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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Bessie's today on the bright Side, the first female

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Speaker 2: Double O seven is here with us today.

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Speaker 3: Lashana Lynch made history as the first black female agent

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Speaker 3: her newest project, The Day of the Jackal, plus how

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Speaker 3: she's preparing for her biggest role yet, becoming a mother.

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Speaker 3: It's Tuesday, January twenty first, I'm Simone.

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Speaker 1: Boyce, I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side

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Speaker 1: from Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to our guests today. Lashawna

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Speaker 1: Lynch is a force. And I don't use that word lightly, okay,

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Speaker 1: Like you know how everybody uses the word iconic. I

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Speaker 1: don't usually describe people as iconic because I don't love hyperbole.

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Speaker 1: So when I use it, I mean it. Lashawna's talent

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Speaker 1: and presence has really made her a standout in the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry As an actor. Her breakout role was as

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Speaker 1: Maria Rambo in the blockbuster film Captain, and then you

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Speaker 1: may have seen her starring alongside Viola Davis in the

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Speaker 1: critically acclaimed movie The Woman King. And she made history

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Speaker 1: as the first black female Double seven agent in the

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Speaker 1: James Bond movie No Time to Die. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: such a beloved movie franchise, and at the same time,

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Speaker 1: there has just been this like stick in the mudness

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Speaker 1: has just totally shaken up the franchise and redefined what

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Speaker 1: to see it.

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Speaker 3: Lashawna is one of those actors that I will just

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Speaker 3: I will always watch anything that Lashawna is in because

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Speaker 3: she's just that good. And in her latest role, Lashawna

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Speaker 3: is starring alongside Oscar winner Eddie Redmain in Peacock's The

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Speaker 3: Day of the Jackal. And in this series, Lashanna plays Bianca,

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Speaker 3: a young mom wife and also am I six agent,

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Speaker 3: something that we are really excited to talk to her

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Speaker 3: about today. We know that Lashawna fought very hard to

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Speaker 3: become a co executive producer on this show On the

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Speaker 3: Day at the Jackals, so that she could contribute her

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Speaker 3: aren't working in Hollywood day in and day out, some

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Speaker 3: of these words can kind of, you know, get lost.

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Speaker 3: But Essentially, it's it is becoming increasingly more important for

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Speaker 3: so that we can just get stories that are fully

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, I feel like we know a

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious to get to know the woman behind

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Speaker 1: all these amazing roles. So she's here with us now, Lashanna,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the bright Side.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Lashana Lynch, you're doing this interview while nine months pregnant.

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Speaker 2: I am so rest Thanks.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know what I'm trying to like, there's

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Speaker 4: So thank you for the acknowledgement. I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: I also remember being pregnant for the first time. It

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've been doing that for years. On

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Speaker 4: But what is just kind of like a byproduct of

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Speaker 1: Something you just said struck me. You said women have

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Speaker 1: I'm also wondering now that you say that mind body spirit,

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Speaker 1: Do you think acting made you're really aware of your

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Speaker 4: It had to. I do not know where anyone else's processes.

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Speaker 4: Mind changes every single project, and I feel like I've

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Speaker 4: And I'm at a different point in my life and

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Speaker 4: I don't believe that things come for no reason. Everything

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Speaker 4: nothing's by chance, and everything's aligned. And every project that

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Speaker 4: I've been a part of has grown me as an

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Speaker 4: artist in a way that has like helped me meet

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Speaker 4: I think for a long time, at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: Has there been a character that has made you lashauna

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Speaker 4: There's a few for different reasons. Because some roles are

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Speaker 4: quite comforting, Like you mentioned one love earlier and read

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Speaker 4: If it wasn't, I don't know. I mean, my parents would,

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Speaker 4: You know, all we knew, Yeah, we definitely knew, We

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Speaker 4: And I don't REGARDLF as any of those things, but

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Speaker 4: We have been flow between I'm anxious today, I'm confident tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: with more from Lashana Lynch. And we're back with Lashana Lynch. Lashawna.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody in America listening can hear your beautiful accent.

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Speaker 1: You grew up in West London, and I'm wondering if

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Speaker 1: we knew Lashaana was going to be a famous actress,

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Speaker 1: Like were you destined for this or what were you

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Speaker 4: One? Thank you for shouting out West London, because it's

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Speaker 4: just I'm so passionate about where I'm from. A so

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Speaker 4: thank you twofold because I thought I was really confident

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Speaker 1: Well, Lashanna, I feel like congratulations are in order for

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Speaker 1: you because your latest show, The Day of the Jackal,

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Speaker 1: so interested to learn that you fought to become a

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Speaker 4: Been fighting for it for a long time, and it

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Speaker 4: doesn't just come out of nowhere for someone like me anyway,

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Speaker 4: who has an interest in the whole sphere of creativity.

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Speaker 4: I always say that everyone knows me as an actor

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Speaker 4: had so much more to explore and so much more

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Speaker 4: don't like repeating myself, and I don't like shoehorning anything

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Speaker 4: that shouldn't be in a production or the creative space

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Speaker 4: that I'm in. And I saw here that on paper,

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Speaker 4: there was a character that had everything that I needed

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Speaker 2: I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Lishana, I have some espionage questions for you, because

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Speaker 4: My intrusive thought was, yeah, just like took down five

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Speaker 2: That's what that's what we want to do. We don't

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Speaker 4: me everything. People will always tell you the things. Just

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Speaker 3: I would love to hang out with some spies and

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've been like that for a long time.

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Speaker 4: I've just found my way to what it is through

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Speaker 3: I think what your teacher was picking up on was

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Speaker 3: We've got to take a short break, but don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back with Lashana Lynch. And we're back

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Speaker 3: with Lashana Lynch. Well, I, for one, have I think

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Speaker 4: It probably started exactly where you know you just said

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Speaker 4: It just literally hit me one Sunday, I think it

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Speaker 3: Do you feel pressured to get back on it from

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Speaker 2: Nope, No, that's amazing. I know.

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Speaker 4: I'm really lucky. I've got a credible team. I think

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Speaker 4: when it landed in me, I called my manager and

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Speaker 4: she was like, oh, then bye, Like then we say

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Speaker 4: goodbye and that's it. Publish the same thing. Like I

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Speaker 4: just to feel like I've managed to bring people around

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Speaker 4: me who really know where I sit authentically. And something

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Speaker 4: doesn't feel right, then it's we'll find another way. There's

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Speaker 4: always another way to market in the way that social

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Speaker 4: media does not going to look the same, and you

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Speaker 4: have to work hard around sure, because if you think

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Speaker 4: back twenty years ago, we'd be like, I wonder what

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Speaker 4: this person's up to. I wonder what project they're releasing next. Ooh,

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Speaker 4: there's such a chameleon. It's really nice to see someone

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Speaker 4: in one thing and then in another and be like, Wow,

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Speaker 4: what a stark difference. Instead of in between the stark differences,

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Speaker 4: you've seen their favorite milkshake and a tree that they like,

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Speaker 4: could some new shoes, And I think on the surface,

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Speaker 4: you're like, oh, that's really nice. I get to know

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Speaker 4: them a little bit more and get more context for

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Speaker 4: the artists that they are. But when I think about

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Speaker 4: it from my perspective, I'm like, I can't be on

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Speaker 4: holiday and be like, well, let's stop the car. I

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Speaker 4: need to take a picture of this hill so that

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Speaker 4: people know that I exist.

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Speaker 2: Lashana.

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Speaker 3: To round out our conversation today, I wanted to bring

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Speaker 3: up something Actress Sidney Sweeney recently said about being a

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Speaker 3: young woman in Hollywood right now. She said that the

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Speaker 3: whole female empowerment narrative in Hollywood is from her perspective,

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Speaker 3: She said that basically, outside of the performative soundbites and interviews,

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Speaker 3: women don't really have each other's back. Has that been

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Speaker 3: your experience or have you seen something different?

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Speaker 4: That's a really powerful statement to make from her experience.

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Speaker 4: I feel like it depends on your definition of female empowerment,

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Speaker 4: and female empowerment has become a label for these very

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Speaker 4: boxed in things that have nothing to do with what

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Speaker 4: actual female empowerment is. Female empowerment is a feeling. It

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Speaker 4: is talking, It is feeling open and authentic and conversation

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Speaker 4: and support. It's all of those things and more. But

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Speaker 4: also it could be none of those things. And I

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Speaker 4: really respect the experiences of some women in the industry

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Speaker 4: who see other women not supporting them, because I've seen

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Speaker 4: it from afar definitely, And you feel it in friendships,

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Speaker 4: you feel it in colleagues, you feel it in all

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Speaker 4: sorts of people in your life. Maybe you're not seeing

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Speaker 4: me for who I am, or maybe I have a

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Speaker 4: responsibility to be more honest or be will open or

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Speaker 4: not share so much, or whatever it shall be in

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Speaker 4: your journey. But everyone is just trying, I think, and

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Speaker 4: some people struggle with it, and some people have gotten

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Speaker 4: there ready, and some people are judging people for being

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Speaker 4: too to life, and some of it is an injustice,

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Speaker 4: some of it is sweet. I just think it's a

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Speaker 4: male important experiences that maybe we need to find another

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Speaker 4: label for, because society is definitely going to give us

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Speaker 4: a label. That's one thing we can rely to. Sad,

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Speaker 4: your roles are so incredibly varied.

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Speaker 1: You've played action pack blockbusters, You've been in intimate dramas.

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Speaker 1: What type of role are you still itching to explore?

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Speaker 4: The first thing that comes to mind is the vixen.

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Speaker 4: I want to play some kind of like, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: deranged vixen, Like someone who's like doesn't quite have it

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Speaker 4: together in like the worst way, like dangerous, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what, you like?

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Speaker 4: Don't talk to her, yeah, because she's she's not okay,

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Speaker 4: and believe her, she's not gonna be okay. That's all right.

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Speaker 4: Just let her do a think.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can do anything, you can literally do anything,

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Speaker 3: and I'll be there poping my popcorn watching you.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm thank you, Thank you so much for sharing

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Speaker 1: your time with us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. That was wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Lashana Lynch is an actress, producer and the star of

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Speaker 1: the Day of the Jackal. You can watch all episodes

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Speaker 1: on peacock.

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Speaker 2: Now. That's it for today's show. Tomorrow. What's well this Wednesday?

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