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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,

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Speaker 1: the very unprofessional podcast whereby we talk through some of

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Speaker 1: the big changes and transitions of our twenties and what

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Speaker 1: they mean for our psychology. Today is an exciting episode

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Speaker 1: because it's our fourth installment of our Let's Get Friendly

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Speaker 1: series where I bring on a special guest, someone who's

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Speaker 1: experiences in their twenties, what they've been, what they've learned

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Speaker 1: so far, big changes and transitions before and after, moment, strength, weaknesses, goals,

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Speaker 1: all of the above. And today I'm bringing on a

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Speaker 1: very special guest, one of our co writers. Actually, he

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Speaker 1: helps out with heaps of my episodes and I draw

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Speaker 1: a lot of inspiration from him. He's an amazing friend.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're welcoming Jack today. I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: enjoy the episode. Everyone. This is Jack. Hey, guys, Hey,

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Speaker 1: and gals and gals, Yeah, come on, none of that

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Speaker 1: in here. I'm a bit nervous audience. This is actually

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Speaker 1: this is my first podcasts. It's interesting being on one

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Speaker 1: because I listened to them a lot, and so just

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Speaker 1: navigating this new territory at yeah yeah, really, culture for

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Speaker 1: anyone listening. Yeah, see, see and this and this is

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Speaker 1: what I'm nervous about. I'm nervous about me, me saying

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Speaker 1: So but yeah, no, that's me. I listened to podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's the whole identity. I could believe about

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Speaker 1: anything that makes me sound like arrogant, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think i'll have to. I'm just not. Yeah. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: beyond the candid, I'll be brutal. This is going to

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Speaker 1: be like one of those really intense interviews that they

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Speaker 1: do on like the New York Times. Yeah, sounds good.

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Speaker 1: That's the tough questions. Yeah. Oh, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: if we have any of those appropriate interview They aren't,

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Speaker 1: they aren't. Yeah. Good, I'm good. I'm good. I'm still

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Speaker 1: warming up to it. I'm still wearing your podcast. Your

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Speaker 1: podcast generally is see you know it's a hard time. Yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 1: to be there anymore. No, No, you make a fair point.

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Speaker 1: You make a fair point. So no, but thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you for making this special for me. You're welcome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, I'll be gentle. I promise. Also,

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Speaker 1: if you get are in the background, she's making me dinner.

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Speaker 1: That's my house. Sounds good, the show sounds good. She's

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Speaker 1: cooking up the storm. So yeah, a bit of a

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Speaker 1: that was a bit of a segue. We just had

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Speaker 1: a bit of a yarn. But yeah, I want to

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Speaker 1: say thanks for coming on the show, Thanks for having me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's one of my guests. I feel like we've been

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Speaker 1: ages ages all four years, I guess now. Yeah, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it is weird. Yeah, you know, I was

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Speaker 1: thinking this the other day. We've known each other, well,

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Speaker 1: I've known you my entire adult life. True, true, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: people listening audibly, which is everyone. Um, I'm a big

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Speaker 1: I'm a big walker when I talk. So I'm walking

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. But no, that's that's interesting, right because I

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Speaker 1: I guess I I guess I met you rude before

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Speaker 1: The first time I met you was like second day

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Speaker 1: But um, but my first impression of you. I remember

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Speaker 1: go back there. I still remember how to get there.

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Speaker 1: And like then we found this really cool like dug

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Speaker 1: like when he comes up here, like yeah, when it

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Speaker 1: then we found the gut tire and we Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was really it was great. Yeah, we're piecing together like

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Speaker 1: little clues were wide and narrative, and we were creating

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Speaker 1: little characters out of these clues, which was I think

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Speaker 1: sounds pretty dorky. It was fun. What were their names again, Oh,

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Speaker 1: Bevon and Devon and I think yeah that's true. Oh

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Speaker 1: god classic. It was like back Mountain but in broke

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Speaker 1: back story. Yeah, literally a camera love story. That was

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Speaker 1: That was a good memory we did find. And then

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Speaker 1: we had a little meditation as well. Yeah, yeah, no

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Speaker 1: that was nice. That was actually was not Yeah no,

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Speaker 1: so gems, gems, Um, I think you've been getting you

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Speaker 1: to meditation recently, haven't you. Yeah, is this a new thing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a new thing. It's like I guess

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later. We can talk about it now.

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Speaker 1: I just find it, like I think Lockdown's very stressful

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Speaker 1: and like I was finding it hard to like stay present. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, so it's like I do like three of

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Speaker 1: these a night and they're so good. It's The app

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Speaker 1: I guess it's a way of like communicating that, and

421
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: by communicating it, you get back in touch with your

422
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: inner child and what hurt them and like kind of them.

423
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like it it sounds sorry, you

424
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: go no, No, you go ahead. I was just gonna

425
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: ask it sounds is it kind of seen through like

426
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: a trauma or suffering lens at least? Or is it

427
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: a lot wider than that. No, that's actually a really

428
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: good question. I haven't actually thought about that. I did often.

429
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: I think it's more of like a deprivation lens and

430
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: like a caregiving lens of like what didn't you receive,

431
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: like getting back in touch with like basic intuition and

432
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: instincts as well. And I think that's exactly what you're describing.

433
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: It's like you've learned how to like be creative, and

434
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: I think creativity is so much associated with having fun

435
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: and it's about play and especially some of the other

436
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: things you're doing. Like, oh, Jack, I love you so much.

437
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: I just think that you've flourished so much. I've had

438
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: I've had one glass of wine, but I'm there here,

439
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: Like you've just flourished so much into more of your

440
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: because you always were creative, always do you always have

441
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: been in many ways, and I think that you've really

442
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: flourished into that recently because you've tapped into your intuition

443
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: and what feels good and for you. It's like you

444
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: you've produced so many cool things this last year yea

445
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: d Yeah, but like a psychologist would argue that, like

446
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: you've kind of shed the boundaries of what you thought

447
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: you wanted to be, you know when we first entered UNI. Yeah,

448
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: you're really you're really set on being a politician. Yeah,

449
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: and I still think you'd be excellent at that, but

450
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: like you would be amazing. And you had this upbringing

451
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: of growing up in north West North Beaches, Northern Beaches,

452
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, like nor Sydney Yeah yeah, Sydney Boys School.

453
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: It's like there's a lot of structure around that and

454
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: you've been able to break out of it. So like

455
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: what do you think you're process because I just remember

456
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,239
Speaker 1: like when I would you could always be manifesting these

457
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: political aspirations and now you're just doing such a more

458
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: creative path of acting. Yeah, journalism, So what do you

459
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: think kind of allowed you to tap into that? Can

460
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: you notice like a point where that became more present

461
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: in your life? Yeah? No, no, that's really interesting. Um.

462
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: I guess to touch on the point of like, how

463
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: how we've changed since since first year, because do you

464
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: remember when like it was like two or three weeks

465
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: ago we're reading the journal entries from our first yourselves? Yeah, um,

466
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: but yeah I was. I was astounded by how how

467
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: different I was to the point where you know, I

468
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: thought I was a bit of a douche. Maybe I

469
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: was still and we'll think I am in ten years,

470
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think, but no, but no, But I

471
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: guess back to the question, I think the biggest thing

472
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: for me was I think it was it was kind

473
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: of happening towards the end of the last year. I

474
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: went through a bit of a breakup, and I I

475
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: was quite upset with life in general and quite depressed.

476
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a morbid entry into the creative world.

477
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: But it was for me. It was like I was

478
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: feeling quite bad on a daily basis, and the saving

479
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: grace for me, the kind of thought that I really

480
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: touched myself too in that time was that if I

481
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: can write about how I'm feeling, why I'm feeling it,

482
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: and I can give a very honest exposition of my

483
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: inner world right now, even though it sucks, then that

484
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: kind of gives up this part of my life a

485
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: bit of meaning. And so it was I kind of

486
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: started doing doing free form, like just random stream of consciousness.

487
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: It was called morning Pages. It's a little technique from

488
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: that another podcaster Enjoys and Harris Tim Ferris, I know,

489
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: I know so, but um but no bit. And the

490
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: technique is you wake up in the morning and you

491
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: you just free form right for about something like ten

492
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: minutes and you just get every single thing in your

493
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: brain out um. And then when you did that, usually

494
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: wanted to write a lot more um and And I

495
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: don't know it just it provided me a heaps of comfort,

496
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: and I started to over time develop a little bit

497
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: of a passion for that form of expression, and that

498
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: extended into you know, me wanting to write a bit

499
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: of the screenplay, do a bit of acting. Um, and

500
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: I guess journalism as well, and to kind of express

501
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: something bigger than myself through that. Wow, anyway, hooked the

502
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: ramble ramble too much. Yeah, that's like I didn't even

503
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: know that about you. That I didn't know that you

504
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: were doing that. Maybe you told me and I just

505
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: wasn't listening, But yeah, I don't. I don't think I

506
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: taught many people. I don't think it really taught many people.

507
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, well that's incredible. But I feel like that's

508
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: such a good thing. I think also, like where you

509
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: were staying, like you came from a point of paying

510
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: Like all great artists kind of have pain, you know,

511
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: no one, even happy stories have a deeper meaning or

512
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: have some kind of contrast to them that is painful

513
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: to do a suffering So I feel like it actually

514
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: probably was the perfect time for you. Um. I remember

515
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: we tried to give painting a go, but yeah, yeah,

516
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: but that was around the time I was getting into

517
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: creative things. Yeah, and I think you suggested should we

518
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: do some painting? M Yeah, that was hilarious. No, because

519
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: you sat across from me, and you you kind of

520
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: sat there and and just made this beautiful like landscape

521
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: piece or from memory ocean, you know, sun um shaw.

522
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: It was. It was this lovely little beach. It wasn't

523
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: even a beach, just like a shoreline. Um. And then

524
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: I just did little scribbles and they ended up looking

525
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: like a preschool preschool art um not exaggerating, right, it

526
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: looked terrible. I'm just gonna say, I love you so much, Jack,

527
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: and you're going to make dearest friends. But it was

528
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: a piece of shit. It was yeah, yeah, it literally

529
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: it was like I think it was angle. I just

530
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: didn't make it. Yeah, it just didn't make sense. But

531
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: you tapped into what here's the thing though, this is

532
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: the lesson. You tapped into what was your creative method

533
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: or avenue or I don't know what it's called, your

534
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: discipline of creativity. I'm sure the world will come to me.

535
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: But it's funny you mentioned the journal entries because I

536
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: think we're both huge journalists. And I'm just gonna say

537
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: we were to the other night for the audience. We

538
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: were I don't know why were we doing this one

539
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: FaceTime with Meg friend of the show, Yeah, and a

540
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: good friend of the show actually, and we were we

541
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: somehow ended up reading our journal entries from like when

542
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: we were eighteen, and it is really insane to see

543
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: how much you have grown as a person, because I

544
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: think back then you will really focus just on I

545
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: hope you don't mind me saying this, but like having

546
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: the life, like being in a relationship, having a good job,

547
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: being physically fit. And I'm not saying you don't care

548
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: about all those things now, but I think now the

549
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: metrics of how you weigh your success as an individual

550
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: or how you doing your worth is more to do

551
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: with things that like individually satisfying and tap until like

552
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: we've been saying, like that free flowing kind of creative spirit.

553
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Whereas some of them, I remember what both of our

554
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: general entries were pretty embarrassing. Let's be honest, Like, yeah,

555
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: some of the ones I read, No, that's very that's

556
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: very cunny to say. I think that's very Yeah, that's

557
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: a really nice, nice way to put it. But no, yeah,

558
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean even yours as well. I felt both very different. Um,

559
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: I think you've I think you've kept the same expressive

560
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: part of yourself really alive from then. Um, but yeah,

561
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: this is such a different time, wasn't it. Yeah, Well,

562
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: it's funny to see how we've it was really I

563
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: think I think we were both found it very profound. Yeah,

564
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: and I would so recommend like that technique. I'm Tim

565
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: Ferris's firstly to excellent advice in the bedroom, Like remember

566
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: you're telling me about that thing. Um, I think that

567
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: that's really good advice. Like that's an incredible technique. Not

568
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: to steal his idea, but like in terms of talking

569
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: about psychology, like just to go back to your to

570
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: your point, like the idea of journaling all of your feelings,

571
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: everything that's in your head. It is almost a form

572
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: of meditation itself. Did you find that that it was

573
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: meditative or yeah? Absolutely, no, absolutely, I think I think, Um,

574
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: I think the way he puts it is you you

575
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: let the monkey brain out for like ten solid minutes, um.

576
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: And I think when he says to the monkey brain,

577
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: he he's articulating the kind of messy, um, fast paced

578
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: energy of a stressed mind. And it's kind of like

579
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: the constant anxieties and worries and just just just thoughts.

580
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, I find at least when

581
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: you kind of let those flight gates open, everything is

582
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: kind of out there on a page. So you, You're

583
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: provided with a lot more clarity for the rest of

584
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: the day. And yeah, I guess it was meditative. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

585
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: I've got it all. I've got it all. Yeah, I

586
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: have to. I don't know if this is like a

587
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: good question. I'm just really interested just for like our friends,

588
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: But like, at what point do you think you kind

589
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: of turned to being more fiction fiction based than nonfiction,

590
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: Like I'm guessing at the start you were talking about

591
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: your feelings had to run the breakup and other things

592
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: that were going on in your life. When you feel

593
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: that it turned to something a bit more expressive or

594
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: a bit more abstract or not so much based in reality,

595
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: how do you mean that? Sorry, Like, you know, you've

596
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: been really into the creative writing and creative expression, like, oh,

597
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: the before lockdown, so I jack it was. I don't

598
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: sure if you're still in the process of auditioning for

599
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: acting school. Yes, ye, which I fully support. By the way,

600
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: I want to have a thank you. Yeah. Well, I

601
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: think after friends are not rich, so you'll be buying

602
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: me dinner. Oh my god, it's gonna be like we're

603
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: gonna have dude, We're gonna have so much creative input

604
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: next year like just the struggling like creative like journey,

605
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: and then like the corporate sell out like yeah, yeah, no,

606
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be very interesting, Like you could

607
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: write a show about that. In fact, I could run

608
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: another screenplay about my life esque like yes, yeah, yeah,

609
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: and then we and then we make it to the

610
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: Hollywood by you know, sending around the screenplay and applying

611
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: applying for I think that's great. I fucking hope on

612
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: your day. No, absolutely, no, No, it was a friend,

613
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, no, no, no, for sure, for sure.

614
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: But I think I think if you'd be a really

615
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: good person to show, you know, to bring into that

616
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: world with, I think it'd be cool. You'd have you

617
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: have some very cool insight and support. Um no, yeah, no,

618
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: backing school. Yeah. So I will be a playing for it,

619
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: but I think slim chance of getting in if I

620
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: get in, which is very slim. I don't. I don't

621
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: think I'm too keen on it, but I think it's

622
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: good to keep the options open. Yeah, why why he

623
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: was keen on it as you previously were. I just

624
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't think it's the right

625
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: thing for me now. I think at the moment with work,

626
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm obviously working in politics, there's a certain element

627
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: of like you have your finger on the pulse um

628
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: and you'll have very good accents to information through people

629
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: in certain periods of time, and when you step away

630
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: from that for a while, it kind of dissipates. And

631
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm just enjoying the world too much to kind of

632
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: shut down the opportunity too early. Wow, if that makes sense. Yeah,

633
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: So what do you think it's changed? Because I feel

634
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: like we were doing we were practicing intense monologue, Like

635
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: I just think you're bloody talented, Like we did this one.

636
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: I remember we were going through all the monologues that

637
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: you could possibly audition with, and there was that one

638
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: that we did. You remember what the name was. Yeah, No,

639
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: it was I can't remember the name, but I remember

640
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: how it went. It was pretty intense. Yeah, And so

641
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I think back then you were really keen on it.

642
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: Do you think that, like, why were you so keen

643
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: on acting and back and then do you think it

644
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: was like something that you felt was unfulfilled And now

645
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: that you've kind of things have changed, do you realize

646
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: that actually, yeah, there's other stuff that's out there. Do

647
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: you think it was yaking with such a drastic change,

648
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: or like, what do you think it was? Yeah, no, no,

649
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: I'll give I'll kind of step back a bit and

650
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: give it a maybe convoluted answer, but I hope it

651
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: provides me to clarity it for me. For me, it's

652
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: like the way I've seeing my my brain kind of

653
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: work across the last year, particularly around these care ambitions

654
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: and taking risks. There's kind of two sides that I

655
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: see myself wrestling with. There's there's a very idealistic side

656
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: that UM gives gives me a lot of credit to

657
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: be successful. So for example, in the acting domain, when

658
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm kind of standing and looking down the career path,

659
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: my idealistic brain will be like this, this is something

660
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: that makes you very happy when you do it, which

661
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: which is which is actually quite true and not very idealistic,

662
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: but it's the idea that if you if you in

663
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: this industry, then you will be very successful UM, and

664
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: a certain certainty in that UM. And then a more

665
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: I guess critical or realistic side of the brain, which

666
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: I guess takes that with the reality is that it

667
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: comes with in that Okay, you think you're gonna be

668
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: very successful. Every person who goes into it will be, um,

669
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: only only one percent really are. So in terms of

670
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: weighing how I want to spend the next how all

671
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: my life to look like, you know, threes and acting

672
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: school and then you know, maybe maybe getting a few

673
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: great jobs that I love, but not having a lot

674
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: of financial stability and regretting not taking a more stable

675
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: career path would be the one I don't enjoy as

676
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: much that that's that's the realization I came too. Yeah, no,

677
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. Does that make sense?

678
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: Let me let me know if it's to be convoluted. No, no,

679
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: it made perfect sense. And I think that, like it's

680
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: actually really interesting hearing that about you as a friend

681
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, I didn't understand. That's like how

682
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: your brain was kind of working in terms of like

683
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: you kind of having to weigh up. And I guess

684
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: this is something that we deal with a lot in

685
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: our twenties, is like, do take the road of passion

686
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, the one which you believe you'll feel fulfilled

687
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: but perhaps not stable. Yeah, exactly. Everyone listening to this

688
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: can relate. You know, we all have these aspirations of

689
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: living in a van or being an artist or being

690
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: a musician, or doing something that's against the against kind

691
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: of the stream of life life, but then having to

692
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: handle those practical limitations of oh I need to eat

693
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, you know, how much is this struggle

694
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: really going to be worth for a few moments of

695
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: like not even glory bit of satisfaction. Yeah. So it's

696
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: kind of like you've done that equate. It's taking you

697
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: a few months, I guess, but you've done that that

698
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: equation in your own time. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I

699
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of Yeah, it's it's it's interesting

700
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: as well because when you when you're wearing it up,

701
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of emphasis on the individual

702
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: in our culture, and there's a lot like the obsession

703
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: with personalities and that sort of thing makes you inclined

704
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: to believe that you know, you are the you are

705
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: the one that won't make it, and that sort of thing. Um,

706
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, I think it's I think it's worth,

707
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, at least wrestling with that with some potential realities.

708
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Um yeah, would you call it delusional? Would you call

709
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: it delusional? Though? Because I feel like, hmm, yeah, it's no,

710
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: that's interesting that's interesting. I think I think I would

711
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: call it slightly delusional. But the weirdest thing about it

712
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: is that if you don't have that, I don't think

713
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: you'll ever be successful in that field. Yeah, like you

714
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: really you need to have that conviction. Maybe don't. I don't,

715
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: but at least the people, the people I've listened to

716
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: who you know, and watching interviews with that that have

717
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: done on that, the underlying thing is there is that conviction.

718
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: So I think I think it may be slightly delusional,

719
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean it's a it's a bad thing

720
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: as long as you're willing to take the potential costs

721
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: of you know, not being that successful. Yeah, we really

722
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: are people, Yeah it is. Yeah, he's a cursed So

723
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: I have to ask because I feel like we're both

724
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: kind of at this stage where we have this like

725
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: two road diverged situation. Yes, yeah, where I was like,

726
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: we've got the corporate option, the stable option, the career

727
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: progression house at thirty marriage at thirty five kind of option,

728
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: and then we both have I think this is why

729
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: we really connect as friends, is because then we both

730
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: have these like very strong creative desires. Yeah, that seem

731
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: like possibilities, And I wonder, you know, in ten years

732
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: time if regardless which path, do you think you would

733
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: be happier on, Like, do you think that you would? Yeah? Yeah,

734
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: like all things considered. Do you think you would be

735
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: happier as a successful actor, happier you know, regardless of

736
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: of the stuff, the struggle that you've had to go

737
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: you've had to go through. Or do you think you're

738
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: going to be happier as someone who is working in politics?

739
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure very successful. Have you thought about that about it?

740
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: But what do you think? Yeah? Yeah, no, absolutely absolutely. UM.

741
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: I think it's like you're right when you're when you're

742
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: stepping out of university and looking at getting what I

743
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: guess the first job in your career is going to be.

744
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: It can be two paths, um. I think for me.

745
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know how this resonates with you, because

746
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: because by the way, Jenner's an absolutely incredible painter, um

747
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: and also a really good writer, But you haven't written

748
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: as much lately as you usually do. UM like very

749
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: good writer, m very very good. UM. And yeah, at

750
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: least for me, the I I because that's I think

751
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: I started to the reason I was wearying on acting

752
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: was because I did see it as a bit of

753
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: a fork and that you know, if I didn't get

754
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: into it now, then I never will. UM. The thing

755
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: that really did it for me I really long conversation

756
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: with my dad about you know this and what what

757
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: um and weighing up my choices and how it would

758
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: reflect And the best thing he said a bit he

759
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: said to me was you know, just because you say

760
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: no now, it doesn't mean the opportunity closed forever, which

761
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: which sounds really basic. The kind of the way he

762
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: framed it was that you can go off and have

763
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: the current conventional career that you you know, might also

764
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: quite enjoy and do the things creatively that you do

765
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: you like, so you know, write, act whatever in your

766
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: free time. UM, And there'll always be opportunities down the

767
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: line to further explore that, particularly if you've been to

768
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, building it up in the background, if that

769
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: makes sense. So I sounded it like a sellout, But no, no,

770
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: I think that, like I swear it's true. What do

771
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: you think? Well, I think that sounds exactly like something

772
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: your dad would say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, something your

773
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: dad would say, yeah, Like you know, I go to

774
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: your house and I get like tower cut readings from

775
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: your parents, like yeah, and like energy readings like I

776
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: think you're right. Well, his exact words were, you know, um,

777
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: when when you ask us, His exact words were, when

778
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: you ask something of the universe, you know it will

779
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: provide you an opportunity, um many opportunit needs along your

780
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: life path, which you know which which I usually take

781
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: it face about you, but it was it was very reassuring.

782
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: That's what you need to hear. I think at that. Yeah,

783
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: yeah he did. He said what you needed to hear,

784
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: which is such kind of a beautiful thing, like, yeah, exactly,

785
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: shout out to nevill and no, I'm definitely what I

786
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: needed to hear, not what I think I wanted to hear,

787
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: which is cool. But yeah, how do you see the

788
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: two roads diverging in your place in it? We've talked

789
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: about this a bit, I think actually, like we talked

790
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: about it the other day, um, And I think I'm

791
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of at a bit of a I don't know,

792
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: I am a little bit confused. I love having this podcast,

793
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: but I think it is such a creative outlet and obviously, yeah,

794
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: but it has been a thing where I think I've

795
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: become quite existential and thinking about like the concept of

796
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: like one life and um, you know is you know

797
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: you're here to be head anyway, perhaps you should really

798
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: just enjoy it. And it's kind of do you enjoy

799
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: the risk and the idea of a big payoff with

800
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: you enjoy the common luxuries? And that's a huge thing

801
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: I've been you know, this like that I've been kind

802
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: of thinking about recently is whether to take a creative path.

803
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: And I think that, like what your dad said has

804
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: been kind of my reasoning as well, in the less

805
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: spiritual way, because he's a very spiritually blessed person, and

806
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: more so, I was just kind of thinking, like, you know,

807
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: I never know what opportunities may come up in the

808
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: future and what financial freedom might actually be able to

809
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: bring me in terms of realizing dreams moving to Kurumbin

810
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: and having my art studio and having my creative studio

811
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: and being able to bring women people and elderly people

812
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: and anyone to come and join me. So it's like,

813
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, having I guess money is kind of the

814
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: activates a lot of your future ambitions. And you know, Jack,

815
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: like the guy who played Han Solo didn't become an

816
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: actor to who is like forty true and true, You're

817
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: going to be such a silver fox, like I would

818
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: stop it. Yeah, I'm I'm worried about being silver fox.

819
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: Every My mum's a hairdresser, and every time we go

820
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: to Sydney, she she will find like one or two

821
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: gray hairs growing when I'm getting my haircut. Um. God,

822
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I can spoil the look.

823
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: I hope I can, but yeah, I think that you can.

824
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: Your mom is an excellent hairdresser as well. I remember

825
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: last time we went up there and I had like

826
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: this two hour like your dad, because I feel like

827
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm close close to your family. I really Yeah, no,

828
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: they love you. I honestly, they speak so highly of you.

829
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: Um like like kind of on part with Milan, who's

830
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: been my best friend since preschool. They really like it

831
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: territory did um No, they're really They're just such lovely people.

832
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: I think very highly of them as well. Actually, so

833
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: hopefully you share this that you did this show with

834
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: me so you can like me more. Yeah yeah, yeah,

835
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: but I'll show my parents. Hey guys, hey mom and dad. Hi.

836
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: I remember like going up there. They just provide such

837
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: wide advice in your mom. I'm just going through a

838
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: break up at the time, and your mom gave me

839
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: like the post breakup haircut, you know, and they look good.

840
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: They look good as well, thank you. They're not looking

841
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: as great as than your mum. Yeah banging, um, yeah,

842
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: they're not looking as good as they called banks yeah banks, yeah, yeah,

843
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: you're such a guy sometimes yeah bangs And I remember, yeah,

844
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: anyhow that was an event later that evening, so yeah,

845
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, they do provide excellent advice and like, yeah,

846
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: I think what your dad said is completely real and

847
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: just something that we all have to consider and a

848
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: big shout out to people who do choose to take

849
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: that roadless travel and it is like something that we

850
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: all come across. But in terms of the kind of

851
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: lifestyle you have now tapping into your creative side, what's

852
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: that kind of one habit that you've picked up that

853
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: you kind of want to see yourself doing in ten

854
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: years would you would you hope that you're still writing

855
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: and still acting or do you see? Yeah, I think

856
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: I see. I don't really know. I think. Um, like

857
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: as we're talking about earlier, first year Jack would would

858
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: have a ten year kind of trajectory. But but if

859
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: if it's like anything, the last you know I'll make.

860
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: This is a really boring answer, but but but I've

861
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: stopped making really long term plans in life because I

862
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: realized that what I enjoy and what I'm discovering about

863
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: myself changes so often that I'm constantly relearning how to

864
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: live a happy life. Um. But I think that things

865
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: that I've learned as a solid which which makes you

866
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: very happy, which I'd want to do in the future.

867
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: It's definitely definitely writing creatively, um in you know, I'll

868
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: on on my off days, I'll usually have a routine

869
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: where I'll get up in the morning and get down

870
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: on the keyboard and I'll do an hour at least.

871
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: So I hope I'm still doing that because I think

872
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: it's a really good way to kind of express yourself.

873
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: Um And it's a good of a pressure about for me.

874
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: It really releases a lot of a lot of energy

875
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: and thoughts and ideas that I have. Um yeah, that

876
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: would be the one thing I think that I want

877
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: to keep consistent, you know, he keep keep you know,

878
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: kind of kind of like when I first started doing it.

879
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: Keep keep expressing what I'm thinking and going through the

880
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: moment um and you know, turning that into some form

881
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 1: of entertaining art. Yeah, would you ever write a novel?

882
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I've never asked you this. Do you think you could

883
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: write an oh something like that? I write, yeah, yeah, no, no, no,

884
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: that's that's a really good question. I I don't. I

885
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: think I would love to, but I don't think I

886
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: have yet. This is this is a kind of I

887
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: really haven't tested it, but I don't really think I

888
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: have the attention span right now. Um, I find that

889
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: what I like, you definitely know this. What I enjoy

890
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: changes every week, and so I would get one. I like.

891
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: The best part of short stories is that you can

892
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: write it in two days or three days. Um. Novels,

893
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a six month, twelve month,

894
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: eighteen month journey. Um. I think it's maybe later in life,

895
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: when I settled down, start and start getting a bit

896
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: more stable with my passions, I can commit to something.

897
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: Um yeah yeah, if it was yeah, yeah, well yeah,

898
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: if it was, tell me tell me now you go, no,

899
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: I want to hear. If it wasn't, well, I think

900
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: I think if it was, I'd love to do like

901
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: a little like Aldus Huxley, kind of utopia. Um. He

902
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: did this, he did he wrote this book. He's he's

903
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: the author of Brave New World, which is the bad utopia,

904
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: the dystopia. But he did this awesome book called Ireland,

905
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: and it is he spent about five years researching all

906
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: of these different things about spirituality, social psychology. Um. A

907
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: lot of it was a lot of Eastern religion and

908
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: Western science kind of fused, and he wrote this really

909
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: beautiful utopia based on you know what we knew about

910
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: humanity at the time. That was really cool. What what

911
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: was what? What was it like? So it was it

912
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: was based on an island and the there are a

913
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: few really cool principles of it, which was that all

914
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: the children belonged to First of all, the population was

915
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: very small, um. And all the children exactly yeah um.

916
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: And all the children belonged to like every parent sort

917
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: of thing. So it was like kind of collective child

918
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: child rearing. Um. And there was a lot of meditation

919
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: that was emphasized, a lot of There are a few principles.

920
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: I read it eight years ago, so I forgot it.

921
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: Forgot an example. They are, yeah, yeah, well it was cool. Yeah.

922
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: We were talking about Boda the other day while he

923
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: was weirdo yeah, yeah, exactly, I know. No, yeah, literally

924
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: he sat on a tree for two weeks. I need

925
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: to realize, you know, at the end of it, this

926
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: is a bit much. I need to chill out and

927
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: take the middle path. I would just be craving char time.

928
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: Can you get delivery to your bordhis tree? Yeah, yeah,

929
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: I know, I think I yeah, no, I don't want

930
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: to disparage the listeners, but um, we respect every religion here.

931
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: We definitely Hey, but you know what we need to

932
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: do next year because I feel like we could both

933
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: write novels and maybe fucking bab Yeah. Well, I just

934
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 1: think we need to just like do some really crazy

935
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: stuff and just like really pushing ab our boundaries and

936
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: just have like wild experiences like I feel like we

937
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: liked it. Next year we need to just have just

938
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: do something like I feel like what you're talking about, Like,

939
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about more of a utopian, dystopian

940
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: future world. M thinking my some yeah, I think it's

941
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: more based than not so much political and sociological idealism.

942
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: It's more Yeah, I love to write like an excellent

943
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: like coming of age story like some yeah, raw and

944
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, yeah, terrify life is, but also just

945
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: how just experiences and the human experience. And I feel

946
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: like it's such like an amazing time to kind of

947
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: like make those because I feel like all good stories

948
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: come from a place that's very real. Yeah absolutely, no,

949
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: I really I really like that idea. That's that is

950
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. I really like that. Well yeah no no no,

951
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: but like but no, it's it's a really cool thing though,

952
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: and I think, um, it definitely be worth like sitting

953
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: down and talking about it. Yeah, because because because I think, yeah,

954
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: you go yeah, no, no, no, you go just living well,

955
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: like being like poor, We're not going to be poor.

956
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: I felt it's bad to say, but like young people

957
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: in Sydney, like I just I don't know, maybe that's

958
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: like a cliche like something that's been done before. Maybe

959
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm idealizing our future life, but like yeah, just having

960
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: all those experiences and I think, also, you know this

961
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: very well about me, Like I'm very obsessed with like

962
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: capturing your youth. And yeah, that's why I do like

963
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: my one second a day, That's why I do these

964
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: podcast episodes, just like being able to have something to

965
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: look back on and relate to and being like, wow,

966
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: like you know, my biggest spirits being like forty with

967
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: kids and not being able to know to know to

968
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: look back on and reflect on all the experiences that

969
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: I had absolutely so profound, and I just think like messy,

970
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: just messy. Yeah, yeah, No, I like that, No, because

971
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: I think I was I was thinking of doing this

972
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: for a while, but kind of going back through my

973
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: journal entries and kind of looking at the kind of

974
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: shape my life has taken and have grown um and

975
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: like by way of Cathars, it's maybe revisiting those painful

976
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: moments and capturing that somehow. And so I like your

977
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: idea of capturing like a messy coming of age use Yeah,

978
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: because I also like, like, I think I think, you know,

979
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: at least at least my years growing up, you see

980
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: adults who have it all kind of together and what

981
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: a stability and you said, really hard expectations on yourself.

982
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: So I think the kind of raw art forms that

983
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: I've definitely been emerging the past few years about how

984
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: messed up and scary and terrifying life can be the

985
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: best I can give the most comfort. Yeah, absolutely, And

986
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: I think like the that's it's a good point. And

987
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: I think that like my favorite book, like A Little Life,

988
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: it does that really well. Maybe that's where I'm getting

989
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: my inspiration from because I just read it. But it

990
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: follows these like people from the ages of when I

991
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: was sixteen to like forty, living like in New York,

992
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: following all these different career paths, and I'm just their

993
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: lives and all the things that happened to them, and

994
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: the conflict and the love and not just the drama,

995
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: but just like the nuance of human interaction. Oh, it's

996
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: just the most like real life is just I think.

997
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: And that's just like that book excellently, I think. To

998
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: read it, Yeah you don't. I think it's very long,

999
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: but I think you would really like it at this

1000
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: point of life. Actually, i'll give you my copy, No,

1001
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: thank you. You're either there's a there's a real beauty

1002
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: in like capturing those little moments. Yeah, and and kind

1003
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: of I don't know, it's really hard to describe, but

1004
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: you kind of it's almost like where where you kind

1005
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: of touch life, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1006
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: And it's you can really you can really feel it. Yeah,

1007
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: it's like it's like you can really feel it's very granular. Um. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, No, no, no,

1008
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: you're You're absolutely right. And I think that like the

1009
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: big part of what I love this book is there's

1010
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: no moral. There's no like moral of the story. Like

1011
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: it's not trying to teach you anything. It's not like

1012
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: all those books you have to read in high school

1013
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: where it's like same of you know, redemption or guilt

1014
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: or honesty or bravery. It's just it's not trying to

1015
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: you anything. It's not giving you a moral. Like I

1016
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: think it's the most adult book I've ever read because

1017
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, this is the brutality of life,

1018
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: and it's joyful and it's hard, and it's not kind

1019
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: of force anything on you in terms of an ideology.

1020
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: It's like a reflection. And reading it, I was just

1021
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: like these characters just make such like she just creates

1022
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: such a beautiful, beautiful world that feels so real. And

1023
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: I think I've said I like said this to the

1024
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: guy that I'm saying. Um. The other day I was like,

1025
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: oh fuck, I forgot what I said. Oh yeah, Like

1026
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: I haven't read the final I'm so terrified of it

1027
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: ending because it just is so real, Like I know

1028
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: that something bad. Yeah right, I know, and I just

1029
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: I've never read it. I've read the book so many times.

1030
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: Last pages. Yeah yeah, because it feels like I love

1031
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: I love spoiling things, so I'll have to hold myself

1032
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: together after I read it. But oh, I know what happened,

1033
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to spoil it, but I just know,

1034
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: like it's all leading up to this point, and I'm

1035
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: just like terrified because it's just so fucking real and

1036
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: so existential and it's just like too much for me.

1037
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, No, it's you're either, it's it's it

1038
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: is really reassuring seeing those types of things where there's

1039
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: no theme or moral lesson, it's just it's it's people

1040
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: trying to reflect their own realities. Um. I think it's

1041
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: been a huge thing that's come up in the TV

1042
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: scene at the momentum where you have like like this,

1043
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: what's the show Euphoria was a really good example where

1044
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: kind of it's not thematic, it just gives like like this,

1045
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: very very real stories about what people go through. Um,

1046
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: and it has this I'll never forget. It has these

1047
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: amazing introductions to each episode where it the episodes will

1048
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: kind of take a focus on a particular character, but

1049
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: it gives you the kind of character's story and upbringing

1050
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: in background at the start of it. So, for example,

1051
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: there's Um. One of the stories focuses on a closet

1052
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: homosexual and he Um goes through this background of of

1053
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, him being shamed by his dad for for

1054
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: being feminine and making the football team and all this thing. Um,

1055
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: and then you kind of see his story play out

1056
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: in the episode and you always thought he was a

1057
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: bit of a dick in the previous ones, and it

1058
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: just completely covers a complete the image. Wow, just flips

1059
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: the narrative. It's kind of also like the way back

1060
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: which you and Tom recommend it to me, where it's

1061
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: just like just his dirty life, like yeah, yeah, that's it,

1062
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: Like that's it. I don't know, maybe there's like maybe

1063
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: someone who studies literature can like give us like the

1064
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: name for what kind of a job that we're talking about, Like, yeah,

1065
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: perhaps that's why we will never write a novel because

1066
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: we don't know enough about literature. But yeah, I feel

1067
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: like there's a name for it that someone leave it

1068
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: in the show. I don't know, reach out notes team. Yeah, no, definitely, Yeah,

1069
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: we've been recording for almost an hour. Yeah, you're right.

1070
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, before before we went on, you said it

1071
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: was going to go fast, and it went very fast.

1072
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: I hope it embarrassed myself because I was very nervous

1073
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: at the start and I don't like coming across in

1074
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: a that way, so I think I was being careful

1075
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: about that, but I hope it was right. No, dude,

1076
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: this was like, literally, I think the best part about

1077
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: good friends is realizing that no matter how long you've

1078
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: been friends, you can still discover something new about someone

1079
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: like yeah, and still have incredibly engaging conversations that are

1080
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: just like really lightening. So I have to say, I'm like,

1081
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: thank you for having me on. It was. It's it's

1082
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: really cool invitation to have a very just in conversation

1083
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: and you ask very very good questions. So am I

1084
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: the next Oprah? Could I be? Yeah? I think so,

1085
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, if Australia had an opera, thanks babe,

1086
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be my new That's going to be

1087
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: my highlot of the week now. But yeah, thank you

1088
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: so much for coming on. You're such a dear friend.

1089
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: So it was, And I think we've been talking about

1090
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: doing this episode for a while, and I'm sure the

1091
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: listeners who are still listening you'll hear from him again.

1092
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: We've got another episode in the work. We barely even

1093
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: talked about it, actually, considering how much we've discussed it.

1094
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm kind of glad that we didn't touch

1095
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: on it because I feel like it's such an episode

1096
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: in its own right. Yeah. No, a little sneaky surprise. Yeah, yeah,

1097
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: a little sneak So you'll be hearing more of Jack's voice. Yeah, yeah, hey, guys,

1098
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: enjoy it him. But yeah, thank you so much to Jack,

1099
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: one of my my co writers, as I said start,

1100
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: who helps me out with so many of these ideas

1101
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: and we have so many discussions and he's you're just

1102
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: such a big inspiration. You really pushed me to do this.

1103
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: So a real gratitude um extending out to you. But yeah,

1104
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: thanks Jackie, thank you. That's that's really kind. And yeah,

1105
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: thanks thanks for being such an awesome friend. And yeah,

1106
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: sorry you go, you're doing your outro. I need I

1107
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: need to stop talking. You're doing No, No, I was

1108
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: just I was just going to say this is it's

1109
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: so good that you've committed to this for so long.

1110
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: You've the podcast has been amazing and no, I'm I'm

1111
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: often in are of of the things you do constantly

1112
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: so but I don't say that often. True friends, true

1113
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: but true. Thanks thanks to Jack for stoking my ego there.

1114
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Speaker 1: Um remember to well if you liked the episode, which

1115
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: I hope you hope you flipping did because it was

1116
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: buddy good. I hope you subscribe to us on Spotify,

1117
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: Apple podcast, wherever you're listening right now, follow us on Instagram. Um,

1118
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, I hope you really enjoyed the episode, so

1119
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: thanks for listening and bye Jack, So yeah, see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Th