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Speaker 1: Welcome to Forties and Free Agents.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal joined by my friend Daniel Jeremiah for

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Speaker 2: the last time before the NFL Draft. DJ, you have

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Speaker 2: successfully been a guest on every single football podcast in America.

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Speaker 2: I feel like now it's time you don't have to

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Speaker 2: do that anymore.

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Speaker 1: You're graduating. Congratulations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm excited to get the actual draft here.

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Speaker 3: But I did notice, you know, a lot of a

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Speaker 3: lot of media stuff, and they're all dropped in the

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Speaker 3: same day, to the point where I was like, man,

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Speaker 3: maybe I should wardrobe change on these shows. So then

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Speaker 3: you're popping up on people's timeline. It feels like it's

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Speaker 3: something totally new and fresh.

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Speaker 2: No one, No one watches or listens to you for

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Speaker 2: your wardrobe. So it's fine, DJA, you're we're going to

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Speaker 2: go through for the very last time.

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Speaker 1: Not you could have.

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Speaker 3: Probably stopped with the watches or listens and then just

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Speaker 3: left the rest.

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Speaker 1: Now. I mean, Forties and Free Agents is a hit.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know.

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Speaker 2: We might we might have to do this past season,

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Speaker 2: but we got one more before the draft, and we

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Speaker 2: do have one more after the draft. So if you're listening,

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Speaker 2: this is not our last one, but I do feel

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Speaker 2: like we've been on a journey here together. And as

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Speaker 2: we wrap up later in the show, we'll look at

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Speaker 2: some teams we think maybe our only one good draft

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Speaker 2: away that might surprise you from really mattering some teams,

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Speaker 2: maybe to just you know, pump the brakes on a

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Speaker 2: little bit. But before we get into draft week, I guess,

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Speaker 2: now that you've been through the process, you've watched every

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Speaker 2: single player, you have decided to make a change. Your

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Speaker 2: top one hundred and fifty prospects list is out, and

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter is going to be the guy when you

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Speaker 2: look back years from now, is number one? Why the

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Speaker 2: move at the last minute over Abdull Carter?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of a process of getting there. I

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Speaker 3: had the same grades on Carter and on Hunter, and

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Speaker 3: I had Carter from the jumps as the number one guy,

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Speaker 3: And part of that's just a core belief in building

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Speaker 3: front to back right. It's a pass rusher. It's more

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Speaker 3: of a premium position than someone who plays on the perimeter.

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Speaker 3: But there's also the unique aspect of Travis Hunter and

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Speaker 3: all that he brings and the chance to play, you know,

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Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball. At least to major

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Speaker 3: been I'd been toying with it of like gosh, do

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Speaker 3: learned more and more about Hunter. To be honest, it

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Speaker 3: was more learning about Hunter the person. Not a knock

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Speaker 3: on Abdol Carter, but just the wiring of Hunter is

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Speaker 3: so off the charts, and that was a big factor

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Speaker 3: I decided to make the change. As we were covering

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Speaker 3: that was just like I don't know why it's such.

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Speaker 3: It seems like such a small and significant thing. But

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Speaker 3: or at least you know, he's going to you know,

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Speaker 1: There is something to that.

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Speaker 2: Whenever, like Roger Federer was winning some long five set

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Speaker 1: Mind though, was on our last show.

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Speaker 2: I hate to bring this up, but you know I

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Speaker 2: was pushing you, saying, how can you not have Travis

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Speaker 2: History will not look back on you fondly? And here

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Speaker 3: Here? Well, I feel like this is maybe I don't

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Speaker 3: just start listening more. Maybe that's the lesson in this

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Speaker 3: you know, look at my notes. What else have I

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Speaker 3: got to talk about. Maybe I'm just not listening to

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Speaker 3: you as the point, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that would be a coach coaching

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Speaker 2: point if you get any of those emails from our

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Speaker 2: we've gotten to the end of this process, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: Carter's a strong number two. I guess as we get

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Speaker 2: how has the draft.

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Speaker 1: Changed to you? Like, what stands out the most to you?

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Speaker 3: Well, to me, I feel like there's you know, a

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's little variants. I feel like I

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Speaker 3: So for me, that's that you get a couple tight

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Speaker 3: gent the running back in there, the two the we've mentioned,

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Speaker 3: in the draft, Mason Graham would be in there as well.

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Speaker 3: So that group right there, Jalen Carter, I guess was that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I said him, but that's that

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Speaker 3: And then after that, really Greg, there's not much difference

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Speaker 2: And I certainly don't need to tell you this, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not the only one that would disagree with you

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Speaker 2: on that group, even I think more than other classes.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a list of four or five and it

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Speaker 1: The first round?

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Speaker 2: And there's probably more than one answer to this. But

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Speaker 2: after listening to Andrew Berry the Browns GM speak on

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Speaker 2: to Show Hey and that they have a vision that

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Speaker 2: Show Hey like special nature to him. I'm just thinking

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Speaker 2: for them to do, which is take Travis Hunter. So

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Speaker 2: I really do feel like I know our NFL network

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Speaker 2: executives wouldn't like this. There's not a lot of mystery

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Speaker 2: with that, and if so, where do you think the

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Speaker 2: big inflection point is in this draft?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know. You know, with Travis Hunter, if

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Speaker 3: he needs to have that box of all thirty two

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Speaker 3: I guess they don't crease hats anymore, right, that's probably

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Speaker 3: showing my age, but I would probably be creasing that

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Speaker 3: way it's going. So you mentioned inflection points, Well, inflection

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Speaker 3: draft start at three. Do the Giants take one? Do

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Speaker 3: you know, the best available player that's staring them right

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Speaker 3: nine with New Orleans, you know, the Derek Carr news

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Speaker 3: like to me three nine twenty one, those neighborhoods are

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're talking about potential trades, potential trade ups.

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Speaker 2: If you look at this class as being one where

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Speaker 2: everyone's got a little different opinions, and then you throw

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Speaker 2: in you mentioned the Derek Carr situation. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of potential veterans that could be traded over the three days.

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Speaker 2: Just a quick list, Jalen Ramsey, Dallas Godder, Mark Andrews,

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Speaker 2: the top of the draft. Tyreek Hill, I could even

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Speaker 1: Who knows.

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Speaker 2: When you look at those two things combined, the veterans

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Speaker 2: lot of these players. Do you think that's going to

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Speaker 2: be more trades less trades? Maybe you don't get the

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Speaker 2: full value of the draft chart, Like, how do you

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Speaker 2: think that actually plays out on Draft night?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, to be honest with you, and I

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Speaker 3: can you know, I can give you different examples of

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Speaker 3: bunch of teams in trade back scenarios, they're interested in

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Speaker 3: collecting future picks, so that's something they're interested in. I

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Speaker 3: think there's a lot of people that would love to

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Speaker 3: put the car in reverse, but I can't find a

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Speaker 3: lot of people that want to put the car and

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Speaker 3: drive in terms of moving up for guys, so you

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Speaker 3: never know for sure on that. There's teams that you

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Speaker 3: could say, like Philadelphia is a team to me who

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Speaker 3: has an army of picks next year. I think they

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Speaker 3: I could see them packaging some picks later on in

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Speaker 2: I can't say I know a lot about Kyle McCord,

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Speaker 1: But who knows.

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Speaker 2: You've been giving away a lot of good advice and

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Speaker 2: And if you're gonna give goodies like that to him,

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Speaker 3: I got it all in oh worried about long answers, Well,

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Speaker 2: Could have had more, But you did a good job there.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the heat that I gave you for

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about some teams going into the

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are back on forties and free agents, and

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Speaker 1: But I just wanted to make the case.

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Speaker 2: of guys you know in the secondary last year that

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Speaker 2: that looked pretty good for them, Drew Phillips and and

438
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Speaker 2: I like.

439
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Speaker 1: What they have. The giants to be are not that

440
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Speaker 1: far away? Do you agree?

441
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Speaker 2: And does all of this not matter if you don't

442
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 2: get quarterback figured out?

443
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm gonna get there. But to me, okay,

444
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 3: how do they do it well? Abdell Carter comes in there. Now,

445
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 3: you fortify a strength, you become a chance to have

446
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 3: a really dominant defensive front, and Dexter, you know, what

447
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 3: he is. He is an incredible player. Now you've got

448
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 3: a rotation of guys you can roll through there. It

449
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,119
Speaker 3: will be interesting to see what they do with the

450
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,880
Speaker 3: fifth year option with Thibodeau sidebar there, but no abdul Carter.

451
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 3: To me, that jumps up that side of the ball.

452
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 3: This team couldn't score last year. Greg. I mean, and

453
00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 3: it's all you know. You can point towards the offensive line, injuries, quarterback,

454
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 3: It's hard to point in any other direction. Feel better

455
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 3: about the offensive line running those guys out there every week,

456
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 3: that that's gonna be functional. Can they just get functional

457
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 3: quarterback play? You know, that's that's gonna be what it

458
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 3: all comes down to. But I do think, yeah, that's

459
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 3: a defensive line that's a nightmare to prepare for, especially

460
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 3: you throw in abdul Carter. So now I think they

461
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 3: are I think they're a candidate to make a jump.

462
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,439
Speaker 3: The question is in that division. Man, it's gonna be

463
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Speaker 3: hard to go from you know, three win team to

464
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 3: a playoff team. But could this team hover around five

465
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 3: hundred and be in contention. I think that's more than possible.

466
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Speaker 1: Man.

467
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Speaker 2: I think the ceiling is even a little higher because

468
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Speaker 2: I look at other teams that are rebuilding at the

469
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Speaker 2: top of the draft, like the Patriots and the Raiders,

470
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 2: and yes, they have the big edge at quarterback, but

471
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: to me, they have so many more needs and they

472
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 2: have so many fewer dudes at all the other positions

473
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Speaker 2: that when I went through it, and yeah, Tyler Nuban

474
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 2: was the other name at safety who is pretty solid

475
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 2: for them that I like. Is just they have a

476
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 2: lot of answers to me and Jameis Winston and Russell

477
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Speaker 2: Wilson at least this will be floor raisers based on

478
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 2: what they got out of quarterback a year ago. And

479
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: then if I'm a I'm a Giants fan, I'm hoping,

480
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: you know, they can hit on someone and they have

481
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 2: a good quarterback coach in Brian's aims.

482
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Speaker 3: So here's my reservation. Yeah, the two quarterbacks that you

483
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 3: just mentioned just came from organizations that need quarterbacks and

484
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 3: decided they did not want to proceed with those quarterbacks

485
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 3: that you just mentioned. And to make a big leap,

486
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 3: it's just hard to make a gigantic leap when you've

487
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 3: got to play everyone in your division twice. And unless

488
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 3: you are going to shockingly disagree with me, they are

489
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 3: going to have the fourth best quarterback in that division.

490
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Speaker 2: No, you're You're right there. I guess Giants fans know

491
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: better than most, though. You can have some okay teams

492
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 2: that go ten and seven and eleven and six and

493
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: make the playoffs.

494
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: He they won a super Bowl. That way, Go ahead, DJ,

495
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: You're next.

496
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Speaker 3: No, I like that. I like that one for a team.

497
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Speaker 3: I actually went with another team in New York that

498
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 3: I thought could make the jump. Again, this isn't We're

499
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 3: not saying this is the Eagles, but the Jets to

500
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 3: me are a team that I could see making a

501
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: little bit of leap. They have a lot of blue players,

502
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: like when you just go around and start looking at

503
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 3: like premier players on rosters. Yeah, they have some holes

504
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 3: they need to clean up. They lost a lot of

505
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: their secondary. You know, there's one offensive line need that

506
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: they have there at right tackle. But man, they've got

507
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 3: a lot of blue chip players, and I think where

508
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: they are in this draft, I think they could solve

509
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 3: the right tackle issue right away and that all of

510
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 3: a sudden becomes a really really good young offensive line

511
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: with a lot of talent. With Fashanu out there, Vera

512
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: Tucker Tipman at center. If they can run all those

513
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: guys out there for the entire season, they'll be solid.

514
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 3: The running backs, they're extremely loaded fields. I'm hoping they

515
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: cut him loose as a runner. I just think this

516
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: team when you look at the collection of players, they're

517
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: really good on the defensive line, They've got a premier linebacker,

518
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 3: and then you get Sauce Gardner back up and running.

519
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 3: But you hire a coach with the secondary background. Now

520
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 3: they're a team to me. I know. I feel like

521
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 3: we say this every years, the Jets is a team

522
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 3: to watch. I don't think they're that far away from

523
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: being a playoff team. I really don't.

524
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: I don't say it every year, but I was going

525
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: to say it this year, and this makes me wonder.

526
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: Were you looking at the document that we send out

527
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: before the show, because this was my second pick.

528
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 3: I feel like you just cheated me, right, they were

529
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: my first. So I wrote down three teams and we

530
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: had crossover with one team with the Jets, but the

531
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: Jets were my number one team because I was looking

532
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: at who takes a big leap and they were the

533
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: team that I had taken the biggest leap.

534
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

535
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: I can't believe how they're viewed right now, like in Vegas,

536
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: they're viewed as three wins worse than the Patriots, which

537
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 2: seems absolutely crazy. I might take the Jets in that,

538
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: and you're right, maybe they'll get a right tackle right

539
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: off the top of armand Membu, although I kind of

540
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: hope the Patriots take him.

541
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Speaker 1: That's my hope.

542
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: But just a little bit of juice in terms of

543
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: their pass rush and just improved offensive coaching, which isn't

544
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: about fixing the roster.

545
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

546
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: The offensive line is in better shape, and they bring

547
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: in Tanner Engstrom from Detroit, and you hope you can

548
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: bring some of that creativity on the offensive side, and

549
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: I think they would look.

550
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: A lot better.

551
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 2: Let's how about another team I'm going to throw out

552
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: for you, and it it's a team that when I

553
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 2: look at the roster, they certainly need more blue chip players.

554
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: It's a different argument than I think the Giants and

555
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: the Jets have in that the Jaguars to me, don't

556
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: have a lot of true difference makers.

557
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: But you're drafting at five.

558
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: You mentioned the new process that's going on there, and

559
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: maybe they take Ash and Genty and that's a blue

560
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: chipper at running back, And I look at a team

561
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 2: that to me doesn't have a lot of huge holes,

562
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 2: that they're good enough in a lot of spots.

563
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: And I don't like their secondary.

564
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: You got to hit on someone in this draft, but

565
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: I think they're a team that's good enough. And I

566
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: also look at the schedule and I think who can

567
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: pop up and they're in this AFC South that the

568
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: out of division schedule isn't too bad either. They weren't

569
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: as good as they were in twenty twenty three. I

570
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: think they're a little better than people. They weren't as

571
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: bad as they looked in twenty twenty four, and I

572
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: think maybe it lands here. The jump that people expected

573
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: a year ago might happen now under the new coaching staff.

574
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the things that just kind of surprised

575
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: you because I think Etn has a good reputation as

576
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: a player. This team was who were they twenty eighth

577
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: or twenty sixth? My eyes aren't great, twenty sixth in

578
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: rushing yards per game? So man, you get you jump

579
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: start the offense, You go out and you get Ashton

580
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: gent plug him in there. And even if they can

581
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 3: get up to twelfth or thirteenth, think of all the

582
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 3: pressure that's gonna take off of Trevor Lawrence. And I

583
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: know you're obviously a big fan as am I, but

584
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Junior, as great as he was last year,

585
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: there's another gear like he can even get better. So

586
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what that looks like going forward.

587
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean, him getting better would be top eight receiver

588
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: in the entire He's.

589
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: Got that ability he does. There's no hole, there's nothing

590
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: he lacks.

591
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm with you there.

592
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: And they talked about interior line and improving that position

593
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: to help Trevor Lawrence out, and they did it in

594
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: free agency. Robert Hainsey, Patrick McCary from the Ravens. Hansey

595
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: was from the Bucks, who who Liam Cohen has worked

596
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: with before, And yeah, I just I look at that

597
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: team they were. I don't think it's the same situation

598
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: as the Bills because it's a different coaching staff in

599
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: place here. But when you look at the Bills when

600
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: they first made the playoffs with John McDermott and it

601
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: was Tyrod and then they took a big step back

602
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: in year two, but they were still building up what

603
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: they wanted to do. I do think this roster is

604
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: in better shape. Where now the year, now three years

605
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: removed from when they made the playoffs, still look better.

606
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: Who else did you write down? So you wrote down

607
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: the Jets as a team that could improve.

608
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: Who else?

609
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: Yeah? I wrote down the Bears? You know. I just

610
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: think I love what they did in free agency, aggressively

611
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: looking at that offensive line and getting better there. I

612
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: think where they're positioned in the draft, I think they

613
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 3: can get a big time impact player at ten. They

614
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 3: have two second round picks, which means I think, I mean,

615
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: I think they've got a chance to You look at

616
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: their current roster as it is, which is not bad.

617
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: Defense is really talented. They've addressed the offensive line. I

618
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: think you can come out of this with a running

619
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: back and one of those three picks, like a dynamic runner,

620
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: no matter where you decide to take him. With those

621
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 3: three picks, you're going to get an upgrade over what

622
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: you're playing with with Swift and then now, okay, we

623
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: can get an offensive lineman in there, like you're going

624
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: to get three starters, three quality starters added to a

625
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: team that has upgraded. The offensive line, has upgrade, did

626
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: the play calling and the coordination offensively with one of

627
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: the most creative minds in Ben Johnson, Like, I don't

628
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: know if a team has has done more like added,

629
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: you know, upgraded at so many different spots, both on

630
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: the field and on the sideline. Is the Chicago Bears.

631
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: I hate to agree with you because maybe do.

632
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: You have them on your list?

633
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: No, no, it was they weren't on my list. Maybe

634
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: it's a personal bias. Three straight years going into the

635
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: season on NFL Daily and then back on the Around

636
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: the NFL podcast, we do this thing where we pick

637
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: over runners going to the year, and I thought the

638
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: Bears were maybe the most overrated team in the league

639
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: three straight years, Like I didn't see the vision. Every

640
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: offseason everyone gets excited about the Bears, the fan base.

641
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: Does they think it's at this time?

642
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: I think it makes more sense than it ever has

643
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: before because of the coaching staff.

644
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: I agree, because of the.

645
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Coaching staff, because of the almost mistakes that they've built

646
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: into the roster. Is Grady Jarra and Dio and Dengbo

647
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: both gonna work?

648
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't.

649
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: I don't think so. But you look at the drafts

650
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: that they've had lately with Girvon Dexter, who's a good

651
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: young player and then the pick up that they had

652
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: with Montes set like they don't both need to work.

653
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: They have a lot of good players on the both lines.

654
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: And that's kind of where I look for all these teams,

655
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: like are you good enough on the offensive and defensive line?

656
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: And I think the Bears get over that mark. And

657
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: then now you're adding the coach and some of the

658
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: sizzle in this draft.

659
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: Who is I know you're a fan of I know

660
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: you're a fan of good bones on HGTV. You just

661
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: strike me as that type of guy, Greg, But that's

662
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: what they have. They have, they have bones. They have

663
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 3: good solid structure here to build off of.

664
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: I am a cheek bone guy, you know. That's that's

665
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: what I like. I mean, I guess who is it?

666
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, who's your third?

667
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: I don't really know where you want me to go

668
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: with that, but what's your next what's your next one? That? Yeah, yeah,

669
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: I have the Ravens would be the last one. Just

670
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: fix the defense and they're the team that's like, that's

671
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: the Eagles. Uh comp right? Eagles? Last year? To me,

672
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: the secondary was their achilles heel. They kind of fell

673
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: apart the year before at the end of the year.

674
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: But that was their need and they hammered it in

675
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: the draft with those first two picks with Mitchell and

676
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: with Cooper dejen they solve their problems in a way.

677
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: They went defensively, and there's other changes on the obviously

678
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: Saquon coming in and choosing things up a little bit.

679
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: But I just look at the Ravens and their pass defense,

680
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: and if they can add a corner and a pass

681
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: rusher in the draft, that might be enough for them

682
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: to get finally get over the hump and get to

683
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl.

684
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in a spot that you want to be,

685
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: which is you have the base of a extremely consistent

686
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: and explosive, productive offense, and yet you have some areas

687
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: on the team that you need to improve. They quietly

688
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: had I wouldn't call them rebuilding the last couple of years,

689
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: but they had so many changes that they had to

690
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: make with the core of that team, and they did

691
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: it successfully while still winning a ton of games.

692
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Why right on the fly, you're your old boss.

693
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: Is Eric DaCosta and Ozzie Newsom like making it happen?

694
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: And I kind of quietly thought, and especially last offseason,

695
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: they were almost rebuilding and yet they come out and

696
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: they have a great regular season and now just a

697
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 2: couple of pieces to put them over the top.

698
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: The Falcons are maybe the other team.

699
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: I would just throw out there where obviously you have

700
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: the bones of a good offensive team there, you don't

701
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: have a lot of transition, you have continuity on the

702
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball, and can you just add

703
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: a couple of difference makers. The only thing that holds

704
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: me back is, like we've been saying this for years,

705
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who's running this team, whether it's Terry

706
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: Fonteau or not, Like you just need a couple difference

707
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: makers because I think you have the right defensive coach

708
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: to make it happen. So the Falcons would be the

709
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: other team. And I don't think they'll necessarily ignore offense.

710
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: It's not like it's not like they couldn't add another

711
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: offensive lineman get younger.

712
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: There if they really felt like that was the right fit.

713
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: But ultimately it's about defensive difference makers I think for

714
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: the top of the draft, and I do don't think

715
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: the Falcons are too far away, as they showed last

716
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: year with up and down quarterback play, and they weren't

717
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: too far away from making the playoffs.

718
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. That's a division too. I mean,

719
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: Tampa has kind of had a stranglehold on it, but

720
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: I feel like it's pretty bunched together there in that division.

721
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: So the littlest improvement could make a big difference there.

722
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: All Right, some teams kind of to go negative to

723
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: wrap things up here that maybe you would pump the

724
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 2: brakes on. Maybe it's more than just one draft to

725
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: improve this team, that the team actually does have a

726
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: lot of needs.

727
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Quietly, who would you throw out there to start?

728
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: Well, I would just say Houston, and Houston's a playoff

729
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: team last year Houston. I was in the building when

730
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: they beat the brakes off the Chargers, and they have

731
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: a dominant, dominant front seven and it's secondary. I mean,

732
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: the the whole defense is really really good. But they've undergone,

733
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: undergone this process and project of revamping an offensive line

734
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: that was broken, and I understand the thought press process

735
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: behind it, and Laramie Tunzel is a very gifted player,

736
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: but I think that was more along the lines of,

737
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: you know, okay, is this the is he the right

738
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: guy to kind of captain this offensive line to raise

739
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: up everyone else's level? And they came to the conclusion

740
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: by trading him that he wasn't so there is a

741
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: talent drain there when he leaves. You already weren't good there.

742
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: They brought in a bunch of guys that I don't

743
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: know that the talent overwhelms you. They're they're banking on

744
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: kind of a sum is greater than the individual parts,

745
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: and I think they'll continue to add to it here

746
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: in the draft. But that just seems like, Man, there's

747
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: a lot of uneasiness for me with that offensive line,

748
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: and it's hard to be a consistent team of a

749
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: dominant team when you have those types of question marks.

750
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: So the Houston offensive line more so than the Houston team,

751
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: if that makes any sense. It's just causing me some reservation.

752
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: It does make sense.

753
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: And yet I have seen teams fix their offensive line quickly,

754
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: just from god awful and terrible to average pretty quickly

755
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: with coaching and just decent players. And maybe I'm just

756
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: an optimist here, but I look at the Texans have

757
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: something we know, which is a marauding defense, and one

758
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: of the best defensive coaches in the league that has

759
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: has the ear of his entire team, and they've got.

760
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: A quarterback that I completely believe in that.

761
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm not worried at all about what happened a year

762
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: ago that I think is going to be ready to

763
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: bounce back. So I'm not agreeing with you on this one.

764
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: I just want to see what happens with the offensive line.

765
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: I don't I mean, I love the defense, and to me,

766
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: like Demiko Matt Burke, like that's as good of a

767
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: combination of guys on the defensive brain trust, and you know,

768
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: I love Stroud. I mean Stroud, I've seen it. He's

769
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: like he's got some some stone cold killer to him,

770
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: like he's uh, he's he's he's legit. But I just, man,

771
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: that's that's that offensive line TBD. I'm gonna have a

772
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: little more caution and concern there than you are.

773
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think anything is gonna happen to Jaden

774
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: Daniels in year two that happened to c. J. Stroud

775
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: in terms of the offensive line just completely collapsing in

776
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: front of him. I do think they'll have kind of

777
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: a two point zero version of this offense and start

778
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: adding new wrinkles. And yet you look at a team historically,

779
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: any team that improves as much as the Commanders did

780
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: in one year if you look at it statistically, traditionally

781
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: takes a step back the next year, and there's many

782
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: reasons for that, but there's just not a lot of

783
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 2: young core pieces. And I think Adam Peters did an

784
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: incredible job. A year goes making all those one year

785
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: contracts for veterans, and a lot of them like Bobby

786
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: Wagner are back this year. Zach Ertz like, they can

787
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: still get it done this year, and they had a

788
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: good draft.

789
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: But when I look.

790
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: At their overall talent level and I compare them to

791
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: let's say that Dallas Cowboys and even I'll throw in

792
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: the New York Giants in their division, I don't see

793
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: a big gap.

794
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: Now.

795
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: I see a gap in a quarterback that you're excited

796
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: about for the next ten years. Of course, but the

797
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: expectations are going to be so high. To me, is

798
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: the talent base really there for them to be the

799
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: runaway second best team in that division?

800
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think so.

801
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: I still think the Cowboys and the Giants are going

802
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: to be harder games in the division for them this year,

803
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: and some of their young players, if they can hit

804
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: on another draft, sure like that will be a great

805
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: base to build off of.

806
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: But that's tough. So I think they might be a

807
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: little further away than commanders fans want to admit.

808
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: Now we've talked about this a little bit, but to me, look,

809
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 3: they did. They accomplished two things to put the record

810
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: in the run that they went on a side. They

811
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: changed the quarterback, they changed the culture they get on

812
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: both that made a drastic difference. But it doesn't change

813
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 3: the fact that when you look at before they got

814
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: there and twenty three their first round pick was Emmanuel Forbes,

815
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: and twenty two it was Johan Dotson, and twenty one

816
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: it was jam and Davis, in twenty twenty it was

817
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: Chase Young. None of those guys there. So the nucleus

818
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: of what should be your young core guys they arrived

819
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: that didn't exist. They band aidd the crud out of

820
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: that group last year with all these one year deals,

821
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: and they made it work and it all kind of

822
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: clicked and it all came together. That to me is

823
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: as a's a tight rope to walk that way and

824
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: try and get to the finish line when you're having

825
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 3: to piece this thing together. And it's no fault of

826
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: their own. They did a great job last year, but

827
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: they're going to need a couple drafts to accumulate before

828
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: you know, they can get out of this little rut

829
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: that they're in. In terms of band aids, they're having

830
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: a band aid a lot of stuff, right.

831
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: I think they told a lot of what they did

832
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: in free agency because to me, it could work out

833
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: great and then they'll be where their fans want them

834
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: to be. To me, Deebo Samuel is a boomer bus

835
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: pick up. Javon Kinlaw is a boomer bus pickup. Marshall Lattimore,

836
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: just based on the amount of time that he's missed

837
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: over the last few years, is a boomer bus pickup.

838
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: And so if you hit three booms there, you're looking great.

839
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't shock me if you run into some

840
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: struggles with some of those pickups. Do you have another

841
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: team that you would throw out there?

842
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: You know, the one team? And this is an interesting

843
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 3: one because I think this team's going to be a

844
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: playoff team. They were a playoff team last year. I

845
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: think they're really good. Is green Bay like I to me,

846
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 3: the thing that green Bay needs there, I don't see

847
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: how they're going to acquire They got to draft their

848
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: butts off, then maybe they can. They can do it.

849
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 3: But Greg, when I look at their team, I see

850
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: so many good players, Like, they've got a lot of

851
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: good players. Good players raise the floor, great players raise

852
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: the ceiling, and I just I don't know how many

853
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: like true blue guys they have, like true like elite

854
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: top five at their position players. I think got a

855
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: lot a lot of good guys. They just need somebody

856
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: that when it's third down, you're like, Okay, gosh, this

857
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: is where the ball's going and luck stopping this guy.

858
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: I don't think they have that player. When you go

859
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: to the other side of the ball and it's you know,

860
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: who's gonna who's gonna dominate? Who do you have to

861
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: game plan against on their defense, I think, well, they

862
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 3: got a lot of good players. I don't know there's

863
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: one guy that we need to build our game plan around.

864
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: So to me, that's my that's my only issue there.

865
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: And I'm saying this, they're going to be a playoff team.

866
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: They're well coached, they're well run. I just don't know

867
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: when you stack them up with the other elite teams

868
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 3: in the league, if they have as many of those

869
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 3: marquee like Premier Premier guys and what you win the

870
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: way that they've won. I don't think they're in position,

871
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: you know, draft wise, to get one unless they just

872
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: knock it out of the park.

873
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: See what you should do if our social person is

874
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: watching so that we start getting the great clips is

875
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: skip all that part about you thinking that they were

876
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: a playoff team again and a lot of good players and.

877
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: Just go to the context and.

878
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: And I think Packerstans will be upset.

879
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: Please don't do that.

880
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: I mean, because this is a team that went into

881
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: last year, is one of the favorites to represent the NFC,

882
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: so there there's high expectation there. But you're absolutely right

883
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: that the the wide receiver position, maybe even the offensive line,

884
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: heck even Jordan Love. Maybe they are all representative of

885
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: really good players, but where are the standouts and the

886
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: defense stars hasn't really performed to the level of the

887
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: talent that was there. I think they could be better

888
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: in year two, but yeah, they need to start hitting

889
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: on some guys like Jayra Alexander. He was not a

890
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: high pick. He was Guda Kun's first ever Pickie.

891
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: Cooper Adrian Cooper is the one that I think has

892
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: a chance to elevate into that category. Is someone you

893
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: have to worry about in game plan.

894
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: Around and you know what you don't want and is

895
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: to be paying guys a lot of money that aren't

896
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 2: premier players. And Kenny Clark last year did not play

897
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: like a premier player. He has been throughout his career,

898
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: but last year did not. Alexander, who is still on

899
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: the roster, and he's another name I could add to

900
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: the potential trades, hasn't played because he hasn't been on

901
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: the field like a premier player. Rassan Gary has been

902
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: up and down. I think it was partly because he

903
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: was coming off the injury last year. Maybe it was

904
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 2: a fit Wyatt is a first round pick who again

905
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: is a good player. So you're putting a lot of

906
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: resources Kuai Walker into this defensive side of the ball

907
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 2: and you're not getting elite elite production.

908
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna.

909
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: It's going to be such a plot twist when the

910
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: social team just clips off what you just did and

911
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: sends that out.

912
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: Now, I've just run myself into trouble.

913
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: I actually think this next one would be would be

914
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: one that they would like to I mean the category

915
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: was team to pump the brakes on. So we're like

916
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: putting ourselves in a box here where you almost need

917
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: to be negative. But I would just make the point

918
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: that the Cincinnati Bengals have had Joe Burrow and t

919
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: Higgins and Jamar Chase. It's so exciting that they could

920
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: sign them all long term and that got everyone in

921
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: Cincinnati getting over their worst fears that they weren't going

922
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: to do it. They've had them on the field the

923
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 2: last couple of years, not all the time, but when

924
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow was starting DJ they are fourteen and thirteen

925
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: over a two year span, and so I look at

926
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: their roster right now. They haven't really addressed the defense

927
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: at all. You're suddenly saying, like getting rid of lou

928
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: An Rouma, who's been a good coordinator overall, is somehow

929
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: going to fix everything. And then we're also back to

930
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: where we were a couple of years ago.

931
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: I look at that.

932
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: Interior offensive line and they're still an issue.

933
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: And so.

934
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: I hate to bring up bad memories when you're the Bengals,

935
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: but there are certain organizations that you look at and

936
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: you think like they should have been better over the

937
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: last two years with Joe Burrow, and so I think

938
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: they maybe are a little further away than people think

939
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: when you look at the overall roster and you look

940
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: in Vegas and they are tied right now for the

941
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: best team in the league in terms of predicted over underwins,

942
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: right with the Ravens and the Chiefs and the Eagles,

943
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: and they definitely aren't in that category. To me, I

944
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: think they really need a good draft here.

945
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: DJ Well, I'm I'm a fan of everything lou and

946
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: Rumo is accomplished in what he's done as a coach,

947
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: and I think he's well respected. But the last year, Greg,

948
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned when you have Burrow and you

949
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: have Higgins and you have Jamar Chase and they're not

950
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: winning ballgames. And you know, I look at their schedule

951
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: last year. They scored thirty three and lost to one Washington.

952
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: They scored thirty eight and lost to Baltimore. They scored

953
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: thirty four, lost to Baltimore again. They scored thirty eight

954
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: and lost to Pittsburgh. Like that is a pretty simple

955
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: defensive problem that they have. And that's why in this draft,

956
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: you know, offensive players need not apply. Just take the

957
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: entire defensive side of the ball, and you've got to

958
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: upgrade it there. Offensively, they're going to be fine. They've

959
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: got this group together. They're going to score points. They

960
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: can't continue to lose games. When you're scoring over thirty

961
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: points in the league, you just can't do it right.

962
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 2: But when you look at the depth chart, it's all

963
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: the same guys, Like I hope Trey Hendrickson is still there.

964
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: If you trade him away, you're worried.

965
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: I really thought they would add some speed at the

966
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: linebacker position. Instead it's still Jermaine Pratt who wanted out

967
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: of there, Logan Wilson, and Orn Burk's not a lot

968
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: of speed there. And then you look at the secondary,

969
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: it's a lot of guys that they have invested on defense.

970
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: The idea was to turn over this defense, but they

971
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: haven't all necessarily panned out. DJ Turner, Jordan Battle, Cam Taylor,

972
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: Britt Dax Hill. Those are all guys who are taken

973
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: high in the secondary. I wouldn't say balance. They're disappointing players,

974
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: but they're not, you know, being part of a defense

975
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: that's really impacted change. And then at defensive tackle, even

976
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: at defensive end, like to me, on paper, it's a

977
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: pretty lackluster defense. So you're right, they know where they

978
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: need to focus, but they haven't necessarily shown that they

979
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: can fix it. I'm just I'm just holding up the

980
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: caution because my friend, you know, I'm in the Chris

981
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: Westling podcast studio, like Phil Westling, Nick Westling, they all

982
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: think the Bengals are going to be right back. There

983
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: is an expectation in Cincinnati that, of course they're Super

984
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: Bowl contenders. They have Joe Burrow, and I get that,

985
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure I totally see the vision when

986
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: you look at the roster.

987
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: Well, they have a new voice defensively, can that help

988
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: you a little bit? Maybe that just gets something out

989
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: of some other players, just having a new voice in there.

990
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: And then to me, this draft, I mean, hey, Duke,

991
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: when it's time to knock this thing out of the

992
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: park and go get three four guys that can step

993
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: on the field and help you out.

994
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: Do you have any other teams you want to throw

995
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: out there or do you want.

996
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: To No, I mean you probably have ten teams that

997
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: you want to pump the brakes on because you're you're

998
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: more negative than I am. But that's all I could

999
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: come up with. And literally the ones I came up with,

1000
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: I would make an argument all three of them are

1001
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: going to be playoff teams next year. So I'm just

1002
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: like pumping super Well, you're you're just crucifying Johnny.

1003
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: And you're mister positive. You got to keep all these

1004
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: relationships going.

1005
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: You can't say anything too negative because you're going to

1006
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: see those guys.

1007
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: They don't care about me. They don't even know who

1008
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: I am, so I can say whatever whatever we want.

1009
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: Dolphins are another one, But I don't think anyone's really

1010
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: too high on the Dolphins.

1011
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, can we if we're gonna if we're gonna

1012
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: end this thing, and we end this on a positive note,

1013
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 3: I feel like this is Draft week. I'm excited. It's

1014
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: like my Christmas and Greg's just sitting here telling me

1015
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: how terrible the world is.

1016
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: No, you are.

1017
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: It is hope season, and so I don't want to

1018
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: recognize the fact that, like, not all these prospects are

1019
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: going to work out, but they're all beautiful.

1020
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: Right now?

1021
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: Do you get nervous by the way, Like Draft night,

1022
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: You've done it quite a bit, it's about to start.

1023
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: You've done all this homework for a year basically on

1024
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: these players. Does DJ still get any nervous or are

1025
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: you are you dead inside?

1026
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: No, they're the crowd. When you get the energy from

1027
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: the crowd, so that gives you some nerves. Like when

1028
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: we first start and the draft gets going and it's

1029
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: like a it's a rhythm to it. You know, nobody

1030
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 3: cares about this, but anyways, you're sitting on the desk,

1031
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: you get all the energy and your heart starts racing

1032
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: and it's fun. It's it's fun to be nervous because

1033
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: I mean, you're doing something big and and and then

1034
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: it takes about three or four picks. And like behind

1035
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: the scenes. Rich told me when I my first year

1036
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 3: on the main desk, which I think was in Philadelphia

1037
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, maybe somewhere around there, where I had gone

1038
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: from the kid's table to the adult table to sit

1039
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 3: there with those guys, and he said, he said, like, hey,

1040
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: don't try and be funny for like the first couppix

1041
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: or something like that, like just say just relax, like

1042
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 3: just let the draft kind of we'll get into a rhythm.

1043
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: We'll get into a flow and then we can do

1044
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: our thing and we have a good chemistry. We have

1045
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 3: a blast. But that's what I always remember is is

1046
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: great advice from a veteran of like, hey, let the

1047
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: draft kind of settle in a little bit. We'll get

1048
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: comfortable and then we'll get in a rhythm and then

1049
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: off we go.

1050
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: Well, I hate to think that this is the kids table,

1051
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 2: but we wish you well.

1052
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: We're going no, no, we're gonna be watching. This is

1053
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: like the cousins. This is like the cousins table. We're

1054
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: outside on the patio by the pool, but.

1055
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: We have we have more fun than with all the

1056
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: parents around.

1057
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: We will be back for one more forties and free

1058
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: agents before this little mini series wraps up. So we'll

1059
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: be wrapping up the draft next week. Looking forward to that.

1060
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: Good luck, DJ, Well, I'll be watched.

1061
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: Thanks buddy. Appreciation