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Speaker 1: up dozens of videos that have racked up more than

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Speaker 1: thirty five thousand views, which is not a lot for

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Speaker 1: a YouTube channel, but it is a lot for homicidal

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Speaker 1: Nazi propaganda. Think about people that, well, probably just a

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Speaker 1: couple of just a couple of thousands shooters, Katie, how many?

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Speaker 1: That's not that many mashoots. There's a couple of thousand

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Speaker 1: fans of a mass shooter. It's in the and a

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Speaker 1: Mass Shooter book, and that's your book. Um. So the

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Speaker 1: Bull Patrol is specifically Dylan Roof. There's also that in

433
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Speaker 1: cell from like three or four years ago, Elliot Roger Rogers, Yeah, Rogers.

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Speaker 1: And they're all kind of gradually morphine like, like congealing

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Speaker 1: together into the same water ecosystem of people who are

436
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Speaker 1: probably going to shoot up a bunch of innocent people. Right,

437
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: here's my resentment, here's your resentment. What if we are

438
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: all resentful together and what if we all convince each

439
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Speaker 1: other that the Jews are a part of it, which

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Speaker 1: is increasingly affect Yeah. Yeah, weird how it always gets

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00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: back to Nazis, Like it is weird. You scratch any

442
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: of these groups of like psychotic kids who want to

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Speaker 1: murder a bunch of strangers, and you always keep keep

444
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Speaker 1: finding Natzis. Yeah, they fear the same thing and they

445
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: want the same thing. Yep. Weird, weird, weird. Although all

446
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: of this news makes it way easier for me to

447
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: understand stuff like you read about the Holocaust, It's like,

448
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: how do you find all those people willing to work

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Speaker 1: at those ohio of them? Okay, okay, gotcha and easily

450
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: moved across. You can do a lot of stuff with them.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of maneuvering that can be done with

452
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: those kids of people. Yea cool, cool, cool. So the

453
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Speaker 1: read cs YouTube channel has titles in it like the

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Speaker 1: Lost White Civilization of China and a thirty seven minute

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Speaker 1: We're going Back and a thirty seven minute video titled

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Speaker 1: who were the Jews? Oh? I bet you, I bet

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Speaker 1: you find out that you fund out a lot. Many

458
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: of their videos are just readings from pages of Siege.

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00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: I would like to play a chunk from one of

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00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: those videos titled what can we dispense with? President? To

461
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: dogcatch or they are all the same bureaucratic sellout swine.

462
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: No distinctions are to be drawn, meaningless considerations of parties

463
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: of left and right, and even individual identities names, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: are simply not to be used. To kill an ism.

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Speaker 1: You have to kill the ISTSI anti Semitism, I have

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Speaker 1: to kill anti right. I bring this up because it

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Speaker 1: highlights an important difference between the mentalities nurtured by Siege

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Speaker 1: and the Turner diaries. Adam. Often the most directly Siege

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Speaker 1: inspired extremist group is nihilistic, often suicidally, though their name

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00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: is the German word for atomic weapons, because their whole

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Speaker 1: deal is trying to bring about in eagerly awaiting the

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Speaker 1: destruction of all society. And they have these weird ties

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Speaker 1: now between like all these left and right wing, like

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Speaker 1: eco terrorist groups and like eco fascist groups, and like

475
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Speaker 1: these leftist groups that started us was like anarchists, like

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Speaker 1: individuals tending towards the wild, are starting to share more

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Speaker 1: neo Nazi propaganda. It's weird because they're all kind of

478
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: not the exact same goal, but they're kind of all

479
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: want to fucking kill everything, and and that's what Siege

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Speaker 1: is the book for Turner Diaries is the book for

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Speaker 1: people who are not nihilists. They want to build something.

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Speaker 1: They want to build something by destroying something. I want

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Speaker 1: to build something. Siege is the book of like bucket.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the reason the Turner Diaries killed

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Speaker 1: more people up until now is that now is the

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Speaker 1: time of fuckett, right right. We were yeah, like all

487
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: these stories you were telling were like, oh, yeah, nineties,

488
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: like there's a different yeah, kind of attitude about it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, we were all even even the Nazi terrorists

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00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: were more optimistic. We could build something something together. Now

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Speaker 1: it's burn it all down. It's burn it all down.

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Speaker 1: The Turner Diaries was able to radicalize a guy like

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Speaker 1: Timothy McVeigh because at its core the book is not nihilistic.

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Speaker 1: The Diaries are good at inspiring want to be revolutionaries

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Speaker 1: to carry out violent actions. Siege is more suited to

496
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Speaker 1: the kind of suicidal extremists that groups like Isis also

497
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Speaker 1: seek to radicalize, and by the way, Adam often loves them.

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Speaker 1: Some Isis to share a lot of ices videos. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's basically tailor made propaganda for the kind of twenty

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Speaker 1: something young men who become mass shooters. I will talk

501
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: much more about Siege in the book I'm shamelessly plug

502
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: completely related to this exact topic. But let's get back

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Speaker 1: to Rockwell. Rockwell, George Lincoln did not come up with

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Speaker 1: the ideas of leaderless resistance or lone wolf terrorism himself.

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Speaker 1: Good for him. He did not write the Turner Diaries

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Speaker 1: or Siege, but he directly inspired and radicalized the men

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Speaker 1: who did. If you scratch any ideological precept of modern fascism,

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Speaker 1: you eventually wind up back at George Lincoln. Rockwell. For example,

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Speaker 1: you all know about eight, of course, and the significance

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00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: of those numbers of Nazis. It's basically for the listeners

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Speaker 1: who may not know. It's a way to to covert

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Speaker 1: way for Nazis to signal their Nazism without directly putting

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Speaker 1: a swastika on their clothing her body. Eight stands for

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Speaker 1: Heil Hitler because H is the eighth letter of the alphabet,

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Speaker 1: and the fourteen words are as follows. We must secure

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Speaker 1: the existence of our people in a future for white children.

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Speaker 1: That phrase was first written by David Lane, a member

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Speaker 1: of Robert Matthew's criminal gang The Order. Well he was

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Speaker 1: in prison, Lane also wrote a three page tract called

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Speaker 1: White Genocide Manifesto. According to the Atlantic, it argued, quote

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Speaker 1: racial integration is only an euphemism for genocide, and that

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Speaker 1: the white races on the averge of extinction due to

523
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Speaker 1: interbreeding with other races. Stupid idiots, losers and stupid dogshit

524
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Speaker 1: ideas about everything. Oh my god, it's a conspiracy to

525
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Speaker 1: get rid of It's not like the natural thing that

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Speaker 1: humans do. Yeah, it's all fear based. It's it's saying

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Speaker 1: like I don't want to be treated like I treat people.

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Speaker 1: It's the same feel like I'm going to get over

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Speaker 1: run and I'm not going to have my power, and

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00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm afraid. I'm afraid, afraid of fraid. The next time

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Speaker 1: you hear white genocide out of the mouth of somebody

532
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: trying to claim that they're like a relatively reasonable person,

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00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: remind them. The phrase was invented by a bank robber

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Speaker 1: who got in prison for bank robbery because he joined

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Speaker 1: a group that was inspired by a bad science. I

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Speaker 1: will say that if someone's talking about white genocide positively.

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00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: They probably don't care. So yeah, bank robbing Nazis, congratulations

538
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: on your great idea, but stupid, stupid. There's like a

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Speaker 1: Holocaust historian who was talking about this and like the

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00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: like fascist of today and how like it's just like

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Speaker 1: when you talk about globalism, it's like it's like a

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00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: conspiracy to control everybody as opposed to like, well know,

543
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: like we're all connected more and like you have the

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Speaker 1: Internet and you have all these sort of ways that

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Speaker 1: we can comes from the natural progression of like a

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Speaker 1: species on a planet. Yeah, I look so forward to

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00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: less white faces as people like we're gonna be so

548
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: much more attractive and you have better immune basics of

549
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: diversity and evolution. It's it's these people. I M. So,

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Speaker 1: if you've ever heard the phrase white genocide or seeing

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00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: a eight tattoo, you can thank at least half of

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00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: that for David Lane. And Lane, of course was directly

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00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: inspired by William Luther Pierce, who was radicalized and molded

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00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: by George Lincoln Rockwell, there he is again. It always

555
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: comes back like a John Jacob Jinkle Harmer Schmidt for Nazis.

556
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: But with Nazis, you know, it's not for Nazis the

557
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: wonderful products and services of the show and her program

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: Sophie's checking her phone out, So I think I can

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Speaker 1: get away with that one and products We're bad. Yeah,

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00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: he's happy to be here. Yeah, y'all heard of Matthew Heimbach. No,

561
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: he's the founder of the now defunct Traditionalist Worker Party

562
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: and one of the forces behind the first deadly Unite

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00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: the Right rally. Uh. He was a lot more prominent

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00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: in the ault right until after the Unite the Right rally.

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00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: And like in two seventeen he or two than eighteen

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Speaker 1: here he got caught sleeping with the wife of his spokesman,

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Speaker 1: a guy named Matthew Harry oh Man and the nicknames

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00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: some people came up with for for that whole event

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Speaker 1: which led to the destruction of the t w P.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful, the Night of Wrong Wives. Oh that's so good,

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Speaker 1: so good, well clever, you get really smart, really really

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00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: good joke. I don't know who made it. Might have

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Speaker 1: been a Nazi. Still a good joke, Still a really

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Speaker 1: good joke. Now, Matthew Heimbach was for a while the

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Speaker 1: most or one of the most notorious white supremacists in

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Speaker 1: the country. He gained notoriety early on in the mid

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Speaker 1: odds as the young, media savvy face of white nationalism.

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00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: One of his innovations in terms of presenting fascism to

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Speaker 1: Americans was to focus on racial separatism instead of white supremacy.

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00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: Heimbach went out of his way to say that whites

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Speaker 1: are not inherently superior. Richard Spencer preached a broadly similar

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Speaker 1: gospel at least two reporters. Rockwell was more openly racist

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00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: and fascist than either of those men, but he pioneered

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00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: the use of the tactic they both used. We can

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00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: see the seeds of the strategy and his support for

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00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: the Nation of Islam and black nationalism. Rockwell total reporter

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00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: at the time that his only disagreement with the Nation

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00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: of Islam was quote, they want a chunk of America,

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Speaker 1: and I prefer that they go to Africa. Heimbach basically

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00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: refined that too, I think they should stay in predominantly

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00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: black areas like Detroit and rural America should stay white.

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Speaker 1: In a very real way, Rockwell represents a bridge between

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Speaker 1: the original Nazis Hitler and Crew and modern neo Nazis

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00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: and fascists in America. I've spent quite a lot of

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00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: time reading through Unicorn riots, archives of fascist discord conversations

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00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: mostly from members of the groups that planned the first

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Speaker 1: deadly Unite the Right rally. These people talk about Rockwell

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Speaker 1: or g l R pretty regularly. Here's one quote. Today

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00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: is the birthday of Commander George Lincoln Rockwell. Honor this

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Speaker 1: man by cooking a steak, celebrating national socialism, pride and

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00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: being white and calling your neighbor and in word here

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00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: I have linked the playlist to a series of videos

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00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: about George Lincoln Rockwell that you can play throughout the day. Personally,

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00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm having a cookout with some edgy friends and I'm

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00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: going to be blasting this ship that is so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: Cody might die. Oh we have barbeque and play the

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00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: words of a Nazi has been dead for sixty years. Edgy,

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Speaker 1: all right, I think have fun and always remember and

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Speaker 1: he quotes from Rockwell here, life is a struggle even

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Speaker 1: to stand up, as a struggle against the law of gravity.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the joy of life the struggle itself,

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00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: not the victory, because if it were, we'd all lose.

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Speaker 1: We're all going to croak, we all lose the battle

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Speaker 1: of life. So if you can't find some fun in

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Speaker 1: the fight to live and live to the fullest, then

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00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: you're a failure already before you even start live life

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00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: for the fullest. Have some have some fun while you

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00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: are making racist banners to troll Martin Luther King's junior

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Speaker 1: with friends having fun? What's the point which your edgy

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00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: friends like the guy and the girla and the dude

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Speaker 1: who shoots you in a couple of years. Yeah, real,

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00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: real edgy, like a bunch of edge lords just killing

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Speaker 1: each other. And oh god, you had to explicitly say

624
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: like me and we're like edgy. I love it. I

625
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: also love that. Like there's the whole Like, I just

626
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: think that they should stay where they are. We stay,

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00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: we're in a superior that's literally Hitler quote uh of

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00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: him saying like, no, I don't think we're superior. I

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Speaker 1: think like Chinese people stay in China. You say, were

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Speaker 1: you Japanese people? Hey? The Axis was a multi racial empire.

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Speaker 1: You see, you see, you see it included all the races, Germans, Italians,

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Speaker 1: Japanese people. That's the whole spectrum. I edgy, Japanese friends,

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Speaker 1: Italian friends, one group of Indian soldiers Yep, there you go,

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Speaker 1: Indish legion. They were just they hated Britain. Hitler wasn't racist.

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Speaker 1: Confirmed that that is actually how that's been turned into.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh, I also hate the Internet. Door Countercurrents

637
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Speaker 1: dot com, a Nazi website for fucking Nazis, commissioned an

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Speaker 1: article on Rockwell in honor of his birthday, written by

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Speaker 1: Gregory Hood, author of a book called Rockwell Was Right.

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Speaker 1: So Gregory hood analysis is interesting to me. Quote Rockwell's

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Speaker 1: national socialism was not an ideology so much as a tactic,

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Speaker 1: an attempt to build a fighting conservatism capable of defeating

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Speaker 1: the militant left. Rather than Nietzsche, Baron Evola, or even

644
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Speaker 1: Alfred Rosenberg, the greatest influences on George Lincoln Rockwell where

645
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Speaker 1: Senator Joe McCarthy, Douglas MacArthur, and even William F. Buckley.

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Speaker 1: His inability to rally the American right marks a milestone

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Speaker 1: and white political activism, as George Lincoln Rockwell is the

648
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Speaker 1: bridge between patriotic racial conservatism and revolutionary white nationalism. Not wrong,

649
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Speaker 1: not wrong, not relevant. Uh, didn't make you think of

650
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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff today. Just just a random quote

651
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Speaker 1: for a random Nazi website. This is why a guy

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Speaker 1: like Rockwell can influence both explicit neo Nazi terrorists and

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Speaker 1: much more moderate, less murderous groups like the Proud Boys.

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Speaker 1: If you spend any time hanging out with the Proud Boys,

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Speaker 1: or watching Patriot prayer rallies, or watching videos posted by

656
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: either of these groups, members of them will regularly and

657
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Speaker 1: proudly describe themselves as anti communist. If you go any

658
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: to any of these bloody rallies as I have, you

659
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: will see anti communist action shirts and you will hear

660
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: the phrase anti communist or ant de calm bandied about constantly.

661
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Speaker 1: In June of nineteen sixty, George Rockwell went to court

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Speaker 1: to defend his application to march at Union Square in

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Speaker 1: New York City. There were huge protests of his presence,

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Speaker 1: some of which disrupted the court proceedings. A recess was

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Speaker 1: called and Rockwell took the opportunity to go out and

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Speaker 1: speak to some of the waiting TV cameras. According to

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Speaker 1: the book for Race and Nation, Quote, Rockwell told television

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Speaker 1: reporters that the A and P was growing every minute,

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Speaker 1: but that his goals had been misrepresented by newspapers. Contrary

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Speaker 1: to newspaper reports. We are not trying to exterminate anybody,

671
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Speaker 1: but we are trying to eliminate communism. We want to

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Speaker 1: shock the American people into the awareness of the extreme

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Speaker 1: danger of what is going on. After that, he said

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Speaker 1: he only wanted to gas traders, which he expected would

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Speaker 1: encompass no more than eight percent of the Jewish population. Sorry,

676
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Speaker 1: I don't want to exterminate anybody, but the population. Communism

677
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Speaker 1: is the same thing as Judaism, is the same thing

678
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Speaker 1: as any like any art, Leftism, liberalism onto something that's

679
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: a sticking point with people that they're afraid of, they

680
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Speaker 1: don't understand, and then like milk and that unite the

681
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Speaker 1: right to defeat authoritarian left exactly exactly now. When Rockwell

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Speaker 1: said there's the line about gassing eighty percent of Jewish

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Speaker 1: people in America, this caused many in the crowd to

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Speaker 1: shout at him. One person tried to attack him, but

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Speaker 1: was held back. The reporter asked Rockwell how he responded

686
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Speaker 1: to such rage. Rockwell replied, quote, I'm used to it.

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Speaker 1: They never makes such a fuss over communist speaking. It's

688
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Speaker 1: only when someone is an anti communist. No, no, no, no,

689
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Speaker 1: there's more to it in life George Lincoln Rockwell was

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Speaker 1: never able to unite the right, but in death his

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Speaker 1: ideas have gone on to have influence at every level

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Speaker 1: of the radical right wing ecosystem. I would like to

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Speaker 1: close by quoting a paper from the University of Glasgow,

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Speaker 1: the Leaderless Resistance, George Lincoln Rockwell and the White Separatist

695
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Speaker 1: Movement quote. The advantage of history and political context allows

696
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Speaker 1: an accurate appraisal of Rockwell and American Nazism. Rockwell as

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00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: a phenomenon has never been equaled in the American far right.

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Speaker 1: With his panash charisma, ability to manipulate situations and gain

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Speaker 1: media exposure, Rockwell had little in common with many of

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Speaker 1: his followers, who are attracted to the Nazi philosophy he advocated.

701
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: Prior to Rockwell, the extreme right was an exclusive resort

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Speaker 1: devoted of Catholics and non Aryan whites. It was Rockwell

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Speaker 1: who ended that exclusivity. I care not what religion, club, area,

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Speaker 1: or class you come from, nor what bit of colored

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Speaker 1: cloth you wave as a flag. We are all under

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Speaker 1: deadly attack. Gel l r JE cheer for that guy.

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Speaker 1: That's U. I mean, every single time we're on this show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to say yeah, and they not. Like a

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Speaker 1: lot of these groups acknowledge him, and and he's very

710
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: regularly talked at. He shows up all the time. If

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00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: you go to Unicorn Riots database of discord leaks of

712
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Speaker 1: all these different groups from Identity Europa, the t w P,

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00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: it comes up constantly. Sure they love him, and he's

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00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: he's you know, there's a great book called Everything You

715
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Speaker 1: Love Will Burn, which is about it was about a

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Speaker 1: guy who's like for like two eleven on two sixteen,

717
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Speaker 1: he was just hanging out with these guys like Matthew

718
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: Heinbach in different fascist right wing guys and like decided

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00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: during the election, I gotta write a book about like

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna do this thing. And Rockwell comes

721
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: up in that like he's a lot of other people

722
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Speaker 1: have made this connection. He is the I mean and

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Speaker 1: and and you know, even when it's indirectly with Siege

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Speaker 1: and the Turner Diaries, He's still the guy who was

725
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: talking to the fucking author of Siege when that dude

726
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: was fucking fourteen years old. He's the guy who gave

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00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: William Pierce his first newsletter and you know started him

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Speaker 1: on the path writing the Turner Diaries. He is patient

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Speaker 1: zero of the fucking plague that killed eleven people in

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Speaker 1: the Tree of Life Synagogue, that led Christopher hass In

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Speaker 1: to plan a massacre, and it's going to be behind

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Speaker 1: the masker that may have happened by the time this

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Speaker 1: episode drops. So g l R lose fucker. Well know,

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Speaker 1: I was going I was going for it looks like

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Speaker 1: an R. We've been at this for a while. Lose,

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Speaker 1: get lost something one pump, get lost Rockwell, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: get lost Rockwell. There you know that is good? U. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I liked his reaction. Robert's reaction was much

739
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Speaker 1: better than you. I'm still upset at my failure. I know. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean my brain feels a little mushy from all

741
00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: of that, but also um horrified, muscified, mucified. Um. I

742
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: choose to not learn anything from this though. Yeah, this

743
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: is the right decision. All this history sort of seems relevant.

744
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: But I'm going to push out of my mind. I'm

745
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: not sure. It'll probably be fine. I think it'll be fine,

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Speaker 1: Probably be fine. Histories for lostens. Trying to find a quote.

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Speaker 1: My favorite quote about history is those who h learned

748
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Speaker 1: from history shouldn't say anything because it's not important. This

749
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Speaker 1: is what Lindsay from You're the Worst says about history. Okay,

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00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: whatever history you happened, already, let it go, oh twenty

751
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: one century right there? If you care about history. And

752
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: they're worried about all this stuff. I have an audio bookcase.

753
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot more that I had to leave out

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Speaker 1: because I wrote thus words about George Lincoln Rockwell, there's

755
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: a whole lot more Christian identity, talking more about siege

756
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: in the Turner Diaries, and a bunch of the stuff

757
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: that we did not get to that explains Dylan Roof

758
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: and all these other fucking mass murderers. Uh. The audio

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Speaker 1: book that I'm working on is called The War on Everyone.

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Speaker 1: You can go to go fund me, look up the

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Speaker 1: War on Everyone. Donate. I'll make that audio book and

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00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: then I'll use the money to go stare at these

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Speaker 1: people at rallies and ask them difficult questions, and then

764
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: I'll do stuff into yet everybody's life. I really feel

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00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: like the Democrats are gonna get it together. Oh interesting, Interesting,

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Speaker 1: that seems historically like what they'll do. Everyone will get

767
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: behind one candidate and they'll they'll do a great job

768
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Speaker 1: of campaigning, the news media won't breathlessly cover the lies

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Speaker 1: that the president says about that manna uh, there will

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Speaker 1: be no more fighting in the streets. Um. And then

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Speaker 1: we will elect an actual being of light who descends

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00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: from the sky and it's just the reincarnated soul of Mr.

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Speaker 1: Rogers who will who will lead us into a future

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Speaker 1: of national healthcare and moderate environmental activism so that we

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Speaker 1: can stop the nightmare. Yeah. Interesting, I have to say

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Speaker 1: confidently that you think that Democrats will get it together.

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00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: My heart um lifted a little bit. And then you

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00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: kept talking. I mean they might know. I think what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. I mean, I'll say this in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight, when like before, Barack Obama was like the candidate.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at him and Hillary duking it out,

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00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, the Democrats are gonna suck

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Speaker 1: it up, and after eight years of George W. Bush,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get fucking this this mess. And then the

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Speaker 1: best political candidate of my lifetime are best at least

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Speaker 1: political campaign of my lifetime? Maybe yeah, Well then we

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Speaker 1: don't know. Everything starts so soon. Now it's March, the

788
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: year before this March, and by my account, a hundred

789
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Speaker 1: and forty six million people are running for president. Sheared

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Speaker 1: Brown just said he's not running anymore. Oh good, yeah, good,

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Speaker 1: I support I do like him. I mean I don't

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Speaker 1: like this qualities. I like he seems like an affable

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Speaker 1: man that I enjoyed dinner with. I wasn't going to

794
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Speaker 1: vote for him. Yeah, anyhow, we need more coffee billionaires. Yeah,

795
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Speaker 1: ah man, that coffee billionaire. Because if there's one thing

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Speaker 1: I don't have a joke, cream cream. I think we've

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Speaker 1: come up with the slogan that's gonna win into no matter,

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Speaker 1: no matter who is. I know, I'm imagining Cody. Picture

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Speaker 1: this in your mind's eye. Half a million people crowding

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Speaker 1: the streets of Washington, d c. Flooding the National Wall,

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Speaker 1: their hands on placard, shouting at the White House, and

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Speaker 1: one voice as one people, one pump, one cream. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's one pump, one cream, one cream. One Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: see that act, see that very vividly. It's it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I see the like a phoenix America above the powder,

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Speaker 1: the powdered cream ashes, the ted cruise. Colm, Oh, how

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Speaker 1: did we get here? Why? It's three hours of this?

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Speaker 1: You guys want to plug your plug doubles before we

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Speaker 1: start saying something crazy more than anything. Yeah, you know Internet, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: out a stickers put them on everything, one like a

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Speaker 1: behind the Bastards dot com. I'm Robert Evans. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: for the love of God, if you remember nothing else,

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