1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Qost Loft Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen. Right now, Lisa Robinson is showing us. 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: We're on zoom right now. 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 3: She showed me her illustrious record collection, and I'm celebating 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 3: right now. 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 4: Okay, what's behind me is a portion, not all of them, 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 4: of my five thousand hours of interviews, all the original cassettes, 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 4: plus manic backups. Richard did my husband before he died, 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 4: on CD because he didn't believe in the cloud, the 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 4: internet or the computers, so he made backups on two 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 4: or three CDs of every single cassette. Then I had 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 4: to hire an IT guy after Richard died, and he 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 4: copied it onto two different computers, three external hard drives, 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 4: and three backups of the external hard drugs and secure 15 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 4: undisclosed locations. So what's behind me? All the original interviews 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 4: were some of them. 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: I have to say that I've known you about twenty years, 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: and often I have I haven't stayed up at night, 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: but I've definitely wondered, are you properly going to archive 20 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: your your collection, your collection of notes in He told 21 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: me that you have like original hotel notes in stationary. 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have an original questionnaire Michael Jackson toil that 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: when he was eleven that I kept in a safety 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 4: deposit box for years where. 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: He was Is this the infamous one where he called 26 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: himself a nigger? 27 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 4: He wrote? The question was what's your nickname? And he 28 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: said the nose and then he wrote ni g one word, 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: one g er but he crossed that out. 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not I've heard about this or I have 31 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: Where did you hear about it? 32 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: Other than me? Because I have nobody else. 33 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: I know you, so uh okay. 34 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 4: Letters, yeah, letters from Bowie and John Lennon and everybody 35 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: on the planet. And four storage spaces that I spend 36 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars a year in addition to this museum 37 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 4: I'm living in, and an office across the street that 38 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: also houses a lot of shit. And in terms of 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: really properly appraising or archiving it, I've been too busy 40 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 4: trying to earn a living for all these years. I 41 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 4: just haven't had the time. So the audio archives are 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 4: pretty well documented now, they're on a bunch of databases. 43 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 4: The photos I have trunks and trunks and trunks of 44 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: original photos from Bob Grew and Lee Childers, Annie Liebovitz, 45 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 4: Peter Hughes or Maplethorpe. I mean so much stuff that 46 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 4: I never hung any of it up. It's in storage, 47 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: It's in my house and boxes and closets. I actually 48 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 4: have something, maybe you would want it. I was in 49 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 4: Nashville and I was in a thrift store and there 50 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 4: was one of those huge posters of a black barbershop, 51 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 4: you know, the drawings with the fabulous kind of old 52 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: like some girls kind. 53 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: Of wigs it. 54 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: I bought it and I shipped it back to New York. 55 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 4: And this was in two thousand and. 56 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: Four, maybe okay, And. 57 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: I said to friend, what should I do with this? 58 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 4: I was going to either give it to Tony Morrison 59 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: or that an artisan, because they collect that kind of stuff. 60 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 4: And she said, well, I wouldn't display it. It's really 61 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 4: not correct for you to display it. So it's hiding 62 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: somewhere in a closet. It's awesome, though, it is so 63 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 4: great anyway. 64 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I have to properly introduce you, ladies and gentlemen. 65 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: This is quest lof Supreme. I knew the second that 66 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: her mic was on the stories would come. And of 67 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: course the stories came even before I did the proper introduction, 68 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: I will say that our guest, Damn Near is a 69 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: pioneer or invented rock and roll journalism. 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: There was a time in your life where. 71 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: Making a living writing about the lives of rock stars. 72 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: Was a questionable thing. One couldn't make a living off 73 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: of it. So I will say that our. 74 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 3: Guest today is a pioneer in terms of one that 75 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: actually made their full time career kind of journaling. 76 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: The lives of others. 77 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: Name them New Music, Express, Cream Magazine, the New York Post, 78 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: even all the way down to Vanity Fair, if you will. 79 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: She's probably the trusted pla one in the rooms. He's 80 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 3: literally seen everyone and everything. And these types of venterviews 81 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: are my favorite because oftentimes I say that you'll learn more. 82 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: About a subject based on the extra eyes. 83 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 3: In the room, not necessarily the subject themselves. 84 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: So name them from Jagger to Richards to Paige and 85 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: Plant to Bowie, Read Lennon, Ono, Jackson, Bono. I forgot 86 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: what Bono's I forgot what Bono's last name is. 87 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: It's a that's right, Houston. 88 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 2: Paul Houston. That's right. It's like an uncle of my 89 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: I don't recognize any of those names. Did you ever 90 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: meet anybody famous? 91 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: I will say that I highly recommend as far as 92 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: memoirs are concerned, both both of her books, uh No. 93 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: One never asked me about the girls and There Goes Gravity. 94 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: Those are probably two my favorite memoirs. 95 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: I don't know like I. Journalists to me are like 96 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: just as equal rock stars as the actual rock stars himself. 97 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: So please welcome two quest left Supreme Lisa Robinson. Okay, 98 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: what were you saying, Steve? No no, I made my joke. 99 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: Now you made. 100 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: Anyone famous? 101 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: Just for me? All out out out the gate, Lisa. 102 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: For our guests that might not be familiar with your 103 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: your pedigree and your history, could you please give me 104 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: three random historical I was there moments that that come 105 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: come to mind? You know this gives you a. 106 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 4: Chance Led Zeppelin when it to a manager pulled out 107 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 4: a gun. 108 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: Oh, I was on the other end of the Peter 109 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: Grant he pulled out a gun. 110 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 4: It was Richard Cole. Anyway, I was. 111 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: Well, wait, wait, you can't just glide by that. 112 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 4: You just asked the three random You want me to 113 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 4: tell you the whole story? 114 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: We'd be on for that's what we know. 115 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: No hold on a second. Let me just say something. Yes, 116 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: I'm doing a serious radio show by the way, Serious 117 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: XM starting tomorrow night from seven to eight pm. And 118 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: it's called Call Me with Lisa Robinson. Because, as you know, 119 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 4: I'm still in an old BlackBerry. I only know how 120 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 4: to text on it. 121 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and I. 122 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: Like people to actually call me at any rate. Okay, 123 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: so that's one. 124 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: The Texas instruments in business. That's that much, I'll. 125 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 4: Say the second, I am worldwide West. Who's with the 126 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: Knicks now? My favorite team? Are the only people I 127 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: know who still use a BlackBerry? Anyway, back to the 128 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: three random incidents, let me think I can't think of 129 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: just three out of thousands. But okay, the LED's up 130 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 4: room of the gun, Michael Jackson calling me on the 131 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: phone crying that he did not want to tour with 132 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 4: his brothers in nineteen eighty on that victory tour, I 133 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: eighty four CE. You're the scholar. I don't remember all 134 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: the dates, okay, So oh man, I don't want to 135 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 4: talk about the time Mick Jagger had to borrow my 136 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: underpants because he lost his jockstrap. But I guess backwards, right, 137 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: that's been well documented. Here's the point, I just want 138 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: to say two things. You said all the people that 139 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 4: I had interviewed, and or you started to talk about Bowie, 140 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 4: Lou Reed, the stone Zeppelin, Michael Jackson, et cetera. You 141 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 4: mentioned one woman, Yoko Ono. The reason I wrote nobody 142 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 4: ever asked me about the girls is because I had 143 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: interviewed Tina Turner, Joni Mitchell, Mary j Blige, Linda Ronstadt, 144 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 4: I mean, everybody after Jennie Stoplin. Thank god it was 145 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 4: someone before my time. And the point is I always 146 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: had to answer questions like what's Eminem really like? What's 147 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 4: cunning like? I mean, you know you probably get the 148 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: same thing, or what was John Lennon really like? Or 149 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: what was David Bowie really like? And I finally got 150 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 4: to the point after having written There Goes Gravity, which 151 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 4: was mostly all about guys except for one chapter on 152 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 4: Lady Garda, I thought it's about time I started dealing 153 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 4: with the women. So that was one thing I just 154 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: wanted to clarify. And the other thing is when you 155 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: said that I was a pioneer at a time when 156 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: no one was making a living writing about rock and 157 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 4: roll musicians or a popular culture. We still don't make 158 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 4: a living and do it matter? So I just like 159 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 4: to clarify that, for the record, we were having too 160 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: much fun. Nobody was talking about money. Nobody was thinking 161 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: about that. In the seventies, I would make like forty 162 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 4: dollars a week from a syndicated column or editing Hip 163 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 4: Parado with my husband, or going on tour with Zeppelin, 164 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 4: and the Stones are hanging out and CBGB's every night, 165 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 4: and I thought this was great. I mean, we were 166 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: in a rent control department. I'm still in a rent 167 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: stabilized apartment, same one. We moved into a nineteen seventy 168 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: six and it's like a museum. I never decorated it. 169 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 4: It's just full of books and records and interviews and 170 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 4: some memorabilia that I don't trust to leave in Manhattan 171 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: mini storage. But it just was different time. It was like, also, Amir, 172 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 4: you know you grew up in this business. I mean, 173 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 4: I even think I saw as a kid Lee Andrews 174 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 4: and the Hearts. I don't know, maybe at the Brooklyn 175 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 4: Fox or one of those places I snuck out of 176 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: my house as a teenager to go see Thelonious Monk 177 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 4: of the five Spot or on Coltrane or Anito O'Day 178 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: and Stan Getz at the Village Vanguard, but also to 179 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: go to those early rock and roll shows at the 180 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: Brooklyn Fox Theater. I don't remember going to the Apollo, 181 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 4: but I do remember going to the Apollo much later 182 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 4: when I was teaching school in Harlem in the sixties. 183 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 4: But I grew up with all this music. I used 184 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 4: to listen to it under the covers with the transistor radio, 185 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 4: you know that old cliche, And it just made me 186 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 4: feel like there was a great, sexy, interesting world out there, 187 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 4: and I was a fan. And I grew up in 188 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 4: a left wing household that played Led Belly and Woody Gothrie. 189 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 4: And I knew about Mama Mae Thornton and sister I 190 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 4: was Ota Thorpe, and you know a lot of stuff 191 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 4: that no other journalists. When I was starting out, knew 192 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 4: about extept From my husband, who was on WAWFM when 193 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 4: it was nineteen sixty nine free form music. And I 194 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: heard his voice in the middle of the night. He 195 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 4: was on the graveyard shift, and I thought, A he 196 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: had a very sexy voice, and B he played unbelievable music. 197 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 4: And he got fired five times. The first time was 198 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 4: they're playing music what they called unfamiliar music, which was 199 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 4: can Tina Turner, Tina Turner and Vanetta Field's doing a 200 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 4: battle on something got a hold on me. I'll never 201 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 4: forget it. Pp Arnold doing first cut is the deepest 202 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 4: Curtis Mayfield and the impressions because he also worked at Buddha. 203 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 4: So so yeah. So Richard got fired for playing unfamiliar music, 204 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 4: which was black music. Then they hired him back again 205 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: because he was like the house tippy, and he got 206 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: fired for playing Jimmy Hendrickson's star spangled banner because they 207 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 4: told him it was unpatriotic. Then they hired him again, 208 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 4: and I think he played the stooges and the velvets, 209 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 4: but like really, you know, some of the sicker stuff 210 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 4: like I want to be your dog, or Heroin or 211 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 4: white light, white heat, or just kind of noise stuff. 212 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: They fired him again, and I think the last time 213 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 4: they hired him he just went on the air, flush 214 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 4: the toilet and walked off. And so this was my 215 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 4: introduction to the music business. I went to work for 216 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: him doing his smiling. Five months later we got married. 217 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 4: He turned one of his columns over to me in England. 218 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 4: And that's kind of how it started. He opened a 219 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 4: door and I barged through. 220 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 2: What I'll say is based on. 221 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: You know, I've collected a lot of old periodicals and 222 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: all those things, so I've seen your work, you know. 223 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,239 Speaker 3: I'll say that the difference between your brand of documenting 224 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 3: a moment was way different than say, you know, the 225 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: Beatles with land in America in the sixties and have 226 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: a press conference like at the airport or at the hotel, 227 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: people have random questions. It's like audio CrowdWork whatever. But 228 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: your brand work, how did you know that? I mean, 229 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: it's somewhere between like page you know, I know that 230 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: you've done in depth Q and A interviews as well, 231 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: but you know, you doing quick takes like you know, 232 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: Bowie hung out at Maxis Kansas City and he wore 233 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: a leopard T shirt. Like people weren't describing like what 234 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: people were wearing or any of those things. 235 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: Like you you were like the precursor at like page six. 236 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: So how did you even know? 237 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 4: I don't know about page six, but maybe MTV and 238 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: fashion and style. 239 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea of it right, Well. 240 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 4: First of all, thank god, the Beatles were before my time. 241 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 4: Something else before my time, but I never asked a 242 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 4: question at a press conference because I always ask more 243 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: interesting questions and I didn't want anybody else getting the 244 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: answers all the quo Kanye. Kanye had a listening party 245 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 4: once for which is the album is a late Graduation 246 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 4: that John Bryan produced with WE Major and gold Digger 247 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 4: on it. 248 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: The second one. 249 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 4: Anyway, you had a listening party for that with a 250 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 4: whole bunch of press in the room, and Jay was there, 251 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 4: and I'm friendly with John Brian and I knew he 252 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: produced the record, and I had met Conye several times 253 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 4: through John, and when they played WE Major, I went 254 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: ballistic because to his day, I still think it's the 255 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 4: best thing he's ever done. But it was like a 256 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: Phil Specter symphony, and I just went crazy. So I 257 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 4: had to ask a question, and I raised my hand 258 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 4: and Jay went on, he has a question. He says 259 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 4: a question, and I said, how many tracks are on 260 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 4: WE Major? And they had no idea, They didn't know, 261 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: they didn't know the answer, and so they started calling 262 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: me the stumper. For a long time. Actually, Jay started 263 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 4: calling me. He kept calling me Stumper, and I went 264 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 4: home and called John Brian, who told me that he 265 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 4: got it from some kidne Agar Archer made a loop 266 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: of it. At any rate, what I did as a 267 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 4: journalist from the jump was I was interested in their lives, 268 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: their music. I mean, when I met Jimmy Page, I 269 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 4: would talk to him about Muddy Waters and Holm Wolf 270 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: and Elmore James and Willie Dixon, who they ripped off allegedly, 271 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: although I think they had to pay. Well. I get 272 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 4: very nervous about that. So you know, it's like a 273 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 4: deesu is a maryle thing allegedly allegedly allegedly anyway, So 274 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 4: so and I. But I'd also talked to Robert Plant 275 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 4: about Fairport Convention and Kaleidoscope and Incredible String Band and 276 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 4: Jenny Mitchell because I grew up the same loving the 277 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 4: same music they did, and I I didn't love a 278 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 4: lot of the folks stuff so much then I grew 279 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: to I did like the Incredible String Band, but on Kaleidoscope. 280 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 4: But I would talk to them about their musical taste. 281 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 4: I would write about their clothes. I mean, I'll never 282 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 4: forget when I was in New Orleans with those guys 283 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 4: the first time I ever interviewed them lengthily. Robert was 284 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 4: wearing a red Nilon speedo bikini parading around the pool. 285 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 4: Parading is the only word I could use for it. 286 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 4: And Jimmy Page was wearing a maroon velvet jacket in 287 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 4: eighty three degree weather, and I remember writing that it 288 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 4: was sweltering at eighty three degree weather, so some of 289 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 4: the climate change that was nineteen seventy three. Anyway, I 290 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 4: just started talking to them about music. I started talking 291 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 4: about their clothes. And this was a time that people 292 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: don't know they were written about as a heavy, cheesy, 293 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 4: heavy metal band. Every male journalist, every one of my 294 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 4: so called colleagues who threatened to quit Cream magazine when 295 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 4: I started to do a column called Elaganza, which was 296 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 4: named after a black pimp catalog, and it was all 297 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 4: about clothes, and all these guys threatened to leave the 298 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 4: magazine because they said it was decadent. I shouldn't be 299 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 4: writing about clothes. This was the alternative culture. This was 300 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 4: the revolution. I mean, this is in Detroit, by the way, 301 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 4: where the White Panthers and John Sinclair were sitting around 302 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: a table plotting revolution while the women were in the 303 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 4: kitchen cooking. So I would just love to make that 304 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 4: point about the MC five even though they were a 305 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 4: great band. However, I would always talk to these guys 306 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 4: just on a level of mutual musician fandom and asked 307 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 4: them about their lives. I didn't review their records, I 308 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 4: didn't review their concerts. I didn't do any boring analysis 309 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 4: shit about their lyrics. And I just think they were relieved. 310 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 4: I mean again, this was at a time when John 311 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 4: Mendelssohn wrote in Rolling Stone about the lemon song that 312 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 4: was on a Zeppelin I think the first album, maybe 313 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 4: the second, and he said Robert Plant sings notes only 314 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 4: a dog come here. And if I remember that from 315 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy three, you can be certain that Robert Plant 316 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 4: remembers it. And Jimmy would bitch about the reviews all 317 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 4: the time, and I would just say, I don't give 318 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 4: a shit about reviews. You don't understand. Your music is majestic. 319 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 4: You combine the hard knocking of folk music and Eastern 320 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 4: stuff and all the scort and years from now your 321 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 4: music will be remembered, and those magazines and newspapers will 322 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 4: wrap fish. And sure enough, now Red Zepplin is considered 323 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 4: one of the greatest. I means eggs All on Main 324 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 4: Street was panned. It was my favorite Rolling Stones record 325 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 4: panned when it first came out. So I think part 326 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 4: of the reason that I have the access to these 327 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 4: bands was a I was a woman, but I was 328 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 4: not sleeping with them, and I was not taking drugs 329 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: with them. I was newly married. Richard was much cuter 330 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 4: than any of them were anyway, and smarter. And when 331 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 4: I first met Mick Jagger, the first thing I said 332 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: to him was those of the tackiest shoes I've ever seen, 333 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 4: because he was wearing some sort of sequin Papagallo encrusted shoes. 334 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: It was backstage at an Ever Captain concert, and you 335 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 4: know that was refreshing to them. People would meet McJagger 336 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 4: and they'd be like intimidated. I was from New York. 337 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 4: I wasn't intimidated. 338 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: Well, okay, so what I want to know is, obviously 339 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 3: you're from even though you're of the time, you were 340 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 3: clearly thinking future generation. Case in point, like prints opening 341 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: for the Stones in La even though he himself is 342 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 3: a baby boomer, his music and his presentations for Generation Next, 343 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: it's for what's next. So obviously you know you you 344 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: were for thinking who were the other women in that era? 345 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: That was documenting. I know that. 346 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: You know, you spoke of a time where you and 347 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: and fran Leewoods came up together on that the Stones tour, 348 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: But like, were there you. 349 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: Mean the photographer not friend? Was not? 350 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: Not? 351 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 3: No, I said, I said, friend, forgive me Annie boy, 352 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: I know corrected an. 353 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: Annie had already been a rolling Stone. So Annie had 354 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 4: already established her reputation as a photographer when she was 355 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 4: a rolling Stone. We started working together on the nineteen 356 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 4: seventy five Stones tour. 357 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: Before cocks Sucker Blues or that was during. 358 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 4: That tour where or was that the big fallas coming 359 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 4: up from the Butterfly stage. Yeah. And also we kept 360 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 4: thinking every city we went to that they were going 361 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: to get arrested for singing starfucker. Imagine. I'm trying to 362 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 4: remember other things that, Oh god, there's so much that 363 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 4: went on on that tour. I remember mixing to me 364 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 4: at the time that he couldn't get a pill. This 365 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 4: is a little gross, but he said, you can't get 366 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: a pill for diarrhea, but you can walk into any 367 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 4: store and buy a gun. And this was in nineteen 368 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 4: seventy five, and I had no idea that you could 369 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 4: walk into a store in the South and buy a gun. 370 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 4: I'm from New York City. I'm from the Upper West 371 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 4: Side of Manhattan. I'd never seen a gun until I 372 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 4: saw it on that plane with Zeppelin. But it was 373 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: I mean, we weren't pour underground. Atlanta had a Less 374 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 4: Dramatics store where they sold less dramatics memorabilia. I mean, 375 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 4: it just was such a different time. It was like, 376 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: for those who don't know, Lester Matos was the racist governor, 377 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 4: governor or Georgia or something, or mayor of Atlanta or 378 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 4: some political person very much like Lindsey Graham or somebody today, 379 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 4: only worse, I mean, more, well more whatever. I'm not 380 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 4: going to say it, that would be an allegedly defamator. 381 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: We found anything out else about. 382 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 4: No, I know, I know, but I'm not going to 383 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 4: say it. Anyway. 384 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: The bottom line is I yeah, he was the governor. 385 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 4: Uh yeah. So I was sort of a conduit between 386 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: a lot of these guys, like Richard was at RCAA 387 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 4: records and convinced them to sign David Bowie, Lou Reid 388 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: and the Kinks. So I introduced David Bowie when he 389 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 4: came to America to Lou Reed and to Iggy Pop, 390 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 4: both of whom he was very inspired by. Let's put 391 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 4: it that way, I am, I came to my house. 392 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 4: They hung out and reduced to come to my house 393 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 4: because Richard produced his first album, although it really he 394 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 4: did not do well because Lou was a mess at 395 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 4: the time and it was a very checkered situation. But 396 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 4: then Low and Richard didn't talk for years, but then 397 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 4: Luke called him back and asked him to co produce 398 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 4: Street Castle with him, which is a great record. And 399 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 4: so because of our friendship with Lou, or my friendship 400 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 4: with Patti Smith, or my going on the Stones tour, 401 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 4: or John Lennon and Yoko letting me in their house 402 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 4: from nineteen seventy five to eighty to do interviews, Bowie 403 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 4: would say to me, what's Mick Jagger doing? And Nick 404 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 4: Jagger would say to me, don't tell that idea to 405 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 4: Bowie because he'll steal it. Or John Lennon would say 406 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 4: to me, I just turned stairway to Heaven. Tell Robert 407 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 4: Plant it's great. And then I would tell that to 408 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 4: Robert Plant and he'd say he only heard it now. 409 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 4: I mean, it was like I was friends with Brian Ferry, 410 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 4: when he was living with Jerry Hall and she was 411 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: dating and I put quotes around that Mick Jagger, and 412 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 4: I never said a word about it. Because here's the 413 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 4: other thing. I was like a fly on the wall. 414 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 4: I would not take note in front of people. If 415 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 4: we were doing a real interview, i'd have my tape 416 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 4: recorders on. You've seen them, the analog tape recorders. Yes, machine, 417 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 4: I have three of them right behind. 418 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: Have I ever producted an interview like digitally? Or they all. 419 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 4: Hold on, this is really actually, We'll do this tangent 420 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 4: for a second. Then I'll get back to the why 421 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 4: these guys and these women trusted me. When I first 422 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 4: interviewed John Mann and I went with one analog tape 423 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 4: recorder sony cassette, and the tape fucked up. So he 424 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 4: let me go back the next day and do it again. 425 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 4: So from that day on in nineteen seventy whenever it was, 426 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 4: when did they first move to New York, I don't know. 427 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 4: It was around seventy two, seventy three. Yeah, From that 428 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 4: day on, I always took three tape recorders, and one 429 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 4: of them I would have an external mic, two of them, 430 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 4: not inevitably one of the three would screw up, but 431 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: at least I had two, so I had a backup. 432 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: Right when I first interviewed Beyonce in two thousand and 433 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: four or five, when was the last Destiny show, I 434 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 4: think it was two thousand and five, when she was 435 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 4: on Cover Fair. Yeah, So she looked at my setup 436 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 4: and she just, very politely, because she's very charming, said 437 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 4: did you ever think of moving up to digital? And 438 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 4: I wasn't even embarrassed. I just thought, oh, digital, I 439 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 4: don't know, probably now. And then I went home and 440 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 4: I said, Richard, maybe I should get a digital tape 441 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 4: recorder because people are making fun of me, and so 442 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 4: a lot of digital tape. He got a digital tape recorder. 443 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 4: He made a diagram for me that was literally like 444 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 4: in crayons, as if it were for a five year old, 445 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 4: with like step one, step two, do this, do that, 446 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 4: press play color coded on the god damn thing. And 447 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 4: when I first interviewed Lady Gaga and Ten at the 448 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 4: Beverly Hills Hotel, I very proudly brought out the digital 449 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 4: tape recorder along with my free analog cassette and guess 450 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 4: which one didn't work? 451 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 2: The digital digital? 452 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 4: You know, somebody says, sit with what you know. I've 453 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: stuck with what I know. But back to being a 454 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 4: fly on the wall with these guys and these women 455 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 4: and whoever I interviewed, and much later on, I always 456 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 4: respected people's private lives. You have to remember there were 457 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 4: no there was no cell phones, no Internet, no Instagram, 458 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: no everybody with a telephone with a picture with a camera. 459 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 5: Right. 460 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 4: So these guys, especially the Zeppelin, who had wives and 461 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 4: children back in England, had us girlfriends, let's put it 462 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 4: that way. These were groupees, and some of them were 463 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 4: really their girlfriends. Yes, And I thought, I'm not going 464 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 4: to write about this. They've got wives and kids back 465 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 4: in England and it's really none of my fucking business, 466 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 4: and it's nobody else's business either. And I think in 467 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: that way I was trusted, not because I was writing 468 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 4: like puff pieces about them or anything. I just was 469 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 4: respectful and not invasive. To the point I may add 470 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 4: where I was so respectful and not invasive that I 471 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 4: toured a lot with Elton John. Of course I knew 472 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 4: he was gay. He was showing me his handbag collection, 473 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: for God's sakes, and I mean we were friends, but 474 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 4: he wasn't out, and I was not about to out him, 475 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 4: whereas somebody else might have done that, but then they 476 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 4: never would have seen him again. 477 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: So then during his prime that he was out or 478 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: it was just like no, no, this. 479 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: Was way before and before he even married that woman Renato, 480 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 4: who was his engineer. This was in the early seventies, 481 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 4: and I'd be on the plane with him and we'd 482 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 4: be screaming and having found instrig and I, you know, 483 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: we just talked very comfortably with each other. I mean, 484 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 4: I can't explain it. I think in one way this 485 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: is going to sound braggy, but it's not that I 486 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 4: think I was more sophisticated than a lot of the 487 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 4: rock journalists. I was from New York. None of them 488 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 4: had gone to see Pilonius Monk at the Vice, but 489 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 4: I can assure you not at the age I anyway. 490 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 4: And I just had a different kind of confidence and 491 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 4: I wasn't cowed by any of this, and I just 492 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 4: respected people's private lives. And if somebody told me something 493 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 4: is off the record, it was off the record to 494 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 4: this day. 495 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: And can I ask you something, Yeah, you don't have 496 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: to tell a story. You don't have to tell a name, 497 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: But I'm just curious how many secrets will go to 498 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: your grave that you like will never admit to the world. Well, 499 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: I know in general you won't admit it because you 500 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: just said, well. 501 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: Here's the thing. Now, I'll tell you here's the thing. 502 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: How many? How many secrets? The finish? We know that 503 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder is not blind? Like how many secrets? 504 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 4: Although when I did talk to Stevie Wonder and we 505 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 4: were in the studio and I told him I had 506 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 4: an analog cassette recorders. 507 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: He said, now I was still a good like he 508 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 3: knew what side one inside two was at the cassette Nobody. 509 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 4: Took me into his kitchen, opened the cabinet, pulled out 510 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 4: from the top shelf a DT recorder and gave it 511 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 4: to me. I still have it in the packaging in 512 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 4: one of my storage spaces because Stevie Wonder gave it 513 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 4: to me. 514 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: I'm not going to muse it. 515 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 4: And then I ran into him and mister Charles last 516 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 4: year and I went up to him and I said, 517 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 4: I'm Lisa Robinson from Vanity Fair. Do you remember when 518 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 4: Annie and I came to photography and you gave me 519 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 4: that machine? He went, yeah, that DT machine. So you know, 520 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: I was watching Hustlers the other night, and I know 521 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 4: there is a line in there where Jennifer Lopez says, 522 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 4: I swear to god, Stevie Wonder came into the club. 523 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 4: He's not blind. I mean, why would someone pretend to 524 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 4: be blind? Come on. 525 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: Marketing? How many secrets will you carry? Here? 526 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 4: There are certain people who have passed away that now 527 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 4: I feel like I can say certain things about Okay, 528 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 4: I mean I won't mention all the names. But when 529 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 4: Sign of the Times came out, I went to hear 530 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 4: it at a musician's apartment. He had an advanced pressing 531 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 4: and he kept looking at me to see what I thought, 532 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 4: And of course I was blown away, I mean blown away. 533 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 4: And he said to me about another rock star. He 534 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: said to me, this is Mick talking. He the other 535 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 4: rock star said to me, if he was white, we'd 536 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 4: all be in trouble and out of business. Now. I 537 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 4: don't know if that's been printed anywhere, and people know 538 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 4: who said it to your own. I don't know that 539 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 4: I would write that, because those two guys are still alive. 540 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 4: Prince isn't. But I did tell him that, and I 541 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 4: told him that at his house, and I told him 542 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 4: several times that he was an unbelievably underrated guitar player. 543 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 4: And he said, why don't you write that? I said, 544 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 4: why don't you let me interview you with a tape 545 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 4: recorder and I'll write whatever you want. You can take 546 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 4: me taping you. I mean I did that a little 547 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 4: bit with Kendrick. You know, sometimes in order to make 548 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 4: somebody feel comfortable, I would say things like, listen, if 549 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 4: you're really nervous about something and you think I'm going 550 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: to misquote you, although I won't because I transcribed every 551 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 4: single one of my interviews myself in Longhand and I 552 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 4: never would missay. I'm the only journalist I trust. Let's 553 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 4: put it that way. I don't like journalists. I don't 554 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 4: trust many of them, if any. And what I went 555 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 4: through in the early seventies with all those guys trying 556 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 4: to blackpool me, I mean the other women that were around. 557 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 4: Lillian Roxon, who wrote the Rock Encyclopedia, was my best 558 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 4: friend at the time. She was a very brilliant Bohemian 559 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 4: Australian woman and she died in nineteen seventy three. Glorias Davers, 560 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 4: who edited sixteen magazine. She also died in nineteen eighty three. 561 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 4: I think she edited sixteen magazine. But before sixteen Magazine 562 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 4: she was a Norman Morel, very high fashion designer model. 563 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 4: In the forties, she dated Lenny Bruce. She dated Jim Morrison. 564 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 4: I'm not sure dated is the right word, but whatever, 565 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 4: those were the only women who were my mentors. The 566 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 4: rest of the women writing about music were critics. There 567 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 4: was Ellen Willison New Yorker. There was Janet Maslim from 568 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 4: the Boston Phoenix. There was Ellen Sander from Life magazine, 569 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 4: and they reviewed things. They were critics. They didn't do interviews, 570 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 4: so I would do interviews with the tape on. Then 571 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 4: I would also hang out with them at after hours clubs, 572 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 4: at parties when they rehearsed in rehearsal studios in people's bedrooms, 573 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 4: like Earl mcgrathe used to have parties in New York, 574 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 4: and the Stones would rehearse with Thereic Claptain and Ronnie Wood. 575 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 4: One night in that room, I remember Annie taking pictures. 576 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 4: I would go out to the Andy Warhol's compound Inhampton's 577 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 4: where they were staying before the seventy five tour. I 578 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 4: would go I took Michael Jackson to the Studio fifty four, 579 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 4: the first time he ever went. I took the Clash 580 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,959 Speaker 4: to Studio fifty four. I got the Clash their record deal. 581 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 4: I got Elvis Costello's record deal. I never made a 582 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 4: dime from this. I was so stupid. I never thought 583 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 4: about money. I mean, we didn't think about money. We 584 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 4: were having fun. We were young. It was the seventies 585 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 4: and I was getting to see all these cons so 586 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 4: it's for free, and prior to that I had to 587 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 4: pay to gopha concert. We were get along the albums 588 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 4: for free. 589 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 2: Since you were there when it was rebel music. And 590 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: then it's slowly more. I guess one could say that 591 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: that seventy five tour of the Stones was sorted them 592 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: becoming the seeds of what we now know is the 593 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 2: Rolling Stones more like an institution and less about, you know, 594 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: the Hydrid Daughters, rock rebels that are coming to town 595 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: to pillage. But when do you consider what was the 596 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 2: year that you saw This is now a business, not 597 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: just you know, rock and rolls. 598 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 4: I saw it. I saw it right from the beginning. 599 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 4: I saw it with led Zeppelin when I went to 600 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 4: see them in Jacksonville in July nineteen seventy three, and 601 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 4: they played to an eighty thousand seat stadium. 602 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 6: I have a different question, Leicster Bangs. Yeah, can you 603 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 6: tell our audience about Lester Bangs? 604 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 3: I was going to say, of your contemporaries, I guess 605 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 3: Lester has this. 606 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 2: You know, the cooler than the our you know, you know, 607 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 2: jaded critic. Was the legend bigger than what? Do you actually? 608 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, yes, yes, the myth was greater than was 609 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 4: drunk Leicester was okay. Richard, my husband was first working 610 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 4: for Buddhen Records, and then he was working for our 611 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 4: SAA records, so he had expense accounts. So even though 612 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 4: we were living in a rent control department and we 613 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 4: didn't have a lot of money, he had an expense account. 614 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 4: So I would order Chinese food and we would feed 615 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 4: and entertain these unbelievably what's the word I used in 616 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 4: my book, I don't know. It was a thankless test, 617 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 4: let's put it that way. A lot of these guys 618 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 4: would come and sleep on our sofa. I felt like 619 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 4: we were people said we have this salon. We did 620 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 4: not have a salon. We had a homeless shelter. I mean, 621 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 4: Dave marsh would come in from Detroit and sleep on 622 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 4: our sofa. Lenny k lived there for almost a year 623 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 4: on our Florida living room. You know. John Landa would 624 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 4: come in from Boston when he was writing at the 625 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 4: Phoenix before he discovered the future of rock and roll 626 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 4: in his name was Bruce Springsteen. Richard Meltzer and Lester 627 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 4: Bangs were there a lot. Richard Meltzer was the real deal. 628 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 4: He was a better writer, he was smarter, he was crazy. 629 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 4: Lester was drunk. And Lester was also crazy and drunk 630 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 4: and obnoxious. Quite frankly, I mean, the myth in many 631 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 4: of these things was greater than the reality. He has 632 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 4: been lying so much, not in a small part by 633 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 4: Cameron Crowe and that movie. But I only remember the 634 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 4: drunken nights when we had to like whisper, like how 635 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 4: we're going to get Lester out of here, you know? 636 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 4: Or Richard Meltzer would be walking around with his shirt 637 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 4: off in a bottle of scotch. And I don't know 638 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 4: he's still somewhere alive writing and I haven't read him recently, 639 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 4: but to me, he was the real thing. And Lester 640 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,720 Speaker 4: got all of the credit and I don't know whether 641 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 4: he emulated Richard, but Richard was much more interesting and 642 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 4: insightful I felt anyway. 643 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 3: So I have my observations in hip hop journalism when 644 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 3: I saw the shift occur, where like people who I 645 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 3: truly respected for their opinions were writing about music as 646 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 3: opposed to now unknown the intern from four years ago 647 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 3: now getting their cover story, you know, just like you know, 648 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 3: the the level of hip hop journalism has gone to 649 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,240 Speaker 3: shit in my opinion. 650 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 2: But for you, when when was music or rock journalism 651 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 2: at its at its at its best in your opinion? 652 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 2: And when did you notice that there's a shift? You know, 653 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: do you guys? 654 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 3: And in terms of no, no, just in terms of 655 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 3: really giving a good story oftentimes like okay, I know 656 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 3: that if like say today Pitchfork, sometimes they'll pan in 657 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 3: an album just to impress their contemporaries to you know, 658 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 3: in that Lester Bangs way where you're not writing your 659 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 3: honest opinion about something you want to do a performative. 660 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 4: Well it might have been his honest opinion. I mean, 661 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 4: he had very many run ins with you read I 662 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 4: don't really Here's the thing, I never read this. I 663 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 4: don't know I did what I did because I wanted 664 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 4: to read what I wanted to read. I mean, Tony 665 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 4: Morrison always said, write the book you want to read, 666 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 4: it's like, or write the book that you want to write, 667 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 4: or whatever. I don't know. Listen, when the Roots started 668 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 4: playing instruments, why did you do that? Hip hop bands 669 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 4: weren't playing instruments. You did that? Why because you wanted 670 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 4: to hear a band that was doing hip hop play 671 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 4: instruments or doing rap play instruments. I did what I 672 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 4: did because nobody else was doing it, So I mean 673 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 4: I never even thought about it. I just did it. 674 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 4: And I really didn't read a lot of that stuff. 675 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever looked at Patlarch in my life. 676 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 4: I didn't look complex. I didn't look at I maybe 677 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 4: looked at the Vibe and the Source and Rolling Stone 678 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 4: a little bit, but I never really read Rolling Stone 679 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 4: because I didn't like the person who owned it, and 680 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 4: I didn't like the way women were treated in that office. 681 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 4: And it is really a badge of honor as far 682 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 4: as I'm concerned. And I never wrote for them. And 683 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 4: I'm being really blunt and frank with you. I'll probably 684 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 4: get a lot of haters about a lot of this stuff, 685 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 4: But I just I didn't really read it. I read 686 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 4: Cream Magazine a little bit. I mean I read my 687 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 4: husband's column. He did a Rewire Yourself years before anybody 688 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 4: was writing about technology. He wrote a book called The 689 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 4: Video Primer. Richard said two things that stick out in 690 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 4: my mind that is so brilliant. One was everybody kept 691 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 4: saying in the seventies, who's the ex Beatles? Who's an 692 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 4: ex Beatles? Rich band is going to be the next Beatles? 693 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 4: And Richard said, the next Beatles is going to be 694 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 4: a machine. This was in nineteen seventy one. Okay, so 695 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 4: that's who I was married to. He also said about musicians, 696 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 4: because one minute we were managing some musicians, which really 697 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 4: was not a smart move. But he always said managing 698 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 4: an act is like running backwards holding up a mirror. 699 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 4: So you know, I just didn't read this stuff. So 700 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 4: I can't say when I think it shifted, if it 701 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 4: did shift what I read I read. I don't know 702 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 4: what did I read rock journalism. I'm not really because 703 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 4: nobody was doing what I was interested in. I was 704 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 4: doing what I was interested in, And I'm not saying 705 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 4: that to Sam conceited or anything, because a lot of 706 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 4: people weren't interested in what I was running about. But 707 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 4: I was much more interested in the human side, and 708 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 4: I wasn't seeing that in too many places, certainly not 709 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 4: when I started, and I'm not even sure now. 710 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 5: I mean, I occasionally read a profile in the New 711 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 5: York Times magazine section about somebody I'm interested in, and 712 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 5: I'll stop halfway through because it just so long. 713 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I also feel leave somebody wanting more. You know. 714 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 4: It's like I take it as the biggest compliment when 715 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 4: I've done cover stories and Vanity Fair and people have 716 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 4: said to me, oh my god, I wish it was longer. Job. 717 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 4: That's how I feel. 718 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 3: My final question to you is with with the life 719 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 3: that you you lived in all of your archives and 720 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 3: memories and whatnot, are you actively trying to seek. 721 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 2: I feel like the next step for you is is 722 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 2: basically either as a movie or as a series like 723 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 2: a Netflix series. 724 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're this this is a no brainer. Has 725 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 3: has anyone who approached you about you know? 726 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 4: The couple of people who have, I wouldn't want to 727 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 4: really work with you, want to do something, I'll do 728 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 4: something with you. I mean I'm serious. I don't know. 729 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 4: I think between now and I don't know what I 730 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 4: want to do. I do want to place all this stuff. 731 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I want to sell it because I need 732 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 4: the money, but I also want to place all this 733 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 4: stuff with people who love it. That's why I first 734 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 4: talked to you about the albums here, because I don't 735 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,240 Speaker 4: want to see these albums go to some record store 736 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 4: in Brooklyn where somebody's going to buy one of this 737 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 4: and three of that and two it. I just want 738 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 4: the collection to be with someone who loves it. You know. 739 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 4: Q Tip actually did make his way over here one 740 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 4: night to look at them, and he started looking up 741 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 4: every album and appraising it and figuring out the prices, 742 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 4: and then he said, I'm sending my assistant back to 743 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 4: see you next week and we're going to do this. 744 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 4: And that was no, that was one, two, three, three 745 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 4: and a half years ago. 746 00:44:52,920 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 2: I think that's what I said. I'm coming over there 747 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 2: to scoop them. 748 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 4: Okay, after I get my second vaccine shot. I have 749 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 4: never been so happy in my life when I lowered 750 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,359 Speaker 4: the age and I'm old enough finally to get this vaccine. 751 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 4: But honestly, I want the archives, the tapes. I do 752 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,240 Speaker 4: want it to go, maybe to an institution where people 753 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 4: can listen to it and study it and learn from it, 754 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,280 Speaker 4: or do a series of podcasts, or do a series 755 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 4: of documentaries. I don't know. The problem is I always 756 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,959 Speaker 4: was too busy just earning a living and getting through 757 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 4: every day. And now starting this serious radio show, which 758 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 4: is just once a week, I'll be able to talk, 759 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 4: which I love in writing. I don't know if I 760 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 4: want to write another book. I don't know. I don't 761 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 4: know who else I want to interview. I mean, you 762 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 4: talk about how did I know the future of rock 763 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,399 Speaker 4: and roll with CBGB's I didn't. I just was there 764 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 4: when it happened and it just seemed right. It was fun. 765 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 4: If I had been able to predict the future, first 766 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 4: of all, as Friendly for It says, I would pick 767 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 4: better a lot of tickets. But also I would have 768 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 4: known about hip hop before I did, because that's inexcusable 769 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 4: that I was living in New York City and I 770 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,439 Speaker 4: didn't even know that this was going on for quite 771 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 4: a while. Because as I said, it's still the music 772 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 4: that it's on my iPod, that in Frank Sinatra and 773 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 4: some Florio's Mark Andero corner. 774 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,760 Speaker 2: Wow, well, thank. 775 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 4: You, Steve. You wanted to ask me something? 776 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, why why aren't you just airing these 777 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 6: these legendary interviews that you have as as complete as 778 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 6: a podcast as a podcast? 779 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, well because somebody hasn't made me the right offer yet. 780 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 6: When they do, I will because that's yeah. 781 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 4: I mean the show I'm doing for serious is just 782 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 4: a call and show because I wanted to do something 783 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 4: like Steven A. 784 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 2: Smith. 785 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 4: Does you know I wanted people. 786 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 2: Calling in like sports, but for music. 787 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 4: Well he does that for sports, I'm going to do 788 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 4: it for music. Gla. I could do it for basketball too. 789 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,320 Speaker 4: I could name you the starting five on all thirty teams. 790 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 2: You know what they say, no one loves the Knicks 791 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 2: more than you do. 792 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm one of those long man. 793 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 2: So I know you're happy about three wins in a 794 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 2: row that they had. 795 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 4: Come on. At least they're competitive, at least it's watchable. 796 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 4: It's not like it was. Julius Ramball is good. I 797 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 4: love him Manual quickly, and don't even get me started 798 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,879 Speaker 4: on the new Jersey nets because that's the whole other thing. 799 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 2: Well, Lisa, we thank you. 800 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 3: We've been trying to make this happen for years. I'm 801 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 3: proud that you got your technology set. 802 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 4: Up on just to be able to do zoom. Yeah, 803 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 4: thank you. 804 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 2: I have to hire an. 805 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 4: IT guy to do that. 806 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, I thought I was going to look at. 807 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 4: Those albums and seriously, yeah. 808 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 2: I just want to say I'm proud of you getting 809 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 2: over your technology fears and doing that because you know, 810 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,760 Speaker 2: you and I often had the flintstone bird writing a message, 811 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 2: sending pigeons to our windows kind of relationships. So one 812 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,439 Speaker 2: day I'm gonna get you use an iPhone for real. 813 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 4: I have an iPhone. 814 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 2: I just. 815 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 4: I listen to music on it. I go to YouTube, 816 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 4: and I Google, and I make phone calls. I'm going 817 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 4: when I traveled, when I used to travel. 818 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 2: You up to two thousand. Okay, please Robinson, Ladies and 819 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 2: Joe in Quest left Supreme. We thank you so much. 820 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 2: Fan Takeelo and Shuka Steve, thank you. We will see 821 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 2: you on the next program. 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