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Speaker 2: It's kind of exhausting being a human these days.

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Speaker 3: Well just look around, Just look around, Just look around.

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Speaker 1: And this is why sometimes we take a break and

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Speaker 4: The evenings of yesteryear.

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Speaker 1: Every so often we will go through a cryptid phase.

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Speaker 1: And this is a classic episode for all our fellow

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Speaker 1: all heard of the Lockness Monster and Mothman with that

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Speaker 3: And this episode is pre us finding out about Squank,

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Speaker 2: The Squawk guys, people behind the curtain of life. My

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Speaker 1: Saddest cryptid of all. Check out our other episode which

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Speaker 1: is entirely about the Squawk. And for now, we can't

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Speaker 1: wait to introduce you to some cryptids you have never

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Speaker 2: Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 6: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 6: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 6: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 6: production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission

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Speaker 1: Control Decant. Most importantly, you are here, and that makes

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Speaker 4: They don't want you to know a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a personal story that.

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Speaker 1: You guys would enjoy to open up the show today,

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Speaker 1: I was at our local bar named in a burst

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Speaker 1: a passion debate about Bigfoot and cryptozoology in general. It's like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: yelling at someone about cryptozoology in a bar is just

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Speaker 1: Just raised voices what whorp in America would call a

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Speaker 4: There was no agro.

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Speaker 1: Really, there were disagreements, but it was it was a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if that music comes down in your life.

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Speaker 1: But this this got me thinking that we have we've

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Speaker 2: Okay, so first off, we've got okay, we practice this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too much feet along with a giant horse

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Speaker 1: and Noel, you went and got some water and it's true.

438
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm now quenched fully and I stole.

439
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: The pumpkin's right now we have a pumpkin.

440
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: It's kind of changed the vibe in the room, though,

441
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: I know that good for the better.

442
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm feeling more focused.

443
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: Did you talk about how this could be something of

444
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: a combo between a triceratops and a striasaurus, a striacasaurus.

445
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: I don't even know that one.

446
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: No, No, that's that's a good point, because we it

447
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: behooves us to have some specificity. You're right, I just

448
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: got excited and said dinosaur. But saying dinosaur is like

449
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: saying chair or cancer. It describes a rough concept of

450
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: a thing, correct, But there are so many differences, uh,

451
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: you know, with the emilia, we also see the we

452
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: we see descriptions of it. The date back pretty far,

453
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: but not as far back as the descriptions of our

454
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: earlier super eel, the Incan Yamba. So the Incan Yamba

455
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: may be an exaggerated story about something that was real.

456
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: The Emeloka is a little harder to explain. Was it

457
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: somebody like? In all the drawings that see of it?

458
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: It looks reptilian right, all the depictions, of course, spoiler alert,

459
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: there are no photographs. So going to your little point,

460
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: noel it it has a horn, it has you know,

461
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: rough skin, it's stuck covered with fur feathers. So could

462
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: they just be seeing a rhinoceros again in the wild

463
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: panicking and freaking out? Because I would.

464
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 3: This is why I want to bring up, Yeah, when

465
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: is the last time you guys saw with your eyes

466
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: a rhinoceros?

467
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 4: A number of years ago?

468
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: About six I guess I must have seen one zooed

469
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: up somewhere, But I can't recall which zoo, like real

470
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 2: San Diego.

471
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 3: Maybe really picture in your mind the last time you

472
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: saw a rhinoceros.

473
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: This about six years ago. It was that a zoo too,

474
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't just like on the street.

475
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, those things are just odd. They don't feel real,

476
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: especially if you live anywhere near a city, like anywhere,

477
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter where're on Earth. If you live near

478
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: you're a city, probably aren't going to see a rhinoceros

479
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: very often, true, And if you just really behold one

480
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 3: walking around, it's an odd experience. So I'm just saying

481
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 3: to your point, Ben, when you were trying to build

482
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 3: off what you were saying, to just behold one may

483
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: throw you off, especially if it's far enough in the

484
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 3: distance it looks even bigger than maybe it is. Yeah,

485
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: just compared to the surrounding foliage or whatever it's near.

486
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw one in the wild too,

487
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: like most of us, since the majority of human beings

488
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: live in urban areas. Now that's true, that's a change

489
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: that happened during our lifetime. That means the majority of

490
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: us will see most of the wild animals will see

491
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: are going to be in the animal jails that we

492
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: call zoos, or.

493
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 3: At least in a protected reserve somewhere.

494
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, which is better than a zoo. Sure, And

495
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: that's not a ding on zoos and being a little

496
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: bit unfair to them, because zoos do tremendous conservation work,

497
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: and the Atlanta Zoo actually has, I think, is this

498
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: huge force in the community. I think they do do

499
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: good work as well.

500
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: And they just expanded and they have a savannah section now,

501
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: which is you know.

502
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 3: Oh I haven't been there.

503
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have either. It's down by my house, so

504
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: I've been seeing the construction going on for quite a while,

505
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: but I have not been since it's been opened up,

506
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: so it'd be interesting.

507
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 3: To check out.

508
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: I know some people are super anti zoo, which I understand,

509
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: but I also understand that many of these animals would

510
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: not be able to survive in the wild, and that's

511
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: why they bring them in and take good care of them.

512
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: And zoos, I don't know.

513
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: We've talked about the poaching problem that is severe rhinoceross.

514
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: And I mean take the example of tigers. There are

515
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: I think more tigers living in captivity in Texas than

516
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: there are in the wild across the planet, and that's

517
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: from a few years ago. Conservation efforts have up the

518
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: tiger population. Actually get notifications about tigers on Twitter.

519
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: Nice doesn't always just come up with some sports stuff.

520
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: No, I.

521
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: Right now I'm following something called Tiger Tuesday, which I

522
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: didn't know is a thing, and it's where people just

523
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: point just post pictures of tigers. Oh wait, some sports

524
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: stuff creeps in. But I'm you know, I'm there for

525
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: the animals, gotcha. I should get better hobbies, guys. But

526
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: so we've been talking about large creatures in the African continent,

527
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: and again, as you can tell, the big question for

528
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: us is how could something be this big and remain undiscovered.

529
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: But let's go, let's go across the water. Let's let's

530
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: explore the story of one of the cryptids that I'm

531
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: surprised we haven't done a full episode on, and that

532
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: is the thunderbird.

533
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: Oh okay, the fabulous thunderbird.

534
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so quick story to get us into this.

535
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: Driving around with the wife and kid a couple of

536
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: days ago and we're just playing up stops on and

537
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: my son looks out his window and just kind of says, uh,

538
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: what's that, and it was two huge. I believe they

539
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: were turkey vultures. Okay, so much larger birds than any

540
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: of us are used to seeing just in the wild

541
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: at any time. I couldn't say exactly how tall they were,

542
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: maybe three feet tall something to that effect. Three feet

543
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: is probably about about three feet tall. But as my

544
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: son is remarking about them, they put their wings out

545
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: and fly upwards. And seeing a bird of that size

546
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: up close was intense. And I don't I mean, Noel,

547
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: you would have You would have probably peeped myself, no,

548
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: or at least jumped out and tried to attack them

549
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: just to get them away.

550
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: No. I would have peepeed myself, okay, and then possibly

551
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: gone into an irreversible a coma.

552
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: Oh oh, well, well we would have taken measures.

553
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't think you undershare the level of fear I

554
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: have towards large birds. Yeah, forget forget about it.

555
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 3: Well, so here's the thing. Could you know, describe to

556
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: us what it would be like to see a thunderbird.

557
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: I'd rather not, but I will give it my all.

558
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: So the popular hot spots for seeing these very large

559
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: bird like creatures would be in Northern Canada and even Alaska, Ben,

560
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: did you happen to catch any while you were vacationing there?

561
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: And then in.

562
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: Alaska vacationing, No, I saw a moose and that was

563
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: enough for me because those those things are huge. There's

564
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: a problem since you got this pumpkin here, there's a

565
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: problem in Alaska for people trying to celebrate Halloween because

566
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: when they carve pumpkins and they set them out on

567
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: their porch, depending on where they live, it's like candy

568
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: to a moose.

569
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: Sure can they make a smell it from a mile

570
00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: away and they.

571
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: Just come towards it and you can't stop them.

572
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: What can we do?

573
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I would I would have freaked out

574
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: if I saw something larger than a move right third.

575
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely it would have been that. And then you could

576
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: even see them down in Central America. But in Canada

577
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: you actually there's there's like totem poles that are in

578
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: the shape of thunderbird. Is a place called Thunderbird Park

579
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: in Victoria, British Columbia where you can see some of

580
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: these very things and they are the stuff of legend

581
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 2: mythical creatures. In fact, sort of eagle like birds that

582
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: are known for having very powerful talons and very much

583
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: present in Native American culture. Various tribes in the American Midwest,

584
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: and as we said, in Canada, the Sioux Nation, the

585
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: Brule Sioux from South Dakota on a reservation known as

586
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: the Rosebud Reservation, has their own thunderbird legend called the

587
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: wakean yon Tonka, also known as the Great Thunderbird.

588
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: So, so if you're imagining these things, it's like a

589
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: large feathered terodon or a pterodactyl like huge and nol.

590
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you a picture here, and I want

591
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: you to describe this picture, because I have a feeling

592
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: if you came across this in real life, you'd have

593
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: a reaction. Look at this picture right here.

594
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: I've seen that it looks it looks like it looks

595
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: like a giant corved kind of which a friend to

596
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: Ben's the world over. Ben commands them and they sort

597
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: of flock to him and they bring him shiny things.

598
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: We work together.

599
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: It's it's a symbiotic relationship. But this thing twice as

600
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: tall as that go, twice as tall as this gentleman

601
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: posing with this uh with this taxidermy car.

602
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: No, it's not real. It's not real. It's it's in imagination.

603
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: It's an imagining of what a thunderbird how it's been described.

604
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: Okay, well it's it's the wingspan would probably be in

605
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: the neighborhood of I don't know, about twenty feet.

606
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like that's that's correct.

607
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: And the thing is, the thunderbird evolved from the word

608
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: we use now has taken a meaning that evolved from

609
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: the original mythology. It is present in a lot of

610
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: ancient Native American mythology, and you can find very old

611
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: sandstone carvings. You can find paintings and caves and so on,

612
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: and you know, like the total poles you mentioned earlier,

613
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: but now and in the recent in the recent past,

614
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: the phrase thunderbird has been used to describe any large, flying,

615
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: unidentified organism in the US or the.

616
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: Quote unquote New World.

617
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: So you'll hear people like the common thing people say

618
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: is like, well, it flew, but reports didn't see it

619
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: had feathers, so it's obviously a pterodactyl or you know,

620
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: a relic population of something like you know, some creature

621
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: like that, a flying reptile. But then you'll hear other

622
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: people say, no, it's it's it's essentially a massive eagle.

623
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: It's big enough to take your children.

624
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: And they also say, but those pterosaurs did have feathers.

625
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: Dude, exactly exactly. So this animal is, or this cryptid,

626
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: i should say, is almost too famous for our cryptids.

627
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: You've never heard of lists it really is. Yeah, I

628
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: think you just wanted to explore it a little more

629
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: because growing up, if you were ever one of those

630
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: kids who read those time life mystery books, they all

631
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: had names that were kind of similar, like Mysteries of

632
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: the Unknown or Unexplored Unknown Mysteries, fair and normal, you

633
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They would always trot out stories

634
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: about the thunderbird, usually the same one. There's a story

635
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: about these guys who will save it when if we

636
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: ever do an episode just on the thunderbird, it's a

637
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: story about these guys who shoot and capture one and

638
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: have the body so habeas corpus and all that, so

639
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: they ate.

640
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: For a month.

641
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 4: Well they take it back.

642
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: But then as we hear, you know, and like a

643
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: lot of those stories, stories of giants from that time,

644
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: stories about the Stecha and all these other things, for

645
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: some reason the proof they had, the tangible proof disappeared,

646
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: and you can see those reproduction photos, right. That may

647
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: may be out and out hoaxes. But we have to

648
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: ask ourselves, if there was such a large creature now,

649
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: especially with the popularity of aircraft, how on earth, how

650
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: on earth have we not seen it?

651
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: This one.

652
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: I would say it's possible that it was an ancestral

653
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: memory of a very large creature. But then again, the

654
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Speaker 1: big birds that we know about, at least in this continent,

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Speaker 1: from what I understand, the big birds we know about

656
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the big bird from Sesame Stream, Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 1: We're done with birds. We're going to explore something different.

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Speaker 1: So if you see something even worse, well that depends

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Speaker 1: worse for me. Worse for me, well, statistically worse for people.

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Speaker 1: Is the story of the jabab fofi ja apostrophe b

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00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: a f o f I. The name translates to great spider.

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00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: This is also in the Congo. It is exactly what

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Speaker 1: it says on the tin, Huge Spider with allegedly a

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Speaker 1: six foot wide leg span.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, six feet and supposedly it's a fan of eating monkeys, birds, yes,

716
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Speaker 2: and even small antelopes.

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00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: And humans obviously, of.

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00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: Course, not to mention besides their absurd ben as you

719
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Speaker 2: would say, cartoonish size. They're brown and said to be

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Speaker 2: a darker the older they get, which is an interesting fact,

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Speaker 2: or let's not call it a fact, let's call it

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Speaker 2: a detail. And they have a large purple mark on

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Speaker 2: their abdomens, so it sounds like a poison boy. Right,

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Speaker 2: They've got like some sort of shaped mark and they're black.

725
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Speaker 2: That doesn't sound good, right, Nature's.

726
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Speaker 4: Way of saying, watch out back tf off.

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Speaker 2: That's right. They're said to live in a similar to

728
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Speaker 2: the much smaller trapdoor spider conditions where they burn into

729
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Speaker 2: the ground.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but that's terrifying. Can you imagine something that

731
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Speaker 3: big that's burrowed into a hole? You're like, Oh, what's

732
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: the what's that hole?

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Speaker 4: God? What a way to go?

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Speaker 2: Sanguinates perhaps, Yeah, it makes me. It makes me think

735
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Speaker 2: of the scene in The Hobbit, you know, with the

736
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Speaker 2: giant spiders that the she.

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Speaker 4: Lob and is that Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 2: It's the Hobbit is the Hobbit? Okay, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: I remember from the ranking, not Ranking Bass, the it

740
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Speaker 2: is Ranking Bass, the animated one with the weird singing

741
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: that great test you know. Yeah, that's there's a part

742
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: where the spiders get Bilbo and crew.

743
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Speaker 1: The Ring.

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00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 2: It's both. It's definitely in the Hobbit.

745
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Speaker 4: It's definitely in the animated version of the Hobbit.

746
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: I just remember, you know he's traveling with the with

749
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Speaker 2: the with the dwarves and they get abducted by spiders

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Speaker 2: and the spider wraps them all up and it's the

751
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Speaker 2: whole thing. Yeah, I remember that he's got the little

752
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Speaker 2: the little sword sting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking of I'm thinking of the book. I'm

754
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Speaker 1: thinking not on the book.

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Speaker 2: Did they take some license with that scene in the book?

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Speaker 1: In the book, shelb the spider, the evil spider is

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Speaker 1: in Lord of the Ring.

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Speaker 4: You are absolutely correct about that.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think the spider in the animated Hobbit

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Speaker 2: had a name. It was just creepy spiders. But that's

761
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Speaker 2: the one that made the most indelible mark on me

762
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Speaker 2: when I was.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Tolkien had a thing for spiders, maybe he like

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Speaker 1: they were scary to him, and that's why I put

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Speaker 1: it in. He would have loved this jabab fothey.

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Speaker 2: And it also makes me think of George R. Martin

767
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: and the the game Songs of Fire and Ice books

768
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: talks about you know, the the winter that lasted you know,

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Speaker 2: years or whatever, and the spiders the size of hounds.

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Speaker 1: Is what they say, Well, we do have a possible

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Speaker 1: explanation for this.

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Speaker 2: And it's even just as creepy and it's worse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing, though, reports of this have been

775
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Speaker 1: taking place since the eighteenth century or since the nineteenth century,

776
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: and the Western Europeans found out about it in nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirty eight because people from Europe started claiming they had

778
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Speaker 1: seen these massive spiders, and given the politics of the time,

779
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: essentially what happened is that other Europeans said, okay, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: if someone who has the same color skin as us

781
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: said something, maybe we should believe them, which is just

782
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: the opposite of critical thinking, right, And because of these descriptions,

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Speaker 1: and because they matched so well, they were consistent from

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Speaker 1: different populations, they were burrowing trap spiders, Like you said,

785
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: because of this, people treated descriptions of these animals with

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Speaker 1: a little more. They give them a little more credibility

787
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: they would have ordinarily. But there has been one theory

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00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: advanced about the jibbuff f fy that says maybe they're

789
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: the misidentification of another type of animal that has proven

790
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: to exist, but not in a way that makes it better.

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Speaker 3: It's called a coconut crab.

792
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: It sounds delightful.

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00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: It sounds delicious, sounds.

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00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: Like something you'd get like at a Hawaiian joint.

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00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: Coconut crab, a little pineapple dipping sauce on the side, bring.

796
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: In some spot.

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00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: Well, just just for scale, guys, I'm gonna show you

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Speaker 1: a picture of how big the coconut crab is.

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Speaker 4: That is a full size trash can.

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Speaker 2: It's on a giant trash can. It looks sort of

801
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: like a creepy lobster.

802
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but on land, just hanging out a lot

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Speaker 3: of times. Just see him rolling with coconuts for real,

804
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: rolling around with coconuts and they're huge.

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00:44:54,440 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're are the largest land crab. They also they

806
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 4: make an impression, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: They're terrestrial hermit crabs and oh, I'm sorry, excuse me.

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00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Not just the largest land crab. They're the largest land

809
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: living arthropod overall in the world, got it. And we

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Speaker 1: think that given the environment of our current age, they

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Speaker 1: are at the upper limit for what an animal with

812
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Speaker 1: an exoskeleton can grow to be. They're as big as

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Speaker 1: it gets unless the environment literally changes.

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Speaker 3: It makes total sense.

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Speaker 1: And this also gives us some arguments against the existence

816
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Speaker 1: of this great spider, because spiders also have limits to

817
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Speaker 1: how big they can grow due to what they could

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Speaker 1: structurally support from the way their bodies are I won't

819
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Speaker 1: say designed, from the way their bodies happened.

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Speaker 4: Or the way their bodies evolved.

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Speaker 1: They also have a respiratory system and that limits what

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00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: they can what they can grow into. But did they

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00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: exist in the past, yes, or you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh perhaps perhaps you're talking about But the coconut crab exists.

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00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely, that's that's a real thing. It's a

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Speaker 1: real thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Matt, Are you uncomfortable with coconut crab?

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Speaker 3: I think I am, And you know, I think one

829
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: coconut crab is fine. I'm okay with that. But if

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Speaker 3: if coconut crab has maybe her whole family around a bunch. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 1: You know, they they live probably over sixty years. Whoa,

833
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: so you could get one and maybe bond with it.

834
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Speaker 2: Well, that's the same with most a lot of crustaceans

835
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Speaker 2: right now. They have absurdly long lives, like the the Lobsters.

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Speaker 4: I believe that's correct.

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00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: I learned that from the film The Lobster because the

838
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: Colin Carlo's character, Farrell, he wanted to become a lobster

839
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Speaker 2: because it lives a very long time.

840
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: I remember.

841
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was such a McSweeney's type of movie.

842
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, big heady New Yorker type stuff. Right.

843
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm checking right now and see whether or not you

844
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: can get a coconut crab as a pet. It looks

845
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Speaker 1: like their conservation status is undecided. That data is deficient,

846
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: So let us know if you live in an area

847
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: where coconut crab are around, or if you've seen one,

848
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: whether you think it could be mistaken for a malicious spider.

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Speaker 2: This is my favorite, just the name alone.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're removing on.

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00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: I think we should. All right, let's do it. We

852
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: don't have to. You want to talk more about crabs?

853
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 3: No, no, just take us there.

854
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna take you there in the format I'm

855
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: gonna take you there with two words, my friends, Okay,

856
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: rhinoceros dolphin.

857
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 4: Finally, boom, that's what I say.

858
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: So we've been asking for this whole time. It's like

859
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: a cryptid whale with two dorsal fins and eighteen twenty

860
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 2: off the coast of the Sandwich Islands, just a thing.

861
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 2: And New South Wales. Jean Rene Constean Qui, who was

862
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: a zoologist and anatomist, in addition to his pal Joseph

863
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: Paul Jamar, who was a naturalist, spotted what seemed to

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00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: be never before seen species of dolphins. And forgive me,

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Speaker 2: French folks, we don't have the benefit of Casey pegrim

866
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Speaker 2: on the case with us today. But koi or kui koy?

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Speaker 2: What do you think ben coy?

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Speaker 1: I would go quoi q u o y I would

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Speaker 1: because it's fun to say, yes my entire.

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Speaker 2: And Jama, I'm gonna say Jama chose to call this

871
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Speaker 2: this new underwater pal the rhinoceros dolphin. It's an official name,

872
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: being Delphinius rhinoceros. There have been a total of nine

873
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: rhinoceros dolphins sighted swimming side by side in a pod

874
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: in the Atlantic Ocean.

875
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 4: That's the thing.

876
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So these are credible witnesses who saw multiple instances

877
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: of what appears to be a different they're up to

878
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: that point, undiscovered creature, and they were probably, like a

879
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: lot of us listening now, filled with an immense sense

880
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: of relief because you know, I think we can all

881
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: agree the crappiest, most irritating, depressing thing about dolphins and

882
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: rhinoceros is that they're not lumped together in one species.

883
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 4: Yet.

884
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: You know, you see a dolphin and you're just like,

885
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm fifty percent there, but I cannot approve of this.

886
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that fifty rhino.

887
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, and that's that's the whole thing with

888
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 3: these these rhinoceros dolphins is that, you know, you've got

889
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: these experts viewing this this pod essentially right hanging out there.

890
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: They're used to seeing perhaps whales, perhaps dolphins, perhaps killer whales,

891
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: and they see these things and they noticed a couple

892
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: of things are different.

893
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: Right.

894
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 3: It's not that it's not the same coloration a lot

895
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: of dolphins that they've observed in the past. These are

896
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 3: I think they're white and black, like the white spots

897
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: on a like a black body. Yeah, similar to a

898
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: killer whale, but or at least in the two colors.

899
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: And they noticed that rather than a single dorsal fin

900
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: like you'd see on any dolphin, they had two.

901
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, one curved fin near the head and one

902
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: curved fin on the back. And it's that second fin

903
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: is placed a little further back than where a dolphin's

904
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: fin would normally be. And they also thought from what

905
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: they could see that the pectoral fins were larger than average.

906
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 4: And do we say it's nine feet long.

907
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: No, we didn't.

908
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: It's nine feet long, two hundred and fifty pounds. But

909
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: although that's that's that's a big boy. That's a big

910
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: ocean boy.

911
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: And it's also an estimation from being on a ship,

912
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: from sailing while you're observing these, but you know.

913
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 4: With not with a sample size of nine.

914
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 3: Yes, and we're having experts.

915
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: So this so is this interesting case because if there

916
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: are any undiscovered cryptids or large creatures as we have seen,

917
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: everything we know tells us that they are going, they

918
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 1: are most likely to be discovered in the ocean. Yes, right,

919
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: And so now we know that just because of that fact.

920
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: That fact alone, this one has a little more likelihood

921
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: of being a true case of an unapprehended or undocumented,

922
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: unproving cryptid that is a real animal. But we have

923
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: to ask ourselves what can it be? We have to

924
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: play you know, the stick in the mud police here. First,

925
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: it could just be a group of dolphins that had

926
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: a deformity, you know what I mean. There were the

927
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: dolphin version of an inbred hillbilly clan, which I know

928
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: it sounds dismissive, but what we're saying is they could

929
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: have just been a group or a pot that over

930
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: time had passed a mutation on to one another.

931
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, Well there's a there's another idea here

932
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: that possibly it was a different kind of whale that

933
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: they saw that actually looks a little bit like a

934
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 3: dolphin called the Blainsville's what is it, Blaine Blaineville's beaked whale?

935
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 3: B e A k ed whale.

936
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: Doesn't that sound like so you buy it at a

937
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 4: grocery store?

938
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, exactly, blain Well, well you can. You can

939
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: look up pictures of these. It's a very different looking whale,

940
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: and that dorsal fin is pushed. It looks like it's

941
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: pushed way back towards the tail. And they've got horns too, right, Yeah, yeah,

942
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: it's it's a very different creature, and if you had

943
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 3: never seen one before in let's say eighteen twenty, maybe

944
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: you believe it's just a different looking creature.

945
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: One other theory was proposed by marine biologists Rich Ellis.

946
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: He said, what if the what was called the rhinoceros

947
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: dolphin was just a normal dolphin that had a sucker

948
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: fish or romorra attached to its head. Again, the problem

949
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: of observation. But either way, this feels.

950
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: Like so they saw the two creatures like together in

951
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: concert and thought it was a super creature.

952
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like maybe they saw it from far enough

953
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: away that they mistook the romorra for being another fin

954
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: got it. But there's a problem with that because they

955
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: saw nine different Again, the thing here is they saw

956
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: nine different instances of this, So this would mean this

957
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: would mean we have to ask ourselves what is more likely.

958
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: Is it more likely that nine separate romorra matched up

959
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: with nine separate dolphins and attached themselves to the same

960
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: position on their body, or is it more likely that

961
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: there is a you know, a different explanation that they

962
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: were supposed to have these fins. Still that gives this

963
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: is probably our strongest example of something that might actually

964
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: be a real thing, unless, of course, you're into the

965
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: idea of an enormous octopus.

966
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: Okay, this has been a journey of discovery as a

967
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: non gentlemen. Well, next we're going to continue that into

968
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: into the into the depths with the Akaro Komoi. The

969
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: native I Knew people of Japan have long believed that

970
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: Volcano Bay, which is off the coast of Hokkaido, has

971
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: a population of giant octopuses called Akaro kamoi, and they

972
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: have been cited supposedly or purportedly rather for for many

973
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: many years. Yeah.

974
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a British missionary. His name was John Batchelor.

975
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: He was working in the area in the early nineteen

976
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: hundreds and he wrote down a siting in a book

977
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: he had called the I Knew in their fo and

978
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: he said that a great sea monster with large staring

979
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: eyes had attacked three local fishermen and their boat. So

980
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: imagine those old woodcuts of a boat sailing and then

981
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: a Leviathan like creature wrapping its tentacles around the mass

982
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: of the plane. It was like that, And he said

983
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: the monster was round in shape and emitted a dark,

984
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: fluid and noxious odor. The three men fled in dismay,

985
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: Not so much indeed, for fear, they say, but on

986
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: account of the dreadful smell, however that may have been.

987
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: They were so scared that the next morning all three

988
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: refused to get up and eat. They were lying in

989
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: their beds, pale and trembling. So the Japanese story giant octopus,

990
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that could absolutely be true.

991
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I mean, just now that we know the

992
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 3: giant squids exist, I feel like the giant octopus is

993
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: just waiting. It's just waiting to be found.

994
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: He really wants to wait. There was a sighting recently,

995
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: there was a there were there were some some reports

996
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: about not too long ago, about some giant giant squids,

997
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: the very least.

998
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, squids. I think that's what we're talking about.

999
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 4: The colossal squid.

1000
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but an octopus would be a little bit different,

1001
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: and uh, I think a little more exciting because they're

1002
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: so intelligent.

1003
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: Squids are are relatively intelligent, aren't they. Are they pods

1004
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: as well or not?

1005
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're not like the octopuses, the brains, the

1006
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: krem Delay, the brains of their heist game of the

1007
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: tentacled sea dwellers exactly.

1008
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: But if they leaked up with rhinoceros.

1009
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 4: Dolphins, that'd be some stuff that'd be hot.

1010
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hot mixtape if yeah, hot mix tape.

1011
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good look.

1012
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,520
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1013
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,359
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1014
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