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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast, am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to George Nor with you. Let me

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Speaker 2: tell you a little bit about Maria Mayor. Doctor Hail

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Speaker 2: did by The New York Times as the female Indiana

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Speaker 2: Jones and referred to as her Wildness Doctor. Maria Mayor

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Speaker 2: as a world renowned primatologist, author pink books, Boots and

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Speaker 2: a Machete, one of her books, Explorer, television host as

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Speaker 2: National Geographics first female wildlife correspondent. She has hosted dozens

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Speaker 2: of documentaries, including her own National Geographic wild series Wild

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Speaker 2: Nights with Maria Mayor, Mark Burnett's Expedition Africa for History Channel,

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Speaker 2: currently starring in Discovery Channel hit series Expedition Bigfoot. A

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Speaker 2: former NFL cheerleader for the Miami Dolphins, daughter of Cuban immigrants,

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Speaker 2: and mother of six, She's not your typical scientist, Maria.

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Speaker 2: Welcome the program, first time for you, right, Hi.

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Speaker 3: George, Yes it is. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: What a tremendous career you've had. How did you go

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Speaker 2: from being a cheerleader to a PhD.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's see, that's an interesting trajectory and very unusual.

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Speaker 3: I was a cheerleader for the Miami Dolphins for four

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Speaker 3: years while I attended the University of Miami, and while

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Speaker 3: I was actually in a pre law program, I took

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Speaker 3: an anthropology class just to fulfill a science requirement, and

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Speaker 3: I just I fell in love when it came to

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Speaker 3: primates that were critically endangered and on the verge of disappearing.

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Speaker 3: And that's what changed my entire life. I basically watched

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Speaker 3: gorillas in the mist and I saw Diane Fosse just

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Speaker 3: cuddling up to these majestic creatures, the mountain gorillas in Rwanda,

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Speaker 3: and I thought, right, that's what I want to do

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Speaker 3: for the rest of my life. And so off I went,

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Speaker 3: not to Africa at first, but to South America, and

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Speaker 3: I went on my own expedition. That was the very

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Speaker 3: first one when I was about twenty two years old.

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Speaker 3: And well the rest is history.

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Speaker 2: Good for you now, the PhD is in what field?

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Speaker 3: It's an anthropology? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Okay, great of all the primates that are out there,

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Speaker 2: how did you get involved with Bigfoot?

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Speaker 3: So my work has taken me all over the world,

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Speaker 3: always in search of very rare and elusive animals. In fact,

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Speaker 3: some of them had never even been photographed, they'd never

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Speaker 3: been studied. Most people deemed it impossible that I would

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Speaker 3: ever find them, and I did, and so on one

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Speaker 3: particular expedition, I was in Madagascar and I discovered the

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Speaker 3: world's smallest primates ay, a tiny little primate that weighs

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Speaker 3: less than two ounces. It basically fits in the palm

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Speaker 3: of your hand. And one of the producers of the

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Speaker 3: show that was assembling the team reached out to me

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Speaker 3: and said, we really want you to join the Expedition

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Speaker 3: Bigfoot team because you discovered the world's smallest primate. We

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Speaker 3: want you to go full circle and possibly discover the

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Speaker 3: world's largest. So that's all I'm involved.

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Speaker 2: Did you love science when you were a kid.

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Speaker 3: I loved animals. When I was a kid, I was

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Speaker 3: not necessarily, I was very I was a little girly girl,

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Speaker 3: and I was the daughter of Cuban immigrants, which you

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Speaker 3: asking her if I could join the Girl Scouts when

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Speaker 3: I was little, and she said, absolutely not, that's way

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Speaker 3: too dangerous. So I never imagined I would become a scientist.

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Speaker 3: I think I thought i'd have a more traditional career

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Speaker 3: my past was actually a little bit of an obsession

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Speaker 3: for animals. When I was a kid, I basically had

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Speaker 3: all sorts of creepy crawlis that I just love to observe.

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Speaker 3: I spent all my time up in a mango tree,

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Speaker 3: you know, observing animal behavior. So that was my little obsession.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't know that that would ever lead into

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Speaker 2: I'm going to assume your parents came here in the sixties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom was actually one of the first people

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Speaker 3: My grandmother looked at my grandfather and said, we're leaving.

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Speaker 3: We're leaving tomorrow, and they left everything behind and came

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Speaker 2: That's pretty gutsy to be able to do that, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: My grandmother was unbelievably gutsy. And it's funny because there's

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Speaker 3: boarding with with nothing, you know, obviously, just the clothes

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Speaker 2: Of all the primates you've studied, which one would you

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Speaker 3: In, Uh, well, lemurs, I suppose in Madagascar. I don't

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Speaker 3: but the you know, King Julian, the Lemur, the ringtail Leamer,

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Speaker 2: And lemurs kind of explain what they look like.

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Speaker 3: Lemurs are. They're odd creatures. I mean, they're primates, so

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Speaker 3: there's one of our closest living relatives. But they look

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Speaker 3: They're all they're almost whimsical looking animals and there's a

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Speaker 3: they have these huge, huge eyes and typically smaller in

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Speaker 3: the apes, of course, but they're just fascinating animals. I

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Speaker 3: remember the first time I went to Madagascar, for as

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Speaker 2: In this little mouse lemur that you were able to find,

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Speaker 2: how small are they?

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Speaker 3: How small are they? They weigh less than two ounces

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Speaker 3: I would I would say, they're they're pretty small.

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Speaker 2: How about the size of a mouse.

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Speaker 3: Right about the size of a mouth.

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Speaker 2: Yes, then they look like little monkeys.

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Speaker 3: They actually if you saw it running through your kitchen,

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Speaker 2: Of all the expeditions you've been on, what has been

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Speaker 3: You, Oh gosh. I get asked that a lot, and

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been charged by, I mean really like

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Speaker 3: They're incredibly you know, large, sort of imposing, very very

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Speaker 3: strong animals. And the same thing with forest elephants. I've

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Speaker 3: in some pretty precarious situations in Congo. One situation in particular,

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Speaker 3: one of them took my passport from me and said

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Speaker 3: And then in Congo again, I was taking a flight,

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Speaker 3: It turns out somewhat of a funny story, I suppose

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Speaker 3: a because I survived, But also in hindsight, the plane

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Speaker 3: I looked around me and all the nuns were praying,

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Speaker 3: And somehow I think it worked because here I am.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to go down on a plane, you

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Speaker 2: want to go down with a bunch of nuns, That's for.

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Speaker 3: Sure, you really do, you know? I'd never kind of

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Speaker 3: a at a brothel where I spent the next, you know,

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Speaker 3: a few nights trying to figure out how to how

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Speaker 3: And just the fact that I could smell that made

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Speaker 3: going to say, the adventure didn't end on the plane crash.

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Speaker 2: No. Your website, of course. Do you take emails through

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Speaker 2: your website?

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Speaker 3: I do, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of people that want to reach you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it sounds good. It's Maria Mayor dot com. And

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Speaker 3: you can certainly send me an email through there also

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Speaker 3: on Instagram a lot. I'm a lot better about checking

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Speaker 2: There are the great apes much like a human.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, sometimes when I watch, especially gorillas, there's almost this

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Speaker 3: feeling like I should turn away, Like you know, if

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Speaker 3: peeking in and then be suddenly, you know, a family

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Speaker 3: a lot of the times what it feels like when

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Speaker 3: you're observing gorillas, Like their family groups are so similar

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Speaker 3: least known ape in the wild, but in the zoos.

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Speaker 3: If you've ever taken the time to stand there and

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Speaker 3: animals might look at you, but like there's thoughts behind.

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Speaker 2: Motion. There isn't there there.

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Speaker 3: Really is, there's intent. They're watching you in the same

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Speaker 3: way that you're watching them. And primates in general are

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Speaker 2: They go after human body parts, don't they They can

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Speaker 3: Like they would a little monkey that they're hunting for. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: they're not hunting, although you know, you could get injured

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Speaker 3: for sure by a gorilla. I had a gorilla in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into Bigfoot after the break that it's

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Speaker 2: an incredible creature, but you've heard of the abominable Snowman

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot yes, in theory, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: Murray, have you ever been in a situation where the

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Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness, so many times. I mean in the

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Speaker 2: Them, two of the worst insects made by God.

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Speaker 3: Huh. I mean seriously, as much as I love animals,

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Speaker 3: I am, I'm good to eradicate ticks and mosquitoes.

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