouped a little bit, 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: nothing too exciting. You know, you've got some food comits. 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: It's a little hard to come by around here. It 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: takes a little harder. Drinks even harder to Drinks are 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: a problem, they are. There's a shortmer. I'm saving quarter 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: ounces of water if I need to grab something like 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: that and fill it up. At least get you through 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: for a little bit. It's a good move. They're putting 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: us through the gauntlet here as well. That's exactly dress 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: is the key. Some we were modeling through this and uh, 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: we're starting to see some of the heights and weights 19 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: trickle in on. I haven't seen many of them. I'm 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: pretty excited dig in to be honest. Yeah, Um, we 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: talked about it earlier. Matt Correll coming in at the 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: just one and a half and two and twelve pounds, 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: So I think that's a win for him. It's definitely 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: a win for him. Yeah, I mean that shocks me 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: that he's that heavy. I mean I figured he'd be 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: six one issue, but the ankle injury, he couldn't work out. Yeah, 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: maybe maybe just benched a lot, you know, added some 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: upper body weight, it would be a smart move. But yeah, um, 29 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: you know, we've talked a little bit about what we've 30 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: seen in the heights and weights, and we just got 31 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: done talking about the uh the throwing aspect of tonight's workouts. Yeah, 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: we get to actually look at some of that stuff 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: with the with the quarterbacks, wide receivers and tight ends. Um, 34 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: the offensive lineman coming in today to do their media 35 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: part of the of this whole equation, and then uh, 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: they'll get on the field tomorrow. Um with the running 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: backs and fast and furious and it's starting to happen. 38 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: It's all here, it's all happened. There was a lot 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: of calm there before the storm. You know, everyone was 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: here and there was buzz, but there wasn't anything to 41 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: really report or back to you know, I mean now 42 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: we've got heights and weights and after the night, well 43 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: of all kinds of things, talking about one thing. You know, 44 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: we mentioned the offensive lineman. I wanted to get pick 45 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: your brain on this, Max. I know you'd like the player. 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: Um linder bomb, Yes, two nine pounds that was listed 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: at Yeah? Is that is that an issue? Again? We've 48 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: talked about this, like these guys who are listed at 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: those weights in college. He may have actually been to eighty. Yeah, 50 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: we don't know. Um, so what what would be a 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: good wait for him to come in at. I would 52 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: have liked to have seen him more in the mid 53 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: two nineties, um, you know, and if anything right below 54 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: three hundred probably would have been what I would have 55 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: liked to have seen because I just think it's a 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: it's not a red flag as an orange flag. Yeah, 57 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a caution flag to say, hey, how's this 58 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: guy gonna be? Because you have to think right now, 59 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: all the circumstances are perfect. He went to a training 60 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: facility where they focused on weight gain and gave him 61 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: way protein and creatind to make sure that he was 62 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: keeping weight on and everything. But what happens when you 63 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: go through two days, right, and you're losing all of 64 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: that water weight. You know, Now, does this guy fluctuate 65 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: down into the two seventies. I can remember having a 66 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: conversation with with one of your former teammates, Jeff Hardings, 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: about how difficult it was for him to maintain the weight. Yeah, yeah, 68 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: and I mean and yes, and that the year is 69 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: gonna be great, but that that August, September, October, you know, 70 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: where you're sweating a whole lot, and then you're also 71 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: trying to recover your body, but you're also trying to 72 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: tussle with these three pounders. That's where I get a 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: little worried when I see him come in a little 74 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: bit lighter. I'd rather see you come in a little 75 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: bit heavier this time of year. Just what knows you 76 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: have the capacity to operate that higher weight to get 77 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: to that level. Um yeah, I can remember. I think 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: I think Hardings told me eight, like six thousand calories 79 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: a day the season to maintain the weight. Jeff, Jeff 80 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: used to burn through food. It was I mean, it 81 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: was amazing. He'd be in the meeting rooms. It was 82 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: a shake in his hand. He's grabbing every free time 83 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: they're snack time, he's eating. It just wasn't a natural 84 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: weight for him. You see him now and he's like 85 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: twould say with Alan Fanica Fannica, Justin Hartwick another guy 86 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: that just he lost he stopped working out and it 87 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: went to to thirty. I was like, what I wish 88 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: I could just game, Oh you're making me eat to 89 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: stay this way, so you know, and that that that's 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: what my concern would be for him is does he 91 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: have that just what he's gonna fall up? Even Marquise Pounce, 92 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: I mean that was still struggle to keep to keep 93 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: Marse now and and Mike both shredded midsized guys, you know, 94 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: and so it's like, yeah, okay, So that that would 95 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: be my one concern with Linda Bob, just because I 96 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: wanted to see that number have a nine in the 97 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: middle and a little bit on the back side of that. 98 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: Let's stick with him for a minute though. I mean 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: he's a rare prospect. I mean he has great leverage, 100 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: hand strength, gets off the ball really well, excels in space, 101 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: wins with quickness. But what if can he be Jason Kelsey? 102 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: And there are many of those, There's not many of 103 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: those I mean, yeah, it's a goal stander, just like 104 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: asking is a d tackle gonna be Aaron Donald exactly. 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: So I think my my problem is, yes, he has strength, 106 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: and yes, you know, Iowa was not exactly the most 107 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: pro style. They were a run offense. I mean that 108 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: was just what they do. Yeah, I worry about him 109 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: in the past game with that weight and with that 110 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: lateral movement, having to go take on that three pounder. 111 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: I think there's ways to protect him. But if I'm 112 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: drafting a guy that high, I'm not thinking I need 113 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: to get protection contingency plans in place. Yea for a 114 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: center position because I think he could be Ragg dolf 115 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: in pass pro, especially good with the team that is 116 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: a pass heavy team, that could be a problem. And 117 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: that's where most of the league is. Like there's a 118 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: few exceptions, but they already have their centers, you know. 119 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna be my one my one thing. 120 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: I don't know how much I'm in love with those 121 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: stats now because what what was his what was his 122 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: arms he that was his listed weight in college. I 123 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: don't trust the listed weight. I'm gonna be inested to 124 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: see his arm length is what it was while I 125 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: was worried about cause I was watching him on the 126 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: podium earlier and he he was you know, he he 127 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: looked like like a like a like a pit bull. 128 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: You know, the arms were bent, and so I'm like, dude, 129 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: can't you straight straighten them out? Because that's gonna be 130 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: another thing. How do you create leverage on those bigger guys, right, 131 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: DJ readers of the world. Can you create that separation 132 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: with your hands? Right? And that's I think why he's 133 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: looked at strictly center only, Yes, And so you know 134 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: it's not like you can take him and put him 135 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: at guard while he learns. Yeah, and exactly like like 136 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: Thermanti Dawson, did you know, Okay, you have my webster 137 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: to learn from for the year, and then we can 138 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: plug you in a center the next year. Like I'm 139 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: totally with you on the DJ reader types. I mean, obviously, 140 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: they're massive human beings that are hard to move for anybody. Yes, 141 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: how more worried cam Hey or the forest Buckner, the 142 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: long arm guys that can just go right down the 143 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: middle of of the world, right right, Yeah, I mean, 144 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: and they're not as rare as you think anymore, as 145 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: great as cam is. Everyone has somebody that's a freak Cammish, right, right, right. 146 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean the next question about him to you is 147 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: you're running games scheme and the way your offense is 148 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: drawn past to really factor in with him too. It does, 149 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: It does, and that's why I think the run emphasis 150 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: has to be there. I think he's gonna he's gonna 151 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: excel in your zone schemes, right because he is that lighter, quicker, 152 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: faster guy. Yeah, Shanahan would love him. Uh, Denver will 153 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: probably love him. Um. You know, I question whether you 154 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: can go play k C, NFC North, a f C 155 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: or NFC North football where you're getting more man and 156 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: gap schemes. I've seen him mock the Ravens a lot. 157 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's what they want to the position. 158 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: You know, bigger guys, they want bigger beef your guy 159 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: because they know that's what it takes it in this division, uh, 160 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: to dominate, you know, because even for us, you know, 161 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: with the Steelers, we've always had bigger line. We don't 162 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: have those East west type of guys. We want guys 163 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: to go north and south and they have bigger bodies 164 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: that can take up space. Yeah, and you know I 165 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: see a lot of Steeler fans pounding the table for him, 166 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just don't know that he fits here. Yeah. No, 167 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean and and honestly green to guard and you know, 168 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean we don't we definitely want green up guard anyways, 169 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: Uh say that on arow So, I mean, if we're 170 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: looking for a center, I would just want a more 171 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: established guy at center. I would I would want a 172 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: veteran guy. Yeah, I want that. It's at this level, 173 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: especially whoever is going to be back there at QB right, 174 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: whether it albeit if it is a Mason right or 175 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: if it's somebody that you're bringing in a vet free agent, 176 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: you that that's a special synergy. Because I looked at 177 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: how when Rodney Hudson was added to the Arizona Cardinals, 178 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: I was bagging the table for the Steelers at him. 179 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: To me, I was like, how did we not get 180 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: Robbie Hudson? But I digress. He went, he went there, 181 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: and it automatically elevated the gameplay for the quarterback because 182 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: you had a guy who knew everything and could also 183 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: talk to him when he was like, hey, I'm thinking this, 184 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, well here, look at this. This is what 185 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: I remember, and this is how this rotation is gonna go. 186 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: You have a guy who can have dialogue with you, 187 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: and I think that's the biggest thing. You couldn't have 188 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: that with Kendrick because Kendrick didn't know what he didn't 189 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: know at the time. Throw another rookie in the same 190 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: mix isn't problem. That doesn't solve the problem. Is a 191 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: guy like a guy that I've been advocating for, James 192 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: Daniel from the Bears. Um, he's twenty four. They'll be 193 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: going on to a second condract. Pretty good player at 194 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, Ascending, Ascending came into the league as 195 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: a center. He's playing, He's he's he's a little on 196 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: the shorter side, gotten better. Is that the kind of 197 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: is that veteran enough to add to this group? I 198 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: think when you look at everybody else around him, it 199 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: is he at least is the adult in the room 200 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: him that has that requiens. He's got four years of 201 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: starting experience exactly. And it's a thirty two year old 202 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: Ryan Jensen that has a Super Bowl ring and played 203 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: for the right. You know, he's not He's still a 204 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: different piece than and ideally over the years when the 205 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: Steelers have gone out and gotten a free agent a 206 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: guy in free agency, it's been that guy who's going 207 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: to a second contract. They've not been a team that's 208 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: gone out and signed a thirty year old guy to 209 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: come in, you know, a guy going on to his 210 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: third contract. That's typically when they're looking to And the 211 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: youngest teams in the league this year, yeah, you know. 212 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think they want to keep build this 213 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: thing with youth and for the offense line, you want 214 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: guys to grow together, right, I mean, because you've blown 215 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: this up and now we're a base floor, so it's like, 216 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: let's build pieces that can be here four or five. 217 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: Just rented trade turner for the year, and do you 218 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: want to go that route again with a guy who 219 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: might only be there for a year or two or 220 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: when it was the last second band aid too. I mean, 221 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, for a problem that you didn't anticipate happening 222 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: three months before that, and I think that's where you 223 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: kind of have to do. I love the James Daniel 224 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: pick because, like you said, he's mature enough where he 225 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: can be the leader, and he has enough experience that 226 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: he's seen He's seen a lot, but the rest of 227 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: your room he has. He's also the most experienced in 228 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: that situation. It's still a young guy. It's still young 229 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: enough to you can you can sign him for you know, 230 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: four year deal and you know you're gonna get all 231 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: four years out of him, exactly exactly. I think back. 232 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember the transition between Jeff and but 233 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: when we eventually got the pounty, we had Justin Hartwig 234 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: and Shawan Mayhem. Yeah, both younger guys, but one of 235 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: them had to make that decision. You know, Sean didn't 236 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: work out after a year, but Justin did. And then 237 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: when Justice got on the wrong side of thirty, boom, 238 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 1: you have Pouncey come in. Yeah, I'm interesting. Now. The 239 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: whole line puzzle, I think is an interesting one and 240 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: absolutely has to include a veteran that isn't on the team. 241 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: But there I don't know that there's it's not gonna 242 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: be a quick fix. I mean, it's not gonna be 243 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: a great line next year. I mean could go together. 244 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: Left guard and left tackle could grow together. They're already 245 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: starting to, you know, it's it's yeah, yeah. Other thing 246 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: that makes it interesting this year, in my eyes, is 247 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: the fact that I don't know that we get to 248 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: see the Matt Canada offense right in People ask me 249 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: on tid what do they look at? What are they 250 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: looking to do here? I don't know. I think it's 251 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: hard to figure that out, you know, because and we 252 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: didn't have there was no training and you know, we 253 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: couldn't sit down and pick Matt's brain training camp. I would, 254 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: you know, maybe i'd sit and talk with him for 255 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: twenty minutes about, Okay, how do you view this? You know, 256 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: everything that we've done over the last you know, since 257 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: he's been with the team the last two years has 258 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: been via zoom type stuff or via you know, a 259 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: stand up outside on the football fields. Those are the 260 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: things that you miss in training camp, you know, sitting 261 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: there and talking to a position coach for twenty minutes about, 262 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, how do they how do you view this? 263 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: And so we don't know what Matt Candida's offense exactly 264 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: might exactly look like. And he inherited the quarterback and 265 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: he had to play to the quarterbacks track too. He 266 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: doesn't now he's going to contribute into picking the next one. Yeah. 267 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing, you know is, like you said, 268 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: it's having those moments where you get to see the process, 269 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, because there's a lot of things we can 270 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: speculate about because we haven't seen him. And when you 271 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: go to training camp, you're gonna see it, you know, 272 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: because you're in the you're in the lunch room with 273 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: those guys. You know, you can go pull up a table, 274 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: like you said, Dale and had that fifteen minute conversation 275 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: because we're all here stuck on the island, right, you know, 276 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: so you get to know guys a lot better so 277 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: that you can be more understanding when you're watching these 278 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: as opposed to, like I said, we're guessing from the 279 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: press box or from a sideline view, and nobody even 280 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: knows what he's thinking. And he's up in the press 281 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: box but he's isolated. So I mean, it's just such 282 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: a big thing to understand. Try and figure out what 283 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: is it going to look like because we didn't get 284 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: a clear picture of it this year, because it was 285 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: what Ben was capable of and what, of course Canada 286 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: wanted to do, and it never seemed like they never 287 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: mentioned that did a lot, and you wonder if that 288 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: was because Canada was up there in the press box 289 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: and now on the sidelines able to communicate clearly and 290 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: doing it through playing a game of telephone or if 291 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: it's okay, I know I'm gonna be up here and 292 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: a guy that's cool with that, and then also with 293 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: Sullivan right becoming closer with that connection because Sullivan so 294 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: much younger than Ben, probably didn't want to listen to 295 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: him all the time, and even though he thought he 296 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: was a great guy, but it's like, at the end 297 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: of the day, I need somebody who's in the trenches 298 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: with me that I can talk to, and he didn't 299 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: have that veteran quarterback as well. I think a lot 300 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: of our listeners think of mc cannon and go, oh, 301 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna put in a lot of unbalanced lines and 302 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: motions and play actions. Okay, he probably will, but there's 303 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: a lot more to it than that. I mean, that's 304 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: window dressing. You know, what's what? I don't know what's there, 305 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: What's what's what's the what is this gonna be? What 306 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: based philosophy that you operate from, because there's always got 307 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: to be a core. Yeah, it's always got a core 308 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: right now, and I don't know that because like it's 309 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, in Dale and I were talking about this 310 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: when I watched the games. You know. When I'm going 311 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: back and recapping the film, I'm like, usually your first 312 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: fifteen plays usually set up the rest of your game plan, 313 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: and then it's just variance off of it. Ye Shanahan, 314 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, they're Peyton or those guys their masters. 315 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: And I did, and I didn't see even with with 316 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: b A and whiz right, they had their own way 317 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: of showing you something in the beginning and then tweaking 318 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: just a little bit with emotion or some way the 319 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: set is presented and still getting the same thing. I 320 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: didn't see that. It looked like everything was new, and 321 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: he was just throwing things on a wall to see 322 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: what they were gonna do, and then when they couldn't 323 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: do it, they just scrapped it instead of saying, you 324 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: know what, let's try this again later in the game, 325 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: because we now know what they're We now know what 326 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: the defense is likely to do when we give them 327 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: that look exactly. So now I'll make that, make that 328 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: adjustment off of that and and make it successful. You 329 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: can bring up Shanahan, but all the real x is 330 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: and no offensive gurus will tell you from the naked eye, 331 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: it all looks the same, but there's these little tweaks, 332 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: these tiny little angles or use chet ex use just 333 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: a little different, and those things make all the difference. 334 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean exactly. You know, instead of lining him up 335 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: to the left in a wing position, motion him to 336 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: that position and maybe he gets a little bit wider 337 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: this time to have a better crack angle. I mean, 338 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: all those little things. But you'll be like, oh, it 339 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: looks the same, sure if you're sitting there just watching 340 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: on TV. It's the same every time I play Madden. 341 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean listen, I mean, you know my creative player 342 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: running back, you know this all ninety nines. You know 343 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: he has no problem with this. Yeah, the same play 344 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: over and over again, and they can't stop it exactly 345 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: and go hit pause and use the bathroom. You get 346 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: a beer and think it over. And what do I 347 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: want to run? Here? On fourth and one? Exactly Bo 348 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: Jackson on tech Mobil. You know it's like on touch. 349 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Whatever he does, he can't touch him. We're gonna take 350 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: a break. Our Combine coverage is presented by First National Bank. 351 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: Let's get started, member ft I C. I'm Dale Lally 352 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: here with Max Starks and Matt Williamson. Uh, this is 353 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: not quite the drive, it's kind of the drive. We 354 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: are live at the NFL Scouting Combine. We're here again 355 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: tomorrow and on sad Sturday Saturday show, a kind of 356 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: a truncated one from ten to one. We're here today 357 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: until four. We're expected to be joined by Cam Heyward 358 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: at three somewhere in that range. But we're gonna take 359 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: a break and we'll be back with more right after this, 360 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: Live from Indianapolis. This is continuing coverage of NFL Combine 361 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: on the Steelers Nation Radio. Our combined coverage is brought 362 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: to you by First National Bank. Let's get started, member 363 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: f D I C. I'm Dale Lally here with Matt 364 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: Williamson and Max Starks. We're all of course of the 365 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: Steelers Radio network and uh various other things and that 366 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: we all do. But guys, we were into deep into 367 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: the combine now that we're gonna need some workouts tonight. 368 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: One position we haven't really touched on at all in 369 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: in this whole deal, No MaTx. You mentioned Sauce Gardner 370 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: earlier um today, but we haven't gotten much into the 371 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: cornerback group as a whole. And it's kind of a 372 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: spot where even the Steeler free agents, and I mean 373 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: there's gonna it's an interesting spot right now for this 374 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: It really is. I mean because when you look at it, uh, 375 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: Joe Hayden unrestricted free agent, thirty two years old. You 376 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: know what do you do with Joe? I mean, he's 377 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: been he's been a great player for them. Again, you 378 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: you want to keep some of those veteran leaders in 379 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: the locker room, and he's one of those. But how 380 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: you know what's that worth? Too? Killer Weatherspoon came in 381 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: last year and and played well when he got on 382 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: the field towards the end of the season actually led 383 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: the NFL in passer rating against uh. And so you 384 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: have that, um, you know, then you you start looking 385 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: at the guy like Arthur Mallett who came in and 386 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: played some slot for you last year, also an unrestricted 387 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: free agent. Uh. You know, so right now it's it's 388 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: Cam Sutton justin lane and who's say, you know, James 389 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: Pierre still hanging around. But you know you're not gonna 390 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: go into the season next year where those three now 391 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: absolutely not. So do you add in this draft at 392 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: that position or do you do you look free agent more? 393 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: For that? I think and here's the thing. Cornerbacks get 394 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: paid so much, so it's tough to say free agencies there. 395 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: I think if you have some guys that over probably 396 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: overvalued themselves, that are sitting there, you know, week three, 397 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: week four, a free agency, yeah you get some value adds, 398 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: but I think you have you have to go young. 399 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: You have to go find a cornerback in this draft. 400 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: And you know, Sauce Gardens are not gonna be there. 401 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: That not equivocal one, but I think, yeah, he's not 402 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: going to be here. So you know, you start looking 403 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: at other guys. You know, maybe a security Elam from Florida, 404 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: a Lante Taylor. You know, you start looking at some 405 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: other guys web um that are gonna be those Day two, solid, 406 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: Day three guys um and try, I'm sorry, that solid 407 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: Day two, second third round pick guys um to find 408 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: value there. I think that's where you're you're looking to hit. 409 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: So you're looking at that second tier still very good, 410 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: but know you probably want to get somebody this younger 411 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: because it's gonna cost you a lot less. Yeah. The 412 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: tough thing for the Steelers has always been because they've 413 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: been cornerback needy since you played. Yes, exactly. It's always 414 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: been the The problem is this value pass rush more 415 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: than they do corner they do, you know it. And 416 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: when you're when you're average draft picking the Kevin Colbert are, 417 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: you're not getting Joe Hayden. He's going tenth overall. You know, 418 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: you're not getting You're not getting these these high talked 419 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: You're not getting those guys. There's a sauce gardener every 420 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: year and he's not gonna you know. I mean, there's 421 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: just rare. Here's my take on the corner position. I 422 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: don't know if they can pull it off because there's 423 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: a lot of things to do with money. But in 424 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: the mornings the last two days, Jerry and I have 425 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: really talked about leadership on this team. It would hurt 426 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: me to lose Hayden in that regard, and I don't 427 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: know if you'd pay for a little less. Could you 428 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: get him on a one year deal, That's how I 429 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: would approach him, but even more of a priority. I 430 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: don't want Weathersby Weathersben walking out that door. I mean, 431 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: I think this is the last time you can get 432 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: him at a reasonable price. I'm not saying to be 433 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: Dion or Rod Woodson, but he's an outside corner that 434 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: more than proved himself. And if I can go into 435 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: next year with Witherspoon, Hayden and Sutton basically is my slot. 436 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: I can live with a fifth round guy, and then 437 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: maybe next year it's a first round guy, you know 438 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: what I mean, especially if the pass rushes where it 439 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: has been. That's what I would try to shoot for. Yeah, 440 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: I just it's gonna be really tough to convince both 441 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: of them to take that value. So as long as 442 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: I hit one of those two, then I can live 443 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: with one. I can live with one. And then now 444 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: I go day two and find me that corner right 445 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: that that that can be that guy. And then after that, 446 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: then now I'm taking a later corner. Because I already 447 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: have my two. I can depend on Sutton, Slash whoever 448 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: draft pick inserted kid is, or if somebody falls to us, 449 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: you know that that we didn't expect, it's like you 450 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: gotta take it right now. The thing is too, if 451 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: you if you only get Horn or Witherspoon and you 452 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: already have Sutton, you could take an outside guy, or 453 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: you can take a slot, you know, I mean, It's 454 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: not like I only can take one style of corner 455 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: With all respect to Justin Lane, I mean, can you 456 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: count on him? I mean, he's gonna be in here. 457 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it takes a step forward, but I don't think 458 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: you can look at him and say I'm trusting him 459 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: for valuable playing time yet wherever. Yeah, I mean who knows. Yeah, 460 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: everything get out of him is a bonus. But yeah, 461 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: you're you're talking about a guy who was the third 462 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: round pick. It's cornerback position after the position had been 463 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: pretty well picked over. I mean that's just the way. 464 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: That's the reality of the situation, and it's it's where 465 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: they always find themselves. Um, you know, you have another 466 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: need somewhere else, and you're not going to reach to 467 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: take a cornerback just to take a cornerback. If you've 468 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: got the cornerback, you know you're picking its twenty four 469 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: and the top three four cornerbacks are gone. You're not 470 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: gonna take the fifth guy twenty four who's on your 471 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: board is Yeah, you know, it's just that that's how 472 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: you run into trouble. Yeah, and that's what we see. 473 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: You're in a year out right, you get those runs 474 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: and then everybody feels like, oh my god, I gotta 475 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: get this guy, Gotta get this guy right now and 476 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: create that frenzy. And it's like I was rushing to 477 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: get this because everybody else got it and I didn't 478 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: get I didn't get the ones like the other guy's 479 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: got right, Yeah, right, Yeah, My toy is not as shiny. 480 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: My bed is too. Is When Draft Day rules around 481 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: rolls around, there's would be two or three more two 482 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: or three positions ahead of corner on the pecking order. 483 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: It's tackle, quarterback, whatever it might be, linebacker, wider sea tackles. Yeah, absolutely, 484 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: I just don't. I'd be really shocked if that's a 485 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: top round one pick, but maybe even round two. You're 486 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: looking one of the two Washington guys, Trent mcguffie or 487 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon, you know, and you know that's who you're 488 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: you're likely to get there if you go corner cornerback 489 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: in the first round. Not that they're bad prospects, but 490 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, they're not the top two guys. They're they're 491 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: they're not they're not what you really need in one. 492 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: You know, I did a study, um two years ago 493 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: before the season started. I was just curious, Um, you know, 494 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: the Steelers that time had Joe Hayden and Steven Nelson 495 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: as their starting cornerback. So I did a study. I 496 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: looked at every team in the league who they're starting 497 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: cornersbacks were and whether they had been drafted in house 498 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: where they were free agents, and over half of the 499 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: starting cornerback duos in the league were acquired in free agency. 500 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: So Dave and I did this. When when he did 501 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: the study, we obviously did the drive and talked about it, 502 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: and collectively we kind of came up with, well why 503 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: is that? And my thoughts on it are corners fail early? 504 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a really hard position. Come in the league, 505 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: a lot expected of get thrown at like crazy. Get 506 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 1: thrown at like crazy. You're gonna you're usually gonna get 507 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: the draw of the best right receiver on the field. 508 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: They're gonna match you. They're gonna get you matched up, 509 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, and you have to prove yourself right away. 510 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you one get bad game where everyone's picking 511 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: on you. The next month you're gonna get picked on 512 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: and therefore maybe your fifth year option is in pay 513 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: it picked up and you have a better stint in 514 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: team number two. Yeah, you know, well you get to 515 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: or you can quote unquote erase the history, right, I 516 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: get a clean sheet at a new spot, or unless 517 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: you're ELII Apple, it just continues to travel. But you 518 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: keep getting those chances, some rocky moments in casey And 519 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's it's it's it's a tough position. 520 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: It's very it's a really I mean one on one 521 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: playing defense, you know, and and you and you mature 522 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: through the process, you know, that's the other thing. And 523 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: then scheme matters how much a lot? Yeah? Am I 524 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: am I cover two corner that you're asking me to 525 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: play more cover one? Right? And I'm more man than 526 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: I am zone because there's some guys the Richard Sherman's 527 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: of the world, Right, I only play on one side 528 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: of the ball, and I played this way, and that 529 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: is it. You know, I don't travel, I don't I 530 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: don't go follow the best receiver. I played this side 531 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: of the ball. That's why are allowed to dictate that 532 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: and actually say or get lucky enough that their coach 533 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: doesn't get fired while they're on day two or year 534 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: two of their contract and they come in and bring 535 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: a totally different scheme in and you have to learn, 536 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: whether you like it or not. Or they get to 537 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: the appointment Sherman's career where he can pick and choose 538 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: his scheme. You know, I'm I'm probably going the whole fame. 539 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have to play right now. You know, 540 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: the people you were saying that the Steelers should sign 541 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: him last year in free agency, I'm like, I don't 542 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: know that he fits here with what they want to do. 543 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: I don't think so he he doesn't fit that scheme. 544 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you need somebody that's gonna be versatile, it's 545 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: gonna be tough, and can consistently tackle. I mean that's 546 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: what chacking. Tackling is huge for them because you have 547 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: to have a guy that's fearless. I mean, you know, 548 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: for everything that we said, but I I was not 549 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: afraid to go down and tackle a guy. You know. 550 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: So I think that's how you kind of have to 551 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: look at it, and you see Joe is not afraid 552 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: to put his face. Cam is definitely not afraid to 553 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: put his face. That's the one drawback I have with 554 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: wither Spoon, yeah, is that the physicality isn't quite what 555 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: you typically get out of a Steeler's Cornerback's built a 556 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: little different than those guys too, is a little more angular. Now, 557 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: maybe that changes. You didn't have him in training camp 558 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: last year. He joined the party late, maybe a year 559 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: in camp. Hey, kello, this is how we play the 560 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: game an offseason to really sink in those theories. Yeah, 561 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: but if because he has a size, Nick Chubb's coming 562 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: around the edge or Mixing or Dobbins or you know, 563 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: you gotta step up, that's it's no business decisions to 564 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: be made outside of just executing the business at hand. Yeah, 565 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: that's the one thing you can say about Joe Hayden. 566 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: He is not afraid to throw the body around and 567 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: stick his nose in there and do those kind of things. 568 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes that means you're you're taking on 569 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle who's pulling out there to come get you, 570 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta find a way to get 571 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: the job done. Exactly. It's get off the train tracks, 572 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: but also derail the train. I mean, I think it's 573 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: a harder and harder position all the time. The rules 574 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: aren't very favorable to you. You can't put your hands 575 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: on guys, I'm especially compared to college. To me, that's 576 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: another massive transition these guys have to deal with is man. 577 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: I got away with holding these guys a little more 578 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: in college and now getting flag left and right, and 579 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: they're picking on me. I mean, it's a kind of 580 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: a vortex of bad stuff coming offensive past interference, like 581 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: these guys holding legal no offense, offensive lineman, but holding 582 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: legal and you know, roneous, erroneous, it's called it's illegal. 583 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: And then the other thing is too These quarterbacks can 584 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: hit a pinpoint, you know, even when my coverage is great. Oh, 585 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: I just gave up a twenty yard game. I did 586 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: everything right exactly. Aaron Rodgers hits Adams on a back 587 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: shoulder face. What am I supposed to do? Yeah? Or 588 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: you hit him and you're literally draping the dude, but 589 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: it hits him right right here and he falls on 590 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: top of it, and then it comes completely You're just like, 591 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: because the receivers are better than most of the guys 592 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: you faced in college. You know, that's just the reality 593 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: of the situation. You're seeing a stud day in and 594 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: day out. Um, and it's just I think it's the 595 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: hardest position to play in the NFL because the rules 596 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: are completely set up against you. Yeah. No, I would 597 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: say defensive backs probably the toughest one of all of them. 598 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: And then you know and then of course you know 599 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: the tackle position, the left tackle, I'll say, the left tackle, 600 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: and then of course the occasion when you get the 601 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: t J Watts in the world, the right tackle comes 602 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: into play, but that left tackle has the same thing. 603 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: Right you're the island, the referees right behind you. You've 604 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: got to be as right as possible. You can't just 605 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: milage the bodies because that pass rushers rushing wide on you, 606 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: unless it's James Harrison, and then you can clothesline him. Yeah, well, 607 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: or he just traps your elbow and you can't even 608 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: you can't even put really properly hold him without falling 609 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: on top of him. I don't know if we have 610 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: time for this discussion, Max, but dyl and I have 611 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: talked about a lot over the years. You and Joe 612 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: Hayden don't look anything like you know, but I think 613 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: both your positions are very similar in that it's highly reactionary. 614 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're really playing defense and protection, just 615 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: like a corner is. You know, I'm trying to mirror 616 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: this guy or you know, follow what he's doing, keep 617 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: him out of the way of the football or my 618 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: quarterback or whatever. But Combine Week really stands out to 619 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: me that in this league, the discrepancy athletically of the 620 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: defensive lineman over the offensive lineman is greater than I've 621 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: ever seen it. And the next biggest discrepancy are these 622 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: receivers versus corners. I mean, there are the elite ones, 623 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: the sauce gardeners in the singletaries that go high, but 624 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: there's also the third round dude that's a good athlete 625 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: and holding on for dear life. But every team has 626 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, we were talking bagels. They got boyd they 627 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: got Higgins, they got you know, Chase. You know that's 628 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: not uncommon poison. Yeah, I mean just the athletic discrepancies 629 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: that those two positions right now, it's pretty great, especially 630 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: with the big men. Well, no, especially in the big man. 631 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the things that we've kind 632 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: of been trying to combat over the last I'd say 633 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: four years, is the evolution of the position. Right we 634 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: always think about the evolution of how each of these 635 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: positions have gone. And you've seen great strikes and wide receivers. 636 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: You've seen great strikes in the tight end outside of rules. 637 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: What what the tight end bodied type is is not 638 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: traditional linebackers pass rushers, and then even for your D 639 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: tackles right with with the advent of the geno Atkins 640 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: to Aaron Donald phase of undersized D lineman that can 641 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: just rip you apart. Do you know Thatives was the 642 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: third round pick that came out this year and go fifth, Yeah, 643 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: he's one of your top pass rush so but yeah, 644 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: you're right, cornerback has not because right, and with offensive 645 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: lineman that's a pass protector, we're back pedaling and reacting 646 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: to what the other person is. They're dictating the fight 647 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: to us, and you're always wrong and partially right, and 648 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: whatever decision you make, and you're trying to keep quote 649 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: unquote the half man relationship. As an offensive lineman, you're 650 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: trying to keep his his inside half with your outside 651 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: half so you can give him a one way go. 652 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: And same thing with the corner right, I want to 653 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: direct and jam you. But then it's like after five yards, 654 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: get your hands off, don't touch him. But now you 655 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: have to use your body and this guy you could 656 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: be parallel with him, and now you give him a 657 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: two way go. You want to bracket him to the 658 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: sidelines right, because it adds an actual that actually helps. 659 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: It helps you a little help. But they and for me, 660 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: it's it's traveling into the inside to the guard right, 661 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: getting him in the b gap on inside and hopefully 662 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: the guards still their body presence wise. So it's just 663 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,959 Speaker 1: it's tough to do that because, like you said, it's 664 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: the island mentality. I'm by myself with this person and 665 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: they have everything at their disposing. I gotta react to it. 666 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: So you're never truly right unless until it does work 667 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: or the quarter that gets the ball off or they 668 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: don't throw in your direction. And if that guy beat 669 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: you once like a hockey goal, and remember right stopped 670 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: him the other sixty plays in the game, and on 671 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: a sixty one he get a sack, and all of 672 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: a sudden, you steak and he's going, he's on, he's 673 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: on right, and he's got a big tire game. And 674 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: then the back of the corner position. Then these damn 675 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: offense coordinators take Tyreek Hill and put him the slot 676 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: and give him a two way go. I can't even 677 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: givens start with like exactly you know what the challenges. 678 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: So they're like, we're gonna try and make it his 679 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: advantageous to us. Let's put the guy in the worst 680 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: quandary at all possible. Two way go against Tyreek, I 681 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: mean or him in motion and I gotta try to 682 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: catch up with him. But for the ball snap, and 683 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: I know he's faster than me exactly. That's gonna taking 684 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: a baseball bat to just I'm cutting you every time 685 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: I see you. We're gonna take another break here. Our 686 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: combine coverage is presented by First National Bank. Let's get 687 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: started member f D. I c um here with Max 688 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: Starks and Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lally. We are live 689 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: at the NFL scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. So we'll 690 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: start to see some workouts tonight here as the quarterbacks 691 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: of wide receivers and running backs get on the field. 692 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: But we'll be back with more right after this live 693 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: from Indianapolis. This is continuing cover each of the NFL 694 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. We are back. Our combine 695 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: coverage is presented by First National Bank. Let's get started 696 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: Member f D. I see Dale Lolly here with Max 697 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: Starks and Matt Williamson. Um getting into a day three. 698 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: Day three for us, Yeah, Yeah, Day three combine day 699 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: four since we've been here, yes exactly, we leave on Saturday. 700 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: I've got my days all mixed up every time so 701 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: far's I've honestly checked my phone twice to see us today. 702 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: I'm like a hamster on a on a wheel here. 703 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: You just get up do the same thing, you know, 704 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: over and over again. Yeah, good stuff, but you get 705 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: into the groove and and so you know, so it works. 706 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: But lots of stuff happening here around the league as well, 707 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: as we mentioned in a previous segment there, the NFL 708 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: sending out a memo to all thirty two teams that, uh, 709 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: it is lifting COVID nineteen protocols immediately, alright, immediately, And 710 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: so that means that, um, well, there's the potential to 711 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: uh have open locker rooms. There's a potential for teams 712 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: to actually bring these guys into the buildings and have 713 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: visits with them. Dare we say business as usual? Dare 714 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: we say tentatively? Dare there? It's not tentatively, it's effective 715 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: immediately we've been under these Yeah, I mean it's back 716 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: to what it was before I ever heard the work COVID. 717 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: That basically what they're saying appears that might be the case. 718 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: And so I think that's all welcome. Um, you should 719 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: be welcomed by everyone I can. I know that that 720 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: the Steelers, uh, the media room at the at the 721 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: Rooney's up mc rooney Sports Complex has been taken over 722 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: by the offensive line UM to use as a meeting 723 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: room because it's a big space. Um of interesting to 724 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: see how that works. You just go back to where 725 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: we were before, right, But it just from a from 726 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: a logistical standpoint, these last two years had to be 727 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: a nightmare for NFL teams trying to you know, living 728 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: under these protocols, and and the Steelers dealt with last 729 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: year with all the we're gonna play on Wednesday, we're 730 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: gonna play on Tuesday, we're gonna play you know, just 731 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. That's a lot harder people 732 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: realize that Max explained explained to us about like you 733 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: get ready to play a game, you spend your time, 734 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: you spend your time leading up to the game preparing 735 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: to play the game. It was supposed to be on 736 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: a Thursday against the Ravens, so you're getting ready to play. 737 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: It's the Ravens. The Ravens is a short week it's 738 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: a short week, so your you know, going into it, Okay, 739 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: you place you play Sunday. Monday is kind of the 740 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: get right day. Tuesday you're practicing. Yeah, and even Monday, 741 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: Monday is a heavy installed day in that situation, in 742 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: the get right day. And then yeah, the next thing 743 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: you do Tuesday morning. Now now we're actually getting after it. 744 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: This is like a hybrid Wednesday Thursday. And then you 745 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: know that that that then that Tuesday is your Thursday Friday, 746 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: and then the day before on Wednesday, you're not you're 747 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: not playing, and then you're like, wait a second, yeah, 748 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: now we're not playing. We're not we're not playing. And 749 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: then they said, okay, we're gonna do it this it's 750 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: gonna be honest. It was and it was supposed to 751 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: be a Thanksgiving day game, so you made you made 752 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: plans with your family and told them not to come 753 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: depending on how it was. And then now I was like, oh, 754 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: I get to be home for thanks you but guess 755 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: what we have practice day morning, you know, instead instead 756 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: of instead of playing a game at night. And then 757 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, the day after Friday, I'm not getting that. 758 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm not getting that three day weekend. You know that 759 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: you half by, so now I got to cancel whatever 760 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: family plans I was doing, and you're waiting it out. 761 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: Essentially you're going to practice. It's like, how hard do 762 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:25,919 Speaker 1: I go and practice because I don't know when the play? Yeah, 763 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: and it's like, are we going to cancel or we plan? 764 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: But we need to stay prepared. But then okay, now 765 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: we're starting to bleed into prep for the following game 766 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: that we're supposed to be anticipating. So it's a big 767 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: it's a big upheaval in the process. And and I 768 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: can't even begin to fathom how those guys had to 769 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: deal with that. You know, you speak to him and 770 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: guys tell you about the adjustments, but it's a different 771 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: thing living it versus verbalizing it, right, I mean, because 772 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: mentally and physically, like you know, for us creatures have 773 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: you also get into a mode where it's almost like 774 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: autopilot on how your body gonna regenerate and be good 775 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: enough to play the next week. But then when you 776 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: kind of try and speed it up, and you slow 777 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: it down and you speed it up, and then you 778 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: get like a Tuesday night game and you're like, I 779 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: still have my game at Sunday one o'clock. So now 780 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: the next game is going on, no matter what, no 781 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: matter what. I mean, having never played the game and 782 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: then being affiliated with teams, it shocked me. A lot 783 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: of creatures a habit, Like Dale said, how strict creatures 784 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: a habit football players and maybe even more so football coaches. 785 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: Are you know, like Thursday at two pm, I'm gonna 786 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: be here every week, you know, Wednesday at six o'clock 787 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: in the morning, I'm gonna be doing this. I mean, 788 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: and you mess with that. They really disliked it. Yeah, 789 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: you get disgruntled. I mean you get real, real angry 790 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: about it because I know, like for me, I knew 791 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: that every Thursday night I was I was getting my acupuncture, 792 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,479 Speaker 1: I was getting my massage, same person, say, same place, 793 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: same time slot, week, two weeks six for nine years, 794 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: nine years for nine years. And I had my one 795 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: or two adjustments because if it's a Thursday night game 796 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: or we get a Monday night game like those, only 797 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: ahead of time and to have schedule, and I planned 798 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: for it mentally, so then you get there, you tell 799 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: me it's Thursday, and then now it might it might 800 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: be Sunday. Okay, maybe we might not get the game. Okay, 801 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: we're going on Tuesday. What I am pissed because it 802 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: has differently my mental and my physical biomacare and my 803 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: body's used to this, like it knows to have that 804 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: shock in its system. I know that one time of year, 805 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Thursdays, maybe one to two Monday night 806 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: games where it delays, so I get a little bit 807 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: more recovery. Never on the lesser side, you always planning 808 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: for the least amount of recovery and then you work 809 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: from there. But a Monday night or you still treat 810 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: it like your normal routine. It's just I know that 811 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: I have that extra day built in there, and that's 812 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more rest at nighttime. Maybe I 813 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: don't have to watch as much film as late in 814 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: the evening, so I can get a little bit more 815 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: rest at night sleeping. But that's it. Anything else other 816 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: than that, when you have to her key jerky kind 817 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: of my scars was just all out of whack. That's 818 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: that's when you get guys that go into a tail. 819 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: So pretty much every minute of the week is planned, 820 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: you know, and you've given a lot of thought in 821 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: detail that what's is what best for me, that's what 822 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: best for the team. My wife always says, is somebody 823 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: who's covered to the league now for twenty nine years, 824 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: she always likes it more in football seven. Even though 825 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm working more hours, she knows exactly what my schedule 826 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: is exactly because it's the same thing every week. Predictability. 827 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: You know, Okay, Tuesday's press conference day, Wednesday's you're down 828 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: at the facility in the morning and you're there all day. 829 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: And then you know it's I do the same thing 830 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: every week, and so it becomes you know, habitual. You know, 831 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: even though you're around yea, even though you're working those 832 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: those sixty hours a week, I know what I know 833 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. So there's no surprise, is I mean, 834 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 1: there may be a story surprise or something like that, 835 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: but I know exactly where I'm going to be every week, 836 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: and I know when the trips are and all that 837 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And again you fall into habits like 838 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: that as well, when you when you cover the house, well, 839 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: there's that, all right, he won't be here between two 840 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: and four. I can't relax. But but I think, but 841 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: and and that that's also you know, the rigors of 842 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: sports in general, right, everybody likes a routine. We like predicted. 843 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: We don't like variability. And that's what you can get 844 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: with maybe some other sports, like if you're a track 845 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: and field or something like that, you know whether you're 846 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: in heat one to heat. You know there's that variability, 847 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: but you also know when you're gonna run. But sports 848 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: is a very methodical thing, a very ritualistic type of thing, 849 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 1: because you know that when the game is going to 850 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: be played. You know it has these three variable days Thursday, 851 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,760 Speaker 1: Sunday and Monday when you and Saturday's are are always 852 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: but that's at the end of the year. That's like, 853 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: that's like bonus stuff. But that's what you're anticipating when 854 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: you get any day out of those three potential days 855 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: o the week and it's not listed, forget it. Think 856 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: about like the Raiders this year had a game that 857 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: was pushed back. They were on the plane, yeah, getting 858 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: ready to fly out, and they canceled the game, like 859 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: canceled the game on them mid Arizona. Arizona was the 860 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: other one. They were flying mid flight and the plane 861 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: turned it around. I mean nobody knew until they were 862 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, you had a little screen on your screen. 863 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: Why are we making a U turn? Your immedia thought, 864 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: what the hell is wrong with the plane? Yeah? Exactly 865 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: are making emergency landing? Is that what we're doing right now? 866 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: The coach is probably like, we could have practiced today 867 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: if I hadn't noticed that, had the time, I could 868 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: have got something positive done. I could have watched something 869 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: more film. I could have broke down tape or at 870 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: least get the guys some more treatment. Right, There's so 871 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: many other things, so that that's the one thing. You know. 872 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: Obviously it's been a century since we've ever had to 873 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: deal with the pandemic of this magnitude, so we have 874 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: no requisite experience. But it's still it's one of those 875 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: things where you're expecting higher warm. It's from a consumer 876 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: standpoint and from another stand and from a TV and 877 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: obligatory you know, we paid money for this stuff. But 878 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: then there's a human element where it's like this is 879 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: a break to us too, because trust me, we want 880 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: to perform at said time during those said parameters, and 881 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: now we're changing that, which brings me this week in 882 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: really draft time in general, like, yeah, you guys are 883 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: creatures a habit as players. Week two, Week three week four. 884 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 1: But you also for much of your life, high school, college, 885 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,240 Speaker 1: you're off seasons are similar except for this one because 886 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: season you're done playing football. You're not gonna touch another 887 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're not gonna play in a game until 888 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: for quite a while. But I have to prepare my 889 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: resume athletically all the above, unlike I ever had in 890 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: an off season before. And then no one's ever been 891 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: to a Senior Bowl, no one's ever been to an 892 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,800 Speaker 1: All Star game, let alone this place where it's just 893 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: drag you by your ear place after place after place 894 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,959 Speaker 1: in the biggest you know, um interview of your life. 895 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think sometimes we put too much emphasis 896 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: on these events because this isn't what they're asked to 897 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: do in the pros. No, you're not asked to do this, 898 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: and let's say it, and you also have to do 899 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 1: this and essentially your underwear. Yeah, exactly why the world 900 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: is watching and and and their margin of era is 901 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: so small because like you said, tenth of a second 902 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: off on my forty oh man, he blew, it just 903 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: cost you a couple of milli But exactly so, I 904 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: think that that that's where it's that pressure cooker. It's 905 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: not reality. But that's why we get on like these 906 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: drills aren't that meaningful to us, right, and most of 907 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: the evaluators, it's just a confirmation to now would I 908 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 1: already have conceived about you? But at the same time, 909 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: this is your first introdution to the world. Now because 910 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: this is televised, they did change these workouts to the 911 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: night time. So now the media public as instant consumption 912 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: and they can give their knee jerk reactions on all 913 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: all these different social platforms that can either build you 914 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: up or tank you immediate as can't everybody sitting back 915 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: home watching, Yes, because of social media. Now, yeah, everybody 916 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: has access. My mom never saw me run a forty 917 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,920 Speaker 1: or watch me bench press and everybody and everybody's an expert. 918 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 1: Why don't you tuck your elbows in a little more. 919 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: Get out of your mom Our Combined coverage is presented 920 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: by First National Bank. Let's Get started Member f d 921 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: i C. I'm Dale Lally here with Max Starks and 922 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson live at the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis, 923 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: and uh well, we're getting into our our final hour 924 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: of coverage here at the top of the hour, here 925 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: we're expecting to get Cam Heyward here in the final hours, 926 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: so don't you go anywhere you don't want to miss that. 927 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: But we'll be back with more right at after this