WEBVTT - S1E3 - Dead Man’s Party 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.400 Good morning Down, Good morning Cat. How are you. I'm good. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.119 How are you doing fantastically? I like that we're changing 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.480 scenery per episode, which I think is fun. You know, 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.120 we're working it out, we're experimenting, figuring out what our 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.680 setups are going to be, and currently I'm going a 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.200 blanket for it and I'm very much enjoying the experience. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.560 It looks great, it looks great. At what age do 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.240 we stop making blanket for it's just for fun? You know, 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:27.600 that was a silly thing. You know when they say 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.159 growing up to trap, this is exactly what they're talking about. Like, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.600 when did we stop just being like I'm going to 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.000 take eighteen pillow, say I'm gonna make myself a little 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.600 a little hidey hide and I'm going to watch some 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.360 movies in there, and that's going to be my day. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.960 I mean, I've never stopped making blanket for it, so 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.559 maybe I've just never grown up. I'm proud of you. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.920 I'm proud of you. That was the correct choice. I 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:55.480 want that as a voice note, I'm proud of you. Yes, yes, 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.600 Before we dive into anything, I am Dominic Show and 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.280 I'm Katherine McNamara, and welcome back, Come join us as 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.479 we returned into the shadows. We'll get that eventually, we're 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.000 going to get it one of these episodes. We're going 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:47.880 to get it perfect. We have actually started to see 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.920 some of some of the viewership. I guess that's the 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.760 wrong listeners. We're starting to see some of how people 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.760 are receiving the podcast response, response and feedback, listeners and 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.240 viewers all together. If you can think of a word 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.240 for all four of those things, please let me know. Rate, 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.080 view and subscribe, rate, listen, subscribe. But the response has 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.520 been so fantastic, So this is the first time that 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.400 we've seen how you've responded to it, and I just 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.239 want to say thank you all for listening because it's 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.240 really lovely. You know, us and the producing team here 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.799 at Propagate and My Heart were all really behind this 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.239 um and we wanted to do something quite special and 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.480 it seems like us and you guys are on the 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.120 same page. So that's really wonderful. So thank you for listening. Yeah, 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.760 and we've been telling everyone at Propagate and My Heart 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.480 and you know, all the all the way at the 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.720 letter what angels each and every one of you are, 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.359 and you're just absolutely living up to your legacy, and 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.400 I just wanted to you know, Domin, I want to 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.560 extend the biggest thank you for listening and for your 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.960 feedback and responses, and we'll have some more new featureats 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:49.000 for you all to maybe participate in very soon. Um So, 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.120 where we left off last week, we had left poor 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.040 Simon upside down and we were all in sort of 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.120 a bit of a panic as to how to get 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:03.040 our brave, awesome, handsome Monday back, although jas would never 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.440 have met any of those things, and we're sort of 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.760 had a loss of what to do next, and that 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.560 leads us directly into episode three, which is what we 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.480 will be talking about today, called dead Man's Party. The 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:22.200 air dates of which was January, Good Grief, Long Time Ago, 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.760 over six years ago, Unbelievable, which was written based on 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.240 the books by Cassie Claire, with the writers of the 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.200 episode being Ad Dector and Marjorie David, and it was 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.160 directed by the lovely Andy Walk and it was the 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.280 first time we got to meet him, which was fantastic. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:42.000 Andy and the um cat tell us a little about 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.800 what we can expect in this episode. So in this episode, 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.920 the group takes an unexpected detour into the realm of 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.720 the Undead, Clary, Jace, Alec, and Isabel must hatch a 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.360 rescue plan that takes them into the heart of vampire Lair. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.120 With Simon being held captive at the Hotel de more Claire, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.160 he pleads with Jason elegant Isabel to help her rescue 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.320 her best friend. As the team readies for the mission, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.400 Jace helps Clary learn more about her shadow Hunter powers, 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.880 Isabel turns to her favorite see Ye for intel, and 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.159 Alec begins to question Jace's motives and his place in 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:20.719 their partnership. Meanwhile, a very scared Simon gets a very 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.160 up close and personal with Camille, the leader of the 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:27.920 vampire clan. So much happening, and already episode three, so much, 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.440 so much already going on. We're meeting new people, we're 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.320 meeting new new species in our world, and a lot 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.360 happened behind the scenes of this episode as well. We'll 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:43.440 get into that later. I was rewatching it two days ago. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.480 I was dealing with jet lag from England to l 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.240 A and I was rewatching it and I got like 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.159 full body shivers because you can see when it happened, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.240 or you won't see as an audience member ever when 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.120 it happens. But I can see when it happens, and 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.479 I'm like, oh, yep, that's it. That's the moment right there. 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.719 But we will get into that later on. So, Cat, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.080 why don't you tell us some of the fun facts 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.360 about shooting this except for fun fact number two, I'm 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.920 gonna talk about fun fact number two. Um, So, we 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.280 shot this episode in ten days, from the nineteenth of 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.920 June to the twenty nine of June. Oh June, Oh boy, 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:19.880 was starting to get warm in Toronto, it was. And 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.440 this was pre um temperature control in our studio as 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.520 well as Yeah, we'll get into that more an episode five. Yeah, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.240 episode five, it was bad. That's I remember. It was 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.240 five is when it got real bad. But we'll we'll 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.440 discuss that this particular scene between myself and Matt Dadario 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.440 that really uh caused a turning point in the Shadow 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:49.080 Hunters lore and what we perceived for anyway, and let 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.240 us some set changes in season two, but we'll sort 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.280 that out later. There's a few goofs in this episode. Uh, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:56.840 you know, we were still learning how to do all 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.599 the vampire freezing and incantos and speed and such, and 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.480 so there's a point I guess in which Simon's hand 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.240 changes position. And there's another point where we've got some 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.880 jumping bloody mary glasses. I don't know. I've never caught 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.880 those things, and I've seen the episode a few times. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.520 One of the best things about being honest like a 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:20.640 supernatural esque show, though, like anytime someone points something like 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.880 that out, we can just be like, a warlock did it. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.560 It was a warlock is magic the best it exists 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.360 in our world. So just don't, you know, don't mess 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.760 around with it, like it's this is our excuse and 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.440 that's You're gonna have to be happy with that, and 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.160 that's where we live. Yes, another fun fact, this is 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.000 the first episode that we really get to talk about 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:46.160 parabotite and we really get to dive into that anthology 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:47.760 and what that means, and we get into it more 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.920 an episode for and I know that was something that 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.680 you and Matt dealt with the most, because you really 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.760 aren't the only kind of major parabtide that we really 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.680 dive into. We get into it a little bit with 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.200 later on, but it's more so you and Matt kind 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.840 of carried that that mantle as it were, throughout the 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.000 whole year. And that, Yeah, we do get into that 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.600 in season one, don't we with Luke and his Parabitie. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.520 But yeah, it's it really is just Matt and I, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.000 which was which was really good fun for us. You know, 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.560 we got to, like we've discussed a few times before 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.640 in this in this podcast with Simon sort of taking 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.440 towards Simon and David taking the hands of like, this 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.040 is what the vampires are going to be, this is 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.920 how they're going to move, this is how they're gonna look, like, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.640 this is our responsibility to develop this. Matt and I 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.680 had the responsibility of developing what the Parabitie relationship was 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.720 even again coming down to like how you say parabati 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.920 and Matt and I both pronounced it parabitie sort of 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.960 almost instinctively, but we actually had that conversation with Cassie, 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.320 and when Cassie wrote it, I think she had it 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:52.080 in her head as parabat I. I think that's how 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.280 she had it pronounced in her head. Um, and it's 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.720 just interesting that Matt and I got to a different pronunciation. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.160 But yeah, this was sort of the first time we 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.080 get to like anticipate and sort of foreshadow what this 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.280 relationship is going to be and how important it is 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.920 and explain it to the audience. And then what I 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.840 did notice, which I think is interesting, which I don't 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.119 think we'd really touched on. I don't think we touched 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:15.720 on in this episode, and correct me if I'm wrong, 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.640 But we do see the first sort of opportunity of 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:23.440 Alec feeling what Jace is feeling, and it happens later 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.560 on when we get to that section. I'll sort of 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.960 explain it, but you do see a moment where and 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.480 it's quite cool. I wonder if it was just by accident, 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.640 because I don't remember having this conversation, but there's Matt 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.400 in the foreground and me in the background, out of 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.680 focus here, and we both sort of do the same 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.840 thing with our faces just for one just for half 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.040 a second, and it's a cool moment for us because 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.600 that becomes so it becomes important later in the show. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.000 So this was Yeah, it was a fun opportunity for 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.719 us to sort of explore and play with that relationship. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.400 And that's what's so great about this is there's so 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.080 much mythology to the show, and so much of it 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.400 I think why all of us had so much fun, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.240 especially in this first season as we got to kind 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.720 of create the rules for the mythology and how you know, 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.840 we read the books and you know what it's supposed 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.800 to be in its scripted and all of this, but 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:15.880 then the physical kind of manifestation of it, when you're 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.440 living it out, it becomes different and it's it's a 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.120 fun thing to get to create with a group totally totally, 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.080 and I think, you know, another fun point for audiences 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.920 who don't know necessarily or or maybe who are unfamiliar 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.480 with what sort of set life is like. You can 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.160 have the best laid plans of myce men ready to 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:37.880 rock and roll, and then you get to set that 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.240 day and there's a tree that nobody noticed, or their 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.760 ground is too hard, or you know, something is different 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.280 and we weren't expecting that, and all of a sudden 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.640 we have to change the scene kind of on its heads. 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.520 And we're like, okay, well, instead of you saying this, 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.160 this is being said by this person. We're going to 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:54.679 do this, We do this, and we're just going to 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.920 switch it because we especially with a show like Shadow 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.679 Hunters where we sort of fifty fifty were in the 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.199 student we were out on location. When you're on location 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.320 you don't have that much control. You have some control, 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.800 but you don't have that much control of you know, 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.920 what's going on. Some days you turn up and there 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.600 have decided to fix the road across the street, and 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:14.920 that's the noise that you're going to be hearing the 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.400 whole way through. You know, you just have to sort 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.959 of roll with it. This this episode, I think was 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.480 very fifty fifty on location, and it was our first 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:27.080 big nighttime shoot, like first proper two in the morning shoot. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.520 I think it was. It was I mean, since we 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.760 had done you know, all the stuff in the nightclub, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.680 it was it was one of our first shoots that 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.840 we were up all night outside in a graveyard that 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.480 we all got very familiar with. Yeah, we got very 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.800 familiar with this graveyard. I think outside is more what 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.720 I mean, because you can you know, when you're inside 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.160 and you're shooting two or two in the morning, you 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.040 don't really have any reflection of that time passing because 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.880 you're stuck inside. You know, you're just working inside. When 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.160 you're outside, it starts to get colder, and the bugs 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.120 start to come out and they want to buy and 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.160 you know, the mood just it's at one point because 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.960 it's it's cold, and it's dark, and everyone's and we're 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.560 filming in a graveyard and it's weird. You know, I think. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.960 Wasn't this also the episode that we all spent so 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.240 much time in the pandavan trying to keep warm, and 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.240 the fumes started to get to the fumes. That's right, 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.640 that is so I do remember that. So the Panda Van, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.960 as as cool as it was to see on screen, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.200 it had some leaks. Boy, had some leaks. It's not 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.400 a big deal, but it smelled like gas. It smelled 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.880 straight up like petrol in that car, and if you 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.760 sat in it for too long you started to get 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.160 a little loopy. We got the giggles. We got the giggles, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.520 which we were all, you know, accidentally high, which is 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.440 not ideal. Cat Again, this being your fora why didn't 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.800 you tell us a little about some of the important 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.480 book to screen movements. Yeah, So as we dive in, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.600 there's there's only a few differences. As we have discussed. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.079 We get to talk about Parabatie this episode, which is fantastic. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:04.800 Also one of our biggest locations and something that really 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.959 comes in in the book is the Hotel de More, 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.920 which it tends to be the central vampire layer in 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.640 New York City, which is an old hotel that's under construction, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.760 and it's not only is it a vampire layer, but 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:22.840 we discovered that the vampires are hedonists but also have 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:29.280 a proclivity for stealing ancient artifacts and artwork and other 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.360 is it stealing if you rob your own grave. That's 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:42.800 this is a whole thing, right, Stealing, collecting, attributing, gathering, acquiring. Yeah, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.439 one of the sort of the inevitables of eternal life 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.679 as you are going to hoard. And I think it's 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.400 whether you hold something that's valuable or whether you hold 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.480 something that's not valuable, and they do tend to I 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.199 think in most iterations of the vampire story there are 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.920 these sort of arc ach antiques that live within their 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.480 world because and this is another thing that's very cool 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.040 is especially with things like vampires, is we get to 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:14.600 take on like the last possible version of a story 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.040 that's existed for you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:19.440 of years, and we try and stick to some of 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.200 that law, or we poke fun at previous law, or 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.679 we create our new law or whatever it is. But 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.320 as a general rule, the story sort of stays the same. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.760 So you know bran Brand Stoker's Dracula lived in this 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.079 gorgeous castle in Transylvania, but had collected all of these 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.560 sort of a kuchrama over the course of you know, 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.520 the hundreds and hundreds of years that he's been alive, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.160 and we we still have that law in our show. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.480 Those vampires still do that same thing, which I think 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.680 is for me. That was something that was really cool 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.800 about working on a show like this is it is modern, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.880 and you know, we've got new tech and we've got 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.360 these swords and jackets and you know, all of this 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.920 new stuff. But also we're and we do talk about 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.040 a lot. It's a war that's been being fought. Since 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.760 we have a date for it. What is it looking 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.680 better in black than the widows of our animal? Since 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.200 I think it's twelve thirty four, twelve thirty four, I 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.360 was off by quite a way, by quite a way, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.720 by about six years, It's okay. Twelve thirty four should 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.719 have been an easy one to remember as well. One 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:19.960 it's one to three four is what it is. That's 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:21.560 an easy day. Do you want to try and connect 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.880 your headphones? Sweets? Now? Are you sure, all right? Deck 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:30.200 is over there. Um. Also, as we dive in, we 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.520 get to see a little bit more about Clarie and 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.560 Simon's relationship, and you know, Clari's losing all of her 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.080 people and she's lost Simon. She has lost her mom 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.360 at this point, and in essence, she's lost Luke. And 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.080 we start to learn about some of the Clave rules 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.200 as they you know, figure out how to get Simon back. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.080 And I feel as though we always had this discussion 0:14:55.240 --> 0:15:00.240 of how this particular shadow Hunter team of Isy, Jason, Alec, Yeah, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.840 probably tend to be the more rambunctious of the shadow 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.800 Hunters because all the rest of the shadow Hunters tend 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.520 to seem to really follow the rules and do their 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:13.240 job and clean up our mess that we create. We 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:14.840 used to talk about that a lot, didn't we. Like 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.520 towards the end of season two, we'd be talking to 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.640 sort of like, you know, the background performers are also 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.160 known as extras or supporting artists sort of depending on 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.240 where you're from and what you're used to, and we 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:27.600 would talk to them and we were like, you know 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.920 what we can add in here is you guys can 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.560 be pissed at us because we're just constantly going out 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.760 and breaking the rules, and you guys follow the rules, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.360 and they're just like this fucking team. These guys are 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.840 the worst. That's so they're just constantly causing everyone trouble. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.600 Like every time there's a problem, it's always jays Alakan 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.720 is he always, always, always, And then with the addition 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.480 of Clary's jazzy and Clary, it's we're just you know, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.320 we're that sort of irritating group at school and nine 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.200 times out of tend it just happens to work out 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.040 for us, but not not necessarily virtue of us doing 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.040 what we're supposed to do, more by virtue of us 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:07.080 falling and landing on our feet exactly, were by virtue 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.880 of oh, this accidentally just happened and fell into ours 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.120 and it's wonderful. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know, I 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.360 feel as though, as as the team becomes more cohesive 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.040 a little bit, we gained some skills, I think, so 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.400 we learned some things. We do learn some things, and 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.680 we learn how to sort of work with each other 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.520 a little more. And the and you know, again it's 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.400 that same thing that you were talking about earlier, is 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.800 we're still sort of finding our feet within the show 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.400 at this point as well, So you know, later on 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.800 when we really do delve into what this you know, 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.640 parabitie relationship is, for example, then we get to rely 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.040 on that more is like, this is what our law is. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.720 This we've set up sort of the ground base, and 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.240 then you know, it's not really until it's actually my 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.680 favorite episode that for me as a performer that I've 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.200 ever been in this episode two, Season two, episode three, 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.560 with that whole thing that happens, which obviously we're going 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.360 to talk about later on further down line with the podcast, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.200 but that was one of my favorite episodes because that 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.560 was that was a Parabti episode. Actually think it was 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.840 cooled Parabti. It was Parabtie last Yeah, parabit I lost, Yeah, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.560 and it was that was the first time that we 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.600 got to like, great, let's hone in on what these 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.879 things are, and I wonder if the audience, you know, 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.200 let us know if if this these are things that 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.640 you sort of saw and noticed throughout watching the show 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.120 is we did get to kind of fine tune things. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.800 So season one was very like we're going to introduce 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.600 the vampires and we're going to set up sort of 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.000 the bedrock of law. This is sort of the rough 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.960 things that we're going to follow, and then we introduced 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.080 Simon into the world and he gets to sort of 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.119 explore that is more drastically, and you get to explore 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.199 being a shadow hunter is sort of from the ground up, 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:41.760 you know, and we get to do that more and 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.560 more as the seasons went on, which was which I 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.080 think is one of the beautiful things about doing a show. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.640 You know, if we'd have ended at season one, which 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.000 you know, we will talk about that later on, but 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.800 there's so much that we wouldn't have been able to explore, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.280 which would have been a shame. And we didn't know. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.680 We didn't know for like six months and soft filming 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.760 season one if we were coming back for two. We 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.760 had no idea. It's a really long time. It was 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:24.439 a long time. Yeah, we had a long wait. Speaking 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.320 of lore and the show and anything else. Something else 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.520 I think is interesting about this episode is the parallel 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.080 because we do explore Parabi for the first time, but 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.840 we also explore Simon and Clary's friendship, which there are 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.720 a lot of parallels between the two, and you know, 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:42.400 if it's one very specific one for sure, well indeed, 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:47.400 but as we dive in, we get to see another 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.680 aspect of the lore, which I realized now in season 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.240 one was such a huge deal, but we had so 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:57.440 many big deal things since then. The Mortal Cup was 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.119 such a huge part of season one, and it is 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.080 everyone wanted the Mortal Cup and it was this literal 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.240 holy grail of swords and Clary was the key. So 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.000 people kept, you know, taking people that Clary loved or 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:14.520 threatening elements of Clary's life and she didn't even know 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.360 where the Cup was for the longest time until episode six, 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:23.680 I believe. But we'll get into that later. But foreshadowing, Yeah, 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.000 we're going to do a whole bunch of foreshadowing because 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.280 we're not very good at staying on topics. No we're not. 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.119 But okay, back on top Let's see first is how 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.840 to get Simon back. So we're navigating the shadow world. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.639 We're learning about vampires. This is our vampire episode in 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.280 a sense. And as we're learning about vampires, we cut 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:45.760 back and forth to the Vampire Lare itself and the hotel. 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.440 The more and we get to see, but we also 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.160 learn about Oh, this is one of my favorite elements 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.320 of the Mortal instruments. World in general is the sort 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:58.359 of spectrum that Cassie Claire has set up of the 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.040 mythological creatures that this in our world. And this is 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:05.400 something that's so unique to this universe is that all 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.040 creatures and all beings exist on a scale from angel 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.920 to human to demon, and every aspect and every creature 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:17.480 is sort of a different combination thereof. So humans are human, 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.480 angels are angels, demons or demons, but then in between 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.120 you have shadow Hunters, which are half angel half human. 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.560 You have seas which are half angel half demon. You 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:31.960 have werewolves and vampires, which are humans with a demon disease. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.199 And so as you go through every kind of creature 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.520 that you encounter across all of it has different elements 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:40.840 of these and that plays so much into our story 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.240 as we move forward in the different ways in which 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.080 shadow Hunters navigate and deal with and handle being sort 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.040 of the demon police as it were, of this world 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.680 totally totally. And then you're right, and then later on 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.280 we get to deal with the sort of racial hierarchy 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.560 that lives within our world, and we touched on it 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.960 sort of briefly in this episode with with the introduction 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.680 of Melion, who will get his own proper introduction in 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.840 a second, but he does briefly mention you know that 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.800 the Shadow Answers don't respect the sea leaves as much 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:15.800 as they should be respected. They sort of used more 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.040 as like a tool within within the Shadow on to 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:23.560 world until later on. Because each one of these creatures 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.719