1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, this is Bruce Bosi. Thanks for joining us 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: for another episode of Table for Two. This week, we're 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: back at my favorite joy in La, the Sunset Tower 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: for an incredible lunch. 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: Eric, are the Lost Tackles gluten free? Yes, and That's 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: what I'm gonna have with no onion. 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: My guest today is one of the funniest people I know. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: She's a comedian, an actress, and a native New Yorker. 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: You know her from her breakout role on Curb Your Enthusiasm, 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: where her scenes with Larry David are legendary. 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: You know it's my real you know downfall is potato chips. 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: The worst you can just not a person that can 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: have one potato chips. 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: That's right. We're having lunch today with my old friend 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Susy Esmond. We're going to talk about her life as 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: a comedian, her time on Curb, and so much more so. 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Grab a rose and pull up a chair because this 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: is going to be a fun one. I'm Bruce Bosi 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: and this is my podcast Table for two. 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: Well, hey, everybody, if you've pulled up a chair today 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: on Table for two, this is. 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 5: An amazing lunch for me because we are. 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: Having lunch with truly a thirty year friendship a person 24 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 4: I met in nineteen ninety four and was reminded at 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 4: an Oscar party. 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: That was also your birthday. 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 4: That was also my birthday, And like Susie, when we met, 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 4: it was a connection from the immediately. 29 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 5: Start immediately, no joke, everybody, we are having fell in 30 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 5: love with Susie Esmond. Welcome to the table. We did. 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, we fell in love and that was it, you know, 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: it was just it was just there. And at the 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: time our life lives were completely different than our lives 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: are now. 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 5: Oh no, we were. 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: I don't even know if you were working at the 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: Palm then. 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 5: Oh I was. 39 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 4: I was doing the private events at the Palm two 40 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 4: and the Palm one. 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 5: Oh my god, the Palm two closes, we all know. 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 4: And I took three pictures, Yes, I took three pictures, 43 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 4: which I should have brought today. 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 5: I took your picture that you signed that was on 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 5: the wall. 46 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 4: I took Irene Cara, and I took Sue Simmons. 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: Oh wow, Sue Simmons. 48 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: So you know those are the three a half I'm 49 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 4: gonna send you, and you autographed it to my Gustin 50 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: Luciano blah blah blah. 51 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: Hi, so you were you were doing that and I 52 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: was a fledgling stand. 53 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, tell me about that, like tell me about like. 54 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: I mean nineteen ninety were talking about nineteen ninety. So 55 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: I started in nineteen eighty four basically doing stand up. 56 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 4: How did you get to that first? Because I was 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 4: wondering about that, because I know, like you grew up 58 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 4: in New York. What got you on the stage that 59 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 4: first time in nineteen eighty four? 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 5: And where was it? 61 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: It was actually nineteen eighty three, the first time I 62 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: got on stage. It was a place called Mostly Magic 63 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: on Carmine Street in the village. It was a place 64 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: and every Tuesday night they had an open mic, you know, 65 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: and for people don't know what opened mic, you sign 66 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: up and you get to do three minutes, five minutes 67 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: whatever I was at the time I was. It was 68 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: July nineteen eighty three. I was twenty eight years old. 69 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: I was a lost, lost soul. I was depressed. I 70 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: was working in a restaurant. I was in a very 71 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: bad relationship, very bad relationship. I don't want to you know, abusive. 72 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: It kind of takes so many things, but it was. 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: It was an emotionally bad relationship, and I just I 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: didn't know what to do with my life. I was 75 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: in a really, really bad stage. I was waitressing and 76 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: all my friends. The way that I made waitressing bearable 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: for myself is I would go back into the kitchen 78 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: and imitate all the customers because I was always a 79 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: great mimic, and all my waiter front. You know what 80 00:03:58,720 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: it was like in the old days when you were 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: young and you're working in a restaurant and then you 82 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: all go out. You're out to three o'clock in the 83 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: morning and it's fun, yeah, you know, and you got 84 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: cash in your pocket at the end of the night. 85 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: To other things. I love about it the physical aspect. 86 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: You're running, running, running, and you got to use your 87 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: brain because you've got to prioritize and you have to 88 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: you know. So it was it was diverting and interesting, 89 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: and then you get really close with the people you're 90 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: working with. I was a waiter at this place called 91 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: Artie's Warehouse Restaurant on West twenty first Street between tenth 92 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: and eleventh. It was an old warehouse. 93 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 5: Converting eleventh at that time. 94 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: Was it was not pretty, but you could park, so 95 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: there was like a lot of bridge and tunnel types 96 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: that came because you could park. And Artie was this 97 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: old bomb Mitzvah band piano player, an accordion player, you know, 98 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: who then had a million businesses. But he was always 99 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: like playing the piano and tumbling and you know it 100 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: was a great guy, great, great guy, and was very 101 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: supportive of me when I started doing stand up. 102 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: He would let me leave early to go do sets, 103 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 3: and he would let me he'd. 104 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: Let me quit because I couldn't take. 105 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: It anymore, and then hire me back but go on employment. 106 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: You know. He was very It was like a great guy. 107 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: And I worked there for like seven years. And my 108 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: friends there were the ones who said to me, you 109 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: really need to do this. But I never thought of 110 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: doing stand up. It was too scary and it wasn't. 111 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 5: Were you funny? Like in high school? 112 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: I was always funny, but I was not class clown funny. 113 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: I was funny with my friends, you know, especially my girlfriends, 114 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: because you know, when I was a teenager, you couldn't 115 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: be funny in front of the boys. 116 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 5: Really, Oh yeah, it was or they were you know, he. 117 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: Couldn't You couldn't out funny them, right, sarcissists. 118 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, there hetero guys. 119 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: But I had a great boyfriend in high school. But yeah, 120 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: so they kind of forced me to get on stage 121 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: and I did, and there were these two guys there, 122 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: Paul Herzik and Bert Levitt. I thought I was going 123 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: to do this once and never do it again. And 124 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: at the time, I just did these characters. I didn't 125 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: speak in my own voice. So I got on I did, 126 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: you know, put the set together. And these guys came 127 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: up to me afterwards and they said, we're opening up 128 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: the comedy club. We thought you were great, We'd love 129 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: you to work at our club. I gave them my 130 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: phone number, never thinking anything. Never got back on stage 131 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: again because I was petrified. Three or four months later, 132 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 2: they called me, Hi, I remember us. We opened up 133 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: this club and it was comedy You on thirteenth over 134 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: and University over the Mexican restaurant over there, Yes, and 135 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: they asked me to come down. They said, can you 136 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: come down and do ten minutes? And I was I 137 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: could curse on the show, right, you can, Okay? So 138 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: I was a fucking idiot think in ten minutes, Oh, 139 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: I could do that. Ten minutes is insane and sane. 140 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 6: Long. 141 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: So I wrote these character pieces and I went down 142 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: there and I had all my friends come, Like afterwards, 143 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: I would never have my friends come, but you know, 144 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: it was a neophyte and these guys just kept on 145 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: hiring me. Wow. 146 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: So for six months I only worked there. 147 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 5: Not back at the restaurant. 148 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: Well no, I still was working at the I mean, 149 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: but no other comedy clubs. That's where I met Joy, 150 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: and I met you know, so many other comedian friends. 151 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: And and then after about like two months, I was like, Okay, 152 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: this is what I was born to do. 153 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: But it was all kind of accidental. I didn't think 154 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: I was going to do that. 155 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 4: But don't you think, like what I love about that story, 156 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: Susie's We grew up at a time where things could 157 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 4: be accidental. Yeah, you were living your life. We could 158 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: be in our twenties and not know and be lost. 159 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: I certainly was, you know, And like the accident leads 160 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: to the next in which your closest friend for ever 161 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 4: and ever and you meet. And it was a very 162 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 4: special time in New York City. 163 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: But for comedy, it was a very special time, especially 164 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: because in the mid eighties was when it was the 165 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: comedy explosion, and you know, people would be lined every 166 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: night at Catch a Rising Store. They'd be lined up 167 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: around the corner on First Avenue, you know, I mean 168 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: it was it was. 169 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: They called it the rock and Roll of the eighties. 170 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: It was huge, and every night a Catch a Rising 171 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: Store there'd be rock stars and movies. It was like, 172 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: if you recall, it was a dinky little club. 173 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but there was another one too on front. 174 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: The comic strip was on second. 175 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 5: Second, that whole area, yeah, and then there. 176 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: Was the Improv which was on the west side. I'm 177 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: forty fourth, which I never worked. You kind of aligned 178 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: yourself with one club or another. But I didn't go 179 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: to the uptown clubs for a while. I mean, I 180 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: was too insecure. I was so deeply insecure, and it 181 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: took me a really long time to you know, I 182 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: was just doing the character thing to speak in my 183 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: own voice and find I remember Ronnie Shakes, who died 184 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: many many years ago, was great stand up comic, like 185 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: a real jokester, old fashion, and I remember he said 186 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: something to me like, oh, it takes you, you know, 187 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: ten years or thirteen years to find your voice and 188 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: stand up. 189 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 3: And I was Eric and I was like, Oh, it's 190 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: not gonna take me that long. 191 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: It took me longer. You know, it takes you a 192 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: really long time to find out who you are. 193 00:08:44,480 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, when we met in ninety four, was a veteran, 194 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 7: right you were. 195 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, you walked into the room and we have 196 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 5: a visceral just. 197 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 4: I think connection as far as New Yorkers and just 198 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 4: our niss together. 199 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 5: You just don't have that with everybody. 200 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 6: You were already. 201 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: I was an established comic at that point, and I 202 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: was working. But you know, in stand up if you're 203 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: not on TV, you're not drawing and making money, right really, 204 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: So at the time, if you recall, there was a 205 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: million of these stand up like you know, Bosy O'Donnell 206 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: had stand up Spotlight, and there was evening at the Improv, 207 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: and there was Caroline's Comedy Hour where you do five 208 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: minutes and they pay you six hundred bucks and they 209 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: own you for the rest of you know, perpetuity. But 210 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: I was in a by that time. I was an 211 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: established comic and just making a living as a comic, right, 212 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: not a great living, but I paid my rent at 213 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: a right. 214 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 5: I know exactly where you lived. You lived on seventy 215 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 5: Eighth Street. 216 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: Right at a rent stabilized apartment. 217 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 4: Susan had a apartment that was so interesting because there's 218 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 4: a rent stabilized apartment, but it also in a building 219 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 4: in New York if you can picture the people. 220 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 5: But your front door was on this. 221 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: On the street. They call it a Masonite, don't they? 222 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 5: Is that what they call it? 223 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: And it was directly across the street from Stand Up 224 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 2: New York. Yes, it was so when I used to 225 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: work at Stand Up New York, you know in comedy 226 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: and stand up they gave you the light when you 227 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: got a few minutes left. They would call me when 228 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: they gave the comic before me the light, and I 229 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: would walk out of my apartment and just walk across 230 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: the street. 231 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 5: Crazy. I always thought that was crazy that I lived 232 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 5: there for fourteen years. 233 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they they it was an illegal rent Statelis apartment. 234 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: And then the super died, right, and the new super 235 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: turned me in. One day, I got a knock on 236 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 2: the door and it was the Marshall, the US. 237 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 5: Marshal, Yeah, staying out. 238 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he gave me thirty days and then I 239 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: contacted a rent a you know, a rent lawyer or whatever, 240 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: and that's when I bought my first apartment. 241 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's that's hys IDEA said, this is like. 242 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: But that was a ready two thousand and three, right, 243 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: you know, so I had started doing curb, but not 244 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, I still had no money. 245 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was broke all the time. 246 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: Now, but I also think that's what gives you, like 247 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 4: the gravitas that you have, Like like that's what's kind 248 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: of great it is like to have. 249 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 5: I mean, no one likes to be broke all the. 250 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 4: Time, but like living in New York, having that, doing 251 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 4: the struggle being part of it. 252 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 5: Right, So when you had it, you had it, but 253 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 5: you're still. 254 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and when I say broke, I was making a living, 255 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: you know. But it was what we used to do 256 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: at the time in stand up clubs is during the 257 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: week they would play you what they call camp fair, 258 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: which was some clubs was seven bucks, some clubs was 259 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: ten bucks a set. Then on the weekends you would 260 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: get fifty bucks a set, and if you were seeing 261 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: like a cat, you'd get a hundred. So we used 262 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: to do, you know, Maria, all of us we used 263 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 2: to do. I used to do five, six seven sets 264 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: on a Friday and a Saturday, wow, and then i'd 265 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: have my rent right right, you know, so I had 266 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: cash wow. 267 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, And when you say five or sixcess, that's in 268 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: the one run around. 269 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: And I don't know how we did that because we 270 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: had no cell phones. 271 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 5: Right. 272 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: So then you do like a downtown run where I 273 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: do the Duplex and Comedy Cellar and Green Street upstairs 274 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: at Green Street on Saturday night. Then you come uptown 275 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 2: I do Catch and Stand Up New York and the 276 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: Comedy Cellar and I mean a comic strip and you know, 277 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: so you kind of and then at the end of 278 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: the night, wherever you ended up. For me, it was 279 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: usually Catch. Then you go to the diner with everybody 280 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: at three o'clock in the morning, I mean, and it 281 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: was it was Joey and I were talking about this 282 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: the other day. There was a tremendous sense of community 283 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: and it was your cheers. Yeah, because I could walk 284 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: into any comedy club in New York and I knew everybody, 285 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: every comic hanging out at the bar, every waiter, waitress, doorman, 286 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 2: and you didn't. And I was single, and I never 287 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: had to think about what am I doing on a 288 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: Saturday night working? 289 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 5: Right now, I have to get home to all my. 290 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: Friends were around me. All there was a great time, 291 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: and it was a really creative time, really creative. 292 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 4: It's a really like you hit at a very special moment. 293 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 4: The time period of nineteen eighties nineties what a great. 294 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: It was a great time. It was a great I mean, yeah, 295 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: it was difficulties because I always had stage fright and 296 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: you know, all this kind of crap and dealing with 297 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: the business. 298 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 3: But it was also a frustrating time for me because 299 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 3: I saw. 300 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: A lot of people that I knew, and I say 301 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: this with all due modesty, who were not necessarily better 302 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: than me, hitting on things and making real money. And 303 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: that was frustrating tree not so much the fame as 304 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: the finances, because I had no security and it got 305 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: to the point where it was like, I don't know 306 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: how much better I could be, and yet nothing was happening. 307 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: Nothing was happening. So the mid nineties were kind of 308 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: difficult for me, you know, limping along until I got 309 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 2: that phone call in two thousand from Larry David, who 310 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: had medica'rizing story. 311 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 6: Wow. 312 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us on Table for two. 313 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: Our guest Susie Esman played Susie Green on the HBO 314 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: comedy Curb Your Enthusiasm for twelve seasons. She was absolutely 315 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: hilarious on the show and stole many scenes with her 316 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: creative and often explicit language. I know many listeners are 317 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: probably curious about how she landed the role. 318 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 4: Okay, so now let's and I do know the story, 319 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: but I think it's so worth telling, and it's so wild. 320 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 5: Susie So, and congratulations on what a run. 321 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: In twelve seasons, twenty four years. 322 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, that's just amazing. So Larry calls you. 323 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: You know him, Larry had done Seinfeld already. And I 324 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: met Larry probably nineteen eighty five. You know, he was 325 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: a stand up and I met him at the bar 326 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: catch a rising star, and we always liked each other. 327 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: And I remember once I was doing a new bit 328 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: and he was in the room and another comic sets me, Oh, 329 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: Larry came out and was talking about your bit was 330 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: really good. And Larry was always that kind of a 331 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: person that you wanted him to think well of your 332 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: work because you knew he was a genius. 333 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: You know, there's just something about him that you knew 334 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: he was otherworldly. 335 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: So I was I remember that, I was like, oh, 336 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: Larry thought I was funny, you know, little did I 337 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: know how many times I'd end up kicking him out 338 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: of my house. So I met him then, and then 339 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: he left because he went to moved to La to 340 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: do Seinfelder all those years and became wildly successful financially 341 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: and you know all that stuff. 342 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: And then one day, I don't remember it was nineteen 343 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: ninety nine, oh. 344 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety nine, I did a roast for the Friars 345 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: Club that was on Comedy Central of Jerry Stiller. 346 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 5: I remember that. 347 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: And this is another thing about that. It's you know, 348 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: it's part of my mythology. I guess I had done 349 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff for the Friar's scope because my 350 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: feeling was always in that period of time when I 351 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: was frustrated that nothing major, you know, I had a 352 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: part here apart there, I would do a lot of 353 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: voiceovers for commercials and things. So I was making cobbling 354 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: a living together, but nothing big was happening. And I 355 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: remember that I was just kept feeling like, just keep 356 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: showing up, just keep showing up, keep doing good work. 357 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: Focus on the work, don't focus on what anybody else 358 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: is doing. You know that this one got this and 359 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: that one had a development deal and you know whatever. 360 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: So I made my bones with the Friar Scope. But 361 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: you had to do because it was all those old stars, 362 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, Alan Kings and exactly. And they were 363 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: not exactly you know, from the school that thought women 364 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: were funny plus if you were halfway decent, and I 365 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: was cute. In those days, they were very confused, used 366 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: because they didn't know if they wanted to fuck you 367 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: or laugh at you. You know, they were very confused. 368 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: And so but I went there and I made my 369 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 2: bones with that. Yeah, so they knew I was good, right, 370 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: stay in the room. And then they were doing the 371 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: roast to Jerry Still, which was gonna be televised. And 372 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: Jean Pierre Trebeau, who ran the Friars Club, that man, 373 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: wonderful man. 374 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, because we did the Palm, we did a bunch. 375 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: Of likes, was a relegant. 376 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 6: Wonderful man. 377 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: I mean he's still alive, I believe, but the Friars 378 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: Club was no more. He pushed for me to be 379 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: on that lineup and they didn't want me. Comedy Central 380 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: didn't want me. I don't know why. Too old to female, 381 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: to Jewish, who the fart knows, you know. But they 382 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: pushed for me, and I think Comedy Central I had 383 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: heard that. They thought, all right, fine, let her do it, 384 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: you know, we'll cut her out, you know, And they paid. 385 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: It was like five grand, which was a lot of 386 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 2: money in those days because most of those sticks exactly. 387 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: So there was like, and well, you know, these roasts 388 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: are really hard. You're in that Hilton Grand ballroom, high 389 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: high ceilings, you're on a big dais. They're just really 390 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: really hard. And I worked really hard on that roast 391 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: and I wrote and it's not the way that I 392 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: usually work. I'm not a setup punch jokey kind of comic, 393 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: and that's what you have to be with a roast. 394 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: You gotta punch it out. 395 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 3: You can't do mean during stories. 396 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: And it's not the way it works. 397 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: So I worked really hard and I had laryngitis. 398 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: I remember this. Danny Ielo was sitting next to me 399 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: on the dais and Danny got bless him. I loved Danny. 400 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 3: I was like, Danny, I can't talk afland dress. 401 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: He wouldn't shut up. He wouldn't shut up, like I'm 402 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: just like nodding. Luckily you could just talk. 403 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 6: He wasn't talk and. 404 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: I'm just and I would like open my mouth. Nothing 405 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: was coming out on the diisdas and You're like, nothing 406 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: was coming out. And I mean I had gone to 407 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: the E n T. They gave me general I was 408 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: like serious and part of it, I don't know if 409 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: it was nerves, could have been nerves, could have been emotional. 410 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: I killed. I killed. So Larry sees the roast and 411 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: don't forget Jerry, you know, famously played George's father. So 412 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: he watched the roast. He saw the roast and he 413 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: called me up and I'll never forget the phone. I 414 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: remember it like it was yesterday. Susie, Hey, it's l D. 415 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, hi, for you in ten years. 416 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: What do you want. I'm doing a show and I 417 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: want to give you a part on the show. I said, 418 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: all right, well what's the part. Don't worry about it. 419 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: Don't worry about the part. I said, well, send me 420 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: a script. There's no script and there's no money. You 421 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: have to do it for scale and you're gonna have 422 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: to fly yourself out. I was like, I'm fine doing 423 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: it for scale, but I'm not gonna cost me money. 424 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: They cobbled together some money. They flew me out of coat. 425 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: I stayed in some shithole in Venice, some like really 426 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: flea bag hotel. And that was the first season I 427 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: was making day scale and that was you know, we 428 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: never thought that I would be here today telling this tale. 429 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 4: Did you ever think that Susie Green would become an icon? 430 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, honestly. 431 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: I know, at some point that became clear to me. 432 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 6: It did. 433 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point, you know. Well, I mean, but 434 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: many many at the time. Every season Larry would say, 435 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: first of all, I had no contract. I was day 436 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: player for many seasons. 437 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 5: Really that's not job security. 438 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: No job security. I think for the first seven seasons 439 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 2: I was guest star day player. After a few seasons 440 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: they paid me more money, but I still had no 441 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: guarantee you know, I mean people who know, to the business, 442 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 2: you want to guarantee all episodes, you know, all that stuff. 443 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: So and when I say I was making more money, 444 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: really nothing like we're thirty five hundred episode and I 445 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: would do maybe five episodes, nothing that I could live on. 446 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: But it did raise my profile so I could go 447 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 2: out and make money doing stand up, which is what 448 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: I was able to do. But every season we said 449 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: that's it, we're not doing another one, and okay, so 450 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: then he would come back the next season. I didn't 451 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: know if I was on, I didn't know if he 452 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: was going to come back, so there was no job 453 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: security at all. Around season three, I started to notice 454 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 2: anecdotally a lot of people stopping me on the street 455 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: in New York. So it started to become a little 456 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: more popular, and by season five he was using me 457 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: a lot. And then I started to feel like he's 458 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: not going to do this without me, and he didn't, honestly, 459 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: and I love him so much. He's a good guy, 460 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: not just because he gave me a career. It's just 461 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: he's one of the most loyal, generous people you could 462 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: ever know. 463 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 5: Really, that's really beautiful thing to say. 464 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 4: You know, I have to you work with someone for 465 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 4: a long time, especially in showbiz, as you know. 466 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's actually we're closer than ever really, Yes, 467 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: we just keep you know. Part of it is the 468 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: way that we work on Curb. 469 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: I'm not telling any anything new. We don't have a script. 470 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: It's all improvised, really amazing, it's fantastic. It's the greatest way. 471 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: We have a very detailed outline because Larry's all story. 472 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: But when you're working that way with somebody, you have 473 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: to have tremendous amount of trust and respect. And we 474 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: create together. You know, it's almost like I mean, I 475 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: don't want to say it's like sex, because it's not, 476 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: but we're we're making a baby. 477 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Each episode is like creating together. 478 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: So there's something very deep in our connection with one another, 479 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: I think. 480 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 6: Yeah. 481 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: And as time went on, each season. 482 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: He used me more and more and more, and there. 483 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: Was a trust that developed that he got what I 484 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: was doing and wrote more towards it, and I got 485 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: what he wanted and gave more. You know, we just 486 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 2: had a very very sympatico understanding of each other, and 487 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: we we made each other laugh and we got each 488 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: other's comedy. 489 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 5: So, hey, component does you should like? 490 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 4: What is the pressure to sort of understand the outline? 491 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 6: Now? 492 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 4: You know, you know, you know Larry, you're going to 493 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: work that day, but you don't know what's going to happen. 494 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's right, it's is it is it just me? 495 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? For me, it's the most fun because when you 496 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: get a script, if it's well written, hopefully you know 497 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: you memorize your lines and you figure out what you're doing, 498 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: and it's a lot. It's fun if it's well written, 499 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 2: and that's the key to everything. 500 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 3: The script is everything. Yeah, but what Laura Larry is so. 501 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: Oriented. I mean his genius is creating story and you 502 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: could see it from all those Seinfeldts and all the curbs. 503 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: So it's not we know what each scene needs. There's 504 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: an outline with a paragraph that kind of lays out 505 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: what each scene has to happen in each scene, So 506 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: I always know what has to happen in the scene, 507 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: and I know what my I put on my crazy outfits. 508 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: You know what the relationship is, Yeah. 509 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 2: I mean you know, but again that's something I created 510 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 2: wardrobe designer too. 511 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 4: Of Susie Green's character's close change, I mean, like the 512 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 4: whole like La woman like you. 513 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: Just the Beverly Hills housewife, Yeah, hysterical or Miami right, Oh, 514 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: Miami right, kind of very similar. Not everybody reads the outlines, okay. 515 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: For example, for many many seasons, he would not give 516 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: guest stars the outlines. Oh really, because he didn't want 517 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: them coming up with bad sitcom lines. Oh you know 518 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: what I mean, They've been prepared coming into prepared. When 519 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: you're doing improv, you got to listen. Look, you would 520 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: not be so good at doing this podcast if you 521 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: didn't know how to listen. Listening is the key, and 522 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: as the older I get, the more I think it's 523 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: the key to everything everything. So an improv you got 524 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: to listen and respond. There will always be beats. At 525 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 2: some point, I know I'm kicking them out of the house. 526 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: At some point I know I have to maybe give 527 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: a specific line for story purposes. 528 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: But other than that, we're just playing. We're playing, and 529 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 3: it's so much. 530 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 4: Fun right when So when you're when you're playing like that, 531 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 4: it must be difficult. Then you do the scene and 532 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 4: then I say, okay, well we got to redo the scene, 533 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 4: so now how do you bring the fresh piece to 534 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 4: the next scene. 535 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes you do it differently. We do a lot of 536 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: coverage because we have to because it's improvised, and that 537 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: so much happens in the editing on this show what 538 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: we do a lot of takes. Sometimes you do it differently, 539 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: but you can't do it too differently because once we 540 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: kind of set up our marks for where the camera's 541 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 2: got to be, and we always have three cameras going huh. 542 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: You can't change things around too much physically, but you know, 543 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: it's like anything, how do you do scene after see? 544 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: How do you do Broadway? When you do the same 545 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: fucking thing every night? Put a gun to my head 546 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: for that one? You know, you somehow find a way 547 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 2: to make it fresh. Now, I would always have to 548 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: do my scenes over and over again because Larry would 549 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: ruin all my takes giggling. It would just giggle. 550 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 4: I would be the same way. 551 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite? 552 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 4: It's like you know all your children, but like you 553 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 4: have one particular episode or scene. 554 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 5: Or something that you've don There's so many, I mean, 555 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 5: there really are. 556 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: There's so many. But probably my all time favorite is 557 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 2: the Doll because that's from season two. Uh huh, And 558 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: that's that really established Susie and her character, you know, 559 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: and who doesn't love to scream? You get me the 560 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: fucking head, you know what I mean. But you know, 561 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: that's when the first time they played that spaghetti western 562 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 2: music for me and I got a theme song, and 563 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: that's when you first see Larry and Jeff really living 564 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: in fear of Susie, which I enjoy, you know, So 565 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: that's probably my favorite, and it's also it is an 566 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: amazing episode. I mean, it's so well crafted, it's just 567 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: a beautifully Larry's a genius. The way he crafts these episodes. 568 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: You can't I would read the outlines. Oh so that's 569 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: what I was saying about the outline. So he never 570 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: wanted anybody pre preparing lines. He would from the beginning 571 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: he let me read the outlines because he would say 572 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: I didn't pre prepare, and I didn't. But I would 573 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: always read the outline the night before, the morning before 574 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: I would go to set, because I wanted to know 575 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: what the scene needed because more and more over the years, 576 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: he's used me to drive a scene, so I always 577 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 2: need to know. 578 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: All right, what happened before this, what's happening after this. 579 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: What do we need in this scene? And so I 580 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: was always conscious of that without you know, coming up 581 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: with bad sitcom lines. 582 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. 583 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: The only one who would come up with those lines 584 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: ahead of time, Richard Lewis, just because you wanted to 585 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 2: be prepared. Because he's a jokester. He was always coming 586 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: up with lunes and Larry would always make fun of 587 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: him for it. 588 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 4: When was the first time you said, like, fuck, you, Larry, 589 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 4: and that became you realize, like, oh, that's a thing 590 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 4: the way that you because you've always said fuck you 591 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 4: that way, you know, you've been like you're in New. 592 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: Yorker, Yeah, fuck off, Yeah, I'm in New Yorker. 593 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 5: That all of a sudden became a signature. 594 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: I think I think that was the doll where I 595 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: called him a four eyed fuck. The fat thock came 596 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: in season one, right, and that was at Larry's instigation. Really, yeah, 597 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 2: we're doing an episode called the Wire, which is what 598 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: he hired me for. Was the reason he hired me 599 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: because there's a fresh air Jeff brings a fresh air, 600 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: fun kid into the house who robs us blind. And 601 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: his direction to me was, it's the only time he's 602 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: given me direction. I want you to you to rip 603 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: Jeff a new asshole. And I was like, O capable 604 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: of that, you know, So I'm screaming at him and cursing, 605 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: and he kept on pulling me aside, and Larry Charles 606 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: directed that he kept on pulling me aside and saying, 607 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: go further. I was like, I thought I was going 608 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: pretty far, you know, telling fuck you and you fucking asshole. 609 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: But and then Finally, Larry says to me, make fun 610 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: of Jeff's fat and I was like, I don't want 611 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: to do that because that was not my style of 612 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: comedy to make fun of somebody's looks, you know. I 613 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 2: just thought that was low. You know. He's like, just 614 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: do it, just do it. He knows you're just acting. 615 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: So it was the first time I called Jeff a 616 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: fat fuck and that was it. The genie's out of 617 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: the fucking bottle on that one. Baby. 618 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 4: Honestly, it really did become amazing to know when Larry 619 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 4: and Jeff would see you coming into the house or 620 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 4: coming home or whatever, they would use. 621 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 5: It to get busted. 622 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: You know. That's why people would say to me, how 623 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: do you work up that anger? I'm not a method actress. 624 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: I just, you know, I would put on the outfits 625 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: and just become her. I have that ability to just 626 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: become a character if I connect to them, and they 627 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: would constantly provoke me. They get me, gets my kid drunk, 628 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 2: he steals her dog, he gets us kicked out of 629 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: the country club, he steals the salad dressing recipe, whatever 630 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: it is. It's like I didn't have to think too 631 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: far to get pissed off. Jeff is always cheating on me, 632 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: you know, which is you know, not so believable, but whatever. 633 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: The Ralph and Norton is really really what they are, 634 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: one scheme after another, and just like the Honeymooners, in 635 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: that way, nobody learns a lesson. 636 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,239 Speaker 3: And that was the last episode. No lessons learned. There 637 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: was no le because in comedy you don't learn a 638 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 3: lesson word. 639 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 5: Welcome back to table for two. 640 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: Susie is not only one of the funniest people in Hollywood, 641 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: but also very thoughtful. We've known each other for over 642 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: thirty years and have grown a lot over the decades. 643 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: What has it been like raising a family and getting older? 644 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 5: You know, we were. 645 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 4: Talking a little bit earlier about I remember when you 646 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 4: met Jimmy, your husband. You have raised children, you have grandchildren, 647 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 4: like we both have grandparents. 648 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 5: We both have grandchildren. I know, Susie, what happened? We 649 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 5: look good. 650 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: I like getting old. I'll tell you that why you 651 00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: don't get a shit on anymore? 652 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 5: Now you don't. You're free. 653 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: And besides the fact that I do wake up in 654 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 2: the morning with a lot of aches that I didn't 655 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: used to have. The only thing about getting old is 656 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: the loss, you know, I mean, it's just gonna get worse. 657 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: I've just experienced a lot of loss, and that's I mean, 658 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: it's just the natural. It's how things go. I remember 659 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 2: my mother lived into her nineties and all her friends 660 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: were gone, all her contemporaries, all her relatives. She was 661 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: and it's a little lonely when people don't share your memories. 662 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 4: You lose your witnesses, you lose I'm nervous. I see 663 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 4: that a lot now with my generation, their parents, and. 664 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 5: I'm fortunate to have both my parents alive. But you 665 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 5: don't know how you're going to feel until you Yeah, 666 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 5: it happens, but it is something that. 667 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: The parents dying is the natural order of things. Yeah, 668 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: my sister died last year, and it's like, who's going 669 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: to remember Aunt Becky. It was my grandmother's sister, you know. 670 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I have a little sister, which she's ten 671 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: years younger than me. There were so many things that 672 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: I think about my sister to call her. 673 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: And there's nobody else that remembers these things. 674 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: So, yes, I have other friends, and you know, whatever, 675 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: you move forward, and it's important to make young friends. 676 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: But there's a there's a piece of your childhood that 677 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: leaves you yes, and there's a morning that goes with that. 678 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 4: Did you find that when you? Like I found at 679 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 4: some point in my early to mid fifties, I was 680 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 4: just stuck in looking back, and I really it was 681 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 4: like hard, like why did I make that decision? 682 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 5: And why did I do that? 683 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: Like the sort of the regret, the regret and the 684 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 4: wisdom of twenty twenty the hindsight wisdom regret. 685 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 5: And I was like, you're gonna have to stop with 686 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 5: this regret. Like I had to figure out how to pivot. 687 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 2: There's two sides to that. On the one hand, you 688 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 2: have to be aware and conscious and if you make mistakes, 689 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: you have to understand them and you know, learn from them. 690 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: But the other side of that is it's useless. Yeah, 691 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 2: you know, it's really it serves no purpose. Guilt. You know, 692 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 2: conscience serves a purpose because otherwise we're sociopaths. But guilt, Listen, 693 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: I'm fucking Jewish, believe me, my mother inundated that guilt. 694 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 3: I do not do that to my kids at all. 695 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: It was horrible. It serves no purpose to feel guilty, 696 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 2: and the regret, I think you have to understand it 697 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 2: and analyze it and feel what it's really about. But 698 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 2: it eventually it bogs you down in a way that 699 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 2: doesn't let you live a full life completely. 700 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 5: And it really does. And I really do feel too. 701 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 4: With age, I've never felt as good as I feel now. 702 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 703 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 6: I don't mean. 704 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 4: Physically, I just emotionally, emotionally knowing myself, having my voice, 705 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 4: being able to be being. 706 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 2: Happy with yourself. And you know, you've raised a child, 707 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 2: You've been in a successful lawng term relationship. Albeit there's 708 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 2: always relationship issues, you know, Yeah, marriage just fucking hard. 709 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 2: But you've accomplished those things. You've had a full career, Bruce. 710 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 2: You worked all those years in the family business at 711 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: the palm very successfully, but you've created this whole new 712 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: career and for Saua. And how great is that Not 713 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 2: at a young age you didn't start doing that. It's amazing. 714 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, I mean it's amazing. Well, yeah, like 715 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 5: the hustle. 716 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 4: And that was something a new thing that I had 717 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 4: to discover, like how to hustle because I had even 718 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 4: though I worked always super hard in my family's business, right, 719 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 4: it was there, It was there have that I didn't 720 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 4: have to develop that and you had that cushion. 721 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 5: I had that cushion. 722 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 4: I was now in that part of that regret period 723 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 4: was if that hadn't been there, who would I have become? 724 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 2: Well? But then, you know, you could always think about that, 725 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 2: but yeah, it's a waste of time because who you 726 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: became is fabulous. Who would any of you know, it's 727 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 2: a it's a game you could kind of play with 728 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 2: your you know. 729 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 3: I mean, if I hadn't met Jimmy, where would I 730 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: be now? 731 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: And who knows? Maybe I would be better, right, but 732 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 2: I did. That's not how it worked out. I doubt 733 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 2: i'd be better. By the way, Honey, if you're listening, 734 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 2: you were the best thing that happened to me. 735 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 5: But I'll tell you this too. And I said it again. 736 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 4: I had the gift amazingly to be normally or asked 737 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 4: me to be on his podcast years. 738 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: Ago, Norman, and I what a wonderful man he was. 739 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 4: Right, I didn't know normally everything every brilliant show. And 740 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 4: I've met him a couple of times, so I was like, okay, 741 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 4: And I was sitting there with a guy that was 742 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 4: in the restaurant business, but he really homely but he 743 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 4: really wanted to sit and talk to me. 744 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 5: Was being gay and being at the palm in this. 745 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 4: Bastion of header like what I did, So it was 746 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,479 Speaker 4: interested in that. But he said something that I thought 747 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 4: was so fascinating. He goes, and everything I've done in 748 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 4: my life him normally, has brought me to this moment 749 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 4: to be with you right here, right now. Yeah, and 750 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 4: he goes, and now it's gone, it's done, And I 751 00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 4: feel Barri's n. 752 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 5: Everything we've done. 753 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: Norman was a wise man. And Norman was somebody who 754 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 2: was very much in the present, which is why I 755 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 2: think he was able to be creative up until maybe 756 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 2: not one hundred and one, but a hundred. You don't 757 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 2: think the last year was a little iffy, but there's 758 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 2: one hundred and one. But he was very present. And 759 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 2: I and you know, I have some very old friends. 760 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 3: One of my dearest friends is Lee Grant. 761 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 2: Who's ninety eight, and I spoke to her yesterday and 762 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 2: I observe how she lives, and she does not. She's 763 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 2: very present. She's very much in the here and now 764 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 2: and again has watched so many people and her contemporaries 765 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 2: die and whatever, but was smart enough to befriend a 766 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 2: youngster like me, and very much. I don't think that 767 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 2: she suffers from a lot of regrets because there's not 768 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: much she could do about it, and she's living in 769 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 2: the moment. 770 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 4: That is truly the key for us to live in 771 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 4: that moment and to be in the today. Because even 772 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 4: like and when you when you, when you say it, 773 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 4: and I feel it, you feel liberated, You're like free, 774 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 4: You're just feel good. 775 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: And you know, we're healthy hopefully pooh pooh poo can hurrah. 776 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 2: We live a long life. But we almost shit happens. 777 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 5: Shit, we don't know. We all know shit happened. 778 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 2: I never thought my sister was gonna drop dead, you know, 779 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: just it's life throws your curveballs. It's it's a minefield 780 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 2: that you're navigating. So if you're living in the past 781 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 2: and your regrets, besides you do a little bit momentarily 782 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 2: have to think about those things and learn from them, yes, 783 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 2: you absolutely completely, but to but to obsess about them, right, 784 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 2: there's no complete waste of life. 785 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 4: So looking forward or looking in the present, are you 786 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 4: working on things now that? 787 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 2: Yeah? I actually after this, I have a meeting with 788 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 2: with the some people about developing a new show. Yeah, 789 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 2: I still want to work. I love to worry. I 790 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 2: still I feel as though I've been given a gift 791 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 2: to make people laugh. It's something that I'm happy that 792 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 2: I'm able to do, and it's putting a good thing 793 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: out in the world. I still want to make really happy. 794 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 4: The joy of having you sit at this table with me, 795 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 4: and we have sat at tables before, and it has 796 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 4: been time that has passed, and you one of the 797 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 4: special things about our relationship and certain relationships you have 798 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 4: in life, no matter how much time goes, it's nothing. 799 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 5: Looking into your eyes, I am full of so much 800 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 5: love you have been given make me cry. 801 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 6: Well. 802 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 4: You've been given a gift which you have used, and 803 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 4: you have worked hard to make that happen. 804 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 5: And like the admiration I have. 805 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 4: For you for those years of being a woman at 806 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 4: a time when it was difficul to be in the 807 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 4: business that was not locally the talent and now the 808 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 4: world knows it and sees it. It's like I get 809 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 4: such joy knowing felling yes about you. 810 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 2: So I'm in a good place in my life. I'm 811 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 2: in a very good place in my life. Haven't always been, 812 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 2: but you know, and It's an interesting thing because you know, 813 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 2: I'm sure we're talking about this before. You know, I 814 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 2: had rough upbringing, but all of that, whatever I went through, 815 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 2: brought me to a place that all of those skills 816 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 2: that I got because I had a mentally ill mother, 817 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 2: and all of those things have worked. 818 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 6: Now. 819 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 2: Who doesn't like a nice berry? 820 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 4: Honestly, thank you so much, sir, berries and having some 821 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 4: coffee and tea. 822 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 5: Jusey, I love you. 823 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 4: Thank you for joining me on Table for two, and everyone, 824 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 4: have a great week. 825 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 5: See you next week. 826 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: Table for two with Bruce Bosi is produced by iHeartRadio 827 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: seven three seven Park and Airmail. 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