Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, everybody, Welcome in to the Wednesday Morning
Speaker 1: Heard Colin Coward podcast. So a bunch of different thoughts
Speaker 1: for about twelve minutes here. You know, when I was younger,
Speaker 1: and you'd have Thanksgiving or Christmas, but usually Thanksgiving you
Speaker 1: invite extended family. And maybe my family was different than yours.
Speaker 1: My guess is not. Really. There's always one weird uncle
Speaker 1: that shows up, and he's like the conspiracy theorist in
Speaker 1: the family. And it's not like, you know, he believes
Speaker 1: in UFOs. You know, maybe he did see one, he
Speaker 1: just didn't know what it was. It was a government
Speaker 1: plane whatever. I'm not talking that, but you know, he's
Speaker 1: always like anti government and and I always had this
Speaker 1: sort of theory on conspiracy theorists that they're people that
Speaker 1: somehow feel slighted by life. They're not as successful as
Speaker 1: they believe they should be, so they've got to blame somebody.
Speaker 1: It's the government, it's a political figure, it's a boss.
Speaker 1: The truth is when you used to bring them over
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving or Christmas and they would leave, you were
Speaker 1: all like, yeah, we like uncle Phil, but he's batshit crazy.
Speaker 1: And I was watching the Trump indictment in Georgia and
Speaker 1: I woke up at like three in the morning and
Speaker 1: they couldn't go back to sleep for about forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: and I went online, what a mistake. I'm convinced now
Speaker 1: half the country is conspiracy theorists. It's the Alex Jonesing
Speaker 1: of society. One of the reasons I love sports is
Speaker 1: that there's finish lines, and they're standings, and they're winners
Speaker 1: and they're losers. But as I looked at this indictment,
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, is the reality of paula Tics
Speaker 1: going forward that unless you win an election, conservative or Democrat,
Speaker 1: you're going to say it's fixed? Like, is that the
Speaker 1: door that's been opened? I mean, I always loved sports.
Speaker 1: Years ago, I was offered a political show years and
Speaker 1: years and years ago from a general manager of an
Speaker 1: AM radio station that said, you know, I think you're
Speaker 1: kind of a moderate, lean left guy. There's too many
Speaker 1: conservatives on the air. And I said, well, if the
Speaker 1: audience listens to conservatives, that's what the audience wants. And
Speaker 1: I said to him, I'm not angry enough to be
Speaker 1: in politics. I like the finality of sports. Winners, losers
Speaker 1: go home, game over. But folks with that movie JFK
Speaker 1: came out years ago by Oliver Stone. It was really entertaining,
Speaker 1: but when it was over, everybody sort of agreed it
Speaker 1: was out there. I think today, if it was released,
Speaker 1: it would be seen as a documentary. People would just
Speaker 1: buy all of it. And I don't know what happen
Speaker 1: is that the influence of social media. But politics has
Speaker 1: gotten so crazy I have to shut it off. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't care who's running for president, but if you
Speaker 1: think elections are fixed, I can't vote for you either
Speaker 1: side it's over. That will be my definitive one topic
Speaker 1: election outcome provider. If you think the election is fixed,
Speaker 1: I can never vote for you. What the hell would
Speaker 1: that do to our democracy? Give me sports, give me standings,
Speaker 1: get me conclusive winners and losers. It's a more sane life.
Speaker 1: So one of the things that baseball pushed back on
Speaker 1: for years, and it's really going to cost them in
Speaker 1: the playoffs this year, is individuality. There's always been this
Speaker 1: ridiculous there's a way to play the game. No, there's not,
Speaker 1: unwritten rules. Write them down. I think baseball is going
Speaker 1: to have its lowest postseason ratings ever, and the primary
Speaker 1: reason is the average sports fan not a fantasy baseball player.
Speaker 1: And the average sports fan will not be able to
Speaker 1: name a starter for most of the American League playoff
Speaker 1: teams Baltimore, Minnesota, the Cleveland Guardians, and the Tampa Rays.
Speaker 1: And say what you want about the NBA, but all
Speaker 1: of you listening can name at least three starters for
Speaker 1: the Golden State Warriors, and a couple starters for the
Speaker 1: Celtics and a couple starters for the Milwaukee Bucks. You
Speaker 1: don't even have to be an NBA fan. You kind
Speaker 1: of know the top ten players in the league and
Speaker 1: you've heard of the next ten. That's because the NBA
Speaker 1: has pushed wrapped their arms around and embraced individuality. I
Speaker 1: always thought one of the keys for college football during
Speaker 1: the USC days was that USC put their arms around
Speaker 1: Redge Bush and Matt Leinert and they really focused on
Speaker 1: individuality and team play, whereas Alabama is like Penn State.
Speaker 1: You know, numbers on the helmets, generic uniforms. It's all
Speaker 1: about the team over the individual. Well you're going to
Speaker 1: see in baseball this year the direct result of that.
Speaker 1: American League ratings are going to be atrocious. Yankees out
Speaker 1: Red Sox out, Thank God. The Dodgers and the Braves
Speaker 1: in the National League, well known brands with star players
Speaker 1: have a good chance to get to the National League
Speaker 1: Championship Series. But the American League. I mean again, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking seamhead Baseball, Diehard, I'm not talking Bob Costas,
Speaker 1: Keith Oberman, guys who lived for the sport. Average fans,
Speaker 1: sports fan in America, I can't name a starter for
Speaker 1: the Twins Orioles. Race guardians can't name one. I've said
Speaker 1: before twice that I've tried to invest in the MLS
Speaker 1: too rich for my blood. But I think the academy
Speaker 1: system of the smaller stadiums, I think it's well run.
Speaker 1: And I also think we have better players now in
Speaker 1: America than we've ever had. And I always feel like,
Speaker 1: if you're a really good high school football player, really
Speaker 1: really special, you will be offered by the SEC. You'll
Speaker 1: get an offer from Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, somebody that
Speaker 1: kind of validates. Even if you live in California play
Speaker 1: in Washington State, you'll be offered by the SEC. That's
Speaker 1: where the best players go mostly. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you're really a legitimate soccer player in America, you
Speaker 1: will play overseas and not just make a roster, but
Speaker 1: you know, via viable starter or somebody that is gets
Speaker 1: on the pitch right. The MLS still has a pretty
Speaker 1: low ceiling, and I think the example of that is
Speaker 1: thirty six year old loun A Messi literally has walked
Speaker 1: into the worst team in the MLS and is averaging
Speaker 1: a goal and a half a game, and I mean
Speaker 1: looks ridiculously effortlessly easy. Now, he was very good at
Speaker 1: the World Cup. He's not in Bappe at this point,
Speaker 1: and Bope is in his athletic prime, just surging into it.
Speaker 1: But I mean when you watch Messi in the ease
Speaker 1: in which he gets quality shots, it shows you how
Speaker 1: far the MLS is from being a great league. Now
Speaker 1: we don't think it's a Laaliga. We don't think it's
Speaker 1: the English Premier League, the EPL. We don't. But it
Speaker 1: has sort of been noticeable to me that Messi is
Speaker 1: so profoundly skilled that it's almost like players are paying
Speaker 1: respect to him. They don't want to be humiliated. They
Speaker 1: give him these nice little cushions that I'm not sure
Speaker 1: they give American players. I think it's a great story.
Speaker 1: I think he's the most important player ever in the MLS.
Speaker 1: I am a fan of the league. I try to
Speaker 1: catch on a fairly regular base. Fifteen minutes highlights YouTube it.
Speaker 1: I really do like it, and I am a huge
Speaker 1: kind of advocate for the United States men's and women's
Speaker 1: national teams. But it shouldn't be this easy for MESSI
Speaker 1: should it? I mean this easy. This was the worst
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Speaker 1: It's called Grand Turismo. It is a true story. And
Speaker 1: I was told that I watched the movie. I had
Speaker 1: to google after. I'm like, give me a break. I
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Speaker 1: When You're a Gamer, and there was parts in the
Speaker 1: movie and I understand it's Hollywood, so not everything in
Speaker 1: the movie is true about your dad, you know, like
Speaker 1: all dads is thinking to himself. My son's playing esports,
Speaker 1: he's an e gamer. I want to get a real job.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, is this Hollywood? Or could
Speaker 1: you tell us? Was their doubts by your family? Your
Speaker 1: mom supported you, but your dad was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I understand, like I'm a dad. Was there conflict with
Speaker 1: your dad or was that a little bit of Hollywood?
Speaker 2: Well it wasn't really.
Speaker 3: Esports wasn't a thing back then in motorsport anyway, twelve
Speaker 3: years ago, twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: I've had it all my life.
Speaker 3: I guess any millennial born in the nineties has had
Speaker 3: the same thing with PlayStation all the games.
Speaker 2: I've had it in school.
Speaker 3: Coming up from school, you have to do two hours
Speaker 3: revision before that thing even gets turned on. Whatever, go outside, No,
Speaker 3: I want to play PlayStation instead. It's forever been a thing.
Speaker 3: So when I was talking to the producers and scriptwriters
Speaker 3: back in woll this was twenty nineteen, I mean it
Speaker 3: was I just told my experiences. It's like, yeah, my
Speaker 3: dad wanted to be to outside and have a childhood
Speaker 3: like he did, but he didn't quite understand that. I'm
Speaker 3: also socializing online with my friends with my microphone and
Speaker 3: it's now it's kind of normal, whereas back then it's
Speaker 3: still you have different generation not really understanding the current generations.
Speaker 3: So no, it's not it's not Hollywood. It's that's how
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, And it's interesting you say that, how
Speaker 1: old are you now? Because you sound like my sixteen
Speaker 1: year old son who says, Dad, I am socializing. I'm
Speaker 1: socializing on my computer.
Speaker 2: I'm thirty one.
Speaker 3: And even now it's it's another level because not only well,
Speaker 3: twelve years ago, I guess I don't know what if
Speaker 3: twitch was the thing. Back then YouTube was barely a thing,
Speaker 3: but certainly online streaming wasn't a thing, whereas now you
Speaker 3: can have i don't know, like millions of people, hundreds
Speaker 3: of thousands of people watch you play a game and
Speaker 3: also socialize in the chat. That's something which is again
Speaker 3: for me, I don't do that because I'm in my
Speaker 3: thing is in real life. But when I look at
Speaker 3: these content streamers and it's like, yeah, they're so talking
Speaker 3: to so many people at the same time.
Speaker 2: It's like a social event.
Speaker 1: So I had never heard of this story, and as
Speaker 1: I watched the movie, it's very compelling. I literally had
Speaker 1: to google Okay, is this real? So you're basically a gamer,
Speaker 1: You get invited to the GT Academy, you win it,
Speaker 1: and because of an aspirational you know, motorsport executive and
Speaker 1: a driver who has real doubts about you, did you have?
Speaker 1: You come across as very confident. But I mean, let's
Speaker 1: be honest. This story there's a reason Hollywood wanted to
Speaker 1: make this story. It doesn't even sound true. Did you
Speaker 1: ever have a doubt gamer to getting in a car
Speaker 1: before that first race starts? Were you anxious? Were you
Speaker 1: nervous or did you have this sort of inner scoreboard?
Speaker 1: And believe not there's advantages that I have over these drivers.
Speaker 2: Never still of that.
Speaker 3: But I'm someone who's very headstrong, and I'm somebody who
Speaker 3: I think who has a good like building block psyche
Speaker 3: from my father telling me from a young age, you know,
Speaker 3: do something in life which brings you purpose and that
Speaker 3: you're passionate about, and that for me is cars. So
Speaker 3: I'm a headstrong person, so that is all I wanted
Speaker 3: to do. So when the opportunity presented itself of this
Speaker 3: is a chance of becoming a race and driver, I
Speaker 3: was all in and that I didn't think I could
Speaker 3: win I didn't think I could lose. It was this
Speaker 3: weird frame of mind during the whole process of entering
Speaker 3: it at home on my PlayStation and also get into
Speaker 3: the finals of the academy, where I was like a
Speaker 3: blinked race horse, where I didn't want to think about
Speaker 3: winning or losing it.
Speaker 2: It was just like, Okay, what's next.
Speaker 3: Let's do the best I can learn from learn from
Speaker 3: my mistakes in the previous instructors' comments, and the next
Speaker 3: time in the car, don't make that mistake.
Speaker 2: Again, or let's improve. It was this weird mindset.
Speaker 3: I never thought that I had advantage over anybody else
Speaker 3: because I went in there with the understanding that I'm
Speaker 3: to be a sponge. That was another thing I remember thinking, like,
Speaker 3: it's like, all the information that that's going to be
Speaker 3: taught at me during this academy process at GT Academy
Speaker 3: is going to be good information because all the drivers,
Speaker 3: all the instructors are currently current racing drivers, all the
Speaker 3: ex professionals, so whatever they're telling me is going to
Speaker 3: be correct. I have no preconceived ideas of how to
Speaker 3: race a racing right, so I was just absorbing all
Speaker 3: of it, and I never thought that I had an
Speaker 3: advantage over anybody else. Really, it's not. I was very
Speaker 3: much aware that I'm the first step of the ladder.
Speaker 3: Because there's people that were there at the academy who
Speaker 3: had had drifting experience of then track days, of then
Speaker 3: cart in. I was the least experienced person of everybody there.
Speaker 3: And it was the same thing in entering motorsport after
Speaker 3: the Academy, I'm very much aware that I'm here to
Speaker 3: All I cared about is my progression.
Speaker 2: I didn't care about anything else.
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that my progression is experienced
Speaker 3: for as long as possible. So I never I was
Speaker 3: all I am is very headstrong and he's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's what I want to do, and I'll do it.
Speaker 3: I don't think if I'm no confidence in showing it egotistically,
Speaker 3: it's not really my scene. Even now, it's like I
Speaker 3: don't say what I've done. It's like the people that
Speaker 3: put I guess you know the school accomplishments, MBAs and
Speaker 3: stuff in their bios. Is That'm just not that I
Speaker 3: have receipts of what I've done in the past, and
Speaker 3: the movie thing is fantastic. I never thought it'd be
Speaker 3: a thing because it's so random. So when it first
Speaker 3: got told to me, I didn't believe them and I thought,
Speaker 3: why me, I'm just racing my racing car.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been doing.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. And you're a gamer and then you're
Speaker 1: a driver. Once you'd succeeded it driving, did you go
Speaker 1: back to gaming sometimes and think? Actually it helped you
Speaker 1: as a driver, So you transition from gamer to driver
Speaker 1: when you went back to gaming. Are there things gaming
Speaker 1: in gaming that actually are advantages that drivers probably could use?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: The main reason why drivers and I still use simps
Speaker 3: is because of the limited time you have on circuits.
Speaker 2: So in the off season, right.
Speaker 3: From I don't know, November till March, you there's no
Speaker 3: real drive and it's cold here in the UK during
Speaker 3: those months, so you the next best sitting is being
Speaker 3: in assimulator. So yeah, it's just lapse, it's it's time
Speaker 3: in the seat. Yeah, it's that. That's what it's currently useful.
Speaker 3: That's what I still use the SIMP for.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've been in a race car twice now
Speaker 1: more of a stock car American version, which is not
Speaker 1: as slick as what you drove. My takeaway is Wow,
Speaker 1: it's really hot in here, and you better be in shape.
Speaker 1: So in the movie, the first time you were in
Speaker 1: that car, take me to the physical I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: did you come out of that thing and wake up
Speaker 1: the next morning and you were a wreck? You were?
Speaker 1: Was it physically more daunting than you thought it would be?
Speaker 2: It was an accluminative.
Speaker 3: It was an accluminative like sensation, really, because during those
Speaker 3: academy days, day one, day two, day three, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of feel fine. But then in the later days
Speaker 3: I was aware that my hands were starting to get
Speaker 3: quite sore, my forearms, my even my my neck to
Speaker 3: a little bit to a point. And then certainly when
Speaker 3: I transitioned to really quick racing cars after the academy,
Speaker 3: I'm actually racing. Then it's it became a thing. It
Speaker 3: became a real thing. Like there's muscles behind your ears,
Speaker 3: which you don't really work in normal day to day life.
Speaker 3: But when you've done two days testing in a Formula
Speaker 3: three car at a track where seven five of the
Speaker 3: corners out of seven a full throttle, and you wake
Speaker 3: up the next morning, you get lift your head up
Speaker 3: the pillow and your neck is just it's it's in
Speaker 3: bits and you've got another day test and it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a thing. It's really GT cars. They get very hot,
Speaker 3: it's quite hot in You have to be lean, you
Speaker 3: have to be aerobically fit. I train it every day,
Speaker 3: and not only because of my job, because I actually
Speaker 3: enjoy training. It's it's part of my lifestyle. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, i've recently. I never did it before because
Speaker 3: I never would the technology. But I had a recent
Speaker 3: main at Fuji in Japan. It was a twenty four
Speaker 3: hour race and I have like this finished tracker, it's
Speaker 3: my wrist and I left it on during the race
Speaker 3: and over two hours, I think I burnt eight hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy calories.
Speaker 2: It was average one hundred.
Speaker 3: And fifty deep some minutes got a peaked at aroune
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: So it's like it's your your stress for a long time.
Speaker 3: It's maybe the heat and a GT card. The heat
Speaker 3: really makes your body work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say a twenty four hour
Speaker 1: race like Lamon's how I'm just a novice. How do
Speaker 1: you get Obviously there are probably mechanisms to keep you hydrated,
Speaker 1: but you're burning through eight hundred calories every two hours.
Speaker 2: How do you eat?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you do you go into a race? No?
Speaker 1: You you don't want to go into a race like
Speaker 1: heavy and tired, so you want to go in fairly lean.
Speaker 1: How do you eat in a twenty four hour race
Speaker 1: when you're burning those kind of calories?
Speaker 3: I think for me, I've always ate it all times,
Speaker 3: so I still stick to my during just before the
Speaker 3: race and during I still stick to my normal plan.
Speaker 3: I'll eat when I'm hungry. I eat my three meals
Speaker 3: a day. But it's not so much when I get
Speaker 3: out of the car, you know I need to grab
Speaker 3: food immediately. It's more when you wake up in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night and then you know you're in
Speaker 3: the car, like I don't know, four am. And then
Speaker 3: it's planning your times of eating in really unusual hours
Speaker 3: because then you bought your body like I'm hungry for
Speaker 3: it's four o'clock in the morning. This isn't normal, It's
Speaker 3: it's an interesting experience because you're hungry at weird times.
Speaker 3: All I felt, all I've done really is whenever I'm
Speaker 3: hung just make sure I'm not hungry, and I get
Speaker 3: in the car and then I'm fine.
Speaker 1: So you dominate a game like Grand Turismo, right, and
Speaker 1: that gets you on a track. Are there other games?
Speaker 1: As a gamer? Are there other games? Does it transition
Speaker 1: in esports that you're just good on almost any gaming
Speaker 1: platform you?
Speaker 2: Well, it's I think now.
Speaker 3: I would never put in the hours required to be
Speaker 3: at a level where I'm the best because I don't
Speaker 3: find that enjoyable. But also, whatever I do on a
Speaker 3: sim now is for my real life performance in the car,
Speaker 3: so I never go into that detail anymore. But I
Speaker 3: can jump on another They all have their nuances, they're
Speaker 3: all slightly different, but I can jump on another SIM,
Speaker 3: whether that be on PC or another title on PlayStation,
Speaker 3: and be quick.
Speaker 2: It's like the racing game.
Speaker 3: It's what I've been doing since I was eight, so
Speaker 3: come kind of alright at doing them.
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Speaker 1: you view? Because I thought the movie was very compelling.
Speaker 1: I thought you're The actor that played you was very realistic.
Speaker 2: What is it like?
Speaker 1: And this will never happen to me to watch yourself
Speaker 1: being played by somebody else in a movie? What is
Speaker 1: that like?
Speaker 3: The two weird points that are very strange is firstly,
Speaker 3: when somebody has your race suit and it has j
Speaker 3: Dot Martinborough on it. That's weird to see. But the
Speaker 3: weirdest is somebody having wearing your helmet, wearing your colors.
Speaker 3: Because the motorsports, our helmets are the only thing as
Speaker 3: a race in Drive we get to customize by ourself.
Speaker 3: Everything else is due to the team or manufacturer sponsor
Speaker 3: that we have. The race helmet is fair game for us.
Speaker 3: We can design it however we want so to see
Speaker 3: somebody wear my colors, because it's very My helmet doesn't
Speaker 3: have my name on it for a reason because when
Speaker 3: I designed the helmets, I designed it myself and I
Speaker 3: didn't want my name on the helmet because I said
Speaker 3: this at a time where I was kind of again
Speaker 3: maybe second step with the ladder, but I said to myself, look,
Speaker 3: people are going to know the colors of my helmet.
Speaker 3: Just because they're going to know the colors of my helmet,
Speaker 3: I don't want. I don't need my name on it.
Speaker 3: I don't need anything else. There's those are my colors,
Speaker 3: and I'll be recognized from that. That's what helmet's for.
Speaker 3: So to see somebody else the Archie way the helmet is,
Speaker 3: it's very weird for me.
Speaker 1: So David Arbor is the ex failed race car driver,
Speaker 1: and he's very cynical of your mission. You're a gamer,
Speaker 1: you get to be a racer. Did you feel animosity
Speaker 1: from drivers in the industry where you could kind of
Speaker 1: sense it at the temperature in the room. You felt
Speaker 1: like people sort of rolled their eyes at what you
Speaker 1: were trying to accomplish.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, this isn't all racing drivers.
Speaker 3: That's It's not like every single race and drive I've
Speaker 3: had a negative experience.
Speaker 2: It's only been a very few. Most drivers have been
Speaker 2: very welcoming.
Speaker 3: Of course, the movie focuses on the relationship with one
Speaker 3: in particular that was quite negative, and it's the main
Speaker 3: part rival of the story. But this person is based
Speaker 3: off a real person that I was teammates with in
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, and it was, like you say, there was
Speaker 3: a lack of respect was that I was given. I
Speaker 3: was very much aware back then as well that I'm
Speaker 3: still cutting my teeth, I'm still hurting my reputation. I
Speaker 3: wasn't expecting people to be very friendly and open and
Speaker 3: race as if you know you're on their level because
Speaker 3: of I haven't done anything. I've been racing that but
Speaker 3: maybe two years and now. I was aware that if
Speaker 3: I was racing against me coming up the conventional route,
Speaker 3: I would hate me, so I cannot had some sympathy.
Speaker 3: I had some sympathy because my ego is quite big,
Speaker 3: especially in my world of motorsport, So to be racing
Speaker 3: against somebody who's barrier to entry to the sport is
Speaker 3: five hundred pounds, and then maybe my you know what,
Speaker 3: my sponsor or family or you know, private minis. They've
Speaker 3: spent hundreds of thousands, maybe millions to get me to
Speaker 3: this level, and I've competing against me. So I would
Speaker 3: be like, I'm going to make sure I beat this
Speaker 3: guy because I'm going to look silly. I would hate
Speaker 3: to lose against me. Back then it would be so
Speaker 3: I have some sympathy, really, But there was some some people,
Speaker 3: some drivers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of when you're.
Speaker 3: Strapped to a car, which can do damage to people,
Speaker 3: do damage to humans, and whereas it's a it's a
Speaker 3: missile at some point, and then when that's used in
Speaker 3: a way that life can be threatened, then it's then
Speaker 3: I will talk about it.
Speaker 2: So when I was talking to producers and.
Speaker 3: Scriptwriters about rivals, there was a person in mind about
Speaker 3: that and the experience that I had with this person
Speaker 3: because there was a lack of respect on circuit. Face
Speaker 3: to face, you know, it is what it is, but
Speaker 3: on circuit there was very clear that there was nothing there.
Speaker 3: One more kind of example, which is still funny to
Speaker 3: this day because I've mentioned it so many times. I
Speaker 3: woonder if the guy would ever contact me. But my
Speaker 3: first ever race after the Academy was in a place
Speaker 3: called Pembury, my local Welsh circuit, and I was having
Speaker 3: a conversation with somebody and this guy interjected and he
Speaker 3: introduced himself as the Welsh sports Car and saloon Car
Speaker 3: Champion of twenty ten. I thought it was very strange
Speaker 3: for somebody to introduce themselves as a champion, but anyway,
Speaker 3: I kind of let him talk. And this was the
Speaker 3: first time our experienced a verbal to my face where
Speaker 3: he thought he was here, I was here.
Speaker 2: And he said to me, if you see me in
Speaker 2: your mirrors, don't fight me, just let me go. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've been racing.
Speaker 3: I had done my first race out the academy at
Speaker 3: that point, and I was like, oh, I've got a
Speaker 3: man next to me who's given me the yeah, playing
Speaker 3: the big man.
Speaker 2: And it just lit a fire.
Speaker 3: I already I was already kind of psyched up, but
Speaker 3: this guy kind of threw logs and gasoline on my soul. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's needless to say he stayed in my mirrors. But
Speaker 3: that was the first kind of experience of.
Speaker 2: You know, egos.
Speaker 1: Hierarchy, yeherarchy, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Did.
Speaker 1: By the way, the first time you faced this person
Speaker 1: and you can mention him, did you beat him.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah that weekend. I mean this was grassroots level.
Speaker 3: This wasn't high competition at all. This was getting my
Speaker 3: race license. However, the who Kappa is based off. This
Speaker 3: was during Formula three, so twenty thirteen. This was so
Speaker 3: I've been racing a couple of years. Still very new,
Speaker 3: but yeah, the level quite high from the three.
Speaker 1: That had to feel great, That had to feel great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I had an experience in broadcasting like that. I still
Speaker 1: remember everybody's name. I still remember it well. Or an
Speaker 1: older broadcaster, and my first broadcast ever said kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing. I never let it go. It was
Speaker 1: jet fuel and you know, I mean, the truth is,
Speaker 1: when you're young, I think people think they can intimidate
Speaker 1: younger people, and what they're doing is get doing a
Speaker 1: favor for you. Because young people, I mean, when you're young,
Speaker 1: you've got a mind like a trap, and you're influence.
Speaker 1: I was influenced much more when I was young than
Speaker 1: when I'm older. And so the truth is that had
Speaker 1: such a positive impact on you, probably because it just
Speaker 1: laser focus. Not that you weren't a focused kid, but
Speaker 1: the fact that you remember that story, you probably remember
Speaker 1: the colors, the people, the moment, the time of day.
Speaker 1: It's probably very clear to you. I would guess it's
Speaker 1: clear because it was.
Speaker 2: The first time somebody saying it to my face.
Speaker 3: I mean I had a chip off my shoulder anyway
Speaker 3: for another reason after the Academy, but I won't go
Speaker 3: so much into that.
Speaker 2: So I was already I had this this fire to prove.
Speaker 3: Others but also to myself, and then this guy just
Speaker 3: kind of added some more fuel to what was currently
Speaker 3: going on and just kind of I just remember it,
Speaker 3: and then later on with other people. For the most
Speaker 3: for the general, since I've been racing twelve years, the
Speaker 3: interaction now, it's fine. I have I've earned my stripes,
Speaker 3: I've got receipts, and you know with racing drivers where
Speaker 3: I've earned the respect, that's all sort of good bris Back.
Speaker 2: Then where the movie portrays it was those early years. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was more more difficult. Show that it was interesting,
Speaker 2: interesting times.
Speaker 1: Grand Turismo is the movie. Congratulations on the story, the movie,
Speaker 1: your success. It's a really fun watch and I appreciate
Speaker 1: you joining us.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Pleasure.
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