1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:00,840 Speaker 1: Warning. 2 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 2: Today's episode Candad's spoilers for various television programs such as 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 2: White Lotus season three, such as Yellow Jackets, such as 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: The Pit, such as Paradise and Invincible, and more. Be warned. Hello, 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Night, and 6 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: welcome back to x Ray Vision of the podcast where 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: pop culture. We are coming to you from my Art podcast, 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: where we'll bring you three huge episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: plus news on Saturday. 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: In today's episode, we are talking about some of. 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: The deluges of terrific television that twenty twenty five has 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: had to offa and we're gonna be starting by talking 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: about the current error of television that we're watching and 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: living through. 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: What is this era of TV? 17 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: Okay, Rosie, you and I watch a lot of TV. 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: We watch too much TV, we do. I've always watched 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: too much TV and I continue to watch too much TV. 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: We are living through a crazy era in the globe. 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: What do you think is this era of TV? We've 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: kind of come out of the peak TV era during 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: which you know, technology and streamers entered the entertainment fray, 24 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: pouring billions of dollars into this space, creating dozens and 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: dozens and dozens and hundreds of new TV shows which 26 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: we're debuting at a tremendous clip. That bubble has essentially popped. 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: It feels like we're kind of post prestige, where at 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: least everything that isn't reality and that isn't on network 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: could be reasonably construed as prestige. But much like many 30 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: of our adjectives currently Rosie like post capitalist or new 31 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: people peak TV and prestige TV or like they're an 32 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: adjective searching for a meaning, they kind of don't mean 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: anything anymore. So what is this era of television? 34 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Okay? 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 3: So I'm I I was testing this one in pre 36 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: pro but I think I do think this is what 37 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: I would call it, especially because I feel like it's 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: appropriate for the the feeling and experience of living through 39 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. I'm like, it's it's streaming prestige, right, 40 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: which is completely different from normal prestige. So I'm calling it. 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: I'm saying it's stressed eage TV stretch stage. I think 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: if you look at the shows that are popular that 43 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 3: we are going to talk about the pit adolescence, the 44 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: Studio White lois that. 45 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Also shows that make you stressed. 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: Yes, So I'm like, maybe the key of streaming and 47 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: prestige is you have to have a dark, anxiety inducing overtone. 48 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: I think a lot about that first episode of The 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 3: Bear if you had ever worked in like a kitchen 50 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: or a retail experience or a restaurant, it was just 51 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: so unbelievably stressful. 52 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: But that made it feel like you were in the show. 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: You were experiencing it, You're immersed in it. It's very 54 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: different from the first episode of. 55 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: Game of Thrones, where it more feels like you're walking 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: around a theme park and you're learning about the world 57 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: and these exotic spaces and this new kind of landscape 58 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: that you're going to be introduced to. So yeah, I'm 59 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: going I'm going for stress tage TV. It's it's streaming, 60 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 3: it's prestige. Some of the shows aren't really prestige, but 61 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: because they, you know, had five million dollars in an 62 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: episode but don't necessarily look like it, they're still kind 63 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: of acclaimed as prestige TV. 64 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: But the quality is it always there? 65 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: I don't know I'm going to uh coin this era. 66 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: My pitch for this era is niche stige, niche TV 67 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: literaliche because it's real. Because I do feel like we've 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: entered in an era with the kind of bifer ky 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: of all the platforms and the post peak crash in 70 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: which you're seeing, you know, the platforms fight for their 71 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: lives and shows move from streaming to network or vice versa, 72 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: and you've got all these different types of smaller productions 73 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: like Scrabbling for the Top. I think we're seeing explorations 74 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: like of niche occupations and lifestyles in a way depicted 75 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: in a way that we haven't necessarily seen before. You know, 76 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: it used to be like cops, fireman, lawyers, right, your FBI, 77 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: that's it, that's your kind of procedural, and now it's 78 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: like with I think maybe the Harbinger was the weird 79 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: successive suits that we're starting to see these you know, 80 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: shows like The Studio on Apple TV Plus where it's like, 81 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: you know, there's always been shows and movies about shows 82 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: and movies, but I think this is taking it to 83 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: a different kind of level. The Pit feels like a 84 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: much more granular type of medical show than we've seen before. 85 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: You know, there's you know, fire Country. It's not enough 86 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: to just do like Fireman, Fire Department. Now you have 87 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: to do like the hell Jumpers that like go up 88 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: into the woods. And so I think that there's it 89 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: feels like we're it's a much more granular kind of 90 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: TV experience. And with that, let's talk about let's talk 91 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: about some of the shows that that have been really 92 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: making news this cycle and shows that we really like. 93 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: But first let's take a quick break and we'll be 94 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: about that. 95 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: And we're back. 96 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: First up, you mentioned it over on Max Slash HBO, 97 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: The Pit Noah Wiley's return to the emergency room as 98 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: a harried emergency room doc dealing with the fallout the emotional, 99 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: the physical, the economic, the socioeconomic fallout from COVID as 100 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: he tries to kind of mentor young doctors through the 101 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: experience of working in a very active hospital. This is 102 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: a great show. 103 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: It's an incredible show. 104 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: And I also think something that you sum up here 105 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: with this idea of Niche Stiege, which I really like, 106 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: is like, also, even this is not an expanded soap 107 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: opera esque er where you get to know all the 108 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 3: characters and see the love interests and all that kind 109 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 3: of stuff very much that one fifteen hour shift and 110 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: every hour is a real time and I think there 111 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: is something about that zoomed in what is it really 112 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: like to be a human being who is working in 113 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: a hospital in a restaurant. That is definitely a space 114 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: that we are more kind of entering into. I would 115 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: even say like House of the Dragon, which is definitely 116 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: obviously one of the more out there fantasy shows, but 117 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: even their take on Game of Thrones is a much stralistic, 118 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: chamber drama, intimate relationship focused kind of intrigue and conflict. 119 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the Pit is amazing. I saw 120 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: a great meme about it, which is like, you know, 121 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: if you go into that hospital, they're going to find 122 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: a reason to intubate you. Like everything here is the 123 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: worst possible, Like you are getting intubated, You're seeing some 124 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: really grotesque, like terrifying stuff. 125 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: I love that. 126 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: I also think this show does one of the best 127 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: things from old school prestige TV, which is you are 128 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: bringing in your Noah Wiley's You'll bringing Noah Wiley has 129 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: up until now mostly just been doing like the librarian movies. 130 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: Sci fi. You know this, librarian, my librarian. 131 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: You want to feel like this is the shit that 132 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: makes me feel like one hundred million years old. 133 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, I. 134 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: Don't want to look it up, but I'm I'm convinced 135 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: right now if I looked it up the library and 136 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: happened fifteen years ago. 137 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I think it. Yeah, I will tell you. 138 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: I do believe it was about fifteen years ago. Another 139 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: person that I loved to see in this that I 140 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: think is a really great addition to this kind of 141 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: unexpected character actor role is Sean Hatosi, who I know 142 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: best as Stan from the Faculty, one of my old 143 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: Countryvorite actors. Yeah, doctor Jack Abbot, He's incredible. I also 144 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 3: have loved to see that a lot of the TV 145 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: people that I really follow and love are women, and 146 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: like the amount of hilarious like Abbot fan cams there are, 147 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: and the kind of way that people will interact with 148 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: something that, even though it is really brutal and real, real, 149 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: there is also an element where people can still make 150 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: it light. They can still find the characters that they love. 151 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: I think that's the fandom X aspect is still there. 152 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: It's the pit has some of the best Filipino representation 153 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: on television and as a person with multiple Filipino nurses 154 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: and my direct family, like a lot of this rung 155 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: very true, really really good show. Now when we say prestige, 156 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: I feel like that to me, the number one thing 157 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: when we say prestige is does it look great? Does 158 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: it look like it could have been a movie twenty 159 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: years ago or fifteen years ago? Yeah, And I feel 160 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 2: like the pit on all you know, on all levels 161 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: is that it just looks fantastic production design, amazing camera work, 162 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: really good. It is the fabulously dynamic show. 163 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 164 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: I also think they just put a level of Karen 165 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: too it that a lot of streaming shows do not have. 166 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: And I think part of that comes from the genesis 167 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: of the show was to make a show that ten 168 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: years ago would have been on broadcast, but you make 169 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 3: it now for streaming, So I guess really more fifteen 170 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: years ago. 171 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: I think that comes through. 172 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: I think Nina Rashio, who is the production designer, she 173 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: was designing the entire set before the show was even 174 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: properly picked up, so and in production. So I just 175 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: think this is a really special show, incredibly stressful show though. 176 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: So I'm also saying stress addition stress teach, Yes, don't 177 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 3: watch it as the last thing you watched before bed 178 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 3: that I. 179 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: Usually watched like Park and Rec bloopers. 180 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: I'm a murder, she wrote, Guy, I hear Jessica Fletcher. 181 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 3: I know everything's going to be okay. There's going to 182 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: be a murder, but I don't need to worry about it. 183 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 3: It's going to be some ketchup style murder. But also 184 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: speaking of incredibly stressful TV shows that have kind of 185 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: taken over the news cycle right now, let's talk about Adolescents. 186 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Adolescents and Stephen Graham's you know, elevation 187 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: to creative force and showrunner Stephen Graham. You are familiar 188 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: with him from his many many, many, many many roles 189 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: it with you know, deploying multiple different accent accents over 190 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: the years and. 191 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 3: One of the great character actors, whether it's in The 192 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: Lobal Empire or one of my favorite films, This is England. Yeah, 193 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: an unbelievable show that is also taking part, interestingly in 194 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: one of the stylistic trends right now, which is embracing 195 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: the one shot. Every episode of Adolescents is a one shot, 196 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: and if you don't know what. 197 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: The show is about. 198 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: It's got a pretty simple premise, which is it's set 199 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: in England and a teenage boy is picked up by 200 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: the police because a girl in his school was stabbed 201 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 3: to death. And the first episode is about how his 202 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: parents are obviously on his side, and the episode ends 203 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: with a video showing him killing the girl at his school, 204 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: who it turns out, had told him she didn't want 205 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: to go on a date with him. And it is 206 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 3: essentially an explorer four episode mini series exploration of the 207 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: kind of toxic manisphere, the notions of misogyny, and it 208 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: is an unbelievable piece of TV. 209 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: It's harrowing, it is intense, and it's well, it's a 210 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: show that you will be thinking about. You will think 211 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: about this show and it is one that stays with you. 212 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: It's an incredible piece of television production. 213 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: That's a very interesting point you raised there is part 214 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: of nistige stresstige. 215 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: This era of TV is part. 216 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: Of it that the stuff that sticks with us, I 217 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: would say particularly is stuff that maybe does make you 218 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 3: think a little bit more. The Pit, for example, that 219 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: is a show that is absolutely about the American healthcast 220 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: them a reaction to COVID. It's also dealing with issues 221 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: of transphobia. Like there is a lot in that show 222 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: where that it doesn't feel like a very special episode. 223 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: It feels like a show that is aware it's about 224 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: human beings. It makes you think adolescence is like one 225 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: of the most haunting. 226 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: Shows absolutely of the last like ten years. And I 227 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: think because. 228 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: It is really scary to imagine that space. I think 229 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 3: there's it's also inspired a good conversation. I mean in England, 230 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: it's inspiring potential legislation change which would be unbelievable and 231 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: I think was largely. 232 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: Called social media around. 233 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: I think also as well, I think what people really 234 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: want is legislation change that supports mental health care for 235 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: young people and young boys especially, which has been you know, 236 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: under the austerity era of the Tories and now the 237 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: continuation that under the labor is still going on. 238 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: Right. But that again is a show. 239 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: That absolutely inspires conversation, makes you want to think about 240 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: the children in your life, the people in your life. 241 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: I think that is a resounding. 242 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: Theme of even some of the sillier shows that we're 243 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: gonna kind of get into after we talk about a 244 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: couple more including obviously the one you all want to 245 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: hear us talk about, which is a definite prestige classic show, 246 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: The White Lotus. 247 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: Which we'll be talking about in a couple of minutes. 248 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 3: But like, I do think that there is an element 249 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: of this era where the things that stick with us 250 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: are not necessarily the classic like mad Men esque, like 251 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: gorgeous gowns, incredible acting, throwing you into a world, and 252 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: instead they're like, here's our world, now, let's make you 253 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: think a little bit about our world. 254 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,479 Speaker 1: Rather than escapism, it's more like immersion. 255 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: I think that there is something to that. Certainly, the 256 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: shows that most resonate with me resonate because they're able 257 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: to take some piece of modern life and really make 258 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: me think about it for a while, such as like 259 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: how we're all dealing with the traumas of the of 260 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: COVID still in our life without really realizing it. In adolescence, 261 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: it's I'm glad I didn't grow up in an era 262 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: where everybody had a cell phone and bullying takes on 263 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: this almost dystopian type of thing, and it also makes 264 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: you think about you know, young young boys and men, 265 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: and how we're still not able to have a conversation 266 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: about their mental health in a way that doesn't feel 267 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: like either patronizing or letting them off for being terrible, 268 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: Like there's it still feels like we're trying to find 269 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: that exactly well to you mentioned the one shot. The 270 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: one shot in Adolescence is interesting because it it underlines 271 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: this feeling of you're a fly on the wall. This 272 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: documentary kind of ambitious. 273 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: Fly on the wall, kind of following the horror of anhaction. Yeah, 274 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: which especially episode three, I mean we got to shower 275 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: Owen Cooper, who this was his first ever acting role. 276 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: He plays Jamie, the kid at the center of the story, 277 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: and there's an at the third episode where he's talking 278 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: to a kind of a psychologist that is one of 279 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: the most like scary and brilliant episodes. And the one 280 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: shot is very much you are the fly on the wall. 281 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: But there is another show using one shots that is 282 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: very much in the stress tige era that I think 283 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: has one of the for me, the most stressful episodes 284 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: of TV I've seen all year in complimentary way, which 285 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: is Yeah, the Studio, The. 286 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: Studio on Apple TV Plus is I think one of 287 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: the Uh, it's definitely the most fun show that's happening 288 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: at the moment. It is very stressful. It's a show 289 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: about a the head of a studio, Seth Rogan played 290 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: by Seth Rogan, who loves movies, loves loves loves movies, 291 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: but in his own words, his job now is to 292 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 2: ruin them and to make sure that they make a 293 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: lot of money. And it is you want to talk 294 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: about Niche Stiege like this is as people who live 295 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: in La So much of this brings true the characteristics 296 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: of the people, the conversations that you overhear. You know, 297 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: Katherine On is like as the head of marketing of 298 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: the studio is like on an insane here all the time. 299 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: Brian Cranston basically is like stan Lee. 300 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: He's like, He's like, what if Stanley ran a movie studio? 301 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: But at Stanley from like the late eighties, early nineties 302 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: and his trip to la had actually worked and gotten 303 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: him a job. 304 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 2: And this is a show in which the ononer, I 305 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: think is much more, much more divisive, because it is 306 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: definitely it is both a recognition of of how the 307 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: wonner has become like the like the the deep three pointer. 308 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: Of like yeah, the the andand of like You're doing something. Sack. 309 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: Look at how cool this is, Like, I'm a good 310 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: director because I gave you a cool woner. And at 311 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: the same time it the whole thing is wonners. So 312 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's both the the subject of the joke 313 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: and it is the joke itself. 314 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 3: And also they are doing some technical, like technically unbelievable 315 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: things in season two, which I love, and Jason, I'm 316 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: sure that you, as someone else who has been. 317 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: On sets, found incredibly stressful. 318 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: Is Seth Rogan's character goes to visit a set because 319 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: he wants to see Sarah shoot a wanner. And the 320 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: episode is a woner and at every point he fucks 321 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 3: it up. And the rule is you don't have an 322 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: exec on set if you don't want a distraction, but 323 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 3: he is distracting everyone. 324 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: You get pratfalls. 325 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 3: And there is an unbelievable moment that I had to 326 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: watch multiple times that inspired so much conversation that Seth 327 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 3: Rogan joined threads to contradict people who are claiming they 328 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: knew how they did it, which is they drive up 329 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 3: and you're following Seth Rogen as he drives up and 330 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: then immediately without any kind of change, somebody picks up 331 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: the camera and you can't see it, there's no reflection 332 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 3: in the window, and essentially keeps following them and it feels. 333 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: Like an impossible shot. 334 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: But it was a real shot that was done with 335 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 3: a magnetic camera on the hood that they then lifted off. 336 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: But there are so many moments in that show where 337 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: you The thing I love about the use of the 338 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: one shot in this show and the use of the 339 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 3: handheld camera and stuff is you feel like you are 340 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 3: Seth Rogan's assistant who is rushing around on the. 341 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: Sacket after him. 342 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 343 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: It's a level of immersion that I don't think you 344 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 3: get to see. I mean, the first episode also has 345 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: an incredible Martin Scorsese subplot. 346 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: It is like. 347 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: Completely should absolutely not work and should be completely tasteless. 348 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: I'm saying that she would when she says like, we 349 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 2: can't I can't sell a movie with Steve Shemy as 350 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 2: the star, and somebody else says, but he's one of 351 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 2: the greatest actors we have, and she's like, listen, if 352 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: he was here, I would throw him on this table 353 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: and fuck him to DEVI right now, I can't sell 354 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: this movie. I won't kill it. 355 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: And also we do get there has actually been multiple articles. 356 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: It's so LA specific that Catherine O'Hara Carrot has very 357 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: clearly been kind of not exposed, but people understand that 358 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: she is Sony's Amy Pascal, and it's quite close to 359 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 3: her real life kind of experience. I have a friend 360 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: who was a tour. 361 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: Guide on Sony at Sony. 362 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: Who would constantly see seth Rogen and there is a 363 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 3: tour guide point of being, and everyone at Sony, everyone 364 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: who is a tour guide, is like, oh, like he 365 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 3: saw us too, Like this is like a point of 366 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 3: real understanding. 367 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: So again, extremely niche. 368 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 3: I wonder how it's playing outside of LA But I 369 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: do think, and I'm gonna bring this up later in 370 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: the show. I do think that it makes the argument, 371 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: alongside Severance that Apple TV has made some of the 372 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 3: best TV of this era, maybe the best TV of 373 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. 374 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: They're throwing money at the problem and I can't. I 375 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: love it. Keep doing it? Please another billion dollars? Yeah, 376 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: next up. White Lotus just had their finale this Sunday, 377 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: and I think a divisive finale. I'm seeing some of 378 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: the responses. 379 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: Some people love it. I agree. 380 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: My my good friend and critic at Variety, Alison Herman, 381 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 2: thought that the finale kind of redeemed some of the 382 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: more meandering aspects of the season. Me personally, I watched 383 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: White Lotus not to see how they tie up loose ends, 384 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: but because of all the weird kind of call the 385 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: sacts you end up in through the course of the season. 386 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 2: So I didn't mind it. I know, a super producer 387 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: Joelle did not like the finale, but I you know, personally, 388 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 2: for me, I think it was the best season of 389 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: White Lotus. 390 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 3: Hey, you're not the only one, and I kind of 391 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 3: love this about an anthology show, as you do get 392 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: to have that exploration. 393 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: I also really enjoyed the finale. 394 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm a middling White Lotus fan, Like it's 395 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 3: not appointment TV for me, but I do enjoy what 396 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: I call a vacation show or of a quacation movie, 397 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 3: where that a bunch of rich people just go and 398 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: film somewhere they want to hang out, like a Four 399 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 3: Seasons in Thailand I did. I thought the finale had 400 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 3: some interesting roots. I was definitely rooting for the Jonestown 401 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: esque family killing. I thought that would have been a 402 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 3: really interesting oblique way to go. But I thought that 403 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: the ending that they did provide of Rick and Chelsea, 404 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: I thought for Mike White, it was actually quite an unexpected, 405 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: kind of straightforward revenge story. 406 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: It's very much in. 407 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: The lane of like, if you go after something that 408 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 3: you hate, you're gonna lose something that you love. I 409 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: personally did gasp at the moment when they revealed that 410 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: after spending his life trying to hunt down his father's killer, 411 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: Rick was his father's killer. 412 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: The end, I felt like the way moment, yeah, a. 413 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: Lot of Greek tragedy, which Mike White alluded to in 414 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: his THHR kind of finale interview. Yeah, I thought it 415 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: was a satisfying ending. And also I am an Amy 416 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 3: lou stand so I love Chelsea. I hate it that 417 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: she died. But I felt like something that was kind 418 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: of interesting was I did feel like the show hinted 419 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 3: at this notion of like maybe what she was talking 420 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: about was true, like maybe there is something after and 421 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 3: maybe they will get to be together forever. Like I 422 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 3: felt like there was romantic readings that were interesting. 423 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: Interesting. I here's my take on the White lotus, And 424 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: I think that perhaps this is why this is a 425 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 2: divisive show or the ending was divisive. I think the 426 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: ultimate message of the White Lotus is you can be 427 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: bought off. Yes, you you know, I think, and I 428 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: have a lot of I have a lot of friends 429 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: who are like, man, if I had a billion dollars, 430 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: if I was like as rich as you, Musk or whoever, 431 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: I would solve homelessness. And I'm like, bitch, no, you wouldn't. 432 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 2: You wouldn't because you to get there, you have to 433 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 2: be so indoctrinated into that that society, that lifestyle, that 434 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: amount of wealth, that you simply wouldn't do it. You 435 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: wouldn't do it. And I think the to me, the 436 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: message of White Lotus is, oh, this woman that touched 437 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 2: your life. You know that she was murdered, you know, 438 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: set up by her husband. Well you can move on 439 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: for that, for the low, low price of five million 440 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: dollars so that you could start your life. And it 441 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: presents it that choice is like you know, not certainly 442 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: an awful and a bad one, but also a rational 443 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: one that I think describes much of our interactions in 444 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: society and life. Is like, sadly, you can be bought off. 445 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: And I think that's an uncomfortable thing to realize. Is 446 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: that everybody likes the sixties, the boomers, they were the 447 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: most progressive generation ever, you know, like fighting for civil rights, 448 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: marching to end uh a terrible war in Vietnam. 449 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: Uh. 450 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 2: The you know, the nascent uh gay rights movement happening 451 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: then started with them, you know, second and third wave feminism, 452 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: all of these very progressive things happening with that generation. 453 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: And then they get in power, and it's this, it's 454 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: this that we're living through right now. Why did that happen? 455 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 2: Because they got Because if you get if you have 456 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: a bunch of like communist semi communist weathermen loving hippies, 457 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 2: and you give them very very very cheap higher education 458 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: and access to like uh audiability to buy a house 459 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: on like one salary. Guess what, they're not communists anymore. 460 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: They're right capitalist baby, yeah, and like okay, and all 461 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: of us can be bought off like that. And I 462 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: think that's an uncomfortable thing to think about. 463 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: I agree. I also like that. 464 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: One of the I think something as well that's really 465 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 3: good about this specific season, and I do think other 466 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: seasons too, is just like a lot of people can 467 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: go through unbelievable events and just be unchanged especially if 468 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 3: they're incredibly rich, yeah, and have a safety net like 469 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 3: this family, uh you know, and this kind of like 470 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: their dad almost murdered them all going to lose all 471 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 3: their money. 472 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: But he's just like he's just like, they're like, we'll 473 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: get through that. 474 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 3: He's like, we'll get through this as a family, and 475 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: now they're gonna be happy. No, But also Saxon is 476 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 3: like an unchanged person despite everything that happened, everything he's 477 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 3: sold the other thing, that's still just that person. Still, 478 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 3: I think that's interesting. Okay, let's tap in super producer Joe. 479 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 1: I'll tell us why it didn't work for you guys. 480 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 4: Okay, remember when I told you I don't watch White 481 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 4: Lotus because I don't like seeing white people make poor 482 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 4: decisions and have no consequences. What are we even doing here? 483 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 4: When this little girl said there's a stain on the 484 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 4: mattress and the food. 485 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: You can. 486 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: I was ready to kick her down the stairs. 487 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: Honestly, did that not resonate with many people? 488 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: It was so real, it was painfully rare. 489 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 4: That's really bothering me. Here's the thing that's really bothered 490 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 4: me is it is actually a reflection of real life 491 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 4: and therefore you cannot disit for like being authentic. Well, 492 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 4: the part that really killed me was the three girlfriends. 493 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 4: This girl comes back to dinner and she's like, I 494 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 4: don't care. They have a pretty face and you have 495 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 4: a good life. I'm just happy to be here and 496 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 4: her friends and nothing they do not affirm her to 497 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 4: be like, we love you are so wonderful to have 498 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 4: around that we loved to know. This is not a friendship. 499 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 4: She literally just says, oh, time connects us, and so 500 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 4: I'll coast on that. I guess my heart broke for 501 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 4: her in a million piece. 502 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: For the guests that Emmy with that one, she. 503 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: Really was And I think what really disturbs me about 504 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: the show is like there's this I understand the idea 505 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 4: of like, Okay, it takes place in a like one locations. 506 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 4: It's away from everything, and it's whatever happens on vacation 507 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 4: is what we're capturing on camera. Like the thing is 508 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 4: like you're running to get away from these problems. They 509 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 4: follow you everywhere. I get that. I feel like they 510 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 4: worked really hard to try to include like the local 511 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 4: population this go round, and those stories fell so flat 512 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 4: for me where I was like I don't really know 513 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 4: who these people are. I don't really under this conflict 514 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 4: isn't really going anywhere, even main rich dad guy who 515 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 4: tried to kill a family, like the whole time he's 516 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 4: on this like family annihilatorship, But does he have an arc? Really, 517 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 4: like there's no where's where's he going? 518 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: He's not changed. 519 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 4: We're not a circle, We're not an arc. We're just flat. 520 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 4: I just feel bored. I feel bored. 521 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: Well, you know what I will say. 522 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: I do think it falls more into after our conversation 523 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: about Niche Stiege, Prestige, Stresstige, I think this falls more 524 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: into like a classic HBO prestige show, where it's more 525 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: about like you're just watching. You're like watching these people 526 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: have an experience that you wouldn't have, and the experience 527 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: here is you're poor, so you ain't getting to go 528 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 3: on this trip. And maybe maybe the trip is actually bad. 529 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: Maybe sometimes rich people have bad times too. But I 530 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: will say I think Jason, you actually with your conversation 531 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: about like did you know anyone can be bought off? 532 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: And Joelle you bringing up. 533 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 3: The local population, I did find something that I found 534 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: really heartbreaking. But I do think Jason is in line 535 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: with your idea of what the white Lotos is about, 536 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 3: like anyone can be bought off. Money will corrupt anyone. 537 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 3: I did find like the GUYE talk like ending where 538 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 3: he went against his pacifism. He killed the guy and 539 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: then he's rich and he can go and look, I'm 540 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: not gonna lie. Would I murder someone from hook? 541 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I would? Who could not relate to that? 542 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: She's very beautiful, like I understand, but. 543 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 3: Like everyone everyone some you know, but at the same time, 544 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: like I found that the most unsettling, like sad, unsatisfying 545 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: part of me. And you know what, Jason, it sums up, 546 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 3: but it's in line with you read of the themes, 547 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: which I do think is. 548 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: It's a show about class solidarity and the workings of it. 549 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: How does white wealthy class solidarity work? It works just 550 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: like that. It works by keeping you on the outside 551 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: so that you could see all the beautiful racks of 552 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: sweets and candy and all the things inside, and says 553 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 2: how long you want to stay out there? How long 554 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 2: you want to stay out that shit? Do you want 555 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: to come inside or not? Here's all you need to 556 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: do sell this little piece of idealism, morality, whatever it 557 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: is that you have that's keeping you for coming in here, 558 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: get rid of that, and then you can come in 559 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: and by the way, then you won't ever want to leave. 560 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: And sadly there's that's how it works. People will want 561 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: to do that. People will do that every day, are 562 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: selling some piece of themselves to enter that illusion of 563 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: class solidarity at the top. And I think that's what 564 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: show is about, and I think it it picks it 565 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: pretty well from. 566 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: What pressing and true. 567 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing happens to the you know, to those folks. 568 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: Guy almost kills his family, he's walking home to like, 569 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: you know, devastation economically around him, maybe federal changes. Is 570 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 2: he exactly is anything really gonna happen to him? Probably not, 571 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: Like probably gets away. He's rich, he's he's still got 572 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: over you know, half a billion dollars. He's never gonna 573 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: he's never gonna face a consequence. Natasha Rothwell sold for 574 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: morality for five million dollars in the opportunity to start 575 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: a business. And then I do support how the left 576 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: the guy that she had a connection with, who is 577 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: the exact mirror image of her from season one, left him. 578 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: I thought that I thought that wasting. 579 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: Okay, and I think, yeah, it resonated for me even 580 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: though I hate all those people. 581 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, is this this is interesting? 582 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: Is this an enjoy Is this a show I can't 583 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: enjoy but I can recognize is pretty good? 584 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 585 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 3: I think Actually That's where I'm coming to after this. Like, 586 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: like I said, not appointment TV for me, but interesting 587 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 3: to have the conversations around it. 588 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: And also, you know what, I will say something that. 589 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 3: I will mention about niche, the stress these Sometimes I 590 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 3: get immersed in a show about the like the pit, 591 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 3: the bear, you know, working class people, real stories. 592 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: Like and then I'll be like, oh wait, this is 593 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: just what actors do. They love to do this. They 594 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: love to be rich and pretend to. 595 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 3: Be poor and go on like a weird poverty vacation. 596 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: And it's been like that throughout the history of movies 597 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 3: and TV. 598 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: But you know, I will say, the White Loas is 599 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: just rich people being rich. So good for them, you 600 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: know what. Good They're not playing. 601 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: One more thing before we move on, because we are 602 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: going to talk about Landman later, which I think is 603 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: like one of the leading you know, lights of Red 604 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: State television. But to me, what makes Landman more of 605 00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: a caricature and white lotus more of a honest depiction 606 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 2: of people who would vote for Trump. Is that at 607 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: least the ones that like I encounter, they want it 608 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: both ways. They want to vote for Trump, but they 609 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: also want you to like them. You also want to 610 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: be like respected by like really by culture and by 611 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: you know, they're friends and that. Like that conversation with 612 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 2: the three women where they realize that one of them 613 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: voted for Trump, that was like, that's fucking real shit, 614 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: Like that's uncomfortable, real shit. And that's why I like 615 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: this show. Okay, up next, more TV and we're back 616 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: Invincible season three. I think a little bit of a 617 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 2: reclamation project here towards the end, and I mean the 618 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: very end, it starts to recapture some of the energy 619 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: from season one. 620 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: Your your thoughts, I definitely saw that. I think I 621 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: have never been truly hooked back in. 622 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 3: I will say, you know, I we have like a 623 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 3: little comic book stand now in Pedro, a craft market, 624 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 3: and the kids are coming. 625 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: In and asking for Invincible. 626 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 3: Season three got them hooked back in. Like the comics, 627 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 3: the interest of the comics are there. There is a 628 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 3: cultural conversation happening about it. Another thing I noticed, and 629 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 3: this will come up with the next show we talk 630 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 3: about too. With the Yellow Jackets, the discord started popping 631 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 3: off again when the season cut last couple of episodes 632 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 3: season finale came out. 633 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: Does it justify a fourth season? 634 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: I think it is my understanding from recent advertising I've 635 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: gotten from Skybound on Instagram, I believe they are looking 636 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 3: for a kind of Legion m esque fan investment at 637 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 3: the moment. But Invincible is there and Amazon's biggest revenue driver, 638 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 3: so I think it is still doing well for them. 639 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: Joelle, what were your feelings. 640 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: On the finale and where the show ended and did 641 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 3: you feel like it was a good ending? 642 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: Do you care about season four? 643 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, season three ending slapped, y'all. 644 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. We get an ass whipping of 645 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 4: a lifetime. Like I I love a fight, and they said, 646 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 4: we don't have a lot of money for graphics and fights, 647 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 4: so what if we just saved it all for the end, 648 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 4: which we all have to slog through a couple of 649 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 4: really mediocre fights to get. 650 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: To the ending. But when you get to the ending, holy, Like, 651 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: it's real good. 652 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 4: I really liked it. I think what's interesting about this season, 653 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 4: Timmy is one. I have a lot of feelings about 654 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 4: voice actor stunt casting, but damn it, they did a 655 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 4: pretty good job here. And I love Sandra Oh and 656 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 4: I think she's really giving to this character. I think 657 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 4: Stephen has to be showered with awards for his sensational 658 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 4: work he is doing. I was really excited to see 659 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 4: that he did. 660 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: He just join Avatar movie. 661 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, he will be the Avatar the Lost ebb End 662 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 3: and not Avatar James Cameron, Yes. 663 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 4: And so so I think on that, like, you've got 664 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 4: these people, you have Seth Evan who are doing they 665 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 4: thing over on studio but also killing it over here. 666 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 4: There's like a lot of juice left in this bottle. 667 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 4: I think here's the problem. I think for a lot 668 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 4: of Kirkman projects, like with The Walking Dead, things get 669 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 4: so depressing and stay that way for so long that 670 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 4: for a lot of people it's taxing to stay into 671 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 4: the story. And we're sort of getting that way with 672 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 4: Mark's character. He turns into somebody who's like, yeah, I 673 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 4: have to kill and yes. I think the show writers 674 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 4: have done a good enough job to be like, you're 675 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 4: kind of in the same boat with him, you're like, yes, Mark, uh, 676 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 4: if you don't look at what happens like, it's really 677 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 4: bad if you don't. And so you're like, you're you're 678 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 4: in the decision making boat with him in a way 679 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 4: that doesn't feel to totally alienating the other thing. I 680 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 4: think the show has done well. That sort of made 681 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 4: me inspire for a season four. I'm not a comic 682 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 4: book reader. I've heard many a bad thing. I hope 683 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 4: you are recommending other comics for the kids at the 684 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 4: shop to be like, hey, if you like the. 685 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: Show, they want to do it. 686 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: We've will got to read we've all got to read 687 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 3: a bad comic parents, and that you know, got to 688 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: forget the parental approval. 689 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 4: To check it out. But yeah, they decide to veer 690 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 4: away from the comics they bring up. And so I thought, like, 691 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 4: because I was watching, to be like, oh, wow, I 692 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 4: guess the fans must be really excited about this moment. 693 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 694 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 4: I went online and they were not all excited, but 695 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 4: they were really intrigued. But the fact that we're bringing 696 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 4: somebody back and that it's a new angle is really 697 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 4: inspiring for an IP because it just keeps fans around 698 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 4: and engages them in a new way. It also sort 699 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 4: of brings old fans and new fans to the same place, 700 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 4: which makes it like interesting sort of watching guests together. 701 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, I think I hope they get 702 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 4: the show a little bit more of a budget. To 703 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 4: be honest, I think I think that was part of 704 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 4: the reason they said they were on hiatus before, and 705 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 4: it's been a struggle back and forth. 706 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: We know. 707 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 4: The general struggles the animators go through. I think the 708 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 4: show could use a little bit more money in the 709 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 4: animation department. Yes, I uh, you know, so they can 710 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 4: meet the talent they've brought to get to the table 711 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 4: to make the show. 712 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got when they built season one on how 713 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 3: great the action was, how great the animation was, and 714 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 3: then season two obviously had the issues with timing and 715 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 3: release that kind of truncated the passion. 716 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: For the season, and then season three. I do think 717 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 1: they get it back. 718 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 3: But it's really clear that seven and eight are the 719 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 3: big money episodes where the animation is amazing. Honestly, if 720 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 3: I was Amazon, I probably would have released them at 721 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 3: the cinema Star Wars style, you know, like when you 722 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 3: just do the one episode really get them out there 723 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,479 Speaker 3: showcase it. Yeah, I'm interested to see what happens next. 724 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 3: I'm not wholly you know, invested, because I do think 725 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 3: we get so many stories about like what if a 726 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 3: superho who didn't kill decided to kill? You know, there's 727 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: a lot of gritty storytelling that's been done. But I 728 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 3: will say I think this version of Mark is so 729 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 3: much more interesting than the comic book version. I think 730 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 3: Sandro adds a whole different level to it, and I 731 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 3: obviously will. 732 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: Check back in. 733 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 3: But guys, now I have to talk about another show 734 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 3: that has the people talking, that people are saying is 735 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 3: on a comeback trail from a disappointing season two, and 736 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 3: that is Yellowjackets season three. 737 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: So let's talk about it. Jason, your feelings are more middling, 738 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: so let's have a conversation. 739 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 2: They're a little bit more middling. I do think that 740 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 2: there is a soapy element that was ramped up in 741 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 2: season three, along with a much more obvious increase in 742 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 2: the like the plot movement cadence that made the show 743 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 2: feel very propulsive. Towards the end, there were some wonderful 744 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 2: cliffhanger moments and wonderful character moments. I thought that the 745 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 2: I you know, I continue to be much more interested 746 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 2: in the nineties timeline and the modern timeline, and I 747 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 2: think that's a problem the show has, especially yes this season, 748 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 2: where so much of the stuff happening back on the 749 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: island was like holy shit, what. 750 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like, this is some amazing narrative story. I 751 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 3: mean to the point where even the actors. I think 752 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,959 Speaker 3: that is one of the interesting things that we've seen 753 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 3: in season. 754 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: Three and across the show. 755 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 3: The concept of the two casts is really really interesting. 756 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 3: But then both the casts are so good that you 757 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 3: start to want interplay between the versions of the characters, 758 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 3: but that becomes impossible to do. 759 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: Without dream sequences, death, yes, et cetera. 760 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 3: But when it does happen, like in the most recent 761 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 3: episode where we lost put yours on if you haven't 762 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 3: watched it and you. 763 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: Want to watch it, spoiler spoiler spoiler, we. 764 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 3: Lose Adult Van in a really heartbreaking scene and we 765 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 3: get to have some interplay between Lauren Ambrose who plays 766 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 3: Adult Van, and Liphuson. 767 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: Who plays Team Van, and they are so incredible. 768 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 3: Together, and you I kind of think like, oh, man, 769 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 3: like I want more of this, the same way we 770 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 3: got to see Adult Nat and Young Nat when adult 771 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 3: Nat died. I think that they almost found themselves in 772 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 3: a very weird and almost completely unique situation, which is 773 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 3: that they happened to have a casting director who was 774 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 3: so fantastic that the cast kind of outshines what they're 775 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 3: doing with the show. 776 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: Though, I will say for. 777 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 3: Me, as a kind of like nineties TV Lover and 778 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,919 Speaker 3: X Files Lover and that kind of stuff, I did 779 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 3: love that huge hook that we got where it kind 780 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 3: of turns the whole season on its head when you 781 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 3: realize that maybe the girls are not as kind of, 782 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 3: you know, far as far away from civilization as we 783 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 3: thought they. 784 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 2: That made me question everything just in terms of like 785 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 2: how how well they've been searching this area. Anyway, I 786 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 2: agree with you, and I do think this is a 787 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 2: show that, despite what the showrunners say, I do think 788 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 2: that whatever plan they had in the beginning has changed 789 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 2: multiple times. 790 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. 791 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, I get that from comments the 792 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 2: showrunners have made comments the cast members of Mede. There's 793 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 2: this notable, you know, clip from a panel where Juliet 794 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 2: Lewis kind of suggests that she signed on for a 795 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 2: different for her character to have like kind of different 796 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 2: arc than the one it ended up having, and then 797 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 2: like since fifth finale. 798 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: Even Live Houston. 799 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 3: I think Van was originally supposed to die after the 800 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 3: wolf attack. I don't think that she was ever meant 801 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 3: to come back as a character. So yeah, it definitely 802 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 3: changes the law. I do believe that in the original 803 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 3: pitch they say that this big twist where oh, somebody 804 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 3: shows up and it makes you question everything was always 805 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 3: was always in that, But I'm like, that could have 806 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 3: been in season one. Honestly, yes, like you, I think 807 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 3: the success of the show made it so they stretched out. 808 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 3: I am very interested to see what happens in the 809 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 3: finale because I think if they have a great finale, 810 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 3: this could have the propulsion and the cultural conversation back again, 811 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 3: because people are talking about the show again as we 812 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 3: head into that finale, because it's balancing this kind of 813 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 3: emotional haft with these really crazy, soapy moments. But if 814 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 3: it doesn't hit, then it's gonna be Yeah, it's an 815 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 3: interesting It's going to be interesting to see where we land. 816 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 2: I agree, and we will see if they truly do 817 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 2: have a plan. You know, the creators have been saying 818 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 2: essentially that they have a concept for where it's going. 819 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: In five seasons. 820 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we will see. I'm interested as well. I 821 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 2: think that there have been some standout moments in this season. 822 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 2: Is it enough to overcome some of the chaos. We'll 823 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 2: see up next some other shows that we must talk about. 824 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 2: Then this is interesting because okay, so Paradise is a 825 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,919 Speaker 2: show that many people were suggesting we watch. Many people 826 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 2: why discord. It is a show that had its like 827 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 2: pilot premiere on ABC, but then it moved to who 828 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 2: you know. It's this kind of like big promo push 829 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 2: to get people watch it. A lot of good word 830 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 2: of mouth through hula. I mean, the show is the 831 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 2: setup is almost comical. To say it out loud, you 832 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 2: can't explain it because it's because you're start laughing. 833 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta watch, but you gotta watch it. You 834 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 3: even if you're just gonna watch the first episode, you 835 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 3: gotta watch. 836 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:32,760 Speaker 2: Like imagine, I imagine scandal with a crazy sci fi twist. 837 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 3: It's like that, you know the funny It sounds like 838 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 3: a show that somebody would pitch in the studio, right, 839 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 3: nobody would make, but it is. 840 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: Become one of the most beloved shows. 841 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 2: Really well done. 842 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was executed very serious unled by Starling K. Brown. 843 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: James Marsden's in this show. 844 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 3: Like also feels like you're watching Lost, feels like that 845 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 3: big wark. 846 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,959 Speaker 2: It's that kind of air. It's I Lost type show 847 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 2: and a mystery box show in the mystery Box is wonderful. 848 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 2: They give you a lot of the mystery upfront about 849 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 2: like with this wonderful twist that I won't spoil because 850 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 2: part of the reason we're talking about this show is 851 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 2: not just that it was great, but that it is 852 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 2: apparently garnered so much praise and positive word of mouth 853 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 2: that it is now graduating to network and will in 854 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 2: very short order be debuting season one on ABC. So 855 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,839 Speaker 2: this is that's interesting to me because we usually see 856 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 2: it go the other way, where you go from network 857 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 2: to streaming. 858 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 3: Because you want to push people to pay for streaming 859 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,760 Speaker 3: to work the rest of the show. 860 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 2: Don't very often see a show graduate in the reverse 861 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 2: from streaming to network. So very interesting to see how 862 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,280 Speaker 2: this performs and again, fun fun show. 863 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 3: I would love to see what happens with this because, 864 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 3: as everyone who listens to the show notes, I love 865 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 3: line a TV. I have an antap I watch I 866 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 3: watch broadcasts constantly. I think it's great and I would 867 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 3: love to see Linear make a comeback for shows like 868 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 3: this because there are people who do not have streaming, 869 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 3: there are people who watch TV like this, and I 870 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 3: think that it's a fun show for that to kind 871 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 3: of inspire that conversation. And I think as well, it 872 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 3: does represent that while niche tige and stressedge, tv era 873 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 3: is leaning more into these small ideas, on a broadcast 874 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 3: platform or with the concept of a broader audience, you 875 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 3: can pitch these kind of wild, big swing ideas and 876 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 3: that they may may break through like that. 877 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm interested to see. 878 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 3: I think if Paradise does well when they reshow, it 879 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 3: is a good likelihood that they will put it onto 880 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 3: ABC as for season two, which has already been approved. 881 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 1: Also, yeah, I mean they did this with Swamp Thing. 882 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 3: It didn't save swamp Thing for me, but it was 883 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 3: during the strikes when they didn't have anything to play. 884 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 3: It was during COVID and the strikes when they didn't 885 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 3: have anything to play, and it was great to see 886 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 3: that on a big screen and to see it get 887 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 3: a million views. So yeah, I hope that a successful 888 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 3: show like this could set up a great like return 889 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 3: to linear and broadcast. 890 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about other shows. 891 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,839 Speaker 3: In this era that don't necessarily fit into what we're 892 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 3: talking about, but definitely those broader audience shows. Just quickly 893 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 3: before we end this very fun look at what is 894 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 3: this era of TV? 895 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,399 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think there's a lot of talk 896 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 2: right now about how the second Trump era is going 897 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 2: to affect TV and entertainment. And one thing about television 898 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 2: and movies is they're lagging indicators. The Pit is a 899 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 2: good example, you know, or Dope Thieves, where you're seeing 900 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 2: shows set in COVID dealing with COVID despite the fact 901 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 2: that we're now several years past the COVID era, the 902 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 2: past when COVID was happening. And I think Taylor Sheridan, 903 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 2: the Taylor Sharon verse is I will be interested to 904 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,799 Speaker 2: see if we see more television like Landman, like lion Ass, 905 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 2: like Yellow the Yellowstone, like nineteen twenty, like his whole 906 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 2: fucking oove. He's kind of planted the flag for this 907 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 2: kind of you know, this like red state television movement, 908 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 2: and then be interesting to see if we see more 909 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 2: like that. I just want to say of Landman having 910 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 2: watched land Man insane. I you know, listen, I think 911 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 2: anybody interested in TV, you can't. You have to when 912 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,839 Speaker 2: something's happened to watch, you have to watch it. I'll 913 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 2: say this, I think that he is a talented guy, 914 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 2: and I think he does conflict very well. I think 915 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 2: that Landman is one of the most unhinged and insane 916 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 2: shows I've ever seen. 917 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the most insane shows. 918 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 2: It leaves you wondering if Taylor has ever spoken to 919 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 2: a woman. 920 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, or like a normal human being. Honestly, Also, I 921 00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 1: will say I do think. 922 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 3: That Landman and all of his projects, even though I will, 923 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 3: you know, admit that, you know, he does have a 924 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 3: lot more money or is getting a lot more investment 925 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 3: than this person did early on in their career that 926 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,760 Speaker 3: began with stage shows. But he, I mean, Taylor Tyler 927 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 3: Sheridan is very much giving like White Tyler Perry like 928 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 3: he writes all of his young stuff. 929 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't have showrunners, he doesn't have editors. He's doing fifty. 930 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 3: Shows at the same time, and all of them are 931 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 3: absolutely unhinged. Once you get past, you know, a first 932 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,240 Speaker 3: season where maybe somebody. 933 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 2: Let me give you some of the headlines on them. 934 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted some. 935 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,800 Speaker 2: Of the headlines of Landman. So Landman is about Tommy 936 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 2: Norris is Billy Bob Thornton, who is like a manager 937 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:52,520 Speaker 2: of oil Wells for this like second tier oil company, 938 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 2: not excellent, like the smaller quote unquote independent like type 939 00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,439 Speaker 2: oil company. And it's about his day to day work 940 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 2: in his life. There's really no arc to speak of. 941 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,959 Speaker 2: It's just like various things that happened to this guy. 942 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 2: Here's some of the things that happen in this show Landman. 943 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 2: His daughter, who is in the show is like still 944 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 2: in high school, like eighteen or something, comes and stays 945 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 2: with him and tells her father that she and her boyfriend, 946 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,800 Speaker 2: who she would like to sleep over at his house 947 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 2: with her. She and her boyfriend have a rule where 948 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 2: he can't come in her but he can come anywhere 949 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 2: he wants on her. Why she says this to her 950 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 2: father in the first episode of Landman. Also in Landman, 951 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 2: Demi mor is in Landman and one of our biggest 952 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,759 Speaker 2: stars and one of the biggest stars certainly of her 953 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 2: era and a person who's we're talking a lot about 954 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 2: because of the substance. Demi Moore her first appearance in 955 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,400 Speaker 2: Landman is from ninety feet away. She's in a swimming 956 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 2: pool and she yells at the camera high and that's it. 957 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 2: That's all you see of Demi Moore for like the 958 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 2: first four episodes of Fucking Landman. In Landman, Billy Bob 959 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,360 Speaker 2: Thornton gives two unhinged pro oil monologues. Yes to the 960 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,240 Speaker 2: character who is like the liberal woman who's a lawyer 961 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 2: but working for the right wing company and she has 962 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,200 Speaker 2: to have like these Oh my god, I never realized 963 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,280 Speaker 2: that about oil, like looks on her face as Billy 964 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 2: Bob gives her these oil speeches. Also in Landman, Billy 965 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 2: Bob Thornton cuts off his own pinky as a doctor 966 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 2: looks on. 967 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: Yes, this show is insane. 968 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 3: Okay. I have to say one of my favorite moments 969 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 3: that I've seen is that Andy Garcia comes and saves 970 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,799 Speaker 3: him from the Cottel and it's like incredible because why 971 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 3: is the cottel involved? Also when they just randomly ki oh, 972 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 3: spoilery life. You haven't had this, but like just randomly 973 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 3: like kill off John Ham, which felt like it was 974 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 3: not well. 975 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,280 Speaker 2: Because he's also like never interacting physically with He's only 976 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 2: at like this golf resort. Yeah, yeah, yeah, talking about 977 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 2: to villif Th Wharton, like he's never like physically interacting 978 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 2: with anybody. They only clearly only had him for one 979 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,800 Speaker 2: day at a golf resort. 980 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,880 Speaker 3: The one thing that I loved that I've seen the 981 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 3: clips of is like the uh the stripper at the retirement. 982 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,839 Speaker 1: Home, Like this is a show that you couldn't even 983 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,399 Speaker 1: believe was real, but it does. 984 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 2: It's an insane show, and one wonders if we see 985 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 2: more of this. 986 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was trying to he was trying to make 987 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 1: his own like Dallas. I think it's clearly and very much. 988 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,319 Speaker 2: You know, it's very much what it is, and I 989 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 2: do wonder you think, I do wonder how much of 990 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 2: it we see. 991 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:50,800 Speaker 1: I think something that's. 992 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 3: Really interesting is the version that Taylor Sheridan is doing 993 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,360 Speaker 3: this Red State like bombast. 994 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:56,799 Speaker 1: Like oil is good. 995 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,840 Speaker 3: Version is there, But I think the interesting thing is 996 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 3: like the liberal, let's say version of it, like is 997 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,760 Speaker 3: something like Running Point, a show that is like super 998 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 3: popular but very unchallenging, very just like women can do 999 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 3: this too, likely mostly inspired by Genie Buss, you know, 1000 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 3: and I will say, like they're lucky they got Kate 1001 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,759 Speaker 3: Hudson and the show is like very just kind of 1002 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,879 Speaker 3: fun and easy to watch and if you care about 1003 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 3: back from drama, but it's very second screen. But it's 1004 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,760 Speaker 3: also been a massive success for Netflix. And I also 1005 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 3: wonder how much of that continued second screen easy to 1006 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 3: watch unchallenging more of your classic sitcom style shows that 1007 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,640 Speaker 3: streamers are gonna do when they're not making these stress 1008 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 3: tege like super high concept stressful shows. 1009 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see where we go next basically in 1010 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:52,560 Speaker 1: this era. 1011 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 2: Well, this has been a fantastic, a fantastic conversation. Let's 1012 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 2: leave it with this, Rosie. What is the thing that 1013 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 2: you're watching that you would like to promote TV? Weird 1014 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 2: TV show that you're watching with somebody that other people should. 1015 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: Ooh, okay, this is a this is a good one. 1016 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 1: What have I been watching a lot of? 1017 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,560 Speaker 3: Man, I've been watching a lot of One Piece recently, 1018 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 3: So I guess I really want to if you really 1019 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 3: want to get into anime. 1020 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,560 Speaker 1: But that's hardly a I'd say. 1021 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,799 Speaker 3: That's hardly a low key kind of like an unpopular show, 1022 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 3: you know what I've I do watch a lot of 1023 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 3: old TV, so this was this is yeah, Okay, so 1024 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you guys what you should watch because 1025 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,320 Speaker 3: me and Joelle we recently released our Goofy episode Goofy 1026 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 3: Movie episode, and during that I was inspired to once 1027 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,880 Speaker 3: again revisit one of my favorite TV shows which is 1028 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,800 Speaker 3: available now in a way it has not been before, 1029 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,800 Speaker 3: which is called Arie Indiana. 1030 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,399 Speaker 1: Which was a kids X File esque show about a 1031 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,360 Speaker 1: guy called Marshall who moves to a new neighborhood where 1032 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,800 Speaker 1: everyone is like a weird kind of supernatural or s. 1033 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,680 Speaker 1: It's fiction esque character like there's an episode where all 1034 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,040 Speaker 1: the TopWare. 1035 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 3: Meetings that the moms are having, they reveal that actually 1036 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 3: the moms are like inside the top of Giant tupwar 1037 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 3: so they can stay young. And I think it is 1038 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,399 Speaker 3: one of the most underrated genre shows. I think it's 1039 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,000 Speaker 3: really really fun, and I think because of the rise 1040 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 3: of places like to be and you like freeb and stuff, 1041 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,840 Speaker 3: these shows are now like you didn't used to be 1042 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,040 Speaker 3: able to find in the Erie Indiana anywhere. I have 1043 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,000 Speaker 3: all of it on DVD along with all of Are 1044 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 3: You Afraid of the Dark Now. Erie Indiana is on Filo, Free, 1045 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,360 Speaker 3: Roku Channel, free cw app, Free Pluto TV, Free Plex free. 1046 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,440 Speaker 1: So we are in a blessed. 1047 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,719 Speaker 3: Age of being able to find essentially shows that were 1048 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 3: not archived before. 1049 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,120 Speaker 1: So that's mine. What's yours, Jason? 1050 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,719 Speaker 2: Mine is it's been ten years you've been waiting I 1051 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,840 Speaker 2: know all of us have been waiting with baited breath 1052 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 2: for a decade for the adaptation of the final book 1053 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,600 Speaker 2: in the wolf Hall trilogy. Hillary Mantel, have we not 1054 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,319 Speaker 2: talked about this? Well, right now you PBS subscribers, you 1055 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 2: as I am supporting our public broadcasting system, folks, it's here. 1056 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 2: It's airing now Series two, The Mirror in the Light, 1057 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:27,880 Speaker 2: the final book in the wolf Hall trilogy, the The 1058 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:34,680 Speaker 2: rocket Ship Rise and Heartbreaking Fall of Thomas Cromwell in 1059 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,240 Speaker 2: the Court of Henry the Eighth. It's happening now. It's 1060 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,160 Speaker 2: airing literally right now on The Mirror in the Light, 1061 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 2: and it's so fucking good if if you love politics 1062 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 2: and politic England. 1063 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,360 Speaker 3: At Christmas it was like the it was the release, 1064 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 3: which in England is the prime. 1065 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 2: It's literally very good. The costume and the show is 1066 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:57,640 Speaker 2: great as well. 1067 00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: The Mirror and the Light. 1068 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:04,359 Speaker 2: This the final season of wolf Hall. Watch it now 1069 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 2: on PBS, Folks. That's been our show. On the next 1070 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,719 Speaker 2: few episodes of X ray Vision, We're recapping Daredevil one 1071 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,080 Speaker 2: O eight on Thursday, We're recapping season one of the 1072 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 2: Last of Us in preparation for season two on Friday, 1073 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,440 Speaker 2: and of course we're back with news on Saturday. That's 1074 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 2: it for this episode, folks, Thanks for saying bye. X 1075 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 2: ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie Night 1076 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,160 Speaker 2: and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 1077 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,080 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joe Alminique and Aaron Kaufman. 1078 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abusafar. 1079 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,680 Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag. 1080 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 1081 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:46,880 Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 1082 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,440 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 1083 00:57:50,520 --> 00:58:01,080 Speaker 3: Heidi Our disc Callded moderate them