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Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. It is Monday, December twenty ninth, and boy,

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Speaker 1: is there a scary story that every parent needs to

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Speaker 1: hear out of Texas. It happened on Christmas Day. Fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old girl goes out to take her family dog

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Speaker 1: for a walk, and when she doesn't come back in time,

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Speaker 1: her father used his quick thinking, pulled up his phone.

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Speaker 1: He had a tracking app was able to find his

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Speaker 1: daughter and it is shocking where it led him. And

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Speaker 2: Babe?

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Speaker 1: Did you I can only imagine as the father of

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Speaker 1: a soon to be thirteen year old girl, this story

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Speaker 1: had to send chills down your spine.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why it was so aggravating to me

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Speaker 2: that it happened on Christmas Day. That's not so bout.

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Speaker 2: Look any day that your child disappears and somebody takes them,

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Speaker 2: especially a guy takes a girl that type of kidnapping thing,

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Speaker 2: it's awfu. It's tragic. You can't piss a day at

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Speaker 2: all more period. I don't know why it was such

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Speaker 2: an aggravating factor for me. It seems like a lot

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Speaker 2: has been happening around the Christmas holidays that just you know,

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Speaker 2: even when we were talking about Brown University so close

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Speaker 2: to the holidays. Another story we're talking about this morning.

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Speaker 2: A woman accidentally shot straight bullet on Christmas Day. It's

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Speaker 2: all about Christmas Day. Really pisses me off about this story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just I mean, of all days, as

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Speaker 1: you point out, any day would be terrible for this

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Speaker 1: You living in a suburb, the family lived just outside

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Speaker 3: It's Christmas Day.

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Speaker 1: You don't think anything like I wouldn't be worried at

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Speaker 1: all about my fifteen year old going out to walk

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Speaker 2: And it was a lovely that Houston had nice weather.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't some cold blizzard up in it, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's fairly pleasant in Texas around. It was a nice day.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't think anything of it. So yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: also I would also you might give it a little time.

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Speaker 1: All she's not back, maybe she ran into somebody she knows,

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Speaker 1: would never your guard would be completely down. So kudos

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Speaker 1: to this dad who jumps on his phone. He sees

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Speaker 1: So that's alarming, right, And then he sees it's in

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Speaker 1: describe as partially nude. Those moments what goes through this

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean there was a weapon involved here. I

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Speaker 2: mean this is dangerous and no matter what, yes, everything, everywhere,

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Speaker 2: everybody calling this dad a hero, Kudos to you. Every

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Speaker 2: but every police officer who's a dad will also say,

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Speaker 2: is not that situation. He took this girl at knife point,

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Speaker 1: Fury when you just described it, I actually had chills

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Speaker 2: It's very curious. A half naked, armed man and the

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Speaker 1: To your point, perhaps police weren't so quick to tell

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Speaker 1: but you pointed it out. They don't want people taking

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Speaker 3: So maybe they aren't telling us for those reasons.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I will tell every desperate father out there, do

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Speaker 2: terrible advice, dangerous advice. But what is the cop gonna

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Speaker 2: And on Christmas Day, what kind of response are you

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Speaker 3: You're so right?

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Speaker 2: Okay, there is This man had no other choice than

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Speaker 1: I mean, every parent knows that's exactly instinctually what you

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Speaker 2: Every cop is like, nope, this is not the right advice.

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Speaker 2: Every parent, and what else do you do? Even if

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Speaker 2: to get them do that? It's going to take a

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Speaker 2: few more minutes. How it takes some more time? Hey

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Speaker 2: the hell? Yes? And he knows his kid. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: he blew that phone up was calling. She wasn't answering.

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Speaker 1: He knew there was a You know, this is another

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Speaker 1: We all worry about too much screen time or they

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be gone long.

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Speaker 1: This is exactly the reason why if your child is

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Speaker 2: Parents. What do we do when they're in front of us?

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Speaker 2: All we do get off your phone, Get off your phone.

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Speaker 2: Then when they walk out, you got your phone.

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Speaker 3: It's a lifeline.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, it obviously has a lot of negativity

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Speaker 1: He was charged with aggravated kidnapping and indecency with the

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Speaker 2: What's going on in someone's life that you choose Christmas

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Speaker 2: Day for kidnapping. There's a crime of opportunity. Had he

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Speaker 2: been eyeing her for a while, been following it? Did

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Speaker 2: Come on, okay, I get it. We'll find out some

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Speaker 2: I see you were going eighty five and a forty, right,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely damn right, you're getting the phone. Everybody's getting the phone.

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Speaker 3: You got to be in a phone at what age?

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Speaker 2: She was nine or ten, And that was a matter

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Speaker 2: I didn't give a holy shit iPhone the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: This was a matter of to practice, to test. And

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Speaker 3: Oh I am this. Thank God had a happy ending.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why I felt like this

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Speaker 3: It's Christmas weekend. I certainly missed this story.

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Speaker 1: But we read it this morning when we woke up,

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Speaker 1: to hear when we come back, I have to tell

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Speaker 1: you I do not track my daughters. I am rethinking

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Speaker 1: it now, but authorities say there are plenty, plenty of

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Speaker 1: cell phones can in fact become a lifeline. And welcome

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Speaker 3: And this is an important one.

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Speaker 1: This story is incredible for parents to hear because of

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Speaker 1: what happened in a Houston suburb on Christmas Day. Fifteen

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Speaker 1: Her father gets a little concerned and he is able

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's the one that got friend of mine, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Yes, And it's funny because not only do you see

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Speaker 2: She's the one I'd be scared to see where she

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Speaker 1: And you know what's scary, like Sabine six years behind

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Speaker 2: On that one.

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Speaker 1: But thank you all for listening to us. We always

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ.

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Speaker 3: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.