Speaker 1: Good morning Down, Good morning Cat. How are you. I'm good.
Speaker 1: How are you doing fantastically? I like that we're changing
Speaker 1: scenery per episode, which I think is fun. You know,
Speaker 1: we're working it out, we're experimenting, figuring out what our
Speaker 1: setups are going to be, and currently I'm going a
Speaker 1: blanket for it and I'm very much enjoying the experience.
Speaker 1: It looks great, it looks great. At what age do
Speaker 1: we stop making blanket for it's just for fun? You know,
Speaker 1: that was a silly thing. You know when they say
Speaker 1: growing up to trap, this is exactly what they're talking about. Like,
Speaker 1: when did we stop just being like I'm going to
Speaker 1: take eighteen pillow, say I'm gonna make myself a little
Speaker 1: a little hidey hide and I'm going to watch some
Speaker 1: movies in there, and that's going to be my day.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never stopped making blanket for it, so
Speaker 1: maybe I've just never grown up. I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. That was the correct choice. I
Speaker 1: want that as a voice note, I'm proud of you. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Before we dive into anything, I am Dominic Show and
Speaker 1: I'm Katherine McNamara, and welcome back, Come join us as
Speaker 1: we returned into the shadows. We'll get that eventually, we're
Speaker 1: going to get it one of these episodes. We're going
Speaker 1: to get it perfect. We have actually started to see
Speaker 1: some of some of the viewership. I guess that's the
Speaker 1: wrong listeners. We're starting to see some of how people
Speaker 1: are receiving the podcast response, response and feedback, listeners and
Speaker 1: viewers all together. If you can think of a word
Speaker 1: for all four of those things, please let me know. Rate,
Speaker 1: view and subscribe, rate, listen, subscribe. But the response has
Speaker 1: been so fantastic, So this is the first time that
Speaker 1: we've seen how you've responded to it, and I just
Speaker 1: want to say thank you all for listening because it's
Speaker 1: really lovely. You know, us and the producing team here
Speaker 1: at Propagate and My Heart were all really behind this
Speaker 1: um and we wanted to do something quite special and
Speaker 1: it seems like us and you guys are on the
Speaker 1: same page. So that's really wonderful. So thank you for listening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we've been telling everyone at Propagate and My Heart
Speaker 1: and you know, all the all the way at the
Speaker 1: letter what angels each and every one of you are,
Speaker 1: and you're just absolutely living up to your legacy, and
Speaker 1: I just wanted to you know, Domin, I want to
Speaker 1: extend the biggest thank you for listening and for your
Speaker 1: feedback and responses, and we'll have some more new featureats
Speaker 1: for you all to maybe participate in very soon. Um So,
Speaker 1: where we left off last week, we had left poor
Speaker 1: Simon upside down and we were all in sort of
Speaker 1: a bit of a panic as to how to get
Speaker 1: our brave, awesome, handsome Monday back, although jas would never
Speaker 1: have met any of those things, and we're sort of
Speaker 1: had a loss of what to do next, and that
Speaker 1: leads us directly into episode three, which is what we
Speaker 1: will be talking about today, called dead Man's Party. The
Speaker 1: air dates of which was January, Good Grief, Long Time Ago,
Speaker 1: over six years ago, Unbelievable, which was written based on
Speaker 1: the books by Cassie Claire, with the writers of the
Speaker 1: episode being Ad Dector and Marjorie David, and it was
Speaker 1: directed by the lovely Andy Walk and it was the
Speaker 1: first time we got to meet him, which was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Andy and the um cat tell us a little about
Speaker 1: what we can expect in this episode. So in this episode,
Speaker 1: the group takes an unexpected detour into the realm of
Speaker 1: the Undead, Clary, Jace, Alec, and Isabel must hatch a
Speaker 1: rescue plan that takes them into the heart of vampire Lair.
Speaker 1: With Simon being held captive at the Hotel de more Claire,
Speaker 1: he pleads with Jason elegant Isabel to help her rescue
Speaker 1: her best friend. As the team readies for the mission,
Speaker 1: Jace helps Clary learn more about her shadow Hunter powers,
Speaker 1: Isabel turns to her favorite see Ye for intel, and
Speaker 1: Alec begins to question Jace's motives and his place in
Speaker 1: their partnership. Meanwhile, a very scared Simon gets a very
Speaker 1: up close and personal with Camille, the leader of the
Speaker 1: vampire clan. So much happening, and already episode three, so much,
Speaker 1: so much already going on. We're meeting new people, we're
Speaker 1: meeting new new species in our world, and a lot
Speaker 1: happened behind the scenes of this episode as well. We'll
Speaker 1: get into that later. I was rewatching it two days ago.
Speaker 1: I was dealing with jet lag from England to l
Speaker 1: A and I was rewatching it and I got like
Speaker 1: full body shivers because you can see when it happened,
Speaker 1: or you won't see as an audience member ever when
Speaker 1: it happens. But I can see when it happens, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yep, that's it. That's the moment right there.
Speaker 1: But we will get into that later on. So, Cat,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell us some of the fun facts
Speaker 1: about shooting this except for fun fact number two, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about fun fact number two. Um, So, we
Speaker 1: shot this episode in ten days, from the nineteenth of
Speaker 1: June to the twenty nine of June. Oh June, Oh boy,
Speaker 1: was starting to get warm in Toronto, it was. And
Speaker 1: this was pre um temperature control in our studio as
Speaker 1: well as Yeah, we'll get into that more an episode five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: episode five, it was bad. That's I remember. It was
Speaker 1: five is when it got real bad. But we'll we'll
Speaker 1: discuss that this particular scene between myself and Matt Dadario
Speaker 1: that really uh caused a turning point in the Shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters lore and what we perceived for anyway, and let
Speaker 1: us some set changes in season two, but we'll sort
Speaker 1: that out later. There's a few goofs in this episode. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we were still learning how to do all
Speaker 1: the vampire freezing and incantos and speed and such, and
Speaker 1: so there's a point I guess in which Simon's hand
Speaker 1: changes position. And there's another point where we've got some
Speaker 1: jumping bloody mary glasses. I don't know. I've never caught
Speaker 1: those things, and I've seen the episode a few times.
Speaker 1: One of the best things about being honest like a
Speaker 1: supernatural esque show, though, like anytime someone points something like
Speaker 1: that out, we can just be like, a warlock did it.
Speaker 1: It was a warlock is magic the best it exists
Speaker 1: in our world. So just don't, you know, don't mess
Speaker 1: around with it, like it's this is our excuse and
Speaker 1: that's You're gonna have to be happy with that, and
Speaker 1: that's where we live. Yes, another fun fact, this is
Speaker 1: the first episode that we really get to talk about
Speaker 1: parabotite and we really get to dive into that anthology
Speaker 1: and what that means, and we get into it more
Speaker 1: an episode for and I know that was something that
Speaker 1: you and Matt dealt with the most, because you really
Speaker 1: aren't the only kind of major parabtide that we really
Speaker 1: dive into. We get into it a little bit with
Speaker 1: later on, but it's more so you and Matt kind
Speaker 1: of carried that that mantle as it were, throughout the
Speaker 1: whole year. And that, Yeah, we do get into that
Speaker 1: in season one, don't we with Luke and his Parabitie.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it really is just Matt and I,
Speaker 1: which was which was really good fun for us. You know,
Speaker 1: we got to, like we've discussed a few times before
Speaker 1: in this in this podcast with Simon sort of taking
Speaker 1: towards Simon and David taking the hands of like, this
Speaker 1: is what the vampires are going to be, this is
Speaker 1: how they're going to move, this is how they're gonna look, like,
Speaker 1: this is our responsibility to develop this. Matt and I
Speaker 1: had the responsibility of developing what the Parabitie relationship was
Speaker 1: even again coming down to like how you say parabati
Speaker 1: and Matt and I both pronounced it parabitie sort of
Speaker 1: almost instinctively, but we actually had that conversation with Cassie,
Speaker 1: and when Cassie wrote it, I think she had it
Speaker 1: in her head as parabat I. I think that's how
Speaker 1: she had it pronounced in her head. Um, and it's
Speaker 1: just interesting that Matt and I got to a different pronunciation.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this was sort of the first time we
Speaker 1: get to like anticipate and sort of foreshadow what this
Speaker 1: relationship is going to be and how important it is
Speaker 1: and explain it to the audience. And then what I
Speaker 1: did notice, which I think is interesting, which I don't
Speaker 1: think we'd really touched on. I don't think we touched
Speaker 1: on in this episode, and correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: But we do see the first sort of opportunity of
Speaker 1: Alec feeling what Jace is feeling, and it happens later
Speaker 1: on when we get to that section. I'll sort of
Speaker 1: explain it, but you do see a moment where and
Speaker 1: it's quite cool. I wonder if it was just by accident,
Speaker 1: because I don't remember having this conversation, but there's Matt
Speaker 1: in the foreground and me in the background, out of
Speaker 1: focus here, and we both sort of do the same
Speaker 1: thing with our faces just for one just for half
Speaker 1: a second, and it's a cool moment for us because
Speaker 1: that becomes so it becomes important later in the show.
Speaker 1: So this was Yeah, it was a fun opportunity for
Speaker 1: us to sort of explore and play with that relationship.
Speaker 1: And that's what's so great about this is there's so
Speaker 1: much mythology to the show, and so much of it
Speaker 1: I think why all of us had so much fun,
Speaker 1: especially in this first season as we got to kind
Speaker 1: of create the rules for the mythology and how you know,
Speaker 1: we read the books and you know what it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be in its scripted and all of this, but
Speaker 1: then the physical kind of manifestation of it, when you're
Speaker 1: living it out, it becomes different and it's it's a
Speaker 1: fun thing to get to create with a group totally totally,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, another fun point for audiences
Speaker 1: who don't know necessarily or or maybe who are unfamiliar
Speaker 1: with what sort of set life is like. You can
Speaker 1: have the best laid plans of myce men ready to
Speaker 1: rock and roll, and then you get to set that
Speaker 1: day and there's a tree that nobody noticed, or their
Speaker 1: ground is too hard, or you know, something is different
Speaker 1: and we weren't expecting that, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: we have to change the scene kind of on its heads.
Speaker 1: And we're like, okay, well, instead of you saying this,
Speaker 1: this is being said by this person. We're going to
Speaker 1: do this, We do this, and we're just going to
Speaker 1: switch it because we especially with a show like Shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters where we sort of fifty fifty were in the
Speaker 1: student we were out on location. When you're on location
Speaker 1: you don't have that much control. You have some control,
Speaker 1: but you don't have that much control of you know,
Speaker 1: what's going on. Some days you turn up and there
Speaker 1: have decided to fix the road across the street, and
Speaker 1: that's the noise that you're going to be hearing the
Speaker 1: whole way through. You know, you just have to sort
Speaker 1: of roll with it. This this episode, I think was
Speaker 1: very fifty fifty on location, and it was our first
Speaker 1: big nighttime shoot, like first proper two in the morning shoot.
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was I mean, since we
Speaker 1: had done you know, all the stuff in the nightclub,
Speaker 1: it was it was one of our first shoots that
Speaker 1: we were up all night outside in a graveyard that
Speaker 1: we all got very familiar with. Yeah, we got very
Speaker 1: familiar with this graveyard. I think outside is more what
Speaker 1: I mean, because you can you know, when you're inside
Speaker 1: and you're shooting two or two in the morning, you
Speaker 1: don't really have any reflection of that time passing because
Speaker 1: you're stuck inside. You know, you're just working inside. When
Speaker 1: you're outside, it starts to get colder, and the bugs
Speaker 1: start to come out and they want to buy and
Speaker 1: you know, the mood just it's at one point because
Speaker 1: it's it's cold, and it's dark, and everyone's and we're
Speaker 1: filming in a graveyard and it's weird. You know, I think.
Speaker 1: Wasn't this also the episode that we all spent so
Speaker 1: much time in the pandavan trying to keep warm, and
Speaker 1: the fumes started to get to the fumes. That's right,
Speaker 1: that is so I do remember that. So the Panda Van,
Speaker 1: as as cool as it was to see on screen,
Speaker 1: it had some leaks. Boy, had some leaks. It's not
Speaker 1: a big deal, but it smelled like gas. It smelled
Speaker 1: straight up like petrol in that car, and if you
Speaker 1: sat in it for too long you started to get
Speaker 1: a little loopy. We got the giggles. We got the giggles,
Speaker 1: which we were all, you know, accidentally high, which is
Speaker 1: not ideal. Cat Again, this being your fora why didn't
Speaker 1: you tell us a little about some of the important
Speaker 1: book to screen movements. Yeah, So as we dive in,
Speaker 1: there's there's only a few differences. As we have discussed.
Speaker 1: We get to talk about Parabatie this episode, which is fantastic.
Speaker 1: Also one of our biggest locations and something that really
Speaker 1: comes in in the book is the Hotel de More,
Speaker 1: which it tends to be the central vampire layer in
Speaker 1: New York City, which is an old hotel that's under construction,
Speaker 1: and it's not only is it a vampire layer, but
Speaker 1: we discovered that the vampires are hedonists but also have
Speaker 1: a proclivity for stealing ancient artifacts and artwork and other
Speaker 1: is it stealing if you rob your own grave. That's
Speaker 1: this is a whole thing, right, Stealing, collecting, attributing, gathering, acquiring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the sort of the inevitables of eternal life
Speaker 1: as you are going to hoard. And I think it's
Speaker 1: whether you hold something that's valuable or whether you hold
Speaker 1: something that's not valuable, and they do tend to I
Speaker 1: think in most iterations of the vampire story there are
Speaker 1: these sort of arc ach antiques that live within their
Speaker 1: world because and this is another thing that's very cool
Speaker 1: is especially with things like vampires, is we get to
Speaker 1: take on like the last possible version of a story
Speaker 1: that's existed for you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 1: of years, and we try and stick to some of
Speaker 1: that law, or we poke fun at previous law, or
Speaker 1: we create our new law or whatever it is. But
Speaker 1: as a general rule, the story sort of stays the same.
Speaker 1: So you know bran Brand Stoker's Dracula lived in this
Speaker 1: gorgeous castle in Transylvania, but had collected all of these
Speaker 1: sort of a kuchrama over the course of you know,
Speaker 1: the hundreds and hundreds of years that he's been alive,
Speaker 1: and we we still have that law in our show.
Speaker 1: Those vampires still do that same thing, which I think
Speaker 1: is for me. That was something that was really cool
Speaker 1: about working on a show like this is it is modern,
Speaker 1: and you know, we've got new tech and we've got
Speaker 1: these swords and jackets and you know, all of this
Speaker 1: new stuff. But also we're and we do talk about
Speaker 1: a lot. It's a war that's been being fought. Since
Speaker 1: we have a date for it. What is it looking
Speaker 1: better in black than the widows of our animal? Since
Speaker 1: I think it's twelve thirty four, twelve thirty four, I
Speaker 1: was off by quite a way, by quite a way,
Speaker 1: by about six years, It's okay. Twelve thirty four should
Speaker 1: have been an easy one to remember as well. One
Speaker 1: it's one to three four is what it is. That's
Speaker 1: an easy day. Do you want to try and connect
Speaker 1: your headphones? Sweets? Now? Are you sure, all right? Deck
Speaker 1: is over there. Um. Also, as we dive in, we
Speaker 1: get to see a little bit more about Clarie and
Speaker 1: Simon's relationship, and you know, Clari's losing all of her
Speaker 1: people and she's lost Simon. She has lost her mom
Speaker 1: at this point, and in essence, she's lost Luke. And
Speaker 1: we start to learn about some of the Clave rules
Speaker 1: as they you know, figure out how to get Simon back.
Speaker 1: And I feel as though we always had this discussion
Speaker 1: of how this particular shadow Hunter team of Isy, Jason, Alec, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably tend to be the more rambunctious of the shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters because all the rest of the shadow Hunters tend
Speaker 1: to seem to really follow the rules and do their
Speaker 1: job and clean up our mess that we create. We
Speaker 1: used to talk about that a lot, didn't we. Like
Speaker 1: towards the end of season two, we'd be talking to
Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, the background performers are also
Speaker 1: known as extras or supporting artists sort of depending on
Speaker 1: where you're from and what you're used to, and we
Speaker 1: would talk to them and we were like, you know
Speaker 1: what we can add in here is you guys can
Speaker 1: be pissed at us because we're just constantly going out
Speaker 1: and breaking the rules, and you guys follow the rules,
Speaker 1: and they're just like this fucking team. These guys are
Speaker 1: the worst. That's so they're just constantly causing everyone trouble.
Speaker 1: Like every time there's a problem, it's always jays Alakan
Speaker 1: is he always, always, always, And then with the addition
Speaker 1: of Clary's jazzy and Clary, it's we're just you know,
Speaker 1: we're that sort of irritating group at school and nine
Speaker 1: times out of tend it just happens to work out
Speaker 1: for us, but not not necessarily virtue of us doing
Speaker 1: what we're supposed to do, more by virtue of us
Speaker 1: falling and landing on our feet exactly, were by virtue
Speaker 1: of oh, this accidentally just happened and fell into ours
Speaker 1: and it's wonderful. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know, I
Speaker 1: feel as though, as as the team becomes more cohesive
Speaker 1: a little bit, we gained some skills, I think, so
Speaker 1: we learned some things. We do learn some things, and
Speaker 1: we learn how to sort of work with each other
Speaker 1: a little more. And the and you know, again it's
Speaker 1: that same thing that you were talking about earlier, is
Speaker 1: we're still sort of finding our feet within the show
Speaker 1: at this point as well, So you know, later on
Speaker 1: when we really do delve into what this you know,
Speaker 1: parabitie relationship is, for example, then we get to rely
Speaker 1: on that more is like, this is what our law is.
Speaker 1: This we've set up sort of the ground base, and
Speaker 1: then you know, it's not really until it's actually my
Speaker 1: favorite episode that for me as a performer that I've
Speaker 1: ever been in this episode two, Season two, episode three,
Speaker 1: with that whole thing that happens, which obviously we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about later on further down line with the podcast,
Speaker 1: but that was one of my favorite episodes because that
Speaker 1: was that was a Parabti episode. Actually think it was
Speaker 1: cooled Parabti. It was Parabtie last Yeah, parabit I lost, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was that was the first time that we
Speaker 1: got to like, great, let's hone in on what these
Speaker 1: things are, and I wonder if the audience, you know,
Speaker 1: let us know if if this these are things that
Speaker 1: you sort of saw and noticed throughout watching the show
Speaker 1: is we did get to kind of fine tune things.
Speaker 1: So season one was very like we're going to introduce
Speaker 1: the vampires and we're going to set up sort of
Speaker 1: the bedrock of law. This is sort of the rough
Speaker 1: things that we're going to follow, and then we introduced
Speaker 1: Simon into the world and he gets to sort of
Speaker 1: explore that is more drastically, and you get to explore
Speaker 1: being a shadow hunter is sort of from the ground up,
Speaker 1: you know, and we get to do that more and
Speaker 1: more as the seasons went on, which was which I
Speaker 1: think is one of the beautiful things about doing a show.
Speaker 1: You know, if we'd have ended at season one, which
Speaker 1: you know, we will talk about that later on, but
Speaker 1: there's so much that we wouldn't have been able to explore,
Speaker 1: which would have been a shame. And we didn't know.
Speaker 1: We didn't know for like six months and soft filming
Speaker 1: season one if we were coming back for two. We
Speaker 1: had no idea. It's a really long time. It was
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, we had a long wait. Speaking
Speaker 1: of lore and the show and anything else. Something else
Speaker 1: I think is interesting about this episode is the parallel
Speaker 1: because we do explore Parabi for the first time, but
Speaker 1: we also explore Simon and Clary's friendship, which there are
Speaker 1: a lot of parallels between the two, and you know,
Speaker 1: if it's one very specific one for sure, well indeed,
Speaker 1: but as we dive in, we get to see another
Speaker 1: aspect of the lore, which I realized now in season
Speaker 1: one was such a huge deal, but we had so
Speaker 1: many big deal things since then. The Mortal Cup was
Speaker 1: such a huge part of season one, and it is
Speaker 1: everyone wanted the Mortal Cup and it was this literal
Speaker 1: holy grail of swords and Clary was the key. So
Speaker 1: people kept, you know, taking people that Clary loved or
Speaker 1: threatening elements of Clary's life and she didn't even know
Speaker 1: where the Cup was for the longest time until episode six,
Speaker 1: I believe. But we'll get into that later. But foreshadowing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to do a whole bunch of foreshadowing because
Speaker 1: we're not very good at staying on topics. No we're not.
Speaker 1: But okay, back on top Let's see first is how
Speaker 1: to get Simon back. So we're navigating the shadow world.
Speaker 1: We're learning about vampires. This is our vampire episode in
Speaker 1: a sense. And as we're learning about vampires, we cut
Speaker 1: back and forth to the Vampire Lare itself and the hotel.
Speaker 1: The more and we get to see, but we also
Speaker 1: learn about Oh, this is one of my favorite elements
Speaker 1: of the Mortal instruments. World in general is the sort
Speaker 1: of spectrum that Cassie Claire has set up of the
Speaker 1: mythological creatures that this in our world. And this is
Speaker 1: something that's so unique to this universe is that all
Speaker 1: creatures and all beings exist on a scale from angel
Speaker 1: to human to demon, and every aspect and every creature
Speaker 1: is sort of a different combination thereof. So humans are human,
Speaker 1: angels are angels, demons or demons, but then in between
Speaker 1: you have shadow Hunters, which are half angel half human.
Speaker 1: You have seas which are half angel half demon. You
Speaker 1: have werewolves and vampires, which are humans with a demon disease.
Speaker 1: And so as you go through every kind of creature
Speaker 1: that you encounter across all of it has different elements
Speaker 1: of these and that plays so much into our story
Speaker 1: as we move forward in the different ways in which
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters navigate and deal with and handle being sort
Speaker 1: of the demon police as it were, of this world
Speaker 1: totally totally. And then you're right, and then later on
Speaker 1: we get to deal with the sort of racial hierarchy
Speaker 1: that lives within our world, and we touched on it
Speaker 1: sort of briefly in this episode with with the introduction
Speaker 1: of Melion, who will get his own proper introduction in
Speaker 1: a second, but he does briefly mention you know that
Speaker 1: the Shadow Answers don't respect the sea leaves as much
Speaker 1: as they should be respected. They sort of used more
Speaker 1: as like a tool within within the Shadow on to
Speaker 1: world until later on. Because each one of these creatures
Speaker 1: and and elements and combinations thereof, and warlocks as well,
Speaker 1: which I forgot to mention, which are half human half demon.
Speaker 1: It all manifests itself in in different ways in their
Speaker 1: kind of physicality and their abilities, and the different physical
Speaker 1: and magical expressions of the different combinations of blood, which
Speaker 1: is part of what plays into Valentine's experiments as well,
Speaker 1: as he's trying to create the perfect soldier, the perfect
Speaker 1: shadow hunter, the perfect weapon, and certain things you just
Speaker 1: don't mess with in the world of magic, yeah, or
Speaker 1: the world of Blood. So, since we touched on it,
Speaker 1: and it's sort of getting off our chronology here a little,
Speaker 1: but since we mentioned it, let's introduce, which is very
Speaker 1: exciting to me, the wonderful Mellion number one Seeley, who
Speaker 1: has played by the incomparable Jade, who was one of
Speaker 1: our sort of very first Jade and David one of
Speaker 1: our very first guest stars who became very much a
Speaker 1: part of our family. They were a part of the
Speaker 1: group and still have been. A lot of people who
Speaker 1: listened to this podcast have seen, you know, us with
Speaker 1: Jade at the conventions and traveling around Europe and this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. And Jade became a part of
Speaker 1: the furniture very quickly, which which was really beautiful. It was,
Speaker 1: and he was also I mean, he's just such a
Speaker 1: beautiful soul and a wonderful person. But also he was
Speaker 1: sort of our tour guide around Toronto for a lot
Speaker 1: of it as well. You know, he showed us all
Speaker 1: the fun spots and gave us lots of things to do,
Speaker 1: and took us to music things and art shows and
Speaker 1: you know, all of these things that he does being
Speaker 1: a part of the local kind of artistic community in Toronto,
Speaker 1: he welcomed us into that and then I think made
Speaker 1: us feel so at home and gave us more of
Speaker 1: a community really in a place that we were living
Speaker 1: that none of us knew anything about. Totally, totally, totally.
Speaker 1: I do have to say the first time I met
Speaker 1: Jade was just so indicative of who he is and
Speaker 1: how wonderful he is as a human, and how committed
Speaker 1: and dedicated he was to this character and to creating
Speaker 1: it to the best of his ability. As you know,
Speaker 1: when we're making the show, we're running around the studio
Speaker 1: like chickens with our heads cut off and running from
Speaker 1: place to place and kind of between fittings and stunt
Speaker 1: rehearsals and different scenes and whatever administrative stuff we need
Speaker 1: to do. And I remember I was racing from I
Speaker 1: think a fitting back to set and I walked by
Speaker 1: and there's this guy sitting at one of the tables
Speaker 1: reading City of Bones. I think he was even in
Speaker 1: his armor that they had just tried on him of
Speaker 1: the first time. And I looked at this guy and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my gosh, that looks like Melliorn.
Speaker 1: And he looks up and he goes clary. He's like
Speaker 1: a cat. I'm so sorry. Hi. We just had this
Speaker 1: moment where I saw each other first as our characters
Speaker 1: and then instantly fell in love with how much we
Speaker 1: both suited. You know, this thing, this image that we
Speaker 1: had in our heads from the book of these characters,
Speaker 1: and then instantly just his effusive warmth envelopes you. Yea yeah,
Speaker 1: it does. Jade is this is this sort of wonderful,
Speaker 1: like very sort of silly in his own right. He's
Speaker 1: just this wonderful, sort of ethereal creature who's entirely unapologetically himself,
Speaker 1: not that he would ever need to apologize for it,
Speaker 1: because he's just the loveliest human being alive. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he just sort of exists in his own like branch
Speaker 1: of the world. And I love that about him. It's
Speaker 1: my favorite thing about Jade is he just is. He
Speaker 1: just did He just does him. He just is Jade,
Speaker 1: which is really wonderful. Absolutely, and he has suched this
Speaker 1: wonderful way about him that and I've seen him do
Speaker 1: this at Carma cons and with you know, each one
Speaker 1: of us as well. He has this ability to just
Speaker 1: be so encouraging and so loving to every person he meets,
Speaker 1: even if he's just meeting someone for the first time.
Speaker 1: Is he is very good at making you feel like
Speaker 1: you're the only person in the world and that just
Speaker 1: for that little brief moment that he the only thing
Speaker 1: that matters is your connection in that in whatever it
Speaker 1: is that you're talking about, and he remembers it. He
Speaker 1: remembers it in stores, and I've seen the same thing
Speaker 1: where he does, you know, interactions with fans all over
Speaker 1: the world, and he remembers everyone and every conversation he's
Speaker 1: ever had with them, which I wish I could say
Speaker 1: that about myself. I do my best, but there are
Speaker 1: times where I'm like, you know, this is it's done
Speaker 1: four conventions in three days, and I'm like losing my mind.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's what, but Jade knows. Everything is
Speaker 1: like a rollerdex of like, oh I remember you, this
Speaker 1: is you had this issue and like how's your brother?
Speaker 1: And what I'm like, that's insane. He has such a
Speaker 1: huge heart and such a wonderful presence and is just,
Speaker 1: as you said, ethereal and kind of timeless in a
Speaker 1: way that Selee's are. So he's just he just is Melane.
Speaker 1: Moving on from that, so our Jade love Fest, a
Speaker 1: Jade LoveFest, we get to this cool thing, which we
Speaker 1: haven't really done before in the show. This is sort
Speaker 1: of the first time that we see it where we're
Speaker 1: in the institudent. We briefly we're talking about this earlier.
Speaker 1: We're like, what are we going to do? This is
Speaker 1: our plan? Blah blah blah, and we're sort of having
Speaker 1: our round table moment and you get to see the
Speaker 1: interactions between Izzy and Jason Alec and it the way
Speaker 1: it was written, I really like because it's this is
Speaker 1: just normal conversation for us. This is just like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the vampires and we're like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: that's Camille's outfit, right, there's local guys. They're just down
Speaker 1: the street. Like it's we know these things, like it's
Speaker 1: just normal, Like you know, we have our little like
Speaker 1: our Yellow Pages version of like, yeah, it's the hole,
Speaker 1: tell them what we know where this is. It's not
Speaker 1: a big deal, or like what about the Seelies And
Speaker 1: we're like, we know the Seelies in and out and up,
Speaker 1: like oh, the Seilies are the anything with half angel,
Speaker 1: half demon, it's the Elves, fairies, Nixxies, pixies, like it's
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just this normal conversation for us.
Speaker 1: And that's something that I thought was really cool because
Speaker 1: we we got to explore it via Clary and we
Speaker 1: got to tell the audience via Clary. But for the
Speaker 1: three of us, this is just this is just our lives.
Speaker 1: This is normal, Like, oh, that's Bob he's the postman.
Speaker 1: He comes every Wednesday and Saturday, like it's that natural,
Speaker 1: like you know, oh, it's the fairies or it's the seilies,
Speaker 1: or it's the vampires, like it's it's just our life.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was really cool, and I remember
Speaker 1: really liking how that was written because it was a
Speaker 1: very natural, like sibling conversation between the three of us there.
Speaker 1: And also during that that one little section um where
Speaker 1: we're around the able, we get one first little foreshadowing
Speaker 1: glimpse into who Alec is repressing and who he is
Speaker 1: forced to repress within himself, and it's actually is he
Speaker 1: who who brings it up? Doesn't Alex say something like, oh,
Speaker 1: we all have our apparently Selee's have their thing or
Speaker 1: whatever you like Seelee's and they're sort of teasing each
Speaker 1: other and she says, well, we all have our things,
Speaker 1: don't we. And it's that first at all moment where
Speaker 1: we're like, huh, who is Alex? Who? What's Alex thing?
Speaker 1: We don't know what Alex thing is? Really like, it's
Speaker 1: you know, we know he's a shadow answer, we know
Speaker 1: he's talented, we know he's caring and loving and obviously
Speaker 1: very handsome, but what is this thing that's being hidden?
Speaker 1: And more importantly, maybe most importantly, why why does he
Speaker 1: feel like this part of him needs to be hidden?
Speaker 1: Food for thought for later on. We're planting the seeds.
Speaker 1: We're planting the seeds, but there's a whole episode that
Speaker 1: happens later on, but this is the first time that
Speaker 1: we get to see that, like, huh, what was that?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Absolutely, and now everyone has their
Speaker 1: marching orders and off we go on mission is. He
Speaker 1: goes to talk to Meliorn. And one of my favorite
Speaker 1: scenes that we got to do in this first season
Speaker 1: was us in the graveyard, you, Me and Matt, because
Speaker 1: I think it was sort of the first time that
Speaker 1: we got to have that triangle really play out in
Speaker 1: a very interesting way. You know, the Clarie and Alec
Speaker 1: go ahead to head putting Jace in the middle of going, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to manage both of these personalities, and I
Speaker 1: care about both of these people, and they're both right
Speaker 1: in a way, so how do we sort this out?
Speaker 1: But also we get to bring in another book element,
Speaker 1: which is the fact that shadow Hunters store weapons in
Speaker 1: churches and graveyards and crypts because they're all over the
Speaker 1: world and if you need to find a demon, I
Speaker 1: need to store the angelic tools on consecrated ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have your little cash somewhere where you know it's
Speaker 1: going to be safe. This is an interesting one as
Speaker 1: well because we had a couple of lines in the
Speaker 1: beginning of how shadow unders make money or how they've
Speaker 1: survived in a world that exists, you know, entirely unaware
Speaker 1: that that they are a part of it. And we
Speaker 1: had lines early on and I can't remember why they disappeared,
Speaker 1: but we had these lines that I thought were so
Speaker 1: cool of like, well, how does shadow unders make their money?
Speaker 1: Like how do you look at all this tech? Like
Speaker 1: how does this happen? You're like, well, the head of X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z bankers a shadow hunter and they you know,
Speaker 1: you look at a photo or a painting of them,
Speaker 1: and you can see like a tiny little bit of
Speaker 1: ruins sticking up from you know, the guy who founded
Speaker 1: Chase Morgan Bank or whatever it was, you know, and
Speaker 1: these cool little things. And this was that this was
Speaker 1: our what we ended up doing our sort of fora
Speaker 1: into Like we used to work with the churches because
Speaker 1: all churches or religions recognized demons and angels and a
Speaker 1: version of heaven and a version of hell and whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And we used to work with them, and
Speaker 1: over the years they forgot about it because we're good
Speaker 1: at what we do, and they just stopped encountering demons
Speaker 1: as like a regular thing. Which is why this is
Speaker 1: becoming such a big deal that the demons are resurfacing,
Speaker 1: because you know, it means we have to do our
Speaker 1: job better we do. Indeed, I also think, correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. I think the chest that we pull
Speaker 1: out of the grave, there is another one that was
Speaker 1: used in the movie. I think that's another prop that
Speaker 1: was used in the movie. You're right, it was because
Speaker 1: we were still using the swords and the other kind
Speaker 1: of weapons and they had that. They actually used that
Speaker 1: same crypt for this the parallel scene in the film.
Speaker 1: But I believe in the film it was in set
Speaker 1: in the floor of an actual church as opposed to
Speaker 1: being a freestanding kind of grave in the middle of
Speaker 1: the graveyard. Remember this graveyard, by the way. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but the ground was very soft
Speaker 1: and you thankfully we're in lovely steel toad combat boots.
Speaker 1: I was still in eight inch Isabel stilettos, and what
Speaker 1: that led to was me basically aer rating the graveyard
Speaker 1: as as I walked through and poking holes, which would
Speaker 1: have been fine, generally speaking, until I looked closer and
Speaker 1: saw that a lot of the graves were from, you know,
Speaker 1: the seventeen eighties, in which case I'm pretty sure the
Speaker 1: soil has circulated and race surfaced at this point. So
Speaker 1: I spent most of the evening apologizing to those folks
Speaker 1: on whose graves I was not gracefully stepping. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny, isn't it, because we and again we'll talk
Speaker 1: about this later on, but we had an issue. We
Speaker 1: had the reverse issue with the tension of the surface
Speaker 1: of the ground at that graveyard later on in season two,
Speaker 1: late season two, Yeah, absolute reverse issue. I don't remember
Speaker 1: it was it was season three, because oh right, that's
Speaker 1: it was season three. It was cold, and some swords suffered,
Speaker 1: That's all I can say. But we'll talk suffer or
Speaker 1: did we suffer? A sword suffered? Do you remember when
Speaker 1: he when he had to stab it into the ground
Speaker 1: and it's sort of accordioned. You remember that that was
Speaker 1: the same graveyards. We're just in a different corner of
Speaker 1: the graveyards. But again we will talk about that later on.
Speaker 1: There's so much We're gonna keep saying this. There's so
Speaker 1: much to keep coming back for everyone, and that's why
Speaker 1: we're here. But also you know, as as when it
Speaker 1: comes to things to come back for we have our
Speaker 1: first glimpse, maybe not our first glimpse, but our next
Speaker 1: glimpse at the next place moment that it is from
Speaker 1: the book as well, but it's you as as Jason's
Speaker 1: being clarionto this world and teaching her how to be
Speaker 1: a shadow hunter and teaching her how to trust her instincts.
Speaker 1: They're connecting on a lot of levels, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's these situations where you end up relying on
Speaker 1: a person and you get very close and and vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Now with Jason Clary, we know that leads to a
Speaker 1: lot of chemistry and teaching her how to weld the
Speaker 1: sword is the equivalent of like going on a mini
Speaker 1: golf date for these two similar Yeah, what I wanted,
Speaker 1: and I remember talking to Andy about this is what
Speaker 1: I wanted was this sort of and it's difficult to
Speaker 1: do with like a sword and with the positioning that
Speaker 1: they wanted on the on you know, the day of
Speaker 1: the framing with us sort of stacked behind each other.
Speaker 1: But I wanted this sort of like tai Chi moment
Speaker 1: where we're sort of following each other's energy through the
Speaker 1: almost like the cosmos, you know, they're sort of working
Speaker 1: with each other, and the almost could have done it
Speaker 1: with their eyes closed. And it started with touching and
Speaker 1: following where the touching is going, and then that's separated
Speaker 1: into just sort of following the energy of where it
Speaker 1: was going, which led to her doing it on her own,
Speaker 1: which is a large part of how Jay's teaches. Clary
Speaker 1: is knowing that her instincts are going to take over,
Speaker 1: understanding that her in thinks are there, and it's just
Speaker 1: about sort of waking them up. And whether he pushes her,
Speaker 1: you know, hard, or whether he pushes her in in
Speaker 1: more delicate ways is in this scene and just lets
Speaker 1: it sort of take over. This was our first time
Speaker 1: that we get to see Clary be a shadow anter.
Speaker 1: This is that her first like this sword does fit
Speaker 1: in my hand. This sort is an extension of who
Speaker 1: I am, and my instincts are coming from within me.
Speaker 1: They're not It's not a motion that I'm doing with
Speaker 1: my hand. It's I can feel it in my heart
Speaker 1: and I can feel it coming out of my body
Speaker 1: and into this sword and into this weapon. And that's
Speaker 1: what we wanted to sort of show there, which I
Speaker 1: think is cool, and then nicely ended that scene I
Speaker 1: think with actually maybe chuckle. And I was rewatching it
Speaker 1: that like sort of intensely almost sexual moment where we're
Speaker 1: sort of close together and like I'm going to be
Speaker 1: there for you. I will, we will be there for you.
Speaker 1: Is just forget whatever I was saying at least Scarborough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna be there. Oh it's not we we
Speaker 1: the wee. Yeah. Poor to poor Jason not being able
Speaker 1: to express his feelings very well. That's again what is
Speaker 1: such a great thing about Place, And I think why
Speaker 1: their relationship was so beautiful to watch grow because you
Speaker 1: have this kind of teaching back and forth that's happening.
Speaker 1: You know. Jason is teaching Clary to trust her instincts
Speaker 1: in in being a shadow hunter and in her skills
Speaker 1: and and this sort of inherent lineage of being a
Speaker 1: fighter and a soldier and having these powers, whereas Clary
Speaker 1: is teaching Days to trust his instincts when it comes
Speaker 1: to his emotions, and to trust her and to kind
Speaker 1: of be more open and more vulnerable, to to sort
Speaker 1: of go against the shadow Hunter's creed of emotions. Cloud
Speaker 1: judgment and emotions are a hindrance, not a tool, and
Speaker 1: it's it's this sort of combination of the two that
Speaker 1: ultimately makes them both more powerful in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: Exactly right. So moving on from our wonderful graveyard scene. Um,
Speaker 1: we'll actually briefly whilst we're there, because we did touch
Speaker 1: on this earlier and I said we would come back
Speaker 1: to it when we're in the scene. But this is
Speaker 1: the moment if you're rewatching with us, this is the
Speaker 1: moment where you can see for the first time Jason
Speaker 1: alec is about to leave. Jay says something along the
Speaker 1: lines of like, do you see what you need here?
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I need a bow. By the way,
Speaker 1: first time we see Alex bow is in this episode
Speaker 1: as well, Alex signature bow, which is exciting, but he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't have a bow. I need some rrows. I've
Speaker 1: got a ruined Tomorrows And he's like okay. He goes
Speaker 1: and it takes two steps away and just does a
Speaker 1: little and it's the first time that we see that
Speaker 1: these two not only our best friends, but there is
Speaker 1: this this ethereal supernatural relationship that they have that they
Speaker 1: actually feel when each other feels, They sense when each
Speaker 1: other feel and we get to talk about him more
Speaker 1: and more late, more and more later on as the
Speaker 1: seasons go on, But this is the first moment where
Speaker 1: you get to see the two of them together. It's
Speaker 1: more than just like I know you're upset and I'm
Speaker 1: going to apologize. It's like I can feel that you're
Speaker 1: upset and it happens to us together, which is really cool,
Speaker 1: the first moment for us to get to explore and
Speaker 1: in the same way that there's a vulnerability with Clary
Speaker 1: and there's a vulnerability where you are kind of you,
Speaker 1: we're both using our instincts in that sense, you really
Speaker 1: see how honed that relationship is and how you both
Speaker 1: trust each other's instincts and judgment. And just whereas you
Speaker 1: see Clary and Jay's kind of discovering, you see Alec
Speaker 1: and Jay's just knowing in the same way that Clarie
Speaker 1: and Simon know how the other person feels and can
Speaker 1: almost predict and finish each other's sentences, and it's like
Speaker 1: you said, it's it's really lovely to see both sides
Speaker 1: of those relationships. We leave the graveyard, we are armed
Speaker 1: up to the teeth with our vampire killing accessories, and
Speaker 1: this takes us to I believe the Vampire bar, you
Speaker 1: and I at least when we go straight to the
Speaker 1: vampire bar. From here, we're waiting for Alec to come
Speaker 1: meet us. Correct. The first fun thing about this vampire
Speaker 1: bar is this is another one of our sort of
Speaker 1: unilaterally multi used sets that ended up being any number
Speaker 1: of things. It is in the far corner of our studio.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because we know, you know, we know because
Speaker 1: we see it. We were there. So when the bike
Speaker 1: exits that room that is that is the basically the
Speaker 1: back sort of parking lot of our studio. You know,
Speaker 1: we cleared out the cars. This is clue parking. This
Speaker 1: is where the crew would come in and park their
Speaker 1: cars at the beginning of the day. We cleared those
Speaker 1: out and obviously used it as part of our as
Speaker 1: our set. Also, a family of raccoons lived back there
Speaker 1: for most of the time. Remember remembering those big towers
Speaker 1: climbing up They were all in a little roll like
Speaker 1: little ducklings, Carling. I have a video of it somewhere,
Speaker 1: but it's not very good. It was the other thing
Speaker 1: as well, you know, I'm thinking about that. You go
Speaker 1: back through behind the scenes photos and you notice the
Speaker 1: difference in quality of cell phones, the cameras on my
Speaker 1: cell phone. The difference in quality in just six years
Speaker 1: has come on like leaps and bounds. So congratulations, Apple,
Speaker 1: Now give me a new phone. Apple. I think we
Speaker 1: noticed it in particular because a lot of our sets
Speaker 1: and locations were quite dark, and the low light photography
Speaker 1: and photeography capabilities were vastly different. In twenty season one,
Speaker 1: we have to explain a lot more of what's happening
Speaker 1: in the photo, and later on towards the end of
Speaker 1: season three, it's more obvious in the photo because the
Speaker 1: camera's got better, exactly so that Empires can see a
Speaker 1: little more of the sort of dark underbelly of the
Speaker 1: vampire world. We're not in the hotel demot we're not
Speaker 1: in a clan sort of headquarters, this like beautiful safe place.
Speaker 1: We're in this place that is dark and dingy and dangerous,
Speaker 1: you know, almost like a trap for human beings were
Speaker 1: in this place. That is scary. It's a scary place
Speaker 1: to be. It's, as you said, the dark underbelly. It's luring,
Speaker 1: luring humans. It's the sort of thing that shadow hunters
Speaker 1: try and prevent against, or at least put rules in
Speaker 1: place that have a guise of controlling it, whether or
Speaker 1: not they actually are exactly. And you can speak to
Speaker 1: this a little more. Another fun element of watching Clary
Speaker 1: hone her instincts, watching her ability to to become more
Speaker 1: of the shadow hunter that she's going to be in
Speaker 1: the future. So you can tell us a little more
Speaker 1: about that. With the seeing through, is it a glamor,
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a glamor seeing through like the layers
Speaker 1: of reality, the incanto? Yeah, so what we Something else
Speaker 1: we discover about the vampires in this episode is they
Speaker 1: have this ability called incanto, which is sort of a
Speaker 1: hypnosis of and humans are affected by it. Shadow Hunters
Speaker 1: have runes that prevent against it, but Clary, being new,
Speaker 1: doesn't really have that capability as yet, and we see
Speaker 1: her do her best at distracting and dealing with a
Speaker 1: a vampire as it were. We discovered that we need
Speaker 1: to get to Hotel to more and the only way
Speaker 1: to do that is by flying motorcycle, because that's how
Speaker 1: vampires travel. So what do we do? We decided to
Speaker 1: steal a flying motorcycle because that's of course the logical
Speaker 1: chain of events, like what would you do? Obviously, that's
Speaker 1: that's just what happens. Yeah, Jas goes, hey, why don't
Speaker 1: you go go talk to that vampire over there? And
Speaker 1: of course Clary gets incanted because she doesn't know what
Speaker 1: she's doing, and Jay still ends up able to you know,
Speaker 1: kick some butt, steal the keys, and off we go,
Speaker 1: which this, I think for you and I was one
Speaker 1: of our very first encounters with sort of the grandiose
Speaker 1: nature of what the kind of c g I powers
Speaker 1: of this world could be, This sort of combining the
Speaker 1: practical effects with the c g I because we were
Speaker 1: on a massive green screen and yet we still had
Speaker 1: to be on this motorcycle. And I actually I had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun in this scene. I did too.
Speaker 1: We were on wires as well. Do you remember the
Speaker 1: bike was was in the air, they elevated the bike.
Speaker 1: There's there is a photo of us somewhere around. I
Speaker 1: think I have a video of it. You have the gimball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when this episode, Yeah, when this episode airs, we should
Speaker 1: post some some behind the scenes of this because this
Speaker 1: was a really cool rig, a really really cool rig
Speaker 1: that we got to play with. And they also had
Speaker 1: something that I always find on sets to be um.
Speaker 1: I get a kick out of it. I think it's
Speaker 1: very amusing. Is when they need light to flash by
Speaker 1: quickly as though cars are passing by, they sort of
Speaker 1: have the helicopter lins, the helicopter lights where they put
Speaker 1: two lights on a spinning stand. They call them see stands,
Speaker 1: So the giant metal stands that hold you know downb
Speaker 1: but the giant metal sticks like a heavy tripod, kind
Speaker 1: of like a big heavy tripod um and then they
Speaker 1: put perpendicular on top that spins and the effect is
Speaker 1: the light because of the you know, the light spin
Speaker 1: like helicopter blades on the ends of these perpendicular poles,
Speaker 1: and the effect is the light coming on and off
Speaker 1: of your face and on and off of your face,
Speaker 1: which is very clever, and it's, you know, one of
Speaker 1: those cool behind the scenes tricks. I wonder who thought
Speaker 1: of it first, that this was the because you know,
Speaker 1: these tricks were most of them sort of came out
Speaker 1: of the nineteen twenties when c g I wasn't a thing,
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, hey, I have a flashlight.
Speaker 1: I could just do this exactly, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like there's you know these like cool cinema tricks that
Speaker 1: they just never got improved on because they were never
Speaker 1: needed to be improved on, so they just still exist.
Speaker 1: This is our standard, Like great, let's get the helicopter
Speaker 1: lights up and let's make this thing. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think made that scene so effective is because we
Speaker 1: did combine the practical and the c g I. You have,
Speaker 1: you know, this flying motorcycle going up in the air,
Speaker 1: but it's it's us on a motorcycle with the helicopter
Speaker 1: life and the fans and everything else. And I think
Speaker 1: it it changed our performance as well that we actually
Speaker 1: got to do this practically in some sense, totally totally, totally, totally.
Speaker 1: So then we land on the roof. It's like one mind,
Speaker 1: you're already on it. And this scene, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know this dumb, this scene with Jason Clary
Speaker 1: on the roof of hotel to More. The dialogue is
Speaker 1: taken almost directly from the book Interesting I did not
Speaker 1: know that this whole conversation that they have, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it was altered a bit for the show, but
Speaker 1: they Jason Clary do have a conversation about the fact
Speaker 1: that Jason has never been in love and the fact
Speaker 1: that emotions cloud judgment and all of these things that
Speaker 1: become such major themes in our show moving forward. But
Speaker 1: it also is the first time that I think Clara
Speaker 1: gets a glimpse at the way Jason thinks and why
Speaker 1: he is the work he is, and why he is
Speaker 1: so closed off to emotion in some sense. You know,
Speaker 1: there's an interesting thing with this that I was when
Speaker 1: I was watching it in relation to that love conversation,
Speaker 1: which I think is interesting Jason never having experienced anything
Speaker 1: like that at all, a romantic love, because he, you know,
Speaker 1: in reality, understands exactly what love is. He loves Alec,
Speaker 1: he loves his he, he loves his fellow Shadow, and
Speaker 1: as he loves Mars, he loves you know, all of
Speaker 1: these people around him. He just hasn't experience necessarily a
Speaker 1: romantic love before. But what's interesting is, and I was
Speaker 1: talking to my girlfriend about this recently, is you or
Speaker 1: at least from my point of view. I have felt
Speaker 1: like I was in love before and I felt that
Speaker 1: this is this is it, this is the be all
Speaker 1: and end all. But then every time I meet someone new,
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, that relationship ended, and then
Speaker 1: it moves on. You know, you evolved and you grow
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, actually, this is what love feels like.
Speaker 1: This is that previous thing was nice and I enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: but this it wasn't. I didn't I don't feel the
Speaker 1: way I feel now, and now it's sort of elevated.
Speaker 1: And the same with Decca. Now this is the most
Speaker 1: in love I've ever felt in my entire life, and
Speaker 1: it sort of made me feel like I wonder if
Speaker 1: that previous thing was actually love or if it was
Speaker 1: more if the if love is sort of more of
Speaker 1: a spectrum where you're it's a certain percentage lust and
Speaker 1: a certain percentage love or a certain percentage connection whatever.
Speaker 1: And then the you know, the more you find your person,
Speaker 1: you know your your soul mate, the romanticized version of
Speaker 1: what a soul mate is. I always this is one
Speaker 1: of the things that I directly related to with Jace,
Speaker 1: where it's sort of felt a bit like I've never
Speaker 1: been in love, and I'm not really in any rush
Speaker 1: to sort of chase that because I feel like when
Speaker 1: it when it arrives, then I'm just going to know
Speaker 1: it's I'm going to feel it in my heart that like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what love is and this is awesome. And
Speaker 1: that's how he feels with Clary. I think a big
Speaker 1: part of why they get so close so quickly is
Speaker 1: because of this connection that they feel with each other,
Speaker 1: because they're sort of magnetically drawn to each other anyway
Speaker 1: stopping moment over No, But I it's actually interesting that
Speaker 1: you bring that up because I agree with you completely.
Speaker 1: I think as you go through phases of life, you
Speaker 1: learn with every relationship and with every person you meet
Speaker 1: and every kind of love you experience, your understanding of
Speaker 1: love change is also where you are as a human
Speaker 1: changes how what love means to you at that at
Speaker 1: that moment in time. You know, when you're fifteen, it's
Speaker 1: entirely different than when you're twenty five, and it's ardly
Speaker 1: to hard when you're thirty five and moving forward. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting mythologically that you bring this up because I
Speaker 1: don't know if you recall this, but in the lore
Speaker 1: of this world, and the shadow World shadow Hunters only
Speaker 1: fall in love once and they have one great love
Speaker 1: of their life, and that is it. And that's why
Speaker 1: you know, you can have a parabatae, which is it's
Speaker 1: it's a metaphysical emotional connection that is supposed to be
Speaker 1: and required to be non romantic because the shadow Hunters
Speaker 1: love is so great and it is so when shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters find there one person, yeah, it's for life, it's
Speaker 1: for life, and that is I think what probably is is,
Speaker 1: you know, Clary doesn't know this yet, but I think
Speaker 1: it's what's jarring to Alec and maybe even to Jason
Speaker 1: some level, that Jace does have such connection with Clary,
Speaker 1: because if that is, that's a huge threat to not
Speaker 1: only the parabatic relationship, but also to Jace's position at
Speaker 1: the Institute and his job and if she's Valentine's daughter,
Speaker 1: because they don't they still don't know a hundred percent
Speaker 1: if Clary is on the up and up one percent.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting if jas is one true love happens
Speaker 1: to be the face of pure evil, of evil, yeah,
Speaker 1: the yeah, the seedling of evil for sure. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this, but this is the
Speaker 1: one and only time that we used a practical light
Speaker 1: up stella after the bikes, when we've landed on the roof,
Speaker 1: we had do you remember this? They had one with
Speaker 1: a with a wire attached to the physical stella, which
Speaker 1: was attached to a battery pack which was in my
Speaker 1: other pockets. So it went from this pocket down here,
Speaker 1: through my jacket around my back and then down my
Speaker 1: sleeve into this stella and I could physically turn on
Speaker 1: the light of the stell a with this hand which
Speaker 1: is hidden behind my back. And if you cut two, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't have the time on this, which is annoying.
Speaker 1: So I don't have the time stamp, but I So
Speaker 1: the idea was that I will light up the stelle,
Speaker 1: I will ruin clary c G, I will take over
Speaker 1: the you know, the burning section on the skin, and
Speaker 1: then I let it go and the cell a d
Speaker 1: lights or you know whatever, and then I put it away.
Speaker 1: The issue with that is if you look very closely
Speaker 1: here and I'm literally looking at the scene, you can
Speaker 1: see the wire. It's hanging out of the back of
Speaker 1: my jacket. Yeah. Pretty obviously there's a black there's like
Speaker 1: a black cable that looks like sort of a headphone
Speaker 1: wire and it's hanging out of my jacket. So right
Speaker 1: as he right as Jays turns around having to be
Speaker 1: done with ruining Clary and puts the Stelle in his
Speaker 1: back pocket, which is where it lived. That wire is
Speaker 1: just there. It's just it's just hanging out. James forgot
Speaker 1: to put his headphones away. You forgot to put his
Speaker 1: headphones away. Also, It's dawning on me right in this
Speaker 1: moment that I think part of the reason why I
Speaker 1: broke so many Stellar's is because I chose to put
Speaker 1: it in my back pocket and I would forget and
Speaker 1: sit on it and it would shutter in my back
Speaker 1: pocket and have that awful moment of like, yeah, well
Speaker 1: that's broken. That is definitely how because I broke a
Speaker 1: couple of Stellar season one as well, that is definitely
Speaker 1: how I broke them. And was so thankful for our
Speaker 1: Holsters in season two because it took care of all
Speaker 1: of that. And maybe that's why they decided to make
Speaker 1: his holsters, because they were sick of us breaking. In
Speaker 1: big part, yeah, I think in big part that was
Speaker 1: part of it. So now listen, now we get to
Speaker 1: the meat of the episode, the exciting part of the episode,
Speaker 1: the action packed conclusion. Here we go rescuing Simon Part two.
Speaker 1: Rescuing Simon Part two. So also, interesting thing about this
Speaker 1: set where we land the motor cycle. This is the
Speaker 1: roof of our studio. Oh yeah, that's right, isn't it.
Speaker 1: This is the roof of our studio, the actual practical roof.
Speaker 1: This is the actual practical roof of our studios. So
Speaker 1: we are three stories up on the top of this, uh,
Speaker 1: this building that we sort of wrecked into. Interestingly, the
Speaker 1: only time we use the roof because we later built
Speaker 1: a roof inside later we built a set inside, you know,
Speaker 1: we did for every other instance. That this was the
Speaker 1: only time we were actually very interesting, I wonder why.
Speaker 1: So Actually, in the background of this of this scene
Speaker 1: with the motorcycle, you can see the towers where the
Speaker 1: raccoons lived, which to there. There are these four towers
Speaker 1: behind us, these sort of cylindrical white towers, which is
Speaker 1: where this family of raccoons lived was in there, and
Speaker 1: at the bottom of those towers is the vampire bar.
Speaker 1: So the bottom corner of the parking lot that's that
Speaker 1: we also used for Magnus is party of the rave
Speaker 1: that we see in the next episode that sort of
Speaker 1: revolving door of sets, that's that's over there behind this,
Speaker 1: So just like a little sort of interesting piece of
Speaker 1: magic of how how TV shows are filmed. You know,
Speaker 1: it's all sort of in the same area, but not
Speaker 1: really in the same area. And I think too in
Speaker 1: this episode we see another part of the sound stage.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that one area where we did our
Speaker 1: first kind of badass slow motion walk through with the
Speaker 1: swords glowing in the dark, and that that was the
Speaker 1: first time we encountered on set where we show up
Speaker 1: and the entire crew is in masks and there's some
Speaker 1: sort of dust floating in the air and we have
Speaker 1: no idea what's going on. We made masks cool before
Speaker 1: twenty just saying shadow they were. They were being used
Speaker 1: a lot by the shadow Ants group for sure, because
Speaker 1: we were up in the attic essentially of this building
Speaker 1: with like there was like the honestly parts of it,
Speaker 1: it looked like it almost looked like tile, and then
Speaker 1: you touched it and your hands would sink an inch
Speaker 1: and a half through this collection of dust, like years
Speaker 1: and years and years worth of dust. So it's pretty
Speaker 1: grim up there. Granted, looked great for atmosphere, and our
Speaker 1: poor crew had to be in there for most of
Speaker 1: the time, so of course they were in has mat
Speaker 1: suits and masks and and while they were setting up
Speaker 1: we got to step away from said dust. But I
Speaker 1: do remember that was one of the first moments that
Speaker 1: it hit me. This sort of it's that moment on
Speaker 1: set where you have to pinch yourself because you feel
Speaker 1: like a little kid playing with swords in the woods
Speaker 1: and playing with your friends, because you go, oh no,
Speaker 1: this is the moment. This is where we do the
Speaker 1: badass slow motion. This is our our team, this is
Speaker 1: our superhero moment. This is our kind of you know,
Speaker 1: the part where the rock music kicks in and the
Speaker 1: mission starts and and here it goes, and uh, you
Speaker 1: know it's it's true for the story as well. It's
Speaker 1: the first time that Clary is officially or unofficially part
Speaker 1: of the team and serving a purpose and kind of
Speaker 1: having at least a small modicum of skills. So, speaking
Speaker 1: of said instincts and skills, we move in. The shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters move in. We have Distraction Team Alpha and then
Speaker 1: Team Place moving in separately and making our way towards
Speaker 1: slowly where Simon is we bump into our handsome friend
Speaker 1: from earlier and this is where no, our handsome friend
Speaker 1: from the biker bar, blue jacket dude. And this is
Speaker 1: the part I've been just dying to talk about. This
Speaker 1: is where I snap my ankle. This is where I
Speaker 1: snapped my ankle and you can see it kind of
Speaker 1: happen if you look real close. I don't think you'll
Speaker 1: see my ankle actually snap, thank god. But there we
Speaker 1: walk into this play and Jace gets blindsided by these
Speaker 1: these two vampires lifted up into the air and then
Speaker 1: slammed down into the ground earlier on, So this is
Speaker 1: this is the full story of how this happened. Earlier on.
Speaker 1: In this day, we were rehearsing a stunt that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be in this cool fight scene where I
Speaker 1: use this cupuera, which is a Brazilian sort of dance
Speaker 1: slash fighting martial art. This cupuerera move where I go
Speaker 1: down on one hand and use my legs to wrap
Speaker 1: around the neck of the vampire and pull him over
Speaker 1: the top and he ends up sort of locked up
Speaker 1: in an armbar. The video of that is on my
Speaker 1: Instagram somewhere of me rehearsing it. Earlier this day, we
Speaker 1: was sort of finalizing it and we made there was
Speaker 1: a mistake that happened, and I ended up taking a
Speaker 1: knee to the face which sort of knocked out half
Speaker 1: of one of my tooth, and it happens, it was
Speaker 1: a mistake. So then we go to set sort of
Speaker 1: borderline concussed with a little chunk of tooth missing. And
Speaker 1: the first thing that happens is we do this this
Speaker 1: tackle and my ankle just snaps underneath me on landing,
Speaker 1: and I remember it happening, And anyone who's ever done
Speaker 1: this before, you'll know this this sort of weird paradox
Speaker 1: of emotions that goes through you where you're in instant pain.
Speaker 1: You know something bad has happened to that area of
Speaker 1: your body. You're in so much pain, but you're also
Speaker 1: so it's so annoying. It's such an annoying You're like, oh, God,
Speaker 1: damn it. That's no, that's what it is. And with
Speaker 1: me when something when I get hurt badly, I go
Speaker 1: very quiet, and I go very insular, and I sort
Speaker 1: of try and breathe my way through it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know there are people here who are going to
Speaker 1: help me. So I just go cut. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: We need to stop. I'm so sorry. We need to stop.
Speaker 1: We need to stop, We need to stop, which immediately
Speaker 1: brings the medics into set um. You know, they know
Speaker 1: something's gone wrong whatever, and they start on doing my
Speaker 1: boots and by the time my boot is off, my
Speaker 1: ankle is twice the size. Straight to the hospital. We
Speaker 1: put a we put a pause on the day. And
Speaker 1: that was sort of the position I was in for
Speaker 1: the next like five episodes, because it was my ankle
Speaker 1: was a mess, so is in. I was wrapped up
Speaker 1: in like you know, either support straps they needed to
Speaker 1: see my feeds where I was on crutches, or I
Speaker 1: was in a boot. And this is this is the episode.
Speaker 1: This is the episode that the big first injury happened.
Speaker 1: But you know, credit to the crew and the team,
Speaker 1: my fellow actors. We powered our way through and we
Speaker 1: managed to get stuff. And I don't think unless you
Speaker 1: know this story, I don't think you would really know
Speaker 1: that anything happened. A lot of that was creative shoot shooting,
Speaker 1: creative filmmaking that you know, dom currently walk you can
Speaker 1: do maybe three steps and that's kind of it for now.
Speaker 1: And we figured it out. We've figured it out as
Speaker 1: a team and collaboratively as actors were like, well then
Speaker 1: why don't we enter from here or you know whatever,
Speaker 1: And fellow actors were very very helpful with that. My
Speaker 1: colleagues were very helpful and very supportive. And then also
Speaker 1: the crew and the team around us were very accommodating
Speaker 1: for trying to figure that out. So as as bad
Speaker 1: as the injury was, the fact that it didn't put
Speaker 1: a stoppage in the show, I think is a credit
Speaker 1: to the team that we had up there. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly it. And I think that was of
Speaker 1: the first time that we all did have to band
Speaker 1: together as a crew and a cast and and a
Speaker 1: team and go, Okay, here's a problem. How do we
Speaker 1: solve it. How do we figure this out? How do
Speaker 1: we fix it? Because we can't start figure this out
Speaker 1: and trains gotta keep moving, so let's let's all carry
Speaker 1: each other through. And you know, that became kind of
Speaker 1: the spirit of the show in in a really beautiful way,
Speaker 1: as unfortunate as it was. For as unfortunate as it was,
Speaker 1: a nicely clarifying moment that these are good people that
Speaker 1: I want to spend a lot of my time with
Speaker 1: even though I was in pain. So let's also talk
Speaker 1: about whilst we're in the Vampire Den. We have not
Speaker 1: mentioned Alberto enough in this and this is I think
Speaker 1: this was a real time for him to sort of fly.
Speaker 1: We got to understand how how brilliant Alberto is an
Speaker 1: improvisation and how how easy he made this sort of
Speaker 1: dialogue that was very you know, and you got to
Speaker 1: see him like play with things and do the thing
Speaker 1: with you know, with the with the vase, and he
Speaker 1: gets to go and have fun. And this is like
Speaker 1: Alberto's wheelhouse. This is what he's amazing at is when
Speaker 1: they just sort of let him go and they go, well,
Speaker 1: he's amazing a lot of things. But when they just
Speaker 1: let him sort of go, yeah, you've got kind of
Speaker 1: free rein here. You just go and do your thing. Um,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I got You have him opposite Caitlin Leeb,
Speaker 1: who plays Camille so brilliantly, who just slithers in as
Speaker 1: this very feline, very sexy, all powerful lead vampire of
Speaker 1: the clan, and then you have Alberto opposite her, and
Speaker 1: you you set him loose with all of the artifacts
Speaker 1: and all of the playthings and go, okay, have fun.
Speaker 1: You give him a sandbox and let him go play
Speaker 1: and it just enjoy Yeah, and well, and Alberto got
Speaker 1: to create so much too, of what the incanto was
Speaker 1: and how it manifests, and what you know, the freezes are,
Speaker 1: and how how it works with vampires and how to
Speaker 1: do the speed and all of these different elements. A
Speaker 1: lot of that was Alberto's creativity influencing how it manifested.
Speaker 1: And I remember having conversations with him because he did
Speaker 1: that scene first before I did mine in canto, and
Speaker 1: so I sort of had to go to him and go, okay,
Speaker 1: you've established this, what did you do and how does
Speaker 1: it work? And you know that way we could keep
Speaker 1: it consistent. We did a lot of that. We remember,
Speaker 1: we used to do a lot of that sort of
Speaker 1: stuff where whoever it was who filmed first, we take
Speaker 1: that person aside and go, hey, how how did you
Speaker 1: set this law up? Because we weren't there those days.
Speaker 1: And this is another thing that it's that is interesting
Speaker 1: for people to remember, is you know, on set, if
Speaker 1: you're not in that scene, the chances are you weren't
Speaker 1: physically there that day, so you didn't see what happened.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, if they tried a
Speaker 1: few different iterations of whatever it was, we don't know
Speaker 1: which one they're going to go with. So the only
Speaker 1: way to match what had previously been established is this
Speaker 1: is how we do things. To doing it again is
Speaker 1: to talk to the actors and the directors and the
Speaker 1: teams around you and say, hey, how did we do this?
Speaker 1: How what was the what was the process that we
Speaker 1: went through? And you know, we'll talk about this much
Speaker 1: later on, but Luke and I had that that conversation
Speaker 1: when we play each other, you know, in that section
Speaker 1: in season three, we sat down, we'd at a bar
Speaker 1: and we had some drinks and it was a weird
Speaker 1: motion for everyone else there because we were mimicking each other.
Speaker 1: We were copying each other's motions and like figuring out
Speaker 1: how to move like each other and talk like each
Speaker 1: other and stand like each other. And that's, you know,
Speaker 1: one of those things that sort of goes into making
Speaker 1: making these kind of shows that you know you have
Speaker 1: to you have to collaborate and work and trust the
Speaker 1: other people. Didn't even Alberto have to do that at
Speaker 1: one point as well. For when you Glamors in the bar, right,
Speaker 1: because didn't one of you glamorous or something? There was
Speaker 1: something I forget exactly what it was, Glamours as him.
Speaker 1: And then we had lovely Sarah Scottford. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember who was playing our gorgeous girl. So
Speaker 1: Sarah Scottford had been with us pretty much since the
Speaker 1: beginning as a standing, which is one of the more
Speaker 1: painstaking jobs on set. A stand in is someone who,
Speaker 1: you know, if we're in hair and makeup, or if
Speaker 1: we're getting our touches done, or if we're speaking to
Speaker 1: the director or rehearsing or whatever it is, the standing
Speaker 1: literally stands in our spot and they get lit around us.
Speaker 1: They match the lighting to us, and they sort of
Speaker 1: look vaguely like us. There are heights, there are build
Speaker 1: and Sarah, I believe, was your stand in or sort
Speaker 1: of our overall female standing and this one day we
Speaker 1: needed a person in and Sarah was the perfect girl
Speaker 1: for it. And then she comes into the scene. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that one. That's I think that's season two.
Speaker 1: We have time for that one. It is, But I
Speaker 1: will say that's another thing I love so much about
Speaker 1: this show is that it gave so many people the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be the right person to step in and
Speaker 1: fill in, like Sarah stepping in and bring Sydney, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sydney bringing people on the show. Verity, who was one
Speaker 1: of our makeup artists. She was a permit on on
Speaker 1: the first season and got her union status and was
Speaker 1: able to build her way up through the ranks of
Speaker 1: being a makeup artist. And just can't explain that a
Speaker 1: little for not just the people at home, I don't
Speaker 1: fully understand explain that one to me a little more
Speaker 1: so when you're training, it's very similarly to when you're
Speaker 1: an actor before you're a member of the union. It's
Speaker 1: your first couple of jobs. You have a permit, which
Speaker 1: means you're allowed to work on a union job and
Speaker 1: kind of in training as it were. And Verity, who
Speaker 1: is one of our brilliant makeup artists who hopefully will
Speaker 1: have on the show at some point because she was
Speaker 1: with us from day one. And it's also a huge
Speaker 1: engaged by the congratulations, pity, congratulations Verity, and she was
Speaker 1: given the opportunity to be on the show, then became
Speaker 1: a regular makeup artist on the show who was employed
Speaker 1: full time not just on a daily basis, and because
Speaker 1: of that ended up getting her union status and got
Speaker 1: to work through and you know, then be a second
Speaker 1: is sistant and a first assistant and now is you know,
Speaker 1: heading department on different shows and doing makeup in in
Speaker 1: a very different capacity. You know, as kind of one
Speaker 1: works their way up the corporate ladder, you kind of
Speaker 1: work your way up through the ranks in different departments.
Speaker 1: You have the same way. You usually start off doing
Speaker 1: guest stars and then end up in recurring roles and
Speaker 1: then a series regular, and you know, all all the
Speaker 1: ways in which we move up as we gain experience
Speaker 1: in the industry. It was so lovely to be able
Speaker 1: to see our show give people that had been with
Speaker 1: us for a long time and we're already members of
Speaker 1: the family chances to not only stay with us for
Speaker 1: several years, but also to grow in their in their
Speaker 1: careers as well. Absolutely, absolutely yeah, and that that was
Speaker 1: such a fun thing for us because you you grow
Speaker 1: to know and love these people and then to watch
Speaker 1: them kind of blossom and come into their own it's
Speaker 1: it's such a celebratory, wonderful thing, totally alright, So listen,
Speaker 1: where are we now? Let's move on. So so we
Speaker 1: also get to see a lot. As you were saying
Speaker 1: about Simon and Camille, we learn a lot. Camille is
Speaker 1: pulling information out of Simon or trying to find out
Speaker 1: where Clary is trying to find out where the Mortal
Speaker 1: Cup is, trying to get as much advantage, but in
Speaker 1: the end she ends up revealing information. She lets a
Speaker 1: few things slip about Magnus Bain which will play into
Speaker 1: later episodes as far as the memory and wiping abilities
Speaker 1: and things that we're trying to discover in mine out
Speaker 1: of Clary's brain. And then we finally everything comes to
Speaker 1: a head. It does. We all meet chaos and sues.
Speaker 1: We slay a few vampires, which will have to get
Speaker 1: the exact kill count because I don't recall what that is.
Speaker 1: I have one, I think I think I have one
Speaker 1: and you have one in this only because I remember
Speaker 1: I have a broken ankle. And they were like, can
Speaker 1: you still do that spinning move where you take off
Speaker 1: someone's head? And I was like, I don't know. The
Speaker 1: answer is I don't know. I'm not sure, And I
Speaker 1: think if you watch, it's sort of an awkward like
Speaker 1: had to shift from you know, I trained it as
Speaker 1: almost like a pirouette, like a ballet pirouette, on my
Speaker 1: left foot, which is the foot that ended up just
Speaker 1: you know, broken beyond all reasons. So I had to
Speaker 1: shift it onto my right foot, but my sword is
Speaker 1: in my right hand, so it felt off that my
Speaker 1: balance was using both. And it's an awkward it's an
Speaker 1: awkward spin. It's I feel awkward to watching it. Sure well,
Speaker 1: despite your awkwardness, we still win the battle, but we
Speaker 1: almost get caught as we're trying to get away, and
Speaker 1: then Raphael intercepts, and this is kind of one of
Speaker 1: the first it's one of the first instances that we
Speaker 1: see of basically what the core message of what I
Speaker 1: think our show ended up being in the end is
Speaker 1: that no matter as we were talking about the kind
Speaker 1: of spectrum of lineage and creature and species, blood type,
Speaker 1: however you want to refer to it, it's not what
Speaker 1: runs through your veins that makes you who you are
Speaker 1: and makes you a hero or a villain, or a
Speaker 1: good guy or a bad guy. It's the choices that
Speaker 1: you make, and it's what you choose to do and
Speaker 1: where your heart lies as opposed to where you lie
Speaker 1: in this sort of divisive world, and I think that's such.
Speaker 1: It even says it doesn't he he says the line,
Speaker 1: he says, remember who your friends are. And I think
Speaker 1: the overarching as you're saying, sort of the overarching theme
Speaker 1: of our story is exactly that is, you know, you
Speaker 1: remember who your friends are, and it doesn't matter who
Speaker 1: they are or where they're from. They are your people,
Speaker 1: regardless of whether they look the same or behave the
Speaker 1: same or if they're from a different world or you know,
Speaker 1: a different realm. They are your friends, and they your people,
Speaker 1: and they your family, and it's important to keep them
Speaker 1: close and not just envelope them for who they are,
Speaker 1: but also have a more profound understanding of who they
Speaker 1: are and their journey and how they got to where
Speaker 1: they are, you know, an understanding of how this young
Speaker 1: kid ended up, you know, a brutal, immortal succubus, which
Speaker 1: wasn't his choice, that's not what he wanted. That's that's
Speaker 1: you know, to understanding that story. I think was a
Speaker 1: big part of what we were trying to do there too,
Speaker 1: is the art imitates life, of like, instead of seeing
Speaker 1: something as different, maybe let's have a little understanding of
Speaker 1: what that is, let's have a conversation. Let's try and
Speaker 1: evolve ourselves to understanding that and make people feel welcome
Speaker 1: to tell their stories so we can understand it, we
Speaker 1: can move, and we can grow with with the ever
Speaker 1: changing world around us. And I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think that was a big part of what we wanted
Speaker 1: to to tell in our story. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: the not only the writers, but I think every actor
Speaker 1: that came onto the show really understood that and and
Speaker 1: took to that. And I I always found there to
Speaker 1: be a bit of art imitating life in that sense
Speaker 1: because our show, I mean, you and I have both
Speaker 1: worked on a lot of sets over the years, and
Speaker 1: I had not encountered a set before and haven't since.
Speaker 1: That was so collaborative and celebratory of everyone's gifts as
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters. You know, it really was a set where
Speaker 1: everyone recognized that every single person was being a part
Speaker 1: of telling the story and and an artist in their
Speaker 1: own and had their own specific expertise, and we really
Speaker 1: allowed you every department to feed off of each other
Speaker 1: in that way and to influence and and elevate every
Speaker 1: element of the show in the same way that you know,
Speaker 1: our characters and our creatures all find ways to allow
Speaker 1: their gifts to work together to accomplish these goals and
Speaker 1: to to save the day in the end, we hope agreed.
Speaker 1: But before we sort of run out of time, I
Speaker 1: want to touch on the and you this is really
Speaker 1: you telling this story. But it was interesting for me
Speaker 1: to rewatch this that moment of parallel between the relationships
Speaker 1: of Simon and Clary and Alec and Chase and the
Speaker 1: romance friendship divide there that we see, you know, all
Speaker 1: too clearly from Simon and then what is going to
Speaker 1: be led into in the next episode with Alec and
Speaker 1: Chase and that relationship. And I thought that was a
Speaker 1: cool parallel that we got to show exists in all
Speaker 1: different types of world. And I think both Cassie and
Speaker 1: our writers were sort of trying to explain that this
Speaker 1: is this is one of the stereotypical relationships that exists
Speaker 1: in just normal, everyday life for the readers and the
Speaker 1: viewers and the listeners, and we reflected that in what
Speaker 1: we do in the show. Yeah, there's something I loved
Speaker 1: so much about things that are show dead, as he said,
Speaker 1: as we take these normal, sort of mundane human problems
Speaker 1: and set them in a yes stumps doing air quotes,
Speaker 1: and set them in a supernatural setting where at least
Speaker 1: you know, this is why I loved reading Why a
Speaker 1: Fantasy as a kid, because if you're going through something
Speaker 1: in your own life that if these people can handle
Speaker 1: those same situations and still fight demons and save the world,
Speaker 1: maybe my problems aren't so bad. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: as you said, it's it's a literal physical representation. You
Speaker 1: see the triangles all kind of placed out in the
Speaker 1: roof you have, you know, you looking at me, looking
Speaker 1: at Simon, looking at me, looking at you, looking at Alec,
Speaker 1: and Alec looking at you looking at me, and it's
Speaker 1: just this whole kind of interconnected. And then Isabelle applying
Speaker 1: lipstick in the corner because she's just she sees it
Speaker 1: all those silly, silly, silly boys and girl. But then,
Speaker 1: you know, then we do have this moment where it's
Speaker 1: it's I've rewatched it. It's so heartbreaking, lee innocent and
Speaker 1: painful at the same time, when when Claire gives him
Speaker 1: in the biggest hug and goes, You're my best friend.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do without you, and
Speaker 1: kisses him on the cheek and he's just going a
Speaker 1: little heartbreak. Yeah, and he's so good at that. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, he used to break my heart left, right,
Speaker 1: and center. There's an episode later where I swear I
Speaker 1: was crying more on his coverage than on my own,
Speaker 1: just because he broke my heart so much. I know
Speaker 1: which scene you're talking about with the in in your
Speaker 1: room or would be his room, right, Yeah, I know which.
Speaker 1: I know which one you're talking about. You know. Over
Speaker 1: the course of the season, he had a couple where
Speaker 1: we god, there's the one in three it must be
Speaker 1: three with his mom. It's probably my favorite scene we
Speaker 1: ever did on the show. Yeah, because it's so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: But again, Freddie, foreshadowing, that's for later on. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be your new nickname. But then, speaking of foreshadowing, we
Speaker 1: have the final moment of the episode where Simon starts
Speaker 1: to fixate on a vein of Clary's as it starts pulsing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lots lots going on for poor Simond, and I think
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the end of our episode. That is
Speaker 1: the end of our episode, leading us into the next
Speaker 1: phase of this journey as we deal with the aftermath,
Speaker 1: inevitably of saving Clary's best friend. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: all kinds of things came up in our of it.
Speaker 1: Still no Valentine, still no Cup, still no Mum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when it's still probably a bad good job. We still
Speaker 1: think Luke is a bad guy right now. And I'm
Speaker 1: getting ahead of myself now as well, because I watched
Speaker 1: through six yesterday or five yes same so now I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: which one is what happened in episode four? And I'm
Speaker 1: trying and not get ahead of myself whilst we're doing this.
Speaker 1: But as far as this episode goes, we want to
Speaker 1: say thank you so much as always for listening, and
Speaker 1: we will see you next time. Welcome back now, welcome back.
Speaker 1: My brain is not functioning it, Yes, thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us, and we'll see you next time on Return
Speaker 1: to the Shadows. One last thing. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is going to be applicable when it airs, but
Speaker 1: I just want to send my thoughts and prayers to
Speaker 1: the people of the Ukraine. Hopefully by the time this
Speaker 1: has aired it has been resolved peacefully and democratically, but
Speaker 1: I just want to send my thoughts out. We are
Speaker 1: thinking of you, and please stay safe as much as
Speaker 1: you possibly can. Well said Down returned to The Shadows
Speaker 1: as hosted an executive produced by Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood.
Speaker 1: Our executive producer is Langley. Our senior producers are Liz
Speaker 1: Hayes and Diego Tapia, and our producers are Hannah Harris
Speaker 1: and Kristin Vermilia. Original music by Alex Kinsey and performed
Speaker 1: by Alex Kinsey and Katheryn McNamara. The episode was mixed
Speaker 1: by Seth Landski.