WEBVTT - Pineal Optics: My Third Eye

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from How Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Weren't dot Com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas, and

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<v Speaker 1>today we're rolling out an older episode we did Pennel

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<v Speaker 1>Optics My Third Eye. We think it's a really fascinating one.

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<v Speaker 1>We think you might enjoy it for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>or for the second time if you listened to it

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<v Speaker 1>during its initial errands. Yeah. And another reason why you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to bring it out today is because Robert's third

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<v Speaker 1>eye has been winking all day at people, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we thought, yeah, this is it's time. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>the eye wants. Yeah, yeah, my my flash opened up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it keeps making weird, awkward eye contact with people.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I'm gonna do. I guess an

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<v Speaker 1>eye patches in order. We'll see how it goes. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't help that you put a smalllse eyelashes on it

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<v Speaker 1>as well. You know, I wanted to look pretty because

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of them. You know, you wanted to lend

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<v Speaker 1>in with the other eyes. You don't want it to

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<v Speaker 1>feel left out. That's true, all right. We hope that

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, enjoy this all right, So obviously we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the pennel gland and also called the third eye. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so the third eye for for those of you who

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<v Speaker 1>have not been exposed to it. Where we're gonna start

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<v Speaker 1>out with just a brief discussion about the non scientific

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the third eye, that being that there is this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the two eyes with which we see the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but that buried inside us, there's this third eye that

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<v Speaker 1>if we are too if we open it, we can

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<v Speaker 1>see something that isn't there, or something that is hidden

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<v Speaker 1>from our normal perceptions of the world, that we will

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<v Speaker 1>be able to see, uh, the spiritual aspects of the

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<v Speaker 1>world around us. Sour see into the future or see

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<v Speaker 1>into the now. Um. It really depends on who's doing

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<v Speaker 1>the talking as to what a third eye actually only

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<v Speaker 1>consists of. You see, you see various takes on this

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<v Speaker 1>in Hinduism. Um, if you've ever looked at any Hindu iconography,

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<v Speaker 1>then you've you've no doubt seen like the flaming eye

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<v Speaker 1>of Um of of Shiva, that that burns and shoots

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<v Speaker 1>out flames. You if you're familiar with with with the dyoga,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, you probably know of the ana chakra. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a positioned supposedly position in the brain right behind

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<v Speaker 1>the eyebrows center. And this involves you know, future site

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<v Speaker 1>clear sight, presence, or even occult powers depending on who

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<v Speaker 1>again is doing the talking. You see, uh, you see

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<v Speaker 1>the third eye in Kabbala, in Taoism, in various New

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<v Speaker 1>Age ideas and uh and you know even in heavy

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<v Speaker 1>metal lyrics from time to time as well. Also Gwen Stefani,

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<v Speaker 1>well you know she used to, Yeah, the bindy is

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<v Speaker 1>a reference to to the third eye, into the into

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<v Speaker 1>the chakra and all that. Um. So, yeah, anytime someone's

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a bindy, they may not know it. They might

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<v Speaker 1>just be wearing it for purely uh you know, ornamental reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>But but there is this idea of the third eye

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<v Speaker 1>buried in that. What I think is so fascinating about

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<v Speaker 1>this topic is that the third eye has been something

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<v Speaker 1>that has been subolic symbolic to us, right, this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing and seeing all. But really it does have

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<v Speaker 1>roots envision and we will talk about that via the

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<v Speaker 1>pineal gland. Um. So, what is cool about this is

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<v Speaker 1>that somehow humans had sort of an inkling that this

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<v Speaker 1>third eye um might have actually been something within their

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<v Speaker 1>own brains that was giving them some sort of insight

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<v Speaker 1>or sensorial experience. And we'll talk more about that a bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So first, let's let's back up just a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about about the pineal gland and its history and its

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<v Speaker 1>connotations and associations with the idea of a third eye

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<v Speaker 1>and spiritual insight and all of this. If you go

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<v Speaker 1>back in time to around two thousand, you had this

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<v Speaker 1>man by the name of Galen Uh Greek medical doctor philosopher,

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<v Speaker 1>spent most of his time in Rome, and Uh he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote on a number of things, but he his writings

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<v Speaker 1>dominated medical thinking like on up until the seventeenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>And he did discuss the pineal gland in his eighth book,

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<v Speaker 1>uh of his anatomical work on the usefulness of the

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the body. And he was really more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in the pineal gland than than anyone at that time

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<v Speaker 1>or for you know, for years and years afterwards. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a time when when there there was this

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<v Speaker 1>idea that the ventricles in the brain flowed with something

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<v Speaker 1>called psychic numa, and numa is supposedly the breath of

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<v Speaker 1>life in Stoic philosophy. It's this uh fine vaporous substance

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<v Speaker 1>that Galen described as the first instrument of the soul. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so imagine these these these old thinkers and philosophers, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're they're trying to understand how the world works,

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<v Speaker 1>how the human body works. Um there working with limited

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<v Speaker 1>tool though at their disposal, and they have only the

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge that came before them, with which you understand it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So there they have this idea of psychic numa in

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<v Speaker 1>their mind and they're poking around in um the brain

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<v Speaker 1>of of a corpse to see what they can find

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<v Speaker 1>and see what seems to do what. So when when

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<v Speaker 1>Galen looked at the pennel and uh, and he in

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<v Speaker 1>his book he describes the penel and talks about its

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<v Speaker 1>resemblance in shape and size to nuts found in the

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<v Speaker 1>cones of the stone pine. And that's where we get

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<v Speaker 1>the name peneal pine. Uh that next time you have

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<v Speaker 1>pine nuts about. Yeah. So he's poking around in the brain,

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<v Speaker 1>finds the pineal gland, but he doesn't see it as

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<v Speaker 1>really involving any of this numa, any of this spiritual stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>because he notices that it is outside that's something outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the brain, and he thinks that the part of

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<v Speaker 1>the brain that's gonna be involved in regulating psychic numa

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be uh something that we call the vermis

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<v Speaker 1>Supper of Sarah Belli uh in the cerebellum. And he

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<v Speaker 1>figured that was much more proper to play, to play

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<v Speaker 1>that role. But uh okay, So after his death again,

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<v Speaker 1>his his work continues to remain important. Uh. In medieval texts,

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<v Speaker 1>it is misinterpreted a few times, and it eventually the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that the peneal gland is involved with the human

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<v Speaker 1>spirit um and in our spiritual essence resurfaces. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a long run, by the way, right up to the

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<v Speaker 1>seventeenth century. Yeah, indeed, I mean, you know, incertainly, these

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<v Speaker 1>classical thinkers, I mean many of them are still we

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<v Speaker 1>still hold them up high today. They were, they were groundbreakers.

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<v Speaker 1>So the seventeenth century rolls around and we have a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named reneed to Carts, who most people are familiar with, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because what's his famous quote? I think therefore I am yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>easy to remember for me, because it was there was

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<v Speaker 1>a money python song about philosophers. The Australian Philosopher's Song.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a really bad joke too about how a way

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<v Speaker 1>to ask him if if he would like dessert and

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<v Speaker 1>he says, I think not, and then he keels over.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good. Um. So reneed to Carts is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>primarily known for his contributions to mathematics and philosophy, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was also really interested in anatomy and psychic and

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<v Speaker 1>in psychology as well. So he ends up doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of thinking about what it is to be human

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<v Speaker 1>and then the biological aspect of that. And in this book,

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<v Speaker 1>The Treaties of Man, he describes a conceptual model of

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<v Speaker 1>a human which consists of two parts, body and soul.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Cards works up this theory that the pineal

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<v Speaker 1>gland is the seat of the census communists. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the input. It's where the input of the senses

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<v Speaker 1>are bound into an understanding of the world. So we

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<v Speaker 1>see it involved according to the Deck hearts and sensation, imagination, memory,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and bodily movement. Now Deckart's theory would would

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<v Speaker 1>go on to be very important. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>would really take this and run with it, because he's

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<v Speaker 1>an important man, saying some really awesome things about this

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<v Speaker 1>little tiny pine nut in our in our heads. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to note that he was not really he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even really working with the best anatomical and physiological

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<v Speaker 1>asumptions of the time. So he's he's really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>going off in his own direction on this, but it

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<v Speaker 1>continues to be important. Towards the end of the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>You see Madame Blavatsky, the founder of Theosophy, and she

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<v Speaker 1>really gets into the idea of the third eye um

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<v Speaker 1>and in the pennel and compares it to the eye

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<v Speaker 1>of Shiva, and she really argues that the penneal gland

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<v Speaker 1>is an atrophied organ of spiritual vision. Switch Again, as

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<v Speaker 1>we've discussed, there's this idea of this third eye hidden

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<v Speaker 1>inside as that allows us some sort of sight that

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<v Speaker 1>we have forgotten and that can on some level be

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<v Speaker 1>attained again. Okay, so again what I find really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about that is that there are seeds of truth to

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<v Speaker 1>that in terms of the tissues of the pineal gland.

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<v Speaker 1>And again we'll talk about that more and more scientific terms,

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<v Speaker 1>but this inkling that this there's this uh sensory perception

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<v Speaker 1>center in the pineal gland is correct. Yeah, And you

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<v Speaker 1>can also get behind the idea that there is an

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<v Speaker 1>ancient form of sight involved in the pineal gland. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the theories back that up as well, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not attuned with the spirit per se. By the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the podcast, will come back around to an inkling

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<v Speaker 1>of some of those ideas. But but for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>from here on in, put the spiritual world behind you,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's all going to be about seeing an evolution.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we crack open the skull as uh as

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<v Speaker 1>Galen did, uh and we take a look at the penial,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we gonna see? We're gonna see a small

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<v Speaker 1>organ to shave like a pine nut. And it's located

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<v Speaker 1>on the midline, attached to the posterior end of the

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<v Speaker 1>roof of the third ventricle in the brain. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>a human it's roughly a centimeter in length, varies and

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<v Speaker 1>it is composed of penniless sites and glial cells, and

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<v Speaker 1>in older animals the o pennial often contains brain sand,

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<v Speaker 1>which are just calcium deposits. But I do love the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of brain sand. Um, yeah, it is essentially an

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<v Speaker 1>endocrine organ, right, But I did want to mention that

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<v Speaker 1>when the human embryo is in the earliest stage of development,

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<v Speaker 1>cells that will form the penel gland have the potential

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<v Speaker 1>known as the differential excuse me to Frenchian potential to

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<v Speaker 1>become I cells such as lens, epiphilial layer or retina

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<v Speaker 1>neuron cells. So in other words, it has all the

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<v Speaker 1>ingredients to make a brand new eye, but it forms

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<v Speaker 1>into this endocrine organ which produces the hormone melotonin. Yeah. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>and at a cellular level, it is astonishingly similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the eye um, particularly to the cellular structure of the retina.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just a thing where someone founded they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of looks like an eye, because it really

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really look like an eye. But but at at

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<v Speaker 1>a cellular level, and again in early and it's in development,

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<v Speaker 1>we see the connections to our actual eyes. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a great connection to as you say, evolution when

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<v Speaker 1>we look at the reason for this why this penel

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<v Speaker 1>gland exists. But before we do that, let's talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about the melotonin um and its role,

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<v Speaker 1>because what we have found is that the human peneal

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<v Speaker 1>gland regulates the rhythm that beats out of the biological

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<v Speaker 1>clocks of ourselves by secreting melotonin according to light stimulus

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<v Speaker 1>received through the eyes and from the skin as well

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<v Speaker 1>as other cells. So in the morning, the level of

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<v Speaker 1>melotonin secreted is low, in the evening it's high. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the benefit of exposure to natural light in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning is that the secretion of melotonin is curbed, enabling

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<v Speaker 1>the body to keep its daily rhythm on track. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that seems kind of straightforward and so what, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a big uh, that's a big deal production

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Yeah, And we've talked before about the importance

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<v Speaker 1>of melotonin and serotonin in the human mind and the

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<v Speaker 1>human body. I mean, it's it has everything to do

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<v Speaker 1>with our our biological patterns. It had with our our

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<v Speaker 1>our level of contentment with the world and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly has come up in our discussions of various um

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<v Speaker 1>psychedelic properties as well. Yeah, And if you think about

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<v Speaker 1>the peneal gland too, it's kind of like the control

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<v Speaker 1>tower of the body trying to really sense to what

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<v Speaker 1>degree it needs to secrete the melotona. Remember that it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting these cues from skin cells, other cells in the

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<v Speaker 1>body um as well as the eye. Yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 1>think of it as a transducer, Okay. The pinnel transduces

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<v Speaker 1>signals from the sympathetic nerve system into a hormonal signal.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, you know, if you're assembling the human body,

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<v Speaker 1>you say, out of an IKEA kit, and you might

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<v Speaker 1>see the pennel in its own little little plastic bag there,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might well leave it out during the confusing

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<v Speaker 1>assembly process, but you would definitely notice that result. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a that is an important little nut to screw

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<v Speaker 1>into the finished works. That's right, even with that tiny, little,

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<v Speaker 1>tiny little uh what is that supposed to be? I

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<v Speaker 1>guess like a screwdriver, Alan rinch, the Alan rich That's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is crazy? Um that that has got to

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<v Speaker 1>be the most frustrating tool in existence. UM. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to mention that in the animals, the pineal gland is

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<v Speaker 1>really paramount to reproductive functions since the detection of increased light,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say in this spring, by the peneal gland adjust

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<v Speaker 1>the secretion of melotonin and then that sends this whole

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<v Speaker 1>symphony of cues to the animal's body to begin preparing

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<v Speaker 1>for the breeding season. So if you look at horses

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<v Speaker 1>and sheep, This involves a hypothalamus secreting the anterior pituitary

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<v Speaker 1>hormones which then essentially said nowt yep, I'm gonna say it,

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<v Speaker 1>go now a tropin. And this is a hormone aimed

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<v Speaker 1>at bolstering the animals go now ads and getting them

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<v Speaker 1>ready for breeding. Yeah, yeah, I was. I read a

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<v Speaker 1>bit which said that and when you're breeding sheep, um,

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<v Speaker 1>sheep that normally breed only once a year can be

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<v Speaker 1>induced to into two breeding seasons if you dose them

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<v Speaker 1>up with melatonin. Yep, exactly. And we've seen this in

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<v Speaker 1>the examples with other animals too as well. Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to mention this because I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting. Um this role of melotonin. Again, we just

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<v Speaker 1>think of it as well that helps us to sleep

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<v Speaker 1>and um, you know, have this wakefulness and not have wakefulness.

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<v Speaker 1>But I read this really very interesting study about how

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<v Speaker 1>malfunctioning circadian rhythm genes could be the basis for bipolar

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<v Speaker 1>disorder in children, many of whom are plagued with the

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<v Speaker 1>onset of sleep disorders at an early age. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is really a big detail that sets bipolar disorder

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<v Speaker 1>apart from a d h D and kids um this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of messed up sleep cycle or sleep disorders. R

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<v Speaker 1>O r N genes are expressed in the eye, brain,

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<v Speaker 1>and peneal gland, and in a study of one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty two bipolar children and one hundred forty children

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<v Speaker 1>as a control these children, obviously we're not bipolar or

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<v Speaker 1>thought to be, Psychiatrist Alexander Nicolausku of Indiana University found

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<v Speaker 1>four alterations to the r O r B jene that

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<v Speaker 1>were positively associated with being bipolar. So r O r

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<v Speaker 1>B expression is known to change as a function of

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<v Speaker 1>the circadian rhythm in some tissues, and mice without the

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<v Speaker 1>gene exhibit circadian rhythm abnormalities. So what they began to

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<v Speaker 1>see is that this this correlation with mal a tone

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<v Speaker 1>in and with disorders like this are hand in hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicolaski says that every time we investigate some abnormality

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<v Speaker 1>of molecular machinery linked to the clock genes, we find

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<v Speaker 1>an association with bipolar disorder. So obviously there needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be more research, but it shows promise in the treatment

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<v Speaker 1>and that researchers have been on the right path and

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<v Speaker 1>strictly regulating a bipolar patients sleep schedule to improve extreme

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<v Speaker 1>mood cycles that you see in bipolar disorder. Again, here's

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<v Speaker 1>this pineal gland, the controlled tower, but you know, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to give out the signals to the body. And it

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<v Speaker 1>shows that something like this can really sort of go

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<v Speaker 1>awry if if it's not all regulated. So, I know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're wondering, where does it come from the pineal gland?

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<v Speaker 1>How do how do we end up with this this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that is in many ways, in many interpretations, a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of primitive eye buried in the center of our

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<v Speaker 1>skull without any actual um chance to glimpse the light.

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<v Speaker 1>It ends up being this is mere transducer. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good question, and I'm glad you asked it because

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what we're going to talk about you. So

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<v Speaker 1>this really gets down to questions of the evolution of

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<v Speaker 1>the human high and the evolution of sight and um.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you start thinking about ocular evolution, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about really old business here, like really important like when

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<v Speaker 1>you're starting a business, like what are some of the

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<v Speaker 1>first things you have to have, right, You've got to

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<v Speaker 1>have you gotta have the building you had at the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>and the first people you hire, maybe you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>you've gotta have the key people on staff before you

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<v Speaker 1>staff up from there. So when we're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>development of the eye, we're talking about some very old

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<v Speaker 1>business and a lot of stuff ends up built up

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<v Speaker 1>around it. So it it makes sense when we start

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the ramifications of of melotonin levels on all

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<v Speaker 1>these varying levels of of of animal activity, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's route down to the to some of the earliest development.

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<v Speaker 1>So the eye has been around for a while and

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the eye of a human the

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<v Speaker 1>eye of a fish, they're not all that different. So

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<v Speaker 1>it goes back a long ways in evolution. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you go back far enough in our development, you find

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<v Speaker 1>a cyclops, or more specifically, you find something called a lanceolate,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are primitive creatures. They're still around to day,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have just one eye. Now, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>the main theories about the pennial evolution come down to

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of developing two eyes from one. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so back in the day simple organisms one eye, and

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<v Speaker 1>then his evolution progresses. This ide divides into left and right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is all predicated on the primordial brain. Like

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<v Speaker 1>this primitive brain that's just the solid mass, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>big ball. It hasn't divided yet into the right and

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<v Speaker 1>left heap sphere. So the brain divides into two and

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<v Speaker 1>then from one eye we get two eyes now and

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<v Speaker 1>then there there you can the various takes on which

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<v Speaker 1>came first, chicken or egg? Does the brain split because

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<v Speaker 1>the eye splits? Or does does the eye split because

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<v Speaker 1>the brain splits? Um? You can sort of go either

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<v Speaker 1>ways on that too. Particularly interesting theories that stem from that.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, there's one here from Professor Masusuki Iraqi

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<v Speaker 1>of nar Women's University, and Professor Araki believes that the

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<v Speaker 1>third eye comes into being during the transition from one

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<v Speaker 1>eye to two. The position that Iraqi is describing is

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<v Speaker 1>that this the single eye pulls to the left and

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<v Speaker 1>right and uh and divided. Uh, an eye remains in

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<v Speaker 1>the spot where the single eye had originally been. So

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<v Speaker 1>the third eye then is not the third to be created,

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<v Speaker 1>but the first, the original. So it's uh so we

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<v Speaker 1>what we think of as the third eye is essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the tissue, the prime big primordial tissue, primordial eye, really

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<v Speaker 1>very simple I right, that had that was able to

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<v Speaker 1>then sort of secrete itself back into our brains a bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've discussed with the way the human body works.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something doesn't just become useless overnight and fall off

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<v Speaker 1>of us, you know. It's that gets sometimes sometimes well

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes but but but but for for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>things get tucked away, Things get to get to get

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<v Speaker 1>hidden in case they're used later. Our body can be

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a hoarder in that example. Another theory comes

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<v Speaker 1>to us from David Klein, PhD. And he and he

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<v Speaker 1>works for the National Suit of Help UM. He has

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<v Speaker 1>this theory that it all comes down to UM to

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<v Speaker 1>melatonin again and in the head, in the brain, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the idea here is that roughly five million years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>the ancestors of today's animals became dependent on melatonin as

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<v Speaker 1>a signal of darkness, and as the need for more

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<v Speaker 1>and more melatonin grows, the pineal gland develops as a

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<v Speaker 1>structure separate from the eyes to keep the toxic substances

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<v Speaker 1>UM needed to make melotonin away from sensitive eye tissue.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because this whole process of adoption and all other

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals sort of interacting with one another, right, and the

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<v Speaker 1>more distance you have, the better UM. In this making

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<v Speaker 1>of melatonin so if you have that distance, then you

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<v Speaker 1>are making sure that your eyes are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be effective the chemical that's sort of like the really

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<v Speaker 1>very shallow dive on that. But I kind of feel

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<v Speaker 1>like both of them are correct because if you have this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, primitive brain, that's just a ball, but then

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<v Speaker 1>uh evolved into this right and left hemisphere, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the tissue. Well, as you say, the body

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<v Speaker 1>is really good at saying okay, hey, you're sitting around,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you do something? You jumping some some toxic

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in there and end up some allotron and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not using that room for anything. And so we see

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing with our office here. We only have

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<v Speaker 1>so much room to work with, and in an office

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<v Speaker 1>goes empty for too long, the video department will move

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff in there and start filming some some skits

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<v Speaker 1>and segments. The void gets filled. Yeah, um, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they all that you know. Of course, then someone is

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<v Speaker 1>the control tower of the light source and all the offices,

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<v Speaker 1>much like the pineal gland, controlling the to what degree

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<v Speaker 1>we are exposed to them. Um. So yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is our earth. I think it's so fascinating to

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<v Speaker 1>to see how the human body can adapt like that. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just human body, but if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the lancelet, this is really primitive creature. How the beginnings

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<v Speaker 1>of that show, how this this evolvement of our eye

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<v Speaker 1>systems and our penny all gland also it came together. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was describing Iraqi's theory and you're imagining this

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<v Speaker 1>one eye in the middle of a head, I ended

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<v Speaker 1>up imagining a human face. Um, well actually your face

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<v Speaker 1>since it's the one I'm looking at, imagining an eye

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<v Speaker 1>in the center of your head, and then the two

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<v Speaker 1>eyes coming out and then this uh, this primordial eye receding.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're you may be wondering, was there ever a

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<v Speaker 1>time when you have three eyes? Three or at least

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<v Speaker 1>three ocular units on the face. And yes, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss. We're glad you asked, because we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss after this quick break. There are plenty of animals

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<v Speaker 1>around today which which do have there two highly evolved

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and then also this remnant eye, this uh, parietal eye,

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<v Speaker 1>which is very closely connected. Do everything we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, We're gonna take a quick breaking when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back more pinny a lotrips. Okay, we're back the

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<v Speaker 1>parietal I. Now, if we look to some examples in nature,

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<v Speaker 1>we can get a fine, fine feeling for what this

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<v Speaker 1>parietal eye does. Yes, now we're not again, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about you look at the face and you see

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<v Speaker 1>three distinct eyeballs. But if you look at the certain

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<v Speaker 1>lower vertebrates such as fish and lizards, um, you'll actually

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<v Speaker 1>see this kind of you could almost mistake it for

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of like gray pimple. Uh. This this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gray little dot, gray little slit um around the forehead,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is this parietal i. Um. They typically it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it's a gray oval. And the animals

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<v Speaker 1>don't actually see out of this structure like they can't.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't look out of it like they're they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see an eyeball in it, right then, since

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<v Speaker 1>data is not going in it and then forming a picture,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the other eyes are doing. This uhi. The

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<v Speaker 1>throat all is more. It's a it's photosensitive and it

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<v Speaker 1>does influence circadian rhythm, but it's unable to capture images.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's believed that its sense it's light and regulates

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<v Speaker 1>body temperature and hormonal balance. So in a way you

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<v Speaker 1>can think of it. And we'll discuss this a little

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<v Speaker 1>more here. It is an eye that sees only one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sees what time it is. It sees where

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<v Speaker 1>if you can even applies a concept like time to

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<v Speaker 1>to an animal, but it can see where it is

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<v Speaker 1>in the cycle of night and day. Yeah, And what

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's really cool about it is that it

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<v Speaker 1>does have this sense of passing of time through its

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<v Speaker 1>pridal eye and these two kinds of neurons. So unlike

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<v Speaker 1>the human eye, which makes use of five different kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of neurons called photo receptors to analyze light, the parietal

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<v Speaker 1>eye has only two, as I said, but these two

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<v Speaker 1>neurons help frogs, fish and lizards figure out what time

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<v Speaker 1>it is. Um. This is from Seed Magazine, the article

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<v Speaker 1>the Secrets in the third Eye. The comparison of the

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<v Speaker 1>color signals now begin at the photo receptor rather than

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<v Speaker 1>in the retinal neurons as in the regular human eye.

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<v Speaker 1>So when this happens, the photoreceptors in the parietal I

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<v Speaker 1>are able to give information about the passage of time because,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is key, the color spectrum changes over time

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<v Speaker 1>during the day so the signal that comes out of

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<v Speaker 1>the photo receptor is sort of a readout of what

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<v Speaker 1>time it is, which very cool. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a superpower that we don't possess, even if

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<v Speaker 1>we do have pocket watches, pocket watches when it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century now yea. And this tridle is often

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<v Speaker 1>retained in burrowing lizards. Uh. And the idea here is

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<v Speaker 1>that these are animals that are occasionally exposed to light,

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<v Speaker 1>and the ridle eyes more suitable photo receptor for a burrower. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, that's what I think is really cool about

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<v Speaker 1>these partial eyes is that they do differ. In a

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<v Speaker 1>paper by Gundy and Works entitled Parietal Eye Peneial Morphology

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:12.680
<v Speaker 1>and Lizards and It's Physiological Implications, they looked at seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five species of lizards in their parietal eyes and they

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<v Speaker 1>found that there were seven different morphological types. Um. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of these types were the lateral parietal eye, the borode

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<v Speaker 1>eye as you mentioned, and this is my favorite, a

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<v Speaker 1>fingerlike projection that extends towards the parietal eye, so from

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<v Speaker 1>thee inside the head. Yeah yeah, and this actually allows

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<v Speaker 1>for the maximum absorption of light. This sort of configuration Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like the prietal eye and the pineal gland

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<v Speaker 1>sort of reaching to touch each other, like like Adam

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<v Speaker 1>and UH and God on the Sistine Chapel. Right, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope someone, I really hope someone paints that. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be a lovely Surely that's on the side of a

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<v Speaker 1>van somewhere or Alex Gray has done it. This seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a great Alex great topic right there. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of really cool study, especially in lizards are

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<v Speaker 1>a great way to study the bridal eye, and they

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<v Speaker 1>found a lot of interesting stuff about the the evolution

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<v Speaker 1>of of the parietal eye and the evolutionary conjunction between

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<v Speaker 1>invertebrate and vertebrate ways of seeing color UH pristance. John

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<v Speaker 1>Hopkins University study found two pigments in the pridal eye

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<v Speaker 1>of the side blotched lizard UH, two different structures of

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<v Speaker 1>protein communication. One of these is a pigment communicated with

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<v Speaker 1>transducent like protein called gustucin as vertebrates used and now

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<v Speaker 1>there is a pigment that uses GO protein. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>invertebrate way of of seeing. So the theory here is

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<v Speaker 1>that early on this go protein this was the norm

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<v Speaker 1>and then his evolution progresses, translucent pathway developed, and then

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<v Speaker 1>as a and as it progresses even further, you move

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<v Speaker 1>up to the lateral eyes, which are actually very highly

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<v Speaker 1>specialized structures that allow us to have depth reception. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the go pathway is dropped and we retain only

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<v Speaker 1>the transducent pathway. So like in we see in the

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<v Speaker 1>pridal eye, an ancient form of seeing, an ancient way

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<v Speaker 1>of just barely peeking out from the darkness of consciousness

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<v Speaker 1>into the light of the world. That's beautiful. Well alright,

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 1>so we uh, we couldn't tidy up the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast without making a mention of hallucinogens, right, because

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 1>you feel really heavy into them as a topic lately. Um, So,

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<v Speaker 1>what do hallucinogens have to do with the penel gland

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<v Speaker 1>in the third eye other than people feeling like they

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.639
<v Speaker 1>have tapped into them when they're on hallucinogens. Yeah. We

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>have a guy by the name of Rick Strassman, m

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<v Speaker 1>D who researched the hypothetical energy yet unproven connection between

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<v Speaker 1>the pineal gland and the production of d mt uh.

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 1>The first he was very interested in the pineal gland.

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Then he got very interested in d MT. He actually

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<v Speaker 1>performed the first new human studies with psychedelic drugs in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, and over twenty years back in between when

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.120
<v Speaker 1>he was he does about sixty volunteers with d MT.

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Eventually ended up canceling the research because he grew too

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>concerned about the pot of the negative effects that some

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.639
<v Speaker 1>of these individuals were having on these trips, seeing some

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>frightening things, uh, lizardman, godlike beings freaking out as they

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>dissolve into light, that kind of thing, which, as we

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>discussed in our psychedelic episodes, can certainly happen. But he

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:28.880
<v Speaker 1>he did formulate a number of just kind of really

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>out their ideas. I mean, from the time you you

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you read what the man has written, and he's not

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a complete lumin or anything. I don't want to paint

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.959
<v Speaker 1>him like that, but he has some very far reaching

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>ideas about what the pineal gland might consist of in

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>what it's doing, and and he gets into some some

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>really interesting territory where he's entertaining the notion that d

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<v Speaker 1>MT actually affects the brain's ability to receive information not

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>just in turping and generated, and that it can potentially

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>allow us to perceive dark matter in parallel universes. So it's, uh,

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it's all very theoretical. Um, you know, don't take that

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to the bank. But but I do find it really

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>really interesting. It is interesting. I mean, it's certainly in

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>an extrapolation on what Nobel laureate Julius axel Rod found

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>is that the brain does have naturally occurring trace amounts

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>UM of d m T in the brain. And then

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>some people have taken this to say the peneal brain

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<v Speaker 1>is is um where it's made, and perhaps there's some

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>sort of um connection connection between psychosis and even hallucinogens

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>or I should say hallucinations. But again, a lot of

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>this is all unproven at this point. We just all

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 1>we know for sure is trace amounts that are naturally

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>occurring in the brain of d MT, d MT being

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>this hallucinogen substance. Yeah, to what extent are we coming

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>back around to the same mistake of attributing spiritual and

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 1>ordinance to this little nut in the brain, or are

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 1>we coming around to some truth about it that it is.

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously it has something that it has. It

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>has stuff to do with the way that we since

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>and understand the world. But to what degree, so exactly. Yeah,

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, we we didn't talk about the third eye

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>is being a Freemason symbol. Oh of course, yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>what the the name for it at the top of

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the dollar, the triangle with the eye, Yeah, yeah, I

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>mean that's the third eye. But whatever we've we've seen

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>that in It's in the US Great Seal on dollar bill.

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>And of course there's a lot of conspiracy theorist who

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>will point to that dollar bill and say that, you know,

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's the work of freemasons. Um, But from

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 1>what I understand, Ben Franklin, who was the only Freemason

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>who worked on the currency at that time, proposed a

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>design and it did not have that third eye in it.

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 1>So also, um, that dollar bill third eye symbol was

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<v Speaker 1>in you I think, uh far, maybe like a decade

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>or more before the Freemason's even began to use it.

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>The eye of Providence, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And actually,

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>if you want to know more about that, you should

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>totally check out stuff they don't want you to know

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>because they do some deep dives into that territory. And

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>I really need to look it up because I was

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<v Speaker 1>not familiar with the term. I have providence to like,

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple of weeks ago, I was in yoga,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is gonna sound hippie dippy, but during Shabasna,

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I saw this, uh that when you're in rest. Yeah, yeah,

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I saw this, this triangle, like a pulsating triangle. It

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>seemed like it might be God or something, you know,

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>like that was the kind of vibe I was getting

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>off of it. So afterwards, like, hi, I wonder if

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 1>there are any ideas out there of like that interpret

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>God or a divine being as like a like a triangle,

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, like in a very geometric, like stripped down

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>since and that was the closest thing I have to find.

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>It was like Shiva's that call. Yeah, only the yogi's

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna laugh at that. Oh and I should also mention

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the things that got me into this

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>particular podcast, as I was thinking back to, the old

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>horror movie From Beyond, was based on a Lovecraft story

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 1>and that has a lot to do with monsters with

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<v Speaker 1>pennil glands that end up poking out of their head

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and squirming around like worms, and it's a lot of fun.

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Do you have a great blog post on that? Yeah? Yeah,

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>you can check it out. I do the Monster of

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<v Speaker 1>the Week deal when I have when I have time.

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