1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Tuesday, 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: March first, Happy March, everybody. The great month of college 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: basketball is upon us, and I wish I could open 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: the podcast with college basketball, but we have all these 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: new listeners in Philadelphia, Rob that I must address because 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: they're so I rate about James Harden and Joel Embad 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: and all these guys coming after me on Philadelphia radio. 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: My brother sends me a text that his friend is 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: texting him, Jeffrey, your brother's trending on Philadelphia Twitter because 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: of what he said about Hardening and Beat, And I 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: was like, oh man, And then I go back, Rob, 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: and you know, undisputed obviously the podcast, it was a 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: perfect storm for Monday. And on the pod, I said it, 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: you know, like there's eleven good duos in the league, 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: and Harden and Beat are kind of in there. I 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: don't know if they're top five. I don't and I 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: stand by that in the NBA. But when you're on 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: television and there's no you know, oh wait, let me 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: take my time. You know, you gotta you got your 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: you get in your sound bite and then the other 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: guy goes, and then the other guy and then there's 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: some back and forth. And I listened back to my 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: bite Robin. I said, you know, they're not top five 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: duo in the East, and I think that's what really 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: set people off and got them a little hot. Father 27 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: think it's tough because you know, maybe I'll clarify later 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: in the week, but I'm not going to jump into 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: the social media mess, the sewer that is social media 30 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: and clarify it. Listen, in the East, there's some really 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: strong ones. I stand by what I said, though, Bam 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: and Butler to me are a better duo than in 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: Beat and Hardened. And we will see. Listen, it's early 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: in the honeymoon. We talked about this yesterday. Uh. And 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: by the way, we're not gonna do a heavy NBA today. 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: We are actually gonna open with nfl um. But I 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: just want to point out for people, do the Sixers 38 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: they do not play tonight. Uh, let's see who their 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: next game is against. Rob is my computer working extremely 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: slow this morning? Uh sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I know 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: how boring this is to listen to um me look 42 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: through a schedule, But the Sixers do not play tonight. 43 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: They do, however, play on Wednesday. And on Wednesday, the 44 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: Sixers will be hosting the New York Knickerbockers. That should 45 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: be a disaster. That could be a thirty five point blowout. Right, 46 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: the Knicks who fought hard at home one Sunday, they 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: were within the number for most of the game. Now 48 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: they got to go on the road and the hardened 49 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: em be just it's gonna be a fever pitch in Philly. 50 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: They're all geeked. Um, that could be a blood bath 51 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. But um, nothing amazing happened Tuesday night in 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: the Association. The Nets lost by thirty six. You're like, 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, the Nets. Gosh they's thinking then you look, 54 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: no Kyrie, no KD just never mind who cares? But 55 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: I thought the biggest news rob in the sports world 56 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: on Monday came what mid morning, like right around lunchtime, 57 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: when Kyler Murray's agent released a statement that for some 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: reason was written in all caps like why are you 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: shouting at me? For like eight paragraphs and like essentially 60 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, I went through it, and basically, Kyler Murray's 61 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Asian is like, we want to get paid, right, now 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: like we we want to get paid right now if 63 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: you want to move forward to AMCA belief. That's that's 64 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: the way I read it. Rob, Is that is that 65 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: kind of your read on as well? Yeah, it read like, Hey, 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: I gave up a ton of guaranteed money in baseball 67 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not waiting for this extension, So give it 68 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: to me now or I'm not going to play well. 69 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: He also just saw his former college teammate Baker Mayfield. 70 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: You know, Baker just finished his fourth year in Cleveland. 71 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: He did not get paid after his third year, despite 72 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: getting to the playoffs and winning a game, right, remember 73 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: they beat Pittsburgh. I know it wasn't really Baker delivering, 74 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: but he's a quarterback of a team that got to 75 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: the layoffs, won a game they could have beat the Chiefs. 76 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: Remember Mahomes got hurt in that game with the concussion, 77 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: and they didn't really trust Baker late in the game 78 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: to throw the pass and make it happen. But Kyler 79 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: just saw what happened to Baker and what happens in 80 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: year four when he goes out there messed up shoulder. 81 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: Now he's got to go through surgery, and now he's 82 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: got an uncertain you're ahead of him. You don't think 83 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: he talked to him. Kyler Murray runs more than Baker Mayfield. Like, 84 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: there is a scenario for a small running quarterback where 85 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Kyler gets hurt this year and things go sideways quickly, 86 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: And you guys know, I'm in the tank for Kyler Murray. 87 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: I love his style. I you know, the whole social 88 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: media thing where he scrubbed it of Arizona paraphernelia or 89 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: photos like, I didn't love that a little juvenile. But 90 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear he's not happy that Arizona doesn't want 91 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: to pay him yet. And I will just point out 92 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: yet because there is a chinn chance right once free 93 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: agency begins later this month, that Arizona is like, Okay, 94 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: well we took care of this guy. We're able to 95 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: do this and restructure this and we can now pay you. 96 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: So it's not the end of the world, but it's 97 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: clearly not a good opening salvo when you go in 98 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: say pay me, and they're like, come back in a 99 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: few months. You know, that's like, what hold up? Let 100 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: me just remind people the year before Kyler got there, 101 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: they had Josh Rosen and Steve Wilkes, was the head coach. 102 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: They won three games. Kyler's rookie year five ten and one. 103 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: Second year eight and eight, three win improvement last year 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: year three up to eleven and six, another three win 105 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: improvement and made the playoffs in the hardest division in 106 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: the NFL. And yes, the Rams just won the Super Bowl. 107 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: The four Niners were in the Super Bowl two years ago. Seattle, Uh, 108 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: you know, had injuries this year and then they dipped 109 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: a little bit, but they're perennially perennially in the mix. 110 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: Rams are always good and the Niners are always good. 111 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: That's a brutal division, and they've improved Cliff Kings, Bryan 112 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: Calla Marie every single year. Now. Is Kyler a top 113 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: ten quarterback in the league right now? No, he's not. 114 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: Is the potential for him to be? Certainly at times 115 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: the last two years there was again it was a 116 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 1: low simmer, but there was m v P talk for Kyler. Murray. 117 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: Was it a little aggressive? I think it came after 118 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: Rob correct me if I'm wrong. Was it after the 119 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: Hail Mary? I think against Buffalo two years ago, the 120 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: Hail Murray Hall Murray, Yes, well, Mury. And also part 121 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: of it was that that each of the last two 122 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: m v p s wanted after their third in their 123 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: third year, So you know it was mahomes Lamar and 124 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, you know, Kyler's next, and he 125 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: got after that incredibly hot start and then kind of 126 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: faded away. Yeah. I mean again, I think it's a 127 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: no brainer. You pay him. Now the question is what 128 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: do you pay him. Do you give him Homes money? No, 129 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: I can't give homes money. Do you give him Josh 130 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: Allen money. I don't know that you can give him 131 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: Josh Allen money. But I just want to remind guys, 132 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: if you want to low ball your quarterback, you can 133 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: always go back to the days of Kevin Colb. Arizona 134 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: fans remember him, Josh McCown, Derrick Anderson, Jake the Snake Plumber. Sure, 135 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: maybe you'd look into a Curt Warner. Maybe maybe you 136 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: can to a Carson Palmer. You know, maybe that happens. 137 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: But it's bleak if you do not have a franchise quarterback. 138 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: And I always bring up the Miami Dolphins because you know, 139 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm a Jets fan. I dislike the Dolphins greatly. Go 140 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: look at what they've been through since Dan Marino. It's 141 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: tough as hell to find a franchise quarterback. I'm not 142 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: saying Kyler is that guy. But again, if he hits 143 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: the open market, and he obviously can't right now, but 144 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: if he were to hit the open market, and I'm 145 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: sure Kyler is going to be like, you know what, 146 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: I'd rather play baseball than go get my bell rung 147 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: here in the NFL and not get paid. But Kyler 148 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: on the open market, there is at least ten teams 149 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: that would gobble them up and pay all the money 150 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: in a heartbeat, right Rob, at least ten No more, 151 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: not the not not the amount that you're talking. There's 152 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: no way, I I holy you told me, you you 153 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: where is the number you said you saw? So look 154 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: at spot Track who they do great work online. I'm 155 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: sure everybody's familiar with their working that they don't know 156 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: it's actually spot Track that does it. They keep track 157 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: of all of the salaries, all of the salary cap numbers, 158 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: the future cap numbers, the dead cap numbers for every 159 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: major sport in America, MLB, NBA, NFL. They put out 160 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: something late on Monday night discussing on discussing, just breaking 161 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: down what the market value would be for the quarterbacks 162 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: who are either free agents or entering like free agency. 163 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: Kind of like a Derek Carr situation on one year left, 164 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: so it's kind of you've got to resign him or 165 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: kick him away or something like that. Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, 166 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: and Rogers. All these guys listed what their market value 167 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: is right now based on the guys who were already 168 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: locked into long term deals, like my home was like 169 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: dak According to them, Kyler Murray, his market value if 170 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: you were a free agent six years, two hundred and 171 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: fifty eight million dollars. Uh rudimentary math. Rob tells me 172 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: that's over forty million year, forty three million dollars this season. Now, 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: so I gotta be honest. I again, like, let's quickly 174 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: just do this fun exercise. We'll go through the team's buffalo. 175 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't think they're taking Cayler Murray New England Patriots. 176 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Would Belichick want Cayler Murray doesn't seem like his kind 177 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: of guy? Not right Miami Dolphins. I don't. It's pretty 178 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: clearly they don't like to or maybe that was just 179 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: the old regime. We'll see what the new guy thinks. 180 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: My new York Jets. Obviously we're gonna We're gonna see 181 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: what Jack Wilson has to offer in year two. We're 182 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: not breaking the bank since Satti Bengals have their guy. 183 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: Steelers do not have a quarterback. They don't have They 184 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: would definitely take Kyler Murray over anybody that's on the market. Now, 185 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: you would take Kyler over Jimmy Garoppolo, certainly over Carson 186 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: Wentz Brown's I think it's a no brainer Kyler over Baker. 187 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: Would you agree, Yeah, of course, it's just the money 188 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: is the issue. Baltimore. That's that's what changes the calculus. Now, 189 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: I'll just really crat I know you're gonna get into this, 190 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: but here's the breakdown of what they have for these guys. 191 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: You know, hypothetically Aaron Rodgers three years, one forty so 192 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: that's forty six million. So this is an order based 193 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 1: on average annual salary particulous. Lamar Jackson five years to 194 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: fifteen so right basically right around with Kyler Murder five 195 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: to Why they give him one less because he has 196 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: one year longer in his contract? Uh, Kyler Murray already 197 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: mentioned Russell Wilson three years, one seven justin Herbert if 198 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: you want to extend him super early six for two 199 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: fifty five, Matthew Stafford four one sixty five and Derek 200 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: Carr four for one. And you know, I know these 201 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: numbers sound astronomical and I'm laughing, but Rob, the reality 202 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: is these guys are probably underpaid given the amount of 203 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: money that the NFL makes and with these owners are 204 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: making in the amount of given how important the quarterback position. Yeah, 205 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: there's not twenty five good quarterbacks in the league. There's 206 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: maybe fifteen people on the planet that can throw a 207 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: football and be a quarterback. That's it, right, And here's 208 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: why I pushed back, because you know, said, would you 209 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: brought up Kevin Cobb and you're like, hey, you don't 210 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: want the Josh Rosen era, which I felt wholly offended 211 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: by because but doing now, by the way, I think 212 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: he Heste does autographs like in Santa Monica, and you 213 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: might catch I thought I saw him working at a 214 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: surf shop in Hunting. He's got a bad rat man. 215 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: But let me just say this, Look, Kyler Murray, like 216 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: you said, very well, could be a upper echelon, top 217 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: ten quarterback. You know, we've only seen it in flashes Unfortunately, 218 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: each of the last two seasons, he and the Cardinals 219 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: had flamed out spectacularly down the stretch, no doubt, and 220 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: he and here's the problem with giving him his contract 221 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: this early in the last decade. I believe there's only 222 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: been six quarterbacks who have gotten their extension prior to 223 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: their fourth NFL season. Josh, I mean, we're just talking 224 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: first round guys, first rounders Homes because because first rounders 225 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: get the five year deal where you could you could 226 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: hag in two more to say, it's like seven years. 227 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: So if you're you're giving him because he's like a 228 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: mid round pick. Yeah, but if you're given, if you're 229 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: giving a guy who you theoretically have seven years of 230 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: controlled contract and only you're exiting after three, he means 231 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: you think he's extremely special. So you want to, you know, 232 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: beat the market before he's able to really bring the bank. 233 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: So here are the guys that have done in the 234 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: last decade, Josh Allen, which you were, you know, scoffing 235 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: at last season when he got his big deal. I 236 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: wanted to see him do it again. And guess what, 237 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: he did it again, right, Okay, Patrick Mahomes, who I 238 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: think is going to go down as one of the 239 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: worst contracts for a player in NFL history, because he 240 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: could have got way more than what he like. He 241 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: could have super cashed in. He could have got fully 242 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: guaranteed four and a million dollars if he wanted to. 243 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, who was looking good until you know everything 244 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: fell apart around him. You're like, yeah, it's looking good right. 245 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: The three before that, though, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Ryan Tannehill. 246 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: Hold on, Jared Goff did go to a Super Bowl? Ryan? 247 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: Who is the other one? Carson Wentz, Ryan Tannehill, Ryan 248 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: in Miami or I think you got to the playoffs 249 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: once but again, Like that's how desperate people are for 250 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Like, but it just tells you if if 251 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: it's fifty fifty, why didn't you want to wait a 252 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: year and say, hey, we'll we'll pay instead of paying 253 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: him forty million a year, now, we'll pay the forty 254 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: three a year from now. Fox Sports Radio has the 255 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of 256 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and within 257 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app search f s R to 258 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: listen live again. I've said this, I've used this analogy. 259 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: I find a good barber, Rob, I'm going to that 260 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: guy all the time. That's my guy. I find a 261 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: good made to come in and clean your house. You're 262 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: just locking in on that person. I I found a masseuse. 263 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: I go every two weeks, I get a massage. I 264 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: think I've revealed that this is nothing new. But like, 265 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: if I find my quarterback, I want to start to 266 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: build that compound interest. I want that quarterback and the 267 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: coach together in lockstep in the quarterback room year after 268 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: year with as little turnover as possible. And the New 269 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: England Patriots had that, Tom Brady and Belichick in lockstep. 270 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: McDaniels was there for just about every year. And it's like, 271 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: if you can do that, you're only going to get better. 272 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: And I know Kingsbury has his words and Kyler has 273 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: melted down the starts. I get it. That's just three 274 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: years together. The potential to me is worth paying the quarterback. 275 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't mess around when you find someone that works. 276 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: And again we're in three years. He's ascended every single year. 277 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would argue that can he make 278 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: the leap and win a Super Bowl? I don't know. 279 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: I was told Matthew Stafford is garbage and has never 280 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: won a playoff game and k do Jack squad. He 281 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: goes to the Rams and he goes four now in 282 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. So like, I 283 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: don't want to hear this, Like can't right, I mean, 284 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: it just sounds silly to be like Kylo can't win games, 285 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: like he's been in the league for three years. Really 286 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: is what forty games? Forty five games a sample size 287 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: of whether or not someone could play, And Kyler Murray's 288 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: gotten better in each season. I don't or I'm probably 289 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: my being too bullish on him. No, like I said, 290 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: he has tons of potential and and I understand the 291 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: rationale behind getting it done early. I guess my concern is, 292 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: you pay him all this money. He is a small quarterback, 293 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: he gets hurt. You pay him all this money, and 294 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: he does he proves that he's not quite a prime time, playoff, 295 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: advanced deep type quarterback because he has folded down the 296 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: stretch into the last two seasons. Whether it's him or 297 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: it's the team, the fact remains that they have faded 298 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: every year he's been in the n NFL. And then 299 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: I think that's this last point, which cannot be overlooked, 300 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: which I know a lot of people are because they 301 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: don't know that details. His agent also reps Cliff Kingsbury. 302 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: So if he's able to strong arm the Cardinals on 303 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: this one, don't you think he's gonna do the same 304 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: thing with Cliff Kingsbury. The Cliff Kingsbury has even worse 305 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: track record when it comes to fading down the stretch. 306 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: So it rested the dangerous game. That's all. I just 307 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: again the devil, you know, isn't that a saying the devil? 308 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: You know? You know, I'd prefer that as opposed to 309 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: let's see what else is out there, Let's go hunting, 310 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, because I mean rob you know, I remember 311 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: when Mitchell Drobrisky was hot shipped in Chicago. Where is 312 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: he this? What is he? Like? Is he third string 313 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: somewhere in the league that I don't know where he's at. 314 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: He's a backup for Buffalo, and rumor has it he's 315 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: looking for a starting game next the hell out of it, 316 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, Like I mean, the the Giants, by the way, 317 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: are bringing back allegedly Daniel Jones, like they're they're they're 318 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: they're feeling good about Daniel Jones, like I'd feel good 319 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: about Brian Dable. And by the way, all this Josh 320 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: Allen stuff, yeah, it has been really good two years 321 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: in a row. I got it. I was with Brian Dable. 322 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm not doubting Josh Allen again. I'm just saying he's 323 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: now gonna have a new offensive coordinator or that. I 324 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: know there's some continuity given I think they promoted the guy, 325 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: they didn't bring in something outsider, and I just I 326 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: need to continue to see it from Josh Allen. By 327 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: the way, he was incredible in that Chiefs game and 328 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: pretty much all season he was outstanding. Did have a 329 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: couple of lumps, but who didn't. Mahomes had some had 330 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: some rough patches last season. The quarterback position really rob 331 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: We could just do twenty minutes thirty minutes every week 332 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: throughout the year on the quarterback position. That's how much 333 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: uncertainty there is. And again we were going through all 334 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: the teams that need a quarterback. I'll ask you right now, 335 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: obviously not at forty three million, but if Kyler Murray 336 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: was trade bait right now, if the cardinal said, you 337 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: know what, we're sick of his attitude, we're sick of 338 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: his agent. Were done. We want to trade him after 339 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: three years like Chicago Bears. You're certainly jumping at Kyler Murray, 340 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: are you not. I mean, Justin Fields is there, but 341 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: I would take Kyler Murray. Detroit Lions, obviously they have nobody. 342 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: New York Giants and Dable. You don't think Brian Dable 343 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: will be like, holy cal give me that. Washington. There's 344 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: talked at Washington at the combine already is the hottest 345 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: team for Kenny Pickett, the quarterback out of Pittsburgh, because 346 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: the only quarterback they have on the roster is Taylor Heinekey, 347 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: a K A Matt Service and a K A QB one. 348 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: That's what Washington has. They would take, they would they 349 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: would run over women and children to make a play 350 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: for Kyler Murray. That's how desperate they are. New Orleans 351 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: Saints now, I know they can't afford him, but their 352 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: quarterback room is shot. Tampa Bay Bruce arians does like 353 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: to chuck it and Duckett. Kyler Murray, he's got he's 354 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: got a hose. Um Carolina Panthers, you know, Um Sam 355 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: was Sam Donald and Kyle Walkers. That what is I 356 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: forget they're back. P J. Walker, thank you, you know, 357 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: like I instantly, I rattled off in a heartbeat. And 358 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: by the way, Denver Broncos in the a f C 359 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: would be interested. Houston Texans. We floated the idea of 360 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: of of a Deshaun Watts in for Kyler Murray trade. 361 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts are done with Carson Wentz allegedly according to 362 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: the owner and the coach, it sounds like they're out 363 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: on him. By the way, a little nugget on Carson Wentz. 364 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: So my son Rob goes to this like workout thing 365 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: where this coach from I think he comes in from 366 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: Compton coaches a bunch of young good athletes, like I'm 367 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: talking like tackle football in like fourth grade, and these 368 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: guys are awesome and it's a cheap work out. My 369 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: son goes there. The guy of course, as soon as 370 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: I roll up, he's like, dude, I've seen you want 371 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: on dispute. He's so such a cool guy. He his 372 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: son is like a major player. Right. He's red shirting 373 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: this year. He's at eight. He was in eighth grade 374 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: and now he's doing homeschool for a year so he 375 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: can go in, you know and get bigger and develop. 376 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: He's already a major. He goes and works with like 377 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: the same QB not room, but the same group of 378 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: coach coaches that work with Brady in the off season. 379 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: And at this facility, this guy's son goes there and 380 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is there this week, and people are like, oh, Mark, 381 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. And I'm not going to reveal any other 382 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: stuff about what he said about Wentz. But Carson Wentz 383 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: is not He's not throwing in the towel. I'll just 384 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: say that, you know, he's got to be down in 385 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: the dumps. The one guy in the league was like, 386 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: bring me Carson Wentz. Frank Reich, Right, it sounds like 387 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: they're done with him already, and you know, you kind 388 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: of feel bad for Wentz. But I'm the shelf life 389 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: rob on these quarterbacks. It wasn't it four years ago 390 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: that Todd Gurley and Carson Wentz were battling for the 391 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: m v P in the in the NFL. Yes, it's 392 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: like three or four years ago, right, Yeah, it's crazy. 393 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: It's just insane. So I don't know, are we in 394 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: agreement that what's your move? What do you do? To Kyler? 395 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: I say, you pay him right now, I say, you 396 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: wait a year. And even though I hope, like I said, 397 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: I totally agree with what you're saying and where you're 398 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: coming from, the problem is number one, you know, I 399 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: still want to see another year. If at number two 400 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: is they have him locked up, he can't go anywhere 401 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: for at least two more years. Then you can tag 402 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: him two more years after that. So what's the rush 403 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: in getting this done now when you have that little control? 404 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: And that speaks to a bigger issue. We're not gonna 405 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: have to get into it with the NFL and the 406 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: salary structure and the and the contracts structure and things 407 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: like that. But I thought the NBA you can force 408 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: your way out of town doesn't work like that in 409 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: the NFL. UM I guess this way does have the bait. 410 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: Do you think his next card is baseball? But he'd 411 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: have to wait. He's ready to play that card. If 412 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't get what he wants here, he'd have to 413 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: lock up. Problem. That's the problem is he wants to 414 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: get paid now, and if he goes to baseball, I 415 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: think he has like four or five years he has 416 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: to be in the majors. Are the minors before he's 417 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: even eligible for free agency, because the a still have 418 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: his draft rights, like, like he's still there. So is 419 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: this a game of chicken? He's gonna be playing Arizona. 420 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go play baseball, and Arizona is gonna say, 421 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: are you gonna go ride busses in Double A for 422 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: two years after living living the dream out here in Arizona? 423 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: You're gonna be used to sell tickets. They're gonna put 424 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: you on the major league roster. You're gonna bat one 425 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: seven and then you'll be out of the league in 426 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: two years. That's what I'm saying. Like, that's why I 427 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: understand why Arizona, if I'm running the show, I'm gonna 428 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: know rush to give him that money because I think 429 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: they have all the leverage here. M hm oh boy, 430 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I can't side with billionaires against millionaires. All Right, 431 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: we'll wrap up the pod. I don't know, Rob a 432 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: couple of NBA stories floating out there this morning, Shack 433 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: saying that the Lakers won't win a title if they 434 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: trade away Lebron moderately interesting, and then Bill Simmons, who 435 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: I don't think we've mentioned on this pod, lately. But 436 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: Bill Simmons claims he has inside information about an expansion 437 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: team in Vegas and Lebron is somehow connected to ownership claims. 438 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: That's moderately interesting. But where are you on this, Bill Simmons? Think, like, 439 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: how is Lebron allowed to play in the league and 440 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: have an ownership stake? Well, not right now, but knowing 441 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: Adam Silver and the way that he kind of caves 442 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: to everything that the players want, I'm sure that if 443 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: this became available that he would somehow find a way 444 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, Lebron, you can be a 445 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: player slash owner for this team and still reap the 446 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: benefits of the TV deals something like that. When I 447 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: read the Bill Simmons article and I went back and 448 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: listened to is the clips from the podcast um from 449 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: his Bill Simmons podcast, that I wanted to make sure 450 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: that before I had any real thoughts about it, that 451 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: it was actually possible. So I asked around, asked a 452 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: few people who work around the league, and maybe you 453 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: don't know Lebron directly, but they know his group that 454 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: he knows, you know, the Clutch Sports family, so to speak. 455 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: And they all said that, you know, this is no secret. Obviously, 456 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: we all know Lebron wants to own an NBA franchise. 457 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: He said that multiple times publicly, and from what they 458 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: have said is that his goal was always to try 459 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: and get the Calves that he wanted to have the 460 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: hometown team. The problem with that, though, is that there's 461 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: no realistic way for him to get it, because why 462 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: would Dan Gilbert sell the team Like owning a sports franchise, 463 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: especially the NBA of the NFL, It's just a cash cow. 464 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: It's always worth more money every year every year. It's 465 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: just it's it's it's always appreciating in value. So the 466 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: person I spoke to said, you know what, it would 467 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: make sense then, because he's not most likely you're going 468 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: to be able to get a team that's already established, 469 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: that his next best option would be an expansion team. 470 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: And if what they're saying is true, and we've all 471 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: heard the rumblings that Seattle and Las Vegas were going 472 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: to be the next two teams, the next cities to 473 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: get it, it would make sense that Lebron, given his 474 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: business savvy, given his connections to Fenway Sports Group, would 475 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: be able to get in early on the glamour city 476 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: that is Las Vegas and become the face of you know, 477 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: the next glamour market in the NBA. Well, I mean, 478 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: listen you once you start getting ownership stakes, and again 479 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: as someone who owns part of two small sports teams, 480 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: Um yes, I had to quickly drop that. Um. You know, 481 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: you get on the track when you're Lebron on the 482 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: way to billionaire status. Now, I'm trying to think back, Rob, 483 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: when Michael Jordan returned to the NBA to play for 484 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: the Wizards, wasn't he in some way, shape or form 485 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: in the front office at the same time. I don't 486 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: know if you had an ownership stake, but I could 487 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: have swore he was somehow connected to the front office 488 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: because I think he got them to draft Kwame Brown. 489 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 490 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 491 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 492 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. So I just 493 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: found it. So Jordan's basically it sounds like there was 494 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: a wink wing nudge nudge deal when he came back 495 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: to play for the Wizards. Hey, come back to play 496 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: for us, and we will get you some job in 497 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: the front office director of basketball operations blah blah blah. Uh. 498 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: Very quickly though, he was fired by a Poland as 499 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: as the team president of basketball operations. And you know, 500 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: Jordan of course said I would have never come back 501 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: if I knew they were going to fire me. Blah 502 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: blah blah. So within three years from that he brought 503 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: a minority stake in the Bobcats. So I'm sure, and listen, 504 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: let's be realistic. A lot of these pro sports leagues 505 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: n b A, NFL, Major League Baseball, they're all a 506 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: majority owned by old white guys with tons of money, 507 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: some new young white guys with money, tech money. They 508 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: want minorities to come in and be owners. They do. So. 509 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: When Michael Jordan says, yeah, I'll buy a minority stake 510 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: in the in the Bobcats, sure of course they're bending 511 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: over backwards. I'm sworn to secrecy on this. I can't 512 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: talk about it at all. But that NFL sale Uh, 513 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: there is a sleeper of minority candidate out there who 514 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: is putting together a group right now. I'm sworn to secrecy, 515 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: so Rob, don't even ask me all pod, I I can't, 516 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: I can't say anything. I can't tell the wife, Um, 517 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: one of those deals. Um, they're putting together a group 518 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: right now, is it gonna happen? I have no idea, Um, 519 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: but you know, the NFL would love minority ownership, right. Yes, 520 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: NBA does not have a lot. I don't even know 521 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: what NFL minority owners there are? Are there any shot 522 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: con shot con okay in Jacksonville? There you go? This 523 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: is what but you know, but you but you know 524 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: that the NBA, with the way that they are, they 525 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: they're very progressive. I could see them saying, you know, 526 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: Lebron's group is offering let's say three point five billion, 527 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: and there's another group has three point six they'll take 528 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: Lebron's off just because do you know what the bump 529 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: of like the Lebron bump is like you get a 530 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: huge name like that, a guy with what thirty million 531 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: followers on all those social media handles, maybe fifty I 532 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: don't know that alone is a huge win. Like I 533 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: and again I'm running off. Can I get take off? 534 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: Because I know you're gonna want to wrap it up soon. 535 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: When I heard the news, I put this tweet out. 536 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: I know you didn't see it because you want to 537 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: retweeted because it was that great. I said that Lebron 538 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: the owner would hate Lebron the GM even more than 539 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: Lebron the GM would hate Lebron. There does that hold water? 540 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: Because just to go to this way quickly? Okay, Lebron 541 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: the player says, F them picks, F the salary cap, 542 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: F the luxury tax. I want to win now, right, 543 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: So Lebron the GM is like, dude, this guy's really 544 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: handcuffing me because I have to mortgage all of my 545 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: future to win now. Lebron the owner, who outside of 546 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: like three owners in the NBA who don't give a 547 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: ship about the luxury tax, it's like Bomber the guys 548 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: in in Golden State and Brooklyn, they're like, well, I 549 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: don't want to pay into the luxury tax, and most 550 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: we're guaranteed a championship, So why am I going to 551 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: keep signing off on all of these stupid ass trades 552 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: that you're doing. It's adding salary. So can you imagine 553 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: if like Lebron the owner and it comes out to 554 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: making a deal, he's like, you know what, guys like 555 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm not really down to pay the five million plus 556 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: in luxury tax to get me Alex Caruso or something 557 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: like that. Can you imagine that that'd be great. I'm 558 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: not going to get an attax for Alex car So. 559 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, Alex Crucios on the number one 560 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: seed in the East. No, no, that that's a it's listen, 561 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: that's a good point. And again I joke that I'm like, 562 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, a big time sports owner of two teams, 563 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: an Australian basketball team in the NBL and then a 564 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: soccer team in Lega m X, the top league in Mexico. 565 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: But just being privy to the conversations that happened and 566 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: some of the stuff they're rolling out or plan to 567 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: roll out, is pretty cool and you you definitely feel like, damn, 568 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: these guys know what the hell they're doing. And I'm 569 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: getting like a master's degree course in sports team ownership 570 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: just after a few years of of being you know, 571 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: on calls with these guys and uh text groups and 572 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: emails and like, wow, this is it's pretty damn cool. 573 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: And I'll just say this as a sports fan, everybody 574 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: out there loves fantasy football. Even if you don't like 575 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: fantasy I think you know, fantasy is awesome. Multiple leagues, 576 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: multiple teams, so it's great. I love the idea of 577 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: I could do a better job of putting together a 578 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: team than that guy. Right, that's like the most fun 579 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: thing ever, Like the NFL combines happening. I can see 580 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: that this wide receiver is gonna be slam dunk. Superstar 581 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: Rob sees him and it's like off Bust City NFL 582 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: GM sees him and says, maybe you know, like it's 583 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: just it's fun, and you know, obviously it's fun. If 584 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: you hit. If you miss, you're out of a job now. 585 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: But the owner owners not losing a job. But that's 586 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: why the owner doesn't really meddle unless your name is 587 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: Lebron Now, well Lebron metal Ro can you see Lebron whatever, Like, hey, 588 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: we gotta take brawny here in the lottery. We gotta 589 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: get him. I mean, it's anyways, all right, we've gone 590 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: long enough. Catch me again today on Undisputed, actually all week, 591 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: unless you know, I say something really really bad and 592 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: get yanked off the air. But otherwise we'll talk to 593 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: you tomorrow.