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Speaker 2: Seaton's got a poll question. At least we have a
Speaker 2: few of them to toss around for the first hour
Speaker 2: of the program.
Speaker 5: Before we get to poll questions. Don't you think Ole
Speaker 5: miss is wondering like, how did it come to this?
Speaker 2: Well? I think Lane Kiffin is thinking that how did
Speaker 2: we get here? We're playing Duke after Notre Dame in Georgia, right,
Speaker 2: we're playing duke today. Yes, we're in the SEC football
Speaker 2: duke football.
Speaker 4: We should have been in the playoffs there and here
Speaker 4: they are. They've got Duke yes, Pa.
Speaker 6: And Notre Dame Georgia first is like a leading band,
Speaker 6: like a headlining band. And then the going second. Yeah,
Speaker 6: years ago the spin doctors opened up for the Rolling Stones.
Speaker 6: This would be like the Rolling Stones, no offense, no
Speaker 6: offense for.
Speaker 2: It's led Zeppelin and then Gin blossoms here.
Speaker 4: How did we get here? This brutal?
Speaker 2: And I like that Lane Kiffen was so active on
Speaker 2: social media sticking up for the SEC and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden Tennessee got blown out and we didn't
Speaker 2: hear from Lane after that. Here's a pet peeve that
Speaker 2: I have. I don't want to hear these analysts after
Speaker 2: the fact tell me somebody shouldn't be in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: You know when Kirk Kurbstreet says, basically the Indiana shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been here, but Herbie wasn't alone. There were a
Speaker 2: lot of other people who said, well, they shouldn't have
Speaker 2: been here. Okay, SMU shouldn't have been here. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: not blaming SMU or Indiana. They did everything they were
Speaker 2: supposed to do. And tell me that before they get
Speaker 2: blown out, not after. Did you say Tennessee shouldn't have
Speaker 2: been there. No, they earned the right to be there.
Speaker 2: They just got blown out. But this after the fact
Speaker 2: where you have people going, no, they never should have
Speaker 2: been there. Okay, if Arizona State gets blown out, people
Speaker 2: would have said, well they never should have gotten the
Speaker 2: first round, by right, that's the way it works. Are
Speaker 2: you saying that about Oregon? That Oregon shouldn't have been
Speaker 2: the number one team in the country, They shouldn't have
Speaker 2: been the number one seed. They got blown out my
Speaker 2: Ohio State. It's really easy to do that today. Do
Speaker 2: it before Okay, after the fact. I have no respect
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 5: Yes, a Oregon shouldn't be here before the hand would
Speaker 5: have been a very hot take that would have been.
Speaker 4: That would have been you know, I don't think Oregon
Speaker 4: belongs here.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but somebody's going to say that after the fact.
Speaker 2: You know, Arizona State, and I was worried because I thought,
Speaker 2: just make it competitive.
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 2: I rooted for Indiana smu Boise State, Arizona State to
Speaker 2: make it competitive. I didn't think they were going to win,
Speaker 2: but I thought, just make it competitive so we don't
Speaker 2: get this revisionist history where they never should have been there.
Speaker 2: And then Arizona State comes back and then they tie it,
Speaker 2: and then they go into overtime.
Speaker 4: They said, okay, they're off the hook here.
Speaker 2: That is a great loss, although they're not going to
Speaker 2: take it that way, but that was a standout game
Speaker 2: that they played and losing to Texas, and I thought
Speaker 2: Arizona State was the better team the second, third, fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: and part of the overtime.
Speaker 4: But it was fun to see.
Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna look at Ashton gent and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, yeah, okay, you're gonna play against that competition.
Speaker 2: He only he plays against who he is scheduled to
Speaker 2: play against. They didn't say, hey, can we pick the
Speaker 2: crappiest team so I can rush for twenty five hundred yards.
Speaker 2: Boise State did what they were asked to do. This
Speaker 2: is on college football. College football created the scenario where
Speaker 2: they said, hey, if you win your conference, you get
Speaker 2: a first round by. It doesn't make sense. We've said
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense. We said it before people realize
Speaker 2: it didn't make sense. They're going to change it. They're
Speaker 2: going to have and logic will step in, which is
Speaker 2: really rare in college football. But they will eventually get
Speaker 2: around to fixing this. So Boise State or Arizona State,
Speaker 2: these schools they're not getting first round bys. You're going
Speaker 2: to have and they should take anybody's opinion out it.
Speaker 2: Take the human equation out of this where we keep
Speaker 2: looking at.
Speaker 4: Alabama like it's Alabama. Just ask Vegas.
Speaker 2: Vegas will tell you, because their livelihood depends on this,
Speaker 2: they don't have any emotion. They will tell you the
Speaker 2: best teams who should be in and who shouldn't be in.
Speaker 2: And Alabama didn't deserve to be in.
Speaker 4: I know. It's one of those.
Speaker 2: Where you where they got to put in Alabama No,
Speaker 2: they don't, No, they don't. It's a new college football
Speaker 2: landscape here, folks. And that's where you see these teams
Speaker 2: who get a quarterback transfer portal nil money, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the artist you thought were Alabama, maybe
Speaker 2: even Georgia, they're knocked down a little bit here or
Speaker 2: others are coming up on them, and you're gonna have
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the transfer report, Quinn Ewers may be playing
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame next year.
Speaker 4: Why would you go to the pros?
Speaker 2: You can make six million dollars playing He's going to
Speaker 2: make what a quarterback taken in the top ten would make.
Speaker 2: And he's probably They're probably gonna imagine you win a
Speaker 2: national title and they.
Speaker 4: Say, thanks Quinn, we got Arch. We got Arch here
Speaker 4: ready to go.
Speaker 2: And there was a report that he had an offer
Speaker 2: of six million dollars. Some had speculated that it's Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: They have Riley Leonard, they're going to lose him. And
Speaker 2: I asked my college football source and they said Notre
Speaker 2: Dame thought that that was too rich for them. Six
Speaker 2: million dollars for Quinn years. So here he is coming
Speaker 2: off biggest win of his career. They got a home
Speaker 2: game basic coming up against Ohio State, and you got
Speaker 2: these guys already negotiating what they're going to do next year.
Speaker 2: It's college football. It's crazy and it was a lot
Speaker 2: of fun. You know, there were some really good games.
Speaker 2: Now there were some duds, but that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: It happens in the NFL play You know, how often
Speaker 2: do we go, oh, that team got blown out. They
Speaker 2: never should have been in We don't do that, not
Speaker 2: in the NFL, but we do it in college football.
Speaker 2: But it's because you're looking at somebody whose schedule inferior competition. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's never going to be an exact science, it's just not.
Speaker 2: But enjoy it. I think you know, we have playoff football.
Speaker 2: We didn't have playoff football before.
Speaker 3: We have it.
Speaker 2: Now it'll get better, games will be competitive. It's okay,
Speaker 2: first round matchups in the NCAA tournament, do you go, oh,
Speaker 2: they never should have been there, du blew out somebody
Speaker 2: by forty two.
Speaker 4: But we do that.
Speaker 2: We pick and choose, you know, with our discuss our outrage.
Speaker 5: Yes see right, but like if the Ravens get to
Speaker 5: the playoffs and get blown out in the first round,
Speaker 5: no one's gonna say, see, they shouldn't have been there,
Speaker 5: they didn't belong there. If you you could, you have
Speaker 5: the ability to completely remove that from the discussion in
Speaker 5: college football. You just have to take the steps to
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing that people will debate or say, oh,
Speaker 2: you're gonna give Lamar Jackson the MVP and they bowo
Speaker 2: out again like that would be the only thing that
Speaker 2: would happen in a situation like that. And by the way,
Speaker 2: that is the big topic here with Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: who's going to be the MVP? And I think it
Speaker 2: comes down to when you look at stats and you
Speaker 2: look at team performance. Because Lamar Jackson's had an unbelievable year.
Speaker 2: But I think we're all nobody's surprised at that. I
Speaker 2: think most people are surprised at the Buffalo Bills and
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. When you lose Stefan Diggs, they lost a
Speaker 2: lot of defensive players. So you got to kind of
Speaker 2: figure out what is what are the parameters here? What's
Speaker 2: the definition that you should be voting on, because that's
Speaker 2: another thing you're going to get this, Well it's his turn,
Speaker 2: what huh, You're either the MVP or you're not. It's
Speaker 2: like somebody wins the Academy Award because well it was
Speaker 2: their turn.
Speaker 4: Huh. You either earn it or you don't.
Speaker 2: But that will be a big topic coming up this
Speaker 2: weekend and the fact that Lamar's going to play keep
Speaker 2: his consecutive gamestreak going. But how long is he going
Speaker 2: to play? And does that factor in with somebody with
Speaker 2: the MVP race. But we'll talk to Chris Simms about that.
Speaker 2: Can something happen this weekend that changes the MVP? But
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be really really close, really close,
Speaker 2: and I certainly understand either way.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, people got upset.
Speaker 2: Remember when Joker was going to win his third and
Speaker 2: oh my god, Kendrick Perkins came on and it's like,
Speaker 2: what are we doing here?
Speaker 4: It's joe El Embiid. I go, no, it's not.
Speaker 2: Joker is the best player in basketball, the most valuable player.
Speaker 2: What do you talk Kendrick Perkins and the Mothership? I
Speaker 2: think you know suade that vote for Joel Embiid and
Speaker 2: Embiid had a great season, but he was not a
Speaker 2: better player, more valuable than Joker was. So you know
Speaker 2: what happens with the analyst here over the next seventy
Speaker 2: two hours, you're going to play a large role in
Speaker 2: all of this. All right, Seaton poll question, I'm blah
Speaker 2: bob blonde, but I'm ready to go here, I'm fired up.
Speaker 5: Let's go.
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go.
Speaker 5: You want to start with a dude pole question? All
Speaker 5: sent over a dude question more? Okay, So I should
Speaker 5: have said, sorry, my apologist, dude, dude or dude in
Speaker 5: many ways to see that the refs in the Texas
Speaker 5: Arizona State game.
Speaker 2: Dudde what minute tend to go? I know it's a
Speaker 2: minute tend to go? You still have to call targeting
Speaker 2: there asshoes driving and that would have given them a
Speaker 2: first down and we don't know what would have happened
Speaker 2: after that, but maybe they kick a field goal. But
Speaker 2: here is Ken Dillingham, he's the Arizona State head coach
Speaker 2: on the non call for targeting.
Speaker 7: In terms of the targeting, I mean, I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 7: I don't know what targeting is. We lost one of
Speaker 7: our best players in the first half for targeting and
Speaker 7: I just don't know. I just don't I just don't
Speaker 7: know what it is. So I don't want to comment
Speaker 7: on something that I have to get a better grasp
Speaker 7: of what it is, just because it's so you know,
Speaker 7: I just don't quite understand it. I do just want
Speaker 7: to protect the players, though, so whatever rules are put
Speaker 7: in place to protect the players, I'm all about.
Speaker 4: It's targeting. It is, and he did his best.
Speaker 2: He danced around as best he could, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things that they factor in. There's key items
Speaker 2: that are fined by the NCAA rule book, and one
Speaker 2: is leading with the helmet's shoulder, forearm, fist, hand, or
Speaker 2: elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or
Speaker 2: neck area. You can't argue that one also defenseless receiver.
Speaker 2: So there's two opportunities to call a penalty there and
Speaker 2: they chose not to. It's like when the Rams and
Speaker 2: the Saints in a playoff game many many years ago
Speaker 2: in the Superdome, they could have called two different penalties
Speaker 2: and they didn't call either penalty that was targeting. Now,
Speaker 2: I know people are going to say, hey, fourth and thirteen,
Speaker 2: don't let him score touchdown. You're absolutely right, But in
Speaker 2: that moment, I don't care what the time on the
Speaker 2: clock is.
Speaker 4: And people got caught up.
Speaker 2: Well, you can't call it then, Really that receiver is
Speaker 2: knocked out on the field and I can't call.
Speaker 4: It then, I mean, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: It was targeting and even when the rules official for
Speaker 2: the Mothership says, yeah, basically that's uh, we shouldn't even
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on this.
Speaker 4: That's targeting. And it was.
Speaker 2: It was a wonderful game, but that was a call
Speaker 2: that they certainly missed. Also, when Skataboo is lifted up
Speaker 2: by his offensive lineman, you're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was a cool play. You can push,
Speaker 2: you can't pull. So there was a lot that was
Speaker 2: going on there, but still it was I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Even if the game all the Bull games, I'm watching
Speaker 2: them all I watched probably I don't know if there
Speaker 2: was a Bull game that I didn't miss at least
Speaker 2: a portion of. I did my best to watch as
Speaker 2: much as possible there. And uh, it's it's great. We're
Speaker 2: in a new era here and we can pick and
Speaker 2: nitpick and go. Indiana shouldn't been in there. I said
Speaker 2: that before. They didn't play anybody, but they did what
Speaker 2: they were supposed to do. Don't blame Indiana. Lane college
Speaker 2: football system. They're going to rectify it. They'll clean it
Speaker 2: up and it'll be better. They're going to continue to
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Speaker 2: the Lions and the Vikings. We'll talk about that coming
Speaker 2: up in a moment. You are a Texas scran and
Speaker 2: I'm sure you were watching the game yesterday. Can you
Speaker 2: be impartial on the pill? Okay, no, be impartial though.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not doing any pregame shows or working professionally,
Speaker 10: so I know I was a total loud mouth obnoxious
Speaker 10: Texas Longhorn fan. Yesterday watching in my living room, I
Speaker 10: was having a lot of fun. Though certainly it was
Speaker 10: a great game to watch. It really was okay. By
Speaker 10: the rule, was that targeting by the rule, by what
Speaker 10: you see in college football on a weekly basis, and
Speaker 10: the over officiating nature of that play in general. Yes,
Speaker 10: by the rule it is because what there was hit
Speaker 10: to the head. But where it's different and where I'm
Speaker 10: glad they didn't call it is the fact that the
Speaker 10: balls tipped in the air, so there was a little
Speaker 10: reaction to the ball, like oh wait, I'm going up
Speaker 10: and looking at that. Also, he didn't launch, I mean
Speaker 10: he hit him with his face right, It wasn't like
Speaker 10: he was like trying to lower the crown of his
Speaker 10: helmet and do that. I, like you, was surprised they
Speaker 10: didn't call it because it's very TICKI tac with that
Speaker 10: stuff this day and age, whether it's the NFL or
Speaker 10: college But happy they didn't.
Speaker 4: If it was flipped, if it was reversed.
Speaker 10: And I'm always I will say this if you you
Speaker 10: ever watch games with me, I am I am pro defense,
Speaker 10: and that it's so hard with the rules all against them,
Speaker 10: that yeah, if there was the other way around and
Speaker 10: they had a call a drive earlier that, I thought
Speaker 10: they could have called the same thing targeting on them,
Speaker 10: and they didn't, And that's what kind of led me
Speaker 10: to believe they might not do it in that moment.
Speaker 3: They were kind of letting it play as far as
Speaker 3: that's concerned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they did call targeting in the first half
Speaker 2: on an Arizona State player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they did there too. I know, I know,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 9: Listen.
Speaker 3: It's not perfect and some of this stuff is over efficient.
Speaker 10: It drives me crazy every week we've lost, Like especially
Speaker 10: in the NFL, forcible contact to the head, right, I'm
Speaker 10: sick of like two fingers touch a quarterback's head and
Speaker 10: they go, well you hit them in the head. No, No,
Speaker 10: And the language it says forcible, It didn't say like
Speaker 10: ooh I gave him a little love tap or oh
Speaker 10: I kissed them on the ear and we throw penalty.
Speaker 10: And I wish some of this stuff would would stop
Speaker 10: a little bit.
Speaker 4: Do you think Quinne Ewers is Texas quarterback next year? No?
Speaker 3: I do not.
Speaker 4: Do you think he's playing college football next year?
Speaker 10: Yes, I would hope so, because I don't think he's
Speaker 10: a guy that's gonna go in the first two rounds
Speaker 10: of the draft. I think he has like the potential
Speaker 10: to be that kind of guy, But I think he's
Speaker 10: gonna have to show people maybe another year of high
Speaker 10: quality football play and all that. But no, I expect
Speaker 10: arch Manning Era to start after the season's over. And yeah,
Speaker 10: in my heart of hearts, again I have no inside info, Dan,
Speaker 10: I think that Quinn Ewers will be playing somewhere else.
Speaker 10: He is an NFL quarterback. He needs to throw the
Speaker 10: ball with more authority. I think you watch enough football.
Speaker 10: There's too many of these like lays the ball up
Speaker 10: there instead of driving it through the target, which he
Speaker 10: has the ability to do. And of course he can
Speaker 10: work on his athleticism a little bit too as well.
Speaker 10: But yeah, I think it's gonna be somewhere else, Dan.
Speaker 2: All right, let's look at the NFL. Let me start
Speaker 2: with the MVP race. Can anything happened this weekend that
Speaker 2: would change your opinion or should change the opinion of
Speaker 2: the NFL MVP voters.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 10: Like, Okay, as I said here right now, I'm gonna
Speaker 10: say that I'm probably favoring Josh Allen as far as
Speaker 10: the MVP vote, but it's really close. It's crazy because
Speaker 10: last year it was kind of an underwhelming the MVP year.
Speaker 10: It felt like it was given to Lamar out of
Speaker 10: default because he just he had a good year and
Speaker 10: they were dominant, but it wasn't eye popping wow stats.
Speaker 10: This year, we got four guys that got eye popping
Speaker 10: wow stats that are all having MVP caliber years.
Speaker 3: So I leaned Josh.
Speaker 10: Allen because I do believe, yes, Lamar's stats are a
Speaker 10: little bit better. I think Lamar's supporting around him on
Speaker 10: the offensive side of the ball is a little bit
Speaker 10: better as well. But MVP is a little about moments,
Speaker 10: and Josh Allen had a stretch there of moments, whether
Speaker 10: it was the forty nine Ers, the Chiefs, the Rams
Speaker 10: and Who's the other one and the Detroit Lions of
Speaker 10: going that was one of the four incredible, incredible weeks
Speaker 10: in a row and big time plays and big moments,
Speaker 10: and that's where I favor him.
Speaker 3: But man, it's it's tough, Dan, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you looking at this and I always I'm curious
Speaker 2: how people factor in what is their criteria? Is it stats?
Speaker 2: Is it team success? And then stats or stats, then
Speaker 2: team's success and if Joe Burrow, if the Bengals had
Speaker 2: ten wins right now, who's your MVP.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's that's a different Like the Bengals were firmly
Speaker 10: entrenched in the playoffs.
Speaker 9: I probably m I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 10: That'd be a close one. You're making that it would
Speaker 10: be really close. I still think I'd probably go with
Speaker 10: Josh Allen because I just do you know, And then
Speaker 10: all of these guys are worthy of it. But the
Speaker 10: way he's played this year, the decision making, the quality
Speaker 10: of play and clutch moments and all that, I don't
Speaker 10: think anybody has stood above Josh Allen in that department.
Speaker 10: But no doubt like Joe Burrow's year is special, And
Speaker 10: if they were one of the top four seeds, I
Speaker 10: certainly think he'd be in a lot of people's, you know,
Speaker 10: lead as far as the voting.
Speaker 3: And you asked me if anything could change it this weekend.
Speaker 3: I mean, if if.
Speaker 10: Lamar goes out there and throws five touchdowns and has
Speaker 10: an unbelievable statistical day and the Bills and Josh Allen
Speaker 10: are kind of sleep at the wheel, and he throws
Speaker 10: one touchdown and two or three interceptions or whatever that
Speaker 10: that might change my mind. I'm not you know, I
Speaker 10: haven't written it in stone yet. As far as Josh Allen, you.
Speaker 2: Got the Vikings in the line Sunday Night on NBC
Speaker 2: and Peacock.
Speaker 4: The winner gets the number one seed.
Speaker 2: The loser probably on the road against Tampa or Atlanta
Speaker 2: whoever wins that division or the Rams.
Speaker 4: Right, that's harsh. That's harsh to have.
Speaker 2: That many wins and you're gonna have Tampa or Atlanta
Speaker 2: getting in you know, barely five hundred the Rams at
Speaker 2: the Rams, how dangerous they are. I mean, you could
Speaker 2: be you could be one and done here. If the
Speaker 2: Lions or the Vikings.
Speaker 10: Definitely, I mean the Vikings lost to the Rams earlier
Speaker 10: this year in LA definitely, and then either one.
Speaker 3: You know, I still sit here and.
Speaker 10: Tell you that I think the most complete team in
Speaker 10: the NFC is the Philadelphia Eagles. That's who I would
Speaker 10: still take. That's the team I'm gonna take to go
Speaker 10: to the Super Bowl out of the NFC.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 10: But these Vikings and Lions football teams awesome offensively, but
Speaker 10: they're middle of the road defense. So if you if
Speaker 10: they play a team that's got a really good offense.
Speaker 10: The game's gonna be scary, so that that's to your point. Yeah,
Speaker 10: it's big, It really is. It's a huge game. I'm
Speaker 10: excited to see what happens. We know the offenses are
Speaker 10: super explosive. I think home field advantage I think is
Speaker 10: more important to Detroit in my opinion, just because of
Speaker 10: the way the defense has looked as of late. Right,
Speaker 10: the dam is broken, I mean, and you look at
Speaker 10: it and I go, yeah, home field, the crowd noise,
Speaker 10: all that I think will help them a little bit, right,
Speaker 10: because that simplifies an offense, and that place is tough
Speaker 10: to play. You can't go to the line of scrimmage
Speaker 10: with four different plays called in the huddle and do
Speaker 10: all these checks when you're on the road in Detroit,
Speaker 10: So that simplifies things. That's a little advantage they need.
Speaker 10: I think it is more important for them to win
Speaker 10: this game than Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host in Football
Speaker 2: Night in America. They have the big matchup between Detroit
Speaker 2: and Minnesota Sunday Night. Sam Donald's free agency plans. Should
Speaker 2: he have free agency plan? Should the Vikings plan on
Speaker 2: Sam Donald going to free agency.
Speaker 10: Well, they got to make sure they got a plan
Speaker 10: to Okay, what would you do?
Speaker 4: I want yeah, I want you to make the decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I feel like at this moment right now, I would
Speaker 10: not let Sam Donald walk out of the building.
Speaker 3: That would not happen.
Speaker 10: It's just it's too hard to find quarterbacks that are
Speaker 10: good in the NFL.
Speaker 3: You got one. He fits your scheme. You can see he's.
Speaker 10: Got talent and all that. But now do I want
Speaker 10: to commit long term to him yet?
Speaker 9: Nah?
Speaker 3: I don't think I do either. I'd like to see
Speaker 3: one more year.
Speaker 10: We've seen guys have good years, ride the momentum, the
Speaker 10: good vibes of the building, we're playing good, and then
Speaker 10: come back the next year and we go, well, they
Speaker 10: can't seem to recreate that magic. What's going on there?
Speaker 10: Blah blah blah. So I think I'm one that, As
Speaker 10: I said here right now, Dan, I'd probably franchise tag him,
Speaker 10: franchise them, see another year and go, hey, just prove
Speaker 10: to me, and then maybe you get to you know,
Speaker 10: end of next year on the franchise and he plays
Speaker 10: really well again, then you go, Okay, we got our guy.
Speaker 10: Now we can commit to a few more years and
Speaker 10: guaranteed money and do all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be a Kirk Cousins situation when he
Speaker 2: was with Washington. I mean I would, I would franchise
Speaker 2: him one more year. Okay, I want you to answer quickly.
Speaker 2: You can have Sam Darnald for one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: million Brock perty for two hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's not even close. That's not even close.
Speaker 3: Sam Donald all day, all day, all day.
Speaker 10: You know, I'm a forty nine Ers fan, and that's
Speaker 10: my buddy Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3: Certainly, there's no way.
Speaker 10: I would pay anywhere near market value for brock Purty.
Speaker 10: Some of these teams got to stop this, right. I've
Speaker 10: said this about the Miami Dolphins, their highest paid player
Speaker 10: in their football teams, their biggest concern in the big
Speaker 10: game and their biggest injury liability, and whether he's available
Speaker 10: out there. That doesn't make sense. That's bad team building.
Speaker 10: Brock party there's a little of that too, and you
Speaker 10: saw he's not talented enough to carry the football team.
Speaker 10: I would, I would, I would go way below market
Speaker 10: value with brock Purty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but how do you do so? You basically say
Speaker 4: to his agent, We're gonna give you.
Speaker 10: Here's thirty million, sell me out. Who else is gonna
Speaker 10: take thirty five? Thirty million? Who else is gonna I
Speaker 10: would have done the same thing with Miami gun who else?
Speaker 10: In football, these teams are negotiating against themselves. They're like, here's.
Speaker 3: Thirty million, No, you don't like it. Hey, here's thirty five.
Speaker 10: You want more, and they just they keep going up,
Speaker 10: and you're like, well, why nobody else is gonna pay
Speaker 10: him this? So that's what I would say. I would
Speaker 10: I would start. If I'm in the NFL and I
Speaker 10: don't know where it lost its way, it'd be Mahomes
Speaker 10: makes this, and nobody's Mahomes and we're gonna have a
Speaker 10: pecking order below that period. It starts there and we've
Speaker 10: gotten away with this. Oh, the new guy's up. He's
Speaker 10: the new contract, so we gotta pay him more.
Speaker 9: And like, now, you.
Speaker 2: Don't blame the Cleveland Browns what they did with DeShawn Wants.
Speaker 10: The dumbest thing ever, exactly right, the dumbest contract in
Speaker 10: the history of the NFL.
Speaker 3: You're right, that's that's definitely part of it too, Dan,
Speaker 3: no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they had to give him an offer that
Speaker 2: he couldn't refuse because he didn't want to go to Cleveland.
Speaker 10: Well, yes, because they had ruined things already with Baker
Speaker 10: Mayfield and they knew they were in a spot of like,
Speaker 10: oh crap, now we have no quarterback because he doesn't
Speaker 10: want to come here, so we got to pay him that.
Speaker 10: So you're right, I mean, but they did that to
Speaker 10: themselves and how they handled that situation, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when it comes.
Speaker 10: To Brock Purdy or anything like that, Dan, I would go,
Speaker 10: here's what we're offering. Show me who else out there
Speaker 10: is going to offer you that kind of money or
Speaker 10: anything better, because I don't think it's gonna be out there.
Speaker 10: I don't think there's gonna be a market and everybody's
Speaker 10: gonna go, oh, I need Brock Purty as my quarterback.
Speaker 10: Everybody knows good. But he's really good when he's with Shanahan.
Speaker 10: Shanahan's the one driving that boat there. You know, that's
Speaker 10: my opinion.
Speaker 2: At least Okay more dangerous in the postseason if they
Speaker 2: both get in Tampa or the Rams.
Speaker 10: Well the Rams are in right, so, but but you're
Speaker 10: who's more dangerous?
Speaker 8: Mmm?
Speaker 3: I I there.
Speaker 10: I guess I'll still go with the Rams, even though
Speaker 10: I am a little concerned with their offense.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 10: You could see Cooper Cup is not the same guy.
Speaker 10: They have to ride Poka Nakua way too much in
Speaker 10: the passing game, right They need to to at well
Speaker 10: and all these guys to be healthy out there. But
Speaker 10: I'll go with them because of their experience. But man,
Speaker 10: Tampa and their defense is a little better. Tampa's defense
Speaker 10: scares me. But man, that offense in Baker Mayfield, he
Speaker 10: is He's a flame thrower right now, throwing lasers all
Speaker 10: over the field.
Speaker 2: What do you think it's like if you're with the
Speaker 2: pay you know the Patriots are going to have the
Speaker 2: number one pick if they lose. Like, what is the
Speaker 2: mindset of it's best for the organized to lose this game?
Speaker 3: It's hard. It's very hard right there.
Speaker 10: There's it's hard to add as the New York Giants
Speaker 10: last week, right this is these records go on the
Speaker 10: coach's gravestone. He's like, I'm not sure I'm going to
Speaker 10: be back here. What the hell am I gonna tank?
Speaker 10: And for the next regime. I don't give a crap
Speaker 10: about that. Right, Drew Locke is sitting there going, I
Speaker 10: want to play in the NFL and show everybody how
Speaker 10: good I am. I mean, I'm not gonna go out
Speaker 10: here and throw in completion so the team can have
Speaker 10: a better draft pick. It's hard to get the whole
Speaker 10: organization involved in that, and especially when you start the
Speaker 10: rookie franchise. You know, guy of the future at quarterback,
Speaker 10: you certainly want to make him look good and build
Speaker 10: on the future and do all of that as well.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 10: It's a tough one, but I think they'll find a
Speaker 10: way to manage the game in a way where they
Speaker 10: don't win it.
Speaker 2: Well, there's organizational tanking. That's where you put people in
Speaker 2: or you take example out. Hey, we want to look
Speaker 2: at the you know, the future. We want to give
Speaker 2: that guy a chance.
Speaker 3: There, Brown's are doing that right now. They're doing the
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 4: Is their tanking in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Well, I it's not as much or as easy easily
Speaker 3: done as you think. I don't.
Speaker 10: I never felt like I was on a team that
Speaker 10: was a part of it, so I never got an
Speaker 10: inside look or feel for that. But I think that
Speaker 10: with the common the modern era here, I think there's
Speaker 10: there's probably four or five teams every year who try
Speaker 10: to orchestrate it to not put their best foot forward.
Speaker 10: Like I said, he can't totally tank the game, because
Speaker 10: you can't ask guys who are fighting for their careers
Speaker 10: in life to quit and not play football when they're
Speaker 10: not gonna get paid next year if they look like crap.
Speaker 10: But they try to do, like what you said, put
Speaker 10: the least best foot forward there in that department.
Speaker 4: The number one quarterback in college coming out as who.
Speaker 10: Gosh, it's tough right now. I mean cam Ward is
Speaker 10: the one that pops up to me. Of course, Schadur
Speaker 10: is there as well. I was a Jalen Milroe fan,
Speaker 10: but he really he struggled towards the end of the year.
Speaker 10: So I'm a little scared of him.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if he'll even come out now
Speaker 3: after that performance there.
Speaker 10: But I think it's cam Ward uh and Shador I
Speaker 10: think it's but I think I would go cam Ward.
Speaker 10: The other guy I like it. I don't think he's
Speaker 10: gonna come out is the LSU quarterback. No Smier. Now,
Speaker 10: Smyer is an NFL first round type talent, but I
Speaker 10: haven't heard about what's gonna go on with him there yet.
Speaker 4: Great to talk to you, so always.
Speaker 3: Happy, Happy New Year. Thank you, Say hi to guy
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 4: Horns up, horns up? You know it?
Speaker 3: Texas fight.
Speaker 4: Does anybody do horns down.
Speaker 3: To you all the time? I mean the whole NBC building.
Speaker 3: They like to ride me and do horns down.
Speaker 4: Do you get upset? No? No, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4: You don't cry.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get the last laugh this year. Don't worry.
Speaker 10: They're gonna have to deal with my big mouth the
Speaker 10: rest of this year if we can win this thing.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 2: That's Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co host and
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Speaker 2: the Vice Kings on NBC in Peacock.
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Speaker 2: He's been the star of the Bowl season so far.
Speaker 2: Cam Scattaboo, the Arizona State running back and they went
Speaker 2: to double overtime against Texas and uh.
Speaker 4: He joins us now from Atlanta. How do you feel today?
Speaker 11: I'm a little beat up, but you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 11: I'm feeling confident of where I stand as a player,
Speaker 11: and you know, I'm excited for my future and I'm
Speaker 11: super excited that the guys that I played next to
Speaker 11: the whole season have you know, fought and continued to
Speaker 11: fight and you know, never gave a doubt that we
Speaker 11: could win the game.
Speaker 2: What was your feeling early when you guys were down
Speaker 2: double digits.
Speaker 11: You know, I think as a team, as a whole,
Speaker 11: we knew that we were never counted out. And then
Speaker 11: I think early we knew we made a couple of mistakes.
Speaker 11: You know, they scored in two points, they took back
Speaker 11: a kick, they took a took back a punt return,
Speaker 11: didn't really score on offense. So we knew if we
Speaker 11: can you know, stop them on defense and continue to
Speaker 11: you know, push push push and fight on offense, that
Speaker 11: that we were gonna be just fine. Uh Me personally,
Speaker 11: you know, I was a little I was a little
Speaker 11: upset that I wasn't touching the ball as much.
Speaker 3: As I wanted to.
Speaker 11: But you know, obviously not just running the ball, but
Speaker 11: catching the ball out of the backfield, and you know,
Speaker 11: I kind of took a step back and realized at
Speaker 11: halftime what what I needed to do, and it was
Speaker 11: to be a better teammate and you know, keep those
Speaker 11: guys uplifted.
Speaker 12: And uh, I knew that if I did that.
Speaker 11: Then you know, the team confidence will stay high and
Speaker 11: we continue to fight.
Speaker 2: But you were discussing things with coach uh get you
Speaker 2: seem pretty animated on the sidelines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 11: He Uh, We we talked a little bit, you know,
Speaker 11: and I got a little frustrated just where we were
Speaker 11: standing as a team and how we were playing and
Speaker 11: I didn't understand what was going on fully, and you know,
Speaker 11: we talked about it and then I walked over there
Speaker 11: after I was a little upset and you know, let
Speaker 11: him know, Hey, sorry for getting upset, but I got
Speaker 11: you back from here on out. Let's go, you know,
Speaker 11: let's rock. And you know, he he knows that I'll
Speaker 11: always have his back and he trusts the fact that
Speaker 11: I'm gonna keep going even when I'm a little upset.
Speaker 12: But yeah, we had a little discussion, but nothing to major.
Speaker 4: Who do you pattern your game after?
Speaker 11: You know, I like to say myself, there's there's a
Speaker 11: lot of backs that you know, I take bits and
Speaker 11: pieces from obviously Christian McCaffrey's one, you know, doing something
Speaker 11: that hasn't been done in a while since he's done it,
Speaker 11: you know, catching the ball, running the ball. Marshawn Lynch
Speaker 11: is obviously a big factor mark Ingram. You know, I
Speaker 11: talked to him and you know now that I look
Speaker 11: at it more, I took a little bit of my
Speaker 11: game from him, and then Le'Veon Bell was a big
Speaker 11: one too. Just me focusing on working on my patients
Speaker 11: in the way. You know, the slower you the slower
Speaker 11: you play the game, the more you'll see it. So
Speaker 11: that's something I've been you know, focusing on to.
Speaker 2: What's it like though to go into a game knowing
Speaker 2: you're going to get hit. You're going to give punishment,
Speaker 2: but you kind of have to take punishment to give
Speaker 2: your punishment.
Speaker 11: Yeah, going into the game, I understood, you know that
Speaker 11: I was going to have to do a lot and
Speaker 11: I know every game is a brutal battle with me.
Speaker 11: This is the way I run, the physicality I run
Speaker 11: with I know I'm gonna come out, you know, banged up,
Speaker 11: and then I'm hoping that you know, they come out a.
Speaker 12: Little more banged up.
Speaker 11: But you know, I understand my game of football, so
Speaker 11: I'm prepared for it every game. I understand that, you know,
Speaker 11: when I when I run, it's gonna make me not
Speaker 11: feel so good the next day, which I don't feel
Speaker 11: too good. So but yeah, I mean, I'm I'm prepared
Speaker 11: for it all the time.
Speaker 4: Would your dad say to you after the game?
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, he just gave me I love your son,
Speaker 11: proud of you, a little kiss on the cheek, and
Speaker 11: you know, off I went. He's he's a he's more
Speaker 11: of like, I'll call you in the next couple of
Speaker 11: days kind of guy. Make sure you're doing good. But
Speaker 11: he's just proud of me, man. And you know, my
Speaker 11: whole family is proud of me. My mom, you know,
Speaker 11: she's she's super proud of me. And I'm just glad
Speaker 11: I'm able to make them happy.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're famous, the camera is always on you.
Speaker 2: So we got to see you throw up on the
Speaker 2: sidelines there. Uh, but what caused that to happen?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I was drinking a little too much
Speaker 11: water and power raid. You know at the same time
Speaker 11: I was and I think I ate something bad. In
Speaker 11: the morning, I had a croissant breakfast sandwich, and I
Speaker 11: don't think it went down very well. And I wasn't
Speaker 11: feeling too good all the leading up to the game
Speaker 11: and until I threw up. You know, I threw up,
Speaker 11: and I felt like a completely different person. And you know,
Speaker 11: after that throw up, you know, the game switched for
Speaker 11: me and how I was playing it was it was
Speaker 11: completely different from me.
Speaker 12: So it was nice, you know.
Speaker 11: I I looked down, took a deep breath, puked, took
Speaker 11: another deep breath, took another deep breath, and then got
Speaker 11: back on the field and you know, played my game
Speaker 11: of football.
Speaker 2: So you didn't have it all over your uniform, did you,
Speaker 2: like if somebody's tackling you, Like.
Speaker 11: I leaned over, let it all out, and then got
Speaker 11: backed up and put my helmet on.
Speaker 12: I was like, let's go.
Speaker 2: When you saw the non call on the targeting, well,
Speaker 2: first of all, what did you see? I don't know
Speaker 2: what your angle was with that, but the fact that
Speaker 2: it was a no call.
Speaker 12: I mean I was looking right at it.
Speaker 11: I watched him catch the ball, and I watched the
Speaker 11: crown of a helmet goes directly into the chain of
Speaker 11: my teammate, and you know, like coach Dillingham said last night,
Speaker 11: you don't really know what a targeting is anymore. We're
Speaker 11: trying to protect players and some are protected and some aren't,
Speaker 11: no matter who you're playing against.
Speaker 12: I feel like anybody should were protected.
Speaker 11: And I felt that was a little biased, but you
Speaker 11: know it, whatever whatever they call, you know, is what
Speaker 11: we're gonna rock with. And you know, hopefully milk Wan's okay.
Speaker 11: I haven't talked to him yet since after the game
Speaker 11: last night, but hopefully he's okay. He's feeling feeling good
Speaker 11: in the high spirits.
Speaker 4: Did Steve Sarkisian track you down after the game?
Speaker 11: No, you know, a couple of their offensive linemen tracked
Speaker 11: me down, you know, said you're you're hell hell of
Speaker 11: running back, and Arch Manning came over and said what's up,
Speaker 11: you know, and tried to lift my spirit up a
Speaker 11: little bit. But I just walked off the field, you know,
Speaker 11: I was. I was heartbroken with all the all the
Speaker 11: work that I put in that we felt just that
Speaker 11: that little short and uh, you know, I I didn't
Speaker 11: I wouldn't say I rushed off the field, but I
Speaker 11: got off it pretty quick just because I was, you know,
Speaker 11: I was I was a little stressed.
Speaker 4: What is the play call with the halfback option?
Speaker 12: Are you talking about? Where I ran and then through it?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 4: Yeah? What's it called in the huddle?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 12: Philly Special?
Speaker 11: Oh so it was actually supposed to be a throwback
Speaker 11: to the quarterback and I checked. I checked my receiver
Speaker 11: to a to a fade ball and I've seen him
Speaker 11: went inside, so I know, I.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait a minute, that that kind of big time
Speaker 2: stuff here, like.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So so Sam told me. Sam told me to
Speaker 11: drive before you know, somebody rolled up my inkle. I
Speaker 11: can't really run, so you're gonna have to make something happen.
Speaker 11: And I was like, all right, well let's go. And
Speaker 11: then the Philly the Philly Special was called, and you know,
Speaker 11: I I looked at my receiver and it was one
Speaker 11: on one out there. When I knew as soon as
Speaker 11: I caught the ball from the toss that that safety
Speaker 11: was going to come flying down because he was flying
Speaker 11: down all game. And uh, as soon as I seen
Speaker 11: that guy one on one, I knew we had the
Speaker 11: better athlete. And that receiver, you know, he hasn't played
Speaker 11: all season, but I knew what he was about. And
Speaker 11: as soon as I seen him went inside. I knew
Speaker 11: I had to put it inside of him. It was
Speaker 11: a little underthrown, but I guess I put it in
Speaker 11: a spot where only he could get it.
Speaker 4: So could you give me fifteen carries? Today?
Speaker 11: I probably got three carries in it, three two yard carries.
Speaker 2: Have you been told anything about the NFL Draft as
Speaker 2: far as what the scouts think of you?
Speaker 11: You know, I'm talking a little bit, but you know
Speaker 11: I'm I'm not too worried about where I stand, hopefully
Speaker 11: in a good position. I haven't had anybody really reach
Speaker 11: out as much as talking about where I.
Speaker 12: Stand or you know, rounds and stuff like that.
Speaker 11: But you know, I have my agent that's working hard
Speaker 11: to you know, help me out and give me in
Speaker 11: a good position.
Speaker 2: So well, congrats, you got a lot to be proud
Speaker 2: of Arizona State on the football map. And it's been
Speaker 2: a while since when we've been able to say that,
Speaker 2: and you took Texas into a couple overtimes, and certainly
Speaker 2: congratulations on the season that you had.
Speaker 4: Cam.
Speaker 12: Thank you, I appreciate it.