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Speaker 1: to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos kings the

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Speaker 1: On today's episodes of Alice, it's a King, we have to,

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Speaker 1: at least for today, talk about Jersey. I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know. We saw the finale, we saw the quote

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Speaker 1: unquote reunion. Okay, but so much has happened since then

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Speaker 1: that I need to just end the season on this note.

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Speaker 1: And what better person to end the Jersey dialogue than

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Speaker 1: my friend and the amazing host of the very successful

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Speaker 1: Behind the velve Broe podcast. Give it up for my

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Speaker 1: personal friend who I just love and he's also a

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Speaker 1: fan favorite for the rain Drops, David, did.

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Speaker 2: You personally save the best for last?

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Speaker 1: Carlos, Ah, don't piss on my prior. Guess you shady motherfucker.

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Speaker 2: I've just mean, I really am coming in shady today,

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Speaker 2: aren't I My gosh? Well, you know, I just speak

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Speaker 2: the truth, Carlos, I speak the truth. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm really well. I'm really well. And that's listen. That's

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Speaker 1: why you have a top rated podcast. You're one of

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Speaker 1: my favorites when it comes to podcast hosts. I listen

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Speaker 1: to your five day a week podcast, which listeners. That's

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Speaker 1: the best in the business because he delivers it straight. Okay,

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Speaker 1: like he does. You give your opinion, and I like

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Speaker 1: about it, and look, my audience likes it when I

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Speaker 1: have somebody on my show where we may agree, we

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Speaker 1: may disagree, but you're somebody who just keeps it real.

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Speaker 1: So I want to get into your thoughts. We just

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Speaker 1: has happened since then, okay, and I want to get

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on a David. First thing first, let's just

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Speaker 1: dive right into it. Great Catanya, the ex husband of Dolores.

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Speaker 1: He recently did an interview, and he said, because David

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Speaker 1: knows all things Jersey. By the way, Frank said that

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Speaker 1: he heard she was asked to step down. David, did

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Speaker 2: I did not hear that, and I saw this. Then

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Speaker 2: I read it again and it said yes. Frank said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I also heard that rumor. So it's like, not to

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Speaker 2: little different. It's like when he said, oh I heard

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Speaker 2: And then when you're like I heard the rumor, like

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Speaker 2: does Frank really know what he's doing? I mean he

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Speaker 2: technical difference is between you've asked to step down. Well,

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Speaker 1: So I called bullshit on it. Rumors are rumors. I

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Speaker 1: based on the feedback that I've been seeing, David, it's

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Speaker 1: still split. It's split. It's split. There's people who want

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Speaker 1: Melissa's team. What do you want, David, If you were

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Speaker 1: and you had like final, say say it now exclusively,

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Speaker 2: And by the way, that is different than who what

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Speaker 2: A week and a half ago. And I'm still gonna

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Speaker 2: it was obvious. There's no Sanya's coming back, Marlowlane coming back.

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Speaker 2: it's like Beverly Hills. I said all season, all season

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Speaker 2: I wavered a little bit and then I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: I'm like, we really really get rid of Teresa? Can we? Like?

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean you and me. It's like we're

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Speaker 2: to me, well, what about Vicky. Oh please, Vicky was

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Speaker 2: never to the OC what THEESA is to Dow Jersey. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I'm correct thrilled, right, I'm not

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Speaker 2: But the difference to me, the difference is that Nini

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Speaker 2: So that's the difference is like Teresa will show up

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Speaker 2: why show that scene with Louie, Like Teresa wanted them

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Speaker 2: five times at this point. Melissa's old Knows, I mean

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Speaker 2: I always I always say, oh, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Happen to my audience too about I mean, I show

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean she is one of the bloggers, the

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Speaker 2: I really don't know the nuances, if she was paid,

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Speaker 2: whatever it was, but she was one of the ones

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Speaker 2: that was like there with Teresa and you know, Teresa's

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Speaker 2: lawyer and Jenlla, like she was working and look, she's

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Speaker 2: put out lots of screenshots. I personally believe everything she says.

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Speaker 2: that if you want. But so she was working with them,

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Speaker 2: all of their receipts. So, but this has become mainstream,

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Speaker 2: in every interview, Andy's talking about it. So these bloggers,

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Speaker 2: specifically Melissa's auld Knows, have shaped the season like they

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Speaker 2: were season fourteen. Melissa's All Knows, whether she was on

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Speaker 2: and then you have all these other things that I mean,

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Speaker 2: there was no one listening. So the point is we

428
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: were now on the phone as two apparent friends with

429
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: no one listening. And she said to me, you know, David,

430
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 2: that kiss never happened. And now I'm like, okay, so

431
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: now there's nobody, it's you and me, and you're lying

432
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: like I would have respected her if she was like,

433
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: you know, it happened, but we're like Tia Melissa. Here.

434
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: I wish she said that, because at least I could

435
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: have respected that. But you're now lying to me because

436
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: I know you know, because I mean, and I can

437
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: go through how I know she knows. It's like last season.

438
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 2: But the point is you're not lying to me.

439
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. How do you know

440
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: for the fact that Margaret knew. Yeah.

441
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: Well, and again, I mean I didn't see any of

442
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: this in my own eyes. But this PR person that

443
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: worked for Jackie, Melissa and Margaret is with best friends

444
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: with this guy Nick, the one that Melissa allegedly kissed,

445
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: and he they all go They all go out. They

446
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: all used to go out at night. I mean, you

447
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: could ask Jackie now that she seems to be able

448
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: to speak to the others. They all would go out

449
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: at night. They would go to Fresco by Scotto on

450
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: fifty second Street because he works for the Scattos, so

451
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: he also does PR and you know, so it's all

452
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: all in the family. They would always be out. And

453
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: so he's the one who allegedly opened the car door

454
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: and saw his best friend that he was out with

455
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: for the night kissing Melissa. Now, I don't think Melissa

456
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: had an affair or anything like that. Who knows. It

457
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: could have been a two second kiss. But the thing is,

458
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: this all starts with him allegedly and I don't know

459
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 2: this for a fact, but then he tells his I mean,

460
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: you have three bosses you shouldn't be talking about any

461
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: of your bosses. But I mean, we're just going to

462
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: be honest here today, Carlos, We're just gonna, like, let's

463
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: just have an honest conversation. So then he tells his

464
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: boss over here, Margaret, not realizing at the time that

465
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: she has the fence does and she's with Vanessa and

466
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: we all don't know when Mark's up to at this point.

467
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: So he tells the boss Margaret, I can't I got

468
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: some gossip for you, and Margaret's ears perkop and say, oh,

469
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: I can use this one in the future, Okay. So

470
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: he tells Margaret, not realizing that this is how Jersey works.

471
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: And then Margaret tells her best friend of forty years,

472
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: which I have no problem with, Laura, that's your best

473
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: friend since childhood. You tell her, you tell and who

474
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: knew that you would fall out with your best friend

475
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: of forty years? And when you do, your best friend

476
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: of forty years then reveals what you told her that

477
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: basically she was using this hanging this over the head

478
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: of her good friend Melissa. So I know, now, does

479
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: this sound so far fetched? Not really, This sounds like

480
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: it's exactly how it happened.

481
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: Who I hate to interrupt, but they tuned for more.

482
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

483
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. I find it so

484
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: interesting that when it comes to Jersey, one of the

485
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: reasons why a change has to happen is because, to me,

486
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: it is a show about alliances. It's a show about

487
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: digging dirt on people to use them. They don't have fun.

488
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: They don't go on girls' trips. They don't like, you know,

489
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: getting naked waisted and do coyote ugly on the bar

490
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: like oc does. Do you know what I mean? Like,

491
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: it's not fun because they're too busy trying to dig

492
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: dirt on each other. And when they find dirt on

493
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: each other, they keep it in the back of their

494
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: minds and will use it against you if you go

495
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: against them, Which now leads me to Jackie Golschneider, who

496
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: I've always liked and enjoyed. Even when her and Teresa

497
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: will go at it, I always felt as a viewer

498
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: this is great television. I liked seeing Teresa activated, so

499
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: I never disliked Jackie. Jackie obviously got fired right and

500
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: was demoted to a friend you just mentioned earlier. Jackie, Margaret,

501
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: and Melissa shared the same publicist because when they were

502
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: on the show as a collective, they were the best

503
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: of friends in air quotes. When Jackie got fired and

504
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: then was demoted to a friend of all of a sudden,

505
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Jackie decided to I'm not gonna say it, go against them,

506
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: but she decided to play nice in the sandbox of

507
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: Teresa's team, which includes Jennifer Ayden. When Jackie got demoted,

508
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: do you think Margaret and Melissa were like, well, we

509
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: have no use for you, baby, And Jackie was surprised

510
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: by this and decided to join the other team and

511
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: reveal stuff to them so that they can have information

512
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: to go up against Melissa. Margaret.

513
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: No, I also like Jackie a lot, like in the

514
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: real world. Out of all of these people, I mean,

515
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: it's probably the highest one up. I mean, I've never

516
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: met Jensfessler or Cabral or food up. But I really

517
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: like Jackie. No, I don't think so, because I think

518
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: more is more. The same way they want their minions

519
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: and their bloggers and which podcast is for me and

520
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: which one is for you. I think, you know, Jockie,

521
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: they would have kept her like she's demoted, but you know,

522
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: she could be our second rate lapdog in their eyes.

523
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but you know what I mean,

524
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that they would knowingly and you know,

525
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: Jockey knows where I mean, that's the thing like when

526
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: you just don't speak the truth and you're all doing

527
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: underhanded stuff, you all eat know where each other's bodies

528
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: are buried. So I think Margaret and Melissa knew that

529
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: Jockey knows things, and as we can see, Margaret knows

530
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: things too.

531
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: You know, yes, yes, no, I agree with that. I

532
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: agree with that. The thing is listen. I think Jackie

533
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: was probably like, listen, I want the airtime, and what

534
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: better way to get airtime than to join Teresa's team

535
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: and do what's unexpected. And that's sort of like be

536
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: friends with Teresa, which was interesting as we sort of

537
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: look at the fate of the show, what do you

538
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: think can save it? Because for me, it's this and

539
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: I want to hear your opinion too. I I just

540
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: think some hard conversations needs to happen with how people

541
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: operate behind the scenes. And when I say behind the scenes,

542
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean investigations, the digging up dirt on people, the

543
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: talking to bloggers or all those things. I just think

544
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: it needs to be something to where there has to

545
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: be since a mandate that goes across all of the shows,

546
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: because if you look at each individual housewives, they're all

547
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: great housewives, you know, I think, and they all brought

548
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: something great to the table. Unfortunately they allowed the messiness

549
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: of this show to ruin their jobs. Because everybody's job

550
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: is on the line. You know, everybody's job is on

551
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: the line. But when it comes to this show, I

552
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: do feel like something has to happen. I had a

553
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: guess on my podcast named Gibson John's who said to

554
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: me that he believed strongly that Louie is the downfall

555
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: of Jersey. Do you disagree or agree with that?

556
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: A lot of people feel that way. I don't necessarily

557
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: disagree with that. I look, I think this was going

558
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: on before Louie. Like, I don't think like I believe

559
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: everything Melissa's Attle now has said, not just because she's

560
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: been on my podcast so many times, but I think

561
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: that Teresa was already up to some of this. But again,

562
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: Margaret too and others and Louis, Yeah, Louis, it was

563
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: not good. I don't think he was good for this show.

564
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 2: I think he took it to another level. And I

565
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: so if you think about it like that, yeah, I

566
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: guess he was the downfall of Jersey. I mean I

567
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: feel that that's such a dramatic statement because I'm not

568
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: sure we wouldn't have been here without him. But would

569
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 2: Teresa really care that much if it wasn't about her

570
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: husband shouldn't have one? I mean, what would she really care?

571
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

572
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: Well, the kids for sure, And like you said earlier,

573
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: this is her livelihood, you know, this is how she

574
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: makes her money. She really is a housewife. I think, listen,

575
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: if they decide to keep Teresa or any of the women.

576
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: I do think there needs to be something about the

577
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: husband's not being involved in the storylines mean meaning collectively,

578
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: we watched Potomac, the husbands aren't really involved in the

579
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: women's storylines.

580
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: We watch Beverly Hills.

581
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, though husbands are barely around.

582
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like there are no husbands now

583
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: I understand.

584
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, Beverly Hills is now the real single

585
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: ladies of the nine of two and zero. Like how

586
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: New York became that when all their husbands were like

587
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: gone too. But I think the only way it'll work

588
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: is if the the maids aren't involved.

589
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: But do you think because like, look, I think that

590
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: they I think the mistake they made. I screamed from

591
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: the rooftop about this on my podcast last season and

592
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: about all the changes that were happened. It should happen,

593
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: it could happen. I think that's the mistake they made.

594
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: Like there was the Jersey pause and then it was over.

595
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: It was like two months, Like remember when we thought

596
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: it was going on pause. I understand how everyone came

597
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: back because you put everyone's name on the whiteboard and

598
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 2: you didn't know what to do, and at that point,

599
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: you weren't getting rid of Teresa, so the only person

600
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: that get rid of would be Melissa and more and

601
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: they didn't do it, And I understand why they didn't

602
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: do it, but you should have taken longer. So now

603
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: it's like, do you think that would work? Like, whether

604
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: you believe it or not, I believe it. I believe

605
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: that Teresa was up to all this stuff within Melissa's

606
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: and Louis and Margaret and Moore, Like, is that going

607
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: to work? Teresa, don't do this? You've had the same

608
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: lawyer for how many years? Like, don't do this? Like,

609
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: what what's the what's going to happen? It's an immediate termination.

610
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: We find out week three that we're into filming. I mean,

611
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: they just let Kenya go, like and this happens, Like

612
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: there has to be a like, I'm there has to

613
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: be a real talking do you know what I mean?

614
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: Like because they get warned don't do this, and I

615
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: mean rumor is they've all been warned not to go

616
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: negative on social media. And the other day someone posted

617
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: and like they reposted Margaret's comment about like Jennifer and

618
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: Teresa walking in looking like weird Ally Yankovic and Jennifer

619
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: responds it, right, remember that on the show. And Jennifer

620
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: responds it, at least we have hair, slamming Margaret saying like,

621
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: at least we have hair, bitch. So I mean, as

622
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: far as I know, I've heard that they were warned,

623
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: like it's over, girls, stay off social talk about flowers,

624
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: Teresa post gerification, and here's Louie saying, you know, Margaret

625
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: doubling down whatever he just said about Margaret, that bringing

626
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: up someone's son as a storyline is pathetic. So Louise.

627
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm not picking on Louis and Jennifer and that side,

628
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: but apparently they were already warned, and here they are

629
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: on social media doubling down. So, like as I say

630
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: on my podcast, some people get mad at me, this

631
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: is a group of actual animals. This isn't the nine

632
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: O two and Ozero, this is im Potomac. This is

633
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: actual animals. I'm sorry, and now I'm gonna have to

634
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: give some tough love here. So how would you like

635
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: to enforce this, mister King? You're an executive producer, extraordinary,

636
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: Oh Teresa, don't do this? Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh, jennifucker,

637
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: I'll do whatever the fuck I want. I mean, how

638
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: is it that you would like to I mean, what

639
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: type of speaking to is this going to be that's

640
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: going to actually work?

641
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: I agree with you, I don't think. I think it's

642
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: further than a conversation. I think and I would love

643
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts. Because you are a lawyer. I

644
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: think there has to be some sort of language and

645
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: the agreement about Listen, every every employee has something in

646
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: their agreement, whether it's the code of conduct, whether it's

647
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: what's what I'm looking for. David More code, thank you,

648
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: thank you. The morality clause, the moral code, right. I

649
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: think there has to be very specific language in terms

650
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: of if we find out that you are talking about

651
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: storylines for bloggers, it's a media termination. I think there

652
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: has to be something legal in order for that to happen,

653
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: and some sort of penalty. I think it's that serious.

654
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: But I don't think you only do that to Jersey.

655
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: I think you have to do that across the board,

656
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: because somewhere down the line they lost a plot of

657
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: what the show is about and what we the audience

658
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: want to see. I'm loving OC this season because it's

659
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: fun and the drama is not dark. I actually laugh

660
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: at the drama that they're arguing over because to me,

661
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: it's funny, like when Gina is yelling at Gin in

662
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: the coffee shop and like, why are you wearing makeup

663
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: and getting glam when you can't afford rent? Like, to me,

664
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: that's funny, you know, like it's funny.

665
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did Heather call the paparazzi on herself. Now,

666
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: now Pedantry has a rolex, and Emily is teaching us that, like,

667
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: sell your damn rolex, you can't pay your rent. The

668
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: thing doesn't even work. I agree. It's like I'm watching

669
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: this as if I'm producing it, and I'm like this,

670
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: someone got it. They just got it. They're like remember

671
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: the old school days of you know, the Housewives. This

672
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: is what we're going to do this season. I know see,

673
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: and they're actually doing it. It's working. I totally agree.

674
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it has to get back to that. And

675
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: that's why for me, you have to do something. You

676
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: have to do something dramatic in order to get a

677
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: different result. And like you said earlier, if people go

678
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: against the cold, they can let go in the season

679
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: like it is what it is. But I just think

680
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to Jersey, I would me, Carlos King.

681
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: I would be a happy person. Let me get my

682
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: dog one second.

683
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: That's fine.

684
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: Everyone has these dogs.

685
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so look, I Carlos King. I would be a

686
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: happy person if I don't ever see a men's scene

687
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: on Jersey. I do not want to see these men

688
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 1: hanging out with each other. I don't care. I don't

689
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: care to see issues with the men having with the women.

690
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't care to go to and see a charity

691
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: baseball game and the guys are there. I think what

692
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: I would like to see for New Jersey is getting

693
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: back to these women and yes, family, I would love

694
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: to see like the solo family scenes with the husbands,

695
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: but the moment there's an all casf event, I do

696
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: not want the husbands there anymore. I think that the

697
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: thing when it comes to Jerseys specifically is in that town,

698
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: there is just this this thing that the wives go

699
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: to another level if you attack their husbands, and I

700
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: think the only way for them not to happen again

701
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: is you don't evolve them.

702
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: Who would you like to come back? Then?

703
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: I listen, not only because she's my friend. I just

704
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: you can't pay me to watch Jersey without Teresa. I

705
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: just I can't even like, I can't imagine it. I

706
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: just I can't imagine it. And what was funny is

707
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: Kelly Rippa, who is Andy's best friend, said the same thing,

708
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: like there's no show without you, And that's Kelly fucking Rippa.

709
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: Teresa disagree with me? If you if you, if you

710
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: want to, David, I think Teresa is the number one.

711
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, you see me, David.

712
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: You froze for a minute.

713
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: I do now, Okay, I'll talk it over for me.

714
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: I think Teresa is currently currently the most famous housewife

715
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: on TV, the most famous. I think she's the most recognizable.

716
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I keep going back and forth

717
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: because again I don't know what's going to happen. My

718
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: expert opinion as a producer who worked on the Housewives

719
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: and currently doing other reality shows, I just think it's

720
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: a big mistake to not have Teresa on the show.

721
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: I just I don't see it, and that means to me,

722
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: if you removed Teresa, that means you're keeping Melissa right,

723
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: And I just don't see me caring about a season

724
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: that involves Melissa, Dolores, who is one percent coming back,

725
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: and maybe Margaret. I just don't see it. So I

726
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: would like to see Teresa, and I will say, Danielle.

727
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: That's it.

728
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Huh, that's it. That's it. I think listen. I think

729
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: Margaret maybe needs a break, a break, put on pause,

730
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: Derenda Medley style and maybe come back. I think Melissa

731
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: will always be a part of Bravo. I see Melissa

732
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: doing so many other things with the network in Peacock.

733
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't see it for Rachel, honestly, I just I

734
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: just don't see it. And I think Jennifer Aiden who

735
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: I love, who I think is a top to her housewife.

736
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think they'll bring her back. I just

737
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see that happening ever.

738
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see it happening. I've said this

739
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 2: on my show so many times that it just is

740
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: what it is, and people are like, no, no, no,

741
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: if you get rid of Jennifer, you have to get

742
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: rid of Teresa. They were both doing it. I'm like,

743
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: I get it, but that's not the way. How many

744
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: people are sitting at a desk job right now in

745
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: corporate America where you're reporting to someone that you know

746
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: is younger than you, that started with you, that you

747
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: think you have more Corporate America ain't fair. It just

748
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: is what it is. So I don't see a world

749
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: that we live in that Jennifer Aiden will be back.

750
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: That's just my opinion. Yes she will. If we have

751
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: to clean this mess up whatever Teresa was doing, whatever

752
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: this one was doing, Jennifer Aden will take the fall

753
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: for her and Teresa. If Teresa was allegedly doing all this,

754
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: which I believe she was, it doesn't matter. I mean,

755
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. And that's that is the thing. If

756
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 2: Teresa weren't Teresa. I believe she'd be fired one hundred percent.

757
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: But I don't know if all these bad things and

758
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: liability and all this matters. I don't know. You know

759
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: what the bottom line is, everybody that is in the

760
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: Housewives should open a book right now. And whether you

761
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: love her or hate her, Kyle Richards is the end,

762
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: I don't know. She is the gold standard of what

763
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: you should do as a housewife. You want to teach

764
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: a master course, that is it. One hundred percent. I

765
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: used to say Teresa is never going to be fired.

766
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure anymore. Kle Richards will never be fired.

767
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: Barn never ever, barb never zero. I don't care if

768
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: you love her hate her, it's never happening. She produces

769
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: the show on air as we're watching it, calling someton

770
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: over and saying, no, what just happened? And you were

771
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: drunk and son's getting upset. It's like she is producing

772
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: the show. Sign if she has to do this, this

773
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: is this is the job. She's actually great at what

774
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: she's doing right now. Amazing here that you were right.

775
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: She is exactly what she brings it. And she cries

776
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: and gets messy and has highs and lows and then

777
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: goes home and doesn't care. I mean she this first sister,

778
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 2: the second sister, the divorce. Yes, okay, now I agree.

779
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what really is going on with Morgan

780
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: Wade or what happened, but it's not everything that Kyle brings.

781
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: But let's just face it, there's probably nothing going on

782
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: and it was all just like they know how to

783
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: play the paparazzi game.

784
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: The point is, I want to add one more to you,

785
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: and I want you to finish, though you also have

786
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: to add the David. She never ever, ever, ever, ever,

787
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: ever talks any crap about production, the network, nothing. She

788
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: doesn't blame editing, she doesn't blame producers. She she has

789
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: never in her life ever said anything remotely close to

790
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: anything negative about her employees. Like she she's the quintessential

791
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: housewife in the sense of she's so grateful for the

792
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: opportunity and not saying she's hiding stuff that they do.

793
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying we all know that. Listen,

794
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: when the when the when the going gets tough, what

795
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: does the reality start do? Well? Uh, they added that

796
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: in there. Okay, girl, we're watching the same show, beat it.

797
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: She is so kind to work with. I know producers

798
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: who work on belly Hills, they all say, David, she's

799
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: a joy to work with.

800
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: But continue, I believe it. I believe it. So I mean,

801
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: that's the thing that you never see her. Ryeah. She'll

802
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: make she'll do with this Amazon lives and someone will

803
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: ask her. And she knows how to throw shade, but

804
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: she'll never be there in the comments, clapping back and

805
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 2: every now and the baby she slips off Mauricio and Morgan,

806
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: but she doesn't take it off air. She does it.

807
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: And when she says that, you know, Juriid exposed these

808
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: texts and she said, I would never have done that,

809
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: like I do believe it. Whatever the real stuff that's

810
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: happening off air, she wouldn't bring it on air. And

811
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: she's able to bring enough. And it's not even like

812
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: I like bow down to her as like such a fan.

813
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: But she is the way to do this show. She

814
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: really is. She'll never be fired. You bring enough, and

815
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: then you're light and fluffy, and now you're saying she's

816
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: easy to work with it and then you just go home.

817
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: And yes, she cries and has breakdowns, but she's not

818
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: stewing in it. When the season's over, it's over and

819
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: she's ready for the next season, and everything from the

820
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 2: past season is left there. That's how to do it.

821
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: That is the difference. That's how to do it right.

822
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: No, one thousand percent right, one thousand percent right. So

823
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: for all the housewives who are listening, yeah, or the

824
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: pr of a housewife, the manager of a housewife, the

825
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: friend of a housewife. David and I both agree on

826
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: this one fact. Study the book of Kyle Richards if

827
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: you want to study the book the.

828
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's not going in every year. Who's gonna

829
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: go and who's gonna stay? It's never Kyle. Kylee's never

830
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: going anywhere. She does it really well. I mean there's

831
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: others on Beverly Hills that are holds that they are

832
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: pretty good too, But Kyle is to me, I think

833
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: across every franchise the number one. So I don't know,

834
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I can see it could be

835
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: such a great, fun, lighthearted ensemble show in New Jersey

836
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: if Teresa weren't there. I mean, look, they let's just

837
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: face it. Also, they gave Melissa Gordon an excellent edit

838
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: this season. I mean she they You know, I'm not

839
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: saying that she doesn't deserve it, but I'm just saying

840
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: when they're saying hot dog lives and she's like making

841
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: her face. Melissa was actually funny in her edit this season,

842
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: and now she's doing a pose off and then what

843
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: the hell happens when we're still talking about sprinkle cookies?

844
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: But I mean she and yes, she says these things,

845
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: but it's also a good edit. So look, they said it,

846
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: so it could. But I like, you just can't envision

847
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: a show being called The Real Housewives of New Jersey

848
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: with Melissa and Gang. I just can't. And I think

849
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 2: she had a great season. I enjoyed her this season

850
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: more than Teresa. But I just like in your interview,

851
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: sure Teresa was lovely because the same way Nini was lovely,

852
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Speaker 2: but Teresa ain' have you ever watched Teresa's interviews? And

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Speaker 2: I don't blame her. Your husband's deported. You know they're

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00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: coming for your new husband you went to. I don't

855
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: blame her, but she is like unpleasant to interviewers. Right

856
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: to her. She's sitting there, you could feel the tension.

857
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: She doesn't open her mouth and speak a full sentence right,

858
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 2: because she's not comfortable. It's like their job to get

859
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: so It's like, I think it could be a light, breezy,

860
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: happy show with Melissa and company, but I just don't

861
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: see it. I just think she's the one that I

862
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: don't know if they can do it. I just don't know. Like,

863
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 2: and there's no other show like that. Like, as great

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00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: as Kyle is, we would all there's we wouldn't blink

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Speaker 2: an eye, Lisa vander Pomp, Beverly Hills would go on

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00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: with Erica and Dorit and Sutton at Garcel and two

867
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: newbies without Kyle in a second. We wouldn't think twice.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be strange. It's just it is weird that

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00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 2: we have this in Jersey. It just is strange. It's

870
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: a strange. I've never seen this before, and I really

871
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: don't know what they're gonna do. Because the thing is,

872
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: when you read a lot of the comments against Teresa

873
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: and Louis, it's not like people are team Melissa. Nobody

874
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: gives a fuck about Melissa. People actually hate Teresa. Now,

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00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: there's a lot of tree huggers that love her, but

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00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: I've never seen so many nests like this blogger thing

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00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: with Melissa's all knows. I really do feel because I

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00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: have seen a lot of comments. I used to love Teresa,

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00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: Now I don't, So I don't know is that gonna

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00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: take it? So then to go back to your point, yeah,

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00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 2: I mean, is this the Louis effect? Did Louis single

882
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: handedly come in here, like everyone says he's a narcissist,

883
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: a tornado through and just take this whole damn house

884
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: down behind the scenes. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's the thing I will say this, Teresa has

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00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: the ability to give you a lighter season because we've

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00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: seen it with when her and Jackal were friends. I

888
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: think she needs to be surrounded by that. And I

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00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: do think this, I think is what you said too.

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00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: She's had a tough couple of years. Your husband gets supported,

891
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: you went to jail, both your parents are deceased, you

892
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: don't have a relationship with your only sibling, people don't

893
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: like your husband, you have to defend him against these

894
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: women on the show. I think she's just I think

895
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: she's been dealt a very tough hand, and I think

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00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: the one thing that used to be a pleasant distraction,

897
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: which was the show, has now been the main source

898
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: of negativity in her life. And that's why for me,

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00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: I really really wish Jacqueline will come back, but she

900
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: lives in California, because I do want to see her

901
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: have fun again because she can. We used to see

902
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: like her Jacqueline like stomp grapes and they were losing

903
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: ethel And you know the thing is, Dolores does not

904
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: bring that out out of her because I think Dolores

905
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: is also and listen, Dolor's played her hand right as well.

906
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: Dolores has emerged as like somebody who I even now

907
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, I can't see the show without Dolores.

908
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: I think the Laura's is a great Switzerland character. You

909
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: need that. It's like Cynthia Bailey, like there's certain women

910
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: who you need to play the middle of the road.

911
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: But I'm I've never seen Teresa and Dolores have fun.

912
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: I've seen Teresa and Joan Aiden have fun. But I think,

913
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: like you, Jen Aiden isn't coming back unfortunately, so I

914
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: don't know, but I definitely agree with you. I want

915
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: to see something light. I want to see something fun.

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00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: I wanna I just don't. I'm not interested anymore in

917
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: seeing dark drama when it comes to the show because

918
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: even when, like Danielle Stab was on the first two

919
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: seasons and it was kind of dark, I think we

920
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: all just just laughed, like, you know, like, but Caroline's like,

921
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 1: you're a clown, and Danielle said, but you're the one

922
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: wearing red hair, Like that's funny. You know, chasing Danielle

923
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: down the country club is funny.

924
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: You know, Danielle is an icon in her own Danielle

925
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: Stab is an icon. I've said it before, I've said

926
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 2: it on my podcast, I will say it on your podcast.

927
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: I don't care what anyone says, but I do agree

928
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: with you. If you look at people from the past,

929
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: I feel it's not gonna happen. The only look I

930
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 2: can tell you right now, anyone who is toxic from

931
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: the past, whether they're a full time cast member or

932
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: a friend of any toxicity, they ain't ever come in. Nope,

933
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: if you go down the list of people that could

934
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: truly come back, the only human being that gets the

935
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: past is Jacqueline r It's just that simple. It's just

936
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: there's nobody else. Do I think Kathy is is a

937
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: toxic person. No, Kathy Wakille is a lovely person. With

938
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: a wonderful family in a real life unfortunately, and I

939
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: don't think she wants to come back, but you can't

940
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: bring her back because Teresa, then what's the point. You

941
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: might as well keep Melissa. I mean she'll go cuckoo,

942
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: so that ain't happening. Anyone else is toxic. Like Danielle,

943
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: I love her, but I mean that ain't happening. Jacqueline

944
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: is literally if you take out that Wikipedia list where

945
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: everyone is on there, she's truly the only person, full

946
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: time friend of whatever it is, that can come back

947
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: that is a non toxic, happy light person in for Teresa,

948
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: She's the one. There's no one else.

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00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with one, but like you said, it remains

950
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: to be seen. I don't think we'll know the faith

951
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: for a couple of months. But what I will say is,

952
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: when we find out you have to come back on

953
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: my podcast, we could dissect it.

954
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: I will come back. You're going to come on my

955
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: podcast all the rain Drops and follow you over there

956
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: and we'll do some jersey and we'll talk about everything

957
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: else going on. And I hope Beverly Hills they say

958
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: this year, later this year, it's going to be back.

959
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: You'll come on way before that though, But yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: you are you are you bring all bring your merch,

961
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: bring anything you want to plug. We support all the

962
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: plugs at Behind the Velvet Rope. You can come and

963
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: plug whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Love you so much, David. Tell the

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00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: world they can find you, follow your support, your amazing

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00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: top rated podcast.

967
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: They can look for Behind the Velvet Rope on it, Apple, Spotify,

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00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: wherever podcasts are found. Follow us on Instagram at behind

969
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: Velvet Rope YouTube and just check in. We have conversations

970
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: like this. You can listen to Melissa's old nos and

971
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: you can make your own decision. That's what people don't.

972
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: People drive themselves crazy listening to me because they're like,

973
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: last week you said something mean against Margaret. Now you're

974
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: saying something again, and I'm like, I don't have a

975
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: side or a team. So if you're going to drive

976
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: yourself crazy, so everyone listen, and if you are pro Teresa,

977
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: you can disagree with everything Melissa's old nos said, and

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00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm all for that.

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