1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome 2 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: back to work in progress. 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: Friends. 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: I am so excited today to sit down with a 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: couple that I frankly adore. I have such a good 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: time watching them live out their extraordinary dreams, and my goodness, 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: they have been doing that for quite a time. Today 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: we're sitting down with Sean Johnson and Andrew East. You 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: know Sean from winning Olympic gold and Andrew from competing 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: at the very highest level of professional football in the NFL. 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: But what inspires me about the two of them is 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: that their defining moments weren't just back on the balance 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: beam or out on the football field. They took place 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: in their quiet daily routines. They've taken place in the 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: life they've found beyond sport, in the marriage they've built 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: between themselves, in the family that they have with their 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: three children, and they really have come to share with 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: the world what they know and what we can all 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: do on ordinary days that can be just as meaningful 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: as once in a lifetime milestones. The way they've built 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: their life beyond sport, growing a digital platform, navigating a 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: long distance relationship, and career pivots and all the rest 23 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: of it in real time is something that I love 24 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: to observe. 25 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: And I know I'm not. 26 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Alone because everyone always asks them what their secret is 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: to their joyful partnership and the way that they live 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: their life. What I appreciate about Sean and Andrew is 29 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: that they're the first to admit that it takes a 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: lot of work to make it look as effortless as 31 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: it seems. And now they are putting all of that 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: work down on the page in their new book, Courage 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: to Commit, which is out now. Let's talk all about it. 34 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: Was Sean Johnson and Andrew East Sean Andrew, I'm so 35 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: happy to have you on the podcast today. 36 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 2: How are you both great? 37 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having us to be here. 38 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm so happy you're here. And congrats on 39 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: all the exciting updates and big news in the family. 40 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you. 41 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: Also, I don't mind my husband, who's dripping sweat like 42 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 4: you're pooring. He just biked our kids to school and 43 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 4: then like belined it here in Nashville, so still sweating. 44 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, how do you bike them all? Are 45 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: they big enough to ride bikes? Or is this like 46 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: a toe situation. 47 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 5: Okay, so my dad wrote us to school. When we 48 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 5: were young, we had a tandem bike and we would 49 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 5: do like time trials with me and my other brothers. 50 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 5: You can ride the fastest. But now we have the setup. 51 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 5: It's a radio flyer bike. So they have like a 52 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 5: little bench seat on the back and it's electric they 53 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 5: that they sit in. 54 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 6: Yeah. 55 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's pretty fun with him and they're like 56 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 4: blasting music and that. 57 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: Is so cute. 58 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I want to hear more about both of 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: your childhoods. Sean, I know you grew up in Iowa. Andrew, 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: I know you grew up in Indiana. What were you 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: guys up to when you were little kids when you 62 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: were eight or nine? 63 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: Uh, honestly, I had a very normal childhood. 64 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 4: It sounds crazy to say because I was so young 65 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: when I competed, but around like eight and nine, I 66 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 4: went to public school. I did after school play dates 67 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 4: with all of my friends. I lived on a cul 68 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: de sac and it was kind of just an Iowa 69 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: Midwest thing. But everybody in the neighborhood would always have 70 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 4: their garage doors open, and their garage doors were like 71 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: an extension of their house. Living situation. So every garage 72 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 4: had like a TV and a couch. Sounds very strange, 73 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 4: but all the parents would always like sit in their 74 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 4: garages and all the kids would just run wild through 75 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 4: the neighborhood. So I spent all my time just like 76 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: playing in our cul de sac and truly just being 77 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 4: a kid. Outside of I did probably three or four 78 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 4: days a week of gymnastics training, but that was just 79 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 4: like my after school activity that I did. Like you know, 80 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: people would run track or do something else, and yeah, gymnastics. 81 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but how old were you when you started? 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: I started when I was three. 83 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 4: You were just like any other little kid would though, 84 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 4: like I didn't me in me classes like recreational classes. 85 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: It was never anything serious. 86 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: Until I made I made the USA national team about twelve. Yeah, 87 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 4: so that feels a little abnormal, Yeah, but it felt 88 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 4: very normal to me. My parents worked really hard to 89 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: have a very balanced upbringing that I was very grateful for. 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and did you start playing sports really young too? 91 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 5: So yeah, while Sean was an only child, that was 92 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 5: the middle of five kids, and all of us did 93 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 5: all the sports. My parents had us in, basketball, baseball, football, swimming, 94 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 5: all this stuff, and we would do it together. 95 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 6: Which was really fun. 96 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 5: We did boy Scouts growing up, and we'd take camping 97 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 5: trips and go climb mountains. But we just did a 98 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 5: bunch of group activities and a bunch of family activities 99 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 5: and it was so fun. I feel like, you know, 100 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 5: still to this day, my brothers and I have like 101 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 5: this healthy sense of competition. We like to do everything together. 102 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 5: We like to see what the other's up to learn 103 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 5: from each other. And uh, yeah it was. It was 104 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 5: a rowdy household. 105 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 6: But it's fun still is. 106 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like one of five, feels like it does 107 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: something that never quite goes away. 108 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: Right, never does. 109 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: We have eleven eleven or twelve now eleven eleven grandchildren, 110 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 4: not us, but like our children's generation. Yeah, there's eleven 111 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 4: of them under the age of eight. And if it's 112 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 4: not chaos with you and your siblings, it's now chaos 113 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: with all of like the cousins. 114 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: It's so much fun. 115 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: One that is so cool. I'm curious. 116 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear you say, Sean that the switch 117 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: really came, you know, going into being around twelve. Like, 118 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: I know nothing about this, to be clear, you guys, 119 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: like I grew up playing sports, but also very clearly, 120 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not tall enough to play any of 121 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: the sports I really liked. I'm not petite enough to 122 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: have ever been a gymnast. I have terrible asthma. Like 123 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: it just was like not in the cards for me. 124 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: But it's crazy, you know, to love someone who's done 125 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: some of what you've done. Like, it's hard for me 126 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: to wrap my head around what it really means to 127 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: go to the Olympics. And then you went, like literally 128 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: in the most impressive way in the world. But when 129 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: you get recruited so young, you know, like my partner 130 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: was playing up on the U fifteen team by the 131 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: time she was twelve, and it's. 132 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: Like, there's so much. 133 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: I think that is incredible about that, incredible about discipline 134 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: and the ways that you learn these unbelievable skills, And 135 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: it's sort of insane to think about the level you 136 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: were competing at, the number of people you were competing 137 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: in front of, the pressure. Did it dawn on you 138 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: then or did it just still feel fun at twelve? 139 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: It honestly still felt fun. 140 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: I was very, very blessed to have a coach who 141 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: he put an emphasis on the fun the whole time. 142 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 4: I feel like The only time it wasn't fun was 143 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 4: when I was with the national team and it became 144 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 4: very serious. But he really tried to like balance those 145 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: scales my whole career, which I was very grateful for. 146 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 4: But for me, kind of like anybody would do a 147 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 4: hobby or a sport as a child, whether you're singing 148 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: or you know, playing violin or whatever it was, I 149 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 4: just kind of went through the natural progression. I wasn't 150 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 4: skipping levels. I wasn't like exponentially better. I was just 151 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: kind of going through the system at a pretty steady pace. 152 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 4: And by the time I kind of came up for 153 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 4: air and looked around, I was like, oh, I happened 154 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 4: to be in the highest level. You know. It didn't 155 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 4: ever feel like pressure or like a job until I 156 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 4: was in the national team setting, where they weren't as 157 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 4: much about fun. They were more about your job. 158 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah I've heard that, so yeah, so I was. 159 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 4: Always like balancing that by the time I got to 160 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: the professional level. But I truly was surrounded by people 161 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 4: who wanted me to be a kid for the most part, 162 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: and I was just playing. 163 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,599 Speaker 3: I remember playing at the Olympics. 164 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: Wow, truly, Wow, that's such a trip. And what an 165 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: interesting thing too. 166 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: In this phase of you know, everybody having young kids, right, 167 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: you realize that the way you speak to them, the 168 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: container you create for them, is the one they will experience. 169 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: Like even at this upper echelon of sport, you felt 170 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: like you were playing, and it's because the adults in 171 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: the room made sure to protect that for you. 172 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: That's where the pressure sets in already as a parent, 173 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 4: because I'm like, that's now our job. We had the 174 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 4: pleasure of interviewing my parents not too long ago about 175 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 4: their strategy and how they went about it, and they 176 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: basically said that they said, our job was to protect 177 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: you the whole time and to make sure you were 178 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 4: a kid and it was appropriate and it was you know, 179 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 4: not too mature and not too much pressure. That got 180 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: harder as I got farther along. But it is hard 181 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 4: now as parents to say that is our job, and 182 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: it's hard to now witness it with our own children 183 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 4: when they start putting pressure on themselves for a little 184 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 4: things like how do I protect the innocence of your joy? 185 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 5: It's so interesting now our daughter does ice skating and 186 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 5: she loved it, and like just the amount of conversations 187 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 5: that start happening when there's like, oh, hey, we're going 188 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 5: to put you in the accelerated program and it's part 189 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 5: of that you're gonna have to do off ice training. 190 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 5: And the off ice training for you as a five 191 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 5: year old is going to be cone drills and push 192 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 5: ups and all this stuff. And then like you get 193 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 5: one step into this and you understand, oh my gosh, wait, 194 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 5: all she wants to do is ice skate, you know, 195 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 5: like that's all she wants to do. She didn't care 196 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 5: about the accelerated program. And so kudos to Sean's parents 197 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 5: honestly for like understanding that, despite conversations with agents or 198 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 5: sponsors or whatever, like they kind of just did insulate Sean. 199 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 5: It seemed really well from all of those kind of 200 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 5: extra curriculars or the the you know, the nonsense besides gymnastics. 201 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. 202 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy to think that five or six 203 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: year olds have somebody analyzing, you know, their squat thrust 204 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: so they can get a better vertical. You're like, they 205 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: are babies. Yeah, like they're good. 206 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 4: I don't know if you've experienced this, Yeah, but like 207 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 4: standing on the sidelines of like a three year old 208 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 4: soccer game. To hear some of the conversations, it makes 209 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 4: me want to run through a brick wall. 210 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: Then, like, you need to calm down. 211 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 4: This is your child's like hobby, it's not yours, and 212 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 4: it's just it's. 213 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: Wild to me. 214 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 5: Yeah. 215 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: I heard a friend of mine, my god son's already 216 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: in soccer and he is so sweet and like, oh 217 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: my goodness. 218 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: Every once in a while, you know, you have that 219 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 2: moment where you're like running all the other way that's. 220 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: The other team, and and he thinks it's like so cool. 221 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: That is that. You know, his godmothers galous. 222 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: He's always like Auntie Ash, Auntie Ash, give me tips, 223 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: and she's like, baby boy, I have to like be 224 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: in person with you to put you through some drills, 225 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: you know. And it's like I can't imagine being, you know, 226 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: watching my best friend as his mom or being a 227 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: family figure in his life, like not laughing at that, 228 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: taking that so seriously, and I don't know, you're right. 229 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: I sometimes I go to his practices and I hear 230 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: the way parents are talking and I have to bite 231 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: my tongue because, like, you know, again not the athlete. 232 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: I really went into the academics part of me wants 233 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: to be like, do you know the statistical probability of 234 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: your kid making it like to a D one college, 235 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: Let alone the pros it's essentially zero, leave them alone. 236 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: He's five. Well, but I don't I keep I keep 237 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: those thoughts on the now. 238 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: Please don't keep those thoughts. 239 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 4: Then you should share those scream those out, because that's 240 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: what we believe too. Yeah, it's literally lightning striking. And yeah, 241 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 4: I don't like to like minimize people's achievements or even 242 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 4: my own, but it truly is. 243 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: It's luck. 244 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 4: You cannot make it happen, and if you try to 245 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 4: make it happen, I think your probability is actually going 246 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: to go even farther down because kids are going to 247 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 4: like fall out of love with it and not like it, 248 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: and they're probably going to get injured, and they're probably 249 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 4: going to change hobbies. And it's just like the only 250 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 4: thing that you need to do is love them and celebrate. 251 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: Them, Yeah, and then. 252 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: Let the rest do it. 253 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, let them have fun, let them score a goal 254 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: for the other team. It's not that serious. It's you know. 255 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wondering. 256 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: Too, though, because you say, you know, the probability is 257 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: so low and then the giggle is you two both 258 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: reached these insane heights in your career. 259 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: I mean you went on the big gold Andrew you 260 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 2: were in the NFL. Like, what was it like for you? 261 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Because I know for girls who grow up in sport, 262 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: there is the incredible side of confidence, team building, leadership. 263 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean, eighty four percent of women who's sit in 264 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: c suites in the corporate world played high school or 265 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: collegiate sports. And then there's also, and I'm sure we'll 266 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: get to this, the really hard side of the body 267 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: consciousness and all of that. And then I feel like 268 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: on the flip side, for guys, it's very social, communal cool. 269 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: Like if you play football and we've all seen Friday 270 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: night Lights, you know, like it's this sort of rare 271 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: air space that seems really fun and really popular, but also, 272 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: I imagine. 273 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: Is really tough. 274 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: What was it like for you to kind of go 275 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,239 Speaker 1: from having a childhood hobby with your brothers to realizing 276 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: this was something else. 277 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 6: Wow, you just sparked a lot of thoughts in hyphrase that. 278 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 5: I mean, it kind of goes in phase this a 279 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 5: little bit, and depending on like, you know, how how 280 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 5: you're performing. Sometimes affects how you feel about the sport 281 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 5: depending on the team that you're on and the guys 282 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 5: in the locker room kind of. 283 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 6: Can can can you know? Change that? But I did. 284 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 6: I loved football and that's all I want to do. 285 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 5: My dad played college football or Purdue, and like I 286 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 5: just grew up wearing his old helmet, and I honestly 287 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 5: loved football all the way through college. And then I 288 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 5: started getting attention from NFL scouts and I was like, sweet, okay, 289 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 5: I get it. I could do this for the next 290 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 5: fifteen years of my life, and that would be a dream. 291 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 5: Like I was just happy to make it to college. 292 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 5: That's all I wanted to do as a little kid, 293 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 5: was play college football. But now we have this NFL opportunity. 294 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 5: And then very quickly in that situation, like I again 295 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 5: did all the activities growing up, so I never had 296 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 5: to focus just solely. 297 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 6: On football, you know. 298 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 5: And then in college, you're doing doing academics, you're doing sports, 299 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 5: you have the social life, you have all the clubs 300 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 5: and whatever, so it's not all football. But then in 301 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 5: the pros it was like this singular thing that consumes 302 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 5: your entire life. And I didn't know anybody else. I 303 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 5: started on the Kansas City Chiefs, and there I am 304 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 5: in Kansas City, didn't know a soul, and so like 305 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 5: I'd only spend time with the football teammates. I would 306 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 5: only go to the facility, wouldn't go anywhere else, and 307 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 5: you're just kind of like ruminating on this, and then 308 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 5: it was like it became almost like a really unhealthy 309 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 5: part obsession, part like torment of like man, I want 310 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 5: something else to like distract me. Almost, so it was complicated, 311 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 5: and I remember, like, you know, at points, I was 312 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 5: super confident I'd be dabbing everybody up in the facility. 313 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 5: But then with certain teams in the NFL, when you're 314 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 5: just trying to make it like, oh man, I don't 315 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 5: want to get cut. 316 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 6: I hope today's not my. 317 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 5: Day to get cut, Like you start having these thoughts 318 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 5: and so I couldn't even I went from you know, 319 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 5: being the guy who's joking around, so I couldn't even 320 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 5: make eye contact because I was so I don't know, 321 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 5: like nervous or anxious or uncertain. So it kind of 322 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 5: goes ebbs and flows, and then you kind of just 323 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 5: kind of find that pocket of like okay, you know 324 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 5: what I've done everything I can to put myself in 325 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 5: the best position. Am I gonna enjoy this or not? 326 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 5: Like I towards the end of my career, I started realizing, 327 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 5: this is like once in a lifetime, you know, like 328 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 5: I'm gonna only be in this locker room for so 329 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 5: many years, maybe only a few more days, who knows, 330 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 5: But I might as well just like have a good 331 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 5: time and like enjoy it. And that's that kind of 332 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 5: opens up the performance side of things too, kind of 333 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 5: like it pulls you out of that rumination. So complicated 334 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 5: to say the least, but I definitely learned a lot. 335 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a minute, but here's a 336 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors. It's so interesting the way you 337 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: put that, because I was just actually. 338 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: Writing about this. When I was in Cool. 339 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: And I started doing theater, which I thought I would hate. 340 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I play volleyball. I don't do that 341 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: like the theater girls. Yeah, my friend does that. We're 342 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: not the same, you know. She was like a show 343 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: tune singing like adorable human, who, by the way, still 344 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: is like you know, now, we've been friends for thirty years. 345 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: But I didn't know that it was something I would love, 346 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: and then that became my extracurricular you know, started in 347 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: middle school, went through high school. By my senior year, 348 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: I was so serious about it. And then I went 349 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: to college to get a BFA, a Bachelor of Fine 350 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: Arts in theater, and one of those things where you 351 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: know you have to audition. 352 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: It's like it's like. 353 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: A team tryout. It's so scary, and they, you know, 354 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: they admit fourteen people a year. And I got in 355 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I've made it. 356 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: You know, this is my next step. I'm moving through 357 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: the system. And I got into that program and I 358 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: had the experience for talking about Andrew. I feel like 359 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: it made me a basket case because it all I 360 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: did was eat, breathe, and sleep theater. All I did 361 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: was focus on scripts. All I did was get asked 362 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: every decision i'd make, like in a scene testing something out, Well, 363 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: why'd you make that choice? What was the motivation here? 364 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: And it's not even that the questions were bad, they 365 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: could have been opening a compliment, but what it did 366 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: was make me so self conscious and I was like, well, 367 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't know why I made I mean, it just felt, 368 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, and I was reacting to this person and 369 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: it sort of seemed like we could the scene's a fight, 370 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: but what if they started laughing in the middle, Like, 371 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: isn't that interesting? And no matter what felt natural to me, 372 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: I worried that I was. 373 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 2: Doing the wrong thing. 374 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: And what you illuminated for me was that once you've 375 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: made it on the college team or the pro team 376 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: or whatever, everyone thinks you've made it, nobody says, hey, 377 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: how are you doing? 378 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 6: Hey? 379 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: Do you need any support? And what I realized I 380 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: had to do my second year of college. I was like, 381 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: I can't handle this, and I transferred out of that major. 382 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: I was keeping a. 383 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: Theater minor, but I went into the journalism school and 384 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: that was the year I started booking auditions like crazy 385 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: because I'd taken the pressure off and then suddenly I 386 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: was just like, oh, this is fun, Like this is 387 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: my gymnastics, this is the thing I like to do 388 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: after school, and I'm actually kind of good at this okay, 389 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: And weirdly it it shifted something in me. It wasn't 390 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: something anyone else was doing. 391 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 2: But when it's. 392 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: Too pressurized, the thing you love can torment you. Yeah, 393 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: well said, it's so surreal. 394 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 4: I feel like you see that in everything that was Like, 395 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 4: if you take the joy away from it and you 396 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 4: lose the reason why you started in the first place, 397 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: and you're like forcing it for a different reason, whether 398 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 4: it's success or money or whatever, it lose everything. If 399 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: you can't just like have joy with it, then it's 400 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 4: a whole different ball game. 401 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel like you both chose to 402 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: prioritize that? Because I think about I don't know, rewind 403 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: to like twenty twelve before. Maybe the world is also 404 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: so insane and you're both navigating these crazy high pressure 405 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: careers and I know you know you've you've written about 406 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: how success alone wasn't going to provide lasting fulfillment, like 407 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: there had to be more. If you think about back then, 408 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: in the height of things, how did you start to 409 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: consider what your wider vision was for your futures? 410 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 5: These are great questions, Well things, Well, I'm curious what 411 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 5: your perspective on this is. I feel like the deeper 412 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 5: you get into anything, like the longer your career is. 413 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 5: And sports is kind of unique because it's so intense 414 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 5: and so consuming and so kind of idolized, as is 415 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 5: your industry. But it's like the transition out of that 416 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 5: is super hard, and I think John struggled with it, 417 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 5: you know, kind of by choice. She retired, and then 418 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 5: she struggled probably for like three or four years when 419 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 5: we were dating. And then I struggled with it by force, 420 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 5: you know. I was bouncing around from team to team, 421 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 5: and man if I would have had a long and 422 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 5: steady job, I probably would have kept it. But instead 423 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 5: it kind of like made me think about other things 424 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 5: while I was still getting opportunities in the NFL, and 425 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 5: so I was like, oh, I should probably start assembling 426 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 5: other parts of my life. But it's like it's a 427 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 5: really uncomfortable process because when you're in the moment, you 428 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 5: don't like, I did not feel like I had any 429 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 5: other translating skills from football that would apply anywhere else. 430 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 5: Like everyone says sports is so good to teach all 431 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 5: these things, and I see it now, you were also 432 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 5: in I kandemic. 433 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean acknowledge that. 434 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I guess, you know, if I would have 435 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 5: stopped for a second, I would have realized that there 436 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 5: was other things. But I did not feel like I 437 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 5: had anything else I could offer the world except for 438 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 5: my you know, my football skills. And now I see 439 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 5: that there's so many things I learned from sports, but 440 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 5: I had to start learning. You know, I'm gonna I 441 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 5: love video editing. Let me learn this software. And actually 442 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 5: the cameras are pretty cool too. Something learned the hardware 443 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 5: side of it. And then now we started a YouTube 444 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 5: channel and oh my gosh, I love this and you 445 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 5: start to like slowly kindle this other side of you, which, 446 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 5: like to your point, took the pressure off of that 447 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 5: old passion I had of football. 448 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 6: And then and then both were in a better spotish result. 449 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 4: I will say, though, I think a huge gift we 450 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 4: are both given was the experience of getting to the 451 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 4: very top and not feeling fulfilled. And I think our 452 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 4: world likes to paint this picture of if only you. 453 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 3: Have X, Y and Z more money, huh a title. 454 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 4: If you climb the top to the top of the ladder, 455 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 4: you will be happy, You will feel fulfilled. 456 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: That'll be the greatest thing in your life. 457 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 6: Yeah. 458 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 4: And though winning a medal at the Olympics is absolutely incredible, 459 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: it did not fulfill me. I had more joy training 460 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 4: in my gym for sixteen years than I. 461 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: Did at the Olympic competition. 462 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 4: It was very cool, but it wasn't, you know, the 463 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 4: most fulfilling part of my life. 464 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: And I think Andrew was the same way. 465 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 4: He had so much fun in college and then when 466 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 4: he got to the NFL and he looked around and 467 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 4: was like, I don't know. 468 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: If this is what it's all talked up to me, 469 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 3: Like this isn't fun. I'm not loving this. 470 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 4: It made us have a humility when we transitioned out, 471 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 4: though difficult to say, let's kind of get rid of 472 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 4: what the world is telling us we should go do 473 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 4: now and actually go find something that is fun to 474 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 4: us and humble ourselves enough to start over and be 475 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 4: completely horrible at something but truly fall in love with 476 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 4: something again and learn and build, which is what we 477 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: love to do. And so we started over, and it 478 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 4: took us a while to find like our niche and 479 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 4: what we liked and what we loved and what we 480 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 4: fell in love with. But I think it was the 481 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 4: gift of athletics, and you know, learning that the hard way, 482 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 4: that that. 483 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 3: Gave us the gift of where we are today. 484 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: You know, when you say you think it's going to 485 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: fulfill you, it's such a universal thing. You know, you 486 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: get to the Olympics, you get to the NFL, you 487 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: get on the show, you do the movie you've always 488 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: wanted to do, you you know, whatever it may be, 489 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: and then you're still just sleeping in your bed at night, 490 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: like gotta go to the grocery store. 491 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: And I'm curious. 492 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: Actually, I'm not sure if I think this is what 493 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: it is, but I wonder if part of it is 494 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: the way things are covered. You know, the story the 495 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: news package on the Summer Olympics, or you know the 496 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: blockbuster hit for Christmas or whatever it is. 497 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: You watch that. 498 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: Stuff and you go, wow, look at what those people 499 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: are doing, and it's beautiful, and it is, but it 500 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: kind of looks like, to your point, the big moment, 501 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: the big achievement, and then you think, oh, when I 502 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: have that, I will feel fill in the blank. And 503 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: then you get whatever your version is and you're like, oh, 504 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: this is super weird. Nobody told me I'd still be 505 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: anxious and I'd still be like in a fight with 506 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: my mom or whatever's going on in your world. 507 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 2: You're like, this didn't fix me. Huh. 508 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: So it's like and I think the transition out of something, 509 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: you know, I remember what it felt like, you know, 510 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: to end nine seasons, ten years on a TV show, 511 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: like almost no actors get to do that. And I 512 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: remember being so surprised because we had all been so 513 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: ready to be done. We were like, this has been great, 514 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: but we've literally been locked up like in these four 515 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: sound stages since we were twenty one and now we're thirty. 516 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: Like talk about you know what you were saying, You 517 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: leave your life, you move somewhere, you know no one, 518 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: you're only insulated with your little group, and like, sure, 519 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: that's great, but also it's insane. And I remember leaving 520 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: and being like, oh, this is so weird. I can't 521 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: stop crying. I didn't think I was sad about this, 522 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: and I realized it was both like I was so 523 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: happy to go home and I was going to miss 524 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: the place that had been my home for a decade. 525 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: And I think. 526 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: The intensity of sport and also the truncated amount of 527 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: years you get to do it, Like you are a 528 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: phenom and a freak if you make it to thirty 529 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: or forty, and you know, playing a sport, right, and 530 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: so you kind of have to start over, but you're 531 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: starting over so young. Do you think meeting each other 532 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: helped you both figure out how to shift out of 533 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: one world and into another one. 534 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 535 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: So my timeline was I retired technically my first time 536 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 4: after the two thousand and eight Olympics. I was sixteen 537 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 4: years old, and that was the absolute hardest transition for 538 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 4: me because for three years, from the age of sixteen 539 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 4: to nineteen, I had to go finish high school. 540 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: Oh right after the Olympics. 541 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I do go out to high school. 542 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 4: I had the world telling me I was, you know, 543 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 4: at the top, on the top of the world, and 544 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 4: they expected such perfection in any field. But I was 545 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 4: also just a child and I didn't I needed to 546 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: figure out where I was going to go to college 547 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 4: and what I was going to do and what job 548 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 4: I was going to go get, and that was that 549 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 4: was really hard for me, so hard that I ended 550 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 4: up going back into gymnastics because I felt like that 551 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 4: was my safe zone. I didn't necessarily want to, but 552 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 4: in my mind that's all I could kind of compute 553 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 4: to be. 554 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: I totally get that. 555 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 4: So I went back into gymnastics, retired a second time 556 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 4: at nineteen, and then that's when we were introduced. At twenty, 557 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: right when I was coming out of my second go 558 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 4: round and it one hundred percent was the reason I 559 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 4: made it through that transition. I remember putting such pressure 560 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 4: on myself to be a perfectionist. And there's this interesting thing, 561 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 4: which I'm sure you've experienced too, where like people don't 562 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 4: care about you. They care about your character. They care 563 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 4: about what they see in the headlines, and that's all 564 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: they want to know about. And I remember Andrew, it 565 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 4: was like the first time I had met someone who 566 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 4: actually cared about me as a human, and it was 567 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 4: very It took me off guard because I was like, 568 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 4: what do you mean you want to know what I 569 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 4: eat for breakfast, like as a human and not gymnasts, 570 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 4: And don't you want to. 571 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 3: Know about the Olympics? And He's like, I don't care 572 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: about that. I want to know you. 573 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 4: And so he kind of got to hold my hand 574 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 4: and walk me through that. And then once I kind 575 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 4: of got my feet under me and we had been 576 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 4: dating and then married and he retired from the NFL, 577 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: it was almost like I could return the favor. 578 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: I could hold his hand through it and say. 579 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 4: You got me through mine, Now let me be your 580 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 4: anchor and let's walk through this together. But I think 581 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 4: it just gives you that emotional support that you need 582 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 4: when it seems like everything is up in the air, 583 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 4: to give you a foundation to lean back on. 584 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I know that feeling. 585 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 6: It's also crazy. 586 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 5: I mean the echo chamber that can happen in your 587 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 5: own brain of like I don't know, just the stories 588 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 5: you can start telling yourself that just amplify and you're 589 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 5: like to have someone else there who's like, WHOA, just 590 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 5: hold on a second. Just that's not the way I 591 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 5: see it, nor is it reality, And so it just 592 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 5: chill it out for a second is really interesting. 593 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 4: My favorite story, though it was a low point, so 594 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 4: I say this humorously now because we've gotten through it. 595 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 4: My favorite point was Andrew was kind of going through 596 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 4: his exit of the NFL and having like an identity 597 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 4: crisis where it's like, what am I to the world 598 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 4: and what am I to myself now? And you have 599 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: a civil engineering undergrad degree from Vanderbilt, you have an 600 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 4: MBA from Vanderbilt, graduated with honors, all these things, and 601 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: he signed up to be an Uber driver and he's like, well, 602 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 4: this is all I It's all I have to. 603 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 3: Give the world anymore. 604 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 6: I would still do it. 605 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 4: I know you would still do it, And you'd be great, 606 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 4: and a neighbor driver. 607 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 3: Is a wonderful job. 608 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 4: But it was just I was sitting there as his wife, 609 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, this is okay, We're gonna 610 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 4: you know, you can be an uber driver if you 611 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 4: would like, if that fulfills you, but. 612 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 3: Just now that it's not all you have. We'll be 613 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: back in just. 614 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: A minute after a few words from our favorite sponsors. 615 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: It's kind of arresting, though, when when you have anything 616 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: that happens to you that feels, you know, like an explosion, 617 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: like everything's been sort of flattened, finding your way out 618 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: of that is hard. 619 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: And I think. 620 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: In whatever way that happens like it can really be 621 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: the thing that saves you or illuminates something for you, 622 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: or to your point, quiets those voices. And I think 623 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: there's an added layer again that you know, you're not 624 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: supposed to talk about if you've made it, because you 625 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: should just be grateful and shut up. 626 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: But there is the. 627 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: Added pressure of an entire digital world talking about you, yeah, 628 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: and criticizing you and judging you and assuming they know 629 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: things about you, and it can break you. And I 630 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 1: think having someone else with you who knows what that 631 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: is is also such a It can offer you so 632 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: much salvation because you do have someone to say, I 633 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: know that's not true about you. I know this is crazy, 634 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: And so I'd imagine that you have like having that 635 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: version in your own home where you get to be like, hey, 636 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: remember who you are, remember what is true about you, 637 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: Remember how great you are, qualified, you are, talented, you 638 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: are And if you need a break to like. 639 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: Have a Menti bee and drive around downtown, that's also okay. 640 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 6: I love you like. 641 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: That's that's a game changer because it helps stop you 642 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: from getting swallowed by a machine that is so much 643 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: bigger than anyone person. 644 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 4: We interviewed someone who and it has just always stayed 645 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 4: with me years ago, who said, like the human heart 646 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 4: was not meant to digest all these voices that we 647 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 4: have access to anymore. And I remember him speaking on 648 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 4: make sure the voices that you truly let in are 649 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 4: trusted and small, like a small circle. And I feel 650 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 4: like we try really hard to do that. We're both 651 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 4: having mental breakdowns. 652 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 3: Last week. 653 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 4: It was like it was like I need you to 654 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 4: speak truth to me, and you to speak truth back 655 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 4: and back, and it's just it is they're so it's 656 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 4: the world is so loud now, yeah, and it's really 657 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 4: hard to turn it off. 658 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have to be so. 659 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 4: Conscious about who has the most volume. And I think 660 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 4: we all struggle with this. It's an ebb and flow 661 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 4: of Well, Instagram voice has got a little too loud 662 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 4: for me today and I am about to go lock. 663 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 3: Myself in a room. 664 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I need someone to truly just like tell 665 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 4: me what which way is up? 666 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 3: And yeah. 667 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 5: It's interesting because it goes both ways, you know. And 668 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 5: we write in our book about mentorship and having someone 669 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 5: who is trusted voice, who is like a little further 670 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 5: down the path than you are wherever you want to 671 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 5: be in life, like, hey, this is the type of 672 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 5: family life I want to have, Like, and that's this 673 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 5: person is my role model in that because they have, 674 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 5: you know, whatever kids or the family that you kind 675 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 5: of envision uh wanting, And it's like, you know, they 676 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 5: it's almost you can find any opinion you want online 677 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 5: and it's like seeking you will find you know. If 678 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 5: I want someone to hype me up, I can go 679 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 5: find someone and like go like, hey, this person thinks 680 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 5: I'm awesome. And that's that can almost be equally as 681 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 5: unhealthy as someone finding the voice of daying. 682 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 6: I am a trash football player. I am I lost 683 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 6: that game. 684 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 5: And you can like be unhealthy on both sides, where 685 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 5: you don't necessarily just want yes men in your life. 686 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 5: You don't just want people who are cynics and skeptics. 687 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 5: It's like you want someone who's lovingly honest. It's like, Andrew, 688 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 5: I think it's probably time that, like you, you consider 689 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 5: other things in football. And here's why I have known 690 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 5: you for twenty years. I've seen your career. I've been 691 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 5: a part of all these conversations, and you've told me 692 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 5: about what coaches are saying their feedback and the scouts 693 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 5: aren't calling as much, and like that is such a 694 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 5: different thing than like Andrew, the tweet that you get 695 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 5: online Andrew never plays football ever again, you know, like 696 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 5: you're terrible, Like that just doesn't hit the same as 697 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 5: someone who actually intimately knows the situation. So I think 698 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 5: it's like finding that fine balance of loving honesty. 699 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you have to you have to figure 700 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: out how to build your own filter out of that 701 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: huge funnel that we were not meant to evereah No, 702 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: And that's I think that's kind of a task for 703 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: our peer group as well, Like nobody wrote the handbook 704 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: for this before us, because it didn't exist, and so 705 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: we we kind of have to figure it out together. 706 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: And I think when you when you are with you 707 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: know your right person and you have a good mirror, 708 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: and then you have more of those good mirrors in 709 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: your extended circle, your family, your friendships, Like that's what 710 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: helps you start to do that. And I imagine because 711 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: I know you guys celebrate ten years of marriage this year. Congrats, 712 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, being married for a decade, having three kids, 713 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: Like you've really been through it enough to have I 714 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: would think kind of like a routine for how you 715 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: do things. How do you feel like parenthood maybe made 716 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: you even better at that stuff, Like, because it can 717 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: be hard to be nice to yourself, but you want 718 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: to be nice to your You want to be the 719 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: nicest person in the world for your kids. 720 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 5: You know. 721 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like your spouse partner, I mean, is 722 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 4: like the best first mirror relationship that you get, where 723 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 4: it can be very humbling when you have someone so 724 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 4: trusted be like, you're not being very nice right now, 725 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 4: and it's like I think you're probably you're a mirror, 726 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 4: so you're probably I should probably listen to that, you know. 727 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 4: And so I think with us having we're married how 728 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 4: many years before through three four three three, having been 729 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 4: married three years before we had our first kid, that 730 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 4: was you know, an ebb and flow that you really 731 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 4: have to get used to and have to You have 732 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 4: to find trust there and humility. But then you take 733 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 4: it up a notch for the child because you want 734 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 4: to give them the world. You want to be the 735 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 4: best version of yourself. Yeah, and it is so difficult 736 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 4: being a parent. It's so beautiful. And I don't mean 737 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 4: that in a bad way of being difficult. It's just difficult. 738 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 3: You Raising humans is not easy. 739 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 4: And to see their reflection of you. 740 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 3: Is so pure. 741 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 4: And there's no judgment and there's no there's no like, 742 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 4: there's no jadedness to them yet. So anything that they 743 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 4: say to you, like mommy, are you having a hard day, 744 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 4: it's kind of like, oh, wow, I need why do 745 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 4: you think that? Like what am I doing? And it's 746 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 4: just made you It's made us way more selfless and 747 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 4: way more self reflective of what our values are and 748 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 4: what we spend time doing and how we are reflecting 749 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 4: that to our children and what we're teaching them. And 750 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 4: they already have so many voices and we are the 751 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 4: loudest ones, thankfully right now. But trying to teach them 752 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 4: their filters already for life is terrifying, and we have 753 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 4: to make sure we have hours figured out, which we 754 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 4: don't are getting better at it. It's just it's a 755 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 4: very humbling experience. 756 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: I think it's also so interesting because you get to 757 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 1: kind of relive your own childhood in ways yeah and go, oh, 758 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,760 Speaker 1: I have I have a wound there or oh my god, 759 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: I was made for this moment, like this is my 760 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: area of expertise, and it's it's so beautiful because you 761 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: learn all this stuff I don't think you'd learn otherwise 762 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: if you didn't have that little person who is this 763 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: pure thing mirroring at you and and to just go 764 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: back to the beginning of your point. Yes, it is 765 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: the most gorgeous thing. And it is so hard. And 766 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: my friends and I are like any any like mom fluencer, 767 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: dad fluencer who just makes it look easy. 768 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 2: You're a trader. You're a trader, You're. 769 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: A liar, Like we have got to be able to 770 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: say this is an absolute miracle and also like, what 771 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: are you doing to get through this crazy phase or 772 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: this you know, struggle development moment? Like, and I think 773 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: the more we get to normalize that stuff, the better 774 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,919 Speaker 1: for all the parents out there. 775 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 2: So both and I think there's. 776 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 4: Something so beautiful about and pure about children and our 777 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 4: world that's so just crazy. Right now, it seems like 778 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 4: we can all agree we want to raise good humans 779 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 4: and we want to protect the puritists and children. 780 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,439 Speaker 3: So I feel like, kind of like. 781 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 4: You're saying, it's like all the chaos quiets when you 782 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 4: have a child around, because you're like, I want to 783 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 4: protect you, and I want to love you, and I 784 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 4: want to do my best. And so all of us 785 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 4: parents coming together being like, how do we do this? 786 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, we all want the best for kids. 787 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think most of us. 788 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: I think it's been a pretty rough time in the 789 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: world to realize not everybody does. 790 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but my hope. 791 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: Actually is that the amount of us who as like 792 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: as we spoke about earlier, would literally run into moving 793 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: traffic for our children. 794 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope. 795 00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: We quiet all the other noise and simply focus on 796 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: how we're going to reorganize the world for them, because 797 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: there are some people who don't have that as their 798 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: core value, and like, those are people I wish I 799 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: could pack into a cannon and shoot out into space. 800 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, you should be voted off the island, and 801 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: I mean the island of Earth. Lately, the last couple 802 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: of years have sort of broken my faith in humanity 803 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: and also made me be like, if the moms were 804 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: in charge, this shit. 805 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 2: Would be fixed by lunch. 806 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they would live on Mars. 807 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 2: They live on Mars, exactly, exactly. 808 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: I am enjoying this conversation with Sean and Andrew so much, 809 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: and I hope you are as well. Tune back in 810 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: for the next special bonus episode, where we dive into 811 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: all the specifics of their incredible new book, Courage to Commit. 812 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 2: See you soon,