WEBVTT - Diatoms and Diatomaceous Earth, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Robert.

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<v Speaker 3>Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And today we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be doing the second part in our series on the

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<v Speaker 3>single celled photosynthetic organisms called diatoms, and also focusing on

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<v Speaker 3>the silica based sedimentary material made out of the fossilized

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<v Speaker 3>remains of diatom shells. This material is diatomaceous Earth. If

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<v Speaker 3>you haven't heard part one, I would recommend you go

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<v Speaker 3>back and listen to that one before today's episode, but

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<v Speaker 3>for a brief refresher. In the last episode, we talked

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<v Speaker 3>a bit about dietom biology. Diatoms are single celled, eukaryotic

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<v Speaker 3>photosynthetic algae found in nearly every natural water source on

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<v Speaker 3>planet Earth, including not just lakes, rivers, and oceans, but

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<v Speaker 3>even more out of the way places like damp soil

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<v Speaker 3>and Arctic sea ice. They are not plants, they are

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<v Speaker 3>not animals, they're not fungi, but they do have a

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<v Speaker 3>cell nucleus and they make their own food using energy

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<v Speaker 3>from the sunlight. Diatoms are a major source of both

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<v Speaker 3>oxygen in Earth's atmosphere and primary organic material in the ocean,

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<v Speaker 3>So they're responsible for estimates vary, but about one fifth

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<v Speaker 3>of the air we breathe, and they make up a

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<v Speaker 3>major part of the base of the marine food web.

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<v Speaker 3>So if an animal is eating something in the sea,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a good chance that either it's a diatom, or

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that aid to diatom, or it's something that

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that aa die tom. So one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most important and unique characteristics of diatoms, the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>really sets them apart from other algal and planktonic organisms

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<v Speaker 3>in the water, is that they create a rigid, fortified

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<v Speaker 3>cell wall out of amorphous silica. So essentially, each diatom

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<v Speaker 3>is a little cell of algae that surrounds itself with

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<v Speaker 3>a porous piece of armor, a shell made out of

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<v Speaker 3>a material that is very similar to glass, and this

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<v Speaker 3>shell is called the frustule. We spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>time in the last episode just looking at and talking

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<v Speaker 3>about these microscopic shells because the bizarre and the diverse

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<v Speaker 3>forms these frustules take have been a source of amazement

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<v Speaker 3>for people ever since they were first observed under microscopes.

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<v Speaker 3>More than three hundred years ago, and you get kind

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<v Speaker 3>of different imagery depending on the first of all, in

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<v Speaker 3>the different species of diatom you look at, but then

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<v Speaker 3>also on the type of magnification and imagery you use.

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<v Speaker 3>So under light microscopes, diatoms often appear delicate and transparent,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're often compared to like jewels or fine glasswork,

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<v Speaker 3>whereas under electron microscopes they often look much stranger and

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<v Speaker 3>in some cases alarming, like these these shattered pieces of

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<v Speaker 3>alien machinery, and these frustules often accumulate in layers at

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom of bodies of water. After the diatoms dies,

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<v Speaker 3>the diatom's dye, the shells sink down and they turned

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<v Speaker 3>into a kind of diatom skeleton sludge or ooze that

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<v Speaker 3>over the eons can solidify into a porous, low density

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<v Speaker 3>kind of rock that we call diatomite. So millions of

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<v Speaker 3>years later, this sedimentary material can be dug up and

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<v Speaker 3>ground into a powder and sold in bulk for tons

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<v Speaker 3>of different household and industrial uses, including as an insecticide

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<v Speaker 3>like we talked about last time. Something we'll get into

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<v Speaker 3>a bit more this time is its use as a

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<v Speaker 3>filtration medium for liquid. It's used as an abrasive, it's

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<v Speaker 3>used in some toiletry products, it shows up in all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of things, and so in the last episode we

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<v Speaker 3>were talking about just how bizarre it is that you

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<v Speaker 3>can go to the hardware store or the tractor supply

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<v Speaker 3>and buy a bag of this dust or a can

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<v Speaker 3>of this dust. But if you put that dust under

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<v Speaker 3>a high powered microscope, depending on how it's prepared, you

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<v Speaker 3>can probably still see that the grains of this mundane

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<v Speaker 3>stuff are filled with the broken remnants of Martian pocket

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<v Speaker 3>watch gears and these tiny, you know, jagged mesh tubes

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<v Speaker 3>and things that look like a stadium built for viruses.

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<v Speaker 3>And so at the end of the last episode we

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<v Speaker 3>ended up talking for a bit about one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most common mundane uses for diatamacious earth, which is as

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<v Speaker 3>a mechanical insecticide, and we got into some of the

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<v Speaker 3>grizzly details of how this works from the bugs perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you missed that episode, go back and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to it wherever you get your podcasts, or if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to watch a as well, you can get the

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<v Speaker 2>audio video version of that episode and this one on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 3>Best way to see what our heads look like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, what sure are we wearing this? This is

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<v Speaker 4>how you do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're going to talk more in today's episode about

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<v Speaker 3>human uses for these fossil alkyl skeletons. And one of

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<v Speaker 3>the historical human uses of dietamacious earth that I referred

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<v Speaker 3>to briefly in the last episode is its role in

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<v Speaker 3>the invention of dynamite. So I'd like to come back

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<v Speaker 3>and talk about that a bit more today. So if

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<v Speaker 3>you know one fact about the history of dynamite, it

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<v Speaker 3>is probably that it was invented by the Swedish chemist

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<v Speaker 3>Alfred Nobel, the same Nobel from whom we get the

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<v Speaker 3>Nobel Prizes. Nobel lived from eighteen thirty three to eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety six, and for Alfred Nobel, explosives were the family business.

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<v Speaker 3>I was not aware of this beforehand, but so he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't just like out of no where, decide I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to start making explosives. This was like a patrilineal thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So Alfred's father, Emmanuel Nobel, was an explosives and munitions

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<v Speaker 3>manufacturer who had contracts, for example, with the Tsar of Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this would have been Zar Nicholas making things

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<v Speaker 3>like underwater mines, for the Russian military, which, yes, that

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<v Speaker 3>might be kind of surprising, but naval minds did exist

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<v Speaker 3>in the nineteenth century, primarily based at the time on gunpowder,

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<v Speaker 3>which was a granular mixture of potassium, nitrate, sulfur and charcoal, which,

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<v Speaker 3>for hundreds of years at this point, for hundreds of

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<v Speaker 3>years since its invention in ninth century China had been

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<v Speaker 3>the most important practical explosive known to humanity. There was

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<v Speaker 3>really nothing else out there that was more powerful, that

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<v Speaker 3>could be manufactured practically in significant quantities.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to know a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>about the Chinese history of explosives, we've recorded at least

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of episodes on this in the past. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe if he did an invention of fireworks episode at

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<v Speaker 2>one point, So go back, you'll find that in the

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<v Speaker 2>audio archives.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I was reading about Nobel in a number

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<v Speaker 3>of sources. One of them was a twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>history dot Com article by Christopher Klein, and just one

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<v Speaker 3>funny thing he noted is that the young Alfred Nobel

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<v Speaker 3>had actually been interested in studying poetry. Maybe he had

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the soul of a poet or an artist,

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<v Speaker 3>but his father was not a fan of this path,

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<v Speaker 3>and so tried to steer him elsewhere. He tried to

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<v Speaker 3>funnel his son into the explosives business like his own business.

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<v Speaker 3>So he sent young Alfred away at age seventeen to

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<v Speaker 3>study under a prominent chemist in Paris to learn about

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<v Speaker 3>the cutting edge of explosives in chemistry. And while pursuing

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<v Speaker 3>his education, Nobel became familiar with the work of an

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<v Speaker 3>Italian chemist named Ascanio Sobrero, who in eighteen forty six

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<v Speaker 3>had discovered a new chemical explosive called nitro glycerin.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this just really goes to show how crushed

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<v Speaker 2>his poetic aspirations probably were because you can't rhyme anything

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<v Speaker 2>with nitroglycerin or diotomaceous. I mean, maybe with great skill

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<v Speaker 2>you could, but you know, this alone had to just

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<v Speaker 2>really finish off his poetic dreams.

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<v Speaker 3>Diatomacious rhymes with gracious. You know, gracious, I feel so

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<v Speaker 3>gracious about this diatomaceous earth that goes in my nitroglycerin. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've heard shakier rhymes before, so maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>could have worked.

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<v Speaker 3>So to make nitroglycerin, you start with a common and

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<v Speaker 3>widely used sugar alcohol called glycerol or sometimes sold as glycerin.

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<v Speaker 3>Glycerl is a naturally occurring organic molecule, so it's produced

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<v Speaker 3>in the bodies of plants and animals, but you can

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<v Speaker 3>also make it in industrial settings. For example, it has

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<v Speaker 3>historically been one byproduct of the process of manufacturing soap,

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<v Speaker 3>and other industrial processes can create it. And what Sobrero

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<v Speaker 3>discovered is that if you do a process called nitrating glycerol.

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<v Speaker 3>If you nitrate glycerol by mixing it with a combination

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<v Speaker 3>of nitric acid and sulfuric acid, you get a massively

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<v Speaker 3>exothermic chemical reaction, so chemical reaction that puts out a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of heat. This mixture starts to heat up rapidly

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<v Speaker 3>and can become very dangerous. It can even possibly explode. However,

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<v Speaker 3>Sobrero figured out that if you keep cooling, if you

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<v Speaker 3>aggressively cool the mixture while you're stirring the constituents together,

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<v Speaker 3>you can prevent this heating and you can stabilize it.

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<v Speaker 3>And what you are left with is an oily liquid

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<v Speaker 3>explosive sometimes described as yellow in color, though I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's supposed to be colorless at very high purity levels.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe a pale yellow color often and this mixture

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<v Speaker 3>that you're left with is much more energetic than gunpowder.

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<v Speaker 3>So in the mid nineteenth century, nitroglycerin would be one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most powerful chemical explosives that anybody had ever discovered,

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<v Speaker 3>and it promised to be revolutionary for tons of industries.

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<v Speaker 3>When we think of explosives, of course, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>can think of like the dark side, like violence and warfare,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can also think of lots of very productive,

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<v Speaker 3>peaceful uses for dynamite, and that was a major part

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<v Speaker 3>of its economic value. Value in like mining, civil engineering,

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<v Speaker 3>and transportation basically anything that involved blasting or tunneling through rock,

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<v Speaker 3>those industries could be could get a huge step up

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<v Speaker 3>from the invention of nitroglycerin. However, it came with a

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<v Speaker 3>major downside. While extremely powerful, nitroglycerin was also incredibly sensitive

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<v Speaker 3>and thus incredibly dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for a cinematic example of this, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>instantly think to the film The Wages of Fear or

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<v Speaker 2>the remake Sorcerer, in which you have, for plot reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>a truck loaded with nitroglycerin having to having to navigate

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<v Speaker 2>extremely bad mountain roads, and there's just a risk of

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<v Speaker 2>explosion almost you know, at every bump because of this.

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<v Speaker 3>That will get more horrifying when I start talking about

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<v Speaker 3>some of these historical examples. But yeah, so you had

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of liquid fire that before it was called nitroglycerin.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually Ascanio Sobrero was calling it pyro glycerin. So like

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<v Speaker 3>the glycerin of fire, this alcohol sugar alcohol molecule of fire.

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<v Speaker 3>And Sobrero's journals from early synthesis do, of course, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's nineteenth century, they do include tasting notes. He says

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<v Speaker 3>it is sweet and pungent on the tongue and that

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<v Speaker 3>it smells aromatic. But he also like includes a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of caution in his early writing about it. He says

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<v Speaker 3>research must be carried out with the greatest of care.

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<v Speaker 3>Several of his experiments in the lab ended with unintentional explosions,

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<v Speaker 3>including one case where a drop of nitroglycerin in a

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<v Speaker 3>test tube exploded and embedded fragments of glass in his face.

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<v Speaker 3>A Sobrero would also later say that he was so

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<v Speaker 3>horrified by the destructive potential of nitroglycerin that he was

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<v Speaker 3>ashamed to have discovered it, but he also took solace

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<v Speaker 3>in the idea that if he had not created it,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody else would have pretty soon, you know. So it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't like, you know, nobody else would have ever come

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<v Speaker 3>across this formula. It's just kind of it's waiting there

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<v Speaker 3>in physics for us to find.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of people were working in this field

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to trying to find just such a substance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. One more note about the fact that he tasted it.

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<v Speaker 3>Chemists who tasted nitro in the mid nineteenth century sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>reported that ingesting it would create pounding headaches. I think

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<v Speaker 3>this is related to nitroglycerin's effect as a vasodilator, so

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<v Speaker 3>it relaxes blood vessels and increases blood flow and perhaps surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 3>though I would not recommend ingesting it without the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>without the supervision of a doctor. It is still used

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<v Speaker 3>today to treat like angina, pectorus, like chest pain.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you still do hear about people who are

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<v Speaker 2>taking nitroglycerin.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So, sobrero kind of leaves off with nitro for

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<v Speaker 3>a while, and Alfred Nobel picked up the trail. He

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<v Speaker 3>saw enormous potential for nitroglycerin, given the power that it

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<v Speaker 3>could unleash. So Nobel started experimenting to see how he

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<v Speaker 3>could make it practical to use. Reading about the early

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<v Speaker 3>history of nitroglycerin is this morbid mix of comedy and tragedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Mostly tragedy, but there is a sort of grimly ironic

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<v Speaker 3>element when you just read, like tail after tale of

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<v Speaker 3>these horribly deadly whoopsies piling up. So there are constant

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<v Speaker 3>stories of unintended explosions during storage and transport. If the

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<v Speaker 3>nitro got too hot might explode. The even more important

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<v Speaker 3>thing is if it got jostled the wrong way might explode.

0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:34.960
<v Speaker 3>It was highly sensitive to temperature, but especially shocks, physical shocks,

0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:40.520
<v Speaker 3>And though this probably isn't quite true about how it works, it,

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<v Speaker 3>I think sometimes it seemed to people at the time

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<v Speaker 3>that it would just explode randomly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and even if not true, that's just a minor

0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.760
<v Speaker 2>exaggeration based on how sensitive it was.

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<v Speaker 3>So there were massive explosions in Nobel's own laboratories, including

0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.000
<v Speaker 3>one explosion that kill Old Alfred's younger brother Emil in

0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.960
<v Speaker 3>eighteen sixty four. These explosions in Nobel's lab also got

0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.160
<v Speaker 3>his research banned from the city of Stockholm in Sweden.

0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.680
<v Speaker 3>They were like, okay, you can't do this here anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Nobel had a factory in Germany that exploded,

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<v Speaker 3>killing a bunch of people. And once nitroglycerin was being

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<v Speaker 3>sold to the public in the eighteen sixties by Nobel

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<v Speaker 3>and by others, it kept causing disasters all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>So in April nineteen sixty six, there were two different,

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<v Speaker 3>just that one month, two different enormous, highly fatal nitroglycerin

0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:41.360
<v Speaker 3>accidents in the Western Hemisphere. I was reading about these

0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.880
<v Speaker 3>both of these accidents on a digital exhibit about railroad

0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.840
<v Speaker 3>history hosted at the Linda Hall Library of Kansas City website.

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<v Speaker 3>So the first incident was on April third, eighteen sixty six.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a steamship loaded with seventy crates of nitroglycerin

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<v Speaker 3>among other carb cargo, sitting in a harbor in Panama.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was eventually bound for California, but it

0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.840
<v Speaker 3>exploded while while tied up at the dock, and that

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<v Speaker 3>killed around fifty people. And then just a few weeks later,

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<v Speaker 3>a roughly three hundred pound crate was awaiting delivery at

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<v Speaker 3>a Wells Fargo office in San Francisco when the workers

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<v Speaker 3>noticed that it was leaking some kind of oily fluid

0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.320
<v Speaker 3>onto the floor, and this kicked off an inquest about

0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.280
<v Speaker 3>whose fault it was that the crate was leaking. So

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<v Speaker 3>workers at the office got a hammer and they started

0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.400
<v Speaker 3>trying to pry open the box to see what the

0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.280
<v Speaker 3>damage was, and the process of opening the box caused

0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.960
<v Speaker 3>an explosion that completely destroyed the building and killed fifteen people.

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<v Speaker 4>Nikes.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, horribly dangerous stuff and these mechanical shocks jostling

0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.760
<v Speaker 3>could set it off and then the results are horrible.

0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:00.000
<v Speaker 3>But eventually, after a lot of continuous work, no Better

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<v Speaker 3>Well figured out some methods for making nitroglycerin usable by

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<v Speaker 3>making it less dangerous and temperamental. And one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most historically significant of these solutions involved diatomaceous earth, which

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<v Speaker 3>Nobel knew under the name the German named Kieselgre. Now

0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.679
<v Speaker 3>there's another invention relevant to nitroglycerin that Nobel came up with.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just as important, called the blasting cap, which was

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<v Speaker 3>a two stage ignition or detonation device for nitroglycerin. This

0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.720
<v Speaker 3>was created to solve a problem which was that, ironically,

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<v Speaker 3>despite the fact that nitro would often explode when you

0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.439
<v Speaker 3>didn't want it to, sometimes it wouldn't explode when you

0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.320
<v Speaker 3>did want it to. So, for example, you could not

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<v Speaker 3>just run a traditional fuse to a massive nitroglycerin the

0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.720
<v Speaker 3>way you'd run a fuse to a massive gunpowder to

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<v Speaker 3>blow it up. You run a fused to nitroglycerin, and

0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.120
<v Speaker 3>some sometimes the presence of fire would simply result in

0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.719
<v Speaker 3>the surface of the nitro catching fire rather than in

0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.840
<v Speaker 3>what you want, which is the sudden release of all

0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:14.040
<v Speaker 3>of the nitroglycerin's energy in an explosion. The blasting cap

0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.719
<v Speaker 3>got around this problem with a clever design. So it

0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:22.560
<v Speaker 3>was a multi chambered, multi explosive plug that used a

0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:28.680
<v Speaker 3>fuse traditional fuse to ignite a primary explosive like mercury fulminate,

0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.560
<v Speaker 3>and the explosion of that would cause a shock wave

0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:37.679
<v Speaker 3>that would reliably trigger a second chamber of nitroglycerin to explode.

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<v Speaker 3>So fuse ignites the primary, the shockwave from the exploding

0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.320
<v Speaker 3>primary detonates the nitro.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the blasting cap innovation does not in any

0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:51.640
<v Speaker 2>way make the nitroglycerin safer or more stable in terms

0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.080
<v Speaker 2>of like keeping it from randomly blowing up or seeming

0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.639
<v Speaker 2>to randomly blow up, but rather it just makes it

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<v Speaker 2>more reliable when you do want it to blow up.

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<v Speaker 3>The major safety and stability innovation comes in with the

0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 3>diatamacious earth the keesel gore. So, how does that come in?

0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:11.280
<v Speaker 3>Nobell figured out that if you mix liquid nitroglycerine with

0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.600
<v Speaker 3>keyesel gore, so with diatamacious earth, the ground up fossilized

0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.199
<v Speaker 3>skeletons of this ancient algae, you end up with a

0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.919
<v Speaker 3>multiple paste, which is useful for multiple reasons. One is

0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.000
<v Speaker 3>that as a paste, you can shape it however you want,

0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.879
<v Speaker 3>so you can like shape it into rods. You're probably

0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.920
<v Speaker 3>imagining when you think of dynamite a cylindrical stick, and

0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.680
<v Speaker 3>that is actually useful because you can if you're blasting rock,

0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.479
<v Speaker 3>you can drill holes in the rock and insert the

0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:42.879
<v Speaker 3>sticks into the holes.

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<v Speaker 2>A big downside, though, is that a cartoon character might

0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.359
<v Speaker 2>stick one in their mouth thinking it's a cigar or

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<v Speaker 2>a cars for a light.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that you don't want to get it mixed up

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<v Speaker 3>with carrot. But the other major change, or the other

0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.800
<v Speaker 3>major thing that makes this pay very useful, is that

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<v Speaker 3>it is far more stable than liquid nitroglycerin, less sensitive

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:11.199
<v Speaker 3>to physical shocks, and less prone to random explosions. So

0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:16.320
<v Speaker 3>by absorbing the liquid into this porous dust. You prevent

0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:21.119
<v Speaker 3>physical actions like sloshing, which can happen with liquid nitro glycerine.

0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.280
<v Speaker 3>Slashing is really bad. That can be you know, that

0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.400
<v Speaker 3>can make it blow up. And I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>sort of the way it works, based on what I've

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:33.040
<v Speaker 3>been reading, is that you generally limit the propagation of

0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:37.560
<v Speaker 3>mechanical shocks through the material by turning it into a paste.

0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.280
<v Speaker 3>So you just make it less prone to unwanted chain

0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:44.399
<v Speaker 3>reactions from shaking and jostling. If you picture like a

0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.639
<v Speaker 3>bottle full of just liquid, you know, oil or water

0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.960
<v Speaker 3>clear bottle, and you like flick the side of the bottle,

0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.919
<v Speaker 3>you can see waves rippling through the liquid inside. It

0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.240
<v Speaker 3>will propagate, you know, the impact will propagate through the liquid.

0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.600
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of hard to imagine waves rippling through a paste.

0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:08.040
<v Speaker 3>You're not really going to see waves propagating. Mechanical shocks

0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:12.360
<v Speaker 3>in a paste are absorbed and contained locally by deformation

0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.720
<v Speaker 3>of the paste. So that's, to my best understanding, one

0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.560
<v Speaker 3>of the main mechanisms of how it becomes safer in

0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:26.440
<v Speaker 3>paste form. So anyway, this combination of nitroglycerine and diatamacious earth,

0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:30.320
<v Speaker 3>which Nobel patented in eighteen sixty seven is what became

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<v Speaker 3>known as dynamite. Dynamite comes from the word dynamite comes

0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.359
<v Speaker 3>from the Greek word for power dynamies, So dynamite is

0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.679
<v Speaker 3>like the paste of power. And though I don't know

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 3>if this was intentional, I do like also that eight

0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.440
<v Speaker 3>is the suffix we often apply to like a mineral

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<v Speaker 3>or a rock, so you could also, I don't know

0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.440
<v Speaker 3>if Nobel meant it this way, but you could also

0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 3>think of it as like the rock of power.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Together with the invention of the blasting cap, dynamite paste

0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:08.359
<v Speaker 3>was a revolutionary material throughout multiple industries. And a funny

0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 3>note on the name I think I also read this

0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.120
<v Speaker 3>in that history dot Com article. No Bell had been

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 3>trying to shake the bad reputation that followed nitroglycerin and

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 3>followed him after like all these infamous deadly explosions, and

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<v Speaker 3>so to put people's fears to rest, he initially wanted

0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:31.280
<v Speaker 3>to call dynamite quote Nobel's safety blasting powder.

0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.919
<v Speaker 2>He can imagine the label, Yeah, Nobell's safety blasting powder,

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<v Speaker 2>not for military use.

0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So the name did not stick, But if it

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<v Speaker 3>had the safety in the safety powder would come in

0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.320
<v Speaker 3>large part from the dietamacious earth. However, I do want

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<v Speaker 3>to note that diatamacious earth is not the only substance

0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.920
<v Speaker 3>that can stabilize nitroglycerin in this manner, So a lot

0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 3>of absorbent powders and materials will work the same. And

0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.880
<v Speaker 3>I and I believe many subsequent dynamite preparations used other

0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:10.120
<v Speaker 3>absorbent solids like sawdust or paper pulp, which work as

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:16.680
<v Speaker 3>well or better. But dietom skeletons were there first.

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, you know, since we're talking, you mentioned

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:31.440
<v Speaker 2>the absorbent qualities of the diatamacious earth, So let's let's

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:35.080
<v Speaker 2>talk about another big one previously kind of invisible to me.

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 2>There are various diatomic products out there, you know, toothpas

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:44.240
<v Speaker 2>for example, and so forth, but in any number of

0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:48.199
<v Speaker 2>industrial and product based uses. But a big one that

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<v Speaker 2>I was that I was completely unaware of is cat litter.

0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 2>So to refresh your indoor cat, if you have one,

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:58.920
<v Speaker 2>or your friend's indoor cat, whatever your exposure level to

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.159
<v Speaker 2>these feel lines happens to be. These are creatures of

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the desert, and being a creature of the desert, they

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 2>require a miniature desert in your house in which to

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 2>do their business. The cat is a lonely hunter, but

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.919
<v Speaker 2>it is also prey for larger creatures, so it adapted

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>to hide its urine and its feces in loose substrate

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:24.399
<v Speaker 2>to mask its scent. You know, given you know that

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 2>they'll prefer to use something like sand or you know

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 2>what we think of a litter But of course they will,

0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 2>as many of us cat owners know, they will also

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 2>try to use other things, be it a bedspread or

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.879
<v Speaker 2>what have you, something where they're like, okay, I could

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 2>go here and then maybe disguise it, you know, falling

0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 2>back on these these highly evolved practices that apply to

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:49.560
<v Speaker 2>a dry environment.

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.399
<v Speaker 3>This is interesting. This is something I feel like I

0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:54.760
<v Speaker 3>should have already looked up and known the answer to.

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 3>But I didn't really know. Why do cats I mean again,

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 3>not all cats, that's all the time, but why generally

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 3>do cats know to use the litter box without training?

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 3>So you put out cat litter, cats go to the

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 3>litter box and do their business there. That seems strange.

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 3>I guess I would have assumed there's some kind of

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:17.640
<v Speaker 3>smell or scent that manufacturers add to it that attracts

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 3>the cat, but you're saying it's more of an evolutionary

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 3>attraction to doing their business in a sandy or gravelly

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 3>substrate because that's yeah, okay, so that is their natural

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.199
<v Speaker 3>tendency is to go in the sand. So if you

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 3>only have sand and sand like substance in one place

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 3>in your house, that's where they'll go exactly.

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's that's what's going on. And it's really

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about it the other day. I mean,

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 2>I think about the litter box every day because I

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 2>scoop it every day, but sometimes multiple times a day.

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 2>But it is one of the great things about a

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 2>domestic cat, a house cat, an indoor cat, but also

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:56.399
<v Speaker 2>a frequent pain point because on one hand, it's like

0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 2>it's basically a miracle because, like you say, you can

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 2>bring in a cat and for the most part, it's

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 2>just going to know to use the litter box or

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 2>use a litter box instead of all the various places

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 2>that it could be messing up with. It's urine and

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.880
<v Speaker 2>it's fecal matter. Not to say they won't still get

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 2>fecal matter or you're in elsewhere in the house, they

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 2>absolutely will, But on the whole it will be isolated

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 2>to one spot.

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.159
<v Speaker 3>It's a miracle. Really. Yeah. Imagine if you had to

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 3>train a cat where to go to the bathroom.

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean some people do. That's a

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 2>topic for another time, but yeah, it's pretty amazing. But

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>of course it is also one of the pain points

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 2>of owning a cat, because you've got to scoop the box,

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you've got to clean the box. And even though cats

0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 2>are rather clean creatures, they can still make a litter

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 2>box pretty foul for a number of reasons, many of

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 2>which we can't really blame on them. They're interfacing with

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 2>the technology that they did not invent it. We did

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 2>so briefly about the invention of cat litter as a whole.

0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 2>So prior to around nineteen forty seven, owners either of

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 2>course didn't use litter, as cats were primarily outdoor creatures

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 2>or the very least indoor outdoor. The advent of the

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>true indoor cat is relatively recent, and if they were

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 2>going in some sort of a substrate that was provided

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>for them, people would use sand, they would use ashes,

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>sawdust or something like this. And then in forty seven,

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 2>a man by the name of Edward Lowe who lived

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty through nineteen ninety five is generally regarded as

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:35.160
<v Speaker 2>having invented the first cat litter made of clay, basing

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:40.400
<v Speaker 2>it off of what he knew regarding industrial absorbent materials. So,

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, knowing that, okay, if we have some sort

0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 2>of a spill and a factory, there are certain things

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 2>we can throw on that to help absorb the moisture

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 2>and you know, aid and clean up. And he began

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 2>to apply some of that to the cat cat box situation. Now,

0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 2>clumping cat litter comes later. Most of us were familiar

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 2>with some sort of a clumping cat litter. I remember

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I have had some friends that were themselves not cat owners,

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:12.639
<v Speaker 2>and they volunteered to cat sit for another friend. And

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 2>I remember stories of one of these individuals being rather

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:18.959
<v Speaker 2>shocked by the clumps that they were having to get

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 2>out of the litter box, like they didn't know what

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 2>they were. They were like, what is going on here?

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 2>This is weird. Cat's going in the box leaving behind

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 2>poop and big balls of clumped material. This comes later.

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 2>This is like a nineteen eighties innovation via moisture locking

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>minerals that are added into the mix. So yeah, we

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>end up in the age of litter and the pros.

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, cat will use the bathroom on its own

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 2>time in a designated space. You don't have to walk

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the cat. Depending on conditions and individual cat personality, the

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 2>cat might even bury what it leaves in the box.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Your experience may vary out there. My current cat, Mochi,

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>generally does not bury anything she may and again this

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 2>is not entirely on her. Cats are following certain programming.

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 2>The cat will do something like go in the box

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and then like scrape on the top of the box

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>like do the digging motions somewhere or in some manner

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't actually bury anything. So you know, like she's

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 2>going through the motions. It's not her fault that. Again,

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 2>this technology is weird, and maybe the litter boxes should

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 2>be much larger, I don't know, but you know, we

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>make do with what we got.

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Many's kind of like when if you've ever seen people

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 3>out walking their dog and they they like stoop down

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 3>to pretend they're picking up the dog poop. They don't

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 3>really pick it up.

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.959
<v Speaker 2>Well like that, but without intent. It's like if that

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 2>person were just like so distracted that they were just

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>going through the motions of picking it up. I guess

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>there are some things that humans do kind of like

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 2>if you ever find yourself going to put dirty dishes

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 2>in the laundry hamper or or our dirty laundry into

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 2>the swasher, and you're like, what am I doing? I

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>guess it may be on some.

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Level like that. Cats have a lot on their minds.

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>And the other great thing about cat litter is that

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 2>many forms of litter will rapidly dehydrate fecal matter and

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>cause urine to clump into those easily scooped clumps. So

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>in general you're just left with a dryer clean up area,

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 2>so like a cleaning up. This is, you know, an

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 2>overstatement of the obvious, but it is so much more

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>pleasant to clean up partially or wholly dehydrated cat crap

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>and certainly clumped cat urine as opposed to say, a

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>puddle of it. I've cleaned up all of these things,

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 2>all the different forms of urine and cat fecal matter before,

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it's much easier if it's dried out.

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>But the big cons of course, is that all litter

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>box choices are subject to cat approval. All litter box

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>arrangements are subject to change at any moment. New litters

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>that you may try to gradually introduced could be just

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 2>rejected out of hand or gradually rejected. This I've encountered

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>many times before we're like, let's let's try a different litter,

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and I'm always like, yeah, let's do it. But you know,

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the cat has to approve of it, so you'll begin

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 2>to change it over gradually, and a lot of times

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.959
<v Speaker 2>this works. This is generally what's advised of cat owners,

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 2>like gradually change over to this different litter so the

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>cat can get used to it and you won't disrupt anything.

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, like you use a mix or something, yeah,

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 3>to like.

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Use a little bit of the old mix some of

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>this new mix and then gradually change the proportions until

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 2>it's just the new mixture. But I've had situations where

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>our cat will be like, no, this is not what

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to poop in anymore. I'll pee in it,

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 2>but no more poop, or they'll just or they're just

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 2>up and decide this is not it anymore. Now it's

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the bed in the guest bedroom.

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 3>So Rob, can I ask I don't have a cat

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 3>and haven't had one for many years, But I have

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 3>a vague, long ago cat memory from family cats that

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 3>sometimes the cats attempt to be hygienic in burying the

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 3>material will actually create more of a mess because they

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 3>will end up kicking a bunch of cat litter out

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 3>of the box all over the room.

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean this, there's a whole suite of problems

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 2>associated with and it varies depending on what kind of

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>litter you're using, Like, is this a letter litter that

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 2>the cat is going to, you know, kick out of

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the litter box? Is the litter box constructed in a

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 2>way that enables us to happen more readily, or is

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>the cat going to track it out? Some litter litters

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 2>are more trackable and so forth. So yeah, they're they're

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 2>fastidious little creatures, but you know, they they still can

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>be quite foul, either accidentally or certainly as they get older.

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's the other big con is that litter

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:47.239
<v Speaker 2>boxes can still produce odor and or mess. They have

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 2>to be maintained, they have to be cleaned, and the

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>cat is only going to help you so much in

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 2>doing any of that. So cat owners, I think already

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>know this, But there are a variety of litters to

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 2>choose from out there. They range from clay baits clumping

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>litter that that that my that I believe that's the

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of my cat uses and prefers. You also have

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 2>plant based, clumping and non clumping litters made from all

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>sorts of things like corn tofu. Newspaper is a big one. Uh,

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 2>this is this is pretty fascinating. Anyone out there who's

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:18.959
<v Speaker 2>into growing their own mushrooms might be aware of this.

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>But there at least used to be one called Yesterday's

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>News as a cat litter made from newspaper and it

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and something about the way that it was it was

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 2>manufactured and like the purity of it it was ideal

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 2>for growing oyster mushrooms out.

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Of Now, I assume you wouldn't want to cross the

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 3>streams there not like using it as cat litter and growing.

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you wouldn't want to know absolutely, but but it

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 2>was apparently, uh you know, some some cat owners liked

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>using it, but also mushroom enthusiasts were fond of it

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>as well. And yeah, so so there are various other

0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 2>litters as well. Crystal litters are really big now, you know,

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 2>to ones that were the color changes depending on what's

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>going on in the cat's urine. And then you also

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>have diatomaceous cat litter as well.

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Awesome.

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I have not personally, or I certainly have

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 2>it personally, but my cat has not tried out diatamacious

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>cat litter. But this is to understand typically food gray

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 2>diatamacious earth that offers natural odor control and is often

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 2>sought out for being a physically lighter alternative. This is

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.399
<v Speaker 2>of course one of the big things about cat litter

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 2>for using like a like, especially like a clay based

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 2>This is like a big tub, a big heavy tub

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>you have to bring into the house every so often,

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 2>and it's not necessarily a workout you want to incorporate

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 2>into your weekly life.

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 3>But as we've talked about, diatamacious earth tends to be

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 3>very low density. Yeah, so for us, you know, it's

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 3>made of these kinds of cages with lots of little

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 3>hollows in the grains.

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so much lighter, much lighter. And then indeed, that's

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the appealing things about different non clay litters.

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh it's lighter. Maybe I can get it

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 2>shipped to me. You know, it's just gonna be less

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.879
<v Speaker 2>of a hassle to carry. Other things about diatamacious cat

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:11.720
<v Speaker 2>litter is that it's also generally chemical free and considered

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>non toxic. I'd be interested to hear what listeners out

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 2>there have to share if you've tried diatamacious cat litters.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 2>But I think all of this makes sense given what

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 2>we've established about the substance. Now cat owners in general,

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 2>just looking around at some of the chatter online, they

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 2>seem to go back and forth on diatamacious earth litters

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and diatamacious earth based litters. You know, some saying well, okay,

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm worried about potential respiratory impact and so forth. I'd

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.240
<v Speaker 2>say on any of that, you know, ask your vet,

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 2>or if you're worried about yourself, ask your your actual doctor.

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 2>But this is another This is another thing with litters

0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 2>in general. Some litters they can throw up a great

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:56.359
<v Speaker 2>deal of dust into the air. Lighter litters, too, might

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 2>track out a little more easily. So you know, there's

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 2>there's there's no perfect world here. There's gonna be some

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>drawback no matter what you're doing, because at the end

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.759
<v Speaker 2>of the day, there is a small predatory creature that's

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 2>living in your house, and it is pooping in a.

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 3>Box, And so wouldn't it be cool if it was

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 3>pooping into the trillions of fossilized skeletons of ancient algae.

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it would be fitting, given that these are

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 2>tiny little predators who seem very very high and mighty

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>at times. You know that they venture into this mass

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 2>grave of prehistoric organisms, and that is where they do

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>their business, you know, on pyramids of fossils.

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Poop on the graveyard of eons past.

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, So I wanted to talk about just a

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 5>few more quickly, a few more human uses of dietamacious earth.

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Ranging from the weird to the mundane. Though again they're

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.879
<v Speaker 3>all pretty weird when you think about what dietamacious earth

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 3>is these fossil skeletons. So one I alluded to briefly

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:11.720
<v Speaker 3>in the last episode is filtration. Diatamacious earth is often

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 3>used to filter unwanted solids out of liquids. So, for example,

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 3>one major use is in pool cleaning systems. You know,

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 3>if you have a pool has a filtration device and

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 3>you can use different types of media there. So I

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 3>think some just use like sand, But diatamacious earth is

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 3>a popular choice there, but it's also in its food

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.799
<v Speaker 3>grade form used in the production of foods and beverages,

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:40.800
<v Speaker 3>for example, wine and beer. Pure dietamacious earth is considered

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 3>a good choice for filtering drinks like this because it

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 3>will catch and sive out suspended particles. In the case

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 3>of beer, this can include yeast and other particles of

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 3>like proteins that can cause cloudiness or haziness in beer.

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 3>In some beers, you know you want haziness. That's a

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 3>In some cases that's a property you're trying to retain.

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 3>In other cases, you want to filter it out and

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 3>increase the clarity of the beer.

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.919
<v Speaker 2>I've seen beers with names that invoke haziness as being

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>an important part of their personality.

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I like a hazy beer, but I also

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 3>like a clear beer. You know, it's different, different different

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:20.760
<v Speaker 3>beers for different years.

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm only clear if I am having a beer, it

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 2>needs to be so clear that I can see the

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 2>person on the other side of the table through it.

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think then you're probably drinking some beer that

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 3>has gone through some fossil Fossil dietm skeletons. It's not

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 3>the only filtration system used, but it's a common one.

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 3>So if you picture this process at the microscopic level,

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.840
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna have the liquid dripping through and you just

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:51.240
<v Speaker 3>imagine particles of yeast and the other floating objects becoming

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 3>caught in the cages and crags of these machine elf

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 3>gears as the liquid is going through it. It's useful

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 3>because it's good to you for filtration because, as you

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 3>were just talking about with the cat litter, it is

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 3>chemically inert. Basically it's glass, so it's not going to

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.320
<v Speaker 3>be chemically reacting with what's passing through it. It doesn't

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 3>really add a taste of its own. This, of course,

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 3>is provided you are using correctly food grade ditamacious earth.

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Use the wrong kind and you could add weird flavors

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 3>in addition to introducing safety issues. So I have to

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 3>use the food grade kind, and based on what I

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 3>was reading from Brewers, the biggest advantage dietamacious earth seems

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 3>to have over membrane based filters is that you can

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.319
<v Speaker 3>pass a lot more liquid through it before it effectively

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 3>becomes clogged.

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 2>If this is of course, this is going to be

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a no brainer for a lot of people, but generally,

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 2>when you're dealing with any kind of filtration system, it

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:53.280
<v Speaker 2>will reach a point where it cannot filter anymore because

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>it is filled of the stuff you're trying to filter.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 2>This is why if you have a filter for say

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:02.560
<v Speaker 2>your water supply in your refrigerator, that's why that needs

0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 2>to be changed out every so often or not used.

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Like it's either use it and replace it or don't

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 2>use it at all.

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, Another common use of dietamacious earth is as

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 3>an abrasive, so it's used as a mild abrasive and

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 3>different kinds of polishes. This is true and everything from

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 3>like you'll find like jewelry polishes that use dietamacious earth

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 3>polishes for metal working, and in some kinds of toothpaste.

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 3>I think at least it's not going to be in

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 3>all of them, but at least some brands of like

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 3>the gritty polishing paste that you get at the dentist,

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, and they were.

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Run and taste like hopefully mint. But also if you're

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 2>un lucky cherry or chocolate.

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:44.319
<v Speaker 3>You never got bubblegum.

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I have had bubblegum before. This is one of the

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 2>about the only things I can talk about with my hygienesis.

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what flavor do we have coming up? Hopefully

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 2>they'll say meant and you know after that you just

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 2>have stuff in your mouth the whole time.

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 3>And you can't talk again. It's not all of them,

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 3>but like some brands of this kind of polishing paste

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:07.359
<v Speaker 3>can use dietamacious earth. A more cutting edge proposed use

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 3>with some pun intended here that I thought was really

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 3>interesting is a use of dietamacious earth potentially in future

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 3>first aid when you are rapidly losing blood. So I

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 3>came across a paper from twenty twenty two called diatamite

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:29.280
<v Speaker 3>hemostatic particles with hierarchical porous structure for rapid and effective hemostasis.

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.799
<v Speaker 3>This was published in the journal Colloids and Surfaces B

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 3>bio Interfaces. The lead author is named Changsu. A bunch

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 3>of co authors listed, and the researchers in this paper

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 3>showed that you could promote rapid blood clotting after an

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 3>injury with the use of a topical granular treatment. So

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 3>you have kind of a sand that you would are

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 3>a sand based treatment that you would put on a wound.

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Though it wasn't sand, it was dietamacious earth. Though to

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 3>be clear, This is not just plain diatamacious earth straight

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 3>out of the bag. So don't think like it's a

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:06.840
<v Speaker 3>good idea. Oh if I get cut, I'm going to

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 3>reach into the bag and cram ditamacious earth on the

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 3>It was specially prepared product that had gone through a

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 3>process to enhance its blood clotting capabilities. The product they

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 3>created was called diatomite hemostatic granules, and so in a

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 3>model where they used these granules for treating amputations and rats,

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 3>the granules caused rapid coagulation without toxic side effects. And

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.359
<v Speaker 3>it seems like one of the major advantages here is

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 3>again this absorbent the porous absorbent qualities of diatamacious earth,

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 3>the ability to absorb fluids. This seems to sort of

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 3>concentrate the platelets at the blood at the exposure, at

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 3>the place where the cut is or the wound is,

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 3>and again promotes rapid clotting. And I think this is

0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 3>related to a lot of these other uses. One thing

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really get into, but it's sometimes used to

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 3>clean up spills. You know, dietamacious earth because it has

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 3>this absorbent quality, you can kind of soak things up

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:09.320
<v Speaker 3>in various situations.

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 2>So diatomite hemostatic granules, not for do it your self use,

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:18.280
<v Speaker 2>but maybe in the future, and certainly if you're writing

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>some science fiction and you want to jazz up your

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 2>your healthcare first aid scene, yeah, run with it.

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 3>I could imagine. Yeah, in the future, So somebody on

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 3>the alien planet, they get their arms sliced off by

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 3>a laser, and so you just cram some of the

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 3>some of the diatamite sand on there and it seals

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:36.359
<v Speaker 3>you right up.

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.919
<v Speaker 2>All right? Would you like to talk about some going

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 2>back to the organism level of things, Do you want

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 2>to talk about some diatoms of interest here?

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely? I would love to look at some of these

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 3>weird little guys.

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We talked a little bit about specific varieties and

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 2>species in the last episode, and as we close out

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 2>this episode, I just wanted to talk about a few

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>that turned up in my research as being particularly interesting

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 2>for one reason or another. A lot of this is

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 2>just how they look, you know, like why does this

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 2>one look like a star? Why does this one look

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 2>like a tube? Why does this one look like a gear? Again,

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.799
<v Speaker 2>there's so much variety, so much visual variety in what's

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:23.399
<v Speaker 2>going on and sometimes that does seem to cross over

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:27.359
<v Speaker 2>into their functionality as well in fascinating ways. The first

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 2>one I want to talk about here is Corathron castra

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:38.400
<v Speaker 2>khani previously known as corathron cryophillum castra khani. This one

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:43.520
<v Speaker 2>is a spiky diatom, sometimes compared to a mace, though

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a bit of a stretch trying to

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.839
<v Speaker 2>infuse a little medieval warfare into it, because when I

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 2>see it, I think, okay, Chinese finger trap, which by

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the way, is a toy of non Chinese origin, but

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 2>everyone knows what I'm talking about, a Chinese finger trap,

0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 2>but with spikes I see.

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 3>I see a vacuum tube with tentacles.

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:05.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's that's more the vibe I get.

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Unless something that came out of the back of a

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 3>guitar amplifier and but then came alive and is now

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 3>it's also the thing.

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, a little bit for sure. Yeah, definitely a

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:22.360
<v Speaker 2>strange looking thing. Maybe not the most exotic of diatoms

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 2>if you just looking at an illustration with a bunch

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 2>of them, but once you really start looking at it,

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.799
<v Speaker 2>it is a weird one. So we're dealing with the

0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 2>marine plectonic diatom genus here, and one that's pretty widespread

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 2>today and in the fossil record back as far as

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:40.919
<v Speaker 2>the Cretaceous period. This according to this I was reading

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 2>about in the intriguing marine diatom genus corethron in late

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Cretaceous amber from Vendt, France by Martin at All, published

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen in Cretaceous Research. The interesting thing here is

0:45:55.000 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 2>that the fossil evidence of this particular organism it shows up.

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 3>In amber, oh like in Jurassic Park.

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.800
<v Speaker 2>The authors described this as a special case of biostratinemy.

0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 2>This is a fancy term for the study of an

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 2>organism's remains after it dies. And they say that this

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.759
<v Speaker 2>is a case quote where a marine taxon is incorporated

0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 2>into the liquid resin produced by trees. Implied that the

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Vendine amber forest grew in a near shore environment where

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 2>wind sea spray or high tide introduced the marine diaton

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.880
<v Speaker 2>frustules into the terrestrial realm.

0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:37.399
<v Speaker 3>WHOA, Okay, So if I'm understanding this right, they're saying

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.839
<v Speaker 3>that the fossil amber is going to be something that

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 3>came out of a plant like a tree. Maybe the

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 3>resin before it got hardened, and so it comes out

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:50.800
<v Speaker 3>and it's this sticky substance and it is somehow getting

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 3>seawater incorporated into it. So maybe it's at the shore

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 3>and it's getting sprayed by the waves, or there's a

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.360
<v Speaker 3>flood and it gets seawater on it. Somehow out the

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 3>seawater gets onto it, the seawater has these shells of

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:07.880
<v Speaker 3>the diatoms in the water, and thus it gets incorporated

0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:09.240
<v Speaker 3>into the fossil amber.

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 2>That's right, Yeah, okay, so pretty pretty amazing awesome. Yeah,

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.319
<v Speaker 2>So that in and of itself was worth focusing on.

0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:20.800
<v Speaker 2>But there's more interesting about this. This this type of organism,

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 2>the corthron, is the only diatom genus that features separate

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:29.800
<v Speaker 2>movable components spines of the cell wall. The authors point

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.319
<v Speaker 2>out that all corthron species can move at least to

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:36.560
<v Speaker 2>some degree, and that the movement is mechanical, as these

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 2>spines are outside of the.

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Cell wallh Okay.

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Again, coming back to what we talked about before, where

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 2>with diatoms we're talking about a single cell organism. We're

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 2>looking at a cell. Yeah, so this their cell body here,

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 2>this tube. It has a valve at either end, one

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 2>circled by long spines with tiny barbs, and the other

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 2>has these short hooked spines, forming what is sometimes called

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 2>a crown or described as a crown, and the hooks

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 2>lock the spines in place, apparently until the organism reaches maturity,

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:11.439
<v Speaker 2>and then the spines swing out seemingly to quote keep

0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 2>cells apart or serve as a physical defense against zooplankton

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 2>that you know might eat them.

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, so it's it's got some weaponry or defensive mechanisms.

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in a very kind of basic sense, you know,

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 2>just sort of like creating space with spines. That's sort

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:28.880
<v Speaker 2>of yeah.

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>The way that the silica spines are attached to the

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 2>dome shaped valves, though, is sometimes described as very much

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>being a ball in socket style joint. You can look

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.279
<v Speaker 2>up imagery of this. I included an example here from

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 2>a study Joe for you to look at, and folks

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 2>at home you can look up at the examples of

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 2>this as well by just doing a Google search. But

0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 2>you do, yeah, you do get this sense of like

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>a ball in socket sort of joint. So it's pretty amazing.

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.439
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So is that how if I'm understanding this right,

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 3>that's how the spines kind of move on the outside

0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:04.719
<v Speaker 3>is Yeah, they have a they are loosely attached at

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 3>the opening, but they have something, a thicker element behind

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 3>the opening that keeps the spines from falling out.

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 4>Correct, Yes, okay, all right.

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 2>For the next one I want to talk about, there

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:32.719
<v Speaker 2>is Basilaria pack Silafer. This one is also very fascinating.

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 2>This was very interesting to look at visually, at least

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:38.400
<v Speaker 2>if you're looking at a bunch of them, a colonial

0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:41.319
<v Speaker 2>assortment of them. So this is a because this is

0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 2>a colonial diatom with a unique form of movement. Individually,

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 2>they are not very interesting. Each one of these looks

0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe like a toothpick. I've seen them described as looking

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:55.040
<v Speaker 2>like pegs. They're just long and narrow. They look like

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:55.760
<v Speaker 2>little sticks.

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, long, thin, wand yeah.

0:49:58.239 --> 0:50:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so noting, nothing really remarkable in that. But they'll

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:06.040
<v Speaker 2>align parallel with one another to form these colonial formations

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that look very mechanical.

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so they're all lining up side by side,

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 3>and what originally was like a toothpick becomes kind of

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 3>a row of toothpicks and takes on this look like,

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:22.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, the expanding part of an accordion, maybe

0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:24.360
<v Speaker 3>or like blinds or something.

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, blinds. That's a good example, a good way to

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:30.400
<v Speaker 2>think of them. I was trying to think, well, what

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:32.920
<v Speaker 2>is this reminding me of? And I think it was

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 2>reminding me a bit of collated framing nails, you know,

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 2>where you'll have like the nails that are kind of

0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.360
<v Speaker 2>like stuck together with this stuff and they kind of

0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:41.839
<v Speaker 2>like line up parallel to each other.

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:42.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Or perhaps I'm thinking about some sort of licorice. Maybe

0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:47.640
<v Speaker 2>there's a licorice out there that I'm only half remembering

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 2>that has this kind of formation. So the crazy thing

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:53.879
<v Speaker 2>about this formation is they're not just again, this has

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 2>to do with how they end up moving as a group.

0:50:56.840 --> 0:51:00.680
<v Speaker 2>So in this formation, they're able to slide against the neighbors,

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:04.680
<v Speaker 2>and they can coordinate these movements in their own way

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:08.839
<v Speaker 2>to move the entire formation by compacting it and expanding it.

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So each individual dietom is its own single celled organism,

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:19.399
<v Speaker 3>but they group together into these colonies, these groupings, and

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 3>as a group they are able to kind of expand

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.520
<v Speaker 3>and contract in a way that moves the whole group.

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And one of the fascinating sort of science world

0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 2>things about this is that this is mentioned in like

0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>the Wikipedia article about this type of diatom, but I

0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.840
<v Speaker 2>dug into it and found the paper where it was

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 2>being discussed in detail. This diatom has its own dance,

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 2>its own dance that some human scientists have performed on occasion,

0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:52.920
<v Speaker 2>though I'm not sure if it's recommended that scientists do

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:56.880
<v Speaker 2>this at any conferences today. As we'll discuss, it was

0:51:56.960 --> 0:52:02.120
<v Speaker 2>acceptable in the eighties. It was acceptable. This was detailed

0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 2>in the Colonial Diatom Basilaria Paradoxa. This was by using

0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:11.279
<v Speaker 2>it all, published two thousand and five, and it is

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 2>referring back to something that would have occurred in I

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>believe nineteen eighty seven, and this would have been at

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 2>the North American Diatom Symposium or NADS. The dance was

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:29.760
<v Speaker 2>allegedly invented by Edward C. Theiat and p Rogers Sweets. Okay,

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.399
<v Speaker 2>so this basically involved We already talked about the way

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 2>that the diatoms move colonially. This basically involves biologists in

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 2>varying states of sobriety lining up next to each other,

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:43.719
<v Speaker 2>I think like front to back sort of a situation,

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:46.840
<v Speaker 2>lining up with each other like this, and then rubbing,

0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:52.000
<v Speaker 2>moving against each other in order to move like colonial diatoms. Okay,

0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:56.320
<v Speaker 2>this paper that I referenced, they include an interview snippet

0:52:56.360 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 2>with the biologist theiat who had produced some footage of

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 2>the organism's movements prior and like this led into the

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 2>different biologists trying it out. So reading from this interview

0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:13.400
<v Speaker 2>snippet in this article, he says, quote choreography was very basic.

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<v Speaker 2>Chant do the bas cellaria? Do the basilaria up in

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<v Speaker 2>tone on the first, uh down on the second. During

0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 2>the chant, everyone slid tightly against the next person front

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 2>to back. As I recall, central nodule job was to

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<v Speaker 2>try to keep both ends moving at approximately the same rate.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll point out, he notes later, there would be

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<v Speaker 2>no such role for the actual diatoms. There is no

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<v Speaker 2>leader for the diatoms, but they're just trying to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of physically recreate the movements here, he says, as we

0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.280
<v Speaker 2>got more practiced at it, we tried to move everyone

0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:53.400
<v Speaker 2>but at different rates, much like a real basilaria.

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<v Speaker 3>The dance. Cause, I do admit I'm having a little

0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 3>trouble picturing how the movement happens.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and it's worth noting here that the dance

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 2>caused some of the drunker or less coordinated dancers to

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<v Speaker 2>fall down on the floor fall out of the arrangement. Also,

0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:12.319
<v Speaker 2>some of the dancers were going to be were more

0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 2>comfortable with this dance because they're having to rub up

0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:17.799
<v Speaker 2>against their neighbor, and in many cases like maybe that

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:20.440
<v Speaker 2>neighbor is a significant other other times I guess it's

0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:25.320
<v Speaker 2>maybe a stranger. In general, I realized today this sounds

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.799
<v Speaker 2>like an hr nightmare. But apparently at the time in

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.520
<v Speaker 2>eighty seven it was acceptable. But they said they tried

0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:35.960
<v Speaker 2>it again at the Finland International Diatom meeting, but quote

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<v Speaker 2>it did not have the same magic.

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<v Speaker 3>The moment's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if biologists are still doing this

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<v Speaker 2>at any diatom symposiums out there. I imagine there's a

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 2>lot more paperwork involved if you do.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess if it's on a volunteer basis.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>One more thing about Busselaria here, and I realized I

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:59.480
<v Speaker 2>may have pronounced it like three different ways, but is

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the author's going out Like The really fascinating thing about

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 2>its movement is that it moves like a segmented organism

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:09.799
<v Speaker 2>in some respects, but each segment is an individual. So

0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:14.240
<v Speaker 2>what we have here is synchronize mechanical behavior in single

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 2>cell organisms.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The final one I want to talk about is

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<v Speaker 2>a plankton Alis soul. This one is just this one's

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<v Speaker 2>very beautiful to look at because it looks like a

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<v Speaker 2>like a solar disk, or some describe it as looking

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<v Speaker 2>like a maybe like a nineteen fifties UFO is seen

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<v Speaker 2>from above.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, it's it's the wicker Man.

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<v Speaker 3>We have the face of Nuada here.

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<v Speaker 2>It does kind of look like New auDA. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.799
<v Speaker 2>it's one that's going to stand out if you look

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:46.920
<v Speaker 2>at some of these illustrations of various diatom species. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's also one of these where if you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what you're looking at, it's easy to miss. Because we

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:54.720
<v Speaker 2>know that diatoms are cells, so it would be easy

0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:56.399
<v Speaker 2>to assume that we're just looking at a cell.

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<v Speaker 4>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's round, you know, it has different parts to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe you don't remember all the parts off the

0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:02.399
<v Speaker 2>top of your head, and you're like, okay, there's the cell,

0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 2>but the central part of it, well you might think

0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:08.640
<v Speaker 2>of the is the yolk of this fried egg. This

0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.840
<v Speaker 2>is the diatom cell. Meanwhile, the egg white part is

0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:14.880
<v Speaker 2>essentially a sale, and we see these structures kind of

0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 2>holding the sale out as well. And this segment, this

0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 2>wide of the egg on this particular diatom, this is

0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:27.920
<v Speaker 2>called the corona, and it is a ribbed extracellular matrix

0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:32.400
<v Speaker 2>that does act as a sale. So the corona increases

0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:35.799
<v Speaker 2>its surface area with this structure, and it allows it

0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:39.640
<v Speaker 2>to catch and travel on ocean currents more easily. So,

0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:41.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, something so small, we don't think about it

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 2>so much, but yeah, it is having to essentially sail

0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:48.920
<v Speaker 2>around in its watery environment. This seems to be a

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:54.160
<v Speaker 2>very successful design because this particular type is widely distributed,

0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.920
<v Speaker 2>common in tropical and subtropical waters, but with possible greater

0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 2>temperature tolerance in general. Apparently that's something that scientists are

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:05.120
<v Speaker 2>still studying. But it does not have a signature dance.

0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:07.759
<v Speaker 2>That's that's worth noting as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But if it did have a dance, I think it'd

0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:12.440
<v Speaker 3>be the wicker Man dance Christopher Lee is doing at

0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:14.840
<v Speaker 3>the front of the parade with the yeah yeah and

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:15.880
<v Speaker 3>some japes.

0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:16.160
<v Speaker 4>Man.

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I think he does some spinning around, you know, he

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:19.400
<v Speaker 2>does make sense.

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, Okay, well does that do it? For part two?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we going to come back for one more episode

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<v Speaker 3>on diatoms? I believe, we move on to something else.

0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I believe, so we have a little more history to cover,

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:36.280
<v Speaker 2>we may have some more specific types of diatoms to discuss,

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 2>and who knows what else, because again, its uses are

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:43.920
<v Speaker 2>so widespread, so specific at times, so mundane at times,

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:46.960
<v Speaker 2>but also fascinating in the way that again, these kind

0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:50.480
<v Speaker 2>of this kind of you know this, this dead soil

0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:56.160
<v Speaker 2>leftovers of these little tiny glass shelled creatures, you know

0:57:56.240 --> 0:58:00.560
<v Speaker 2>they they end up playing an important but almost role

0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 2>in so many aspects of our lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, well more next time.

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