1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: We are awaiting Senator Marsha Blackburn, a Republican from Tennessee, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: to wrap up a call her office tells us, and 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: then she will join us momentarily, but let's get set 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: up for it. Along with our Bloomberg Politics team, Bloomberg 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Political contributors at Janie Shanzano as well as Rick Davis, 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: the big story tonight to our All Star Policy panel, 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: the one point nine trillion dollar economic stimulus. A showdown 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: is looming between Democrats in the House and the Senate 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: over whether to include a fifteen dollar minimum wage with 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: COVID relief. Republicans have lined up against the nearly two 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: trillion dollar measure, and at least one Democrat in the 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: evenly divided Senate, Senator Joe Mansion of West Virginia, says 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: he oppodes opposes the wage hike. But in a news 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: conference today, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress must raise 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: the minimum wage, and she added that House Democrats plan 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: to do that. Here's the sound on this particular comment 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: from Speaker Pelosi. We have a very very strong argument, 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: and we have a very big need in our country 19 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: to pass the minimum wage. Meanwhile, over at the White House, 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: lawmakers are are forcing some fresh reaction from White House 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: Press Secretary Jensaki, who says that the White House is 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: open to other ideas, but she stresses that the majority 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: of Americans are in favor of the fifteen dollar minimum way. 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: It cheers to sound on that if somebody has a 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: better idea, by all means, bring it forward. We have 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: not seen one. This is a plan that he remains 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: committed to, and he is hopeful that Republicans many in 28 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: Congress will follow what their constituents want. Ric Davis, let's 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: begin with you just given your your sources within the 30 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: Republican Party, I mean, Republicans really do have so much 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: political leverage. Once this bill advances out of the House 32 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: on Friday and into the Senate, they've got a lot 33 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: of negotiating chips at their disposal. That's right, and they 34 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: are helped by the point you made her, or Kevin, 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: that that that a key Democrats. Senator Joe Manchin has 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: already staked out ground that he's not for the fifteen 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: dollar minimum wage increase. Now he's also staked out ground 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: that before a less high minimum wage increase, you know, 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: in the in the category of around eleven eleven dollars 40 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: an hour, and so the question is going to be 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: can he bring in Republicans to satisfy uh that that request, 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: which is to pass something around a minimum wage increase, 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: go ahead. Jenny, you know, I think that one of 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: the key issues is, you know, listening to the SOT 45 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: you just played from Nancy Pelosi is of course, and 46 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: Jensaki is that what you know, this is going to 47 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: be a huge challenge for Democrats as you listen to 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: somebody like Ao C. I think Jen Psaki is right. 49 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: Americans by and large support this across the board. Hence 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: what happened in Florida not that long ago, supporting the 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: minimum wage. But the problem for Democrats is Alexander Rocasio 52 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: Cortez came out instead of Democrats pull this or cut 53 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: this out of the bill, she may not vote for 54 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: the entire bill at all. I would assume she's not alone. 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: And then she also said she wouldn't support a compromise 56 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: with moderates for a smaller wayhike. So I think they're 57 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: going to face a challenge here from their left because 58 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't foresee this getting through the Senate. Well, that's 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: the trouble on the on the on the House side 60 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: with Congresswoman anoc Then it gets to the Senate joining 61 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: us on the telephone line. One of the Republican senators 62 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: who is in the thick of all of these types 63 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: of negotiations on the minimum wage. Just take a look 64 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: at her Twitter account where she's blasting it speaking. Senator 65 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee joins us, you've called this speaker 66 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi's wish list. Oh indeed, it is. When you 67 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: have a bill that about ten percent of it is 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: actually going to COVID relief and the rest is going 69 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: for pet projects. You've got three hundred and fifty billion 70 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: dollars that is going to some of the Blue states 71 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: for bailouts. You have, uh, some of these states that 72 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: are seeing rising revenues. You've got fifty billion dollars. Of that, 73 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: three fifty would go to New York, twenty seven billion 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: to California, and California has a surplus this year. When 75 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: you are looking at this fifteen dollar in our minimum wage, 76 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: the number of jobs that it would kill, and you know, 77 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Kevin I was talking to one of the county mayors 78 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: in Tennessee today and this is their top issue. They're 79 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: so concerned about this. He said, you know, we'll have 80 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: to raise property rates forty percent if you all move 81 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: forward with the mandated fifteen dollar and our minimum wage. 82 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: This is a small rural county and it is raised 83 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: the property Texas, or it is let people go. Senator 84 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: Marshall Blackburn's with those. She's a Republican from Tennessee, is 85 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: really in the in the heart of all of these 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: negotiations in the Senate. We're thrilled to have her to 87 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: give the Republican perspective tonight, Senator Blackbird, on the issue 88 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: of the minimum wage. Some folks in your party, including 89 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: senator's Portman Romney Cotton, they've introduced a gradual wage increase 90 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: to ten dollars an hour. Is that something that you 91 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: could get on board with. I think that having the 92 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: states deal with this is more appropriate because the the 93 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: income levels the minimum wages in different states and different 94 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: areas are different, and we want them to have that 95 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: opportunity UH to respond to what is happening with the 96 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: employment levels in their areas. So can I follow up 97 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: on this because so much of the conversation in in 98 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: some of the other UH political discourse avenues resolves around 99 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: that this is a black and white issue. But what 100 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: you're telling me is that in your state, in rural 101 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: communities in particular, where there are many small businesses, we're 102 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: talking only maybe even less than a dozen workers, that 103 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: they simply cannot afford. These small business owners could not 104 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: afford go ahead. That's right, they couldn't afford it. And 105 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: when we are talking to restaurants, when we're talking to 106 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: main street businesses that are small, family owned operations, they're 107 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: they're just very fearful of this. They want to get 108 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: their doors open. If many of them have gotten p 109 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: P P loans, they have really struggled to do right 110 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 1: by their employees, and they're looking at this and they're 111 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: just saying, please, do not hit us with a mandate 112 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: while we're trying to get our sea legs under us. 113 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Let's not do this. So we think that it's appropriate 114 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: to say we want everyone to make the maximum amount 115 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: that they can make a maximum wage. But right now 116 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: we have to be sensitive to the fact that a 117 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: lot of people have just had their backs against the wall, 118 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: if you will, they have found it very difficult and 119 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: they've struggled. And I talked to small business owners every 120 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: single day that have really not taken any salary or 121 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: any revenue from their business because they are trying to 122 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: keep people employed during this pandemic. I want to talk 123 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: China quickly, but just one final question on the Stimulu 124 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: front UH Stimulus front for Senator Marsha Blackburn. Chances of 125 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: this getting past if you had to put a percentage 126 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: on it in the Senate? Are you bullish that Republicans 127 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: can block this? I think there are a good many 128 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: things that we can block. The House, of course, has 129 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: just created this amazing wish list. You have to look 130 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: at Pelosi and say, is now really the time to 131 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: put three hundred and thirty five million dollars into arts, 132 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: museums and libraries that are closed? Is really the time 133 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: to put fifty million dollars into climate justice. We are 134 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: talking to communities that are struggling, We're talking to individuals 135 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: that are struggling, and relief is supposed to be targeted. 136 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be timely, it's supposed to be temporary. 137 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: But to come up with a wishless like this is 138 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: so disrespectful of people who are hurting, and it is 139 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: also disrespectful of the hard working tax payer. Senator Marsha 140 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: Blackburn is with us. She is one of the influential 141 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: senators on the US and China relations front. For those 142 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: who have listened to this program for quite some time, 143 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: frequently when I interview her, it is about her legislation 144 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: that would make the US less reliant apply upon China 145 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: supply chains and the pharmaceutical sector. Her state, Tennessee h 146 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: really in the mix for for that. You were at 147 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: the White House earlier this week meeting with President and Biden, 148 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: one of the few Republicans who was invited by this 149 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: administration to talk about his executive orders, in which he 150 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: has called for a one hundred day review period. UH 151 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: and and meanwhile also instructed Congress to really uh look 152 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: at pieces of legislation like yours, to see what non 153 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: partisan pieces of legislation could come from, uh, diversifying some 154 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: of the US supply chains. I know, Senator that you 155 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: can't tell us what specifically went on between you and 156 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: the President, but what can you tell us about, uh, 157 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: this decoupling that we're seeing between the U S and China. Yes, 158 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: and this unraveling of the relationship is going to be 159 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: very important. And we had four Democrats, four Republican senators 160 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: who were there and meeting with the President and the 161 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Vice President. We were very pleased with a conversation because 162 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: our critical supply chains, whether it's my crew processors or 163 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: semiconductor chips or batteries, or pharmaceuticals and active pharmaceutical ingredients, 164 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: this manufacturing needs to come back to the US. We 165 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: are running up against a wall, if you will, when 166 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: it comes to the microprocessors. These are needed in our 167 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: automobiles and our appliances and UH different entertainment components. UM 168 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: we are running up against UH the ability to import these. 169 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: So it is imperative that we began to rebuild these 170 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: supply chains. It's not going to happen overnight. It's going 171 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: to take a little while. We're going to have to 172 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: depend on allies who can manufacture these for us a 173 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: little bit longer. But we need to get to a 174 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: friendlier working framework for these critical supply lines. Senator Blackburn, 175 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: it's Genie's Anna in New York. It's such a pleasure 176 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: to talk to you and on this question of China 177 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: and the US relations. And one of the things that 178 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: I've struggled with is if in how the Biden administration's 179 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: approach to China will be different from the previous administrations. 180 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: What's your view on how it will be different, if 181 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: at all, and what would you like them to do. 182 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that has concerned me is some 183 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: of their early actions through the executive orders, and pardon me, Jennie, 184 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: when you look at the Keystone pipeline and you look 185 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: at the impact that had not only on workers, but 186 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: think of it in terms of a generation of crude 187 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: that is going to not becoming south and ending up 188 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: in Texas or Louisiana, but is going to be heading 189 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: to the West and then tankered into China for refining. 190 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: That should cause everyone to stop and think, how does 191 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: that advantage China rather than advantaging the USA? And we 192 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: have to be thoughtful and think long term in this. 193 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: It's the same thing with our supply lines as I 194 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: was saying, whether it's batteries or are the microprocessors or 195 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: are pharmaceuticals? Uh, think back through and I know you 196 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: remember when we had the antibiotic shortage, and it was 197 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: because all the antibiotics were made and where China and 198 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: a factory had blown up. When you look at some 199 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: of the active pharmaceutical ingredients that were needed for the 200 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: vaccine research and China. I said, well, we're not sure. 201 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: We're going to let you have these think about what 202 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: would have happened if Operation Warp Speed had not been 203 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: so successful. Senator this Rick Davis, if I could follow 204 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: up on the question that Genie asked, because I think 205 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: it's really uh important for our listeners to have a 206 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: sense of, you know, this transition from President Trump's very 207 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: aggressive policy towards China and sort of the big question 208 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: mark is whereas the Biden administration to come in. Did 209 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: you get any assurances when you were at the White 210 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: House that uh President Biden would continue to block Huawei 211 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: and keep them on the entities list or or as 212 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: you've pointed out before, the support for the Clean Network 213 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: Plan that UH Secretary of Pompeo had, is he going 214 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: to continue that. We are hopeful he is going to 215 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: uh continue that. We talked some yesterday about our telecommunications 216 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: supply lines. It is important to keep Wahwei out of 217 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: those because Whahwei, as we all know, in beds, that 218 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: spyware and you do not detect it until it trips. 219 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: So keeping that clean Network plan in place and Japan 220 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: really has been an allied to us on this and 221 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: holding China to account. These are things that as you 222 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: look at these supply lines, as you look at critical infrastructure, 223 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: you have to put all of that into kind of 224 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: the same basket and say these are imperatives. China is 225 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: an adversary, they are not an ally. Uh. They are 226 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: seeking global domination. When you look at five G, which 227 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: again gets into your critical supply lines, then you have 228 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: to realize what China would like to do is be 229 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: setting the standards on this and take that um dominant 230 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: position away from US and use it for themselves. Senator 231 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: Marsha Blackburner Republican and Tennessee, make sure you come back 232 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: on and talk to us, especially about those US and 233 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: China supply lines and and really, folks, she's been at 234 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: the forefront of this in the in the Senate for 235 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. Uh. And she also she always gives 236 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: me the gossip on Nashville, Senator Blackburn with Keith and Nicole, 237 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm always asking her what's going on down there in Nashville. 238 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: Who's your favorite country music artist? Oh, my goodness, I 239 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: don't know. I really like Big and Rich, all right, 240 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: we'll leave it there. Senator Marsha Blackburn, thanks so much, 241 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Senator for coming on. I appreciate it. I mean, Rick 242 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: and Genie, I think that's fascinating just to to glean 243 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: from someone as conservative as as Senator Marsha Blackburn is 244 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: to get a really a front row seat to her 245 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: meeting with President Biden Rick Davis Uh in the Oval Office, 246 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: just to hear it just about where the United States 247 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: foreign policy is in the in the short term and 248 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: where there's actually agreement even though they're on polar opposite 249 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: ends of the political spectrum. Yeah, you can't get further 250 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: apart than Marcia Blackburn and President Biden. But you make 251 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: a great point, Kevin. I mean, like here they almost 252 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: sound like they come from the same place in in 253 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: foreign policy, national security affairs. I mean, they are working 254 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: together to ensure that American competitives, especially against China, is reserved. 255 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: And I think as much as we talk about the 256 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: divisions of politics related to things like this covid UH 257 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: stimulus plan, it is equally striking the people like Marshall 258 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: Blackburn and Joe Biden working together to ensure our country security. 259 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: And you guys are so good about this because I'm 260 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: still stuck on a who's her favorite country artist? So 261 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift? And uh yeah, we still think a Taylor 262 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: Swift is country. Really, she just taught the country charts 263 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: for the second. Wait the second. Now we're in competition 264 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: with Bruce and Obama. They've got their own podcast. I said, 265 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, go ahead, and I'm sorry, no, I got 266 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: you off topic, but no, I wanted to say that. 267 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: I was just reading a piece by Conda Lisa Rice 268 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: and she makes a point that just follows up with 269 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: what Rick was talking about, which is that, you know, 270 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: there has been this trend where we are seeing this 271 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: sort of morphing of what used to be sort of 272 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: distinct approaches to AID and China in the US from 273 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: the two parties, they have now come together in a 274 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: really interesting way. And I think we see that with 275 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: the Marcia Blackburne and Joe Biden sort of meeting that 276 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: that happened the other day, you know. And and coming up, 277 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna stick with this thread on US and China, 278 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: Jeremy bash is going to join us. He's the former 279 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: chief of staff to the CIA during the Obama administration, 280 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: and and they actually have a new report out um uh, 281 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: Jeremy Bash's group does in which they talk about the 282 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: need for there to be a clean five gene network. 283 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: And this is something again that the previous administration, the 284 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: current administration, uh and even I guess you could go 285 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: back to Obama administration have been have been really planning for. 286 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: But the other takeaway that I got from that interview, 287 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: Genie was she's kind of bullish that Republicans could be 288 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: able to put up a fight on the stimulus in 289 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: the Senate next week. She I was surprised by that. 290 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: I did not expect her to say that, And I 291 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: think that we are hearing some of that. You know, 292 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: the polls suggest that there's an awful lot of support 293 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: back there for across the board for this bill. But 294 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: she seems to be suggesting that they may have more 295 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: fight in them. And of course, you know, I keep 296 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: saying all day, this is truly the rise of the 297 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: moderates here. It's all about the moderates. They pull one 298 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: one over and they've got themselves a fight. And I'm 299 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna I'm curious to see if something like that happens. Yeah, 300 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: I think you're right, Genie, that you wonder who's in 301 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: charge of the United States Senate anymore. Right, it's not McConnell, 302 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: it's not Chuck Schumer, it's Joe Manchin and uh, you know, 303 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: Susan Collins just blew our chances of getting a McConnell 304 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: or a Schumer view. Go ahead, Rick Well, I I 305 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: think it's just practically speaking, of course, their leadership is 306 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: without conty. Good job. Yeah, we've got sound on this 307 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: actually from President Biden earlier today because the Biden administration 308 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: was in a celebratory mood where they were uh celebrating 309 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: fifty million COVID nineteen vaccine shots administered in the United 310 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: States at an event near the White House earlier today. Uh. 311 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: Biden watched the several people got their shots, and afterwards 312 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: he said that the US is now leading the world 313 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: and vaccinations. Here's the sound on that. At first, critics 314 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: said the goal was too ambitious, no one could do that. 315 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: Then they said it was too small. At the bottom line, though, 316 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: is in America. It will be the first country, perhaps 317 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: the only one, to get that done. I mean, right there, Jeanie, 318 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: it's it's really, I guess, an opportunity for the for 319 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: the Biden administration to tout success, but the rollout as 320 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: a whole, whether it's the administration's fault, the state's fault, 321 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: or whoever folks are blaming, has been rocky, to say 322 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 1: the least. I think that's a pretty fair assessment. I 323 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: think I agree it has been uneven at best. And 324 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: to your point, the administration would say, as they have 325 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: said in another context about the slowness of their cabinet 326 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: coming together, that it was because they had this, you know, 327 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: not traditional transition or untraditional transition into office. And of 328 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: course during that time they uncovered that the vaccination plan 329 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: that we thought was in place u we're led to 330 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: leave was in place, was not quite up to par 331 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: or where we were told it might be. So they 332 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: certainly replaced the blame. But now we do see them, 333 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: I think, to a certain extent, taking a little bit 334 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: of a victory lap. I suspect we will see more 335 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: of that going forward, if indeed these numbers continue to 336 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: go down and more and more people are able to 337 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: get vaccinated. I do want to touch on another developing 338 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: story that has been bubbling over the past couple of 339 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: past couple of days, and that's on the nomination of 340 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: near a Tandon UH to head the Office of Management 341 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: and Budget. Lawmakers on both sides of the Aisle. I 342 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have been following this, but 343 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: lawmakers on both sides of the Aisle have objected to 344 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: Tandon's past social media post where she's made comments against 345 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: lawmakers with opposing views. That's putting it very nicely. And 346 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: her confirmation vote has been delayed by the Congressional committee 347 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: who was hearing her test testimony. But but Jen Psaki 348 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: over at the White House today says that she apologized 349 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: and that Biden is still standing by her. Here's the 350 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: sound on that she would be joining an administration, Whereas 351 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: we've noted in here, there's an expectation of a high 352 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: bar of civility UH and engagement, whether that's on social 353 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: media or in person, and we certainly expect she would 354 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: meet that bar. And meanwhile, Chuck Grassley, the Republican Senator, 355 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: Chuck Grassley, who's on this committee, he's saying that he 356 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: is going to oppose oppose the nomination. She would need 357 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: support from at least one Republican senator to win confirmation. 358 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: This is after mansion. Again, we've just talked about a 359 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: Mansion has said last week that he would oppose her, 360 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: so near a. Tandon's nomination is in trouble. We mentioned 361 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: this because the Biden administration, compared to other administrations, has 362 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: been very slow in order to get uh by comparatively 363 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: speaking to other administrations to get their cabinet appointees through. 364 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if it's the weather in 365 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: d C. It's been so good lately, but I've just 366 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: been in a good mood. And here's some optimism. I 367 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: love this headline on the Bloomberg Terminal. It's really optimistic. 368 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's spring is coming. We're almost out of 369 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: the winter. Get this headline by Jonathan Levin on the 370 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Terminal. COVID hospital admissions drop seventy two percent, led 371 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: by oldest US patients. COVID nineteen hospital admissions plummeted. I love. 372 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: I just could read this all day. COVID nineteen hospital 373 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: admissions plummeted seventy two percent in a month in the 374 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: United States as the virus ebbed and the vaccination push accelerated. 375 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: Americans eighty five years and older, old and over saw 376 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: the most pronounced drop down from January to February. According 377 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which 378 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: monitors the d through its COVID nineteen Associated Hospital Hospitalization 379 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: Surveillance Network, the rate was twenty three point four hospitalizations 380 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: for one hundred thousand residents eighty five and over for 381 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: the week of February seven to And I'm in the terminal. 382 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: I've got the hospital admissions of GRAPH in front of me, 383 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: and it's it's a beautiful thing to see, plummeting, dropping, 384 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: going down. Jennie. If that doesn't put you in a 385 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: good mood, I don't know what will. It absolutely does, 386 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: and it it really starts to feel just listening to 387 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: you with all your excitement, but of course we all 388 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: feel no. I love it. Please keep it up. It 389 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: it gives me hope. It really does begin to feel 390 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: like we can see the light at the end of 391 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: the tunnel potentially. I mean, given half a million people 392 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: in this country passed away, you know, died of this 393 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: horrific disease, it's um you know, so stunning that we've 394 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: been at this for a year or more now. But 395 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: to hear that is really really good news. It is 396 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: good news, right Rick Davis, Yeah, I'm with you, brother. 397 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: We we we want to see this thing extinguished, and 398 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: we gotta do whatever it takes to get there, you know. 399 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: And I hear our executive producers even gonna make an 400 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: appearance in the office tomorrow. I haven't seen her. Forget 401 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: what Christine Baratta looks like. I'm used to seeing her 402 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: through the zooms. In the next season, you don't have 403 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: to take a picture of the two of you socially 404 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: distance and we'll be touching my you'll have my mask. Yeah, 405 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: I know, I know. I don't get in trouble. Okay, 406 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: let's talk politics for a second, because coming up we're 407 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: gonna go back to geopolitics with Jeremy Bash. But this 408 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: this weekend is Sea Pack, and Rick Davis knows the 409 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: thing or two about Sea Pack, given his previous experience 410 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: as the campaign manager to the late great Senator John 411 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: McCain's presidential campaign. Sea Pack, for those who don't know, 412 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: is the Conservative Political Action Committee's annual conference. Truly one 413 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: of my most favorite events to cover because you just 414 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: never know. I always say when I leave Sea Pack, 415 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: I wish the left did something to to to do 416 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: to counter it, because it's just so exciting, and you 417 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: really never know what's gonna happen. Rick Davis as a 418 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: as an astute political strategist as you are Donald Trump 419 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: speaking in Florida at Sea Pack, it's not virtual. It's 420 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: going to be driving the conversation for the next twenty 421 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: four hours after he speaks. Yeah, just as you were 422 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: bringing up Sepack, I started having you know, the cold sweats, 423 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: and because nobody, nobody's ever lived unless they've been to 424 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: Sea Pack and gotten booed by the entire crowd. So 425 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: I can honestly say it's been a long time, guys, 426 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: but it's nice that I'm not gonna be there this year. 427 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: What are you gonna be watching for? You know? Look, 428 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: I mean obviously Donald Trump is going to exert his 429 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: uh I think self interest on Sea Pack. He's going 430 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 1: to tell all of them that he's not going anywhere. 431 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: It's the stuff we've heard before. I think the back 432 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: story on Sea Pack is is not who's gonna be 433 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: there to rally around the Donald Trump message, because they will, uh. 434 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: I think it's the people who aren't going to see 435 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: Pack anymore, right, I mean, ce Pack was a very 436 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: hot ticket in town for a long time. It was 437 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: a way to communicate with sort of the base of 438 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: the party. And there are a lot of senior Republicans who, 439 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: either because of COVID or because of Donald Trump, aren't 440 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: making the trip to Florida or being on the zoom. 441 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: But the fact that it's in Florida, to me is 442 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: striking Genie, because obviously that was once Uh. It is 443 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: a swing state. And and clearly the Trump political orbit 444 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: and the sources that I talked to who still speak 445 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: to him, and and if folks are listening saying why 446 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: are you still talking about Trump? Well, because he is 447 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: a major, major force in the GOP, whether you like 448 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: it or not. And so for him to be speaking 449 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: in Florida, in a battleground state, uh, his first major 450 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: address in a speech format since the second impeachment. You know, Genie, 451 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: it to me, it's sending a message to McConnell, UH, 452 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: to Liz Cheney, UH, to Governor Newsom in California. Even 453 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: that this that he is going to continue to operate 454 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: amongst his political coalition, and the data supports that. You 455 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: look at these polls that have been coming out, you know, 456 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: fifty four percent Republicans, um Morning Consul political said they 457 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: would back Trump in a Republican primary if he was 458 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: to run, not just that, not one of his you know, 459 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: big supporters. Mitt Romney says just the other day that 460 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: he's pretty sure that Trump would win a primary at 461 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: this point or nomination rather at this point by a landslide. 462 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: So that sort of gives an indication. Um to Rick's point, 463 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: we have seen the people leaving the party, but those 464 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: that remain, there is a good percentage that are solidly Trump. 465 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: And I know you both watched the fascinating video of 466 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: of of Kevin McCarthy and Liz Cheney, you know, figuratively 467 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: and literally walking to other directions on this question of 468 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: should he be speaking at seapack? And I think that 469 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: tells you everything you need to know about the state 470 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party today. You know, I always say this, 471 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: I always say this, uh, whenever I'm talking about politics 472 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: with with sources, and I say it to the left, 473 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: I say, but the difference between Republicans and Democrats is 474 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: that Republicans know how to fight each other politically, they 475 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: know how to have an open disagreement. They're not afraid 476 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: of doing it. And I think ever since the arrival 477 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: of aoc to be candid. Uh, Democrats have have sort 478 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: of started to to to illustrate that they're willing to 479 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: have inter party public squabbles as well. This is Bloomberg 480 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: Sound on Bloomberg Radio. My name is Kevin Surley. I'm 481 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. 482 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: Accompanied by our Bloomberg Policy All Star panel contributors Rick 483 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: Davis as well as Genie Shawn's. They know, you know, 484 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: we've been talking about geopolitics at the start of the show, 485 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: and I want to continue this conversation with our next guest, 486 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: Jeremy Bash, because he's got a new report at a 487 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: nonpartisan report from folks in the intel world we have 488 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: served in Republican and democratic administrations. It's a new strategic 489 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: national security policy from the American Edge Project, and it 490 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: details and and really plain terms about the type of 491 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: policy framework that the United States ought to have in 492 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: order to to keep itself safe in the digital infrastructure 493 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: um against China. Now, Jeremy Bash is of course the 494 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: former CIA and Pentagon Chief of Staff UH during the 495 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: Obama years, and Jeremy, first of all, thanks so much 496 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: for the time and I think back to when I 497 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: spoke during the campaign with now Secretary of State Tony Blincoln, 498 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: and he really laid it out for us that the 499 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: world is going to have to be uh organized, so 500 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: to speak, digitally, between the techno democracies and the techno 501 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: autocracies China. So you your report outlines some frameworks, what 502 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: are what are some of your key takeaways? Well, that's 503 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: exactly right, Kevin. First, that's great to be with you. 504 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: What we're calling for in this report is what we 505 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: call digital power. A lot of people have heard the term. 506 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: The United States uses it's hard power, like it's military power. 507 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes we use our soft power, our influence, our values, 508 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: our diplomacy, and sometimes we use smart power. And now 509 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: we're calling for digital power, which is basically, Kevin, that 510 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: we want the United States to play a huge global 511 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: leadership role in investing in and protecting US tech. It's 512 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: a big strategic advantage for the United States. China, as 513 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: you said, is on the move. We are in a 514 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: huge competition with them. It's an adversarial competition. They're trying 515 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: to dominate the Internet. They want to dominate the digital infrastructure, 516 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: and they ultimately want to dominate content. And so what 517 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: we're calling for is a policy plan we're coming out 518 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: of Washington that would you know, advance an open internet 519 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: that would defend our cybersecurity and protect innovation. And that's 520 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: really critical, we think for national security. You know, I 521 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: was really struck by by this one particular point. We've 522 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: been talking a lot this week, Jeremy, about semiconductors and 523 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: shortages and whatnot. And in the report, it says while 524 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: the US maintains an advantage and emerging technologies such as 525 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence and semiconductors, it has lost what was once 526 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: a comfortable lead to China, with many experts thinking China 527 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: is only a few years behind in these technologies. You 528 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: go on to cite some concerns about five G deployment 529 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: and even the future beyond five G. So what can 530 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: the United States? What should the United States be doing 531 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: to plan for the future to keep that American edge. Well, 532 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: one of the key things that we gotta do is globally, 533 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: we've got to convince countries in Europe, but even across 534 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: the developing world as well to go with the U 535 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: S tech and and and not to succumb to kind 536 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: of the quick better seemingly better deal that China's offering 537 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: is not a better deal. It's actually a less secure deal. 538 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: And that pertains to five G, but it also pertains 539 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: to the the US playing global leadership role in some setting 540 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: some of the standards in these international standard setting bodies. 541 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: I think second, we've got to do a lot better 542 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: job at investing in data security and cybersecurity and solar 543 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: wind tax obviously pointed up to vulnerabilities in our software 544 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: supply chain. And we've got to keep our our techno democracies, 545 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: as you referenced earlier, together, and we've got to have 546 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: a unified block to pursue these policies fees of each 547 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: China because they're trying to China's trying to recruit other 548 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: countries to their camp as well. Jeremy this Rick Davis, 549 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: thanks for being on with us today. Uh and uh, 550 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: I really love the report that you you authored with 551 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: one of my favorite people, friend Towns, and so shout 552 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: out to her. She's she's a great partner and a 553 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: board member for McCann Institute. Um. You know, one of 554 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: the things you point out in this report is how 555 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: important it is to advance democracy through an open internet, 556 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: right I mean everybody in the United States, I would say, 557 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: almost to an individual would think, of course, the Internet's open, 558 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: is what we have every day. But but but maybe 559 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 1: you could elaborate a little bit, because I don't think 560 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: people really understand that countries like Indian there's are closing 561 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: down there and the government is now controlling that Internet, 562 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: that decides what goes on it and who gets access 563 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: to it. That's right, Rick, and it's a great point. 564 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: And you're right, Frank Townsend and and her one of 565 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: her co authors, Admiral Jim Staveritas, who was the Supreme 566 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: Allied Commander of Europe our NATO commander, four star Navy Admiral. 567 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: They on a bipartistan basis, co author this report in 568 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: part because I think they're worried about American values being 569 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: I think overtaken or undermined. I should say by China, 570 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: UM and other countries. You know, we enjoy the benefit 571 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: of an open Internet. We can put any idea out there. China, 572 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: of course, as what's called the Great Firewall, they don't 573 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: let people post views or ideas on the Internet from 574 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: their country, and as they dominate other countries, not just 575 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: in the age of Pacific region, but frankly around the world, 576 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna limit the ability for free speech, for value, 577 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: for for just talking about issues. And that's a big 578 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: strength of the Internet. And and there there's another regime 579 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: it's called the Splinternet. And when you start getting these 580 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: requirements by Indian and others to localize all of their data, 581 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, in India or other places, it can really 582 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: fracture the Internet. And I think that can undermine the 583 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: values that we're trying to promote. Jeremy, it's Genie's you know. 584 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: And I just want to echo what Kevin and Rick said. 585 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: I think this is such an important project that you 586 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: put forward this report and on the issue of tech 587 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: supremacy and China, is it game over if China reaches 588 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: quantum supremacy, which they seem to have um at least, 589 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: that's what we're hearing. And one of the things you 590 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: hear attached to that is everything else pales by comparison. 591 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: What's what's your view of that. Quantum is is a 592 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: supercomputing technology that would potentially allow them to break down 593 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: our defenses um, and I think the reality is that 594 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: we have to invest a lot more in our own 595 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: quantum capabilities. And I've actually been talking to some folks 596 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: in the commercial sector recently who are investing in quantum 597 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: proof cybersecurity, and of course that would that would be critical, 598 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: not just because we all rely on our iPhones and 599 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: our Android devices and our our our our computers every day, 600 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: but because as all of our cars and and frankly 601 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: everything becomes part of the Internet of Things, we're gonna 602 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: need to make sure all those devices are secure. And 603 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: if the United States is going to have a global 604 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: technological leadership, it's going to have to be able to 605 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: compete on the quantum playing field and stay one step ahead, 606 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: No Doubt's a great point, Gen Jeremy. It was literally 607 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: right about a year ago. I took a break from 608 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: covering the campaign trail and I went on an inmbed 609 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: trip with um UH now former Secretary of State Mike Pompeio. 610 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: We went to to different countries to make a Columbia 611 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: UH one of them. And when I was on the 612 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: ground there, I went to the local shopping mall to 613 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: get a bite to eat, you know, get some straight food. 614 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm always hungry, and I saw Huawei signs. I saw 615 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: Huawei signs Huawei source folks like you would see if 616 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: you go to see an Apple store. And I had 617 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: never seen that before in my life, and I thought, 618 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this, this isn't this is in an Asia, 619 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: this is right here. I mean, how do we what 620 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: can you just stress to our audience just the importance 621 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: of China's digital silk road. It is very close to 622 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: the United States, It's on our doorstep. They are they're 623 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: trying to undersell us everywhere in the world, and of 624 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: course they do so at a huge cost, because, of course, 625 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: if countries go all in on the China model, number 626 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: one is they're compromising security, and number two is they're 627 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: compromising values. And so the United States is going to 628 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: have to get I think, a lot more aggressive, frankly, 629 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: at promoting our own technology. Globally. It's, as you mentioned, 630 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: right here in our own hemisphere. It's in Latin America, 631 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: it's across Africa. It's actually also in Europe. I mean, 632 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: the European Commission, the European Union has been wanting to 633 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: try to do deals with China, and I think that's 634 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: a huge issue, and I think it's a big problem. 635 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: I think we just strengthened our alliances and really get 636 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: more aggressive promoting US tech. Glowboy very quickly. Final question, 637 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: are you confident that Europe is going to start getting 638 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: back to the American playbook in terms of dealing with 639 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: with China on tech? Look, I think they have a 640 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: in the Biden administration, a very willing partner to strengthen 641 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: US European trans atlantic ties. But honestly, there's a big, 642 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: big tech lash going on in Europe, and I think 643 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: if the United States doesn't speak up against it's could 644 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: it could cause Europe to fall into the hands of 645 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: China in this techno race. And we gotta we gotta 646 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: be vigilant about this. Kevin, I'm pretty I'm pretty concerned 647 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: about all right. I asked Senator Marshall Blackburn the same question. 648 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: Because she's from Tennessee, Nashville country music. I do know 649 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: that you are an acoustic guitar fan. Who's your favorite 650 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: country music artist? Oh god, oh god, I'm not a 651 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: huge country music fan, but I you know, I love 652 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: all kinds of things that I'm I've been playing for 653 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: my uh my kids this year as we've been home 654 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: for COVID and and we do all kinds of music 655 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: all you know, every everything under the sun. I love 656 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: it all right, Thank you very much to Jeremy bash Here, 657 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: of course, is the former chief of staff for the 658 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 1: CIA as well as the Pentagon. February is Black History Month, 659 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: and Bloomberg is honoring significant contributions in the Black history community. 660 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: Here with today's installment is Nina Young on this day 661 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: in Black History. In eighteen seventy, Hiram Rhodes Revels is 662 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: sworn in as the first African American U S. Senator. 663 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: He represented Mississippi. His path to the U. S. Senate 664 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: was not without controversy and contradictions. Conservative Southern Democrats challenged 665 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: his credentials, citing the dread Scott decision. They claimed Revels 666 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: was not a U. S citizen for the required period 667 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: of time nine years, and therefore ineligible to hold office. Now. 668 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: Although the Fourteenth Amendment granted citizenship to all African Americans, 669 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: it was only adopted two years prior. Revels came from 670 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: a mixed race heritage, and his supporters successfully argued that 671 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: he had been a citizen his entire life since he 672 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: was not of pure African ancestry, so the dreads Got 673 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: decision did not apply to him. After serving in the Senate, 674 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: Revels became the first president of what's now Alcorn State University. 675 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: That's today in black history. I'm renit a young Bloomberg 676 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: Radio and signing offer Rick Davis and Jeannie Shawn Zano. 677 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Surley and this is lundered