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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: Hey Baron Welcome Back. It's the latest episode of the

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Speaker 1: Book of Joe with me, Tom Barducci and former Lafayette

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Speaker 1: quarterback Joe Madden. Joe, I bring that up because we're

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Speaker 1: going to do a football edition of the Book of Joe,

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Speaker 1: well at least as it relates to baseball. And I

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Speaker 1: know you, former quarterback at Lafayette, will enjoy this.

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Speaker 2: I would, I will, I would. You know.

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Speaker 3: I started out actually in midget football when I was ten,

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Speaker 3: playing quarterback. It's incredible and crazy how that just carries

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Speaker 3: over into the rest of everything that you do calling

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Speaker 3: audibles when you're ten. It was kind of I can't

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Speaker 3: say it was my first love, but it was the

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Speaker 3: sport that I probably played better. I just was called

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Speaker 3: to the greener pastors of a baseball field. I loved

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Speaker 3: everything about it. Football hurt more than baseball did, kind of,

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Speaker 3: so there's part of those things that I do still

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Speaker 2: Watched the games this past weekend.

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Speaker 3: I was so disappointed and the way the Eagles went

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Speaker 3: about their business, and I'm not even an Eagles fan,

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Speaker 3: it was just wow, how did that happen?

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Speaker 2: So yes, very cool. I'm into it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought that up, watching the games

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Speaker 1: on television, because Americans love to do just that. Joe,

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Speaker 1: here's a question for you. Of the top one hundred

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Speaker 1: rated television shows in the year twenty twenty three, how

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Speaker 1: many of those do you think were NFL games?

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Speaker 2: Out of a top ten many.

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Speaker 1: Top one hundred weighted television shows.

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Speaker 2: Football games. Gosh, a lot.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you gotta be a little bit more specific than

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying we don't really watch TV that much anymore,

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Speaker 3: and you know, baseball games, I'll say I'll say fifty.

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Speaker 1: Correct answer is ninety three.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: Ninety three of the top one hundred hundred programs on

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Speaker 1: another three of them were college football games. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you went back just two years ago, it was seventy

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Speaker 1: five at the top one hundred last year, well, two

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Speaker 1: years ago now twenty twenty two, it was eighty two.

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Speaker 1: Ninety three of the top one hundred programs were NFL games. Now, listen, Joe,

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Speaker 1: we love baseball, There's no question about it, and there

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Speaker 1: is some connection to baseball that I think emotionally no

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Speaker 1: the volume of games and how much time we devote

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Speaker 1: But you know, baseball was known as the national pastime.

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Speaker 1: But now I think that football in a very different way,

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Speaker 1: become a cultural force. It's what binds people. It's what

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Speaker 1: You know, even if you're not a die hard football fan,

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Speaker 1: you're engaged in the fabric of conversation, then hey, you

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Speaker 1: see the game or what's the local team doing. And

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Speaker 1: especially now that betting is something that is not taboo,

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Speaker 1: that has helped the popularity of the NFL and football

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Speaker 1: what baseball used to be as far as a cultural force.

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Speaker 1: But again, I don't think the emotional connection is quite

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the ubiquitous nature of baseball though too, right, the

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Speaker 3: The fact that it's a once a week kind of

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Speaker 3: I'm just making the case that I think that once

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Speaker 3: the attractiveness, the fact that you could watch every baseball

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Speaker 2: It's so easy to do. And on a nightly basis.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how about the accumulative numbers of games watched

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Speaker 3: it's in the top one hundred so many times. But

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Speaker 3: baseball collectively, as a group, I think is watched probably

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Speaker 3: and I'm really disappointing to me that we're not spoken

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Speaker 3: to really just try to promote that thought and see

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Speaker 3: if people could start repeating it more often, because it

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Speaker 3: does bother me that we've slipped so far when it

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Speaker 2: But I'm here to tell.

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Speaker 3: You, man, it's easy for me to sit down and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that. And you know, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with being the national pastime, because I think

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Speaker 1: the NFL you touched on this, Joe, is more of

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Speaker 1: it comes so rarely, generally once a week for your

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Speaker 1: that it's always there for you, and you know, growing

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Speaker 1: and yes, it's exciting as well. Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's not like having a hammock in your backyard. Well

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Speaker 1: Baseball is something that the tactile nature of it, of

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Speaker 3: I'm just as you're making all those points, I'm just

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Speaker 3: not we're not talking nineteen sixties and seventies, but my

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Speaker 2: And you're playing for.

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Speaker 2: At that point, there was no such thing as a travel.

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Speaker 3: just I just amazed by all that. I guess what

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Of course, again, television wise, we saw them once a week.

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Speaker 2: These dudes they were. I mean to stand outside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's just the way the world is. And

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, the Metrodome in Minnesota. You can't get any

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Speaker 3: And then the thing, as we're extrapolating a bit, in baseball,

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Speaker 3: There's all that to be considered too. But baseball, we

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Speaker 1: coming into play in postseason baseball.

434
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Speaker 3: Well, combination of that, plus you have to have a

435
00:21:40,318 --> 00:21:43,398
Speaker 3: good team to intimidate somebody with. I know for years

436
00:21:43,438 --> 00:21:45,798
Speaker 3: it was really the when I was with the Angels

437
00:21:46,078 --> 00:21:49,678
Speaker 3: first time around, we actually had the only winning record

438
00:21:49,678 --> 00:21:51,278
Speaker 3: I think against the Yankees during that.

439
00:21:51,758 --> 00:21:54,558
Speaker 1: You did during the Tory years, Yes.

440
00:21:54,278 --> 00:21:56,958
Speaker 3: Right, exactly, were the only winning record. So we walked

441
00:21:56,958 --> 00:21:59,598
Speaker 3: in here, no big deal. I know, Chuckdillley loved to

442
00:21:59,638 --> 00:22:03,318
Speaker 3: pitch in that ballpark, and we never felt intimidated. We've

443
00:22:03,318 --> 00:22:06,878
Speaker 3: actually felt inspired. However, going to Fenway was different. We

444
00:22:06,918 --> 00:22:09,798
Speaker 3: played poorly that Fenway Park again for the quirkiness, and

445
00:22:09,838 --> 00:22:11,838
Speaker 3: the fans made it right on top of you. Was

446
00:22:11,878 --> 00:22:14,598
Speaker 3: just a different thing. That's part of it too, is

447
00:22:14,638 --> 00:22:17,198
Speaker 3: there's certain places you walk into you feel good, you

448
00:22:17,238 --> 00:22:20,318
Speaker 3: feel comfortable, I'm okay with this, and others that you

449
00:22:20,638 --> 00:22:23,918
Speaker 3: just don't. You would think that Rigley should have been

450
00:22:23,958 --> 00:22:26,158
Speaker 3: that for so many years with the Cubbies, because I

451
00:22:26,198 --> 00:22:28,238
Speaker 3: mean that's.

452
00:22:27,398 --> 00:22:28,998
Speaker 2: Like a micro climate in there.

453
00:22:28,998 --> 00:22:31,598
Speaker 3: There's so many different things that happened during the course

454
00:22:31,598 --> 00:22:33,758
Speaker 3: of the year their wind blowing in. Primarily people don't

455
00:22:33,758 --> 00:22:36,318
Speaker 3: even realize that. You see the short number of three

456
00:22:36,358 --> 00:22:38,718
Speaker 3: sixty five in the gap, But I'll tell you what,

457
00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:41,078
Speaker 3: that's the longest three sixty five you've ever seen. When

458
00:22:41,118 --> 00:22:44,918
Speaker 3: the wind's blowing in, wind blowing out, of course becomes mitigated.

459
00:22:44,958 --> 00:22:46,998
Speaker 2: But that's that's rare.

460
00:22:47,198 --> 00:22:49,318
Speaker 3: Actually, the wind for me blew in way more often

461
00:22:49,318 --> 00:22:51,798
Speaker 3: than it blew out, but it never really worked to

462
00:22:51,838 --> 00:22:53,638
Speaker 3: the advantage of the Cubs. The other part was the

463
00:22:53,678 --> 00:22:57,278
Speaker 3: day games. I've always when I first got there, I thought,

464
00:22:57,318 --> 00:22:58,638
Speaker 3: my god, this is we got to do.

465
00:22:58,598 --> 00:23:00,758
Speaker 2: Something about it. And we did.

466
00:23:00,558 --> 00:23:03,438
Speaker 3: We stopped taking a lot of pregame on before day

467
00:23:03,438 --> 00:23:06,638
Speaker 3: games order to try to bring or swing this advantage

468
00:23:06,678 --> 00:23:10,278
Speaker 3: back to us. So all these different ballparks have you

469
00:23:10,278 --> 00:23:13,158
Speaker 3: a uniqueness about them. Some are more intimidating than others.

470
00:23:13,158 --> 00:23:15,158
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, Man, the old

471
00:23:15,158 --> 00:23:17,718
Speaker 3: Cleveland Indians, brother, that was a tough spot to win.

472
00:23:17,798 --> 00:23:20,238
Speaker 3: In the late nineties mid late nineties.

473
00:23:20,878 --> 00:23:22,998
Speaker 2: Wow, they would come back all the time.

474
00:23:23,038 --> 00:23:25,038
Speaker 3: They had a bunch of horses, they sold out every

475
00:23:25,118 --> 00:23:29,598
Speaker 3: night out to another one was Toronto when Caito was there,

476
00:23:29,678 --> 00:23:31,558
Speaker 3: when they won two years in a row. Yeah, that

477
00:23:31,718 --> 00:23:34,878
Speaker 3: place was sold out every night and it's as loud

478
00:23:34,878 --> 00:23:36,358
Speaker 3: as you can possibly.

479
00:23:35,878 --> 00:23:38,038
Speaker 1: Get fifty people every night.

480
00:23:38,278 --> 00:23:41,718
Speaker 3: So when you walk in there, you see their their

481
00:23:42,038 --> 00:23:44,638
Speaker 3: lineup was and that the other thing with their lineup

482
00:23:44,638 --> 00:23:46,478
Speaker 3: was the same every night. Sedar wrote the same nine

483
00:23:46,518 --> 00:23:49,318
Speaker 3: names in every night in the same order. That was

484
00:23:49,398 --> 00:23:52,838
Speaker 3: somewhat intimidating, especially when you came from the West Coast

485
00:23:52,878 --> 00:23:55,718
Speaker 3: back there to play one series in that ballpark. So

486
00:23:55,838 --> 00:23:59,238
Speaker 3: there's all these little nuance that, you know, it's hard

487
00:23:59,238 --> 00:24:01,958
Speaker 3: to evaluate or consider. But for me, I used to

488
00:24:01,958 --> 00:24:04,478
Speaker 3: think about these things walking in the door, and I

489
00:24:04,558 --> 00:24:06,598
Speaker 3: knew some places are going to be more difficult than others.

490
00:24:06,918 --> 00:24:10,158
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure there's as many of those places anymore, Joe,

491
00:24:10,198 --> 00:24:12,318
Speaker 1: And I think maybe part of it is the fact

492
00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:16,038
Speaker 1: that all these ballparks now are in great condition. You

493
00:24:16,118 --> 00:24:18,838
Speaker 1: mentioned Wrigley, you know, I remember Matt Joyce telling me

494
00:24:19,198 --> 00:24:21,558
Speaker 1: when they were starting the renovation of Wrigley Field, the

495
00:24:21,598 --> 00:24:26,038
Speaker 1: Cubs had this beautiful cage area behind the dugout. There

496
00:24:26,078 --> 00:24:28,158
Speaker 1: was nothing on the visiting side, so if you were

497
00:24:28,198 --> 00:24:29,918
Speaker 1: getting ready to pinch hit late in the game, you

498
00:24:29,998 --> 00:24:32,998
Speaker 1: literally had no area to get yourself ready to hit,

499
00:24:33,078 --> 00:24:36,838
Speaker 1: and the Cubs did home field advantage the way if

500
00:24:36,838 --> 00:24:38,918
Speaker 1: you went to Tiger Stadium in the nineteen eighties and

501
00:24:39,358 --> 00:24:42,558
Speaker 1: Sparky Anderson had all those sinker balls and split pitchers

502
00:24:42,598 --> 00:24:44,998
Speaker 1: on the mound throwing ground balls. You could lose a

503
00:24:44,998 --> 00:24:47,318
Speaker 1: small child in the grass at Tiger Stadium. It was

504
00:24:47,358 --> 00:24:50,638
Speaker 1: so high it was ridiculous. The way the foul lines

505
00:24:50,638 --> 00:24:52,598
Speaker 1: were curved. If you had a team that could bunt,

506
00:24:52,838 --> 00:24:55,358
Speaker 1: you know, you made sure that you built your ballpark

507
00:24:55,398 --> 00:24:59,038
Speaker 1: the way it would accommodate your offense. Those things don't

508
00:24:59,038 --> 00:25:01,598
Speaker 1: happen anymore. It's very generic. When it comes to the

509
00:25:01,598 --> 00:25:04,958
Speaker 1: condition of the playing fields. These fields are absolutely perfect.

510
00:25:05,918 --> 00:25:09,198
Speaker 1: You went into Shay Stadium and Fenway Park, the infields

511
00:25:09,198 --> 00:25:12,318
Speaker 1: were terrible. I mean terrible. You could there were bad

512
00:25:12,358 --> 00:25:15,558
Speaker 1: hops everywhere. You can watch baseball for a month and

513
00:25:15,598 --> 00:25:18,318
Speaker 1: not see a bad hop on these fields. So there's

514
00:25:18,358 --> 00:25:21,998
Speaker 1: sort of been an homogenation of the playing fields themselves.

515
00:25:22,078 --> 00:25:24,958
Speaker 1: And I get it. The dimensions are different, but there's

516
00:25:25,038 --> 00:25:27,518
Speaker 1: such a sameness to it that I think the uniqueness

517
00:25:27,598 --> 00:25:30,078
Speaker 1: that you were talking about and some of the true

518
00:25:30,118 --> 00:25:34,038
Speaker 1: home field advantage they have been dulled over the course

519
00:25:34,078 --> 00:25:36,958
Speaker 1: of building these great ballparks and the conditions of the fields,

520
00:25:37,878 --> 00:25:39,758
Speaker 1: and just to prove that once again, I'll give you

521
00:25:39,798 --> 00:25:43,198
Speaker 1: some postseason numbers here. Because of the total wildcard era

522
00:25:43,278 --> 00:25:46,118
Speaker 1: since we've gone to these expanded playoffs, home field advantage

523
00:25:46,478 --> 00:25:49,078
Speaker 1: is about fifty four percent of the time five forty

524
00:25:49,118 --> 00:25:52,438
Speaker 1: one winning percentage since nineteen ninety five. In the postseason

525
00:25:52,918 --> 00:25:56,518
Speaker 1: in the last four seasons it's down to five to ten.

526
00:25:57,278 --> 00:25:59,998
Speaker 1: The four seasons before that it was five sixty three

527
00:26:00,598 --> 00:26:02,878
Speaker 1: five ten. I mean, that's a flip of the coin

528
00:26:02,918 --> 00:26:06,678
Speaker 1: in the postseason. So there's probably a lot of factors

529
00:26:06,718 --> 00:26:09,758
Speaker 1: going on here. You can also talk I think about

530
00:26:09,758 --> 00:26:13,998
Speaker 1: how there is less separation between the really good teams

531
00:26:14,238 --> 00:26:16,718
Speaker 1: and the good teams. I think there is a little

532
00:26:16,718 --> 00:26:18,638
Speaker 1: more parody in the game today. I think we see

533
00:26:18,638 --> 00:26:21,118
Speaker 1: that every year in the postseason. Literally anybody who gets

534
00:26:21,118 --> 00:26:23,438
Speaker 1: in can win the World Series. It's not just like

535
00:26:23,478 --> 00:26:25,678
Speaker 1: one or two teams ken as you feel in the NFL.

536
00:26:25,838 --> 00:26:27,718
Speaker 1: So I think all these things are coming into play.

537
00:26:27,758 --> 00:26:29,838
Speaker 1: But I think as we look at baseball and we

538
00:26:29,958 --> 00:26:32,558
Speaker 1: talk so much about home field advantage, Oh, you're going

539
00:26:32,598 --> 00:26:34,678
Speaker 1: to get the deciding game at home, and these this

540
00:26:34,838 --> 00:26:37,278
Speaker 1: team is tough to beat at home. Be careful with that.

541
00:26:37,398 --> 00:26:39,238
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean nearly as much as it used to.

542
00:26:39,678 --> 00:26:42,398
Speaker 2: You take Roger Bossard with the White Sox.

543
00:26:42,438 --> 00:26:45,478
Speaker 3: He puts piles of dirt out in the infield while

544
00:26:45,478 --> 00:26:50,038
Speaker 3: these guys are taking batting practice in infield ground balls,

545
00:26:50,078 --> 00:26:53,158
Speaker 3: and he would structure the area, stretched up their base

546
00:26:53,198 --> 00:26:57,198
Speaker 3: second whatever, according to how that infielder wanted the ground,

547
00:26:57,198 --> 00:26:58,918
Speaker 3: the turf great, a little bit more firm, a little

548
00:26:58,998 --> 00:26:59,718
Speaker 3: less firm, etcetera.

549
00:26:59,758 --> 00:27:02,278
Speaker 1: As an example, Hey, I'm going to stop you. It

550
00:27:02,318 --> 00:27:04,998
Speaker 1: reminds me you did with that story. Go one step further.

551
00:27:05,118 --> 00:27:07,158
Speaker 1: I know a team, this is probably back in the

552
00:27:07,238 --> 00:27:10,958
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties that used two sets of baseballs, one when

553
00:27:10,998 --> 00:27:13,238
Speaker 1: they were batting and one when the other team was

554
00:27:13,278 --> 00:27:15,518
Speaker 1: batting and when the other team was bad. And guess

555
00:27:15,518 --> 00:27:19,558
Speaker 1: where those baseballs came from the refrigerator. Sure true story.

556
00:27:19,838 --> 00:27:24,118
Speaker 1: And obviously now the care and condition of the baseball

557
00:27:24,158 --> 00:27:28,198
Speaker 1: is the way that Major League Baseball supervises, basically the

558
00:27:28,278 --> 00:27:30,998
Speaker 1: chain of command of how baseballs go from the shop

559
00:27:31,038 --> 00:27:35,598
Speaker 1: to the ballpark. That also has been homogenized. It's obviously

560
00:27:35,638 --> 00:27:39,198
Speaker 1: for the better, but again change over years. All these

561
00:27:39,198 --> 00:27:39,918
Speaker 1: things add up.

562
00:27:40,358 --> 00:27:43,838
Speaker 3: We were always concerned in the Metrodome that when they

563
00:27:43,838 --> 00:27:45,798
Speaker 3: were hitting, the air conditioning would come on. You would

564
00:27:45,798 --> 00:27:48,798
Speaker 3: see the little like those little pieces of fabric on

565
00:27:48,878 --> 00:27:51,958
Speaker 3: the vents behind home plate, like blowing out towards center field,

566
00:27:51,958 --> 00:27:53,558
Speaker 3: and then when we come up to hit, all of

567
00:27:53,558 --> 00:27:56,958
Speaker 3: a sudden, they would go limp. There was always this concern.

568
00:27:57,718 --> 00:28:00,398
Speaker 3: Teams don't fun as much obviously anymore. But you know,

569
00:28:00,478 --> 00:28:02,518
Speaker 3: one of the first things I've always done in each ballpark,

570
00:28:02,518 --> 00:28:04,038
Speaker 3: I'd get out and i would roll a ball on

571
00:28:04,078 --> 00:28:06,478
Speaker 3: the third base in the first base line to see

572
00:28:06,478 --> 00:28:08,438
Speaker 3: if the ball would come back fair. This goes back

573
00:28:08,478 --> 00:28:10,758
Speaker 3: to the minor league days. Used to go into a

574
00:28:10,798 --> 00:28:12,878
Speaker 3: corner and hits. Your fun goes in the corner to

575
00:28:12,918 --> 00:28:15,838
Speaker 3: see the caraen and rebound of the off the wall

576
00:28:15,878 --> 00:28:18,318
Speaker 3: as it wraps around the corner. You know, one of

577
00:28:18,318 --> 00:28:20,798
Speaker 3: the worst is actually Kansas City. People don't even realize

578
00:28:20,798 --> 00:28:23,478
Speaker 3: that where the ball wraps around all the little nuance

579
00:28:23,558 --> 00:28:25,438
Speaker 3: that's built in each ballpark that you have to learn

580
00:28:25,518 --> 00:28:29,758
Speaker 3: and understand. And that's that's really an interesting and a

581
00:28:29,798 --> 00:28:32,518
Speaker 3: separating part of the game for me for us, where

582
00:28:32,558 --> 00:28:35,038
Speaker 3: in football, like it's even more homogenized. I mean, that's

583
00:28:35,078 --> 00:28:38,198
Speaker 3: just it. It's what fifty two yards wide or something

584
00:28:38,238 --> 00:28:40,878
Speaker 3: like that on yards long, and it's always the same.

585
00:28:40,958 --> 00:28:43,278
Speaker 3: And there's no crowd in the fields anywhere. They're all flat,

586
00:28:43,638 --> 00:28:47,838
Speaker 3: So those fields are wonderfully the same. But baseball's all

587
00:28:48,038 --> 00:28:51,318
Speaker 3: Each ballpark had its new Once you're talking about the grass,

588
00:28:51,318 --> 00:28:53,758
Speaker 3: how about just the dirt in front of home plate,

589
00:28:53,878 --> 00:28:56,758
Speaker 3: secret ball pitcher. You see that groundskeeper out there before

590
00:28:56,798 --> 00:28:59,078
Speaker 3: the game, just soaking the crap out of the ground

591
00:28:59,118 --> 00:29:01,598
Speaker 3: right in front of home plate. So if your guys

592
00:29:01,678 --> 00:29:04,318
Speaker 3: hit a ground ball pulm, it would just die, absolutely

593
00:29:04,358 --> 00:29:06,678
Speaker 3: die before got into the high grass. So a lot

594
00:29:06,678 --> 00:29:08,118
Speaker 3: of things were controlled at that time.

595
00:29:08,158 --> 00:29:08,758
Speaker 2: It's true.

596
00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:11,398
Speaker 3: It's all true, and you knew it and nobody ever

597
00:29:11,438 --> 00:29:14,558
Speaker 3: complained about it because y'all had the opportunity to set

598
00:29:14,638 --> 00:29:17,278
Speaker 3: up your field the way you thought it it suited

599
00:29:17,478 --> 00:29:21,158
Speaker 3: your team. Interesting part of the game, really cool part

600
00:29:21,198 --> 00:29:23,318
Speaker 3: of the game. And again it's it's a part of

601
00:29:23,318 --> 00:29:27,598
Speaker 3: the personality and the interest that the game generated for

602
00:29:27,638 --> 00:29:30,358
Speaker 3: so many years. Things to talk about and it doesn't

603
00:29:30,398 --> 00:29:35,198
Speaker 3: really matter, and it creates the conversation. I love that stuff,

604
00:29:35,278 --> 00:29:38,678
Speaker 3: and it just doesn't hardly exist anymore because there's not.

605
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:43,718
Speaker 3: There's no nobody tailoring fields too different attributes by players.

606
00:29:43,718 --> 00:29:46,838
Speaker 3: But watch out now, if the game continues to become

607
00:29:46,878 --> 00:29:49,958
Speaker 3: more of a speed game game in motion, Bundy comes

608
00:29:49,958 --> 00:29:52,358
Speaker 3: back a little bit, you're gonna start seeing things like

609
00:29:52,398 --> 00:29:54,118
Speaker 3: that happen again, and it would make it a little

610
00:29:54,158 --> 00:29:54,918
Speaker 3: bit more interesting.

611
00:29:55,558 --> 00:29:58,078
Speaker 1: Here's a question for you, and put your manager's hat

612
00:29:58,118 --> 00:30:01,278
Speaker 1: on here, because I think one of the more overrated

613
00:30:01,318 --> 00:30:05,558
Speaker 1: stats that people look to is home road splits. Like

614
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:08,638
Speaker 1: I've seen managers start a guy in a playoff game

615
00:30:08,678 --> 00:30:12,758
Speaker 1: because he had a good record at home. I don't

616
00:30:12,798 --> 00:30:15,158
Speaker 1: believe in that. If you look at playing records over

617
00:30:15,238 --> 00:30:18,238
Speaker 1: the course of the guy's careers, over time, there's not

618
00:30:18,278 --> 00:30:21,078
Speaker 1: a consistency to it. Yes, I mean, if you're Jim

619
00:30:21,198 --> 00:30:23,038
Speaker 1: Rice or Wade Boggs, you're going to put up better

620
00:30:23,118 --> 00:30:25,598
Speaker 1: numbers at Fenway Park over the course of your I

621
00:30:25,678 --> 00:30:27,758
Speaker 1: get that. I mean that's just going back to the

622
00:30:27,758 --> 00:30:30,278
Speaker 1: dimensions of the field. There's no foul territory. You know,

623
00:30:30,398 --> 00:30:32,358
Speaker 1: leftfield wall is so close. Hit a fly ball, you

624
00:30:32,358 --> 00:30:34,438
Speaker 1: get a single. I get all that. What I'm saying is,

625
00:30:34,438 --> 00:30:36,638
Speaker 1: if you've got a pitcher who's got good home numbers,

626
00:30:37,118 --> 00:30:39,598
Speaker 1: and I think you had this in sixteen with Kyle Hendricks.

627
00:30:41,118 --> 00:30:43,598
Speaker 1: You know, these things happen, you can get on a roll.

628
00:30:43,878 --> 00:30:45,758
Speaker 1: But the fact that someone is going to be a

629
00:30:45,798 --> 00:30:48,598
Speaker 1: better pitcher at home than on the road over the

630
00:30:48,638 --> 00:30:51,358
Speaker 1: course of his career, or a consistent basis or something

631
00:30:51,438 --> 00:30:54,278
Speaker 1: you can bank on. I'm not buying it, Joe, I'm

632
00:30:54,318 --> 00:30:57,998
Speaker 1: really not. I think it's entirely overrated. Is there something there, Yeah,

633
00:30:58,078 --> 00:30:59,198
Speaker 1: but I'm not banking on it.

634
00:31:00,078 --> 00:31:03,318
Speaker 3: I think young pictures it can be something that you

635
00:31:03,358 --> 00:31:04,958
Speaker 3: have to just pay attend you to a little bit

636
00:31:04,998 --> 00:31:07,838
Speaker 3: with I remember, if I remember properly, like James Shields

637
00:31:07,838 --> 00:31:10,278
Speaker 3: when he first started out, was definitely better at the

638
00:31:10,318 --> 00:31:13,198
Speaker 3: trump than he was on the road. I think sometimes

639
00:31:13,198 --> 00:31:15,958
Speaker 3: for me, this is my opinion that backgrounds Matt. I

640
00:31:16,078 --> 00:31:18,678
Speaker 3: just talked about it with Oakland. What a pitcher sees?

641
00:31:18,718 --> 00:31:21,478
Speaker 3: What do you see? Sometimes honestly, the catcher looks like

642
00:31:21,518 --> 00:31:23,678
Speaker 3: he's right on top of you, and sometimes it looks

643
00:31:23,678 --> 00:31:25,718
Speaker 3: like he's one hundred feet away, as the post to

644
00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:29,958
Speaker 3: sixty feet six inches, So sometimes it's perception and that'll

645
00:31:29,998 --> 00:31:33,518
Speaker 3: result in trying to throw the ball harder because it

646
00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:35,518
Speaker 3: looks like he's farther away, or it could just be

647
00:31:35,638 --> 00:31:37,198
Speaker 3: nice and easy because the guy looks like he's right

648
00:31:37,238 --> 00:31:39,598
Speaker 3: in front of me. All these things I mean, and

649
00:31:39,598 --> 00:31:43,558
Speaker 3: also like in dome, sometimes when a pitcher throws a

650
00:31:43,598 --> 00:31:45,518
Speaker 3: ball well and the catcher catches it right the pop

651
00:31:45,518 --> 00:31:48,518
Speaker 3: in the mid, it's going to be very confident building,

652
00:31:48,558 --> 00:31:51,518
Speaker 3: confidence building when they hear that loud snap of the glove.

653
00:31:51,998 --> 00:31:54,798
Speaker 3: All these little things matter when you're not here in

654
00:31:54,838 --> 00:31:56,798
Speaker 3: the snap of the glove or the ball, the catcher

655
00:31:56,798 --> 00:31:58,958
Speaker 3: looks like he's farther away, then here comes more effort

656
00:31:58,998 --> 00:32:00,078
Speaker 3: that's not necessary.

657
00:32:00,438 --> 00:32:01,358
Speaker 2: So there is that.

658
00:32:01,718 --> 00:32:04,518
Speaker 3: My point is, then as a pitcher plays a bit,

659
00:32:05,438 --> 00:32:07,518
Speaker 3: I think that kind of goes away. So I would

660
00:32:07,518 --> 00:32:09,718
Speaker 3: always I would always. I'm aware of that a little

661
00:32:09,758 --> 00:32:12,878
Speaker 3: bit with young pitchers home and road splits.

662
00:32:12,918 --> 00:32:13,518
Speaker 2: I just look at it.

663
00:32:13,558 --> 00:32:16,678
Speaker 3: Not that I don't think I would change that if

664
00:32:16,718 --> 00:32:18,438
Speaker 3: somebody was building into.

665
00:32:18,278 --> 00:32:19,758
Speaker 2: It, or if he if he's my guy, I'm not

666
00:32:19,798 --> 00:32:21,438
Speaker 2: gonna worry about it so much.

667
00:32:21,478 --> 00:32:24,998
Speaker 3: But there's it's a youthful thing, I think more than anything,

668
00:32:25,038 --> 00:32:27,318
Speaker 3: and as you gain experience, I think all that stuff

669
00:32:27,638 --> 00:32:30,998
Speaker 3: kind of morphs together. And if there was an apparent

670
00:32:31,158 --> 00:32:33,358
Speaker 3: disadvantage early on, it goes.

671
00:32:33,198 --> 00:32:36,198
Speaker 1: Away Well said, Hey, we're gonna take a quick break

672
00:32:36,198 --> 00:32:40,478
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about some coaching legends that

673
00:32:41,038 --> 00:32:45,198
Speaker 1: either retired or left jobs where they have been institutions

674
00:32:45,278 --> 00:32:48,718
Speaker 1: for talking football as it relates to baseball. You are

675
00:32:48,758 --> 00:33:04,358
Speaker 1: listening to the Book of Joe podcast. Joe, I'm sure

676
00:33:04,638 --> 00:33:08,638
Speaker 1: you noticed all the changes. I mean, starting with Nick

677
00:33:08,678 --> 00:33:12,078
Speaker 1: Saban retires at Alabama seventy two years old. Bill Belichick

678
00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:15,038
Speaker 1: out with the New England Patriots seventy one years old

679
00:33:15,078 --> 00:33:17,878
Speaker 1: and he's already in the course of interviewing with other teams.

680
00:33:18,558 --> 00:33:21,358
Speaker 1: And Pete Carroll at the age of seventy two leaving

681
00:33:21,398 --> 00:33:24,638
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks, the all time winning coach for the

682
00:33:24,638 --> 00:33:27,918
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. And I'm not sure he left on his

683
00:33:28,198 --> 00:33:30,918
Speaker 1: completely on his own volition. It doesn't sound like he did.

684
00:33:32,358 --> 00:33:34,798
Speaker 1: You know, these things happened. We had Dusty Baker retire

685
00:33:34,838 --> 00:33:38,318
Speaker 1: after last year. I mean, what are your thoughts, Joe.

686
00:33:38,318 --> 00:33:40,118
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are a little bit older than you,

687
00:33:40,198 --> 00:33:43,078
Speaker 1: but you followed their careers. I mean all of them

688
00:33:43,438 --> 00:33:47,558
Speaker 1: remained relatable into their seventies. I don't think that's the

689
00:33:47,598 --> 00:33:50,838
Speaker 1: reason why they're not coaching anymore the game passed them

690
00:33:50,838 --> 00:33:53,718
Speaker 1: by No, of course, not your thoughts. When you saw

691
00:33:53,758 --> 00:33:57,118
Speaker 1: some of these legends leave coaching positions in football, I.

692
00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:59,638
Speaker 3: Was just curious to like if there was any really

693
00:33:59,638 --> 00:34:02,598
Speaker 3: specific reason, either from them or from the people that

694
00:34:02,638 --> 00:34:05,518
Speaker 3: were letting them go. And again, when you talk about

695
00:34:05,598 --> 00:34:08,718
Speaker 3: Pete and Seattle, it just appeared to be there's a

696
00:34:08,758 --> 00:34:10,678
Speaker 3: little bit of a disconnect with what was going on

697
00:34:10,758 --> 00:34:13,438
Speaker 3: above him and down to his office, and that was

698
00:34:13,478 --> 00:34:16,078
Speaker 3: relatable regarding what's happening in baseball a bit. I think

699
00:34:16,158 --> 00:34:19,958
Speaker 3: Nick Saban also related something to the effect that I

700
00:34:19,998 --> 00:34:23,518
Speaker 3: think he just didn't like the way college football, the

701
00:34:23,598 --> 00:34:25,678
Speaker 3: direction that was headed in how that was trending. I

702
00:34:25,718 --> 00:34:27,358
Speaker 3: don't know specifically what he meant by that.

703
00:34:28,198 --> 00:34:28,758
Speaker 2: Belichick.

704
00:34:28,838 --> 00:34:32,278
Speaker 3: I just think that was an eventuality that it probably

705
00:34:32,358 --> 00:34:33,918
Speaker 3: better for him and the Patriots.

706
00:34:33,918 --> 00:34:35,718
Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing more he could.

707
00:34:35,518 --> 00:34:38,598
Speaker 3: Have accomplished there in New England with what he had

708
00:34:38,638 --> 00:34:42,358
Speaker 3: done there. So I think it's again, it's very similar

709
00:34:42,358 --> 00:34:44,278
Speaker 3: to what happens in our sport. I think I kind

710
00:34:44,278 --> 00:34:48,078
Speaker 3: of was again relatable for me regarding what I had

711
00:34:48,078 --> 00:34:49,558
Speaker 3: done and how long I had done it, and then

712
00:34:49,598 --> 00:34:54,438
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you have to kind of relinquish power,

713
00:34:54,478 --> 00:34:57,598
Speaker 3: for a lack of better word. I know that was

714
00:34:57,638 --> 00:35:00,758
Speaker 3: something I think I read with Pete, But I also

715
00:35:00,838 --> 00:35:03,878
Speaker 3: know that Saban running a college team, he is everything.

716
00:35:03,918 --> 00:35:06,518
Speaker 3: He is the CEO, he's the president, he's the dean,

717
00:35:06,558 --> 00:35:10,198
Speaker 3: he's everything there. So it's hard to imagine him having

718
00:35:10,278 --> 00:35:11,478
Speaker 3: that kind of a come play. But I think a

719
00:35:11,518 --> 00:35:16,198
Speaker 3: professional coach that's being let go might be running into

720
00:35:16,198 --> 00:35:19,158
Speaker 3: that because I think the trend, the idea that it's

721
00:35:19,198 --> 00:35:21,758
Speaker 3: almost like everybody believes almost anybody can do it. I

722
00:35:21,758 --> 00:35:25,758
Speaker 3: think they devalue the interaction with human beings, how this

723
00:35:25,958 --> 00:35:29,158
Speaker 3: coach relates to the players specifically, and then even right

724
00:35:29,198 --> 00:35:31,158
Speaker 3: down to his experience level, what he brings to the

725
00:35:31,158 --> 00:35:33,878
Speaker 3: table based on the years of having done this and

726
00:35:33,918 --> 00:35:35,958
Speaker 3: all the different situations he's been And I don't think

727
00:35:35,998 --> 00:35:39,118
Speaker 3: that's really considered valuable anymore. I think the fact that

728
00:35:39,118 --> 00:35:42,038
Speaker 3: the game has become so mathematical again, I think there's

729
00:35:42,038 --> 00:35:43,958
Speaker 3: a lot of folks that think almost anybody can do it.

730
00:35:43,998 --> 00:35:47,278
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of evolving to that point. So Yeah,

731
00:35:47,278 --> 00:35:49,358
Speaker 3: I've been watching it, I've been listening, and I still

732
00:35:49,358 --> 00:35:51,878
Speaker 3: want to read more. I want to hear more once

733
00:35:51,958 --> 00:35:54,118
Speaker 3: the real reasons are put out there, and you're talking

734
00:35:54,158 --> 00:35:56,438
Speaker 3: about guys like Siriani, now that is.

735
00:35:56,398 --> 00:35:57,078
Speaker 2: On a hot seat.

736
00:35:57,118 --> 00:35:59,078
Speaker 3: This guy just won a Super Bowl as an example,

737
00:35:59,158 --> 00:36:01,518
Speaker 3: the guy with the Chargers who was just let go

738
00:36:01,598 --> 00:36:05,838
Speaker 3: after apparently are really out standing start and now all

739
00:36:05,838 --> 00:36:08,078
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I'm reading things about lack of experience.

740
00:36:08,118 --> 00:36:10,798
Speaker 3: So it's all over the map. Man, it's all over

741
00:36:10,838 --> 00:36:15,998
Speaker 3: the map. It's curious to watch. It's infiltrating all of sports.

742
00:36:16,038 --> 00:36:19,598
Speaker 3: I think it's infiltrating all of industry where is ever

743
00:36:19,638 --> 00:36:23,958
Speaker 3: in charge really wants more power and control, and thus

744
00:36:24,038 --> 00:36:27,398
Speaker 3: if the person that they've hired to be running their

745
00:36:27,438 --> 00:36:31,118
Speaker 3: business or whatever doesn't succumb to that and permit that,

746
00:36:31,518 --> 00:36:32,918
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, I got to get somebody

747
00:36:32,958 --> 00:36:34,158
Speaker 3: in there that's more malleable.

748
00:36:34,158 --> 00:36:36,158
Speaker 2: And I think overall, that's what I'm saying.

749
00:36:36,438 --> 00:36:39,198
Speaker 1: You're right, Joe, and you're right to point out that

750
00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:42,278
Speaker 1: this is not unique to baseball or even sports, as

751
00:36:42,318 --> 00:36:45,478
Speaker 1: you mentioned, even in industry where people will come in

752
00:36:45,638 --> 00:36:49,718
Speaker 1: from the let's call it the outside and gain power

753
00:36:50,678 --> 00:36:54,278
Speaker 1: and decision making properties over people who are already in

754
00:36:54,278 --> 00:36:56,598
Speaker 1: the system. And that was Pete Carroll's Beef. I'm going

755
00:36:56,638 --> 00:37:01,558
Speaker 1: to read you his explanation about why he's no longer

756
00:37:01,598 --> 00:37:03,718
Speaker 1: the coach of the Seahawks because they told him they

757
00:37:03,718 --> 00:37:06,438
Speaker 1: need to make it adjustments. So he said, what is

758
00:37:06,478 --> 00:37:09,878
Speaker 1: the essence of the adjustments that are necessary. That's where

759
00:37:09,918 --> 00:37:12,038
Speaker 1: maybe we don't see eye to eye on because I

760
00:37:12,078 --> 00:37:13,678
Speaker 1: see it one way, and i think I've got a

761
00:37:13,678 --> 00:37:15,838
Speaker 1: way to fix it, and I'm not going to kind

762
00:37:15,838 --> 00:37:18,318
Speaker 1: of halfway fix it. I'm trying to fix it so

763
00:37:18,398 --> 00:37:22,438
Speaker 1: it's perfect. It's got real, precise and specific thoughts. And

764
00:37:22,518 --> 00:37:24,918
Speaker 1: they may not see it that way. They may not

765
00:37:24,998 --> 00:37:27,478
Speaker 1: agree with it. They may not see that that's the

766
00:37:27,558 --> 00:37:29,958
Speaker 1: right answer or that's not the right answer that makes

767
00:37:29,958 --> 00:37:33,718
Speaker 1: them feel good. The difficult part is if you guys

768
00:37:33,758 --> 00:37:37,118
Speaker 1: can know, it's really hard because they're not football people,

769
00:37:37,558 --> 00:37:40,958
Speaker 1: they're not coaches, and so to get to the real

770
00:37:41,078 --> 00:37:45,118
Speaker 1: details of it is really difficult for other people. And

771
00:37:45,198 --> 00:37:48,078
Speaker 1: there you go, Joe, that's the fundamental disconnect that we're

772
00:37:48,118 --> 00:37:51,078
Speaker 1: seeing across sports. The people in power and the people

773
00:37:51,078 --> 00:37:53,438
Speaker 1: who grew up in the game and are the coaches, instructors,

774
00:37:53,478 --> 00:37:56,478
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call. The managers are looking at

775
00:37:56,518 --> 00:38:00,198
Speaker 1: it two different ways, but only one side is where

776
00:38:00,198 --> 00:38:02,878
Speaker 1: the power lies, at least the final decision.

777
00:38:02,878 --> 00:38:06,158
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, discounts all the years that everybody has

778
00:38:06,198 --> 00:38:10,558
Speaker 3: been doing what they've been doing. And it really kind

779
00:38:10,558 --> 00:38:15,158
Speaker 3: of insulting actually when people think that almost anybody can

780
00:38:15,198 --> 00:38:18,878
Speaker 3: do this, and again when they plup somebody into the

781
00:38:18,878 --> 00:38:22,238
Speaker 3: managerial seat, somebody that's never managed on any level whatsoever,

782
00:38:22,918 --> 00:38:28,558
Speaker 3: and believe there should be successful based on I don't know, personality, trade, equality,

783
00:38:28,678 --> 00:38:32,438
Speaker 3: ability to communicate a little bit. That really it minimizes

784
00:38:32,678 --> 00:38:34,918
Speaker 3: and it's kind of insulting. Like I said, to all

785
00:38:34,918 --> 00:38:37,558
Speaker 3: the years that you've done something to yet to achieve

786
00:38:37,558 --> 00:38:40,798
Speaker 3: what to get to that point coming up as a

787
00:38:40,838 --> 00:38:44,118
Speaker 3: young coach, manager, man, there was some steps you had

788
00:38:44,158 --> 00:38:46,398
Speaker 3: to get through and you had to do it for

789
00:38:46,398 --> 00:38:46,758
Speaker 3: a while.

790
00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:48,038
Speaker 2: You had to be successful for a while.

791
00:38:48,038 --> 00:38:50,398
Speaker 3: Successful not in the sense in the minor leagues with

792
00:38:50,398 --> 00:38:52,678
Speaker 3: the one loss record, but successful in the sense that

793
00:38:53,358 --> 00:38:57,918
Speaker 3: you were very good at communicating organizational philosophy, that your

794
00:38:57,958 --> 00:39:00,598
Speaker 3: players got better during the course of a season, that

795
00:39:00,678 --> 00:39:04,558
Speaker 3: your communication skills were on target, that you were adaptable,

796
00:39:04,838 --> 00:39:06,918
Speaker 3: and also that you have you are creative in your

797
00:39:06,958 --> 00:39:09,398
Speaker 3: own right. All these things have to be nurtured over

798
00:39:09,398 --> 00:39:11,878
Speaker 3: a period of time. But to think that, you know,

799
00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:14,118
Speaker 3: for me, and I have thought about this a little

800
00:39:14,118 --> 00:39:16,358
Speaker 3: bit lately, the fact that when I look back out

801
00:39:16,398 --> 00:39:18,718
Speaker 3: the work, I've had a lot of stuff written down

802
00:39:18,718 --> 00:39:21,678
Speaker 3: from ninth to th early nineteen eighties to present, and

803
00:39:21,718 --> 00:39:23,998
Speaker 3: I see a lot of consistency with what I wrote

804
00:39:24,238 --> 00:39:27,078
Speaker 3: in the nineteen eighties to what I still believe in today.

805
00:39:27,118 --> 00:39:30,318
Speaker 3: That really had worked and it was culminated in twenty sixteen.

806
00:39:30,398 --> 00:39:35,798
Speaker 3: But it's amazing that that stuff doesn't really matter anymore.

807
00:39:36,318 --> 00:39:39,198
Speaker 3: And the fact that you think that just based on

808
00:39:39,518 --> 00:39:43,118
Speaker 3: I don't reading a leadership book, or just the fact

809
00:39:43,158 --> 00:39:44,678
Speaker 3: that you have a lot of money based on another

810
00:39:44,718 --> 00:39:47,078
Speaker 3: industry that you're going to walk in and be successful

811
00:39:47,158 --> 00:39:51,158
Speaker 3: doing this, it's really it's it's that's this concerning and

812
00:39:51,198 --> 00:39:54,238
Speaker 3: it's it is a cost for concern. But again, it's

813
00:39:54,278 --> 00:39:56,598
Speaker 3: not just in our game, it's in every game, it's

814
00:39:56,638 --> 00:40:01,638
Speaker 3: in every business. And with that we've again experience really

815
00:40:02,078 --> 00:40:04,878
Speaker 3: is not that important to groups a more. Wisdom is

816
00:40:04,878 --> 00:40:08,318
Speaker 3: not necessarily that important anymore. It's just the idea that

817
00:40:08,398 --> 00:40:11,718
Speaker 3: you whoever's in charge, but people report to them. You

818
00:40:11,838 --> 00:40:16,398
Speaker 3: pretty much have to concede eques and creativity and the

819
00:40:16,438 --> 00:40:19,078
Speaker 3: ability to think on your own is not really encouraged.

820
00:40:19,118 --> 00:40:21,838
Speaker 3: It's really not last when I had a big dinner

821
00:40:21,918 --> 00:40:24,158
Speaker 3: last night with a bunch of old rays here, Jim

822
00:40:24,238 --> 00:40:27,718
Speaker 3: Hickey was there, between stats. Tom Foley was sitting across

823
00:40:27,798 --> 00:40:30,638
Speaker 3: from me. We have we have in such really a

824
00:40:30,678 --> 00:40:34,998
Speaker 3: wonderful time. But the fact that this kind of this method,

825
00:40:35,038 --> 00:40:38,158
Speaker 3: this this style, it's not it's not being recruited anymore,

826
00:40:38,158 --> 00:40:43,758
Speaker 3: it's not desired anymore. This experienced person is not necessary.

827
00:40:43,918 --> 00:40:47,558
Speaker 3: And my overarching point is that who's teaching the game

828
00:40:47,598 --> 00:40:50,238
Speaker 3: to the minor leaguers and I'm talking about the minor

829
00:40:50,318 --> 00:40:54,558
Speaker 3: league coaches, who's passing the game along. Nobody's even thinking

830
00:40:54,558 --> 00:40:57,718
Speaker 3: about that. Nobody's talking about that, and I think that

831
00:40:57,838 --> 00:41:01,918
Speaker 3: is a real big mistake. The game is kind of

832
00:41:01,918 --> 00:41:03,638
Speaker 3: a little bit of a renaissance last year based on

833
00:41:03,678 --> 00:41:06,238
Speaker 3: a couple or rules changes, but it's not because the

834
00:41:06,278 --> 00:41:09,318
Speaker 3: game was being taught any better on a lower level.

835
00:41:09,718 --> 00:41:12,638
Speaker 3: So if the game wants to sustain itself and really

836
00:41:12,678 --> 00:41:17,758
Speaker 3: become this pleasing kind of a performance for the for

837
00:41:17,838 --> 00:41:20,278
Speaker 3: the fan base to really get absorbed in again, we

838
00:41:20,358 --> 00:41:23,398
Speaker 3: have to be aware of who's coaching the coaches in

839
00:41:23,438 --> 00:41:27,358
Speaker 3: the minor league, who's passing the game along. That is

840
00:41:27,518 --> 00:41:30,758
Speaker 3: such an important concept, and I don't think I've heard

841
00:41:30,758 --> 00:41:31,878
Speaker 3: it discussed one time.

842
00:41:32,278 --> 00:41:34,198
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, listen, we talked about a little

843
00:41:34,198 --> 00:41:36,398
Speaker 1: bit last week in terms of putting together our coaching

844
00:41:36,438 --> 00:41:38,398
Speaker 1: staff and making sure you do have a blend. I

845
00:41:38,398 --> 00:41:40,398
Speaker 1: do think the game is coming back a little bit

846
00:41:40,438 --> 00:41:42,958
Speaker 1: in that regard, Joe. It takes time. It's not going

847
00:41:43,038 --> 00:41:45,758
Speaker 1: to be a you know, a flip of a switch here.

848
00:41:46,798 --> 00:41:49,638
Speaker 1: But when you look around, you know, and you use

849
00:41:49,718 --> 00:41:52,118
Speaker 1: this word all the time, a blend right and balance

850
00:41:52,958 --> 00:41:55,478
Speaker 1: is probably the word you prefer over everything. That's the

851
00:41:55,518 --> 00:41:57,558
Speaker 1: answer here, because when you look at teams that are

852
00:41:57,598 --> 00:42:01,598
Speaker 1: winning championships, it's the teams that do have that blend,

853
00:42:01,638 --> 00:42:05,518
Speaker 1: that do have the human connection. Texas is the premier

854
00:42:05,598 --> 00:42:08,838
Speaker 1: example last year, and you can pick just about any team.

855
00:42:08,878 --> 00:42:11,918
Speaker 1: But the teams that are going heavy into so called

856
00:42:11,998 --> 00:42:14,398
Speaker 1: new age and analytics and all that stuff is great,

857
00:42:14,478 --> 00:42:18,878
Speaker 1: it's awesome. They're not winning championships. They're finding, you know,

858
00:42:19,238 --> 00:42:22,318
Speaker 1: edges in terms of, you know, some things on the margins.

859
00:42:22,358 --> 00:42:24,798
Speaker 1: I get that. That's great, you're always looking for that,

860
00:42:24,838 --> 00:42:28,558
Speaker 1: But what wins championships it's a team, it's the connection,

861
00:42:29,878 --> 00:42:33,558
Speaker 1: and I think that's true in every sport. So you know, listen, hey,

862
00:42:33,598 --> 00:42:36,478
Speaker 1: we started out and this is our football edition to

863
00:42:36,478 --> 00:42:38,318
Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcast. I'm going to bring it

864
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Speaker 1: back to the NFL playoffs. This weekend coming up, the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine Ers will play their thirty eighth

866
00:42:44,958 --> 00:42:48,198
Speaker 1: home game in the postseason. That will break a tie

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Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh as the most ever in the NFL and

868
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Speaker 1: the postseason thirty eight home playoff games the record so far,

869
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Speaker 1: the first thirty seven at home, twenty seven and ten.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't find those records at home in

871
00:43:01,678 --> 00:43:05,598
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. I'm sorry. So you go with the chalk.

872
00:43:05,638 --> 00:43:08,118
Speaker 1: If you're a betting man, last year in the postseason,

873
00:43:08,158 --> 00:43:11,038
Speaker 1: you took the road team in baseball every single game,

874
00:43:11,158 --> 00:43:12,838
Speaker 1: you would have made a lot of money. Do the

875
00:43:12,878 --> 00:43:14,278
Speaker 1: exact opposite in the NFL.

876
00:43:14,798 --> 00:43:18,278
Speaker 3: Yeah, Keysar Stadium did it start there? They got into

877
00:43:18,278 --> 00:43:21,238
Speaker 3: Candlestick for a while, and now they're in Santa Clara.

878
00:43:21,438 --> 00:43:23,758
Speaker 3: They're just they're just really good. I don't even know.

879
00:43:23,678 --> 00:43:25,838
Speaker 2: To what extent being on the West coast helps them.

880
00:43:26,078 --> 00:43:27,918
Speaker 3: You know, if an East Coast team has to fly

881
00:43:27,998 --> 00:43:30,998
Speaker 3: out there to their home field. The time zone this

882
00:43:31,158 --> 00:43:33,718
Speaker 3: and that's that's real. When you have to change time zones,

883
00:43:33,758 --> 00:43:36,758
Speaker 3: that stuff is real. But also they've had really good teams.

884
00:43:37,518 --> 00:43:39,798
Speaker 3: I know mister de Bartlope, he lives down here in Tampa.

885
00:43:39,918 --> 00:43:42,318
Speaker 3: We talked about it. I've been to some events with him.

886
00:43:42,318 --> 00:43:45,198
Speaker 3: I met some of the iconic past forty nine or players.

887
00:43:45,238 --> 00:43:47,918
Speaker 3: The point is they got good players. With all these things,

888
00:43:48,198 --> 00:43:50,958
Speaker 3: all these whether it's baseball or football, whatever, whether you're

889
00:43:51,038 --> 00:43:53,238
Speaker 3: data driven or not, it really comes out and having

890
00:43:53,278 --> 00:43:56,838
Speaker 3: good players. And they've had good players. I think that

891
00:43:56,878 --> 00:44:01,718
Speaker 3: gets overlooked sometimes everything everybody's worried about methods in a sensor,

892
00:44:02,638 --> 00:44:05,158
Speaker 3: whether you know, data versus we talked about that a

893
00:44:05,238 --> 00:44:06,998
Speaker 3: versus the heartbeat. At the end of the day, man,

894
00:44:07,038 --> 00:44:08,878
Speaker 3: it comes down to having good players. It's always about

895
00:44:08,918 --> 00:44:12,798
Speaker 3: your acquisitional abilities. So teams with better players are gonna

896
00:44:13,118 --> 00:44:16,758
Speaker 3: win most of the time, and especially in football, and

897
00:44:16,838 --> 00:44:20,158
Speaker 3: I do believe you have if you're on a like

898
00:44:20,198 --> 00:44:22,358
Speaker 3: a West Coast, you have teams traveling out here to

899
00:44:22,358 --> 00:44:25,158
Speaker 3: play you often, you're gonna have an advantage. You're definitely

900
00:44:25,158 --> 00:44:27,558
Speaker 3: gonna have an advantage. And again that even speaks to travel.

901
00:44:27,558 --> 00:44:30,718
Speaker 3: I've even talked to a couple of NFL coaches or gms.

902
00:44:30,878 --> 00:44:33,198
Speaker 3: Why what about your travel out west? How do you

903
00:44:33,238 --> 00:44:35,998
Speaker 3: do that? When do you go? What do you think

904
00:44:36,038 --> 00:44:37,838
Speaker 3: about that? And how does it relate to you winning

905
00:44:37,918 --> 00:44:41,078
Speaker 3: or losing? So I think that might be embedded in

906
00:44:41,118 --> 00:44:44,038
Speaker 3: there somehow, and that'd be hard to approve or understand.

907
00:44:44,038 --> 00:44:46,438
Speaker 3: But I think of those things and I really believe

908
00:44:46,478 --> 00:44:47,478
Speaker 3: that they are very pertinent.

909
00:44:47,838 --> 00:44:51,078
Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, we talked about the NFL too, with overall,

910
00:44:51,078 --> 00:44:53,398
Speaker 1: it's a sixty seven percent advantage to be at home.

911
00:44:53,438 --> 00:44:55,438
Speaker 1: And then if you're the number one seed and number

912
00:44:55,438 --> 00:44:58,278
Speaker 1: two seed, you're coming off the bye week, everybody rests up,

913
00:44:58,278 --> 00:45:00,678
Speaker 1: which really means a lot. In football, it can be

914
00:45:00,838 --> 00:45:03,438
Speaker 1: disastrous and baseball, as we've seen, to be offered too

915
00:45:03,478 --> 00:45:06,598
Speaker 1: long is a great thing in football. So I think

916
00:45:06,638 --> 00:45:09,598
Speaker 1: about the Belichick teams in New England, taking nothing away

917
00:45:09,598 --> 00:45:11,958
Speaker 1: from them, but they would waltz through their division, win

918
00:45:11,998 --> 00:45:14,318
Speaker 1: the title, get buys to the first round, get home

919
00:45:14,358 --> 00:45:16,598
Speaker 1: games in the playoffs all the time, and the weather

920
00:45:16,678 --> 00:45:18,878
Speaker 1: would be cold and West Coast teams would come in

921
00:45:19,478 --> 00:45:22,398
Speaker 1: or like Miami going to Kansas City last week. I mean,

922
00:45:22,438 --> 00:45:24,198
Speaker 1: they were not going to win that game. Come on,

923
00:45:24,678 --> 00:45:27,198
Speaker 1: So all those things matter a lot in the NFL.

924
00:45:27,238 --> 00:45:29,398
Speaker 1: And how about Patrick Mahomes, as great as he is,

925
00:45:29,438 --> 00:45:32,958
Speaker 1: he's actually playing his first road playoff game this week,

926
00:45:32,998 --> 00:45:34,998
Speaker 1: going up the Buffalo to taking on Josh Allen at

927
00:45:35,038 --> 00:45:38,278
Speaker 1: the Bills. Isn't that amazing that Pat Mahomes has not

928
00:45:38,358 --> 00:45:40,878
Speaker 1: played a road playoff game. We're not counting neutral site

929
00:45:40,918 --> 00:45:42,478
Speaker 1: super bowls. It's amazing.

930
00:45:43,038 --> 00:45:44,078
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't even really.

931
00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:46,038
Speaker 3: I didn't, of course, I didn't realize that that is

932
00:45:46,038 --> 00:45:49,118
Speaker 3: interesting and that that is It's let's see how this

933
00:45:49,238 --> 00:45:51,238
Speaker 3: this is the other plays out, now, how they react

934
00:45:51,238 --> 00:45:54,438
Speaker 3: to this. You know, Buffalo has to be a home

935
00:45:54,438 --> 00:45:56,278
Speaker 3: court advantage, but so does Kansas City have to be

936
00:45:56,278 --> 00:45:58,438
Speaker 3: a home court advantage. So let's see what it looks

937
00:45:58,478 --> 00:46:00,678
Speaker 3: like on the road. Have two great quarterbacks. And that's

938
00:46:00,678 --> 00:46:03,118
Speaker 3: another thing about the NFL. You can talk about coaches

939
00:46:03,158 --> 00:46:04,878
Speaker 3: all you want. If you don't have a quarterback, you

940
00:46:04,918 --> 00:46:05,398
Speaker 3: ain't winning.

941
00:46:05,558 --> 00:46:06,198
Speaker 2: Thing goes.

942
00:46:07,718 --> 00:46:10,398
Speaker 3: There's no there's no way getting around it. I mean,

943
00:46:10,678 --> 00:46:12,718
Speaker 3: you know, basketball used to be I used to think

944
00:46:12,718 --> 00:46:15,318
Speaker 3: that you have to have a center in basketball, a

945
00:46:15,438 --> 00:46:18,558
Speaker 3: legitimate the h in baseball, you have to have left

946
00:46:18,558 --> 00:46:22,318
Speaker 3: handed relievers that were functional and good. And in the

947
00:46:22,438 --> 00:46:24,278
Speaker 3: NFL you had to have a quarterback man. There was

948
00:46:24,358 --> 00:46:26,798
Speaker 3: different things that you had to have in each sport

949
00:46:26,838 --> 00:46:29,998
Speaker 3: to be successful. And and really today the one that

950
00:46:30,118 --> 00:46:32,918
Speaker 3: still stands out more than anything is if you don't

951
00:46:32,958 --> 00:46:34,478
Speaker 3: have a quarterback, brother, you're going home.

952
00:46:34,878 --> 00:46:37,518
Speaker 1: It's so true. It's even true in college football. Football

953
00:46:37,558 --> 00:46:39,838
Speaker 1: is tough to watch if there's not good quarterback play.

954
00:46:40,118 --> 00:46:43,518
Speaker 1: It's so it pivots so much on quarterbacks. And speaking

955
00:46:43,598 --> 00:46:48,758
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, Brock Purty his dad, of course, he played

956
00:46:48,798 --> 00:46:52,638
Speaker 1: for you in the minor leagues. He'll be at quarterback

957
00:46:52,678 --> 00:46:54,838
Speaker 1: for the forty nine ers. This Sunday, great story. I

958
00:46:54,838 --> 00:46:56,718
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this. It was actually a

959
00:46:56,718 --> 00:47:00,038
Speaker 1: social media post. Brock. I think it was late in

960
00:47:00,078 --> 00:47:03,278
Speaker 1: the season. Played his first game close to home, played

961
00:47:03,318 --> 00:47:07,758
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, and right before the game, forty five minutes,

962
00:47:07,758 --> 00:47:11,758
Speaker 1: the team's out there going through walkthrough, stretching whatever. He

963
00:47:11,838 --> 00:47:15,078
Speaker 1: sees his family down there and they're all, it's all

964
00:47:15,038 --> 00:47:16,998
Speaker 1: a bunch wearing their forty nine ers gear. So he

965
00:47:17,038 --> 00:47:19,678
Speaker 1: comes over and he poses for a picture, puts on

966
00:47:19,758 --> 00:47:23,598
Speaker 1: this great, huge smile and it's a beautiful picture, and

967
00:47:23,678 --> 00:47:26,678
Speaker 1: as soon as the shutter snaps, he goes back in

968
00:47:26,718 --> 00:47:29,038
Speaker 1: the game mode and you did just the change in

969
00:47:29,118 --> 00:47:33,038
Speaker 1: his face from huge smile to game face was just

970
00:47:33,158 --> 00:47:35,038
Speaker 1: you gotta see if you see it on social media.

971
00:47:35,038 --> 00:47:38,078
Speaker 1: It was a great little video of rock party and

972
00:47:38,238 --> 00:47:39,918
Speaker 1: of course he goes out there. They win the game

973
00:47:39,998 --> 00:47:42,638
Speaker 1: forty five to twenty nine. He's as good as ever.

974
00:47:43,838 --> 00:47:46,118
Speaker 1: The great quote he said for me, you have to

975
00:47:46,158 --> 00:47:48,798
Speaker 1: be in the mindset of being sharp every play and

976
00:47:48,918 --> 00:47:52,478
Speaker 1: knowing what you're doing. So in that moment, yes, I

977
00:47:52,598 --> 00:47:55,878
Speaker 1: was sort of back in the football mode of I've

978
00:47:55,918 --> 00:47:59,478
Speaker 1: got to go be a surgeon. Love the way he

979
00:47:59,558 --> 00:48:03,078
Speaker 1: put that picture with family. Now it's time to go

980
00:48:03,158 --> 00:48:03,838
Speaker 1: be a surgeon.

981
00:48:05,558 --> 00:48:07,318
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why he is as good as he is.

982
00:48:08,238 --> 00:48:10,518
Speaker 3: You know that horrible injury at the end of last season.

983
00:48:12,238 --> 00:48:13,918
Speaker 3: I watch it, you know every time I watch the

984
00:48:13,958 --> 00:48:14,358
Speaker 3: kid play.

985
00:48:14,358 --> 00:48:14,838
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

986
00:48:14,918 --> 00:48:16,878
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, first of all, how did he

987
00:48:16,958 --> 00:48:18,998
Speaker 3: last that long into a draft? I mean, how did

988
00:48:19,038 --> 00:48:23,038
Speaker 3: everybody miss that badly? It happens occasionally, but my god,

989
00:48:23,118 --> 00:48:25,158
Speaker 3: well agains. You could talk about Tom Brady.

990
00:48:24,998 --> 00:48:27,358
Speaker 1: I guess because he didn't have a good combine you know,

991
00:48:27,558 --> 00:48:29,918
Speaker 1: his measurements and going out there and running around and

992
00:48:29,958 --> 00:48:30,958
Speaker 1: spandex went good.

993
00:48:30,998 --> 00:48:33,678
Speaker 3: Now, well that that is again that's that would be

994
00:48:33,718 --> 00:48:36,278
Speaker 3: something more driven by dad as opposed to human eyeballs.

995
00:48:37,038 --> 00:48:40,078
Speaker 3: But yeah, the kid, he's got ice water. He makes

996
00:48:40,118 --> 00:48:43,478
Speaker 3: great decisions. He appears to be very calm.

997
00:48:44,238 --> 00:48:44,758
Speaker 2: I love it.

998
00:48:44,798 --> 00:48:47,278
Speaker 3: I did the fact that him and his dad are

999
00:48:47,318 --> 00:48:49,118
Speaker 3: a FRIENDO a book of Joe.

1000
00:48:49,158 --> 00:48:50,398
Speaker 2: Now, I think it's great.

1001
00:48:50,438 --> 00:48:52,958
Speaker 3: I do watch with more intensity and and of course

1002
00:48:52,998 --> 00:48:55,478
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for him all the time, So bully for

1003
00:48:55,558 --> 00:48:56,998
Speaker 3: him and bully for the party family.

1004
00:48:57,238 --> 00:48:59,598
Speaker 1: I mean, he was he did nothing but win in college,

1005
00:48:59,678 --> 00:49:01,558
Speaker 1: played a lot in college, had a lot of reps,

1006
00:49:01,638 --> 00:49:06,478
Speaker 1: did nothing. But when give me your baseball equivalent of

1007
00:49:06,598 --> 00:49:10,838
Speaker 1: rock Perty, I'm thinking maybe James Shields as somebody that

1008
00:49:10,878 --> 00:49:13,798
Speaker 1: you just trust that maybe when the stat cast numbers

1009
00:49:13,798 --> 00:49:16,478
Speaker 1: come in, they're not blown away by you know, spin

1010
00:49:16,558 --> 00:49:20,118
Speaker 1: rates and vertical breaks. But as a manager, you say,

1011
00:49:20,278 --> 00:49:22,118
Speaker 1: I want this guy with the ball in his hands.

1012
00:49:22,478 --> 00:49:24,838
Speaker 3: Kyle Hendricks, you know, I mean James was like that.

1013
00:49:25,038 --> 00:49:25,918
Speaker 2: Kyle was like that.

1014
00:49:26,518 --> 00:49:30,558
Speaker 3: These guys were so darn steady, and you know, back

1015
00:49:30,558 --> 00:49:33,638
Speaker 3: in the time day I Chuck Finley was kind of

1016
00:49:33,678 --> 00:49:36,278
Speaker 3: like that too. I mean these are like kind of

1017
00:49:36,278 --> 00:49:39,958
Speaker 3: big names, but not over the top big names. But yeah,

1018
00:49:40,558 --> 00:49:43,998
Speaker 3: Kyle Hendricks, I would be watching the gun right and

1019
00:49:44,478 --> 00:49:47,718
Speaker 3: here comes the first pitch eighty six. Now where does

1020
00:49:47,798 --> 00:49:51,638
Speaker 3: eighty six play on a Major league ball field? And

1021
00:49:51,678 --> 00:49:53,518
Speaker 3: then there's certain days I saw eighty four and I

1022
00:49:53,518 --> 00:49:56,158
Speaker 3: get a little concern, But by here's the second or

1023
00:49:56,158 --> 00:49:58,758
Speaker 3: third inning, if I saw eighty six eighty seven, I

1024
00:49:58,838 --> 00:50:00,598
Speaker 3: knew he was gonna have a good day because of

1025
00:50:00,638 --> 00:50:02,918
Speaker 3: the movement on his pitches and his ability to locate,

1026
00:50:03,438 --> 00:50:05,398
Speaker 3: and just fact that he was so darn smart. So

1027
00:50:06,278 --> 00:50:09,398
Speaker 3: Kyle is kind of like the Rock Purty of MLB.

1028
00:50:09,838 --> 00:50:14,678
Speaker 1: I love the comparison. This has been fun football in January. Yeah,

1029
00:50:15,518 --> 00:50:18,278
Speaker 1: I'm only a month away from spring training, but it's

1030
00:50:18,318 --> 00:50:22,518
Speaker 1: been fun talking with former Lafayette Leopards quarterback Joe Madden.

1031
00:50:22,878 --> 00:50:25,598
Speaker 1: That being said, Joe, I probably surprised you with the

1032
00:50:25,598 --> 00:50:28,998
Speaker 1: topic today. So you always have something pertinent to take

1033
00:50:29,078 --> 00:50:31,118
Speaker 1: us out on. Let's see if you can come through today.

1034
00:50:31,518 --> 00:50:34,278
Speaker 3: Well, you're talking about all the coaches right and that

1035
00:50:34,358 --> 00:50:36,998
Speaker 3: have been let go, and in general terms, that just

1036
00:50:37,158 --> 00:50:40,238
Speaker 3: was with my boys last night. Formerly with the raise,

1037
00:50:40,318 --> 00:50:44,358
Speaker 3: all the coaches and staff members. Yeah, we just brother,

1038
00:50:44,518 --> 00:50:46,878
Speaker 3: you cannot laugh any harder than we laughed last We're

1039
00:50:46,878 --> 00:50:51,158
Speaker 3: disturbing the entire restaurant. But it was about leadership, and

1040
00:50:51,198 --> 00:50:53,998
Speaker 3: so I did. I went with leadership today, and then

1041
00:50:54,038 --> 00:50:57,638
Speaker 3: it's just a fascinating topic for me because to me,

1042
00:50:57,718 --> 00:51:01,318
Speaker 3: leadership used to be so easily defined and you know

1043
00:51:01,398 --> 00:51:03,118
Speaker 3: what you were talking about, But now I don't even

1044
00:51:03,198 --> 00:51:07,118
Speaker 3: know what's desired anymore when it comes to leadership, or

1045
00:51:07,118 --> 00:51:10,798
Speaker 3: even the fact that people think it matters any more

1046
00:51:10,998 --> 00:51:15,878
Speaker 3: consider it. I don't know, so I'm I wanted to

1047
00:51:15,918 --> 00:51:17,758
Speaker 3: focus on that. So this came from of all people,

1048
00:51:17,798 --> 00:51:21,998
Speaker 3: John Quincy Adams. If your actions inspire others to dream more,

1049
00:51:22,958 --> 00:51:28,158
Speaker 3: learn more, do more, and become more, you are a leader.

1050
00:51:28,318 --> 00:51:31,438
Speaker 3: There's nothing in there about controlling anybody. It's about the

1051
00:51:31,438 --> 00:51:35,238
Speaker 3: inspiration causing somebody to dream more. But to get your

1052
00:51:35,238 --> 00:51:39,238
Speaker 3: imagination in gear here learn more just you know, nobody

1053
00:51:39,278 --> 00:51:41,558
Speaker 3: has to tell you to figure things out or or

1054
00:51:41,598 --> 00:51:44,758
Speaker 3: what to study next. You have your own personal desire

1055
00:51:44,798 --> 00:51:47,918
Speaker 3: to learn more. And then just just in general becoming more.

1056
00:51:47,958 --> 00:51:52,998
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's pretty much sums up how I

1057
00:51:53,078 --> 00:51:56,478
Speaker 3: was back in the eighties moving on up to get

1058
00:51:56,478 --> 00:51:58,798
Speaker 3: to the point where I did. Eventually, I had those

1059
00:51:59,158 --> 00:52:02,878
Speaker 3: my coaches, my mentors, or that they're inspirational, Gene Mock

1060
00:52:03,598 --> 00:52:07,278
Speaker 3: you know more, you know, Larry Himes, learn more, Bob

1061
00:52:07,318 --> 00:52:10,678
Speaker 3: Clare and Marcel Latchman do more work ethic. My god,

1062
00:52:10,718 --> 00:52:12,998
Speaker 3: there was so many guys with great work ethic and

1063
00:52:13,078 --> 00:52:15,118
Speaker 3: become more. I wanted to become a major league manager.

1064
00:52:15,638 --> 00:52:18,918
Speaker 3: So that kind of nailed it on the head for me.

1065
00:52:18,918 --> 00:52:21,438
Speaker 3: So I don't know as we move this thing forward leadership,

1066
00:52:21,438 --> 00:52:23,318
Speaker 3: who these new managers or coaches are going to be

1067
00:52:23,438 --> 00:52:26,958
Speaker 3: and trying to find out, you know, what caused different

1068
00:52:26,998 --> 00:52:29,078
Speaker 3: groups to want to hire different people and why.

1069
00:52:29,958 --> 00:52:30,798
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.

1070
00:52:30,838 --> 00:52:34,398
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm so aware of the leadership component of

1071
00:52:34,438 --> 00:52:36,558
Speaker 3: all this, and I don't want to say what it's default,

1072
00:52:36,638 --> 00:52:39,358
Speaker 3: because there's some great leaders out there, no question. But

1073
00:52:40,718 --> 00:52:42,838
Speaker 3: last point with all of this, you talk about we're

1074
00:52:42,878 --> 00:52:46,958
Speaker 3: talking about data, and we're talking about analytics whatever versus coaches.

1075
00:52:46,958 --> 00:52:50,078
Speaker 3: But there's so much redundancy in this analytical world. I

1076
00:52:50,118 --> 00:52:53,598
Speaker 3: don't understand why that's not located or talked about either.

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Speaker 3: When you hire these big baseball operations people with so

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Speaker 3: many analysts. Why, I mean, aren't they stepping on each

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Speaker 3: other's toes? Wouldn't I rather have a real human that

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Speaker 3: has done things before, a really good coach that could

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Speaker 3: relate to people one on one, sit down with them

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Speaker 3: bad day, talk to them, point different things out to them.

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Speaker 3: Because this other stuff is very non emotional.

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Speaker 2: It lacks any of that.

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Speaker 3: It's a number, right, and it's a picture, it's a video, whatever.

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Speaker 3: But a human relating experience to another human, to me,

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Speaker 3: is still the most valuable thing to do. So I'm

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Speaker 3: just curious about leadership and what we perceive to be

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Speaker 3: a good leader of these days, and what you're looking

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Speaker 3: for as you're turning your whatever you're doing over to

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Speaker 3: someone else, what are you looking for in that person?

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Speaker 2: Are you there to empower them or to control them?

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that you want back a couple

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Speaker 1: one hundred years to get JQ Adams to kind of

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Speaker 1: define JQA. And you know what that's Those are truisms

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Speaker 1: when they hold true for hundreds of years. And I

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Speaker 1: think he's was onto something there, Joe, because we hear

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Speaker 1: a lot about the phrase the players like to play

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Speaker 1: for this coach or he likes to play for this manager.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean to me? That means it's almost

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Speaker 1: like with your parents. You don't want to let them down, right,

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Speaker 1: there's something there that drives you where you don't want

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Speaker 1: to personally let someone down. And so for JQ to

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Speaker 1: nail it to me, it's almost an equivalent of leadership

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Speaker 1: equals inspiration. The ability to inspire, that's leadership.

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Speaker 3: I agree, man, And that's my best guys. We talk

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Speaker 3: about in the Book of Joe coach Bob Root, my

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Speaker 3: Lafayete backfield coach, my quarterback coach, probably inspirationally one of

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Speaker 3: the best I've ever had. And it was all about

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Speaker 3: the fact that we would talk about things. It was

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Speaker 3: never a yelling situation, it was never calling me names.

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Speaker 3: Whatever was just about and what just happened, how can

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Speaker 3: we make this better? Or And the ultimate was when

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Speaker 3: same thing, and I would oh, my god, coach, you

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Speaker 3: was thinking.

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Speaker 2: The exact same thing. Wow, that validation was the best.

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Speaker 1: We'll end it right there this football edition and just remember,

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Speaker 1: Joe take the home teams this weekend.

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Speaker 3: I got it there Today, make my put my bets

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Speaker 3: down somewhere. There's got to be a bookie here in

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Speaker 3: Tampa somewhere.

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